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Need to Know: Redskins 29, Giants 27 by the numbers

Sep 26, 2016, 4:26 AM EDT


EAST RUTHERFORD, NJ—Here is what you need to know on this Monday, September 26, six days before the Washington Redskins host the Cleveland Browns.


Today’s schedule: Jay Gruden news conference 3:00 p.m., CSN carries both on TV and digital

Days until: Browns @ Redskins 6; Redskins @ Ravens 14; Eagles @ Redskins 20

Redskins 29, Giants 27 by the numbers

2000—The year the last time a Redskins player had both an interception and a pass reception in the same game like Quinton Dunbar did today. It’s happened 47 times in the NFL since 1960. Dick James was the only other Redskins to accomplish the feat in that time span; he did it against the Cowboys in 1961.

7—The number of consecutive games in which the Redskins have complied at least 350 yards of offense. That’s the longest such stretch in team history.

5—The number of field goals by Dustin Hopkins today, tying the team record. It’s been done eight times before, three times each by Curt Knight and Chip Lohmiller, once by Mark Moseley and most recently by Shaun Suisham against the Jets in 2007.

9—The number of active players who have 8,000 or more career receiving yards. When he caught the 44-yard touchdown pass from Kirk Cousins today DeSean Jackson joined that group. Also in the 8K yards club are Andre Johnson, Steve Smith, Jason Witten, Antonio Gates, Vincent Jackson, Larry Fitzgerald, Brandon Marshall, and Anquan Boldin.

7—The number of years it’s been since the Redskins successfully executed a fake kick play. The last time it happened before Tress Way went to Quinton Dunbar for 31 yards on a fake punt was in 2009, when holder Hunter Smith hit Mike Sellers with a touchdown pass on a fake field goal.

7—We’ll go with one more seven here, the number of yards that Rob Kelley gained on his first four NFL carries.

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  1. Trey Gregory - Sep 26, 2016 at 4:44 AM

    I was really excited when Kelley walked on the field. It’s a shame he kept slipping. I hope he had a long talk with the equipment manager about that. Should never be a problem.

    • redskins12thman - Sep 26, 2016 at 4:51 AM

      Why would studs on Kelley’s cleats be different length than other RBs in the game? Can’t that be corrected mid-game too?

      • Trey Gregory - Sep 26, 2016 at 1:15 PM

        I’m by no means an expert on this. I’ve just heard guys talking about it. I think that different players like different kinds of spikes on different surfaces. Or sometimes the equipment manager wants to change everybody’s to longer or shorter spikes but a player ignores it, or doesn’t get the memo, or something like that. There’s different lengths for turf, grass, wet grass, etc. etc. Some guys don’t like the longer ones because they’re worries they’ll stick.

        But yes, it can be corrected in no time. They screw in. Remember, Zeek Elliot slipped on his first two carries against us. It could just be rookie nerves. But I’m sure they at least looked at this cleates.

    • sidepull - Sep 26, 2016 at 7:02 AM

      Yea I though he was off to the races on one of those slips.

  2. redskins12thman - Sep 26, 2016 at 4:49 AM

    I hope Breeland can return to play soon; we need him!

    I wish the Redskins played the Cowboys like they played the Giants; if this occurred, the Redskins would be 2 and 1.

    I’m thankful that / for:
    1. Redskins had 3 and out defensive stand on first series of the game (Huge!)
    2. Dunbar’s opening punt return turnover, that resulted in the Giants scoring a TD, did not cost the Redskins the game! (This was nearly devastating and weighed heavily on me the whole game.)
    3. Cousins’ failure, on the final series of the 1st half, to secure a field goal attempt, did not cost the Redskins the game! (This was nearly devastating and weighed heavily on me at halftime and the whole second half. Cousins also had Thompson wide open on the prior play for a likely TD!)
    4. Dunbar redeemed himself with a catch (what a call by Gruden!!!) and interception!
    5. Cravens sealed the deal
    6. Crowder’s 52 yard punt return in 2nd quarter
    7. Back-to-back pass plays to Jackson for TD near end of 2nd quarter
    8. Screen pass to Crowder to convert 3rd and long and score TD
    9. Reed catch and run to sustain drive that leads to 3rd quarter field goal
    10. Garvin and Bruton failing to block Giant who blocked punt was offset by Giant penalty (lucky)

    I wish that the NFL reviews the referees calls or lack thereof on the following plays:
    1. The Giants player sticking his hand in Lichtensteiger’s helmet on first offensive series but no call?
    2. Hit on Jones by Berhe on 2nd series
    3. Phantom roughing the passer call on Murphy in 2nd quarter
    4. Jackson’s TD – Giants DB is draped over WR like a blanket and they’re trying to see if it was a catch? PPLLEEAASSEE!
    5. Bogus holding call on Scherff on 3rd quarter screen pass to Jones
    6. Bruton’s take-away at 6:33 of 3rd quarter (how can that not be overturned?)
    7. Hit on Jones by Berhe at 4:53 of 3rd quarter
    8. Roughing call on Norman at beginning of 4th quarter (I don’t agree with it, especially with two non-calls on Berhe above, but this is closer to borderline call).

    Just like last season, Lauvao and Lichtensteiger go down early; Nsekhe and Long have solid fill-ins. We are razor thin now on OL.

    I hope the Redskins do not take the Browns lightly; if they do, they will regret it. The Browns get off to fast starts, play with heart, are desperate and, even with Coleman out, have many playmakers (Crowell, Johnson, Pryor, Hawkins and Barnidge can all ball). What a shame it would be to lose to the Browns after this win!

    The Redskins need to improve on their run defense before they play the Browns and I’m still really worried about Phillips and now Toler (who has difficulty tackling)

    Hail to Cousins, Hopkins, Crowder, Jackson, Garcon, Reed, Jones, Norman, Blackmon, Murphy and Cravens!

    • colorofmyskinz - Sep 26, 2016 at 5:50 AM

      I hope we stay with Ty N and Long. Much better line than with Lauvao and Kory. Hope those guys recover to play backup.

