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Poll: Will the Redskins make the playoffs?

Oct 13, 2016, 9:30 AM EDT

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  1. metalman5150 - Oct 13, 2016 at 10:01 AM

    Would be great to make the playoffs, but before that can happen, the SKINS, collectively MUST preform better than have in the first five games.

    If Kirk can be THE guy that makes the right decisions, hits in receivers in stride and keep the chains moving, then I like our odds, even with a terrible run Def.

  2. redskins12thman - Oct 13, 2016 at 10:06 AM

    If they beat Eagles and Cowboys, the Redskins will make the playoffs. If the Redskins don’t beat the Eagles and Cowboys, then they won’t make the playoffs.

  3. smotion55 - Oct 13, 2016 at 10:12 AM

    I hope so but NO. Here is what will give then a chance.

    Kirk has to play like he did at the end of last year For the rest of the year , no more injuries, Rob Kelley goes for 100 yards a week for the rest of the year, and the defense gets better . It is playing better so maybe the most change is with the run game and Cuzin’s. he is playing like my spelling

    The Special teams unit is of playoff caliber, no real changes there.

  4. corleonemd - Oct 13, 2016 at 10:22 AM

    The team won’t all of a sudden get better. My only hope is that Rob Kelly is a better runner than Matt Jones. Defense is still below average and Kirk will not play like he did towards the second half of last season. Skins remain competitive, but miss playoffs.

    • Trey Gregory - Oct 13, 2016 at 2:38 PM

      It’s kind of funny that you said the team won’t suddenly get better then you referenced Cousins play last year. You know, where he all of the sudden got better and then the entire team got better all of the sudden. Right around this time of the year too.

      I’m not saying that will for sure happen again. But it has happened as recently as a season ago and now there’s no chance it happens again? We might be beat every team in the league but there isn’t a team out there we couldn’t hang with if Cousins returns to form.

  5. tonyv1995 - Oct 13, 2016 at 11:50 AM

    Yes they will. They have not played to their full potential and they are 3-2. It is only a matter of time before Kirk goes off. I believe our defense will continue to get better as the season progresses.

  6. sidepull - Oct 13, 2016 at 11:58 AM

    Philly and Dallas have to falter.
    Redskins need to beat them.

    I did not see at the commencement of the NFL season the rise of Prescott and Wentz and the mediocre play of Cuz. Given that, if things do not change, Redskins finish 3rd or 4th in the East. I truthfully did not expect much this year given the schedule, and thought I would be happy to see them improve and be more of a serious contender in 1 or 2 years. If they continue to trend up and get in the playoffs again this year it is all gravy. I know that it is a team effort, players and coaches together, but Cuz has to step up. He leaves too many points on the filed and not on the scoreboard. They need those points to make the playoffs. Missed and wasted opportunities do make the games exciting. I thought the last game would give me a heart attack.

    Would you take Prescott or Wentz over Cuz right now? I say no. I have seen both sides of Cousins and not enough of the other two. If I had to pick one of the two opposing QB’s I would go with Wentz. Does anybody else get a feeling that the Prescott / Elliot combo eerily reminiscent of RG3 / Almo march to the NFCE championship?

    • Trey Gregory - Oct 13, 2016 at 2:49 PM

      I have thought of the RG3 comparison. But Dak looked like a pro QB day 1 a lot more than RG3 ever did. That’s why I don’t expect him to have a RG3 type downfall. Although it’s very likely he will stumble at some point. Dak has the benefit of an amazing Oline that gives him all day to throw. But he won’t forever. It’s hard to really judge him when he’s almost never under pressure. But he’s also being aloud to develop under those conditions so he may be ready for pressure by the time it comes. We shall see.

      I would take Wentz over Cousins and Dak in a heart beat. Not because I’m all wrapped up in what he’s done over 4 games. But because of his potential. The first thing I look at with a QB is if they’re even capable of being a pro QB. CAN they make all the throws and command an offense? I hate when people get too caught up in measurables but that’s a good place to start with a QB. Wentz is a big kid with a strong arm and he can make all the throws. Can’t say that about Cousins. We can teach these guys the rest and develop them if we can determine that they’re at least capable of doing the job. I think Wentz has proven he can.

      And I like Cousins. I want him to get a long-term deal despite his play this season. I believe in him and I believe he will develop into a good pro QB if someone stays patient with him. But Wentz has more upside and anyone who doesn’t see that has fan blinders on. I’m not saying Wentz will have a HOF career or whatever. I’m saying that he has every possible tool you could want. Now it’s up to the organization and him not to squander those tools. If I were calling the shots I would take him and make sure we developed him properly and he worked his butt off.

  7. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Oct 13, 2016 at 12:07 PM

    I think they will, but it depends on Kirk showing the QB he can be like he did in the 2nd half of last season.

    This Sunday is a great time to start.

  8. lezziemcdykerson - Oct 13, 2016 at 12:21 PM

    If there’s a stretch for Kirk to earn his money it starts here.

    • Trey Gregory - Oct 13, 2016 at 2:53 PM

      Cousins is going to have a career day. 500 yards, 5 TDs, no INTs, 30 rushing yards, 1 sack, and a 72% completion rate. New Paul will have 140 yards, zero dropped passes, and 3 of those TDs. McCloughan will give Cousins a 5 year 160 million dollar contract right after the game and Paul will forever be known as the best TE to ever play in Washington from here on.

      (I’m just having a little fun here people. Please don’t go crazy on me.)

      • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 13, 2016 at 3:31 PM

        a LOT of fun. I smell a break out game for Kelly and Preston Smith tho

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 13, 2016 at 4:01 PM

          That would be great. And a lot more realistic than mine. Although mine would be a lot more fun to experience in real life. Cousins only has 500 yard 5 TD games from here to the next 10 years. It would be a lot of fun to be a Redskins fan if that ever came true.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 13, 2016 at 4:16 PM

          It would be but it looks like Kirk would rather throw picks now. Settle for 300 3 TD’s and a pair of running TDs. A takeaway or two would be nice too. Just want to see the defense build off of last week. I wish Sunday was here already.

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 13, 2016 at 4:34 PM

          300 yards, 3 TDs, and no picks sounds pretty good to me.

          But in all seriousness I hope the running game really does get going. Be in Jones, Kelley, Thompson, or anyone else (trick handoff to Paul on the goal line when he’s at FB?). I genuinely believe Cousins would play better if we took some things off his plate with the run. I’m not sure if he’s going to hit his groove if we don’t ask him to do less first. Less passing overall but also get the run game going for play action, to soften the defense, and get more manageable 3rd downs.

          He hasn’t been playing great. There’s. I debate about that. But I don’t know how many QBs would do much better under the circumstances. Everyone is all hyped on Dak but imagine Cousins with that run game and that protection. Then imagine Dak on our team with no run game, good-but-not-great protection, and where he has to throw twice as many passes a game. The responsibility is on Cousins to play better but I don’t think we’re doing him any favors the way we’ve called plays so far.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 13, 2016 at 5:31 PM

          “I don’t know how many QBs would do much better under the circumstances.”

          Cousins wants to get paid like the few that can though. See the dilemma? Your play determine your pay. I mean I know they’re in a union and all but sheesh seniority only gets you minimal raises in most locals.

