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Redskins QB Cousins starts better than in 2015 but still work to do to reach expectations

Oct 18, 2016, 10:56 AM EDT


It is well known that Kirk Cousins had two different 2015 seasons. In the first six games he was unsure and prone to turnovers. He finished strong in the last 10 games, turning around his personal performance and helping the team rally from a 2-4 start to the NFC East title.

At this point in 2016 the Redskins don’t need a rally to get into playoff contention; they are 4-2. But despite the record Cousins is not performing as well as expected. The Redskins have improved defensively and in the running game. There is a feeling that the Redskins could take a spot among the elite teams in the NFL if Cousins was playing as well as he did to finish last year.

A look at the numbers reveals that so far the Cousins of 2016 is somewhere in between the quarterback who was touch and go early last year and the one who came on strong at the end. Here are his per-game numbers for the last two seasons divided into three splits—the first six of 2015, his last 10 from last seasons, and the six games played so far this year (via Pro Football Reference).


(Note: percentages may look off due to rounding for clarity purposes)

You don’t need to have an advanced degree in football stats analysis to see that Cousins has not regressed all the way back to his shaky 2015 start but he did not continue to roll as well as he did to finish off last season.

The most glaring regression is in his completion percentage. The decline in that stat lowers both his yards per attempt and his passer rating. If he was completing in the upper 60’s or 70 percent of his passes like he did last year everything else would fall into place.

His completion percentage doesn’t seem to be suffering because he is throwing more deep passes. In fact, he has been remarkably consistent with 11.1 percent of his passes traveling 20 yards or more in the air this season compared to 11.2 percent of his throws this year (per Pro Football Focus).

It’s not like Cousins has to undergo another transformation in order to regain his late 2015 form. A few incompletions turned into completions per game would do the trick. The good thing for the Redskins is that they are performing well enough in other areas of the game to win despite the quarterback performing at less than his peak. The question is, will he be able to carry the team is they need him to?

  1. snyderisanidiot - Oct 18, 2016 at 11:32 AM

    Cousins may make some mistakes along the way but he is good enough to win some big games. I must admit it is difficult to picture Kirk Cousins hoisting the Lombardy trophy but he is good enough. I am happy with him. Compared to what we have had in the last 20 years I would say Cousins is pretty solid.
    He also has an upside, Kirk is very capable of going off. He can sling 350+ yards and 4TD’s. He has it in him. Getting out of him is another question. He is at the same time capable of slinging you 2 INT in the red-zone.
    I feel like the Redskins offense and Kirk Cousins will play well for the rest of the year.
    The offensive line is giving Kirk time to throw.
    What people should really talk about is the Redskins offensive line which has developed into a very very good squad. The Redskins have a solid offensive line and that is something we were not saying years ago. Long has been amazing. The Skins offense could be a playoff offense. If the defense can bend and not break we should be able to give anyone a run for their money….. well maybe not the Patriots……….
    We will see if the Skins make the playoffs. My first gut feeling tells me no only because the competition within the division is strong this year. Also, historically the Skins love to lose games like this Lions game coming up.
    I don’t think they will beat the Lions. Of course I did’nt think they would beat the Eagles either. Something tells me despite all the facts I do’nt think the Skins will win 2 more in a row and make it to 6 – 2
    This team does not feel like a 6 – 2 team. Remember Atlanta went something like 6 – 0 last year and finished
    8 – 8

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    • bangkokben - Oct 18, 2016 at 11:55 AM

      “He is at the same time capable of slinging you 2 INT in the red-zone.”

      Isn’t this just perception? Up until this season, he had zero interceptions there. This season he has two (Pittsburgh and Dallas). The Pittsburgh one would’ve been overturned if the game was close or if it happened earlier in the game.

