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CSN: Redskins DC Barry–‘I’m not getting it done’

Oct 6, 2016, 3:00 PM EDT


Perhaps it’s obvious but at least he came out and said it in response to a question. See Tandler’s post on what Barry had to say on

Redskins DC Barry–‘I’m not getting it done’


  1. snyderisanidiot - Oct 6, 2016 at 3:09 PM

    The Players are not getting done also Barry. You can only do but so much from the sideline.
    No one can create a stellar defense with the personell the Redskins have. Its the players its not Barry.

    • redskins12thman - Oct 6, 2016 at 3:16 PM

      My guess is, it’s both coaches and players.

      The players were unprepared for the start of the season; that was one of the coaches’ primary responsibilities.

      Hopefully we can find some D-linemen and safeties who can do better. Hopefully Smith finds his game starting against the Ravens.

      Manusky seems to have had a good effect on Murphy!

  2. RuddyJamesDIO - Oct 6, 2016 at 3:12 PM

    You said it all Joe….now resign!!!

  3. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Oct 6, 2016 at 3:39 PM

    Five stages of grief:

    1) Denial
    2) Anger
    3) Bargaining
    4) Depression
    5) Acceptance

  4. sidepull - Oct 6, 2016 at 3:48 PM

    Genius Joe. Now what?

  5. lezziemcdykerson - Oct 6, 2016 at 4:02 PM

    It’s about 75% execution though. I would fault Barry if players were constantly out of place as a result of the scheme or if he were being stubborn with his scheme. He’s been flexible in first saying he wouldn’t have Norman trail #1 receivers and then backing off of it because it gave us the best chance to win. Wish he’d done it sooner or maybe that had been the game plan from the gate. Developing Cravens, though I’m not sure how much his coaching had to do with that. I think Barry was duped by thinking his D was much better than it was because they were getting picks off Kirk in camp. Now it’s been revealed that Kirk will throw the ball to anyone under pseudo-pressure so Barry might’ve thought he had more to work with defensively. Then there’s the injury bug, not really a fair card to use because all teams deal with them but losing Galette before the start of camp was huge blow. Jarrett not being around hurt our depth and development. Goldson’s release, though not Barry’s job, was his issue to deal with. If we were on here day in and day out complaining about our defense alignment I’d lay the blame on him but since we’re in here complaining about the performances that’s really on Scot for bringing them here and the players for not being good enough.

    • redskins12thman - Oct 6, 2016 at 4:19 PM

      When you say Barry was duped, who was he duped by?

      For instance, I can’t envision a scenario where McCloughan would have brought in Reyes without Barry 1. knowing about it and 2. wanting Reyes in the first place.

      • ET - Oct 6, 2016 at 5:07 PM

        It’s more self-delusion.

        As in “this guy Reyes can still really play! Keep him in.”

        • sidepull - Oct 6, 2016 at 5:16 PM

          He was cut 4 games too late.

      • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 6, 2016 at 6:26 PM

        @redskins Basically what ET said. Joe probably thought our secondary as a unit was stronger than they actually were based off what he saw in camp. We kept hearing Breeland getting picks. Norman was looking good against anyone but Jackson. I believe Dunbar was flashing but Phillips beat him out. When you’re seeing this in camp it’s easy to fall under the impression that our defense has improved when really it looks like Kirk has regressed. Kirk’s last pick was a good play by the defender, could’ve been a better throw but not all on Kirk. The first 3 were thrown right at the defender. So now we have to wonder how many great plays did our DB’s make in practice and how much of it was just Kirk doing a mild Rex Grossman impression?

        Same could be said for Matt Jones vs D Line but maybe to a lesser extent because this should’ve been addressed prior to camp by drafting a quality/value RB/DT. We were hearing in camp that Matt Jones was doing a good job of getting lower, finishing runs, being decisive and not fumbling. We’ve only seen one outing in four games where his performance reflects that early praise. Did they really see improvement or was it just that the D line was that bad? Add to that, Jones is inconsistent with the quality of his runs so when Barry was seeing the D line stop him how much of that was just Jones reverting back to poor technique, which we know he has a tendency to do. I think everyone knew the D line was going to be a weakness. Maybe not to this extent because our LB core was supposedly better and should be masking some of these deficiencies. I think the secondary is really what caught everyone off guard, including myself, because based off early reports this was considered to be a potential strength. But that was based off us thinking that Kirk had progressed as a QB or at the least was as good as he was last year.