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 14, 2016 at 1:33 AM

          Yeah of course. But can you blame him for wanting to maximize his value? I guess I was trying to come back to reality about with that statement. Instead of waiting for Cousins to turn into Aaron Rogers I was saying let’s start treating him more like Andy Dalton. Make the game play you would make if you had he 16th best QB in the league. If Gruden was in a focus group answering that question without specific names I’ll bet he would say to simplify the playbook, run on about 55% of the plays, work in a lot of easy passes, take away some of the thinking at the LOS, slow down the pace, try to manufacture long drives, and try to play stiff D. Then maybe in the process he surprises us again and starts playing like an elite QB. But in the meantime, maybe we should treat him like he’s playing.

          I don’t know that I’ll ever be convinced that Cousins can’t be a good game manager type QB. Good enough to win a SB if he was on the Vikings right now. But I guess he could surprise me in a bad way too. I like him and believe in him but I don’t see why we’re going out there expecting him to throw it 50 times and complete 70% of his passes with no INTs and great Redzone effiency if he hasn’t done it so far this season.

          I think they held him back last year and protected him from himself. And I think it worked. Now they’re trying to take the next step when the previous step worked. I don’t know man. Forget all the money talk for a second. That will work itself out after the SB. I just can’t really figure out what we’re doing in the meantime. It’s like we’re a 15-year-old kid with a 2002 Dodge Neon who watched Fast and Furious and now wants to race aonhe throws a spoiler on the car, tries to race a corvette, and expects to win. That’s not what that car was made for.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 14, 2016 at 2:17 AM

          You know what I had a whole thing typed up but ima just say this:

          Did you see Andy Dalton this weekend? Have you seen him in the playoffs? Have you seen the defense he has vs the one we have? OK looks like we already have an Andy Dalton. Maybe a lesser Dalton cause Kirk won’t even help our D out. Point is I don’t want a Dalton. I don’t think Cincy wants him either that’s why his contract was 400% incentive. Kirk being the Dalton he is said ima get this guaranteed money AMD no trey I ain’t mad at him. Get your money. I would be !ad if the team forked over Luck money for a Dalton. A leaser Dalton. A Keapatanneler. SO FAR SO FAR*

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 14, 2016 at 2:41 AM

          I can’t tell if you like Andy or not and if you think Cinci has a good D or not.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 14, 2016 at 3:11 AM

          I wonder what Cincy’s D what have done with a winner rather a game manager. I want to see what our offense can do with a winner not a game manager. Still have to figure out the WR situation. Grant Ross and the other slew I can’t name aren’t even seeing the field doctson should be fine but our WR situation is also tentative. 10 picks in the draft so far.

        • bangkokben - Oct 13, 2016 at 6:29 PM

          “He’s got to come down off that number.” What number? What source?

          Dude, educate yourself or quit yapping. Your tiresome misinformation is akin to this political season. Do you even know what the going rate is? He is currently 13th in average per year (APY) — with just a one year deal. Do you know who is 14th, 15th, and 16th? Tannehill, Kaepernick, and Cutler. Child please! Cousins can continue to play at this level all year and end up getting paid well. Mike or Kyle Shanahan — if they can land a head coaching gig — will be happy to pay the going rate. Cousins at his current trend can “back into” free agency and make more than Redskins were offering him last year in guaranteed money. C’mon man. Let it play out.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 13, 2016 at 7:12 PM

          Dude, I love you people and your Dudes.

          Where do I begin with this stream of consciousness random babble of questions. Let’s address them 1 by 1

          1. I’m going to need you to educate yourself and quit your random comments then disappearing. Our last few conversations were you asking random questions only to be shown they have no merit in the conversation. More on this later.

          2. For one, I’m not sure why you’re bringing up Tannehill, Kaep and Cutler. Those contracts ARE JOKES! AND THE PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHY I SHOULDN’T HAVE EVEN DIGNIFIED THIS WITH A RESPONSE! Are you kidding me you sock chewer? You have to be drunk! You think those teams are happy with those contracts?!?!?! I mean Tannehill maybe, he was on an expiring contract and they at least had seen the guy play since his rookie season. We’ve seen Kirk play for how long and we know what about his game? We’re in no better a position than we were last year in our assessment of Kirk WHICH IS WHY WE SHOULDN’T MAKE BONEHEAD CHICAGO/SAN FRAN (though this was understandable in hindsight but considering Kaep is just now getting his first start LIKELY BECAUSE HIS CAP NUMBER IS TOO HIGH TO BE SITTING ON THE BENCH)/COWBOYS decision. Y’all are so damn thirsty for Kirk it’s not even funny. What is funny is how you couldn’t even muster a response after saying “all kirks picks wont be clutch” and then he threw one out of his end zone. You clearly can spot trends and should be paid for your commentary kokhead. LMAO

          3. you asked for sources so don’t cry now this will get lengthy source one in regards to Cousin’s inconsistencies. Since I must’ve made it up. via Keim “Via John Keim:
          “I’m not sure we’re any clearer on Cousins’ future than we were before this season started. He has been up and down in 2016, with five interceptions in five starts despite throwing just 22.4 percent of his passes 10 or more yards downfield, the lowest percentage of any regular starter in football. In one game alone, a cursory tape analysis saw Cousins leave three long touchdown passes on the field with bad throws. And yet Cousins has also had stretches in which he has played at a relatively high level. His QBR of 59.6 is a step below last year’s 74.5 mark, but it’s still good enough for 18th in the league.”

          4. Source two in regard to how much Kirk is getting paid: Also via Keim

          “Last year, the move that made sense for all parties was for Washington to franchise Cousins, which it did. This offseason, GM Scot McCloughan will have to make a tougher call. Franchising Cousins would cost Washington $24 million on a one-year deal, which would give him the third-highest cap hit in football behind Romo and Joe Flacco. It’s not off the table entirely, but that would be an inefficient use of resources. More likely, McCloughan will want to go ahead with Cousins as his quarterback on a multiyear deal or find a new passer.”

          A multi year deal would decrease the initial hit, it won’t be all guarantees but when you factor in his signing bonus, guarantee money and base how much of a difference are we talking from tag to APY based on what Kirk wanted? And what Kirk wanted likely looked more like Luck’s deal than Brock’s. Hm?

          5. Oh what was Kirk asking for? What number? Well we all know what was offered and what was reportedly his demands but if you forgot here’s the CSNMA story on it
          So either the other writers and I are having simultaneous aneurysms or you are just a wee bit emotional at watever time it is in kokland. I’d rather tag him and on a pay as you go plan than be married to this guy.

          You know what Ima calm down. You are clearly off your rocker. You jump in my replies asking me “well what about these guys?” U,, what are there records again? Those guys are the perfect example of why you don’t marry QB’s on potential but on what they’ve shown you. I wouldn’t have paid Jay even though he had been decent that time, they let other players walk because of it and now look at the Bears. Look at any of those teams records. Hell the Texans might still be looking for a QB and they gave Osweiler what I would like to have given Kirk, based on his sample size last year. Based on this year I wouldn’t give him anything but the tag, he has’nt earned a deal. C’mon man. Don’t be so narrow minded. Let it play out before you pay him. You and Trey signed that check back in March and are still PRAYING Kirk turns it around so you can say you knew all along. Thing is WE DONT KNOW so why invest in a portfolio you know nothing about?

