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Need to Know: Final thoughts on Redskins vs. Ravens—’Next man up’ comes up big

Oct 11, 2016, 5:29 AM EDT


Here is what you need to know on this Tuesday, October 11, five days before the Washington Redskins host the Philadelphia Eagles.


Today’s schedule: No media availability

Days until: Eagles @ Redskins 5; Redskins @ Lions 12; Redskins vs. Bengals in London 19

Final thoughts on Redskins vs. Ravens Next man up comes up big

—In 2013 the Redskins special teams were a disaster, the worst in the league by a long shot. Enter Ben Kotwica and in 2014 the kicking units were merely bad. Last year they made a few negative plays but the team did score three special teams touchdowns, albeit in blowout losses. Now, in 2016, the special teams have been excellent (fourth in the NFL through Week 4 per DVOA) and yesterday they got a punt return for a touchdown that was the difference in the game. The gradual improvement is a tribute to Kotwica and to the Redskins for sticking by him through some tough times, realizing he had a huge task when he got here after the disasters of 2013.

—One under discussed area of improvement for the Redskins on Sunday was in penalties. There were four accepted penalties against them for 46 yards. The majority of the yards, 26 of them, came on a very shaky pass interference call against Will Compton. It didn’t look like there was any contact with the receiver until the ball arrived. There were no false starts called against the offensive line during the road game; the only flag for that infraction was drawn by wide receiver Jamison Crowder. Like many other aspects of the team’s performance both good and bad this is a week to week thing but still a positive thing to note.

—There were 16 players who participated in at least a third of the defensive snaps against the Ravens. Of those, seven played little or not at all during the season opener against the Steelers. Some, like Will Blackmon and Kendall Fuller, were inactive. Others, like Greg Toler and Quinton Dunbar, played only on special teams. Matt Ioannidis was on the practice squad and Cullen Jenkins wasn’t even on the team. You hear “next man up” all the time; this is that mantra in action and with solid results.

—I never thought for a second that Marc Trestman would be the savior of the Bears and I was unimpressed when the Ravens brought him on board as their offensive coordinator. He always seemed to want to out-clever the opposition rather than just designing a solid scheme and calling it well during a game. Not only did he abandon a running game that was working well in the first quarter, he stayed away from it even though it worked well even as the Ravens ran very little (8 carries, 44 yards, 5.5 average in last three quarters). The Ravens are better off without him.

—Redskins fans should be used to their team winning close games, at least when they’re not playing a certain hated division foe. Going back to Week 4 of last season the Redskins have won six out of nine games decided by one score. Two of the three losses, of course, were to the Cowboys, losses the team will not be able to avenge until Thanksgiving Day.

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  1. redskins12thman - Oct 11, 2016 at 5:53 AM

    The lack of penalties in the Ravens game was huge. I hope the Redskins can replicate similar performances for the remainder of the season!

    Because it was so poor, the play of Bruton, Phillips and Hall really hurt the team. If the defense can play as well as they did against the Ravens, the Redskins will be in much better shape.

    The poor play by the Redskins on special teams used to make me sick to my stomach; I’m so glad it performed better last year and very good so far this year.

    To have a good shot of the playoffs, division games are critical to not lose the first couple of tie-breakers. I really hope we beat the Eagles on Sunday

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    • bangkokben - Oct 11, 2016 at 7:31 AM

      Way too early to tell if the Bruton, Hall, Philips triumvirate has adequately been replaced. The Ravens refused to run despite it’s success and Ihenacho missed tackles in the hole — which was Bruton’s issue as well. The Ravens offense fixed the defense for a week.

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      • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Oct 11, 2016 at 7:54 AM

        I guess Whitner will get a chance to show what he’s got left in the tank sooner rather than later.

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      • colorofmyskinz - Oct 11, 2016 at 7:57 AM

        Ihnacho was much better than Bruton. He only missed a couple. Bruton missed almost ever tackle. Nacho was the lead tackler in the team. Hall, Bruton, and Phillips were major liabilities. Blackmon, Nacho, and Fuller are light years better. That was the case of seniority pulling rank. I think it is very easy to see the improvement.

