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Need to Know: Redskins vs. Cowboys by the numbers

Sep 19, 2016, 5:41 AM EDT

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Here is what you need to know on this Monday, September 19, six days before the Washington Redskins visit the New York Giants.

Timeline

Today’s schedule: Jay Gruden news conference, 3 p.m., CSN

Days until: Browns @ Redskins 13; Redskins @ Ravens 20; Eagles @ Redskins 27

Five final thoughts on Redskins vs. Cowboys

102—Receiving yards for Dez Bryant on Sunday. Dak Prescott found him open when he needed to.

83—Rushing yards for Ezekiel Elliott on Sunday. The rookie needed 21 carries to get there but he slashed and battled for extra yards in an impressive performance. It wasn’t an utter failure by the rushing defense, just a team with a good young back and a solid offensive line committed to the run.

2—The number of red zone interceptions Kirk Cousins has this year, one in each game. He had zero in his career coming into the season.

0—The number of interceptions of any kind that rookie quarterback Dak Prescott has thrown in two games.

4.3—Matt Jones’ average per rushing attempt over two games this year. That not great but in a small sample size it is an improvement over the 3.4 average he posted as a rookie last year. If you give a back who averages 4.3 per carry 16 carries per game you have a back with 1,100 yards rushing by the end of the year.

29—The number of rushing attempts the Redskins have had in two games this season. That would project to 232 rushing attempts over the course of a season.

6—The number of field goal attempts Dustin Hopkins has hit in six attempts this year. Hey, at least something is going right.

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  1. redskins12thman - Sep 19, 2016 at 5:43 AM

    That loss hurt and places the Redskins in a position where they must win five games straight to have a realistic chance to make the playoffs: at Giants, vs. Browns, at Ravens, vs. Eagles and at Lions. Not an impossible feat, but a tall order, and one that calls for much improved played by Cousins and most other Redskins (yeah the team looked better than they did against the Steelers but the Cowboys are not the Steelers). If it was not code red before, it is now.

    Jackson, Garcon, Reed, Crowder and Norman again looked sharp. There was one play where three Cowboys marked Reed and two others marked Jackson; how could one of three other options not be open?

    The Redskins are not doing well against slot receivers too. While I am sure that it has happened, I don’t recall a time when Rogers in game 1 and Beasley in game 2 did not pick up a sizable game. Is Phillips struggling?

    Oddly enough, the Redskins started to get regular penetration when Murphy was forced to play as a DLineman, and not before. Pressure on QB was non-existent at first and that really hurt us; Prescott got way too much time to settle into the game. I’m not examining the plays closely, but is Smith being double-teamed?

    I can’t evaluate Bruton’s play but he doesn’t seem very involved at times. I think Breeland is a solid player but his confidence seems to be shaken; hopefully, he gets passed this. I thought Breeland played better against the Steelers than the Cowboys. Can’t wait for film breakdown.

    I agree with Rich and Trey — the sad thing is if Cousins plays better, the Redskins win yesterday; for the most part, Cousins seemed to have decent (i.e., good enough) pass protection. I was glad to see Cousins run the ball a couple of times picking up good yardage; this was inexplicably missing from the Steelers game.

    While the Redskins looked better than they did in their opener, they still look like one of the worst prepared teams this early part of the NFL season. The Cowboys fail an onside kick and we recover a fumble late in the game and we cannot put the game away? It’s the worst of both worlds — on the one hand, the Redskins cower at times as if they feel they’ll not good enough to compete. How does an NFL team start the season this way? On the other hand, players at other times seem to celebrate such routine plays as if they made or prevented a first down to seal the Super Bowl. Where’s the team’s perspective? Just win a freakin game first and go back and win another!

    Maybe there’s not enough of “do your job” mentality on both sides of the ball and the Redskins are trying too hard and over-penetrating the play on defense, leaving them susceptible to biting on an initial fake.

    On the bright side, special teams played well. Besides that, the team’s overall readiness is a disgrace. The Redskins should have won by more than a touchdown yesterday. We need Kirk Cousins to rebound in a big way!

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    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 19, 2016 at 8:36 AM

      That was a good analysis of the game. I was also pleasantly surprised to see Murphy so active in getting pressure.

      Cousins is struggling and needs to work out of his passing slump. His overall decision making and poor passing is hurting this offense.

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    • ET - Sep 19, 2016 at 10:54 AM

      “Oddly enough, the Redskins started to get regular penetration when Murphy was forced to play as a DLineman, and not before. Pressure on QB was non-existent at first and that really hurt us”

      Murphy had a very good outing, perhaps his best in burgundy and gold. He was one of the bright spots for me.

      I don’t have All 22, but my first reaction is Phillips had a subpar game. Beasley made some important catches and tacked on YAC as well. Disappointing, but by no means the major issue in this loss, as you point out.

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    • Trey Gregory - Sep 19, 2016 at 11:45 AM

      It makes me so happy that you guys saw Murphy playing well too and I don’t have to sit here wondering if I’m crazy for saying it.

      I think he needs to see the field more. But as more if a nickel DE. Kerrigan and Smith are clearly the starting OLBs. But when we go to a 4 man front it provides an opportunity to put Murphy’s hand in the dirt, with Baker and Hood in the middle, then either Kerrigan or Smith on the other side. It also gives one of our OLBs a breather to help keep them fresh. I personally think Murphy can be disruptive in that role and it’s at least worth trying with some regularity.

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      • greed - Sep 19, 2016 at 11:52 AM

        no your 100% right and at this point im starting murphy over hood

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        • Trey Gregory - Sep 19, 2016 at 12:03 PM

          Interesting. As the base DE or do you want Murphy inside with Kerrigan and Smith outside in a 4 man front?

      • greed - Sep 19, 2016 at 12:47 PM

        at base end murphy and baker with RJF and jenkins rotating , what they need to figure out is NG

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        • Trey Gregory - Sep 19, 2016 at 3:05 PM

          It’s crazy enough to work. I personally see him as more of a nickel DE and would like a little more beef in base. Especially without a true nose. But I also think it’s worth a shot to throw him in as a base 3-4 DE and see what happens. You might be right. Sometimes all a guy needs is a chance.

          Murphy should have never been out at OLB in the NFL. It was fine in college but he’s not the guy you want dropping in coverage on 80% of his snaps. But he sets the edge well, tackles well, and I think we would see him get more pressure if he had the opportunity. His biggest issues coming out of college was awful upper body strength. So, tell him to keep that weight on. If he has gotten stronger then he should be disruptive up front. Not like 20 sacks. But 6-10? Sure. With a little luck he can probably get close to 10.

    • greed - Sep 19, 2016 at 12:42 PM

      not only is phillips struggling he always lost as where to line up at ! David burton is AWFUL !

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  2. colorofmyskinz - Sep 19, 2016 at 6:49 AM

    Wow is all I have to say. Not only is this team worse than last year, I honestly think .500 is not in play if we continue to play like this.