        • bangkokben - Oct 13, 2016 at 7:53 PM

          Well done at responding to yourself days later and expecting me to hear ya’, bra’. It turns out I was wrong when I wrote: “ALL of his interceptions this year will be crucial.” The Mosely interception was not. Thank you, C.J.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 13, 2016 at 7:58 PM

          I didn’t know I had two accounts. I was waiting Kirk to prove me right. Which he did. We got lucky on that play if you want to pat yourself on the back go ahead. It’s what I’d expect from you “You can’t see he’s playing great?!?!?!” delusional fans anyway.

        • bangkokben - Oct 13, 2016 at 8:03 PM

          Man, look at all my stuff this season. I’m not happy with Cousins. I have blamed him for the record. Good night. Pleasant dreams. Keep it real. And Chad Johnson says Child please.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 13, 2016 at 8:14 PM

          I’m not looking at anything. You just queened out in my replies and now you’re all tuckered out. It’s ok I hate when people prove me wrong too. That’s why I’d rather see what old Kirk can do before calling anyone who doesn’t want to tender a deal to him crazy. Night night. Dont let the koks bite.

        • bangkokben - Oct 13, 2016 at 8:54 PM

          Nobody is tendering a deal ’til February — not Washington and not any other team until March. Keep it up all the way if you must. Just like your need to bite kok. (Whatever that means?) I’m sure you know.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 13, 2016 at 9:17 PM

          Yeah and I’m sure when march rolls around you’ll be back on kirks kok. Banging your we might as well pay him logic into the input fields. Funny how this started as me saying kirk isn’t getting that number. You go “what number? Do you know about these other terrible contracts?” I provide the number and point out those contracts were terrible. Now you’re saying oh that number yeah he’s not getting that. He’s not on a mission for that. Let’s wait til Feb?” I love how condescension works. Let’s just all agree Kirk got lofty in his demands and the skins were right to tag him. This season has proven his demands were unreasonable. So he’ll have to what? Come down off that number or walk if he doesn’t improve. That’s the point. Aren’t you supposed to be sleep or something. Don’t lose sleep because of me. I’m not worth it.

        • bangkokben - Oct 13, 2016 at 9:59 PM

          Look, you don’t get it. You’ve never understood it and you keep MISPRESENTING others’ arguments because you’re too thick (not in the right places, btw). The argument before the deadline was to pay Cousins a contract with APY money around the top half of the league average about $19-20M with enough guaranteed $ to cover the two years of franchise tags. This was explained in detail multiple times before, during, and after the franchising and it wouldn’t have bust the team. I don’t remember anyone suggesting paying $22M APY at any time. IN FACT, the argument to pay him sooner was so that wouldn’t be necessary next year provided Cousins had/has a good year. We agree those contracts previously mentioned with other players are not good BUT THEY are the average for a starting QB not on his rookie deal. So that’s the market Sherlock. The team chose to let this season play out. RIGHT NOW, that looks like the smart move. Good for you, so far you look like you had this one right — SO FAR. However, even if Cousins plays at this level some team will pay him. It wouldn’t likely be Washington but some team will pay him — not $22M APY but average starting QB money.

          Why is this so hard for you to comprehend?

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 13, 2016 at 10:22 PM

          Ok and here’s what you’re not getting because you can’t read or just reject facts when presented.

          “I don’t remember anyone suggesting paying $22M APY at any time.” -Kok

          “It was reported by multiple sources that Cousins was looking for a contract based the $20 million he would get on the franchise tag this year and the $24 million the Redskins would have to pay him if they tagged him again in 2017. ”

          This is where the avg of 22M came from. Sources, multiple. Not McDykerson, Lezzie. That number which I’m going by the reports not the inside intel you have. That number was never going to happen in my eyes. Not on that small of a sample size. 16 games + the other stints where he’s looked good and then gotten himself benched.

          “We agree those contracts previously mentioned with other players are not good BUT THEY are the average for a starting QB not on his rookie deal.”

          We never agreed on it. You condescended to me like this as a valid point and then when I pointed out it had no merit in this exchange you abandoned it altogether. Now that you’re saying we agree, good boy! Now as far as them being avg deals, fine I take your word for it. He’s playing like a Kaeppatanneler so fine, pay him like one. But just remember that was my point. He needs to come down to Earth with his demands based on what he’s done thus far.

          “The team chose to let this season play out. RIGHT NOW, that looks like the smart move. Good for you, so far you look like you had this one right — SO FAR. ”
          Ummmm I like that you put so far in all caps because that’s basically what I said all this offseason. Kirk has been good in 7 games SO FAR. Even if Kirk plays lights out for the rest of this season the MADTV guy will probably still have some apprehension about paying him his original demands, if he stuck to them, because of the inconsistent play that began the year. I asked for like three weeks straight “What if this is just Kirk’s hallmark? A slow start and then catch fire at the end… Do we cave to his demands or make him do it again?” QB is too important a position to just throw money at the guy because he’s looked better than what we’ve had. How many QBs have been drafted since this Kirk evaluation began that have better stats than him this year? What if we go back to the RGIII experiment? How many QBs have we missed out on while trying to figure out if we have the right one? You can SO FAR SO FAR all you want. Marrying a QB and dragging your feet on an evaluation are damn near one in the same. I understand wanting to be prudent but at some point you have to move on. If Kirk continues we need to move on not pay him just cause he might get better which was the reasoning in rushing to pay him right? Pay him before he blows the lid off the offense and his demands get too crazy. Yeah.. some plan that would’ve been. Did you not see these boards after the Steelers and Cowboy’s losses? Imagine if we had actually tendered that deal.

          Why is this so hard to comprehend?

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 13, 2016 at 10:34 PM

          And for the record, and this is to all of you, it’s less about me being right and more about the TEAM making the right decision. My opinion is mine alone but I only want what’s best for the team. I’m not saying this on some “I know what they’re going to do” type of stance. More of a “this is what I hope they do” because I don’t want my beloved Skins falling behind because we threw money at a guy that hadn’t proven his worth. So while the fact that I’ve been right and continue to hammer home this is why we wait, it’s not done in an “I told you so” fashion more of a “whewwww glad we dodged that bullet” way. You guys seem to get more caught up in the fact that I was right and you were wrong over the fact that this was the right TEAM decision. We are all on the same team so I’m trying to understand where all this chest puffery came from? Weirdos.

        • bangkokben - Oct 13, 2016 at 11:44 PM

          Cool. Like I said, you’re a rock star — unless you don’t like rock fill in your word.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 14, 2016 at 1:30 AM

          Must be the way you follow me. Please not autographs. My girl thinks I’m cheating I gotta go now. 😂🙌

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 13, 2016 at 7:37 PM

          This is an oldie but goodie. Prophetic almost.

          😂😂😂 we gotta stop this kok-a-maney

        • bangkokben - Oct 13, 2016 at 7:49 PM

          You’re a rock star!

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 13, 2016 at 7:58 PM

          I bang c0(k in bangkok think not?

        • John - Oct 14, 2016 at 3:00 PM

          Enough crying about Kirk. Star QBs like Rogers, Brady, etc., are few and far between. We’re not getting one anytime in the near future. Let’s hope the defense improves and they figure out how to run the ball. Kirk is facing better defenses this year. The team has been effective between the 20’s. People are so spoiled due to the high rate of success in the red zone and 3rd downs last year..Kirk will eventually get in a zone. He is not the turnover machine folks make him out to be.