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      • snyderisanidiot - Oct 18, 2016 at 12:25 PM

        It is probably perception. What I am trying to say is Kirk might be a little prone to making some mistakes. Especially in the mental game. When he does things like forgets to throw the ball away and takes a sack.
        Or takes a knee instead of spiking the ball. How he responds to the mental game is what is important with Kirk.
        Old nervous Kirk would have tanked that game after throwing that pick 6.
        Cousins showed he has some mental toughness against the Eagles. This show maturity. Kirk seems to be trending upwards at the moment. And football is also mental and not just physical talent. Thats why they take that one IQ test during the combine. And I think Kirk did really bad on that test.

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        • bangkokben - Oct 18, 2016 at 12:38 PM

          I have no idea what he did on the wonderlic but situational football is important. Eli would’ve spiked the ball in the same situation that Cousins found himself in last week — which is legal. Mark Brunell used to run out of bounds for a sack which used to steam my clams. That is an issue Kirk has to continue to improve in but it is how do you respond to these things and Kirk hasn’t always responded well to interceptions but he DID respond fine to the blunder in Philly and not getting points at the end of the half earlier in the season. It just seems that we as a fan base are selective in our memories about how Kirk responds to mistakes. I’d say he is 50/50 or better but we as a fan base seem be stuck in 2014 when he hung his head in the Giant game. First impressions are just that — first impressions. They don’t speak for reality. Reality is that the Redskins won the division in Philly after that kneel down and have won four games in row despite interceptions and leaving points on the field.

        • bangkokben - Oct 18, 2016 at 1:00 PM

          Cousins got a 33 on the Wonderlic which is tied for 10th along with Tom Brady and Marcus Mariota. The highest by far was Fitzpatrick, 48, and lowest by far is Tyrod Taylor, 15.

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 18, 2016 at 2:07 PM

          Yeah i was going to say that there’s absolutely zero correlation between doing well on the Wonderlick and playing well in the NFL. A lot of professionals have said it’s useless and questioned why we even still do it.

          There’s also a difference between folding under pressure and not being intelligent. You can train people to perform better under pressure. It’s been scientifically proven. The more experience Cousins gets, the less he should do stuff like that.

        • ET - Oct 18, 2016 at 2:58 PM

          I don’t think the Wonderlic is useless, but it’s just there to provide a baseline. Kirk and Colt (and Griffin, and a score of other QBs, for that matter) are smart people. No worries there. The baseline is merely a point of entry. The real question is: What will this QB do under duress, under the kind of gametime pressure that few humans experience? Will he continue to use his brain, or will he try to rely on instinct and athleticism? That particular test is situational, ever-changing and trial-by-fire.

          But Cousins is scoring better than ever while under pressure. The old Kirk didn’t shake off a pick six so easily. We’re watching a QB improve in the areas that Wonderlic can’t possibly quantify.

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 18, 2016 at 5:53 PM

          Yes that’s exactly correct. Actually, from what I understand, they really still only administer the Wonderlick because they have for so long and they like to compare old guys to new guys. If nothing else for tradition and to say someone did better than someone else.

          What does the broadjump really have to do with football? A deadlift would be much more useful than the bench press. But these guys have found a way to look at past results, try to find patterns of success, and then applied that today. It’s actually very interesting. But also they just like to compare what Aaron Rogers ran in the 40 compared to Carson Wentz. Or something like that. They’re not as bad as baseball but these guys change slowly.

          There have been extensive studies about Military and Law Enforcement training and how to help people react with a cool head in stressful situations. The more guys are exposed to stressful training the cooler their head during the real thing. The kinder and gentler the training the more likely people freeze, freak out, and end up with PTSD. The more live reps Cousins gets the better he should do in those types of situations. It’s a process.

  2. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Oct 18, 2016 at 11:57 AM

    The game before the London game effect is significant. And we’re on the road after a big divisional win. So Detroit is a tough spot for us.

    As for the game in Wembley against the Bengals, that’s a wildcard.

    Neither game is a must-win, but I think we need to win at least one to keep our playoff momentum going into the bye.

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    • bangkokben - Oct 18, 2016 at 12:05 PM

      I’m not so sure about this “game before London game” mojo. What is it exactly? Against the spread or outright? If it’s against the spread, who cares? If it’s outright, is there enough of a sample size? Historically, hasn’t it mostly been a bunch of chump teams playing there? Doesn’t Jacksonville play there every year? If so, wouldn’t that explain the poor record?