        • bangkokben - Oct 6, 2016 at 6:41 PM

          The first interception was tipped at the line at not at all caught by the Steelers linebacker. The NFL didn’t bother to review it because it had no bearing on the game (just the over/under – perhaps – and definitely fantasy games everywhere — potential four point swing) and the NFL wanted to start the next game (LA @ SF).

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 6, 2016 at 7:12 PM

          I believe that’s the second one Bang. JAmes HArrison bobbled it when he went to the ground. Don’t remember Shazier’s INT being tipped but I do remember Kirk staring in that direction before he let it go. So that’s actually worse. The Dlmen even knew where Kirk was going. Smh

        • bangkokben - Oct 6, 2016 at 7:14 PM


      • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 6, 2016 at 6:35 PM

        “For instance, I can’t envision a scenario where McCloughan would have brought in Reyes without Barry 1. knowing about it and 2. wanting Reyes in the first place.” Sorry didn’t see this part.

        I’m not sure how the division of labor is allotted at Redskins Park. We just went through a whole big mess with a coach/GM so I wouldn’t be completely shocked if the coaches are really “input only” and Scot has the final say. Scot may not even consult the coaches when bringing guys in for workouts. I believe the coach’s evaluations of the players, their input, is valued but they can only evaluate what is here. Bringing players here is Scot’s job so when assessing blame I’d just need to know more. I’m not 100% sure that Jay can bring guys in though he probably can lobby for them to Scot.

    • sidepull - Oct 6, 2016 at 4:58 PM

      Yea Joe is not tackling anybody and the D may have a total different feel and look with Gallette and Jarrett. I do like the fact that they have a good amount of takeaways. Credit due. But he is after-all in charge of that defense and it is not very good. What do you think would help him endear himself to players and fans? What do you think he has to do? His track record is already not in his favor. He had worse personnel in Detroit. I love organizations with stability in the organization. But I am not so sure this guy is going to make it over the long haul. Do you see him hear for the next few years? Is he getting a bad rap because of the players he agreed to coach? Do you like his blitz packages and adjustments? BTW Scot did not bring him hear. He was clear about that. That was all Gruden.

      • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 6, 2016 at 7:04 PM

        “But he is after-all in charge of that defense and it is not very good. What do you think would help him endear himself to players and fans?”

        I think it’s less about endearing himself to us and more so to his team. I really think the best thing for Joe is to not lose the locker room. As bad as this defense is now, imagine if they quit on him because he wasn’t taking the blame and calling players out instead. I mean lighting a fire under players is great but you do it too early and you come off as panicky. The team assumes the coaches identity so if he creates panic guys will pack it in for next year. I think Joe is doing exactly what he should be doing right now, falling on the sword for his team. THAT’S what guys will play their hearts out for.

        “But I am not so sure this guy is going to make it over the long haul. Do you see him hear for the next few years?”
        What’s a few years? I think that will all depend on his relationship with the front office. Scot knows this defense is a sh*t show, he can’t put it all on Barry. I know the NFL is prone to coaching carousels but Scot seems to be a more traditional GM, less of a football guy more of a business man. From a business standpoint high turnover is bad in any industry so I lean towards Scot letting him prove himself once we get some more solid pieces in place. After all this is virtually the same sorry defense that overachieved and got us to the playoffs and could’ve damn well beat the Pack if called a timeout and got the right players back on the field. Really the fans need to not put the pressure on that situation. Breaking up the band isn’t going to fix anything.

        “Is he getting a bad rap because of the players he agreed to coach?”
        He’s getting a bad rap because that’s the nature of the business. For whatever reason when it comes to defenses sh*t, is like the Mississippi it, rolls uphill/stream (sounded better in my head). Whenever a defense falters it’s always on the coaches. Whenever the offense stumbles the players need to play better. That’s just the nature of the NFL. Barry can only agree to work with who is brought in so if it’s a problem with the players that’s a MADTV guy problem. No GM is going to hit on every FA, I’d guess that number is probably around 20-25% and that feels kind of high to me. Look at Mason Foster, last year we thought we had found a streak of gold and he’s since disappeared into the bushes with Homer. But then look at Dustin Hopkins or his predecessor Forbath who basically pulled a Mason Foster. FA is a crap shoot so we should really be happy that these bums are only here for the time being and not on long term front loaded, or loaded period, contracts.