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 14, 2016 at 3:18 PM

          That’s kind of how I feel. I get all the different arguments. I’m just saying that we may not find anyone better if we let him go. It could be 10 years before we find a guy even as good as Cousins. Everyone wants a Brady or Rogers. But those guys don’t come around that often. So I want to keep looking for our Brady. But I also want to hedge my bet. I want Cousins locked up so we can take our time and find the right guy instead of make a panick move after two losing seasons without a QB.

          QB stability is worth a lot. Stability holds an organization together and allows us to keep building. So people may think we’re overpaying Cousins for his performance. But that’s not the only thing we would be paying for. It would be time, stability, hopefully a stable locker room, continuity of staff, a reason not to reach in the draft, and the ability to develop the next guy instead of start him too soon. That’s worth a lot. That’s the argument. It’s what Cousins is worth despite not playing at an elite level. It’s not just about performance.

          And people will disagree. That’s fine. Just know that you’re rolling the dice that we will find a new QB. Two decades could go by before we find our Brady. Just keep that in mind.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 14, 2016 at 3:34 PM

          So by crying you mean how you just said he’s in a tier well below those QB’s and thus far has not proven that he deserves to be paid like them? I think people are more salty than spoiled seeing other franchises get their crack at the next wave of possible “Brady’s and Rodgers etcs” Wilson, Luck, Prescott, Carr, Wentz and maybe even the lesser tiers of Dalton, Siemian and Bridgewater. So it’s less about pay him just because he might be good some day and more let him walk if this is all he can show us. Stop wasting our time on projects, at least continue to draft Qb’s.

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 14, 2016 at 4:00 PM

          That is a valid argument Lezzie. It’s one way of doing it and there’s nothing wrong with it. But like all of these plans there’s pros and cons. The cons of that play are 1) we don’t know how long it will take to find the next guy. 2) we don’t know how many draft picks we will waste trying to find him and how that will stunt the development of the rest of the roster. 3) Even once we find the next guy we don’t know how long until he’s actually ready to compete and we could end up stunting his growth if we play him too soon because there’s not a viable alternative (ala RG3 vs. Aaron Rogers). 4) Draft picks are very expensive. You could argue a 1st is just as valuable as avliding a big contract because you’re getting a stud player at a discount. If you start throwing picks away trying to hit on QBs and aren’t successful then you have to fill those gaps in free agency. That cost money too. And you’re more likely to make a desperation reach (or trade) if you don’t have a QB at all than if you have the 18th best QB in the league.

          You’re plan is fine there’s just a lot of risk and unknowns involved all for the sake of saving probably $10 mil a year. Because you’re going to have to pay somebody to play QB. Unless you think McCoy and Sudfield can be the guys next season. Then we’re talking all this risk, possible instability and unknown for maybe $18-$20 mil a year. I would rather hedge my bet. If we can get Cousins for something like $18 mil a year with reasonable guarantees money I say do it.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 14, 2016 at 5:15 PM

          “1) we don’t know how long it will take to find the next guy. ”

          So instead we should’ve paid a stop gap a fortune this past off season? Because that wouldn’t hinder the team? Long term contracts tie up more resources than draft picks Trey. That’s why smart GMs build that way.

          “2) we don’t know how many draft picks we will waste trying to find him and how that will stunt the development of the rest of the roster.”

          So yesterday I gave you a clear example of why this is dangerous. Think Andy Dalton, great defense. Certainly built for a playoff run. Dalton has what 1 playoff win though right? Granted the D kind of sabotaged their run last year but in comparison what if they had a guy like any of the QB’s I named? Now our situation is different in Cinci in that Dalton played better than Kirk and was willing to take a team friendly deal. Now while their gamble on Dalton may have cost them a legitimate SB shot it, the deal itself didn’t hinder the team from getting better. They can continue to build around him and if they decide to move on they can plug another guy in without major drop off. From what Kirk has shown us if he got a deal I’d want it to be very team friendly.

          “3) Even once we find the next guy we don’t know how long until he’s actually ready to compete and we could end up stunting his growth if we play him too soon because there’s not a viable alternative (ala RG3 vs. Aaron Rogers).”

          I’m not sure how you find the guy but he’s not ready to start and compete. I also don’t know how that stunts the growth of the team. The picks we got with RG3 didn’t pan out because they weren’t very good. Off hand I’m thinking Rambo, Thomas, Amerson was a good pick but he didn’t want to play for us and Alfred kind of fell off but would still be an upgrade from Matt. Reed is a stud but beyond that Shanny just had a bad couple of years. Don’t know how much of that you can put on RGIII but think of how much stunting can take place if we would’ve paid Kirk that king’s ransom and still have to get better. Josh. DJax. Pierre. Crowder is coming up. The Reed extension. That’s where the money needs to go. Not to another project because look at your question, it can easily be applied to Kirks situation. When will he be ready? Is this preventing us from getting better? How do we get a fair assessment on the D if the O can’t help them out? Two way street.

          ” 4) Draft picks are very expensive. You could argue a 1st is just as valuable as avliding a big contract because you’re getting a stud player at a discount.”

          What round was Prescott taking? What round was Brissett? Carr we probably didn’t have a shot at and was kind of risky because it was our first post RGII trade pick but hell if we had rolled the dice and he fell to us no one would complain. The same way no one complained about Kirk being taken after RGIII in the same draft once we saw Kirk play. I get it would’ve cost us some picks that appear to be working out but there are LBs and CBs taken after the guys we picked that we could’ve let fall to us.

          Point is that 18-20 you’re talking about I’d like to see him in the 16-18 maybe 19 range. The thing is he’s getting paid 19 now and he’s not performing up to or outperforming that based on the guys in that range. He needs to come down to where he’s playing. Don’t over pay the guy cause it’s the best you can come up with.

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 15, 2016 at 2:16 AM

          Yeah I get the cons of my idea. I should have listed them too just to show I know it’s not perfect. The point is there is no right or wrong answer. There’s just different opinions about how to handle this. All of which could fail or succeed. I just like the idea of having at least an average guy around while we wait and find the right guy. Because you truly don’t know when you’ll find him. It could be after Cousins retires.

          For every Derrick Carr there’s a Blane Gabbert, Jake Locker, Brandon Weeden, Johnny Manziel, EJ Manuel, Geno Smith, RG3, and plenty more. The jury is still out on the current young crop too. I was saying it could hurt the team because throwing draft pick after draft pick at QBs who fail mean we’re not drafting other positions. Drafting Colt McCoy, Brandon Weeden, and Johnny Football absolutely stunned the Brown’s growth. It’s a risk. You could hit on the first try or be looking 15 years later.

          I don’t mind paying Cousins to hedge that bet. In the grand scheme of things 20 mil isn’t that much. You have to consider all the things you get with QB stability. And if you have, and still don’t want to, then we just disagree on how to handle it.

          I think the Walstreet Journal just published a study backing your point. You should try to find it to help shut people like me up. Except they said teams should give up on guys quicker and keep drafting. I say keep drafting but keep Cousins too. Don’t let a starting QB walk out the door. Nothing is stopping Cinci from playing AJ McCarron or Drafting another QB except Cinci.