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      • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Oct 18, 2016 at 12:22 PM

        That’s a lot of questions, Mr.!

        Yes, it is significant, teams are 7-18-1 against the spread before playing in London.

        And the spread very much matters, that’s what helps adjust the talent level on the two teams so you can make an assessment of other factors on the result.

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        • bangkokben - Oct 18, 2016 at 12:27 PM

          It was a lot of questions. Sorry. Spread. Schmed. It matters if you’re betting or taking bets but it doesn’t affect the outcome of the game. So the books need to account for it perhaps better or they’re doing just fine as the public is on the wrong side. Take your pick. Do you think teams are saving themselves for the following week?

        • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Oct 18, 2016 at 12:35 PM

          I think the imminent need to travel overseas is a distraction.

        • bangkokben - Oct 18, 2016 at 1:07 PM

          Both the Giants and the Rams beat the spread last week. Giants won by four (-3) and the Rams lost by three (+3.5).

        • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Oct 18, 2016 at 2:24 PM

          I picked the Lions over the Rams in a weekly PickEm contest, but I only got a push because the spread was set at 3 there.

          As for the Giants, they were well on the way to losing that game to the Ravens when the Ravens lost their best pass rusher (Suggs) and best CB (Jimmy Smith). After that, Eli was able to connect with Beckham for 2 TDs.

          It’s not the only factor in the game, but what I see tells me it is one.

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 18, 2016 at 2:25 PM

          No he had a good point about the spread. It’s the same thing as a handicap in golf or bowling. It makes it so a really good player can compete with a bad player at it still be a fair match. Evens the playingfield. So the spread does matter here.

          And Jacksonville should have an advantage because they’ve done it so many times.

          That being said. I haven’t ever heard of this and don’t really know what you guys are talking about. But I think the travel does affect SOME teams. It’s not a big deal for the Jets to fly over there because the time to fly from NY to London is about the same as NY to Seattle. But for the Hawks to fly from Seattle to London they’re halfway circumnavigating the globe. I’ve made multiple flights like that in a 2 week period (Albuquerque to Hawaii and back. Alb to Virginia about a week later. Virginia to Okinawa 2 days later, back to Virginia 3 days later, to Manas a day or two later) and it takes a toll. But we’re an East coast team and I think there’s been enough teams who made the trip where Allen knows how to make the correct accommodations. I’m genuinely interested to see how our guys do over there.

  3. bangkokben - Oct 18, 2016 at 12:00 PM

    Cousins completion percentage would be 1.5% higher if the Redskins would’ve called runs every time they called fades. {147/221=66.5%} It would be nice to have that play work because it then makes it harder to defend you down there but as of now, take away the inside leverage and force a fade because it’s a complete wasted down.

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    • greed - Oct 18, 2016 at 1:23 PM

      FACTS ! Plus if he wouldve connected on the numerous deep passes he’s missed on, but the fades def killing his percentage, at this point however me personaly tired of stats , lets just win without the dumb mistakes

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      • bangkokben - Oct 18, 2016 at 1:33 PM

        I’ll take the dumb mistakes if we still win but it sure would be nice to watch the 4th Qtr with my feet up.

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  4. smotion55 - Oct 18, 2016 at 12:13 PM

    This team is starting to play like a team and Cousins making better in the moment decisions and extending plays + the O-Line playing with the same guys will be huge . Long getting better and staying on the field is the difference. If the line stays healthy cousins will get even better. He might even get to that magical 3 TD to 1 INT rate that I hope he gets to

    Teams are playing defense different this year against Kirk and I think he is getting used to the different looks. He is catching up and getting the other receivers more involved with Reed hurt and putting up 493 yards last week , very balanced attack is going to make Defenses have to study more. McVay should be very pleased with results lately and commended for a great job.

