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Poll: Grade the Redskins’ win over the Browns

Oct 3, 2016, 9:00 AM EDT

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  1. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Oct 3, 2016 at 9:13 AM

    I go with “B.”

    The Browns have some good young players, but that whole team was just torn down and they’re starting over from the ground up. There’s a reason they’re 0 and 4, and there’s a reason we almost handed them their 1st win…we can’t stop any team’s running game, and we can’t get off the field on 3rd down.

  2. Jonathan Whitt - Oct 3, 2016 at 9:56 AM

    Fortunately the redskins won this game I’m no pro but I see a whole bunch of problems with this team and don’t see a whole lot of wins for my redskins down the road unfortunately so I grade them a d alot of it is on the coaching poor poor play design wrong play calling at the wrong time bad coaches there talent is limited so are team is limited Dan Snyder should have never ran off the Shanahan’s

    • Rich Tandler - Oct 3, 2016 at 12:34 PM

      Two straight wins and people are pining for the Shanahans?

      • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 4, 2016 at 7:13 PM

        I wouldn’t say I’m pining for them but certainly was against the move when it happened. Just wish we all could’ve got along. If RGIII could’ve mastered the slide or throw away… three more ifs and a but.. that’s not what happened. Can’t help but wonder what a Shanny X MADTV guy team would’ve looked like. Assuming we would be in the market for a GM and fired who needed to be fired, Bruce.

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 4, 2016 at 7:28 PM

          Shannahan was the GM though right? He selected the players in the draft and free agency and Bruce just dealt with the business side? So I don’t think we would have gotten McCloughan unless Shannahan gave that up.

          I too felt Shannahan got too much blame for things that were out of his control. Or at least think he’s a good coach. Maybe not a great GM though. But things were spiraling out of control with him. I’m happy with the Gruden/McCloughan team. I want to see these guys (Barry included) get more talent before I decide if they’re good or bad coaches.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 4, 2016 at 7:50 PM

          That’s why I said assuming we were in the market for one. Strip Shanny of GM duties have him confer with Scot but not making final decisions. Bruce can go. Superfluous.. Or just give him some glorified title in the front office if we’re married to him. I’m undecided on Gruden. For a QB whisperer RGIII was a bust project and Kirk hasn’t progressed as much as I would like for someone who is a “specialist” in developing QBs.

    • Trey Gregory - Oct 3, 2016 at 3:01 PM

      What are some specific examples of poor play design from that game and wrong play calling? What specifically could they have done better?

      • Cory Yates - Oct 3, 2016 at 11:43 PM

        Base defense with simple stunts, no exotic disguises or blitzes. No corner blitzes, delayed safety blitz, DE’s dropping into coverage with an overload on the other side. We beat the Cowboys in Dallas with Colt McCoy mainly because of a defense doing a lot of deception. Lined 7-8 guys up at the line and made the O-line have to guess who’s coming. What ever happened to these types of play calls?

        • John - Oct 4, 2016 at 2:12 PM

          This defense lacks talent. If they had Wade Phillips, they might be a little better but not by much. Phillips has been good through the years by having good to great talent to work with. Denver makes any coordinator look good. He had good talent in Houston, Dallas and San Diego. We don’t have the horses up front. If we bring 5 or 6, we lose more than we win. Remember all the blown zero blitzes under Haz?

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 4, 2016 at 7:26 PM

          Our defense is not ready for corner blitzes. Really any blitz we send can be defeated by a quick throw. Disguised or not our back end hasn’t developed enough to thrive in man situations n critical downs. If we blitz it needs to be random not on 3d when everyone is expecting it.

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 5, 2016 at 2:46 AM

          Exactly. If we blitz we’re going to get picked apart. There’s a reason DCs don’t blitz on every down.

          And we’re hardly ever in base so I’m not sure what you mean there Cody. I have noticed the stunts but I think they’re generally working so why not keep doing them?

          I could stand some more zone blitz packages. But the. We’re doing stuff like dropping Smith into coverage (who is awful in coverage) and rushing someone like Bruton or Compton (who have both been awful at everything).