          About missing draft picks being expensive. I meant in the money you’ll have to pay free agents to fill those holes. If we drafted Brice Petty instead of Preston Smith we probably would have had to buy and edge rusher that would cost a lot more than Smith’s rookie contract. 2 or 3 of those deals and you’re beyond Cousins’ hypothetical deal if you’re getting even mediocre players. So we agreed. I want to draft players to control the cap. But I don’t want to waste 5 picks on QBs is the point. I want to draft linemen and safties. We can afford to overpay a QB if we hit on our draft picks.

          Good QBs are hard to find and drafting them is more of a crap shoot than the NFL wants to admit. That’s why professionals (including Scot McCloughan) blow it every year. You want to throw caution to the wind, jump into the abyss head first, and hope for the best. I want to be a little more cautious and at least peak over the ledge first. And I don’t mind giving something up for that piece of mind. Neither of us are right or wrong. We just differ.

          And side note. Can we not act like there’s zero chance Cousins starts to play at a high level again and sustains it? I admit it’s not looking good but he could stink all year then play lights out for the next 10 years. He would hardly be the first guy to take longer to develop. I get you don’t want to pay him until he proves it. I’m just saying the guy could still have a hall of fame career. It’s not over.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 15, 2016 at 4:39 AM

          Except they said teams should give up on guys quicker and keep drafting. I say keep drafting but keep Cousins too.

          You say what Trey? I said the same thing Thursday
          “So it’s less about pay him just because he might be good some day and more let him walk if this is all he can show us. Stop wasting our time on projects, at least continue to draft Qb’s”

          Now to the premise of the argument. You wanting to stick with Kirk because he’s better than what we’ve had. If this is the case we can’t pay him that kind of money. I’m trying to brace you in case he slums it up the next three games then catches fire in the last four. Keep in mind much of you argument is hinging on a turn around that may or may not come around. Mine is based on what I’ve seen. Last year, inconsistent but ecusable due to Jay’s mishandling of the QB situation. This year, inexcusable. To the point we all thout the D was worth a damn because they kept picking Cousins off. Turns out, it’s not that hard AND he didn’t learn from it. Back in August. You wana bang your head against the wall with Kirk’s mistakes go ahead. I expected better from him this year but was not willing to put my money on him. He gambled and unless he turns it around IT BETTER cost him millions. If he comes back with staunch demands he can 86 himself.

          We’ll nitpick his games. Just remember that week 5 riding a 3 game win streak we were still iffy about him. The arguements we had back in the offseason have calmed largely due to the fact that you’ve kinda backed off him yourself. A few wees ago you were still “I’d pay him” but now, as a smart person, you’re starting to waiver a little and would like to see Kirk in what that original Brock range was. He rode that 7 game wave but in the end of the day it’s just 7 games. And for every game before that where he played well, because the defense game planned for someone else and he came in on short notice, there’s two games where he stunk. He’s too up and down back and forth for me. You guys are sold on promise I sold on what I see. Kirk was magical the last 7 games. M A G I C A L. but before that inconsistent, after that inconsistent. How many stretches of inconsistency do you need until you’re convinced?

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 15, 2016 at 2:22 AM

          Oh let’s also go back to that $18 mil number. Depending on the guarantees money, that could be doable. If we end up signing Cousins to a 5-year contract for $18 mil a year would you be happy? I would. Maybe that’s how we both win. Keep in mind the details of signing bonuses and guaranteed money could warp those numbers a bit. I’m just saying in general.

          I mean I would be happy if they signed him for $2 a year. I just don’t think he’s taking anything less than $18. But maybe.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 15, 2016 at 4:47 AM

          That’s all I’ve asked for! Are you serious?!?! The Redskins lowballed him which is why I feel like to a certain extent they fudged it but when I add up the tag for this year and next year vs what a three year 18M/yr w guarantees it’s not terribly far off. That’s why I’m willing to let him walk. Oh and you brought up Colt McCoy yes I believe he could run the offense. That’s why Scot invested the deal in him over Kirk. gGranted it was a hell of a lot less and Colt chose to come back, I still think if he had not injured himself he’d be starting now. If he’s not taking anything less than 19, because ok he’s already made that, and if he does marginally well he’ll expect to at least retain that, he can kick rocks. I’m not overthinking this. We have a stop gap, Colt. Kirk can stay on short money or kick rocks. Unless he is LIGHTS. OUT. I mean unflappable, laughs in the face of danger like Simba when his dad’s around.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 15, 2016 at 3:48 PM

          but not for five years.

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 15, 2016 at 4:38 PM

          One of the points it seems like you, Ben, and I have never been able to get on the same page about is length of contract. And how these contracts aren’t actually as long as they say they are. I know I’m about to say some stuff you already know. But I have to in order to make my point.

          Five year contracts don’t really exist in the NFL. There’s too high a risk of injury for a team to lock a player in that long. There’s usually a way out. But how bad it hurts to get out depends on how they structure it. The Ravens backloaded Flacco’s contract so that initially he had a small cap hit then it grew exponentially toward the end. That was probably a true 5 year deal and that’s why they reworked it. Everybody knew that contract would get reworked.

          I wanted to do the opposite with Cousins. Work it out so that most of his money comes in the first 2-3 years. Because two franchise tags are about $43 mil anyway right? So at least guarantee him that for the first two years plus some for year three. His cap would be very high. Highest year 1 then starts to decline. It would hurt but we’re in a rebuilding phase and aren’t quite ready to pounce. Once Scot loads up the roster with draft picks, then his cap goes down and we can sign some free agents to fill some holes if we need to.

          It also makes Cousins more cuttable after 2-3 years. If he works out then, great, we got him. If not then we cut him, take a dead cap hit of probably $8 mil for a year or two and then move on. That dead cap won’t matter if we don’t have a QB. Think of it as a QB insurance policy. The worst case scenerio is we have Kirk Cousins. It could be a lot worse. But we’re still free to draft another QB high and try to get him ready to take over.

          The point is that we wouldn’t be locked into the price for all 5 years. There’s ways around it. Just like how we cut Paea and Riley.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 15, 2016 at 4:54 PM

          I’m saying Kirk already had his 2 year exit ramp. Stop saying these are built into contracts and then get cold feet when it’s time to pull out. Long term contracts on unproven players are just a waste of resources. Cut him. Colt’s under contract. Invest in resigning players, draft and develop QB of the future. Say what you want about our chances in the draft.I like those better than our chances with Kirk running the offense. We should be putting up 30ppg. We don’t even know what our D looks like because Kirk wont help them out. Now you guys keep hoping for a turn around, obviously I want us to win. I don’t want us falling for fools gold. Colt and Kirk are the same friggin guy except Colt hasn’t thrown as many dagger picks for us and is much cheaper. You know how much I hate Romo and there’s alway this big debate over is he terrible or is he ggreat. He’s getting outperformed by a rookie right now is what he is. Did we see that with Tom? Even when Manning was struggling did we see that? When Luck went down was there any QB controversy? No, Romo is trash and Kirk is looking like him, inconsistent. SO FAR SO FAR.