    Defense is much worse than last year. It begins with the front 9 honestly. DLine is completely nonexistent. Our DLine is horrifically worse than last year. I would say our DLine is the worst I have ever seen. Worst pressure ever in history. Edge rushing is not even college level. Middle line backers where? Safeties? OMG defense is Code Red. Norman is the only one worth anything. I cannot believe Defense has digressed as much as it has from last year.

    Now Cousins. Wow. Brain fart to the max. Looking like on track for 30 ints this year. How many penalties by Kory this year??? Penalties by the line??? Wow.

    The 2 weakest links were called out by us before we started this year. DLine is horrible. Center is horrible.

    Not even sure if one offseason of personnel hanged can fix this mess. We basically need 6 of 7 new Dlinemen.

    We need to take a risk on Long as Center immediately. We have literally NOTHING to lose. This season is all but over. What are the stats? No team has ever made the playoffs starting the season with 2 home game losses since 2003? I completely see it.

    CODE RED. Complete disaster.

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    • redskins12thman - Sep 19, 2016 at 6:58 AM

      Sometimes fans get criticized for not having a clear picture of the team, but I do agree that fans saw need to upgrade center, someone to challenge for starting LG (with Lauvao injury) and D-line. It’s not that the Redskins didn’t address, it’s that their solutions have yet to pan out, and we are hurting because of it.

      We may even be worse at safety too.

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      • skinsgame - Sep 19, 2016 at 9:19 AM

        We are definitely worse at Safety. D Hall is bad and invisible if not getting blocked downfield. Burton has been bad.

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      • COSSkinsFan - Sep 19, 2016 at 10:27 AM

        I’m not sure how those needs were addressed. Baker is a good end. At the other positions we have an 11 year career backup and a former starter who was cut by 2 teams and had been on the street awhile when we signed him. You don’t draft a guy in the 5th round and count on him to start. As for center and LG, nothing was done. Getting gashed by the run game seems like a pretty predictable outcome

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      • Trey Gregory - Sep 19, 2016 at 11:48 AM

        Yup. I was wrong about center. My man Kory used to get by with great technique and athleticism but he’s clearly regressed and it’s causing problems.

        What’s disturbing is that nobody has been able to beat him.

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        • chimps000 - Sep 19, 2016 at 2:25 PM

          I didn’t see Kory getting destroyed out there, I saw good pass protection, and some holes in the run game that Jones did a good job with. I haven’t rewatched the game, was Kory that bad?

  3. colorofmyskinz - Sep 19, 2016 at 6:59 AM

    Bench Bruton and Phillips please. Inhencho and Fuller are much better. Losing Martrel sucks because it looks like we need him because our ILBs have wet the bed. Front 9 horrible.

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  4. sidepull - Sep 19, 2016 at 7:09 AM

    $19 mill and you think you could throw a fade, even when you get multiple attempts at it. That was some sorry #@^%. Or try calling a different play. It is frustrating to watch this team lose at home to the cowboys, a game that was there for the taking. I think thats what magnifies the loss. Cuz hits any number of open receivers and its game over. Things wouldnt sound as harsh today. But getting beat at home, by two rookies, that just stinks. I like Cravens and Norman. I give Jones his props. He was better when he had the chance to run the ball. Thats my positive.

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  5. Eli - Sep 19, 2016 at 7:10 AM

    By the numbers continued:

    3) Cousins has played three consecutive bad or unimpressive home games beginning with the Green Bay playoff game.

    For all the off-season daily drama by obnoxious media personalities (not Rich Tandler), taking a pause and not hastily signing Cousins to a long-term contract appears to be a shrewd move by McCloghan and the organization.

    By the numbers continued:

    0) The number of head coaches McCloughan has hired since arriving in Washington. This season could quickly spiral out of control. The odds say they’ll be an 0-3 team in a week, and 1-4 following the Ravens game. As we all know, McCloughan inherited this head coach and staff and the team doesn’t seem to play the kind of physical brand of football he claims to prefer. If this season ends ugly all bets are off.

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    • colorofmyskinz - Sep 19, 2016 at 7:23 AM

      Yep coaches are going to start falling if we go 0-3. Start with inbred Barry please. Someone please break up this Tampa organization from old please. It is an old Tampa love fest and it is not working.

      Anyone see Dhall make a real tackle yet? I didn’t think so. We need to use player conversion as a backup, not a primary.

      We should move to our youngest talent and use this season as a development season for them. We lose next week and the season is over. Start developing the team for next year.

      Jones did come alive and look like the talent we invisioned.

      What a horrible start. People like Norman are probably thinking why the hell did I come here…

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      • snyderisanidiot - Sep 19, 2016 at 7:33 AM

        Next season is the 3rd year in the development process of the GM. It was only supposed to take 3 or 4 years not 10.

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      • redskins12thman - Sep 19, 2016 at 7:39 AM

        Tomlin from Tampa has had ups and downs in prior seasons but the Steelers looked great in the opener. Pittsburgh was ready to start the season.

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      • bullets2586 - Sep 19, 2016 at 9:45 AM

        I remember Hall making one in first game because they are so rare it’s like seeing a unicorn. I’m waiting for his personal fouls at the worst time to start showing up like they have in past years. I’m betting he’ll catch one of those in the next game. Sad when you see the negative in your team instead of the positives because they have a loooong history of being bad and imploding.

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        • colorofmyskinz - Sep 19, 2016 at 10:27 AM

          Let’s face it. Hall is a safety only teams play when they are trying to get cute. I never see him because the cameras usually follow the ball and he is never any where close to a ball. If it is a tackle he needs to make, he shys away from the contact, brushes the individual until a real tackler can finish the job. Hall only is a starting safety for our team. He would never make the rotation with any of the other 31 teams.

  6. sidepull - Sep 19, 2016 at 7:11 AM

    Spaight was my come back player this year. Unfortunate circumstances. I hope he recovers. Last year this team was decimated with injuries. This year we have guys chomping at the bit and cannot get em the ball.

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  7. sidepull - Sep 19, 2016 at 7:38 AM

    Its still too early to push the panic button or push the ejection button on coaching. I gotta admit allowing 4th down conversions on the regular is ticking me off and I want to see Barry outta here, its still no great division. Eli, no TDs and still won, Cowboys were there yesterday for the taking and more needs to be revealed with the Eagles. I am still looking for a ray of hope here.

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    • colorofmyskinz - Sep 19, 2016 at 7:49 AM

      We could start by cutting Kedric. You know he will clear waivers. Put him on practice squad and bring up Ionnadis. Give him some reps to develop. That is a simple move to make with absolutely no loss.

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  8. RuddyJamesDIO - Sep 19, 2016 at 8:06 AM

    Did you watch Cravens when Compton went out of the game? The man can play!!! He needs to be in the line up starting at ILB. Hes very instinctive and has a nose for the ball. Something Compton doesn’t have and will never have. You drafted these guys for a reason…..play them!!!!