          I guess my point is that the team doesn’t have the talent to get away with much. There’s cause and effect. Our corners are not built for man coverage. We’ve been drafting zone corners and that’s what Norman is too. I also think we’re too young and inexperienced in this system to get too exotic without confusing guys. We had significant turnover from last season. If we rush too many they’ll drop a quick pass that turns into 30 yards. If we drop too many in coverage then the pass rush won’t get any pressure and we will still get picked apart. The best course of action for a defense with this level of talent is to probably stay as balanced as possible. Rush 4 and drop into a 7 man cover 2 or cover 3 zone on the majority of plays. If everyone executes their assignments and actually tackle, then we look a lot better. I think it’s been more about the players executing the current scheme poorly than the scheme itself being bad.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 5, 2016 at 4:34 PM

          It’s been all execution on the defense. Maybe the only knock I can give the coaches was not letting Norman shadow AB and waiting 9 quarters to have him shadow Dez. Other than that our players have been in good positions to make plays they just SUCKerry SUCKandGassed #SylvesterVoice Idk what else Joe can do.. can he fine players for arm tackling? No for real. Can we start doing that?

      • lezziemcdykerson - Oct 4, 2016 at 7:24 PM

        I can’t think of the play but it was like 3rd and 8 and they handed it off to Jones and he didn’t even look for a better option he just ran right into the pile and gained a cloud of dust for us. I would’ve liked to see some more play action or delayed handoffs. Our rushing attack isn’t good enough to just be conventional. Just like Kirk, as of now, has shown us he isn’t good enough to just be a dropback passer he needs to be rolling out some bootleg action (which is why more play action would’ve helped) to be successful. I think a few delayed handoffs would’ve helped in obvious passing downs. Jones was productive enough the few seconds the LB or S is dropping into coverage could’ve been all we needed to gain a few extra yds and actually convert on first. Get Kelly some playing time. I feel like if the run was working, we know what Jones can give us while he’s going but why not see what Robert can do? Especially given that Jones isn’t exactly a pillar of durability. We’re coming up on some short weeks and important games. I wouldn’t want this sudden increase of work to fatigue Jones. Try to develop a 2 headed monster or at least 2 guys that can equal the production of a true #1.

  3. chimps000 - Oct 3, 2016 at 10:04 AM


    good game plan by mcvay/gruden going back to the 3 step drop quick throw coupled with a strong run game. Takes advantage of Kirk’s best skill, the quick release and he can be accurate in the short game when he is in rhythm. My question is was that success also in part due to the browns defense not following the steelers gameplan of dropping 8 and flooding the short zones? I don’t know, just wondering, seemed like the browns generally rushed at least 4, but i was watching at a bar might have missed some.

    Kirk had that great play where he scrambled and made a perfect throw to reed in the end zone, that play had been missing up until this game. He also had that great strong throw to reed on the slant in the end zone.

    • ET - Oct 3, 2016 at 12:01 PM

      I’m going with a B-minus as well.

      On the plus side, it was great to see Reed and Jones involved and a relief to see some red zone success.

      On the minus side, our D remains terrifyingly bad against the run and once again managed to make a rookie QB look like a seasoned veteran. Thank God for the timely takeaways.

    • Trey Gregory - Oct 3, 2016 at 3:28 PM

      I would give them a B if not for Cousins’ two sacks that took 3 off the board. And B in context of this team, not a team like Pittsburgh. They get a C because of those sacks, the tackling, playing Norman in man, probably not throwing to Desean enough, that pick, and probably some other stuff I’m forgetting.

      But it was great to see the run game get going, the turnovers, to throw some Redzone TDs, come from behind win and some young guys step up. If they can keep that momentum in the run then the outlook for this team will get better.

  4. redskins12thman - Oct 3, 2016 at 10:19 AM

    The Browns are a dangerous offense but not like the Ravens if for no other reason than Flacco is better than Kessler.

    The Raiders played a strong game against the Ravens and eked out a one point win. I don’t see the Redskins being in the game against the Ravens. I hope I’m wrong and I hope someone can convince me how the Redskins defense will stop the Ravens offense.