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        • redskins12thman - Oct 11, 2016 at 9:54 AM

          I’m unsure whether Blackmon is best free safety option, but obviously I hope he continues to do well. Blackmon had that great kick-off return too; that was awesome!

        • ET - Oct 11, 2016 at 11:58 AM

          Though he wasn’t perfect, Nacho was much better than Bruton, and Fuller looked solid. Fuller’s gonna be good, and Breeland’ll get his mojo back.

          I’m still not sure Blackmon should be a safety, but the guy is scrappy. Toler has impressed me so far as well.

      • redskins12thman - Oct 11, 2016 at 9:38 AM

        Agreed. Next nine games will be tougher test for secondary. I know Packers pass stats have been just okay, but Rodgers is still one of the best QBs.

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      • Trey Gregory - Oct 11, 2016 at 12:55 PM

        Nobody has been more critical of Ihenacho than me. But I have to admit, I think he had a pretty good game. He hustles to the ball from across the field while some guys are just standing there. He plays fast and aversive. That led to bad angles from time to time but overall I was happy with him. If you try and think of him as more of a linebacker than a safety then the issues in coverage go away and he’s not half bad ;)

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        • bangkokben - Oct 11, 2016 at 5:43 PM

          I got no problem with Ihenacho. I just got a problem with those that think one okay game against a terrible offense is a problem solved.

  2. garg8050 - Oct 11, 2016 at 6:23 AM

    This game showed how important the d-line is to the success of the defense, particularly in a 3-4 scheme. The d-line did a better job occupying the offensive lineman, which allowed Compton and Foster to make more plays. Ihenacho, though he had a bad missed tackle, was a huge upgrade over Bruton. And Blackmon seemed to be more aggressive in the running game. And I like the fact that we’ve got Whitner waiting in the wings, not only to push the safeties, but also to get some reps. He should be an asset against the run, especially on 1st down.

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    • redskins12thman - Oct 11, 2016 at 6:51 AM

      X 2. Agree.

      By far the best game by the d-line (and showed the importance of it).

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    • Trey Gregory - Oct 11, 2016 at 2:50 PM

      I understand what you’re saying about linemen in a 3-4 occupying blockers. But that’s not the defense we run. That’s a 2-gap scheme and we 1-gap. Our guys should be getting pressure, not occupying blockers to allow the linebackers to make plays. It’s a completely different philosophy.

      The improvemt, in my opinion, really came because Hood played more 3-technique. They used Ioannidis at NT for 28 snaps. Which allowed Baker and Hood to just pass rush from their natural DE positions.

      Now, even in this 1-gap scheme, a NT still needs to take a double team. Ioannidis played well for being a young and undersized guy. But he did not command the type of double team a true nose tackle commands. The NT is supposed to get 2 blockers so that the DEs and OLBs get a favorable matchup. Instead the center and guard initially pushed Ioannidis but one would quickly disengage and move elsewhere. If you get this team a true nose, someone who simply commands a double team through the duration of the play, then we have Baker, Hood, Kerrigan, Murphy, and Smith who can tee off without worrying about occupying blockers. That line will improve if we can do that. We’ve been wasting Hood lining him up over the center.

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      • redskins12thman - Oct 12, 2016 at 1:21 AM

        Hi Trey, Thanks for elaborating on this.

        I thought our NT was only going to play 10-15 snaps per game (That’s what I was told when inquiring as to why Golston would work out). Has that snap count now doubled or tripled?

        Also, are you conveying that a “true nose” is now essential to the strong functioning of our defense or is NT less important than other positions (e.g., Nickel Back)? Just trying to understand importance of NT position for Redskins…

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        • Trey Gregory - Oct 13, 2016 at 2:42 AM

          Well. I feel like I could talk about this all day. So I’ll try not to. But can I recommend a book to you? I didn’t really understand Barry’s defense until I started doing some more in depth reading. The book “take your eye off the ball” by Pat Kirwin is a real good into into a lot of stuff. It’s a little more in depth than a football 101 type book but it’s still easy to follow. Pat brings up hybrid defenses and explains in like 2 pages what I probably couldn’t in 10,000 words.