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  9. colorofmyskinz - Sep 19, 2016 at 8:22 AM

    Honestly, it is not about losing 2 games at home to start the season that is bad. What is bad is the tape of those 2 games that shows we cannot even compete at an average level. That is the problem. The tape shows how we are capable of competing – which shows we are not al all.

    Locker room is starting to come unglued. One more loss and we should be back to situation normal in DC – plenty of drama. Now we will get to here every game about the Cousins contract. Oh wait a minute, we already said that the franchise tag and lack of contract discussions would hurt this year.

    Too much pressure for Kirk and this story is just beginning. We should ruin both drafted QBs once this story is over. Should we make it 3 for 3 and ruin Nate too? Wow.

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    • COSSkinsFan - Sep 19, 2016 at 10:45 AM

      Let’s hope the locker room can stay together til we can get some wins. Cousins has been horribly inaccurate and made bad decisions. I can’t imagine fiery guys like Norman and DeSean not saying something to him. Garcon gave him a glare after the int. Beyond the team losing both DeSean and Garcon are in contract years so his play has an effect on next year’s contract. Cousins inaccuracy makes routine catches difficult.

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  10. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Sep 19, 2016 at 8:27 AM

    We started this game just like the Steelers…turning opportunities into FGs or nothing.

    But the Cowboys tried to give it back to us! And then we’re all, “no thanks, you have it.”

    Lots of games over several seasons where we consistently commit dumb penalties and mental errors. At some point, don’t you have to question the coaching?
    ~

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  11. wvredskins - Sep 19, 2016 at 8:34 AM

    I reckon it could be easy to put all the blame on Cousins, but I am not going to go there. I think this defense is historically bad, with exceptions of Norman and a few others. Trent Murphy looks like our best pass rusher at this time. We get no pressure from the defensive front. And HOW MANY TIMES did the Cowboys run that play action bootleg where Kerrigan would V-line for the running back and every time that play was ran, there was a wide open receiver in the flat with NOONE close to him. And how many times does Dez Bryant have to run the in-breaking/post route before D-Hall/Bruton comes up and sniffs that play out?!! Yeah we can put the blame on Breeland, but good Safety’s in this league help their corners out and at this point our Safety’s are non-existent! These are the plays that our defense has to make.

    Yes Cousins had his faults in this game, and I dont think Cousins is ready to put this team on his back to win ANY games! I dont know if Cousins is just feeling alot of Pressure or what. He looks good between the 20’s but in the Redzone he has been struggling. Our play calling isnt up to Par either. RUN THE FREAKING BALL! and when you have the defense focused on two players Reed/ Jackson, find the open receivers!

    Cousins and company have to step up! The team must stay united and should not point the finger at any giving player and most importantly you cannot put all the blame on Cousins! Last time I checked this is a team game!

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    • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Sep 19, 2016 at 9:03 AM

      I agree, Trent Murphy was a bright spot out there.

      Maybe they should just put him on the D.L. like they were planning before the Galette injury and see how it works out.
      ~

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    • skinsgame - Sep 19, 2016 at 9:44 AM

      Cousins missed Garçon in the end zone with another worm burner. I counted three missed TD passes and that doesn’t include his INT. He was bailed out a few times by great catches too. His inaccurate passes are beginning to look like Griffins. Same issues. I think Cousins is another head case, like Griffin. Pains me to say it. He shows up sometimes but, overall, he’s hurting the team.

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      • hail74 - Sep 19, 2016 at 11:16 AM

        Cousins had a bad game and that pass was low but to be fair He threw the ball to the proper location. If Claiborne doesnt slip hes on the route and swats it away if its thrown where Garcon was. Instead he falls, grabs Garcon and the refs miss obvious PI.

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      • wvredskins - Sep 19, 2016 at 11:30 AM

        The one Cousins missed on Garcon was due the defender holding onto his Jersey CLEAR as day. I believe Garcon would have caught that ball if not IMO. Yeah Cousins missed fired on some balls. So doesnt every QB in the league. We do not have the defense just as well as we dont have a QB who can win the game on his own.

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    • chimps000 - Sep 19, 2016 at 10:41 AM

      Cousins lost this game, simple as that. Mediocre to below average QB play wins this game. Cousins played levels below that.

      The only way this team doesn’t go 4-12 is if cousins and the passing attack play at a high level and carry the defense.

      People aren’t happy with the defense but the GM added nobody to a bad front 7 from last year, and at least he looks like he lucked into a game changing player in Norman (albeit at 14 mill a year).

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  12. sidepull - Sep 19, 2016 at 8:53 AM

    Dallas ran the ball 30 times w 3 rushing TDs and threw 30 times. Nice balanced attack. Redskins ran the ball 17 times and two of those were by Kirk. Still, Kirk could have won that game yesterday by hitting wide open receivers and by not throwing the back breaking interception in the end-zone. Matt Jones saved Cuzs butt with that quick grab that had the ball in his face as soon a s he turned around. I mean yesterday was a QB debacle. Our guy coudnt even get a Hail Mary in bounds. In spite of the defense, in spite of a lackluster QB performance in the first half, despite it all, they still could have had a chance of winning had Cuz not to thrown that interception. That was game over and he knew it. Time to move on and maybe he pulls his head out of his butt and shows up looking like a baller in NY.

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    • theismann7 - Sep 19, 2016 at 11:12 AM

      Don’t hold your breathe. I’m thinking Colt McCoy will be starting soon.

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  13. abanig - Sep 19, 2016 at 8:59 AM

    Here’s an issue I have. Cousins does his best work off of play action, but if there is no commitment to the running game then the play action is useless. Unlike last year, Jones and Thompson are getting positive yards on most of their carries. There is little excuse for how infrequent the skins give them the ball.

    More carries for them = more play action passes and more boots for Cousins which should equal better results in the passing game.

    On defense, the rushing D wasn’t that bad as you said. Elliot averaged under 4 ypc.

    My issue continues to be with 2 players on D. Bruton and Phillips. It’s a bit frustrating for me to see Ihenacho be inactive while Bruton missed tackles and gets worked constantly against anyone in an opposing jersey except for one play to save a TD against the steelers where he was beat on, he just made a good diving pass break up.

    If they’re not going to activate Ihenacho then it makes zero sense to me to not have Blackmon or Cravens be the other safety and relegate Bruton to just special teams duty. The skins need better coverage on slot receivers and TEs and it’s been the fault mostly of Bruton and Phillips.

    As for Phillips, he can’t stay within 5 yards of a WR to save his life. I realize he won the job coming out of camp but they’re just being plain stubborn if they continue to play him over the other 3 corners and a corner turned safety that they had behind him before the season started.

    Making two moves there should help the defense overall.

    As for the DL there’s honestly not much yuu could do to help at DE/DT other than re-sign Knighton or sign Sammie Hill when he comes off of suspension in for week 5.

    How many snaps did Cullen Jenkins even play? I didn’t see him out there much at all even after Golston hurt his hammy on the first play.

