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Need to Know: First thoughts on Redskins vs. Browns—Too obvious to be a trap

Sep 28, 2016, 5:23 AM EDT


Here is what you need to know on this Wednesday, September 28, four days before the Washington Redskins host the Cleveland Browns.


Today’s schedule: Practice 1:00; Kirk Cousins and Jay Gruden news conferences and player availability after practice, approx. 3 p.m.

Days until: Redskins @ Ravens 11; Eagles @ Redskins 18; Redskins vs. Bengals in London 33

First thoughts on Redskins vs. Browns

—This game is so much a trap that it’s not a trap. It is way too obvious that the Redskins have to be careful not to overlook a Cleveland team that went to Miami and took the Dolphins to overtime last Sunday. The danger of taking them lightly and getting upset is staring them right in the face. The Redskins may lose but not because they were caught off guard.

—It also should be painfully obvious to the Redskins that they have to be careful not to beaten by a rookie quarterback who was taken in the middle rounds. Actually, Cody Kessler was taken ahead of Dak Prescott. Kessler was a third-round pick and he played pretty well against the Miami, completing 64 percent of his passing with no interceptions and a respectable passer rating of 85.9. Certainly Prescott has more talent around him, particularly on the offensive line. But Kessler has some ability and could be dangerous.

—Kessler’s primary target is Terrelle Pryor, the quarterback turned receiver who got it done in a few different ways against the Dolphins, catching eight passes for 144 yards and taking 14 snaps at quarterback. Pryor went three of five passing and ran for 21 yards. His primary role will remain as a receiver and while he’s not good enough to warrant Josh Norman one-on-one coverage he is talented enough to do some damage.

—Kessler has a good pair of running backs to hand off to. Primary back Isiah Crowell is second in the NFL with 274 yards rushing. He tore off an 85-yard run against the Ravens, a run that considerably helps his average of 6.1 yards per carry. Duke Johnson is averaging 6.4 yards per attempt on his 16 carries.

—The crowd that screams about wanting the Redskins to run the ball more might remain angry after this game. It looks like the air is the best way to go about attacking the Browns. They are 20th in the league allowing 7.4 yards per pass attempt and 13th allowing 3.9 yards per rushing attempt.

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  1. garg8050 - Sep 28, 2016 at 5:36 AM

    The Browns may be lacking in talent, but they will play hard. The ‘Skins need to come out aggressively and take control of the game early. The longer the Browns are able to stay in the game, the more confidence they will gain. I definitely would stick Norman on Pryor; why not?? If he’s there most talented WR, let’s blanket him with our best cover corner and limit his touches. Most Young QBs will look to the TE or RBs out of the backfield. I think we see a lot of Cravens in this game as well.

    Come to play and I see a ‘Skins victory, something along the lines of 34-16.

    • redskins12thman - Sep 28, 2016 at 8:44 AM

      Against the Ravens, the Browns got out to a 20-2 lead in the first quarter and then let it slowly slip away, not scoring the remainder of the game. But the Browns played the Eagles closer than the Steelers did and only lost to the Dolphins because their newly signed kicked missed three makable (41, 42 & 46 yard) field goals; Parker just needed to make one of those three to pull out the win. The Redskins need to start off strong on Sunday because the Browns are desperate for a win and have been very competitive in spite of the QB carousel.

      The Browns do not lack offensive talent. Crowell and Johnson split duties and, as Rich indicated, average 6+ yards per carry; the Redskins MUST stop the run but these RBs can catch balls out of the backfield too, especially Johnson who is their 2nd leading receiver. Pryor is a freak of an athlete that can do heavy damage (YAC and deep ball), Barnidge caught five of six targets on Sunday averaging over ten yards per catch and Hawkins has 4.3 speed and smarts (we’re lucky that Coleman is out but Hawkins can’t be ignored).

      Kessler is another young QB demonstrating composure this season and expect him to be comfortable in the pocket even under pressure. Hopefully Cravens can help us with Kessler assessment. Pryor lines up as QB too, running for more than 5 yards per carry and passing with an 80+ rating on 100 point scale. Ricardo Lewis is third wide receiver.