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    • bangkokben - Oct 18, 2016 at 12:19 PM

      Good point about Kirk possibly catching up on how defenses want to defend him. I noticed a graphic in last week’s game about how good Wentz was so far this year on 3rd downs and in the red zone (Cousins last year). Then no sooner did they put the graphic on, RJF sacks Wentz on a 3rd down where they rushed just three and dropped eight into coverage. Cousins is starting to see options when the defense drops eight.

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  5. renhoekk2 - Oct 18, 2016 at 12:45 PM

    I expect Cousins to quarterback the team to more wins than losses. I don’t care what the stats look like. Other parts of the team are supposed to help win the game. The defense and the running game are supposed to play well and contribute to winning, not be a liability. It’s strange that anyone would be of the opinion that Cousins didn’t play great but the defense and running game stepped up and helped get the win. They should be playing like that every week. If you are going to live and die with the performance of one player every game I wish you luck. I thought the post Ben put up yesterday showing the 2017 salaries of QB’s making around $20M next season really hit the point. If you start at QB and win more than you lose ( and sometimes not even that) the market pays $20M. You don’t have to put up top 10 stats to get paid.

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    • bangkokben - Oct 18, 2016 at 1:31 PM

      100% concur. If McCloughan and Cousins can’t get a deal done, Cousins will get paid the going rate (or higher) by another club. We can quibble all we want on what a fair rate is but that isn’t up to our wishes. At the same time we can quibble as to whether Cousins is at a certain standard of starter. This too is pointless since we’ve got ten more games. If you’re not convinced that Cousins is an NFL starter in this league, what is ten games going to do? How are these ten games going to differ from last year’s?

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      • greed - Oct 18, 2016 at 1:46 PM

        i think cousins – scott will come to agreement thats fair for both sides , think the skins just wanted to make sure kirk didnt fall flat on his face this year , if he leads team to another playoff berth its a done deal he wont break the bank but definitely get market value deal , if he pulls a flacco / JACKPOT !

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  6. redskins12thman - Oct 18, 2016 at 1:27 PM

    Rich, In the table you provide what do the attempts and completions represent (the numbers show seem a little off to me unless they represent averages on a per game basis during that period of games).

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    • bangkokben - Oct 18, 2016 at 1:36 PM


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    • Rich Tandler - Oct 18, 2016 at 1:38 PM

      As it says right above the table “these are his per-game numbers”

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  7. redskins12thman - Oct 18, 2016 at 1:30 PM

    This is great post. Cousins is doing better so far this year compared to his start last season. Hopefully he can continue this way when comparing the second half of last year compared to the second half of this year.

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  8. jonevans511 - Oct 18, 2016 at 1:33 PM

    I know this is a Cousins article but since he gets absolutely roasted on this site and others, I’d like to give a quick shout-out to Joe Barry. He has his faults and appears to be stubborn in certain situations, but he’s getting the most out of this unit right now and the deficiencies we’ve shown defensively aren’t always the DCs fault. Often times defense comes down to the one unblocked defender making a tackle with little or no immediate help. Much of Barry’s scheme relies on this concept, so if guys miss tackles in the open field or before the runner gets to the second level we’re in trouble. I’m not saying he’s a defensive genius or should be showered with praise, but after reading so much hate towards him I feel it’s only fair to tip my cap in favor of him and the D’s recent success. Also credit to the players themselves, who must have had a behind-the-scenes gut-check meeting to decide not to get pushed around as much defensively. They’re playing fast, mean, and aggressive despite the lack of turnovers the past couple weeks.

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    • snyderisanidiot - Oct 18, 2016 at 1:55 PM

      I like Joe Barry’s defense much better than I liked Jim Haz-no-Brains- Haslett’s defense.
      Things turn around fast in the NFL. 2 Weeks ago Joe was saying he not getting done and people are ready to fire him. I think Joe is OK. Sometimes, McVay on the other side of the ball annoys me more than Joe.

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      • jonevans511 - Oct 18, 2016 at 2:26 PM

        Completely agreed, not implying he’s going to set records with his defensive play-calling, but he’s got this group playing well finally and (from what it appears, won’t pretend to be an insider) the players respect him.