  5. metalman5150 - Oct 3, 2016 at 10:32 AM

    well – the espn980 mobile app DEOS NOT stream the 980 call. instead, you must download the REDSKINS mobile app OR use a web browser for the desktop broadcast.

    to finish 2&2 after four games, and being 0-2 to start the season – I think our team has clawed their way back into the fold. Kirk must remain poised, confident and play smart!!!

    • ajbus1 - Oct 3, 2016 at 7:38 PM

      I use an app called Pro Football Radio. The icon is green with an antenna on it. And it’s free. I highly recommend it.

  6. Eli - Oct 3, 2016 at 10:40 AM

    Good pass and run balance last week: 35/30; 27/26 this week. The Skins also won the TO battle in the previous two games as well. Winning the TO battle and achieving balance offensively will be the key to having a chance of defeating the Ravens. It’s a simple game.

  7. firesnyder - Oct 3, 2016 at 12:55 PM

    C+ — damn, our run defense is AWFUL. I know this is cliche and I know Pot Roast was cut by New England, but c’mon, we need a run stuffer. Cleveland is a good running football team so our weakness was magnified, but still we have to do something or we will have zero shot at the playoffs.

    On the plus side, Kirk keeps getting better every week and I think the last 2 games have continued to build his confidence. Getting J Reed involved in the red zone was essential and we did that. I was at the game and I’m pretty sure I saw a safety consistently cheating over the top of DeSean which was why Reed was open a lot. Honestly, we need to throw toward DJax more often even if its purposely uncatchable. He draws calls AND the defense literally poops their pants. Throwing toward Djax opens the run game AND ensures other wideouts and tight ends will have a better chance of being open.

    Peace! Good win, except it took a little too long in my book. It was the Browns… shoulda been over long before mid-4th quarter.

    • ajbus1 - Oct 3, 2016 at 7:52 PM

      I also gave them a C and agree with your assessment 100%.

  8. snyderisanidiot - Oct 3, 2016 at 1:04 PM


    HORRIBLE Clock Management by Gruden. AWFUL! How in the hell does he let the half end like that.

    Cousins: Still Shaky. Seems timid and unsure of himself. Last year he was letting the ball go with more confidence.

    Run Defense: This is some of the worst run stopping I have ever seen along with the tackling. We are not going far with this defense, and that is for sure. Bring in PotRoast. It can not hurt.

    • COSSkinsFan - Oct 3, 2016 at 4:10 PM

      Clock management is not Gruden’s strength. I was upset in the Dallas game when they called time out to kick a field goal before the half with, I believe about 26 seconds left. If you were kicking the field goal, why wouldn’t you run the clock as low as possible? Luckily Dallas didn’t turn it into more points. It seems in a lot instances we play not to lose, instead of playing to win. I remember last year we mismanaged time before halftime in the Miami game and they got a td before the have. A point of frustration is once you get to this level, these clock management mistakes shouldn’t be repeatedly happening.

    • skinsgame - Oct 4, 2016 at 7:50 AM

      “Bring in Pot Roast!” But Dan Snyder the billionaire is an idiot? OK. Knighton was awful. He was pushed into other defenders, clogged pass rush lanes and there is no evidence the run defense was any better with him aboard. He’s done.

      • snyderisanidiot - Oct 4, 2016 at 5:26 PM

        Oh Come On Now. Pot Roast was not that bad. At least he occupied some space in the middle of the field. You can not say he is worse than what we got now.
        However, I remember you from awhile back. You were one of the old Rg3 holdout fans. Always whining about Rob and I am the idiot?

        • Trey Gregory - Oct 5, 2016 at 2:37 AM

          Pot Roast wasn’t a great player but he wasn’t that bad. I agree that he’s better than what we have right now. I mean sign him and put him on the bench for depth for crying out loud. What do we do if Hood gets hurt? Play Ioannidis? Are you kidding me?

        • skinsgame - Oct 5, 2016 at 5:35 AM

          HA! I was no fan of RG. You are imagining things and confusing me with someone else. I didn’t call you an idiot.