      Some Browns challenge areas besides field goals: RT Austin Pastor has a couple of false starts, and more holding penalties and sacks allowed. Spencer Drango, back-up tackle, hasn’t looked better. Whichever defender is lined up on that side better produce.

      The injury bug has hit Browns hard beyond just RGIII, McCown and Crawford. Starting OLB Nate Orchard will be out for awhile. Like the Redskins, the Browns are battling injuries in the secondary. Starting strong safety Ibrahim Campbell was out with a hamstring injury but Derrick Kindred filled in ably. CBs Joe Haden (starting) and Tramon Williams (4th string) are day to day but expect them to be available to play. Starting center Cameron Erving suffered a pulmonary contusion against the Ravens, so like us, Guard (John Greco) played there; Austin Reiter couldn’t beat out Greco.

      Browns defense is feisty and opportunistic including four picks so far. Paea was graded as one of the Browns’ best defenders against Miami by PFF but DB Jordan Poyer and LBs Christian Kirksey and Demario Davis contribute the most. The Browns are very confident in their defense as they deferred receiving ball in OT.

      I’m sure they’ve pumped Reiter, Paea and RGIII for all things Redskins.

      Top four Redskins defensive players were Norman (8.5), Murphy (8.2) Baker (8.0) and Smith (8.0). Really pleased with Murphy stepping up and we need a second strong game from all of them and others.

  2. colorofmyskinz - Sep 28, 2016 at 5:44 AM

    These guys better not underestimate the Browns. This is not a throwaway game. We are not good enough and have not proved anything to think this one goes in the win column. We have many injuries to recover from and secure a new look. Fortunately our injuries were in places sure we were thinking the bench needed to happen, pure luck. Long is a better option from what I saw. Fuller is better than Phillips, and from the one half it looked like Blackmon was better than DHall. Lauvao was the only one that really hurt. Normally losing 4 starters would be devastating. But in this case I actually think we evolve and improve. We just need to gel in this new look now.

    We are going to struggle to stop their run. We really need to learn how to tackle better. Most of our run stopping falls on the second level because our first level D just gets pushed all over the place. So Comp, Foster, Cravens, and hopefully Spaight will step up here. We need to get Spaight on the field. He is a run stopping tackling machine. I know he is the Mic backup for comp, but I would like to see him next to comp. I think you can place Sua in for Bruton, and Spaight next to Comp and then we have something to show. That would be a force.


    • garg8050 - Sep 28, 2016 at 5:52 AM

      I would put 8 in the box on 1st and 2nd down, and let Norman shadow Pryor. On 3rd downs, I would blitz and force Kessler into quick decisions. He may hit a couple, but he’ll also throw a few to the good guys. Can’t play passive here.

      • colorofmyskinz - Sep 28, 2016 at 6:26 AM

        I like the plan!! Agreed load the box and let’s see how good Toler, Norman, and Fuller/Blackmon are.

      • redskins12thman - Sep 28, 2016 at 9:35 AM

        Agreed. We must force the pass, permit no run gains, and look out for quick releases including to Johnson.

      • Trey Gregory - Sep 28, 2016 at 2:17 PM

        Yeah a huge issue for the Browns is that they really only have one dynamic WR right now. And he’s very inexperienced and sometimes their QB. If Norman locks him down, their options get significantly worse until Coleman and Gordon get back. But we shouldn’t forget about Barnage. It could be a long day if Bruton covers him. I would like to see Cravens on him but I’m not so sure he’s on the field that much. I guess they might have Blackmon do it with Hall out.

        I’m not usually a big fan of that game plan. Look what happened when we overcommitted to the run against Dallas. They killed us with boot legs and dump offs. Cleveland will try that. The big difference is the level of talent in Dallas compared to Cleveland. So stacking the box might actually work this time.