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    • chimps000 - Sep 19, 2016 at 10:30 AM

      I actually gained more respect for McVay’s coaching last year in watching this game. Last year I bitched we were sticking with an ineffective running game far too much, we were basically throwing away downs routinely, late in the year cousins was playing well and we had the weapons for a high powered passing attack. I chalked
      it up to McVay and Gruden protecting Cousins from himself, and thought it was overdue to take the training wheels off.

      I was wrong, put the training wheels back on!!!!

      To your point about Bruton and Phillips, last year I thought Blackmon did a nice job in zone- they all said he looked great in camp- but he can’t get on he field over Phillips? I understand he isn’t a burner but like you said Phillips doesn’t seem to be in great position a whole lot…

      But I mean that defense lacks talent. I was a little surprised how open dez Bryant was constantly in the first quarter, it’s like joe Barry and his team weren’t aware he is Dallas’ go to player, but really why should I be surprised by that.

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    • ET - Sep 19, 2016 at 11:10 AM

      “Here’s an issue I have. Cousins does his best work off of play action, but if there is no commitment to the running game then the play action is useless.”

      This is a great point and should be called out.

      Not only is Cousins more efficient when play action is working well, he looks much more comfortable. He’s great at selling play action, and because he’s multi-tasking (first selling the play action, then looking for targets), it seems to lessen his tendency to stare down receivers. If we see a more balanced offense, Cousins should improve. That balance is clearly out of whack right now. And I don’t blame Jones or Thompson for that.

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      • chimps000 - Sep 19, 2016 at 11:35 AM

        I remember watching one replay yesterday that showed Cousins just straight staring his WR down from the snap until the throw… he is panicked, and you guys are right, he needs a lot more runs and time to calm down.

        The Giants game is winnable, I’m not sold on them being some great team, and the Browns are the Browns. This could get turned around and they could be 2-2 pretty soon.

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    • ET - Sep 19, 2016 at 12:23 PM

      Still not sure what I think of Bruton, but I’m an Ihenacho fan so I’d like to see The Nacho get some snaps, at least on run downs.
      I agree about Phillips, he just not getting the job done. He’s been very reactive and often a step behind. To my eye, DHall isn’t playing very well, either.

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      • abanig - Sep 19, 2016 at 12:50 PM

        Yeah, I agree with that but my hope is that with Hall he is still adjusting to playing FS full time.

        Bruton & Phillips have been playing their respective positions presumably since high school.

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      • Trey Gregory - Sep 19, 2016 at 12:59 PM

        I think you’re correct about all of that. What a difference a day makes. Bruton and Phillips are failing. Hall needs to do better.

        The issue is, do we have anyone better? I don’t think Ihenacho is an improvement. There’s no such thing as run downs any more. Teams will throw 10 times in a row if you stack the box or the see a favorable matchup. Ihenacho can’t cover and anybody he’s covering is a favorable matchup for the offense.

        I’m all about the youth movement though. Let Fuller, Cravens, Kelley, and maybe Everett play more and let’s see what happens. I’m not quite as ready to start Lanier but I would like to see Murphy get more snaps.

        I know one thing, I saw some old ass dudes making plays yesterday. Like, 35-38 year olds making big plays in big moments. There aren’t any young upgrades on the couch right now. But maybe, just maybe, we should be looking at some older guys to come in on short term deals. I think the obsession over age is ridiculous. Damn Dwight Freeney is still playing better than half the guys out there. James Harrison, Deangelo Williams, there’s more too. I just don’t know their names off the top of my head.

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        • chimps000 - Sep 19, 2016 at 2:27 PM

          I would like to see more Cravens and Fuller, our 2nd and 3rd round guys. Sure, they are going to make mistakes, but I don’t see Compton making huge plays, and Phillips isn’t playing well.

  14. bullets2586 - Sep 19, 2016 at 9:40 AM

    Fire Joe Barry. He’s a hot dumpster fire.

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  15. lezziemcdykerson - Sep 19, 2016 at 9:48 AM

    I see the case to the panic button has been opened.

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    • Trey Gregory - Sep 19, 2016 at 1:00 PM

      I would love to hear your thoughts man. You and I shared similar opinions after week 1. This one feels different to me though.

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      • lezziemcdykerson - Sep 19, 2016 at 4:58 PM

        I’m thoughtless. I read through some of these comments earlier and made the decision to reserve my thoughts. Didn’t want to sound emotional. This was a tough loss. Crowder should have 2 TDs. Kirk should have 3+. I felt that the game planning this week was MUCH better than last week. We mixed in some hurry up though we did not commit to it as much as I would like, even after experiencing success. I know this is going to sound extreme but Cousins is giving off some major RGIII vibes. Only being able to read half the field. Rushing his throws, poor technique (but does not have the injury propensity to justify it) and now the dissension in the locker room. I honestly still haven’t seen enough of him to render him dead. How much of this was rust? He didn’t get a lot of PT in the preseason. How much of this is him just having bad games? Pitt is Pitt and Dal rose to the occasion.. division game etc etc. OR has Kirk not been there all along? We kept hearing Breeland and Dunbar picking him off in practice. Thinking that shows growth for our CB unit but Dunbar hasn’t even shown up on a stat sheet. Clearly our nickel and dime backs aren’t getting it down we’re getting killed in the slot. Breeland is a capable corner and we see Kirk getting picked off by his caliber of CB now. These aren’t the Norman’s of the world picking him off. Shazier is ok but that wasn’t a terrific play on the ball, it was thrown right to him. All of the picks have been thrown right to the defender. That said:

        1. STILL. TOO. SMALL OF. A. SAMPLE. SIZE. For anything! Pay Kirk, don’t pay kirk. This is going to be a 5-11 season. Blah blah it’s too early for all of this. This is two games. And he has improved. Albeit incrementally but he kept us in the game late. Sustained a few drives just need to improve red zone efficiency. We have 14 more chances to get it right. By the quarter pole I’ll have an opionin. I hate being wrong though, that’s why I like to get as much data as possible. I don’t want to call Kirk, Rex Grossman and he comes out and makes a fool out of me with another late season run. I asked last week what if this is just his hallmark? Eli does this same disappearing act every year he’s won a SB.

        2. I will certainly give Kirk a larger portion of blame this game. I think defense gets about 45% but some of that was because we paid Josh a small fortune and refuse to make him rise to the level of top paid CB’s. It’s like the opposite of what we’re experiencing with Kirk. They want Kirk to put up top tier numbers before they pay. Yet pay Josh and not assign top guy tasks to him… because it’s too complicated.

        3. Cravens! I don’t want to beat a dead horse but if there were ANY DL with motors like Cravens available in the 4th *mumbles something vaguely threatening under breath* Cravens is going to work out we need even more of him. Everywhere! Put his a** in at NT and see how he does! Do we know if he can throw a decent spiral or play C? IJS.

        4. Running game was much improved but still didn’t crack 100. Alfred really hurt my feelings I had to look away. Too soon.