          I basically try to relay some of that info here and probably sound like an idiot half the time. The first thing you have to understand is that we don’t run a 3-4 or a 4-3. We run a hybrid that impliments aspects of both. But it is more 3-4 than 4-3 so people often call it that for simplicity. Because, for some strange reason, people have it stuck in their heads that NFL defenses can only be 3-4s or 4-3s.

          So, a nose tackle is very important for a 3-4. You only have 3 down linemen which means someone has to take in more work. But a 3-4 works because they 2 gap. They line up over the players instead of between so that they’re responsible for two gaps instead of one. The NT takes the double team and the DEs occupy their blockers so that the linebackers can rush between the gaps. That should leave somebody free. So it’s essential that someone be worthy of a true double team because you have one less lineman. So the lineup looks like LOLB Smith, LDE Baker, NT Ioannidis, RDEHood, ROLB Kerrigan.

          But that’s for run defense. The linemen occupy the blockers so the linebackers can fill the gaps and tackle the runner. In pass defense we go to nickel. We sub a linebacker for a DB so we go to a 4 man front since we only have 3 linebackers. This is essentially a 4-3. Because the 3-4 DEs are now inside acting as DTs. And the 2 OLBs are not on the end as DEs, and the NT is on the bench. So it looks like LDE Smith, LDT Baker, RDT Hood, RDE Kerrigan.

          This works because 3-4 DEs are much bigger than 4-3 DEs. And 3-4 OLBs are bigger than 4-3 OLBs. The 3-4 DE is closer to a 4-3 DT than 4-3 DE. Also it’s similar techniques. A 4-3 DT may play a 3 or 5 technique (maybe even 9 outside the TE). A 3-4 DE is probably playing 3 or 5 (depending on the defense). So it’s basically the same job.

          That brings me to the hybrid. We can play base 3-4. Or we can basically do nickel front on run downs and just use Murphy as a DE, Smith as as the Sam (4-3) OLB, Compton as the Mike, and Foster as the Will (4-3) OLB on run downs too. We can run both. It may not be ideal. Our personnel is better suited to run a 3-4. But we CAN if we need to.

          And since the base 3-4 is really a run stopping package, we’re in nickel the majority of the time. That means no true nose regardless of the alignment. They may still line a guy up over the center (that’s what a nose tackle is) but they’re still hoping to get a pass rush.

          So, no, we wouldn’t use a NT like Knighton more than a quarter of the snaps or so. But he would still make those snaps count more. It would help the run D. We can just go to a 4 man front and roll with the punches. But I would rather use our guys for the positions they’re better suited to play. Barry’s defense calls for a smaller NT with more lass rushing skills than a guy like Knighton. But we don’t have that guy. We passed on him multiple times in the draft. So, for now, Knighton would be an upgrade in my opinion, even if not ideal. And there’s a possibility we would run a 3-man front more often if we had the right guy.

          But don’t let anyone fool you. This team is in a 4 man front the majority of the time. Where a NT wouldn’t be on the field. We are in a 4-2-5 the majority of the game and we never 2-gap even in a 3-man front. That’s not what 3-4 defenses do. It’s what hybrids do. That’s what Denver does and they’re not a 3-4, they’re hybrid.

          Want some entertainment? Go look at the SCNation blog for the Broncos and look up old posts from last year where their old fans are trying to understand Phillip’s D. They weren’t complaining about the scheme like guys do here about Barry because it worked. It worked because they have elite talent. But most of them didn’t get it. They couldn’t comprehend calling Von Miller a DE on some plays and OLB on others. They couldn’t get past the 3-4 vs. 4-3 thing but they knew they liked it!

  3. redskins12thman - Oct 11, 2016 at 7:22 AM

    It’s strange to think that team has a three game winning streak and yet is 1 and 2 at home this season.

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    • Trey Gregory - Oct 11, 2016 at 4:06 PM

      That’s a positive sign to me. Let’s maybe chalk it up to a slow start? And hope they keep it going. Because you have to win your home games to have a shot.