      • Mr.moneylover - Sep 26, 2016 at 9:02 AM

        Ty Nesheke and Trent Williams at guard it might be the best move for the O-line and Trent Williams can really show why hes the best he knocked down 2 giants players without even noticing he did it teammates had to go tell him matt jones got a 10 yard gain because of trent Williams

    • sidepull - Sep 26, 2016 at 6:59 AM

      Jones took that hit and still recoverd the fumble. I gotta say that was impressive as that was a heck of a shot to the head.

      • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Sep 26, 2016 at 10:41 AM

        That should have been a 15 yard penalty just like they helmet to helmet they called on Norman.

    • brucefan1 - Sep 26, 2016 at 11:12 AM

      Regarding bad calls by the officials, Mike Pereira felt that Dunbar’s touch of the ball on that early punt return was the result of his being PUSHED into the ball, and that it shouldn’t have counted against the Skins. But he also said that such a play is not reviewable! Huh? Wonder why not?

      (But then Pereira’s calling a replay for your team is kinda like a kiss of death, right? It seems like his take on most calls is NOT what the replay officials ultimately decide. Not as bad at it as Mike Carey was, tho. LOL)

  3. redskins12thman - Sep 26, 2016 at 5:06 AM

    Who was the Redskins that had interception and pass reception in 2000? I should remember but I can’t.

    I wouldn’t have thought that Mark Moseley had five field goals only once in a game and that both Curt Knight and Chip Lohmiller did it each three times. Interesting.

    The better the Redskins’ rushing attack is, the better the passing attack AND defense will be. The Redskins need to sustain drives so that defense can rest / recover / prepare.

    • COSSkinsFan - Sep 26, 2016 at 9:50 AM

      Champ Bailey

  4. colmac69 - Sep 26, 2016 at 5:30 AM

    Lots credit to the whole team for one of biggest wins I have seen in over 30 yrs of following them

    Fans(inc myself ),,,media have all had there say on what’s right/wrong with team.they still lots to fix but no matter what it can’t take away the resolve,fight,determination whatever u want to call it bout this squad after yesterday when they lost half secondary (for possibly the season)…two key o-line guys who could b out a while they still pulled out clutch win in a place where we invariably encounter failure

    Time will tell how big win this will b in the wks ahead but you would like to think it can only lead to bigger things

  5. colorofmyskinz - Sep 26, 2016 at 5:38 AM

    Wow! The Redskins showed up yesterday! Great game and great win! Finally we saw the team function like the team we imagined. We saw running. We also saw a new line that I think is now a superior line, Long at center and Ty N and Trent on the right side together. We could have the hogs in this configuration. Unfortunately it came at the cost of injury, but we saw what good looks like when our starters left. I like that line much better!

    Hate to see Dhall leave with injury. However his replacement was much better. We knew this would be the case. Unfortunately I think we were forced into a few changes that showed us better blocking and better protection.

    The Dline was finally relevant. Long over due. Toler did. Great job.

    I see a change in momentum and hope it carries to next week against the Browns!

    Today HTTR!!

    • colorofmyskinz - Sep 26, 2016 at 5:40 AM

      Sorry Ty and Trent left side. I like it!

      • Mr.moneylover - Sep 26, 2016 at 9:03 AM

        I love it…I been wanting that since day 1 and it finally happen

        • COSSkinsFan - Sep 26, 2016 at 9:49 AM

          I love it as well. It reminds me if how the ugh Cowboys moved around Larry Allen on theIraq oline to get the best 5 guys out there.

    • John - Sep 26, 2016 at 1:02 PM

      The only reason Ty was at tackle and Long at center was due to the injuries to Lavau and Long. Highly unusual situation where both went out and only one backup guard/center, who by the way, backs up both spots was available. When it comes to run blocking, its anything other than Hogs, much less Hogs 2…

  6. garg8050 - Sep 26, 2016 at 5:53 AM

    The Skins were resilient and played with heart. Something I wasn’t sure they were capable of doing.

    Still a lot of work to do, especially in the red zone. Defense needs to remain opportunistic and aggressive.

  7. wvredskins - Sep 26, 2016 at 6:13 AM

    How about that interception by sua cravens though?! That dude is a baller. Plays with heart and passion. Love it!!

  8. gasngo14 - Sep 26, 2016 at 6:46 AM

    This team has heart what a fight! HTTR!!

  9. sidepull - Sep 26, 2016 at 6:58 AM

    Baker pancaked Eli and I was so happy he tried to crush him.

    I am glad the frame of the net hit that diva Odella back! LMAO!

    Thank you Sua!

    Tress has a better arm than Cuz. Cuz is now on notice hahahha.

    Finally after two miserable losses, we get to celebrate, but not for long. Hail!

  10. chimps000 - Sep 26, 2016 at 7:54 AM

    good win…

    First the negatives- the officials. They must have thought that the fans came to watch them throw 40 flags. The players made plays, otherwise the game was almost unwatchable due to the refs. Someone needs to tell them to use common sense and only throw flags on clear and egregious penalties that actually affect the game.

    Phillips I did not see make a single play, but I did see him get beat where he didn’t even turn his head to look for the ball on a td pass in the first quarter. D Hall also got torched for a td throw, he’s had a great NFL career, all the best to him in his next career.

    Blackmon, Dunbar, and Cravens making huge game changing plays, and bruton Jr made a play for the first time in 3 games. Bruton was beat, he didn’t turn and look for the ball, but he made a hell of a play that was robbed by the atrocious officiating.

    Cousins was ok, and ok was major improvement so I’ll take it. I still saw 3rd downs where he had no pressure and instead of being patient and trying to pick up the first he dumped it off way short with zero chance of the guy picking up the first down.

    The oline was damn good yet again. Good pass protection, and they opened some lanes.

    I’m just happy they were competitive and made plays- I also wasn’t disappointed when baker got pissed at joe Barry lol…

    • nikoknight - Sep 26, 2016 at 8:19 AM

      Phillips cannot (or hasn’t proved yet) he can play at this level. The guy gets beat like a drum time and time again.

    • snyderisanidiot - Sep 26, 2016 at 9:05 AM

      Did Ryan Kerrigan play yesterday or did he get hurt or something? I did not see him on the field during some pass rushing 3rd downs. Did Preston Smith play yesterday at all? I did not see him on the field at all it was like he was invisible.