        As for McVay, I think I’ve got a like/hate relationship with him. Sometimes he’s the most boneheaded play caller on earth, going with=calls you and I both know are coming (2nd down run plays after 1st down, failed passing attempts; Never fails right? lol). I remember on Sunday we had the ball around our own 25 and got penalized making it 1st and 20 or so. I said out loud “DO NOT CALL A DRAW PLAY, IT WON’T WORK” and the guys next to me laughed….. until they called a draw play and got I think 2 yards max. You set yourself up for a longggg day executing offensively when you’re so predictable. But other times McVay seems to have the opposing defense in his sights and knows exactly how to exploit it, which shows some strengths in reading defenses on his part. I’m assuming Gruden has at least some say on the offensive plays during a given game, but regardless they need to show some more creativity/willingness to break the mold and confuse defenses.

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        • bangkokben - Oct 18, 2016 at 2:43 PM

          Which is why I had no problems with the deep ball calls in the wind in Baltimore — complete tendency aberration. Alas, they failed — but in execution. Open receivers.

        • snyderisanidiot - Oct 18, 2016 at 2:58 PM

          Many people do not know this but Mr. Sean McVay is in the running to become the youngest Head Coach in NFL history. Being a Redskins fan you would never know he is considered one of the smartest, youngest, and respected offensive wizards in the game. I have a love hate thing for McVay also. And For Gruden for that matter. Both are streaky coaches.
          For some reason I was reading that the players respect Sean. I dunno…

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 18, 2016 at 6:03 PM

          I see it. I think Gruden has a great offensive mind and McVay has learned well from him and is capable of his own twist. I think the world of Gruden as an OC and the same with McVay. I also think Gruden is just hitting his stride as a HC and we need to just trust the process.

          Some of the playcalling drives me nuts too. Mostly abandoning the run. But I also believe that Gruden was probably hired a little before he was ready and maybe McVay was too. But that they’re learning and it will click for them eventually.

    • snyderisanidiot - Oct 18, 2016 at 2:51 PM

      I am the furthest thing from a medical professional there is but If Cravens really took a concussion so bad it messed your eyes up that is pretty scary. I wonder if they should put him on IR.
      I would be worried about him taking another concussion this year. That would be bad to come back into play with glasses on and then get another concussion.
      No way I can see Cravens being the same player with glasses on??

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      • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 18, 2016 at 3:28 PM

        That’s what I was thinking. I want to see him on the field as bad as anyone else but how good is he to anyone, including himself, if we turn him into a vegetable. I think the article cited that Dale was going to take a year off due to his. If we put him on IR we could get him back for the playoffs. Even that could be too soon.

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      • Trey Gregory - Oct 18, 2016 at 4:24 PM

        I’m not a doctor (I know, you’re all shocked). But I did work in medicine for a little over a decade and saw a lot of patients with concussions. Some from injuries significantly worse than what Cravens was exposed to. And I personally never dealt with vision issues even after guys couldn’t walk anymore because they were concussed so bad. However, something about this has been bugging me. Cravens’ claim was too specific for him to just make up. And it clearly makes sense that vision could be affected from a brain injury.

        So I looked some stuff up. And there are a list of visual issues that can occur from a concussion. Maybe I never heard of them because they’re almost exclusively treated by the Optometrist/Ophthalmologist community.

        The good news is that they all seem to be treatable. And Sua is getting care from some of the best doctors in the nation so I’m sure they’re taking care of him. Here’s a link if you guys want to read