        • redskins12thman - Sep 28, 2016 at 2:33 PM

          Coleman is a huge loss for the Browns but they’re still dangerous without him and Josh Gordon. The Browns didn’t have Coleman against the Dolphins and should have won. In addition to Pryor and Barnidge, Andrew Hawkins and Ricardo Louis are dangerous and the Browns also have Rashard Higgins.

          To your point, we must defend against boot legs and dump offs. Johnson is very dangerous out of the backfield. Cleveland’s offensive weapons are solid.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 28, 2016 at 3:59 PM

          Yeah the Browns still have weapons without Coleman and Gordon. But in the same way we would still have weapons if DJax and Garcon went down and we had to start Ross and Grant instead. They’re just not nearly as dynamic.

          It would be a nightmare scenerio to leave Phillips or Fuller 1-on-1 with Cory Coleman or Dunbar/Tolar with Josh Gordon or Pryor. But they should be able to handle the backups without too much help. It changes the way we can play them. They’ll still get their completions. But it won’t be nearly as bad.

        • redskins12thman - Sep 28, 2016 at 10:10 PM

          Yeah. I think we are saying the same thing. The Browns are putting themselves into a position to win games, without Coleman, and that’s dangerous enough for me.

    • RuddyJamesDIO - Sep 28, 2016 at 9:20 AM

      Compton had 1 tackle last week….get him out of there.

      • Trey Gregory - Sep 28, 2016 at 3:52 PM

        He has been a bit of a disappointment so far but you have to look at who’s replacing him before you just bench a guy. Are you sure Spaight is 1) healthy enough to play and 2) ready to call the defensive plays as a rookie? Perhaps if we still had Riley. But we don’t. Short of and injury or gross incompetence, Compton is the starting Mike linebacker for this team all season.

        • bangkokben - Sep 28, 2016 at 4:39 PM

          Agreed. Can’t replace everyone who is performing below expectations. Why single out Compton?

        • lorcanbonda - Sep 28, 2016 at 4:42 PM

          We can play a 4-3 with Cravens as one of the linebackers and Murphy playing in different spots based on the call.

          That’s the benefit of having someone like Murphy and Cravens with flexibility. Murphy could line up as a 3-4 linebacker or a 4-3 lineman.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 28, 2016 at 7:34 PM

          Yup. I love the versatile players and he versatile scheme. I would argue Smith can do the same and even thought it’s not ideal we do use Kerrigan like a DE in 4 man front from time to time. I’m just not sure if Cravens is a 4-3 Mike linebacker either. I think his natural position is nickel linebacker and maybe a SS in a true 4-3. But I also think he’s a great kid who is very hungry to play well and I’m not going to assume he can’t do anything. I won’t complain if they want to try him as a Mike. I just kind of doubt they’re going to do it.

  3. troylok - Sep 28, 2016 at 6:28 AM

    On defense, I think the obvious thing is for the defense to throw all kinds of blitzes at the rookie QB. Cleveland’s o-line is not that good and the young QB can be forced into making errors. If Pryor gets behind center I would bring in Cravens as a QB spy.

    On offense, I think you have to remain balanced. Teams could have ripped Cleveland up with the run if the pass were not so tempting, so opportunities exist on both aspects of the offensive game. It might be good to run a little first to let this rearranged offensive line get its feet under it and take the pressure off special K.

    • colorofmyskinz - Sep 28, 2016 at 6:44 AM

      I like the special K. LOL

    • RuddyJamesDIO - Sep 28, 2016 at 9:21 AM

      Since when does Barry blitz?…very frustrating.

      • ET - Sep 28, 2016 at 1:26 PM

        He mixed some in last week. Maybe not enough for you, but some.

        And: According to, DC is currently 13th in sack percentage. Last season the Skins were 18th. So it could be worse.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 28, 2016 at 2:09 PM

          Define blitz though. Because Barry doesn’t have the players on the back end to rush 5 or 6 guys and not get killed. But he does zone blitz sometimes. I just don’t know if all fans consider it a blitz when they still only see 4 guys rushing.

    • redskins12thman - Sep 28, 2016 at 10:34 AM

      Missed comment. I agree with need for balance between running and passing attack, ideally being unpredictable in selection.