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 15, 2016 at 4:41 PM

          But if we’ve all been arguing for 20,000 words over $2 mil then we’re all ridiculous. I didn’t WANT to give Cousins a huge deal. I just thought that’s what it would take. Kirk Cousins for $16 mil sounds great to me if Scot can swing it.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 15, 2016 at 5:00 PM

          Lol no you wanted to pay him that money. You said it wasn’t a big deal that’s the going rate and he’s going to be more expensive next year. Pay him now he’s the best we’ve had in a long time. Kirk wouldn’t take the 16M I doubt he will now being as though he just made 19. He didn’t perform 19 numbers. I say we tag him ASAP when the season is over but not exclusively. If he gets a better offer, let him walk and take the two first rounders. That idea is growing on me more and more. If he comes in, now with 3 full seasons and still looks like first half Kirk there won’t even be a market for him his number would reflect his pay. This season is the tricky one.

      • rtcwon - Oct 13, 2016 at 4:07 PM

        Of all that, the most impossible is the new contract. Under the tag, not even allowed (not aloud) to talk until after Super Bowl.

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 13, 2016 at 4:36 PM

          I know. I picked a high number too just to make sure nobody took me too serious. Lezzie and I have had some spirited disagreements about Paul and Cousins contract.

          Cousins could go out and take the next step toward earning that big contract this week though. How about we just go for no picks, a win, and a 64% completion rate? Forget yards and TDs. Just win and protect the ball. That’s a good first step.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 13, 2016 at 5:28 PM

          He’s got to come down off that number. The guys he’s playing comparable to aren’t getting paid that much. You could argue he’s under pressure to perform up to the hype for a new contract but imagine the product of him playing under pressure BECAUSE of a new contract. The scrutiny he’d be under after getting that huge pay day. There’d be no margin for error or at least a very small one. Just look at us now giving him cushion because it’s not costing us anything long term, that’s a beautiful thing having options. 20M a year is elite money but when you consider what we would be paying for his long term deal, especially for what he was asking, it’s a drop in the bucket. We can’t attach ourselves to a guy that’s this inconsistent. If you met a “whatever your prefer” this sketchy would you throw a ring on their finger just because they look better than your exes? Even though they stare at your best friends whenever they’re around and has even thrown it their way on occasion? Heck no! You’d get what you can from the situation and move on when you have better options, investing as little as possible to maximize your benefit(s). Misogyny aside, if Kirk turns it on and plays lights out for the rest of the season this becomes obsolete. The thing is his demands where based on that type of play to begin with, so if he can’t duplicate it with more time in the system and a host of weapons why should we pay him that much? We can get a rookie in here behind Colt and have him play on the team friendly deal until he develops. That also frees up cap room to address our D maybe a solid FA and a few draft picks. Our future doesn’t live and die with Kirk, the only way that would happened is if we signed him to an elite long term contract and he turns out to be who we thought we were. Just let him off the hook.

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 14, 2016 at 1:44 AM

          At this point I’m very happy to just forget about the money for now and wait and see what happens this season. I’m perfectly happy to table the money discussion until after our last game. Nothing is going to get figured out in week 6.

          Now, I wanted to talk money this summer. And it’s fine if you want to hold me to that. But once the deadline passed that was that. I wanted they to get a deal done, and I would feel the same way knowing what I know now. But I had/have my reasons and not everyone agrees. I just know we’re not going to find out what happens until January at the earliest. But probably later. So I’m good just watching the season play out. If he has a crazy good game or two I’m not going to be screaming about how we should have paid him or how he now deserves a big contract. I’m just going to wait and see what he does in all 16 games then see if I change my mind.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 14, 2016 at 1:57 AM

          That wait and see feel good dinna mugg. 😊😊😊😊 I just wish you all had seen the value in this logic earlier. Don’t get how I’ve been putting out kirk fires and kirk panic week to week talking people off the ledge but I get cattyness like im a kirk hater. Then when I say we can get a deal done if he comes down the only thing I have a problem with is his number. Now as his tendencies have seemed to be a recurring theme, back to training camp, I’m worried that we’ll settle for a game manager when we can get a winner. We keep worrying about paying Kirk and SO FAR SO FAR I’m like let him walk or tag him and draft someone else. Even the tag is expensive but I’ve rationalized that into thinking this was a 2 year big money deal with an exit ramp. But even then it’s like you said what are we doing in the mean time? I want to get better this off season. If he doesn’t improve I don’t even want to have this discussion this off season. Cut his butt!

          And I did most of that without numbers.

      • bangkokben - Oct 13, 2016 at 5:55 PM

        Fun or not no contract offers can be signed until the Redskins season — including postseason — is over. Therefore Cousins could throw for a record setting eight TDs, he still won’t get an offer.

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 14, 2016 at 1:08 AM

          Guys. I know. I specifically put in the post that I was just fooling around so that we didn’t get into a discussion about how impossible all of that is. It was supposed to so outrageous that it was clear I was joking. I added an actual impossible part so that nobody could be confused. I’m all for being accurate but you guys are fact checking a statement that was intentionally ridiculous.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 14, 2016 at 1:33 AM

          I agree Trey. Bangkok wanted to flex but it’s been addressed. On to next week. 👉

      • John - Oct 14, 2016 at 3:13 PM

        That’s a good impersonation of color, however you forgot to say that Jones, Burton and Murphy are beasts, LOL…

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 14, 2016 at 3:20 PM

          Murphy is a beast!

          Maybe Jones will be next to break out. Fingers crossed.

  9. snyderisanidiot - Oct 13, 2016 at 12:35 PM

    Um.. Hell No.. Do I even need to elaborate?

    • Trey Gregory - Oct 13, 2016 at 2:55 PM

      It would be nice but I agree with you so, no, it’s not necessary.

      If they can manage 8-8 while staying relatively healthy and developing our young talent then I’ll be very happy. It would also be nice to get a definitive answer at QB.

  10. rtcwon - Oct 13, 2016 at 4:16 PM

    They are not playing well and still 3-2. I think they will play better. 10-6 is the most probable landing spot with just moderate improvement in play. If Atlanta falls apart, that may be enough for second bye. Here come my 100 poker chips: 15 on bye, 75 on repeat division champ, 10 on missing playoffs. I just don’t see status quo, wild card results happening.

    • Trey Gregory - Oct 13, 2016 at 4:39 PM

      Wow. You see 10-6 with a playoff bye as the most likely scenario? What makes you think Atlanta, and Minnesota for that matter, will slow down?

      I would crap my pants if they go 10-6. Playoffs aside. I’ll be elated. I see 7-9 as the most likely with 8-8 as a very, very good year all things considered. Playoffs are just something to talk about but not really an important reality for another season or two.

      • rtcwon - Oct 13, 2016 at 6:05 PM

        I do see 10-6 as most likely and said IF Atlanta falls apart (which they did last year) that MAY be enough for the second bye. 10-6 will only take moderate improvement and will win the division. Earning the bye at 11-5 or better and somehow playing worse to miss the playoffs are both more likely than status quo, 9-7 wildcard.

        And I’m sorry but in this week to week parity league, multi-year rebuilds are not reality. Any team with a qb and two of LT, CB, & pass rusher should compete. I think they have that so missing the playoffs is failure. I also think they have enough other talent and depth for a playoff run. They just need to play better. One and done would be a disappointment.

      • bangkokben - Oct 13, 2016 at 6:55 PM

        You see 4-7 the rest of the way. Who are the four? Or the seven? I think that is a very pessimistic view. One in which over inflates the opposition. Football Outsiders have the Redskins having a 29.2% chance of making the playoffs which is 7th in the NFC (just missing out) and a mean-wins of 8.1.