        5. Doctson sighting! It’s nice to see our draft class contributing. Not sure if Fuller’s lack of PT is due to overcrowding or him being out played. I want to believe the former because if it’s the latter we have a depth perception problem at corner. Ha! That was low hanging fruit I shouldn’t be cracking jokes right now. Someone might call me a fake fan “this isn’t a laughing matter!”

        I don’t know I just feel this entire state of emergency was brought on by being way too high on a guy that only looked good for half a season. If some of these comments seem extreme it’s because the expectration didn’t match the level of trust and confidence a lot of people bestowed onto him. Here it is, his second week two and we still don’t have a clue who he is. Forget about whether we should pay him or not. He’s already getting paid. What about the evaluation? That’s what we need to get right! I don’t want them paying him just because it’s a seller’s market. His inconsistency has plagued him. Come in while RGIII gets hurt first play is a TD. Next game vs Phi AVG. Come in when RGIII gets benched, after 6 games Kirk’s riding pine next to him. Now you’re the starter, bad first half, great second half. Now you’re in the playoffs, disappearing act. Now you have an entire offseason to progress. Same system, same receivers hell more receivers and you get to practice against Norman, Breeland and WC. From the practices he’s been inconsistent this offseason too. Just didn’t show in preseason because of vanilla offenses and lack of PT. Is this a case of rust or more to come? By week 4 we’ll have faced 2 division opponents, a winning team and a true loser. If we’re still winless after that… it’s a long way to go til the bye week.

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  16. Mr.moneylover - Sep 19, 2016 at 9:49 AM

    Kirk cousins is only good in no huddle and jay gruden can’t see that …and joe barry should be fired for not blitzing alot and for them to not tell they CBs to press they wanna have breeland drop back 12 yards to basically give up the touchdown

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    • Trey Gregory - Sep 20, 2016 at 3:22 AM

      You play off to not give up the TD or big play. That’s the whole point of it.

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  17. mauriceatwood - Sep 19, 2016 at 10:10 AM

    I haven’t been sold on Jay Gruden since about halfway through his first season. The players are just not motivated by this guy and his game plans are not working. Snyder gave him what he wanted and after beating a bunch of sub par teams our Skins won the division and then got throttled at home by Green Bay. The loss Pittsburgh showed there hasn’t been much improvement and now with another home loss to the Cowboys this season is already in peril with a trip to New York up next. Colorofmyskinz is right on the money in saying that a less than .500 season may be at hand and if that happens we can all waive bye to Jay Gruden and Kirk Cousins.

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    • Trey Gregory - Sep 20, 2016 at 3:20 AM

      I don’t like the idea of firing any coach after 3 seasons. You never get ahead like that. It doesn’t always work out but at least you gave it a chance to succeed if you’re patient.

      Unrealistic expectations may be at play here. This was a 3-win team when Gruden took over. I do not believe he was ready for the HC job and his first year was not good. But he also had a mess on his hands. He showed me major improvement last year, and I don’t mean the record. The team overall looked better. But they just happened to go 9-7 and win the division. Seems like a lot of people expected them to pick up from that perspective. But I’ve been saying all summer I saw this team getting better but only winning 7 games. Because things adjust. We weren’t actually as good as a 9-7 team last year. The weak division inflated our numbers.

      But now I do believe this team is better than last year. It seems to be just one player really holding us back. I think Gruden is a very smart coach who is still learning and growing into his own as a coach. The Browns (now Ravens) had Bellichick as a coach. Think they wish they stayed patient with him?

      From the outside it appears he made a mistake by having too easy if a camp and resting guys too much in preseason. Cousins just doesn’t look ready. If he suddenly starts playing like his old self in a week or two, I think we will know why. Hopefully Gruden learned that lesson and will learn to balance injurybrisk vs. hard work and getting the players into a tough mental mindset. But teams who fire their coaches every couple years never truly finish rebuilding. 8-8 would be a great season for year 2 of a rebuild and does not warrant Gruden getting fired.

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  18. chimps000 - Sep 19, 2016 at 10:16 AM

    Pass protection was excellent. Cousins missed 3 wide open td throws when he was under zero pressure. Mediocre QB play connects on 2-3 of those. He is playing at an atrocious non-starter level, I don’t care about his dink and dunk completion percentage. Im not even getting into his game ending red zone pick.

    The defense played better than I expected. My expectations were not high.

    Matt Jones ran the best I have ever seen him- he looked like a real NFL RB in there, not a star, but a legit RB for the first time.

    D Hall was invisible, which I guess is better than game 1 where he was visibly late and out of position. Norman is playing outstanding, Breeland continues to play terribly, and it did take joe Barry awhile to see it- he was leaving him one on one with dez in the first quarter. Ah, Joe Barry.

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    • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Sep 19, 2016 at 10:39 AM

      Breeland has had good games against Dez before.

      It’s these last two games where he seems to have suddenly regressed.
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      • chimps000 - Sep 19, 2016 at 10:54 AM

        I’m with you. Maybe Breeland is battling some nagging injury we don’t know about. But after last week, you would think that Barry would give him safety help on Dez in the first quarter. Barry did seem to give more help on Dez later in the game.

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      • Trey Gregory - Sep 19, 2016 at 12:39 PM

        Breeland hasnt regressed, he’s shell shocked. There’s a bit of luck to every position in this game. Every edge rusher has about 10 times a year they could get a sack but don’t. Some years those sacks roll their way and they put up all pro numbers, sometimes they don’t. Outside of Von Miller basically every other elite pass rusher (Houston and Watt for example) has huge fluctuations in their sacks from year to year. Not because they regress (even when healthy) but sometimes stuff just goes your way.

        Breeland had a lot of luck go his way when he shut Dez down as a rookie. There wasn’t any tape on him, so Dez didn’t know his tendencies. But you can also break on a ball at the right time and swat it down/get a pick or you can be off and the WR can take it for a huge play.

        Breeland was playing 3 feet off Dez at all times after the first couple completions yesterday. He’s scared. Dez knows Breeland now and is playing him like it. Back to reality for Redskins fans. We have one all-pro corner and a very good third year guy who is still developing but needs help right now. GIVE BREELAND HELP. He must have it when facing the No. 1. And he might honestly need it in general right now until he gets his confidence back.

        The problem is that teams know this. They don’t want Hall to come over the top and help. So they send a slot receiver and 2 TEs out. Or any variation of 5 receivers. Now Hall is forced to cover a TE because apparently Bruton can’t.

        Only a couple (realistic) things will fix this. 1) Better pressure from the D-line so that TEs/RBs have to stay and block. 2) Cravens and Fuller get up to speed Quick: Norman and Breeland on the edge, Fuller in the slot, Cravens on a TE, then another LB on a TE with Hall over top. 3) We get a safety who can cover better than Bruton. That would free up Hall. Maybe that’s Blackmon? Maybe Everett? I know it’s not Ihenacho. 4) have Norman shadow the No. 1. But they better start practicing that stuff a lot every day.