        One thing you guys should understand is that American medicine is extremely paranoid. Doctors are taught that even if something has a tiny chance of happening you should treat it like it will happen every time. That’s why you get loaded up on antibiotics even though you don’t have an infection. Just in case. It’s also why MRSA is a thing. So they could have given Sua glasses just as a precaution. They could have told him something about memory loss (not in his eyes but just forgetting things) and the potential for his eyes to have trouble tracking things and he got confused and told his snapchat followers that his eyes have lost the ability to remember how to track moving objects. I don’t know. But I do know a Marine EOD tech who has been blown up by gigantic bombs 6 times and suffered MASSIVE concussion 6 times from it. Significantly worse than the hit Cravens took. His memory was awful. He could barely talk because he would forget words and lose focus. The gait in his walk changed and he just generally seemed slower. But his eyes were fine. I didn’t know him while he was still concussed. So maybe they were giving him issues a week or two after but they were fine when I met him. I’m sure most guys here have had a concussion. You feel weird for a day or two then it heals and you’re better. I don’t expect it will be much different for Cravens. Anything is possible but I wouldn’t overreact right now.

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        • John - Oct 19, 2016 at 7:16 PM

          Cooley said Cravens post with the glasses was a youthful social media prank. Stupid move on his part.

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 20, 2016 at 1:54 AM

          Which is what I suspected and why I’ve been trying to tell people to relax. But they just keep repeating it. Hopefully Cravens doesn’t make up a GF who died if cancer next.

  9. troylok - Oct 18, 2016 at 3:04 PM

    I think Cousins’ biggest problem is has a tendency to lock into receivers. If a defender takes a peek at him, they know where the ball is going. Maybe McVay should use this simple trick: as part of the play have Cousins pivot to a receiver that is a decoy, count to two, and then pivot to the actual receiver. Next play don’t do that. Mix it up a little so defenses begin to understand that they can’t always bank on Cousins to throw it to the guy he is looking down. Also, roll him out a little more. It gives him a little more time to read the defense and it gives his receivers time to run those deeper routes.

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    • snyderisanidiot - Oct 18, 2016 at 3:45 PM

      I have a much more simple solution to the problem. Kirk Cousins add a visor to his helmet. Give him the Michael Vick look. hehe

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      • Trey Gregory - Oct 18, 2016 at 10:17 PM

        Boom! That’s a great idea! Problem solved.

        Or he could just stop staring down receivers. I mean, that’s like literally part of his job. The visor wouldn’t actually work because all I do is stare at the yellow face mask. Whatever direction it’s pointed in right after the snap is where the ball is going almost every time.

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  10. lezziemcdykerson - Oct 18, 2016 at 3:44 PM

    I agree Rich. We all agree that if Kirk comes to the table with the same demands and he keeps up this performance he should be shown the door or tagged right?

    He’s marginally better than bad Kirk was last year. Ok now we’ve all seen it for ourselves the A+ improvements and grading might hav been a little premature. I get it, division wins bring about that euphoria because they mean so much. I think what also wasm’t highlighted in this article was the early sacks that he took. I looked and I see that doesn’t really affect his rating but maybe it’s fair to say that rattled him a bit. Forced him to make bad throws, that may or may not have been picked off. That’s an issue that seems to have been fixed. His misreads have also improve in the last few weeks. Still some off target throws some timing issues w/e you want to chalk it up to. But I just think we’re in this weird spot where some of the fan base is holding onto the 119 passer rating Kirk while others question if this is his ceiling. Maybe ceiling is harsh but I can’t imagine our offense getting much better personnel wise. Doctson can heal up and we could get some better RBs but they’ve put together a better showing, the rbs that is, in the last few weeks. Still not 119 Kirk. So now I think it provides a little clarity into the divide between last 15 kirk and kirk SO FAR. Now if he picks it up and plays up to or even surpasses 119 Kirk then what do we do? Do we trust that this is hallmark and sign him or tag him again and make him prove it again? That’s like the only question I’ve been asking for weeks now but somehow it translated into “Kirk sucks rawr rawr” He doesn’t suck but compared to where he left off he’s dropped of substantially and you would think with familiarity within the offense this wouldn’t be an issue. Better play calling needed? Absolutely I think everybody is a little over this pass happ red zone crap, forcing it to Doctson or forcing it period. Kirk should just throw it out the end zone and let us rip apart the OC. Don’t compound the issue by throwing a pick. But again what do we do if he turns into or surpasses 119 Kirk?