      The defense is a weakness of this team but they hung there you gotta give it to them. Pass rush is very weak, defense line is weak, safety play is subpar, linebacker play has been mediocre for the most part besides Sua.

      For the most part, I thought the new offensive line arrangement was much better once KL left the game.

      • chimps000 - Sep 26, 2016 at 9:45 AM

        I saw Kerrigan make one play in the run game, otherwise he didn’t flash. Preston smith I haven’t seen do much all year. The Giants oline is not good, I would have thought those two guys would have had more impact.

        I forgot Crowder, he played at such a high level, and d jax was great per usual.

      • chimps000 - Sep 26, 2016 at 9:49 AM

        I agree with you on the defense… I thought gruden/mcvay made a terrible decision to be so conservative with a run up the middle on the 3rd and 2 at the end of the game, and give the ball back to the Giants who had plenty of time and only needed a FG against our bad defense…. I was thinking Jesus gruden doesn’t know his own team, they needed a first down to run down more clock and hopefully score a td, way too conservative.

        Cravens made the play and bailed gruden out.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 26, 2016 at 12:32 PM

          It’s funny, I sent a tweet out right after that play (and before the Giants got the ball back) that people were going to question Gruden’s decesion to do that.I said he essentially put his faith in the defense to win the game. And if they lose, people will point to that.

          But I kind of liked it. The Giants have a good pass rush and they were teeing off against a patchwork OLine. I know some people are convinced that line was better than our starting lineup, but they weren’t. They we’rent holding up in pass protection. But they were running the ball OK. So you could argue that the defense was the strength of the team at that point and Gruden put his faith there instead of taking a sack on a pass play and getting out of FG range. Or risk an INT with Cousins on tilt.

          The defense knew he did that and they rewarded him for trusting them. I see people complaining about the pass rush, but they got pressure and forced Eli to throw quickly. This is not a top defense by any stretch but they can make a big play if they have to. I think it was a good call. If Cousins throws an INT, or even and incompletion, everyone says “why did they stop running when it was working.”

      • Trey Gregory - Sep 26, 2016 at 12:40 PM

        Phillips was awful and the defense got better when he came off. There’s no way the coaches don’t see that.

        Cravens needs to start. If we’re talking the 11 best players on defense then Foster and Compton need to play too. Cravens at SS and Blackmon on FS? Does that sound right?

        I thought Kerrigan disappeared after the live Dallas game too. But when I went back Imand watched it slower I noticed he had a decent game. I suspect I’ll see the same again. I do remember him getting pressure multiple times. Smith in a young guy who plays like a young guy. I remember a couple pressures from him too but not much else. He was bad against Dallas and I’ll be curious to see if he improved when I watch him closer.

        Trent Murphy for sack leader though. The guy is a DE. Just let him keep the weight and rush.

        • chimps000 - Sep 26, 2016 at 5:41 PM

          “Phillips was awful and the defense got better when he came off. There’s no way the coaches don’t see that.”

          I thought it was obvious last game, but Joe Barry started him again. I like your idea of Cravens at SS, he has speed and burst, he just needs experience, he might as well get it this year, its not like the skins are going to contend for the conference championship. He has the right size for SS, I just have a hard time seeing him hold up as an ILB at his size over time on running downs.

          I liked Blackmon last year, just not as a starting outside CB because he doesn’t have the speed to keep up with elite WR. I have no idea why Barry has played him so little this year and stuck with guys who aren’t productive. That was a smart veteran play by Blackmon, holding that guy and going for the strip.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 27, 2016 at 3:22 AM

          I’m not so sure that Cravens has the speed for safety. He didn’t run all that fast at the combine. That’s one of the main reasons why I like him at ILB long term. I get the size argument. But I think that’s just the evolution of the NFL. There are multiple guys like him already doing it successfully. The idea is to be able to have the linebacker cover TE and slot corners without it being a gross mismatch. But then there’s he run. That’s where you want these guys to fly to the ball, play excellent technique, always be in the right spot, and have that fire to make plays. Cravens appears to be that guy to me. But it also helps if you have a great D-line to slow the run game down.

          I like Cravens at SS right now because I want to put the best 11 on the field and it’s not a stretch to put him there. Bruton is not playing well and even if Cravens is a bit slow, I can’t imagine him being worse. Then really I see his natural position as nickel LB (which is basically a starting job now) and that’s not so different than SS.

          The speed thing could be one of those practice vs. game speed tyle things. Some guys just seem faster than they really are on the field because of burst and good instincts. I would like for them to try it out. But it’s not my job on the line. Just as long as he sees the field more. So far McCloughan has made two outstanding second round picks. Maybe we should just trade all our picks and stock up on second rounders from now on.

  11. Mr.moneylover - Sep 26, 2016 at 8:54 AM

    Redskins clamp down after giving up 21 points joe barry adjust to something late and it got us the win…pressure on the QB always help the defense trent murphy had another strong game whats more interesting is they took ryan Kerrigan out for trent murphy it’s just shows when you dont improve your play you will be benched …I dont belive desean phillips had a hamstring injury I think they really got tired of him missing assignments he might benched or cut soon…will blackmon will end up bein a better saftey option then deangleo hall once he know and get use to his assignments as a safety deangleo hall took a step back as a safety…once they let they play makers play more the defense can play better…and injury wise to the O-line could actually benefit the O-line ….Trent Williams at guard and put Ty Nesheke at Tackle was a brilliant move by O-line Bill C. matt jones had gape holes to run threw now dont change it that move can actually help our running game Ty Nesheke is to good of a player to be on a bench

    • snyderisanidiot - Sep 26, 2016 at 9:08 AM

      Kerrigan gets paid a lot of money for what has been statistically mediocre production. I thought the guy was hurt I did not know Coach pulled him out. WoW. Kerrigan’s rookie season was his best year. He is falling apart at the seams.