        It’s just not realistic to expect Breeland to play as well as an all pro corner. It’s absurd that Barry ever thought he could. That plan has crushed Breeland’s confidence and, not to be dramatic, it might not come back (See RG3). There’s an entire sub field of psychology dedicated to getting athletes their confidence back. That kind of stuff happens.

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        • ET - Sep 19, 2016 at 1:27 PM

          Great comments on Breeland. We shouldn’t give up on him but the guy clearly needs some help. He might need to sit and/or platoon at his position for awhile, even. And that’s ok.

      • greed - Sep 19, 2016 at 1:55 PM

        yea in those games against dez , breeland was playn in your face press man coverage not passive 10 yds off the ball coverage against a guy who not running buy you that a scheme d cordinator problem

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        • Trey Gregory - Sep 19, 2016 at 3:00 PM

          Exactly. We have to look at the difference between press man coverage and zone. I like zone, I’m a big fan because it’s hard to beat or trick and it doesn’t give up big plays if executed properly. But it has two inherent problems. 1) It’s harder for inexperienced players to learn. 2) It will give up some kind of underneath rout.

          Because they’re asking the DBs to play back and react, a QB can often find a receiver but they just don’t get many YAC. That’s a mindset thing too. Zone isn’t aggressive, it’s strategic. I think that messes with some players. They want to be aggressive, not think too much, and just dominate. I think we need to mix in more looks. This game made me realize that.

          There are schemes to play both at the same time. Either have your LBs and safeties play zone while the CBs are in man OR start in a zone and turn to man post snap once you see where the receivers are going and who has who. Nick Saben developed that second system with the help of Bellichick to defeat the college spread. It’s not a gimmick but it would require some extra practice hours.

        • bullets2586 - Sep 19, 2016 at 7:10 PM

          1st game of season and he gets A Brown. Any corner looks bad against him one on one. and Breeland did well against Dez. So Breeland is fine.

  19. renhoekk2 - Sep 19, 2016 at 10:18 AM

    Cousins has not picked up where he left off for sure. That pick in the end zone was killer. As was the miss to DJAX and the under throw to Doctson. Plays that could have put more points on the board. I can’t put the blame for 0-2 only on him though. 5 QB’s have 3 INTs on the season and 3 of them are on 2-0 teams. The Redskins are not good enough as a team to overcome their mistakes. The league avg for points per game for a team the last 7 seasons has hovered around 22.5 pts per game. The offense right now is avg 21.5 pts. The defense is giving up an average of 32.5pts/gm. Cousins also leads the league in pass attempts. That’s crazy. They need to find a balance on offense. Yesterday the Redskins avg 4.8yds per rush and Dallas averaged 3.4. Dallas ran it 30 times the Redskins ran it 17. Anybody else see a problem with that ratio? The Redskins have the fewest rushing attempts in the league. Cousins is not good enough to carry a team on his own. Between the poor defense and the lack of interest in running the ball, Cousins has to play a perfect game, no INT’s and no missed passes for them to win. That’s not going to happen. Ever. You know why guys like Garoppolo and Osweiler are 2-0? Because their teams play good defense and league the league in rushing attempts. The Skins don’t need to look any further than their own history. 2012 they were third in the league in rushing attempts, behind only SEA and NE. Two pretty good teams that know how to win. Instead Gruden and McGloughan thought they good revolutionize the game of football and lineup a bunch of really good pass catchers and just outscore everyone but throwing it 45 times a game. I would say it’s time to go to plan B, but this coaching staff has shown they don’t usually have a plan B.

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    • colorofmyskinz - Sep 19, 2016 at 10:39 AM

      Great points and our coaching staff have placed the worst 2 game plans in action I have ever seen. Halftime adjustments??? Only 31 other teams do this. We would still throw with minimal run even if the defense put 11 cornerbacks on the field. Because it was in their plan at the start of the game.

      $16 Million is going to look like a good salary to Cousins if we continue with this performance. Going to be a long season boys.

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    • theismann7 - Sep 19, 2016 at 11:17 AM

      Do you see any other QB in the NFL looking like he has a “deer in the headlights” though? Cousins cannot rise to the occasion. He NEVER has.

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      • chimps000 - Sep 19, 2016 at 11:31 AM

        To be fair, he did rise to the occasion in that Tampa Bay comeback game last year.

        He does look like a deer in the headlights these first two games though.

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      • ET - Sep 19, 2016 at 11:43 AM

        “Cousins cannot rise to the occasion. He NEVER has.”

        Uh, yes he has.

        Kirk absolutely tore it up in the second half of last season. His QBR for the entire 2015 season was second only to Carson Palmer, ahead of Big Ben, Brady, Rodgers and any other gunslinger you’d care to name.

        In short, I get your frustration, but let’s not pretend Cousins has never “risen to the occasion.” He played as well as anyone in the league last year after starting at #3 on the depth chart.

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        • theismann7 - Sep 19, 2016 at 12:34 PM

          ET, I need to see Cousins stop being tentative and start being decisive and hitting wide-open receivers for TDs and not making the back-breaking INT in the End Zone before I can get back on the bandwagon. Waiting for 8 months after having this team win the division and seeing them regress is terribly depressing. I was so gungho for Cousins and maybe that was me being a homer for the Redskins too much and not seeing the big picture….that this team has many flaws and is still not ready for prime time.

      • Rich Tandler - Sep 19, 2016 at 11:44 AM

        Let’s see, Week 4 comeback vs. Eagles, rally from 24-0 deficit, Week 16 win in Philly to clinch division. Back to 2012, rally vs. Ravens and critical win in Cleveland the next week.

        Yeah, the guy just never comes up big when needed.

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        • theismann7 - Sep 19, 2016 at 12:19 PM

          Ok Rich. I stand corrected on the NEVER statement. However, more often than not, he doesn’t. I’m not going to blame it entirely on him since this coaching staff can’t seem to play call very well. Calling for the fade 3 times and failing 3 times is just insanely stupid. That is the classic example of the definition of insanity. When you have a running back having a good game for once, and running it only 17 times in a close game at home, no less, is again, insanely stupid. This entire organization seems to be running on stupid lately. It’s depressing to watch and I wish sometimes I could go back to 1973 and become a fan of another franchise.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 19, 2016 at 12:48 PM

          @Theisman 7: I understand the frustration man. We’re all frustrated. But Cousins played at an elite level (seriously) in the second half of last season. Many of us expected a slight regression but not this. Still, don’t take it away from the guy. He played great and we know he’s capable of it. That’s a huge reason it’s so frustrating.

          The other reasons are along the lines of what you said. Not running the ball enough, not even trying to run it in from 5 yards, committing to a play that wasn’t working, etc., etc.

          I thought last year worked because they tried to take some stuff off Cousins’ plate and let him develop. Now they’re asking him to do everything with no run game and a porous defense just because he has awesome receivers? Maybe Aaron Rogers could do win with that plan, but I can’t think of too many guys who can. Look at the Saints: HOF QB but no defense and they abandon the run = 0-2.