        ” Do you like his blitz packages and adjustments?”
        Saw this posed the other day and I just don’t understand what people want. I get that most of this is coming from frustration but just imagine what Barry is going through. Our secondary is not strong enough to sustain blitzing. We send a corner on a blitz and the LB that has to cover that receiver is going to be eaten alive. We leave our CB’s out there without safety help we’re going to be eaten alive. We send an extra LB and they won’t even have to pass, they can run right through our blitz because our front 7 and half of our back 4 can’t tackle. To answer your question I like blitzing more than I like the personnel here to execute it. Adjustments I like. He’s got Norman “neutralizing” the #1 option. He’s going with the hot hand and getting Cravens more PT. Accountability in rotating Murphy into the lineup because Kerrigan and Smith weren’t getting it done. The adjustments are actually working it’s just only so much adjusting you can do from week to week, quarter to quarter before guys start to wonder whether you actually had a plan to begin with.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 6, 2016 at 9:16 PM

          You lost me after the 40,506 word your typical painfull comments loaded with hyperbolic statements.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 6, 2016 at 9:40 PM

          Well you asked 900 questions and I answered them. Have fun in traffic buddy.

  6. bullets2586 - Oct 6, 2016 at 4:44 PM

    Been saying for weeks he needs to go. The defense needs a new coordinator with a fresh look at what we got and new ways of trying to make it work. Barry has not progressed and needs to go.

  7. snyderisanidiot - Oct 6, 2016 at 5:09 PM

    Haslett was no good. Barry is no good. I see a pattern here. I blame the coaches for nothing in Washington. Shanahan should still be here. Did not he draft our QB that is starting right now?
    It is not the coaches folks, the personell is simply not that good on the defensive of the ball.
    The defensive line must be the worst in the NFL. Even our guys like dependable Kerrigan are playing like sh|t right now. No coach can win given the circumstances. The players do not even respect the coaches anyway.

  8. COSSkinsFan - Oct 6, 2016 at 7:21 PM

    So I’m no fan of Barry’s. I’m not sure he will ever get a fair shake unless he has a top 10 d because there were other more qualified candidates when he was hired. I wanted him gone after last year, but it being his first year and with the plethora of injuries I can see giving him another chance. I don’t think he has shown anything to keep him after this year. It would be interesting to see how our defensive rankings would be if our guys could make routine tackles and I don’t place the blame for missed tackles on him. Turnovers have saved us, hopefully that continues and we can tackle better.

  9. hrrcyberdemon - Oct 6, 2016 at 7:24 PM

    We had Wade Philips in the building, and we let him walk and instead, went with Barry. Detroit sucks, San Diego sucks all Barry’s resume’. Now our Defense sucks. I do see a pattern. Wonder if Scot sees it too.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 6, 2016 at 8:38 PM

      Denver is loaded on almost every position on defense. I could coach that defense to victory

  10. redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 6, 2016 at 8:37 PM

    Two above average cornerbacks and outside linebackers isn’t enough to make a defense. The fact is that Barry has very little to work with. Can you name more than 5 defensive players on this team that would be able to start elsewhere?

    The talent is seriously lacking and has a LONG way to go.

    • snyderisanidiot - Oct 6, 2016 at 9:16 PM

      The crazy thing is, I actually tried what you said I can NOT name more than 5 players that would start elsewhere. Hopefully, Cousins can score over 30 a game to keep us competitive.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 6, 2016 at 9:22 PM

        I think that was the original plan for the season.

      • COSSkinsFan - Oct 6, 2016 at 10:02 PM

        This defense does need an infusion of talent. I’m sure Scott knows this. Hopefully we work to heavily upgrade the defense, which could include DC in the offseason and become a legit contender. I think Barry is probably an average defensive coordinator and with good pieces, we can have an average defense with him. Not everyone can be a Capers, Phillips, Williams, Schwartz Tomlin or Lewis. These guys make good defenses despite having talent deficiencies. If someone of their caliber becomes available in say go for it. 2 corners and 2 outside linebackers are about all we have right now, probably Baker and possibly a 3rd outside linebacker who would start for other teams. Possibly Compton if he starts playing like last year. His greatest attributes was getting us into the right defense and it hasn’t appeared as effective this season.

      • bullets2586 - Oct 7, 2016 at 11:42 AM

        Galette, kerrigan, breeland, norman, smith, fuller. that’s six Archives

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