      • chimps000 - Sep 26, 2016 at 5:51 PM

        I don’t want to be a dick and I hope he turns it up later this year. He isn’t a bad player, he looks very average, sometimes he looks a little above average, and its been this way since the beginning of last year. If he was paid 3 or 4 million a year it wouldn’t be an issue. It was an overpayment by McLoughan, but I think the Skins wanted to reward a guy they drafted who is also a good character guy, versus the earlier Snyder years when they just gave big contracts to free agents at the end of their careers coming from other teams who then did nothing.

        One thing about Kerrigan is he loses contain on misdirection plays almost every game, and gives up some big plays. He also made that great strip sack this year, I don’t care that he didn’t fall on it- that wasn’t an “average” play.

        Trent got paid and he is still playing great, that was a good deal by McLoughan.

  12. redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2016 at 9:05 AM

    This is close to the team I expected to see in the regular season. One where the team is challenged in stopping the opponent on offense, and one where our team’s offense is very difficult to contain on the other side.

    The offense finally made a genuine effort to make consecutive running plays in the second half and showed some success. This needs to be a more common occurrence to keep defenses off balance. This run once on 1st down or 2nd and long before reverting back to quick released 4 yard pass attempts isn’t going to win many games.

    The team is still leaving points off the board mostly due to Couisns erractic play. I think he showed some progress but he still needs to settle down and let the plays come to him. There seems to be open receivers all over the field he is not seeing while missing many open targets. The better Cousins gets the more competitive this team will be under a much more difficult schedule.

    The defense is going to give up yards both on the ground and in the air. This is far from a shut down defense. However, forcing the turnovers can really mitigate the many flaws on this defense.

    • snyderisanidiot - Sep 26, 2016 at 9:11 AM

      If Cousins played better this offense would look like the 1999 Rams. Curt, Kirk, Kurt, whatever you want to call him is more of a one or two look guy. He rarely cycles through all the progressions and usually picks one side of the field to work on. He also has a horrible habit of staring down his receivers. Why do you not take a Picture Kirk?

      • Trey Gregory - Sep 26, 2016 at 12:48 PM

        @Snyder: you’re the first person I’ve seen say Cousins stares down receivers this year. I noticed it too and wondered if I was just imagining things because nobody is talking about it. He very much gets locked on a read. It’s hard if you can’t actually see his eyes, but it appears he needs to up his gamesmanship.

        getting the ball out fast appears to be very, very important to him. Maybe some of his training about not holding the ball too long messed with his head. But I do know that very good QBs can get by going to their first read most of the time IF that read is the correct read.

        I know, Captain Obvious over here. But Brady goes to his first read the large majority of the time and the ball is out lightning fast. I think Cousins is hesitant to actually let it go and that’s the problem. He knows right where he wants to go pre snap but he’s so scared of s defender jumping the rout that he takes an extra second to read the field and it’s causing the timing to be off and him to stare down receiver. I’m sure sometimes Brady just throws out if instinct and trust. Cousins seems very hesitant. I think we’re looking at a confidence issue.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2016 at 1:59 PM

          Sorry I don’t see this stare down issue or hesitation. Cousins had one of the quickest average release times last season and he from what I see he is trying to get that release time out even quicker. Actually in the second half he seemed to hold the ball longer which coincided with his improved performance.

          I looked up but didn’t find updated releases. Brady right is at an unheard of 2.09 second per release this season and the fastest average ever was actually by P Manning at 2.24 but that record didn’t help his performance. I know Cousins was averaging something like 2.41 last season at some point. If I find the up to date stuff then I’ll post it before if Cousins looks like he is string down then IMO it’s because he is only releasing the ball in too much haste.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 26, 2016 at 2:28 PM

          It’s just something I started paying attention to after people said he stared down Garcon during that redzone pick vs. Dallas. I started watching his face mask (not every play, but on a lot) and he would often lock on to one receiver, wait for them to make a break, then throw. I didn’t see him looking anyone off. Then again, I’m basing this off the direction of his face mask. I can’t see his eyes. It just appears that he gets locked in.

          I’m not saying Cousins is getting the ball out faster than anyone. I’m saying it seems like he has a mental check list of “if I do this then I won’t make a bad play,” more than “if I do this I’ll make a good play.” I don’t necessarily have an issue with that, and that’s pure speculation, but it could explain some things. He’s quick to check down instead of trying to extend a play. He’s quick to go to his first read even if it’s not the best throw, he wants to be the ball out fast, and he’s quick to throw it away even though he might be able to get something by moving around. I haven’t really focused on this point when watching. Maybe I would come to a different conclusion if i watch again and pay more attention. That’s just my initial impression.

          Some of that could be him not trusting the O-line to hold up. Some of it could just be how he’s coached. I think a lot of it has to do with his history of turnovers. Again though, that’s just my initial impression based off 3 games from a TV angle. I could definitely be missing something.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2016 at 5:51 PM

          Yeah maybe you guys are catching key plays where he showed this issue. I think in general he and Gruden want to do what BellyChick and Brady do whch to emulate to that level is like training pigs to fly

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 27, 2016 at 2:52 AM

          I agree. I think we might be saying close to the same thing. I may have initially misunderstood what you were saying. I think Cousins is trying to do exactly what Brady does, but without being Brady and without having Bellichick.

          That system runs so smooth. They get plays off before the defense can blink and it all looks like the same play. It’s brilliantly simple. I don’t know why everyone doesn’t run it. But we don’t. And, to me, sometimes it seems like Cousins is so determined to get the ball out in a second that he maybe misses an open receiver for his first read.

      • sidepull - Sep 26, 2016 at 1:15 PM

        Cuz is playing mediocre. Some of his targets have saved his butt. Reeds one handed grab from a pass thrown way behnd him was unreal. He seems to throw to his targets behind rather then leading them. The throw to Djax was right on the money. Need more of that.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 26, 2016 at 2:31 PM

          That was a phenomenal catch. And it’s why these giant receivers are awesome for young QBs who are still working on accuracy. Winston is so lucky to have Evans and Vincent Jackson. It takes more precision to use a guy like DJax.

          Cousins should be there too. He should be past those accuracy issues. I honestly don’t know what’s going on with him.

    • COSSkinsFan - Sep 26, 2016 at 10:00 AM

      If we can improve our red zone efficiency to an average rate, we will be hard to handle. Both our td’s came from outside the red zone and that can’t continue. Somewhat reminds me of our 99 squad, exciting to watch because we scored a ton and couldn’t stop anybody.