    • Trey Gregory - Sep 28, 2016 at 2:20 PM

      Cleveland’s run D looked so much better with Shelton, Ogba, and Nassib in there. But I’m not sure how they’re doing now that they’ve had all these injuries.

  4. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Sep 28, 2016 at 7:15 AM


  5. redskins12thman - Sep 28, 2016 at 8:56 AM

    Per Cooley, DHall (5.9), Phillips (5.8) and Bruton (5.5.) continued to play poorly for third game of the row. Unfortunately, injuries have derailed DHall and Phillips and perhaps Bruton too — we will miss DHall’s experience and solid off-the-field contributions, but it’s strange that it took injuries to force them off the field. Makes you wonder 1. what Barry is seeing and 2. how bad the back-ups are. It’s been the most mind-boggling situation for me this seasons — Safety and Nickel back play and lack of moves…

    • Trey Gregory - Sep 28, 2016 at 2:22 PM

      I think Barry sees practice and how the backups perform there. As well as the rest of the coaching staff. It’s not all just Barry. They have meetings and talk about this stuff. They have a secondary coach with a really good reputation watching these guys too. Maybe us fans don’t know how bad the backups look in practice.

      • redskins12thman - Sep 28, 2016 at 3:16 PM

        That’s why I’m worried. If Hall, Bruton and Phillips are more consistently better, can you imagine what the back-ups must be like? It’s actually hard to imagine that Blackmon, Ihenacho, Everett, Fuller, Toler and Dunbar are that much worse, but I guess that could be the case. It makes you wonder why the team didn’t identify DBs, especially safeties, being released during cuts at 75 and 53. Norman has been excellent and Breeland has been okay; after that, it’s been below average for DBs in games.

        • redskins12thman - Sep 28, 2016 at 3:20 PM

          I’m anxious for Blackmon, Ihenacho, Everett, Fuller, Toler and Dunbar to get snaps so we can see.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 28, 2016 at 3:48 PM

          Well it could have something to do with experience right now. The other guys may have more long-term upside but don’t quite have the savvy or know the system like the more experienced guys. Blackmon is clearly a vet but Hall has been a playmaker for years and is a team leader. I understand why they stayed patient with him.

          I think in practice they’re very much looking at guys staying in position and being good technitions. Phillips should have the edge on Fuller and Dunbar there. But you can’t ever account for how these guys show up in a game. As I keep saying. This defense isn’t going to stop anybody from racking up a ton of yards. But they can win with just a couple big plays a game. That’s where we can be optimistic about the backups.

          I think Scot is trying very hard to save resources for 2017. I don’t think he had vey high expectations for this season and is trying to push contract, cap space, and draft picks down the road for when the team is better suited to win. I know some people had big aspirations for this team, but that’s what being a fan is all about. GMs and coaches have to be a little more realistic and shrewd. I you take the assumption that McCloughan didn’t think the team was ready to be a true contender yet then a lot of his moves (or lack there of) make a lot more sense. He’s trying to steadily get better with an eye toward the future more than go all in for 2016.

    • lorcanbonda - Sep 28, 2016 at 4:50 PM

      The problem is that we have so few safeties on the team — that’s why Hall & Blackmon were converted to safety. Last year we had Goldson, Robinson, & Johnson. Jarrett (a late round draft pick) was the star of the safeties, but he’s gone.

      At some point, we’re going to have to actually draft a decent safety.

  6. redskins12thman - Sep 28, 2016 at 9:13 AM

    Rich, I think we need to establish the run against the Browns even if the Browns are relatively less effective in pass defense.

    1. It’s not as if we can’t run the ball. While the O-line / TEs are not performing great when running, they’re okay and they need to improve as a group. Jones has shown well / better and Thompson can be effective as a change in pace.

    2. Running really helps Kirk. With play action, opportunities open up for him as much as any formation / play call.

    3. Running really helps our defense. We need to control the clock so our defense can rest. The Redskins defense was exhausted against the Steelers and Cowboys.