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    • snyderisanidiot - Oct 18, 2016 at 4:03 PM

      We know what he have in Kirk. At his ceiling he can play like the old Rodgers, 350 yards 3 TD 0 INT
      And we know what bad Kirk can do. Usually, you get somewhere in the middle. He only plays like 119 Kirk for games at a time. No consistency like Tom Brady.

      At very most, Kirk is worth 18 mil a year and not a penny more. Paying him 16 mil a year like Jay Cutler is an insult. But he is not consistent enough to warrant 20 mil a year or more.
      That’s a fair deal for Kirk: 3 years, 54 Mil with 14.4 mil fully guaranteed. He is not exactly playing lights out so I would imagine his contract negotiations are going to be easing.

      I like Kirk. I just wonder if he could win a SuperBowl. Its not like the Redskins defense appears it going to be winning any championships any time soon.

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      • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 18, 2016 at 4:17 PM

        We also have this apparently:

        “And then you walk around after beating the Philadelphia Eagles — with a rookie quarterback by the way, because no matter how [good] Carson Wentz has looked, he’s still a rookie — but you walk around, and because you beat a rookie . . . you beat them in the nation’s capital on your home turf, 27-20, and you want to celebrate like you’re champions of something,” Smith went on. “This is why the Redskins are not winning: because of an attitude that’s asinine like that.” -Stephen A Smith.

        If anyone could upload this video on vimeo and shoot me a link I’d be forever grateful. Can’t watch youtube at work. Commies!

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        • snyderisanidiot - Oct 18, 2016 at 4:41 PM

          Stephen A Smith is also on my idiot list along with Snyder.

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 18, 2016 at 10:14 PM

          Stephen A. was talking to RJF and Baker. I’m actually a pretty big Stephen A. fan (for mostly entertainment purposes, not as a good source for football analysis) but that rant was ridiculous. He did it for exactly this reason. What we’re doing right here. We’re talking about him. He gets ratings, he gets clicks, his videos get shared, Chris Baker tweets him, he gets publicity, and he gets paid. He’s paid $10 mil a year to fire people up. It’s an act and a gimmick. He’s very good at it too. But you’re crazy if you think he and Skip believed everything they said on First Take. Kind of a huge coincidence that they can’t ever agree right? It’s scripted. Not anything that should be used as a gauge for how this team is doing. He’s gone on almost that identical rant about the Cowboys 1,000 times because they’re the most profitable sports franchise in the world, meaning they have a ton of fans to piss off, and he knows his phone will light up.

          I don’t blame Baker and RJF for being pumped after their best game all season. It was a little excessive, but good for them. They had a good game as a defensive unit and they’re supposed to be happy about it. It’s supposed to matter. A couple weeks ago Stephen A. was talking about Wentz like he was already in the hall of fame. But he’s just a rookie when he loses. Washington ran roughshot over s top 10 D but Wentz being a rookie is what matters. The NFC East has one of the highest winning % in the NFL (if not the highest) and looks like one of the best divisions right now but it’s relevant to say only one team had a winning record last year. There’s so many holes in what he said that I’m disappointed in him for saying it. He’s usually better than all that.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 18, 2016 at 10:19 PM

          He’s a NY guy right? Wonder what he had to say after the Giants game and then the subsequent wins? Quite Frankly we were one ill advised play away from being the leader in this division and the REIGNING NFCE champs so for him to say we’re losers… maybe he can look up NY’s numbers over the last 3-4 seasons.

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 19, 2016 at 3:17 AM

          I think he’s from NY and I know he roots for mostly NY teams. Especially the Knicks. I think he sort of roots for both the Giants and Jets just because they’re from NY but he’s a pretty outspoken Steelers fan. Which makes about zero sense.

          I usually listen to sports talk radio all day. But I’ve been listening less lately and when I do it’s been NFL radio because they actually talk about football and not gossip. I just couldn’t take one more word about the national anthem and people’s overreactions to their team after one bad game. So i haven’t listened to him in about a month. I have no idea what he’s said about the Giants. And now a I wish I would have after we beat them. Oh well.