    • redskins12thman - Sep 26, 2016 at 11:09 AM

      The Redskins need to play much better to have a good season. It was a great win by the Redskins but we’ve got to convert some of these field goals into touchdowns, we have to do a better job at stopping the run and we must “solve” who will play both safeties and nickel back — these three positions and run defense are the glaring weaknesses that teams will exploit week after week.

      • ET - Sep 26, 2016 at 12:49 PM

        On the other hand (I’m feeling positive today), this defense seems opportunistic and has generated some clutch turnovers. Dunbar and Cravens really came through yesterday. Those teams of a few years ago, even when the D was tougher, rarely got the kind of key takeaways we saw yesterday. That gives me some hope.

        Ultimately, if the offense can improve its terrible red zone issues, an underwhelming but opportunistic defense is better than one that just lays down.

        • bangkokben - Sep 26, 2016 at 11:01 PM

          Spot on there. Forcing fumbles and could’ve had five interceptions: Norman right before the Sterling TD, the Bruton non-pick, the Bruton Cravens collision, as well as the two they got. If they can hold onto more and recover the sack strips better then they can hide their flaws. Especially if they can get the red zone offense on track.

  13. metalman5150 - Sep 26, 2016 at 9:12 AM

    With all of the self-inflicted injuries and penalties, it’s more of a shocker that the Skins got this W.
    Didn’t watch the game but I did listen to the call of 980. Hoping our injured players can make speedy recoveries!

    • bangkokben - Sep 26, 2016 at 11:45 AM

      Didn’t listen to the self inflicted wounds from the Giants? Fumbles, nterceptions, personal fouls, more personal fouls, ejections, sideline tantrums. Did I miss anything else?

      • Trey Gregory - Sep 26, 2016 at 12:50 PM

        It really could have sealed that game for us if we didn’t get all those calls though. If the Giants cleaned it up late, we may not have won. They have to play more disciplined.

        • bangkokben - Sep 26, 2016 at 2:43 PM

          Agreed. Sometimes the other team is worse.

  14. BARAKA Ali - Sep 26, 2016 at 9:35 AM

    Thanks for the information. I remember Dick James when he was the man. He did everything for the Washington team. Even though u didn’t mention that the team was all white. However, I remember the Mitchell And Snead combination. How many yards did they get together. It seems to me then that they got more than 8k. Furthermore, with the coming of old number nine should be in there somewhere…I M just saying…

  15. nikoknight - Sep 26, 2016 at 9:42 AM

    On a completely unrelated note, it was nice to see the burgundy pants and a change for once. Although I would really like to see all white on the away unis.

  16. Eli - Sep 26, 2016 at 9:56 AM

    More by the numbers (it’s a simple game):

    -Time of Possession: Skins 33:24, NYG 26:36

    -Turnovers: NYG 3, Skins 1

    -Rushing attempts: Skins 30, NYG 21 (even though NY averaged 5.7 YPC vs Skins 3.0). Skins had the discipline this game to stick with the run.

    -Penalties: NY 11, Skins 8

    Now, if the Skins can only do something about the alarming Redzone inefficiency…

    • redskins12thman - Sep 26, 2016 at 11:10 AM

      Good stats!

    • ET - Sep 26, 2016 at 1:03 PM

      It’s nice to see the time of possession stat. If the offense continues to leave points on the table in the red zone, the run game (anemic or not) becomes increasingly important. Gotta keep our D off the field whenever possible.

  17. RuddyJamesDIO - Sep 26, 2016 at 10:09 AM

    Gruden not calling time out with 18 seconds left in the first half is complete incompetence. Also not going for two after the TD to go up by 3 points instead he kicks the extra point…..bone head.

    Sua Cravens needs to be on the field for the entire game!! Phillips needs to be benched and Fuller needs to actually be dressed and ready to go. Dunbar needs to take Phillips spot. Duke needs to be starting at safety. Breeland needs to be Breeland of last year…terrible start to the season. Kerrigan & Smith are invisible…horrible.

    Compton gets 1 tackle and 1 assist during the game?? For an ILB this is unacceptable. He is worthless. Get him out of there.

    • chimps000 - Sep 26, 2016 at 10:52 AM

      Dunbar played better at outside corner than breeland has been playing… I would leave him there until breeland completely healthy.

      At nickle play either toler or Everette, completely agree with u and the other commenter, phillips does not look NFL level and has had plenty of opportunity. Give one of those other guys an opportunity to make some plays.

      Compton isn’t flashing it’s true, but cravens is too small to play every down. He is 220 something pounds.

      • RuddyJamesDIO - Sep 26, 2016 at 1:40 PM

        Maybe so but you never know on Cravens until he’s given a chance. Compton isn’t doing anything for us.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 26, 2016 at 2:34 PM

          Cravens isn’t a Mike LB though. If he takes over for anyone it would be Foster in the “Mo” spot.

          I like Cravens as an ILB in the long run. But for now, I would like to see him at SS. Compton and Foster aren’t playing great, but they’re not playing bad. Bruton is playing BAD. I would like to see the 11 best guys out there more than getting too caught in positions with a versitile player like Cravens.

    • metalman5150 - Sep 26, 2016 at 11:17 AM

      After a loss – i would expect this sort of sentiment, but after a Win?!?!?!?!?

      • RuddyJamesDIO - Sep 26, 2016 at 1:41 PM

        Sorry…they gotten me all fired up. I almost had a stroke watching the game.

    • COSSkinsFan - Sep 26, 2016 at 12:20 PM

      I’m not a fan of Gruden and think his clock management is bad in general. Saying that I don’t think not calling the time out was horrible. We got up to the line quickly and had time for 2 plays. The issue I have is on the last play Cousins needs to look at 1, possibly 2 guys to throw too, if they aren’t open chuck it out of the end zone. This would leave plenty of time for the field goal. Trying to scramble to buy time in that situation was crazy. Reminded me of the Philly game last year. Franchise QB’s do not make those type of mistakes, period.

      • COSSkinsFan - Sep 26, 2016 at 12:21 PM

        Saving the time out gave them a chance in case Cousins got sacked.