  7. renhoekk2 - Sep 28, 2016 at 10:10 AM

    Let’s be honest, our defense will keep the Browns and every other below .500 team we play in the game. In order to dominate any team you need to be able to stop them from running the ball down your throat and from scoring. We can do neither, so there will be no “easy games” all season.

    • bangkokben - Sep 28, 2016 at 3:45 PM

      That is true as long as the offense puts up three points or less BUT that can change if the defense can force a turnover or two AND the offense regains its 2015 red zone form.

      • Trey Gregory - Sep 28, 2016 at 3:55 PM

        We’re putting up a staggering amount of yards offensively. We’re a top 5 offensive so far. We moved the ball well on Sunday and it’s not like the Giants have a bad D. If they can start getting TDs then it will be hard to keep up with our scoring. Lots of ifs when we talk about this team though.

        • bangkokben - Sep 28, 2016 at 5:15 PM

          Yeah. I’ve noticed that you now see the potential I was touting before the season. Of course Cousins has to find last year’s form for the best chance of that potential getting realized. I can easily see three double digit wins but also a losing record.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 28, 2016 at 7:22 PM

          The passing game has actually been worse than O expected believe it or not. But I expected Cousins to be a little better and it’s really just the red zone that’s been bad.

          It’s not that I didn’t think the pass would be good. It’s that I thought it would struggle if we didn’t get the run going. That we would be asking Cousins to do too much and the defense could take away too many of our options if we couldn’t run. And I think that has materialized in a way. I think we’ve put way too much on Cousins shoulders and he would look a lot better if we got to that 60/40 pass/run ratio that we talked about. I also think we’ve seen how it wears on our defense when we can’t run. I always expected us to have a good passing attack I just thought it wouldn’t be AS good it’s it could be if we didn’t get a run game going. As good as it is now, it could be a lot better.

        • bangkokben - Sep 28, 2016 at 8:38 PM

          Conversely, its going exactly as I thought it would except the red zone — a complete 180 from last year. It doesn’t need the running game for it to work. That’s been my point. Play action still works on first down but it can only be helped by a running game. Even time of possession isn’t affected when you complete passes. Cousins regression has been disturbing and surprising. I’m sure the coaches weren’t expecting it and therefore adjustments may get made. And those adjustments will likely be in the form of running more.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 29, 2016 at 3:20 AM

          I understand what you’re saying. Like TOP is affected on complete passes because the clock keeps running. But you generally do gain more yard from a pass and therefore finish drives faster. And play action may still work but it doesn’t work as well if the run game isn’t going strong. And the defense will play you differently and take away a lot of passes if the run isn’t a real threat.

          Passing too much creates more opportunities for interceptions, for incompletions (zero gains), for the pass rush to tee off and get sacks (negative yards), 3rd and long situations, it puts too much on one player, it generally doesn’t allow you to run out the clock like running, it does negatively affect play action, and it does allow the defense to sit back in a soft zone that’s very hard to pass against and get big plays out of. These are all things I hear NFL coache, players, and executives say over and over. The point is that while there’s a lot of merit to having a great passing attack and throwing the majority of downs, there’s even more merit to being somewhat balanced (60/40 is fine). And I think our redzone issues would get a bit better if we were real threats to run it in. If nothing else by running some in.

        • bangkokben - Sep 29, 2016 at 7:37 AM

          Cling to it if you philosophically must. Take Sunday as an example. The Redskins ran up tempo early and often moving the ball through the twenties. The Giants were sitting on the short stuff basically daring the Skins to throw deep. The Redskins connected. The Redskins had 28 yards rushing up til the final drive. That’s not balance. They “wore out” the defense with the pass.

  8. celeoinc - Sep 28, 2016 at 10:11 AM

    Great comments. The Browns are definitely in the right direction. They lost a lot of starters to injury and they could be easily 2-1 right now. I’m start to become a believer as far the Eagles go. The Eagles are showing us how important good coaching is. Unfortunately we have the worst defensive coordinator in the NFL. Our defense really starting playing well against the Giants when C Baker replace Barry as our defensive coordinator. Did anybody see baker getting in Barry’s face against the Giants. From that moment on the Skins were the better team!