  9. sidepull - Oct 3, 2016 at 1:28 PM

    The Offense is scoring now, and it will even get better once Kirk settles.
    Our kickers are just fantastic.
    The Defense is generating turnovers. But they are getting gashed with poor run defense and poor tackling.
    This team has injuries, has poor run defense and need to make every visit to their red-zone count. TDs please.

  10. hrrcyberdemon - Oct 3, 2016 at 1:31 PM

    F – and I’m not signing up for twitter just to do a poll.

    • ajbus1 - Oct 3, 2016 at 7:54 PM


  11. greed - Oct 3, 2016 at 2:29 PM

    c+ 2 of the 3 phases were solid , the run D is an dissaster , the one thing we know is there is a lack of talent other than baker upfront with the big uglies , in saying that its up to JBarry to scheme up ways to stop run either run blitz go to a 4-3 or 5-2 set, something has to be done to compensate for the lack of size and girth in the middle, at this point i guess theyre not going to explore a trade or bring back potroast its one of the reasons the Linebackers cant never scrape the run lanes theyre constantly fighting off blockers, if they dont come up with some sort of solution and i mean fast its going to be a long frustrating season! Cant keep relying of timely caused fumbles and int to save the day every week

  12. redskins12thman - Oct 3, 2016 at 2:56 PM

    Redskins offense: A-
    Redskins special teams: A
    Redskins defense: D- (tackling, opponent 3rd down conversion, run defense were really bad)

    Overall grade: B-

  13. wncskinsfan - Oct 3, 2016 at 3:49 PM

    C. We beat the Browns. Offense looked alright, esp. the run game . . . against the Browns. ST looked fine, glad we have great kickers. The defense . . . at times i thought maybe Coach Joe was trying to lose the game. And that was against the Browns. I am not at all confident about this team as we approach the harder part of the schedule. Poor tackling, no pass rush, shotty run defense, very vanilla schemes. Depth is looking like it could be a problem.

    But anyway, we beat the Browns. I appreciate Josh Norman, nice move by Scot. He seems to be the only thing that has kept Coach Joe from getting canned. Which cant happen soon enough.

  14. vcuramsfan - Oct 3, 2016 at 4:46 PM


    D – Worst tackling I have ever seen at the NFL level – but, they are amazing at forcing turnovers, which cancels out bad play considerably.

    O – They are good and I can see them getting better each week if they can stay healthy.

    Special Teams – great kicker/punter combo. And since no one returns kicks these days, we don’t even have to cover well, but the cover teams have been solid on the rare instances it is required.

    Coaching – Gruden has no idea how to manage a clock – can’t they just pay someone do tell him when to call a TO?

  15. smotion55 - Oct 3, 2016 at 5:07 PM

    seeing Fuller ,Kouandjio and even Ioanidis got on the field was good. The crowd was great and I thought it was rather funny the wave was done [ 95% of fans participated ]. Everybody by that time was tired of cheering during a bad Cousins and or offensive stretch . It seemed to spark the fans and the teem . kind of weird.

    The grade is no better than a c-. Lousy tackling and no D-line to speak of on run plays. Why it takes Jones until the 3rd quarter to lower his pads and hit a hole is troubling. Cousins seemed to sleep walk for the 2nd and most of the 3rd quarters. Without the turnovers Cleveland wins going away.

    • chimps000 - Oct 3, 2016 at 7:21 PM

      but at least cousins was definitely better- his best game of the year.

      Matt Jones ran decently in the second half. I don’t think he is very talented, to me his ceiling is as a very average back, I thought Crowell (who was an undrafted free agent) looked to be a superior player, but hey I’ll take it.

      I still can’t understand why Gruden doesn’t play Rob Kelley, its not like Jones looks so good that we can’t spare snaps for Kelley, and personally I suspect Kelley could be more effective than Jones.

      • Trey Gregory - Oct 4, 2016 at 12:51 AM

        I don’t see that buddy. When I look at Matt Jones I see a monster waiting to break out. Sure, he’s taking longer to develop than some guys. But he has the size and speed to be very good. He also has good hands and seems to enjoy running hard and contact.