      It’s a shame we get Minnesota, Green Bay, and Carolina at home. But Minnesota is the only games I see as unwinnable for our squad right now. It might be tough sledding against some other teams, and we won’t be favored, but they could win just about every other game if Az and Carolina keep playing the way they’re playing (which I don’t expect btw).

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      • bangkokben - Oct 11, 2016 at 6:50 PM

        The whole road warriors/road weaklings thing is pure myth. It’s all about where an almost average to better than average team is playing its toughest part of the schedule. Last season, the team played its tougher games on the road; this year at home. Having said all that, Minnesota should be a heavy favorite but nothing in the realm of unwinnable. As for Carolina and Arizona, they are exactly who they are at this point in the season — that doesn’t mean they won’t be tough match-ups for the Redskins. Those teams have taken a step back while taking on tougher opponents. There is little reason to think that they can turn it around.

        Carolina has nine games left including: SD, KC, OAK, SEA, ATL, WAS, LA, and ARI not to mention the rest of their division games and an injured QB. Their defensive backfield is also 3/4 different (in a bad way) from last year.

        Arizona this week faces an equally desperate Jets followed by SEA x2, CAR, MIN, ATL, and WAS as seven of their final nine games. The other two games are within the division.

        There is little reason to expect either of those teams to win their divisions unless there is major upheaval with Seattle and Atlanta. Getting into the playoffs will be tough enough with those schedules considering the holes they dug — especially for Carolina.

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  4. bangkokben - Oct 11, 2016 at 7:40 AM

    The Kotwica must go chants are a thing of the past. They should’ve been a thing of the never but this fan base always want to assign premature blame.

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    • ET - Oct 11, 2016 at 12:11 PM

      You’re right.

      Kotwica has transformed what was a cringeworthy unit. It’s a new (well, old) feeling to feel comfortable during field goals, punts and kickoff returns. It’s a relief that we have one of the best kicker / punter / snapper trios in the league. Still mad that Lorenzo Alexander isn’t part of the special teams resurgence, but pretty happy the team managed to address a dire problem straight-on and efficiently.

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      • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Oct 11, 2016 at 2:45 PM

        LorAx is an LB sack machine now.

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        • redskins12thman - Oct 11, 2016 at 5:17 PM

          Both Alexander and Orakpo are near the top of the league in sacks!

    • Trey Gregory - Oct 11, 2016 at 2:57 PM

      I seriously wonder if the same is going to happen for Gruden and Barry in a season or two. People have been calling for them to get fired since they were hired. But they both inherited a complete mess and, in my opinion, are turning it around. They get all the blame when things go wrong. Don’t we have to give them credit when things go right?

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      • bangkokben - Oct 11, 2016 at 5:22 PM

        That’s exactly what I was alluding to. Every loss is because Gruden is too pass happy or because Barry was 0-16 a lifetime ago for another organization. Whether either coach will be worth a second contract, idk, but it is worth taking into account the state of the team/defense before and monitor progress with a reasonable amount of patience.

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      • chimps000 - Oct 11, 2016 at 5:43 PM

        The defense had one good game, after posting a historically bad 3rd down conversion rate through 4 games.

        I do believe in giving some credit to barry for this defensive effort, altho interestingly the improved defense came after he played players that for some reason he previously had not played. Instead, he played guys like bruton and phillips who were terrible, also gave some snaps to another terrible joe barry guy in kendall reyes (who by the way, was not picked up by anybody else- we gave him 3 million and no one else wants him for the bare minimum non-guaranteed), and who finally played the rookie Fuller who by all accounts has played well.

        Trey you have said repeatedly to trust that the coaches are playing the best players, while i was calling for fuller to play (a draft pick i personally did not like, but hey there was no way he could have been worse than phillips, and he is young and a 3rd round pick) and the guy actually is a major improvement over phillips.