    • redskins12thman - Sep 28, 2016 at 10:29 AM

      Rich made a great point that Chris’ pancake sack on Manning coincided / served as a turning point with QB play dropping afterwards. Not sure Baker replaced Barry as DC, however, at any point. Can you shed more light on this?

      • - Sep 28, 2016 at 12:24 PM

        Baker and Barry got into it onnthe sideline fairly early in the game. Baker did not, in any way, become the defensive coordinator

  9. celeoinc - Sep 28, 2016 at 10:19 AM

    IGreat comments. The Browns are definitely in the right direction. They lost a lot of starters to injury and they could be easily 2-1 right now. I’m starting to become a believer as far the Eagles go. The Eagles are showing us how important good coaching is. Unfortunately we have the worst defensive coordinator in the NFL. Our defense really started playing well against the Giants when C Baker replaced Barry as our defensive coordinator. Did anybody see baker getting in Barry’s face against the Giants. From that moment on the Skins were the better team!

    • redskins12thman - Sep 28, 2016 at 10:28 AM

      Rich made a great point that Chris’ pancake sack on Manning coincided / served as a turning point with QB play dropping afterwards. Not sure Baker replaced Barry as DC, however, at any point. Can you shed more light on this?

    • Mr.moneylover - Sep 28, 2016 at 11:02 AM

      Naw not really ill say second half adjustments made us win that game …we havent seen that happen up to that point….21 points in the first half second half we gave up only 6 points witch was 2 field goals…hopefully he keep it up with the in game adjustments…sean mcvay need to learn how to do the same thing

      • celeoinc - Sep 28, 2016 at 2:12 PM

        Obviously I’m exaggerating about Baker, but I do believe that defense players were getting fed up with the lack od adjustments, and judging by Bakers behavior on the side line it would not surprise me if the players frustration had something to do with the adjustments in the second half. It was way overdue.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 28, 2016 at 2:36 PM

          I’m surprised the Baker/Barry thing hasn’t been more of a story. But it’s also not crazy uncommon for players and coaches to have a few words on the sideline.

          I love Chris Baker and what he brings to this team. That being said, I don’t think that’s the right way to handle business. I can forgive a short shouting match and then moving on. These guys are passionate and I want them to be passionate and care if they lose. But it can’t get worse and it can’t become a normal thing. The coaches need to be in charge and respected for the team to function properly.

          I’m not sure if Barry is a bad DC or not. But I do know he hasn’t been given the best roster to work with and most DCs in the league couldn’t get great results from this bunch (and those who could see probabkh head coaches by now). If people are frustrated with the results then they should point that frustration at the personnel department. Or at time. Because McCloughan hasn’t had enough time to rebuild this entire roster.

          I hear people talking about defensive adjustments every single day. But rarely do I see them lay out specifics. Outside of “play different guys” (which really isn’t an adjustment) and “Norman should shadow the #1 WE. What different adjustments do you guys want? And what did he do differently in the second half that you liked? I haven’t rewatched the second half yet. And I was too wrapped up in the game to pay close attention to scheme. But from what I remember, it looked like the same thing we always do but the guys were just making plays.

  10. Mr.moneylover - Sep 28, 2016 at 10:55 AM

    Im still looking for some aggressive play calling threw the whole drive we seen moments but it will disappear

  11. greed - Sep 28, 2016 at 12:24 PM

    probably already said but…. Defensive gameplan so simple stack the line man up norman on pryor give help over the top on other side , i would say mix it up with some run and pass blitz but JBarry doesnt know what a blitz is

  12. smotion55 - Sep 28, 2016 at 1:07 PM

    I can only hope that this 1-2 team is right sized and comes out with their asssssess on fire for a home win. Cleveland is very capable of winning this game and beating the skins . This game will show us just where they are mentally . This time last year same thing started happening and the guys filling in played par or better then who they replaced. We at least will see the new guys getting valuable reps.