        • bangkokben - Sep 26, 2016 at 11:14 PM

          But it didn’t. He did get sacked and the fumble chewed up the last second and a half. Kirk had to do his job which was throw it in the stands. Taking the timeout with 21 ticks on the clock gives you three chances. Mistake.

  18. Skulb - Sep 26, 2016 at 10:27 AM

    This game was much too exciting for me. I felt like going outside to sit in my yard until it was over a few times. I was very happy to finally get the offensive line I wanted a month ago, even if it took injuries to get there. Trent is great at tackle and great at guard. Nsekhe is very good at tackle while Lauvao/Long are average at guard. This is just such a no brainer to me and it needs to be for the season, and further until we can get a proper option at LG.

    Just to do the maths for you: Great+very good >>>Great+average. NO BRAINER I TELLS YA!

    • COSSkinsFan - Sep 26, 2016 at 10:52 AM

      Hopefully they go with this, I remember hearing a commentator I think it was in preseason saying that Scott thought Nsekhe could start at Lt for most teams. Time to see if he’s right.

    • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Sep 26, 2016 at 10:53 AM

      I doubt that Trent Williams wants to move from LT to LG, given that LT is the premium position on an offensive line.

      And yet Nsekhe-Williams-Long was opening holes like we haven’t been able to do yet this year.

      Maybe it could be a goal line offensive package, at least?

      • Skulb - Sep 26, 2016 at 11:13 AM

        From all I’ve heard out of Trent his main goal now is to win games. If he is the best solution at left guard, which he obviously is, and his replacement at LT is better than our left guards, which Ty obviously is, then it’s a slam dunk.
        This line gives us the best chance to win. Trent can go back to tackle when we have an equally good solution at left guard. I’m almost sure he would agree.

        I don’t know about you, but I’m about ready for us to have the best LG in the NFL play some games for us here.

        • COSSkinsFan - Sep 26, 2016 at 11:25 AM

          It would be temporary, until we can get better on the oline. I understand the financial aspect. Trent signed his extension last year. He will be getting paid like a top tier left tackle regardless of where he plays.

        • Skulb - Sep 26, 2016 at 11:30 AM

          Precisely. He’s got enough money as it is, and doesn’t care about that anymore. And he’ll go back outside when we can properly replace him at guard. Right now we can’t, and I’m really cold on Lauvao or Long at that position. They’ve had endless chances to make it work at an above backup level and they apparently can’t get it done.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 26, 2016 at 1:30 PM

          Guys. Everyone is getting a little too excited about Williams to LG. It was a mid game adjustment. The edge rushers didn’t watch tape on TY. Also, they didn’t do that great. They struggled in pass protection. We stopped throwing because they couldn’t protect Cousins.

          LT is one of the most important offensive positions. And we have an all pro left tackle. It makes no sense not to use him there.

        • Rich Tandler - Sep 26, 2016 at 1:31 PM

          Trent Williams will not play another snap at LG unless a similar emergency arises in the future.

        • Skulb - Sep 26, 2016 at 2:18 PM

          Yes it does. Nsekhe is a top five lineman on this team, which Scot repeatedly confirmed this summer. He has to play, and the only place he can play is at LT.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 26, 2016 at 2:39 PM

          It’s not just about the best 5 on the field. As backward as that sounds. Tackle is significantly more important than guard. So 1) it’s a waste of Williams talent to put him there.

          But 2) swing tackle is also a very important position. Because you’re screwed if you don’t have a good tackle. So if you start the swing tackle at any position, and he gets hurt, now you don’t have a capable tackle to come into the game.

          The would have to go sign another capable tackle (not just a body) to be our swing tackle. We might as well just go sign a guard or center if we’re going to do that. It would look like the most colossal screw up ever if Ty got hurt and then Moses got hurt and all we had were guards and centers on the line.

      • Skulb - Sep 26, 2016 at 11:17 AM

        Just a reminder also: Trent has been playing left tackle for a routinely terrible team, and has two winning seasons since he was drafted. I’m pretty sure he’s sick and tired of losing, and even that he may well welcome the move to guard, to get something fresh to occupy him. Personally I thought he looked fired up from the first snap at guard, as if he finally had something new and exciting to do. If this is more than a flash because of the sudden change I say we roll with it.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 26, 2016 at 2:40 PM

          Do you disagree that the pass protection got worse though? They did OK but it wasn’t great in my opinion. If passing is supposed to be the strength…

        • Skulb - Sep 26, 2016 at 3:05 PM

          I thought it was fine. Anyway, this is not about moving Trent, but about getting possibly our third best lineman in the game. The only reason Ty has been on the bench is that Trent is on the team. He is probably considered by the coaches better at RT than Moses. But Moses starts because he can’t play, or at least hasn’t practiced, LT and therefore can’t be the swing.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2016 at 6:36 PM

          If TY were better he’d start ahead of Moses. Moses is hardly legacy on the right side.

        • Skulb - Sep 26, 2016 at 7:10 PM

          Just going off what McCloughan has said. I already know he’s a better run blocker than Moses. Moses probably has the edge in pass pro.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2016 at 6:40 PM

          Using that line up on a regular basis require seeing how it would hold up on after teams game plan on it a few times. I agree you’d be putting the QB a worst risk on pass protection but certainly may improve the run game. I just don’t see that line up being the base. Maybe they could get creative by peppering in under certain game scenarios but that’s as far as I bet it’ll go.

        • Skulb - Sep 26, 2016 at 7:13 PM

          I have to go back to the maths.

          Scherff: 8
          Long: 6
          Lauvao: 6
          Williams: 10

          Nsekhe: 8

          This is how I see the questiopn. We can quibble about the numbers, but this is why I want to get Ty on the line as the starter. if he proves me wrong: great! Let’s go back to the old plan. Just let the guy play enough to prove me wrong before we’re all old and grey.

        • ET - Sep 26, 2016 at 7:50 PM

          Your math does have logic to it, but Trey asked a good question upthread—what happens if Ty gets injured? Who’s the backup tackle then, Scherff? Arie? If one of the tackles goes down, cue the nervous fidgeting, especially if you just lost your depth at the position.