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        • chimps000 - Oct 11, 2016 at 5:54 PM

          I also was calling for playing Lanier at least some snaps on the DLine, and while Barry didn’t make that earthshaking change, at least he tried Ionniadis, who didn’t embarrass himself out there. When your line is that talent poor, it makes sense to try something else, it just seems to take Barry a very long time to actually make these kind of personnel adjustments. Speaking of adjustments, he also was slow to make the radical move of playing norman on different sides of the field.

          But I agree, the defense played well and Barry does deserve credit this week.

          This is exactly my rationale on Jones/Kelly. We have seen plenty of matt jones, and he doesn’t look good. And he fumbles. How about we try a different player? Maybe Kelly would be worse, but how do we not give him a shot when the “starter” looks like this?

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 12, 2016 at 3:23 AM

          I guess Ben and I are sharing a mind today because he basically said exactly what I wanted to. Maybe Fuller wasn’t ready week 1. Maybe he really wasn’t ready week 3 but was forced into action, grew up quick, and did better week 5 because of it. Same for any young players.

          You can’t honestly evaluate a played based off one or two games. It takes a larger sampling size. Then you see how they respond to coaching and if they improve. My point about the coaches was that they have more information than we do. People we’re consistently saying they were confused about personnel decesions. My point was that there’s a group of professional football minds who know infinitely more about the game than we do who have seen these guys play most days of the week for the past few months. It’s beyond arrogant and irrational to think we know better than even the worse coach in the league given our experience level and amount of information at our disposal. I said if you assume they know stuff that you don’t then it makes more sense. That could be any number of things. Nagging injuries that aren’t worth listing but are affecting them, an illness, conditioning, knowledge of the playbook, issues at home, mental health, the player acted out and isn’t starting as an example of discipline, broken curfew, got caught with a dead hooker in a hotel room and a mountain of drugs, isn’t taking special teams seriously, refuses to run block/try and tackle in the run game, maybe tackling issues? etc., etc forever. Or maybe the guy just looked god awful in practice. We wouldn’t know. The guy coming in and playing well doesn’t prove that the coach was wrong to start someone else.

        • bangkokben - Oct 11, 2016 at 7:01 PM

          There is little reason to rush players. Fuller played much better this week than he did last week. Ihenacho better too; but not MUCH better. Timing is one thing that cannot be measured. Cakes aren’t ready 10 minutes early and fruit picked a day or two early off the tree isn’t any better either. There is also something to earning a job as well — whether you be put in after someone is injured or buy your time for a few weeks. Fuller was always going to be the nickle corner at some point this season. Same as last year with Preston Smith being the OLB. We had a couple rookie safeties handed the job a few years ago and then a 2nd round corner handed the nickel role as well and those were terrible mistakes. Coincidentally, Mason Foster had his best game of the year not having to come out for Sua’ Cravens. What are we to make of that?

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 12, 2016 at 3:34 AM

          As far as Barry as a coach. I have no idea if he’s a good or bad coach. But I do know that he inherited one of the worst defenses in the league. They infused the defense with new players but overall it was trading one bad player for another. So it really shouldn’t shock anyone that there hasn’t been a lot of improvement overall.

          But I do know that the Redakins won the division the year Barry came. I know young players who were low draft picks or undrafted came in and contributed right away (like Dunbar and Jarrett). I know that Trent Murphy has broken out under Barry. I know that we had the rookie sack leader under Barry. I know that we were one of the top teams in forced fumbles last year and are on our way this year under Barry. I know Will Compton broke out under Barry. I know Foster and Blackmon were on the street because nobody wanted them but we signed them and they rejuvenated their careers under Barry.

          I also know that every single defensive scheme calls for tackling and exucuting your proper assignment. At which point do you blame the players for screwing up and not the coach? I love Barry’s defensive scheme. I think it’s cutting edge and the future of the NFL. And I can’t even credit it to him because he basically stole it from Wade Phillips. So if you don’t like Barry’s scheme, go talk to the guy who had the #1 defense last year. They’re not exact but they’re close.

          If we’re going to blame the guy for all our troubles then credit him for our triumphs too. He’s not working with a whole lot of talent. Fans were going nuts all summer about our defensive line personnel (as in no depth and improper guys), safties, and depth at OLB. Yet nobody is scolding McCloughan after every loss and Barry gets all the blame even though the fans admit he doesn’t have the right guys or the depth. What kind of sense does that make?