        Of the remaining 11 games, six are against teams with less chance to make the playoffs. That daunting first place schedule? Carolina has a 6.7% chance of making the playoffs now and Arizona a 23.9%. Who knows what that means when they match-up but it is an indicator that the Redskins are the better perceived team of the three — especially when you consider that the success of Dallas and Philly lowers the Redskins chances. When they consider just the wild card chances, of the three it’s:

        16.8% WAS
        13.7% ARI
        2.7% CAR

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 14, 2016 at 3:41 PM

          Well I wasn’t intentionally being pessimistic. When you phrase it like that (that they’re only going to win 4 more games all season) that does seem a little harsh.

          But I gave it a lot of thought in the preseason and said i think they’re a better team than they were in 2015 but will finish 7-9. Based off multiple things; the schedule being a huge part of it. And they haven’t done much to change my mind about that. Although some of our competitors may have.

          I listed all of our wins and losses. I named the teams I thought we would beat and lose to and asked other people to do the same multiple times but people either couldn’t find 10 wins for this team or didn’t believe it enough to put their name on it. But here we go again.

          I said we split with every team in the division. So that’s 3-3.

          Then I said we beat Cleveland, Baltimore, Detroit, and Chicago for 7 wins.

          Of the remaining games there are a couple I like better than I did 2 months ago. Cinci suddenly doesn’t look as scary. Neither does Carolina and Az, although I put them a notch above Cinci. So I’m feeling more optimistic about 8-8 because of Cinci. But they’re still a good team. And the Lions or Bears could still beat us. The Cowboys and Eagles could still sweep us. We’re looking down the barrel of a gun if we don’t beat Philly at home. We could get swept by 2 division opponents. We’re already halfway there with Dallas and the next games vs. both of them are on the road.

          There’s no such thing as an unwinnable game in the NFL. But I would say the Minnesota game is about as close as it’s going to come for us. They’re thatgood and they matchup great with our strengths. I don’t think we stand much of a chance against Green Bay either. I do think Az and Carolina will get it going sooner or later. Maybe not to last year’s form but they’ll get better.

          In my mind the only games that aren’t really decided are Cinci and the remaining division games.

        • bangkokben - Oct 14, 2016 at 4:10 PM

          So you found your ten games then? Take your original 7 and add Cincy, Arizona, and Carolina. Then split the difference and you get 8-9 wins which to me is more likely. I’ve got no fear of the divisional games. At the same time, no grandiose illusions either. Those game regardless of the record and who is favored will be coin flips.

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 14, 2016 at 4:25 PM

          It’s possible. And I find it a lot more likely than I did this summer. Still just can’t bring myself to say it’s likely until Cousins puts together a couple of good games. Good by last year’s standards. That doesn’t mean he has to play like he did in his best games. Just better than he has been.

          So much can happen man. Anyone who acts like they actually saw some of this stuff coming and knew how it would play out is full of it. It’s fun to make our predictions but none of us, not even the most respected sports analysts, really know. I’m just hoping for the best. I love admitting I was wrong when they do better than i said they would.

        • bangkokben - Oct 14, 2016 at 4:28 PM

          Speaking of not seeing things coming, how about this one? Kirk goes off and the Redskins put up 40 on the Eagles in a “statement” game? Oops. Spoiler alert.

          No. Can’t see it coming but it is in the realm of possibility.

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 14, 2016 at 5:13 PM

          How about 41 points? 3 passing TDs. One a 45 yarder to DJax and 1 a piece for Crowder and Garçon in the Redzone (assuming Reed doesn’t play). Then Kelley and Jones both get a rushing TD and Hopkins gets 2 FGs. Kelley racks up 60 yards on 9 carries and Jones gets 90 yards on 12 carries. Cousins finishes with 380 yards passing, no ints, 1 sack, and 10 rushing yards. That would be a good day.

  11. bangkokben - Oct 13, 2016 at 5:29 PM

    Put me down on wild card. At this very moment the Redskns control their own destiny, but losing Reed even for a game is devastating and may be enough to lose that control. As long as they keep winning it won’t matter if it’s first or second and a wild card.

    • snyderisanidiot - Oct 13, 2016 at 5:57 PM

      For Reed this would be concussion number 6. Yikes It starting to get scary. At some point in time I rather see him stop playing to preserve his health. 6 Concussions and the man is so young. Scary.

      • bangkokben - Oct 13, 2016 at 6:11 PM

        Just five but the point is the same. {When getting you’re information from 106.7 be sure to subtract the required 20%.}

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 14, 2016 at 3:47 PM

          Well every news outlet in the nation that I’ve seen is saying 6.

          Either way it’s not great. But not all concussions are created equal. There are grades of them and that does matter. I’m about 99.9% positive that this most recent wasn’t what we would have called a grade 3 (that’s not a universal grading system just FYI) because he didn’t lose consciousness. Severe concussions come with blacking out for at least a few seconds but maybe longer.

          There’s such a scare over these things (and rightfully so) that i worry we’re diagnosing guys with concussions just to be safe. There’s not necessarily a definitive test to tell if someone is concussed. You can’t just shoot an X-ray. It’s strange it took a couple days for him to even notice. I can’t help but think that if a NFL player with 5 previous concussions walks into a Dr.’s office with a cold and a tension headache he’s walking out with a diagnosed concussion. It’s a cynical way of looking at it but all shots to the head do not = concussions.

        • bangkokben - Oct 14, 2016 at 4:17 PM

          Agreed. I’m cynical as well. There is reason for everyone to err on the side of caution. There are a lot of concussions now — outside of professional football. Symptoms can be debilitating and last seemingly forever. When I had mine — from standing up below a low deck — life sucked for a month. I couldn’t imagine doing anything like “individual drills” off to the side let alone play football.

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 14, 2016 at 3:49 PM

          Not all hits to the head = concussions *

        • bangkokben - Oct 14, 2016 at 4:17 PM

          Not all shots to the head = death, then?

      • bullets2586 - Oct 13, 2016 at 7:50 PM

        Time for Reed to borrow the Don Beebe helmet cover. But seriously this is bad that he keeps getting concussions. He was already IR’d once for a concussion. This could end a career.

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 14, 2016 at 3:50 PM

          There really are alternative helmets the players can wear if they buy them. I’m pretty sure Peyton Manning wore one. And allegedly they do a much better job. Of course that’s according to the guy selling them. But he makes a lot of sense. I wonder if I can find the link to this story. It’s like 4 years old.

  12. lezziemcdykerson - Oct 13, 2016 at 6:06 PM

    Via John Keim:
    “I’m not sure we’re any clearer on Cousins’ future than we were before this season started. He has been up and down in 2016, with five interceptions in five starts despite throwing just 22.4 percent of his passes 10 or more yards downfield, the lowest percentage of any regular starter in football. In one game alone, a cursory tape analysis saw Cousins leave three long touchdown passes on the field with bad throws. And yet Cousins has also had stretches in which he has played at a relatively high level. His QBR of 59.6 is a step below last year’s 74.5 mark, but it’s still good enough for 18th in the league.

    Last year, the move that made sense for all parties was for Washington to franchise Cousins, which it did. This offseason, GM Scot McCloughan will have to make a tougher call. Franchising Cousins would cost Washington $24 million on a one-year deal, which would give him the third-highest cap hit in football behind Romo and Joe Flacco. It’s not off the table entirely, but that would be an inefficient use of resources. More likely, McCloughan will want to go ahead with Cousins as his quarterback on a multiyear deal or find a new passer.