        • Skulb - Sep 26, 2016 at 8:00 PM

          True. But you only have three tackles, four with Arie. If Ty gets injured Trent moves back outside and Lauvao comes in at guard I guess.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 27, 2016 at 2:42 AM

          Do you see Ari as a tackle though? I’m not even sure I see him as a professional football player. He’s looked pretty bad at guard.

        • Skulb - Sep 27, 2016 at 3:12 AM

          Not sure. Although people have been cultivated on our PS before. Baker was there for a good while, just to take one example, and pancaked Eli to help flip the script in yesterday’s game. Considering how long they’ve kept Arie around they must see something in him.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2016 at 8:14 PM

          I replied to the wrong thread earlier but I’d support the move to make this heavy lineup because I love what it did for the run game but I doubt coaches will stick with TW at guard against the teams with more fierce pass rushing like Minnesota coming up later

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 27, 2016 at 2:34 AM

          I went back and started rewatching the game. Haven’t gotten very far (been busy). But one one of the first run plays (it might have actually been the very first) Williams and Lavao got an amazing push. I couldn’t believe it. It was a straight power run and they just dug their feet in and started pushing shoulder to shoulder. They easily cleared a path where Jones could have gone 5 yards before even getting touched. However, Kory’s blocker completely overpowered him and tackles Jones for a 1-2 yard gain.

          My point? Lavao is plenty capable of run blocking and Williams is by far the best pass protector on the team. There’s no need to move Williams to guard is Lavao can play.

          My other point: it won’t matter if Williams is at guard if Kory is still at center. Those kinds of runs will fail. But on the very next play Kory pulled, got downfield, and made his block for a Chris Thompson first down. That’s what he’s good at. Notice the power run game got better not only with Trent at LG but Long at Center. They’re already getting a push from the left but not the center. Maybe we try Long at center before we pull our all pro LT and put him at LG? Or maybe we try calling run plays that accentuate the strength of our linemen? Kory is a zone blocking and pulling machine.

  19. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Sep 26, 2016 at 10:54 AM

    I agree on the Browns, Rich. This is exactly the kind of game we’ve out flat in and then lost over the years. The Browns would have put the Eagles away if their kicker didn’t miss 3 forty yard FGs.

    Also, who predicted that the Iggles would handle the Steelers better than we did? THIS GUY!

    • Skulb - Sep 26, 2016 at 11:22 AM

      The Igloos always show up the big teams in the most unexpected ways, and we never do. Then they lose to the bottom feeders the next week usually. Wentz is looking like the real deal so far though, and I’m a little worried about that.

      • sidepull - Sep 26, 2016 at 1:27 PM

        The Defense. Its prolly better than any other in the NFCE. That egirls defense with Wentz playing like he is could be the team to beat for the Division. They really look good and Schwartz as DC has really got them performing. I dont think it an anomaly. When they were 2-0 I was like so what but then the Steelers cant get any more than a FG on them.T hey are for real. If they jump on you early it looks like its not going to be easy to come back. That FG instead of TD habit of the Redskins is not what you want to see against that Egirls team.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 26, 2016 at 1:35 PM

          The Eagles look legit to me. Forget about Wentz for a second. That defense is for real. I think they clearly have the best D in the division and they’re probably a top 10 D. The good news is that if they end up doing REALLY well, maybe Schwartz gets another HC gig and he’s out of our hair. Say what you will about him as a HC, he’s a great DC.

          Wentz though. Whatever you want to call it, he looks for real in every way. He could end up being a one hit wonder or whatever. But for right now, he’s playing great ball. And their weapons are just good enough to make him lethal. The Eagles are the best team in the NFC East until someone proves otherwise.

        • Skulb - Sep 26, 2016 at 2:20 PM

          Right. Still, the Eagles struggled, and really got lucky, against the Browns. The Bears also played them tight for a while.
          I just think the Steelers were exposed and gave up at some point. They’re probably not as bad as they looked and the Eagles probably not as good. We’ll see though.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 26, 2016 at 2:45 PM

          I think the Steelers are the best team in the league right now. Maybe they go to #2 when Brady get back. So yeah, they’re not as bad as they looked. They just had a really bad day. And the Eagles had a really good day.

          But that Eagles D is playing just about how I expected. They have talent and Schwartz seems to make that wide 9 work. Wentz was the x-factor and it seems like he’s going to have one of those magical rookie seasons. That’s not me anointing him or anything. Just saying that it looks like everything is clicking for him right now. They’re a dangerous team.

          The Browns thing is forgivable to me. It was he first game of the season.

        • COSSkinsFan - Sep 26, 2016 at 2:46 PM

          Figured their d would greatly improve when Schwartz was hired, rest easy we got Barry and yes that’s super sarcasm.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2016 at 8:10 PM

          I’m for giving it a shot as a starting lineup. I just doubt the coaches wouldn’t simply because of reluctance to move Willaims to Guard. But I was debated heavily for suggesting moving Schreff to Guard after the daft. Look how that worked out.

          I loved the lineup as it opened up the running game so if coaches go that route then I’m on board

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 27, 2016 at 2:40 AM

          But Scherff is a guard. That seems to be his natural position and you picked up on that. Trent Williams isn’t just a tackle, he’s an elite tackle and he’s proved that season after season.

          People didn’t want to move Scherff to guard because it would mean we grossly overdrafted him (from a traditional draft standpoint anyway). Especially with the pass rushers who were still available at the time. I’m sure you know that guard is just less valuable than tackle. People wanted our top 5 overall pick at the more valuable position but it just wasn’t right for him (from what I understand).

        • bangkokben - Sep 26, 2016 at 11:22 PM

          Don’t play the Eagles for three weeks. It’ll be our third divisional game and their first.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2016 at 6:07 PM

      The Giants I’ll be the best team in the NFC East by season’s end. Eagles have made a nice run but really it was just one impressive win so far. The season is still young and the Eagles are an unknown group but coordinators will catch up to how they play and start to shut them down

      • Trey Gregory - Sep 27, 2016 at 2:47 AM

        I had the Giants winning the division before the season started. Even if Wentz turns into the next Johnny Unitis, the Giants still have Eli and great offensive weapons. I think NY’s D will improve as they play more together (hopefully ours will too?)