          Progress doesn’t happen over night. But I do see it. Just like with ST, just limenwith Gruden, just like with our O-line, just like with Cousins. Let Barry coach up the young guys for a couple years, let McCloughan take out the trash we’re stuck with for now, and talk to me year 5 of McCloughan and Barry’s tenure and I’ll tell you if they’re any good at their jobs. It’s all premature before that.

        • chimps000 - Oct 12, 2016 at 8:01 AM

          you both make legit points on whether there is stuff behind the scenes for why the coach sticks with playing guys who clearly are playing poorly. And maybe fuller was late to every single meeting the first four weeks of the season.

          I just lean on the other side- the nfl is week to week, year to year, what have you done for me lately- if you aren’t producing, if you are playing very poorly, then we need to get someone else in there. Bruton and phillips (and d hall, but we gave that a pass bc he’s a veteran who had a history of playing well as a cb) needed to be replaced, whether that was fuller, toler, blackmon, deshazor everett, or someone off the street that your gm has to go out and get. It’s not like those guys were playing average for their position, they were consistently out of position and late and not making any plays.

          I’ve been calling for someone, anyone other than matt jones to get snaps- i’m not saying we have to give jones zero snaps, but we needed to try someone else week one. And maybe serious competition would light a fire in jones and he would prepare and play differently.

        • chimps000 - Oct 12, 2016 at 8:24 AM

          and as far as saying there is little reason to rush players- there is certainly a strong reason to try other players when thhe starters are that bad. Fuller is a 3rd round rookie touted for his pedigree and football iq and his preparation. I don’t see how giving him snaps before week 4 would be rushing him.

          And pretty much all nfl guys will say u learn best with actual game reps, not in practice and not on the bench during games. Even at the critical position of QB, there is significant support for playing rookie qbs who there is no way they are fully prepared to play the position- i would speculate a strong majority of nfl coaches and gms believe that, even tho it could potentially cripple a guys confidence.

        • chimps000 - Oct 12, 2016 at 9:44 AM

          last point i want to make- joe barry certainly knows more about football than i ever will- but smart people sometimes don’t see the grass in front of their nose- coaches have their prejudices on players like everyone else, and sometimes they have a hard time adjusting their view to what appears obvious to someone else.

          A lot of fans in my opinion are doing that with matt jones- they think of his height and weight and relatively high draft status and they think he is better than he is- they aren’t comparing him to other backs around the league. Listen to talk radio and fans talk about how powerful he is- regardless of how few times he actually runs with any power much less runs with any real speed.

          Maybe he is just a really slow learner and he’s extra green as trey has suggested before, despite the fact that in my experience RB is one of the key positions where rookies can be successful immediately- but he’s just not good right now, and maybe later in the year after he’s been on the bench the lightbulb comes on.

    • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 11, 2016 at 8:08 PM

      I could be reaching but is an improvement on special teams an indicator of an improvement on defense? Having rotational players that aren’t that bad could be helping us on ST.It’s only translated into one win. Well 1.5 because Su’a did win the NY game for us. Just trying to push the agenda that our D may not be that bad. We got bullied by the Steelers and the Cowboys as far as running has a very good o line. I can’t give them the great all around grade because if that were the case Romo wouldn’t be hurt all the time. But in any event those are two lines that are going to get movement up front for their backs. The Eagles have Lane Johnson out for basically the season, we wont see him again, so we need to pull the trigger on Pot Roast NOW. Going up against a back up center we should be favored in that individual matchup.

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      • Trey Gregory - Oct 12, 2016 at 3:54 AM

        It looks like they’re sticking to their guns. Knoghton must have kicked McCloughan’s dog or something.

        But yes. There is a correlation between a better overall roster and ST. Also, side note, I’ve read that 3-4 teams generally have better ST than 4-3 because they usually carry more linebackers. Thought that was interesting.

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        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 12, 2016 at 2:04 PM

          Now we just need that to translate into our overall defense. Build on last week.