      • renhoekk2 - Sep 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM

        The guy is operating with no margin for error. They either can’t or won’t run the ball and the defense is going to give up 30pts a game. Even the best QB’s have some margin for error because they are getting help from some other part of the team. Roethlisberger has 3 INTs this season as well but the Steelers play good defense and are in the top 10 in rushing. So they are 2-0. Cousins hasn’t player great but not every QB plays great every game. Cousins’ misfires, be they INTS or overthrows are magnified more because the team is not good enough to overcome them. They need him to be perfect to have any chance to win. But by asking him to throw it 45 times a game they are setting him up to fail. When you throw it 45 times a game there are more opportunities for INTs and overthrown passes to open WR’s. Most coaching staffs that need a mistake free game from their QB to win would not ask him to throw it 45 times a game. They would try and limit his mistakes but running the ball a lot and by playing good defense. The Redskins do neither.

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        • Trey Gregory - Sep 19, 2016 at 12:10 PM

          That’s an excellent post Ren. I’ve been killing Cousins (who I really like and still believe in btw), but you’re right about all of that.

          I’ve been blaming Cousins because he’s the only one not playing like I expect. But I expect our D-line to get gashed. I expect to have inconsistent pressure. I expect to have adequate pass protection but not very good run blocking. I expect to have great receivers and TEs but mediocre RBs. You get the point. Everyone is playing exactly how I expected except the most important player, who is playing below that level. It if you have him a defense that could hold teams to 17 points, we could win. If you gave him a run game to regularly lean on and to develop play action, we could win. And we had the run game on Sunday but we bailed. That’s frustrating.

  20. carleyanc - Sep 19, 2016 at 10:43 AM

    I am very frustrated with the Redskins’ coaching staff, the QB, and going through this; “We will be better next game” but it doesn’t happen. Before you know it the season is over, then it’s “We will be better next season”, year after year the same thing. Snyder wants us to continue to financially support him by showing up to the FedEx Field; paying prime rate for tickets, drinks, and food, to watch below par players being coached by below par coaches.

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    • Trey Gregory - Sep 19, 2016 at 12:17 PM

      Well, if it makes you feel any better (and I’m sure it won’t) the roster overall is much improved from two years ago and is still a work in progress. It takes a good 4-5 years to rebuild a team properly, and that’s if it all goes smooth. The Seahawks were a mess and Pete Carroll, Scot McCloughan, and John Schneider all showed up in 2008. I think they didn’t become a real playoff threat until 2012 (even though they made it before that in kind of a fluke) and then they obviously became a SB contender 5 years into the rebuild in 2013.

      This team is better overall than it was at the end of 2014. We’re currently one good QB away from being a very good team. Good QBs are hard to find.

      These things take time. But the last thing we want is to bring Snyder into this. If he starts firing people or trying to take over it will all just be a mess again. Let Scot McCloughan do his thing.

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      • ET - Sep 19, 2016 at 1:03 PM

        “This team is better overall than it was at the end of 2014. We’re currently one good QB away from being a very good team.”

        Yeah, the players on this team are much stronger than the roster at the end of 2014, and prob’ly last season’s roster as well. But I disagree with the second half of your claim. Look no farther than the Colts or Saints for very good QBs who’re shackled to teams that still stink. Even a very good or great QB can’t do it alone. Even Dan Fouts coulda used a better defense and a more consistent rushing attack …

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        • Trey Gregory - Sep 19, 2016 at 1:24 PM

          I agree with that but I think our roster is overall better than the Saints and Colts. I guess that’s my point: it’s not all that bad.

          Put Aaron Rogers on this team. He would have plenty of time to pass and great targets. Nobody would stack the box against him, and not pay the price, so suddenly the run game works much better. Be able to consistently manufacture 8 min scoring drives and suddenly the defense looks better too.

          Im not saying they’re a SB team but they could easily win the division and a playoff game. It’s not perfect but if we had quality QB play we could win.

  21. smotion55 - Sep 19, 2016 at 12:16 PM

    How the HEEELLLL does a team The Whole Team regress like they have in the first 2 games. With exception to a few. Trent Murphy for one played well . Go figure. UGLY and the Giants should be licking the chops after they watch the game film on these LOSERS. I thought 8–8 would be a good year now it would be a GREAT YEAR.

    By the numbers. Hopkins being a bright spot with his field goals says it all.

    By the numbers Cousins is Choking, at 20 million He looks like he is playing not to make mistakes and scared and if he is changing plays at the line then he needs to stop. !st and goal at the 6, and you are running the ball fairly well, Run the ball at least once to make them play honest.

    It bothers me that they did not get better on the D-Line in the off season. Who is really responsible for the players they brought in instead of drafting or trading for some REAL help. Did Joe Barry say I can make this work with Hood and Reyes and Golston, or did the GM just flat out have total disregard for the D-Line just like RB position . For them to Bring in a 35 year old Jenkins who nobody wanted and he is an upgrade [ tells me they really screwed up ]

    Here is a thought:: Did they do this on purpose to see if Cousins could actually put the team on his back and win. He is getting a bunch of meaningless stats . At this rate 5,000 yards , 8 TD,s and 24 INTs. Zero as in 0 off schedule or run for 1st down plays for Kirk. Check him for a concussion, check his eyes, ears and his Heart too, he has no heart never mind. mind , mind I say he doesn’t have 1 of those either.

    Last week I posted Cousins playing himself into a 6–10 million contract next year . . News Flash Update NOW 4–6 million. McCoy and Sudfeld now by mid season come into play. These Developments Are Unbelievable , but Real.

    Did he have games and parts of a season that he played this badly at Mich. St.. I thought taking a knee just before halftime last year and letting the clock run out was a bonehead play and raised some concern about his thought process and now we see what pressure between his ears does for him. DISCUSTING

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  22. metalman5150 - Sep 19, 2016 at 12:21 PM

    Packed up my jerseys and put them back into the closet.

    Wake me up when we win a game.

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  23. greed - Sep 19, 2016 at 12:26 PM

    what is barry doing ? So he rather have bryant beat us than witten? He had hall on witten in key pass situations meaning breeland playing 5-10 yds off dez with burton who is stiff as a board and has no range in middle, this is not the witten of 5 yr ago and the fact that burton or even a lb couldnt be trusted to cover him crazy burton need to be on the bench, you stop dez by playn in your face coverage not soft cushion zone defensive and we couldve had Wade phillips DEFENSIVE strategy F, OFFENSE gruden in yr 3 still doesnt realise he in the NFL not the arena leauge 1st and goal from 6 3 straight passes enough said, why force fef doctson with fade route , jones midway thru 3 qtrs 13 for 61 yds Jones end of game 13carries 61 yds still even with lead the defense m its heels jones running strong chance to go up ten atleast 6 1st n goal from 6 gruden refuses to committ to run game !, where coacg joe gibbs when u need him , been telling yall for 3yrs now gruden will not change and dmt let me get started on liquid gold cousins when u make 20mil u cant afford slow starts and dumb mistakes that cost games he left 28 pts on field! OFFENSIVE STRATAGEY -F

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  24. greed - Sep 19, 2016 at 12:29 PM

    Also dont know what up wit compton bv SUA CRAVENS Came in the game and was balling changed the whole energy of the defense

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  25. greed - Sep 19, 2016 at 1:40 PM

    The DEFENSE Didnt play as bad as u guys think if i had to grade them i would say C the second half they playf well enough to win they gave te offense a chance to gain control of the game and have a chance to put a foot on dallas neck , but gruden and co. Got too cute with the pass happy offense , lets back off on d hall he learning a new position even last yr he was at strong safety now he at free has he be spectacular ? No , but he hasnt beem god awful like burton , hall did a gd job on witten i can only remember one big catch and that was against burton , there was a reason why this guy couldnt crack bronco’s startinp lineup in 5 seasons and now we know why

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    • Trey Gregory - Sep 19, 2016 at 2:52 PM

      That bothered me all offseason. Bruton has never been able to land a starting gig then he comes to us and we just expect him to improve over even a bad Goldson?