    • Trey Gregory - Sep 28, 2016 at 2:40 PM

      If they come to play we should be 2-2 going into the Ravens game with a big opportunity to go 3-2. But it’s going to say a lot about this team if they lose to Cleveland. A lot about the culture and where their heads are. If they lose this game I might prefer they just take Cleveland’s approach and clean house of everyone and start over. That might be necessary for a culture change from a team that’s been losing for decades.

      • bangkokben - Sep 28, 2016 at 3:52 PM

        If rebuilding takes so long why are the Eagles looking so good?

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 28, 2016 at 4:13 PM

          Because they’re the luckiest damn team ever. And they’re not exactly doing a full rebuild. Remember they won 10 games in 2013 and 2014. It’s not like they had a bad roster when they fired Chip Kelly. They kept the same GM and basically just sold off Kelly’s players. That defense was already pretty good though. Kelly’s offense had them on the field too much but it wasn’t a bad roster.

          Then they end up with Wentz basically because the Rams are incompetent and drafted Goff instead. That’s after they signed Bradford and Daniels for way too much money. Then, by luck, Teddy goes down and they get a first back by trading Bradford and unload his salary. Which made Wentz the starter over Bradford. The luck of that team is unbelievable. They basically did a blind flop for a new QB and got Wentz. Miami and Tennessee were dumb enough to trade with them too.

        • bangkokben - Sep 28, 2016 at 5:26 PM

          My point is that rebuilding doesn’t HAVE to take that long. I’ll agree that the Eagles got fortunate but they have had a lot of roster turnover. It too early to tell but so far so good for them.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 28, 2016 at 5:56 PM

          Yeah i just wanted to vent about how lucky Philly has been. It’s sickening.

          But sure, with a little luck a rebuild can go faster. But I think generally speaking, it takes about 4-5 years. And that’s if the owner stays patient and doesn’t blow it all up and if the right guys are working on it. And, again, I think the Eagles were starting at a very different position than we were when McCloughan got here. Eagles won 20 games over 2013-2014. We won 4. And a down year for them was winning 7.

        • bangkokben - Sep 28, 2016 at 8:13 PM

          No. I disagree. Being on my mobile, I don’t have the facts easily accessible. But I would say that the Eagles were decimated by Kelly. Despite the wins they really turned over that roster. Still too soon to say It’s a success already but they’re headed in the right direction. It should only take three years to rebuild a team but there are caveats.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 28, 2016 at 4:16 PM

          The GM literally said it didn’t matter to him which QB he got. That it was like vanilla or chocolate and perreroni or sausage on your pizza. Both are good. WTF?!?!? We can’t exactly give ol Howie credit for drafting Wentz now can we?

  13. Trey Gregory - Sep 28, 2016 at 10:40 PM

    We are. On a side note, I’m really bummed for Browns fans and Coleman that he got hurt. If there’s one fan base who deserve a break, it’s them. And Coleman is such a talented athlete and a nice kid. I kind of became a closer Browns fan when they drafted him (not really I’m just rooting for the 4 Baylor players on the team).

    Then they also lost Nassib who I’m SUPER impressed with as a 3rd round rookie DE. That kid looked fantastic and like he could have contended for defensive rookie of the year. Wish we could have grabbed him. The Browns just can’t catch a break.

  14. redskins12thman - Sep 28, 2016 at 10:45 PM

    While the Browns are no pushover, at the end of the day, the Redskins are the better team, so if the Redskins are out-prepared, outworked or otherwise don’t find a way to beat the Browns on Sunday, they’ve fallen victim to the trap; hoping this does not transpire …

  15. mcwest1 - Sep 29, 2016 at 7:31 AM


    Rumor has it that Roseman knew the Rams were taking Goff. The Browns wanted Goff. And after the Rams traded up to the 1st pick they knew they weren’t getting Goff. That’s why they traded the #2 pick. The Eagles had to say publicly that they were fine with either QB. They had to give that impression or risk a Chargers/E Manning scenario. Archives

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