        It’s really Philly’s defense that had me worried all offseason and has me worried now. Wentz is just icing on their cake. I think that team is for real. I thought so before they beat Pittsburgh and that just kind of forced everyone to acknowledge they exist. I’m not saying they win the Super Bowl or even the division but they’re going to be a tough out.

  20. RussianBreadMaker - Sep 26, 2016 at 11:24 AM

    By the numbers” Number 35 (Phillips) needs to be benched. I don’t know what is going on with Fuller and why he is not dressing, but anyone has to be better than 35. Good lord.

    • greed - Sep 26, 2016 at 12:48 PM

      AGREED ! 0 the number of times i want to see phillips on defense

      • RuddyJamesDIO - Sep 26, 2016 at 1:48 PM

        Agreed…get Fuller in the game and let him gain some experience.

  21. greed - Sep 26, 2016 at 11:51 AM

    3- the number of games Will Compton has been nonexsistent. Is this a product of his play or the lack of big bodies infront of him unable to keep him clean or both

    • RuddyJamesDIO - Sep 26, 2016 at 1:47 PM

      No kidding…the guy has 1 tackle in the game and he is our starting inside linebacker. Its a product of his play. He has no idea where he is supposed to be and has no nose for the ball.

  22. redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2016 at 11:56 AM

    I’d like to see a more man coverage while giving Dunbar a shot on the other side of covering the #2. Put Norman on #1 while Breeland manages the slot. While that may be premature at this point, I’ve been reserved about Dunbar’s potential in the past, but he is making a believe out of me. I think he deserves a shot to start.

  23. bullets2586 - Sep 26, 2016 at 2:43 PM

    Does anyone else feel that Vernon Davis was a waste of money and a roster spot?

    • Trey Gregory - Sep 26, 2016 at 3:42 PM

      No. Not at all. I think he’s been great. His primary role is as a blocker and he’s doing fine. That work doesn’t exactly show up on the stat sheet. But he also has had a couple very key receptions. That’s all we need from him. 1-2 catches a game so the defense doesn’t automatically think run when he’s in and they have to account for him.

      The only bad thing about signing Davis is that he’s a 1-2 year solution and we lost Paulsen, who maybe could have stayed around longer.

      • bangkokben - Sep 26, 2016 at 11:30 PM

        Davis is a great pick-up. I would’ve liked to keep Paulsen too but I’d be shocked if Paulsen plays any longer then Davis.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 27, 2016 at 2:25 AM

          I thought about that while I was typing that. I was just basing it off age, but it’s not like Paulsen is a spring chicken. It’s a three year difference but Davis is clearly a genetic freak. I could see Davis retiring after the season, or playing just one more. And I could see the exact same for Paulsen. It’s a good point. I hated losing our best blocker but there’s always tough cuts and Davis is proving his worth.

    • sidepull - Sep 26, 2016 at 5:12 PM

      I think Davis was a great depth signing. After last years rash of injuries at that position I guess they wanted insurance. Its a long season.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2016 at 5:56 PM

      Not yet but I understand why you think so since I also thought he’d play a bigger role on the offense. I still think he can earn his contract as the season hits the “dead man walking” schedule that starts with the Bengals and ends with the Panthers

      • bullets2586 - Sep 27, 2016 at 1:40 AM

        I just don’t see him being worth the price. Still a good player and contributing, just not at the price we are paying him.

  24. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Sep 26, 2016 at 3:44 PM

    Tweet one:


    • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Sep 26, 2016 at 3:45 PM

      Tweet II.0:


  25. redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2016 at 6:03 PM

    The 2nd half group that played on offense line might be the largest in the NFL. Ty Nsekhe, T Williams, Long, Schreff, Moses must be quite imposing to stare down

    • snyderisanidiot - Sep 26, 2016 at 7:28 PM

      I liked that 2nd half offensive line group. They played like bullies. I like that!

  26. baugh33 - Sep 27, 2016 at 9:51 AM

    Can someone help me out – I am in an argument with a Giants fan. He insists OBJ “ate up” Norman – but I watched the game and where OBJ did have over 100 yards, I think Norman played him really well. Does anyone have the final stats on just that match-up? I feel like Norman did not allow over 100 yards.

    Any help would be wonderful and HTTR!

    • reedo3000 - Sep 27, 2016 at 9:58 AM

      Norman shadowed OBJ on 34 of 39 routes. 10 targets, 6 receptions, 107 yards, 0 TDs.

  27. lezziemcdykerson - Sep 27, 2016 at 1:49 PM

    Trent Williams at guard? No! I can’t believe you guys are that desperate week 4. Put Ty in there keep Trent outside. You’re paying 20M this year for an evaluation on Kirk. How smart is that money if he gets hurt because we’re playing “Comment section GM” with our O-line? Not to mention putting our franchise bookend in the trenches just screams freak injury to me. How smart would you guys look if Trent and Kirk get hurt on the same play?

    • Trey Gregory - Sep 27, 2016 at 2:52 PM

      My man Lezzie as the voice of reason. It’s an excellent point.

      I like Ty as a swing tackle, a lot. But I think it’s insane to take an all pro left tackle (a premium, premium position) just to maybe get a run game going slightly better. The pass is still more important. Ty isn’t even close to the same level as Williams. He’s serviceable in a pinch but he’s not THAT good.

      I said before. Lauvao was getting a push in the run game. Kory was the issue in the power run game. Now he’s gone and let’s see what happens.

      • lezziemcdykerson - Sep 27, 2016 at 8:36 PM

        All I can say is we made it to the playoffs last year without a run game. What exactly has this franchise done without a QB? Also now I’m seeing people wanting to push for Fuller to start. No! He should get a look, a few snaps. He hasn’t played a meaningful game in forever. Ease him into things, if he flashes then put more on his plate. I’ve been calling for more Cravens since I saw the shell of a defense week 1. He flashed and his talent is making the push for him to start. Wish we had worked him out more at SS. If Kendall flashes then have this talk about benching Phillips. Hopefully the FA can help but hopefully by the time that’s determined Fuller will have developed. Archives

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