        The problem is that we’ve mostly seen him running too upright, with bad blocking, hurt, and with only a few carries sprinkled in. But he looked good against Dallas and Cleveland. He looked a lot better in my opinion. The guy hasn’t played like a special back so far but I think we haven’t even come close to seeing his ceiling. He didn’t get a lot of carries in college so he came in the NFL behind the curve. Then he didn’t get a lot of carries as a rookie. He’s still developing. So he will still run too upright, maybe hit a hole too fast, not hit a hole fast enough, try to dance instead of truck someone, and make other errors from time to time. The only that that really gets better is actual game reps. Keep feeding him and watch him grow.

        I like Kelley’s potential a lot too. But I have to see more. We’ve only seen enough to get intreagued but not really enough to know what he is. I’m all for giving R. Kelley more carries though.

        • chimps000 - Oct 4, 2016 at 6:56 AM

          Yea we can agree to disagree.

          Jones is a second year back, sure he can improve. I don’t see great speed, I don’t see great burst (crowell the undrafted FA is better on both counts and it’s not close), and matt jones goes down in general too easy for a guy who is supposed to be so big and strong. Alf Morris his rookie year got way more yards after contact that jones ever has, and it’s not close.

          I think people aren’t comparing jones to backs around the league, in a vacuum in the second half with good holes he looked decent. Christian Okoye was huge, but he ran huge (for a couple seasons at least before injuries piled up). People love jones height and weight but it doesn’t translate to power or burst on the field.

        • chimps000 - Oct 4, 2016 at 8:44 AM

          i’m not saying jones didn’t look competent- he did in the second half.

          I’m just saying if you compare him to his peers around the league, he would be in the bottom half of starters if not bottom quarter- not a bust, but just a guy. At least in the second half he looked competent, decent, and against dallas he looked decent, and I’ll take

  16. Skulb - Oct 3, 2016 at 6:51 PM

    I’m baffled by the optimism among the fans after these two games. The defense is #32 in third down conversions, more than 10% worse than the team ranked at #31. We are so amazingly bad on defense that it is mind boggling. And just in case we were not already bad enough we got about six injuries on the defense in the Browns game. We can not beat a good team with this defense unless the offense scores a TD on every single drive.
    Turnovers are the reason we have any wins at all. And of course all the blind fans are somehow managing to blame Cousins for the bad defense. That’s mind boggling too. Might as well blame Drew Brees for the Saints being bad.

    • snyderisanidiot - Oct 3, 2016 at 8:20 PM

      It is shocking how bad the defense is. There is no way we make the playoffs with that squad.
      A couple bright spots here and there. Trent Murphy has been great, Rich should do a write up about how well he has developed in the 3 years he has been here.
      Otherwise, the defense is a liability, and I am not the biggest Barry fan either.

      • Trey Gregory - Oct 4, 2016 at 12:28 AM

        Murphy and Norman have both been consistent bright spots on D. That’s about it. I wouldn’t argue if someone added Cravens to that list. He hasn’t played a ton, and he’s been a little inconsistent. But he’s definitely flashed and looks like he will be a good player for us. The forced fumbles and interceptions have been another bright spot.

        Let’s let the season play out and see who really shines and who was a dud when there’s more of a sample size. Dunbar, for example, had barely seen the field but grabbed a spectacular 1-hand INT as soon as he was out there.

        Give Fuller 4-5 starts and I’ll bet he starts to look a lot better.

        I know people are kind of down on Kerrigan right now but he’s had a sack in two games, a forced fumble (with the first sack), and has gotten pressure when he dials it up. He plays contain a lot and doesn’t really go after the QB (which is what he’s supposed to do) but he has put a couple big tackles on skates when it was 3rd down and we needed pressure. Let him get healthy and let’s see. Kerrigan is a talented guy who should put it together.

        Remember Smith didn’t look like anything special this time last year. He’s been bad so far in my opinion whith a good play here and there. It could end up clicking for him and he could become that solid edge rusher we all hoped for.

        I think Baker has been playing hurt. More hurt than he’s letting on. He seemed to barely move against Dallas. I expect to see his play improve at some point when he gets better. If that takes him sitting out a couple weeks then do it. Because he’s not himself right now and we need him.