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 12, 2016 at 2:12 PM

          Agreed. But for the first time since probably two offseasons ago I’m slightly optomistic about our defense. I don’t think they’re going to finish a top D or anything. But I’m starting to think they could finish around average. The formula is becoming more obvious and you can see the pieces starting to come together. Now they just actually need to come together consistently.

          If our edge rusher ever get going then we really might be tougher to beat than people think. I still think they need to bring someone in to be a true nose to free up our DEs but I can live with a Ioannidis as long as last week was his baseline and he continues to improve.

  5. colorofmyskinz - Oct 11, 2016 at 7:54 AM

    Comp was lights out finally!! Looked like Kueckley out there. When we drafted Crowder I knew what we were getting. Had watched many college games. He is a beast and is just starting to show what he is capable of. Could be the best slot receiver in the game and is major dangerous with returns. He is one of those guys that feels presence on the field when catching the high ball. He takes that first step like he had been watching defenders not the ball in the air. But he does that by feel. Did it like that in college. He is just amazing.

    Just wait until breeland and cravens are back and Donte is in the rotation. We will be much better on D than we showed. Defensive turning point happened on Sunday for the Redskins!


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  6. redskins12thman - Oct 11, 2016 at 9:33 AM

    Redskins offense left a lot out on the field against the Ravens; perhaps getting so few snaps early in the game hurt rhythm? who knows….

    As we’ve said for awhile, Redskins must do better against 3 man rush including having QB mobility, to extend plays and picking up yards, being a component that remains missing.

    Need rebound week from Cousins and Jones; even Reed could do better. Cooley expects Kelley to get more carries against Eagles. As bad as Cousins was, there were many more QBs much worse than him. He’s still middle of the pack, both this past Sunday and for the year.

    Continued excellence from WRs. Cooley’s offensive grades:

    Williams 9.4 (A+) – very few mistakes, All-Pro performance
    Garcon 9.0 – excellent
    Jackson 8.5 (B+) – got held a lot but not called; excelled in run blocking
    Crowder 8.3 – when factoring in special teams contributions, an A
    Moses 8.0 – Needs more of a mean streak but had a very good game
    Scherff 7.3 – Not his best game
    Long 7.2 (B-) – areas to work on but still in early start at C
    Reed 7.0 – blocking better but not consistent; more disciplined on some routes; could have done better at YAC
    Davis 7.0 – better in passing situations (8 in pass and 6.5 in run)
    Cousins 6.9 (C+) – Some elite throws to WRs (Jackson, Garcon) by Cousins and great quick decision on botched snap, but I thought Cousins did less in this game compared to Giants and Browns victories; 2nd week in a row with bad interception near our end zone.
    Lauvao 6.6 – Maybe Lauvao wasn’t 100% healthy?
    Jones 5.4 (D) – Good pass protection / YAC after catch, but …fumble; backing into contact; not converting 4th and 1; isn’t seeing the field / holes.

    Cooley liked Thompson (21 plays, A) and Kelley (8 plays) but did not provide numerical grade on them.
    Paul blocked well as FB. Nsekhe is a great swing tackle.

    Only one series ten plays or more / five minutes or more; this is not a recipe for success.

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    • greed - Oct 11, 2016 at 11:58 AM

      as good as COMPTON played FOSTER played an awesome game too PFF had him ranked the 2nd best player of week arnund the leauge , as long as the offense keeps improving dont go to crazy ont the plays / points they have left on field , i agree needs to get it cleaned up but as lmg as they take steps to do that ill rather work out the kinks now and win and then start peaking and fire on all cylinders and really dominate in the money months of nov dec and jan ! HTTR !

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      • redskins12thman - Oct 11, 2016 at 1:43 PM

        Great to hear about Foster!

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        • Trey Gregory - Oct 11, 2016 at 2:41 PM

          Foster was playing possessed. I don’t know what happened. Maybe they had a team meeting or something. But Foster, Hood, and Ihenacho really played hard. Lots of energy. Maybe they were just feeding off each other. I don’t know. But Ihenacho’s energy was a breath of fresh air.