      Everyone is mad we didn’t do more along the D-line. I am too. But I’m starting to get more upset that we didn’t get a true veteran safety to bridge the gap between now and when the current young guys are ready. The secondary was supposed to be a strength but isn’t because the middle is vulnerable. Hall is too inexperienced at the moment to make up for bad SS play. Maybe that changes in a few games, but it will be too late by then. Reggie Nelson stuck around in free agency for a while. Would have been nice to at least see him come by the facility. Or some other safety prospects.

      Cravens can’t become the starter fast enough. Pick a position but he needs to be on the field. Right now I’m fine with him being the nickel LB/Safety because that’s basically a starting gig. But maybe he’s the answer at SS. Foster and Compton are at least competent. Put Hall at FS, Cravens SS, Norman, Breeland, Fuller in the slot. Then Murphy at DE, Baker and Hood inside, And Kerrigan/Smith rotate (that’s the nickel front). Or subtract Murphy and same guys but Smth and Kerrigan at OLB with the rotation at the other DE in base. I’ll ride or die with that defense because it has the guys with the best trajectories on the field.

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      • chimps000 - Sep 19, 2016 at 4:18 PM

        Great idea on personnel, couldn’t agree more. Let’s get our
        most talented guys out there (along with our youth) and let them grow.

        If fuller gets burned as the slot corner, so be it, he can’t play farther away from receivers than Phillips is right now.

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        • Trey Gregory - Sep 20, 2016 at 3:10 AM

          If we go 0-3 I think that’s the only move. If we’re going to lose, at least get the future reps. I do wonder if Fuller is at 100% after his injury though. I would imagine he is, but sometimes recoveries are tricky. Cravens needs to be on the field though. As does Doctson. But we shouldn’t go to the rookie WR in the Red Zone yet. Reed is an elite Red Zone threat. I believe he was the single best TE in the Red Zone last year. Garcon is good there, Davis is a big target there, Crowder is good there, Paul could be a good option, or try a damn run! Anything but the rookie WR who missed all of training camp.

  26. Trey Gregory - Sep 19, 2016 at 3:24 PM

    Ugh. I hate to be this guy. But here I go: It might be time to seriously consider the available free agent DTs since Golston is on IR.

    The most obvious name is Terrance Knighton. I’ll gladly let someone talk me out of it. But I have a hard time believing Knighton isn’t better than Ioannidis. Can anyone else think of other available players?

    I wouldn’t be mad about a trade. I doubt we get a great player but maybe we can get a competent player with some upside?

    The one thing I’ve always said about Knighton was that he provided leadership and I believe (based off extremely limited info) he made the players around him better. That’s valuable to me.

    But the jig is up Scot. You tried, and I credit you for sticking to your guns, but this plan obviously failed. We don’t have a good enough offense and pass rush to get by without a decent line. We can’t just wait for next year. Go work some magic and find a guy who can come in for 14 games and no guaranteed money as a bridge until you find the long-term answer.

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    • metalman5150 - Sep 19, 2016 at 3:49 PM

      Cullen Jenkins tho?

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      • Trey Gregory - Sep 19, 2016 at 4:09 PM

        I’m assuming that was a joke? I don’t mind them bringing Jenkins in and giving him a shot at all. I think it’s the right idea. But now maybe let’s try another. No matter your opinion of Golston, our starting NT is out. We should have done more in April to fix this position but better late than never. Go find someone else who isn’t a 5th round rookie who couldn’t make a team with one of the worst D-lines in football. I’ll gladly take a vet who doesn’t make mental errors right now.

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    • chimps000 - Sep 19, 2016 at 4:22 PM

      pot roast would help this defense- last year about every other game he would make a play.

      I would think he is available for the minimum at this point.

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      • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Sep 19, 2016 at 4:29 PM

        Yep. The fact that no one else signed him means he’s not commanding top $$$.

        Besides, he’s Swaggy Baker’s buddy, and Swaggy could probably use a friend about now.
        ~

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      • metalman5150 - Sep 19, 2016 at 4:40 PM

        I think what I am earring is that the skins should have picked leonard williams rather than sherrf.

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        • bullets2586 - Sep 19, 2016 at 7:13 PM

          I still like the Sherff pick, he’s a good player getting better. But it’s a fact that defenses win super bowls and Williams is a stud.

    • COSSkinsFan - Sep 19, 2016 at 4:40 PM

      I’m for signing Knighton as well though, not exactly excited about it. He at least knows the defense. I suggested a trade after the first game with someone who needs a CB or wr. Not sure if they would have anybody that could help us, but I wonder if the Colts would give us something for Toler. They have no corners, he’said looked good and knows their defense. I don’t remember what year this was but in week 2 it already reminds me of when we had to sign Chris Zorich, Steve Etman and had William Gaines. We just needed bodies on the line that year. Hopefully the guys we have can stay healthy, otherwise we are gonna be dumpster diving on the dline.

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      • Trey Gregory - Sep 20, 2016 at 3:05 AM

        I personally don’t see us having anything anyone would want that we would also be willing to trade. The only thing I could see is a draft pick or two. But knowing Scot, he wouldn’t want to give a very high pick (if one at all) which means we’re getting just another guy. If we’re going to get just another guy, I would rather it be a free agent than lose a draft pick. If it’s going to be just a guy, why not Knighton? Knows the defense, the guys seem to like him, he is a true nose, and he has played well in the past. Maybe being unemployed would light a fire under his ass.

        That being said, if we can get something for stoker we should. I doubt it, but go for it if we can.

        After seeing how the 4th and 5th rounds shook out in this draft, I would be really interested in trading a 4th or 5th for a young D-linemen with some upside. Maybe even a 3rd if we’re talking a guy we would have for 3-4 seasons and who would likely be a starter and an upgrade over our current roster. That may be a tall order, and there’s no guarantees, but I would trade for a guy like that. And when I say young, he can be on his second contract. Draft picks are just 4 year rentals anyway. But this is getting pretty far out into fantasy land.

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