          You’re right. We are one bonehead play away from being 5-1. But we’re also a couple bonehead plays away from being 2-4. So I understand people who are a little skeptical about this team. However, they’ve looked a little better each week. And I think if they keep playing like they did on Sunday then a lot of people are going to have to eat crow with what they said about this team in the preseason. Myself included. That was a big time performance. It wasn’t perfect but what I really loved was their passion and energy. Even when a 14 point lead evaporated in 2 min they still hung in there and showed some grit. That’s why I think they’re more dangerous than some people think.

          If you watched Greenbay on Sunday, they just didn’t look interested. They didn’t look like they wanted it. Carolina last year looked like a passionate and hungry team. This year they look like they’re just going through the motions. And Washington didn’t look too passionate in week 1 but they got it together and have played with more energy ever since. And it accumulated to them playing with a fury on Sunday. I loved it and I can’t understand how other people didn’t see the same thing. If Stephen A. actually watched that game and thought they played like bums who just happened to beat a rookie QB then he’s a lot more dense than I thought.

  11. lezziemcdykerson - Oct 18, 2016 at 6:22 PM

    ESPN article basically saying Niles dealing with some tough breaks because of his bad hands and injury but is still being a team player and key contributor. Leaving this here for Trey, just saying in the original context of the debate we were trying to debate whether Paul was expendable and what we could get for him. I don’t want to just rattle him off as inconsequential but he is worthy trade fodder in the sense that we could seemingly survive without him. Get a late round pick for him maybe one in this season on in the next. He really isn’t outperforming his original draft position so I think a 3rd-5th range on the high end and maybe a 5th and a ’18 6th on the low end?

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    • snyderisanidiot - Oct 18, 2016 at 7:16 PM

      Regardless of what Niles is doing Vernon Davis has been open. Vernon is open for business and has been all season. Earlier in the year Kirk missed him several times when he was uncovered for easy pitch and catch TD’s. His route running has been crisp and he is open. I hope they keep trying to get Vernon involved. I did not like the signing of Vernon Davis at the time, but now that I realize Jordan Reid is so injury prone Reid was bound to miss time and in turn Vernon could play a big role this year. Reid is one more concussion from being out for the year so I am very excited to see what Niles Paul and Vernon Davis can do. Hell, I wouldn’t mind seeing some 2 TE sets with Davis and Paul together.

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      • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 18, 2016 at 7:26 PM

        Just so funny that before the year started people were writing Davis off. Just over influenced by his low production forgetting that he had Kaep throwing him the ball switched teams then had Peyton Duck Dynasty Manning throwing to him the second half. I expected him to look better than Paul but not as a good as he has.

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      • Trey Gregory - Oct 18, 2016 at 10:03 PM

        Davis and Paul are on the field together with Reed all the time. They’ve been on the field together for a bunch of snaps in all 6 games. Paul is just mostly being used as a blocker in both the FB and TE role. He’s playing behind two of the better receiving TEs to ever play. Regardless of if Davis is his old self or not, clearly he’s still a good option and the coaches are using him.

        I’m a little disappointed Paul isn’t getting more chances as a receiver. Because he corrected his issue with drops and is really a very good option. But, he’s playing on the team with arguably the deepest receiving corps in the league. Half the starting TEs in the league may not get any targets behind Reed, Davis, Garçon, Crowder, DJax, and Thompson. Let alone if Doctson ever sees the field. It’s just the reality of playing for this team.

        Paul’s true value this year is as a team leader (he is a captain), ST, as a blocker, and as a great depth player. Reed and Davis could go down and we would still have a good receiving TE. His real future value depends on what happens this offseason. I think Garçon and DJax will both be gone. I’m not sure about Davis but I suspect he’s around at least another year. So our receiver depth takes a hit even though we still have Crowder, Reed, Doctson, and probably Davis. Paul suddenly becomes a lot more valuable. He can be split out and used exclusively as a WR if needed one due to injuries, is doing better at blocking than I would have thought, and is a good receiving TE. I hope they keep him around.

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