          Ioannidis played with some fire too. It wasn’t quite as noticeable as those 3 but he did. Really quite a few of our guys did I just think those 3 stood out the most.

          It will be interesting to see what happens when Cravens and Breeland get back. Let’s just assume they come back and play well. Our coverage should get better because of Breeland. But I’m not so sure Cravens is an upgrade over Foster if Foster is going to play like that every week. The thing about Cravens though, he can make up for Ihenacho’s sub par coverage skills by taking a TE or maybe even a slot receiver if need be. It will just be interesting to see what they end up doing.

  7. smotion55 - Oct 11, 2016 at 10:14 AM

    Are they just about out of next man up people . Injuries were minimal last week and if Craven’s comes back and hopefully Norman and Kerrigan don’t take a step back and play would be Big. Lanier, Spaight and Whitner are there and what is left is on practice squad that might help. As we know more injuries will come.

    Cooley thinks they should start Rob Kelley, I agree , the O_Line has blocked well enough to be more productive then they have in the run game and Cousins will hopefully play better as the year goes as he gets used to all the different looks the defenses show him this year.

    It is great that the special teams are a big part of the solution instead of being the reason they lose close games. Crowder taking it to the house and Blackmon getting a good return was nice. The coverage teams are good and glad to have Niles Paul back healthy, The kicker and punter very good also.

    I also think that Gruden has done a good job getting quality coaches in here. And I am going to give Dan Snyder a thank you for leaving these guys alone and giving them time to get better. 1 more draft and they should be pretty good . [ 2 D-Linemen Please next year. ]

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    • redskins12thman - Oct 11, 2016 at 10:17 AM

      I really hope Breeland and Cravens can return and play on Sunday versus Eagles.

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    • greed - Oct 11, 2016 at 12:05 PM

      i listen to cooley on 980 and havnt heard him say kelley should start , did however and i agree KELLEY should def get more carries that guy knows how to run that rock !

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    • ET - Oct 11, 2016 at 12:44 PM

      Yeah, Snyder does deserve a little credit for keeping his chubby little rich man fingers out of the coaches’ eyes.

      It only took a decade and a half for him to learn!

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      • snyderisanidiot - Oct 11, 2016 at 10:24 PM

        Snyder never deserves credit for anything, even the good things that he does. This is the same man that hosted a ‘free fan’ day and then when I showed up charged everyone $25 for parking.
        2 Seasons ago I show up again to the dilapidated FedEx Field and Snyder charges me $9 for expired beer from the Olympics.
        Owners can do what they want, its their team, their money, but I do not have to like it.

        RIP John Kent Cooke

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        • chimps000 - Oct 12, 2016 at 9:53 AM

          lol “free fan day”

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 12, 2016 at 1:01 PM

          I’m just curious because I don’t know. But does Snyder own the parking lot? Because a lot of stadiums/venues don’t own the parking lots. They’re huge investment opportunities. There’s also a very good chance he doesn’t own the venders in the stadium and they’re just renting their space.

          Also, not trying to be a jerk, but why would anybody drive to a Redskins game? I took the metro to every game when I lived there. Didn’t want to deal with all that traffic and nonsense. It’s just like a mile walk or less.

          I can’t stand Snyder but none of it has anything to do with the FedEx field experience. I always had a good time there.

  8. mtskins - Oct 11, 2016 at 10:34 AM

    Lane Johnson suspension upheld for the full 10 Games. Barring some more legal moves he will be out for this Sunday’s match up. Defense should be facing a least a somewhat reshuffled line again.

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  9. redskins12thman - Oct 11, 2016 at 10:55 AM

    Minimizing mistakes is very important. Thankfully the Redskins for the most part did this and Ravens did not capitalize on our fumble and interception. We also were much better on tackling and preventing 3rd down conversions too. Outside of interceptions, hope this all continues.

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    • snyderisanidiot - Oct 11, 2016 at 10:08 PM

      We will know a lot about this team after next Sunday. Big test against the high flying Eagles. Gunna need Kirk to finally have his break out game.

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