    To be honest, I’m not sure what the right call will be or how things will go. This time last year, Cousins still looked like a turnover machine. He threw eight interceptions in his first six starts, and then, going against everything he had exhibited throughout his career, Cousins threw just three over the following 10 games. Stay tuned.

    Likelihood of Cousins leaving: 35 percent”

    • bangkokben - Oct 13, 2016 at 7:13 PM

      That’s from Bill Barnwell and considering how many QBs may be leaving and how many teams will get a chance to draft a top QB, it only means that Cousins will likely get paid if he continues to play like he has — which has been disappointing.

      • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 13, 2016 at 7:18 PM

        Lol Bye. Kokster. You ask for sources then try to twist the context of what he said. He literally said he doesn’t know and Kirk needs to get his sh*t together. The Redskins invested in the QB they believe in. As far as the future they wanted to kick the tires on Kirk and so far he’s sputtering. A large part of your argument hinges on a Kirk turn around that may or may not happen. Most people say “there’s alway next year” but I see there’s a lot of “remember last year” folks on here. #SweetMemories #CantDriveForwardLookingInYourRearview

        • bangkokben - Oct 13, 2016 at 7:46 PM

          Tell me what my argument is again? Perhaps, you could do yourself a favor and read my response out loud?

          “According to a report, the Redskins long-term contract offer to Kirk Cousins was not a package that he ever was going to accept. The numbers reported by Mike Garafolo of the NFL Network were $16 million per year with $24 million guaranteed.”

          From your source in your epic name-calling (doesn’t bother me) tirade in point five. $24 MILLION GUARANTEED. That was offered and Kirk has already made nearly $20 million of that. Rich wrote that Cousins wanted $22 million APY by adding up the two franchise tags. Sure, ask for that but you’re not going to get it. (IF TRUE.) But that’s not what Cousins wanted BUT the $44 million guaranteed which he already has $20 million. Osweiler got $37 million. Neither party moved from where they started and here we are.

          Now, Cousins isn’t on some mission to earn $22 million but believe that if it helps you write ridiculously long responses. But if that’s what you think, then you’re right he’s not playing to that level and I doubt he will be at the end of the season. However, if you think his performance, won’t earn the remaining $4 million guaranteed the Redskins offered him, or $17 million guaranteed more that Osweiler got, or $24 million more that Cousins was looking for than I disagree. These guaranteed amounts are what players are trying to get and it doesn’t matter how long the contract is as long as there are guarantees.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 13, 2016 at 7:52 PM

          Read this and ask yourself “Is Kirk worth it” And remember we’re talking about Real Kirk not the imaginary season he’s having in your head. From “Given that, was Cousins’ demand of $22 million per year any more reasonable than the Redskins’ offer of $16 million? Did Cousins camp ever show signs of coming down from their original asking price, perhaps giving the Redskins incentive to sweeten their offer? There are no indications that they did. So if both sides in a negotiation are stuck on unreasonable offers is either side at fault?” He’s not a mission for 22M… Sure we’ll go with that. Rich I think Kok is calling for a retraction he doesn’t trust your reports. But something sticks out. “Unreasonable”… that’s a funny word.. it’s almost like they’re saying… Kirk needs to come down on their number. This was how long ago? I wonder how they feel now.

        • bangkokben - Oct 13, 2016 at 8:01 PM

          Yep, the world never changes. Suppose Rich, who doesn’t call himself a reporter, was right on in that piece. Do you think that benchmark wasn’t going to change? It doesn’t have to change NOW because nothing can get done until February but it RIGHT NOW looks unreasonable AND had Cousins not thrown an interception this year, that benchmark might look too low. Things change and will continue to change between now and February.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 13, 2016 at 8:11 PM

          Ahhh so wait some things are starting to happen here let’s go through this.

          So this offseason my approach of wait and see who he is was pretty much met with.. well look at you know still slinging the same mud. “Things change and will continue to change between now and February.” It does look like you guys are coming around now. Welcome.

          Trey is still firmly pay him whatever he wants. I’ll make a believer of him yet.

          I have made my mind up that unless he’s lights out he can walk or get tagged again. Would rather him walk but kind of wish there was a scenario where we can just rade him and get something back. Someone will buy in to his potential why can’t we benefit from it.

          Your position.. what is your position? You just rattled off a couple of terrible contracts that teams wish they’d never tendered and then kind of backed off that. Then proceeded to nitpick who wrote the article and what Rich’s official work title is cause that’s how you do it folks. IDK I think your position was he should be paid among the avg QB which I actually agree with. His demand of 22M a year (however it’s pro rated) is not flush with that logic. When I say he needs to come down from that number, that’s the number I’m talking about. Not the one you came up with, the one that was reported that he wanted.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 13, 2016 at 9:42 PM

          “Rich wrote that Cousins wanted $22 million APY by adding up the two franchise tags. ” Did he?

          “It was reported by multiple sources that Cousins was looking for a contract based the $20 million he would get on the franchise tag this year and the $24 million the Redskins would have to pay him if they tagged him again in 2017. ”

          Did Rich make up the number or report about what he’d heard from multiple sources? That was really unclear. We agree that Kirk has to come down off that number though right? That was the nougat of this entire back and forth right?

        • bangkokben - Oct 14, 2016 at 7:28 AM

          We agree that that number is unlikely. We disagree that this actually Kirk’s demand. Rich did write that. Again that — if true — was a benchmark for negotiations and nothing to do with this season’s contract. Everything has been reset.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 14, 2016 at 11:28 AM

          Yeah I won’t go against the journalism that’s been fact checked. So we’ll have to split that one buddy. And by everything has been reset you mean he has, or will have to, come down off that number since that was expected to be this season’s floor number? If so yes, it’s the only way he gets a deal though I lean towards not giving him one now. Let’s not tie up a roster spot on a guy that can’t decide what he is.

          Yes so all this time we actually agreed. SMH. You only disagreement is actually with Rich not me.

        • bangkokben - Oct 14, 2016 at 4:12 PM

          Neither is journalism or fact checking or anyone’s position original or current but who cares? You certainly don’t.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 14, 2016 at 4:49 PM

          Right.. I should just trust your sources, I’m sure you have way better intel than Rich. Peace be with you.

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        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 13, 2016 at 7:54 PM

          I’m at work and can’t see this but let’s remember. Kirk isn’t backing any of you all up. I want him to get it together too but I’m not forking over anything more than avg pay plus inflation for him. He can ruin someone else’s franchise with that.

  13. bullets2586 - Oct 13, 2016 at 7:51 PM

    WIld card if lucky, Even if we make the play ofs I see a one and done. The team is getting better, but the defense can’t win a playoff game for us.

  14. lezziemcdykerson - Oct 13, 2016 at 11:18 PM

    “Cravens did participate in individual drills in practice, but was sidelined once the linebackers started working with running backs in coverage, then did not practice in full-team work, either. But Redskins coach Jay Gruden was encouraged by what he saw Thursday.

    “Very good, he had a very good day,” Gruden said. “He looks good, he feels good. Have another good day tomorrow, make sure there’s no setbacks, but we feel good about where he is.”

    Hopefully Cray Cray is on the way back. Foster played well but I like to see them mix them up. Archives

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