        Murphy is my guy. He should continue to get more reps and keep producing. But he’s had a couple bad plays too. He’s missed some tackles or got blocked way too easy. I’m hoping it’s rust from him not getting a whole lot of action weeks 1 and 2. If he can clean up those little mistakes then suddenly we have a good nickel DE to play with Baker.

        Blackmon could end up settling in and be an upgrade at safety for us. Crazier things have happened. But I also think it’s time to look outside the organization for help at multiple positions including safety. It’s time.

        I haven’t given up on Breeland either. This injury could be a blessing in disguise. He was shell shocked after week 1 and never recovered. He will get that chance now and should come back as a very good #2 corner. Maybe top 20ish?

        Compton has looked bad. Just bad. I can’t make excuses for him anymore. But we’ve seen him play better and I’ll say at least it seems like he cares and playing poorly bothers him. It wouldn’t shock me if he turns it around and plays like last year again.

        That’s my dose of optimism for you guys. This defense will never be great but they are capable of more. We just need the few decent players we have to step up. After all the guys I listed there’s still Hood, Ihenacho, Reyes, Jenkins, Bruton, RJF, and Tolar who have at least played well at one point in their career, even if just for a moment. Maybe they can regain some of that. Then Spaight, Bates, Phillips, Everett, Ioannidis, and Lanier who could end up developing and surprising us. It’s not like Dunbar and Jarrett were on anyone’s radar this time last year. You never know. Don’t get me wrong, I doubt it, but you never know.

  17. bangkokben - Oct 3, 2016 at 7:16 PM

    B minus

    Finding a way to win is what every team has to do. Sometimes it’s how you draw it up and other times you have to adjust and adapt. Regardless of the opponent, a win is a significant achievement “up here” and should be celebrated. It doesn’t mean you played perfectly but buys you time to work toward perfection.

    Lots of miserable fans griping. Seems they have their goals confused. You play to win. Playing well is the best means to reach that goal not the goal in itself. You can play well and lose and that’s supposed to make you feel good? If it does you’ve lost a lot and at least that time you gave and got your max. Give yourself a pat on the back and an orange slice. Winning while playing poorly allows you make improvements while keeping your end goals in sight. Enjoy the journey.

    • Trey Gregory - Oct 4, 2016 at 12:40 AM

      It can be argued that every team who won got an A and every team who lost got an F. Because that’s what this industry is about. They’re either professional winners or losers. No middle ground. A tie is a loss. Go to a Super Bowl, but lose, then you’ve failed. Throw 4 ints, but win, and you succeed. That’s just the way it is.

      There’s no such thing as an easy game in the NFL. Go ask all the players who were injured in that game if the Browns are easy to beat. Josh Norman is an elite CB but was getting worked for a little bit in that game. Danny Shelton is one of the highest drafted nose tackles over the last few years. Ask the O-line if he was easy to block. Joe Haden is an elite corner himself. Ask Desean if it was easy to play against him. And so on.

      We were the better team but it was still a fight against a NFL team with a good coach and a lot of young talent. And JP Finley tweeted out that the Redskins were not happy after the win. I assume because they aren’t satisfied with playing like that. That’s a whole different win for the fans. Our team cares about getting better. That’s fantastic. Learn how to enjoy these things guys.

  18. snyderisanidiot - Oct 3, 2016 at 8:14 PM

    I would like to give a shout out to Redskins leading pass rusher and sack artist Trent Murphy.
    Trent has played some amazing football, Star of the defense. Way to go Trent in your third year!

    • Trey Gregory - Oct 4, 2016 at 12:43 AM

      If you look at his combine numbers, the only area he was really bad in was bench press. He didn’t have a lot of strength. And they asked him to trim down or keep the weight off. It shouldn’t surprise anyone that he plays better with 30 extra pounds of muscle. That helped with his weakness. He was also dropped into coverage 80% of them time before this season. The guy is more DE than OLB but we asked him to move backward. It was just a misuse of his talents. But they figured it out and now he can roll. Trent Murphy is a nickel DE in a 3-4 and can get you 8-10 sacks a season if you let him. Archives

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