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Need to Know: Around Redskins Park—How pass happy is Jay Gruden?

Sep 15, 2016, 5:42 AM EDT

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Here is what you need to know on this Thursday, September 15, three days before the Washington Redskins host the Dallas Cowboys.

Timeline

Today’s schedule: Practice 1 p.m.; Jay Gruden and Joe Barry news conferences and player availability after practice approx. 3 p.m.

Days until: Browns @ Redskins 17; Redskins @ Ravens 24; Eagles @ Redskins 31

From around Redskins 

—The Redskins are largely in good health. Two players, OT Morgan Moses (knee) and DL Chris Baker (elbow/rib), were limited in practice; the other 51 were full go. The current expectation is that Baker and Moses will start against the Cowboys. They have a few bumps and bruises but they are in much better shape than they were last year. The Redskins need to take advantage of their good health and playing the softer spot in their schedule. They don’t play a team that made the playoffs in 2015 until they go to London the play the Bengals in Week 8 on October 30.

—The Redskins are not interested in former Saints running back C. J. Spiller and an acquisition of any other  veteran running back does not appear to be imminent. It seems that the plan is to be patient with Matt Jones before exploring other options. And Rob Kelley should get some touches when the total of carries gets closer to 20 than to 11.

—While we on the topic, can we dispense with the notion that Jay Gruden is overly pass happy and doesn’t like to run the ball. Last year the Redskins ran 429 times. That was more than the NFL average per team of 421 attempts. In 2014 the Redskins were below average in rushing attempt with 401 compared to the average of 428. But the Redskins were a 4-12 team and had to play from behind a lot. Of the 20 teams with more rushing attempts than them in 2014 only two had double-digit losses. I think that last year it was more legitimate to say that he ran too often, given how ineffective the rushing game was. If there are a few more 12-attempt games over the next month or so we can revisit this. For now, the facts don’t back up the pass-happy Gruden myth.

—Josh Norman didn’t seem to be too concerned about there not being much film out there on Cowboys rookie quarterback Dak Prescott for the Redskins to study. “I don’t know, man, just go out there and play ball,” he said. You can only control what you can control.

—Some players pay no attention to stats. Kirk Cousins is not one of those players. “I always like to look at third down and red zone as two important ones,” he said. “You know, if you’re over 50 percent in both of those, you’re going to be near the top of the league, in a better position that most teams, so that’s something we’re always going to look at. And there are others – first down efficiency, yards per play, that kind of a thing – that you look at, that you can kind of measure yourself to see are we achieving the goals that are necessary that lead to wins, traditionally and typically.”

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  1. dafoota - Sep 15, 2016 at 6:33 AM

    Thanks rich for the work you put in. Much love and have a blessed day!

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  2. redskins12thman - Sep 15, 2016 at 6:40 AM

    I really want Coach Gruden to do well, but I’ve lost a little faith in him Monday night. The miscues, continued penalties (only Raiders and Rams had more), poor play as a team conveyed a less prepared team. Everyone had the same amount of time to prepare for their opening match, and the Redskins performed quite poorly. Thank goodness we didn’t look like the Rams, but this team has a lot more to prove to show it’s a contender.

    Rich, I know you have downplayed “half-time adjustments.” Is it the “half-time” or the “adjustments” that you think doesn’t matter much?

    I expect the Redskins to improve as each game proceeds, but I don’t always see improvement.

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    • wvredskins - Sep 15, 2016 at 7:07 AM

      You can only put so much on Gruden. You dont think Gruden, like every other coach in the NFL/ College and even highschool work on limiting penalties? At the end of the day PLAYERS have to take accountability. Trent Williams knows better then having a false start, Matt Jones for crying out loud should never have a false start as a running back. Same thing happen against Miami last year. They are going to have to clean up their game if we want to have a successful year.

      I am more worried about the fact that we cant stop the run. If we cant keep a team from having 3rd and 3 or 3rd and 1 EVERY TIME, then we are going to have a long year. Hopefully we do better against Dallas and the reason we had problems against the Steelers were because they had us off balanced and we didnt know if they were going to run or pass on any giving play.

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      • skinsgame - Sep 15, 2016 at 8:33 AM

        Player accountability is exactly what Grudens job as coach is. I both like Gruden and I agree that players need accountability. That game was another embarrassment where it was obvious they were ill prepared and that falls onto Gruden. In particular, penalties have become the norm on this team. We’ve seen the stories of how he is “a players coach” but what is he doing to hold Trent Williams accountable? Or Cousins for another rotten interception? Not a close play, an awful one. Scots job will be to hold Gruden accountable soon. And Scot has a boss as well. Accountability isn’t just a word.

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        • bangkokben - Sep 15, 2016 at 9:49 AM

          What the hell do you mean? The way you used accountability it is exactly just a word. Do you want Gruden to scream like Ditka at Kirk and Trent as soon as they get off the field? Do you want that on TV so you can justify accountability. The Cousins’ interception was horrendous. It was also the first in a long season. Do you expect Colt McCoy to start warming up on the sideline? Really what do you need to SEE? Same goes for Williams, what? Should every player be a short leash? Does Matt Jones come right out on his false start since he actually might have better guys behind him?

        • skinsgame - Sep 15, 2016 at 10:17 PM

          How he doles out accountability is up to him. That’s another part of his job. Trotting out the same lineup, quarter after quarter, after watching them kill drives with penalties isn’t working though, I’m sorry to say. And equating Trent Williams (who lays an egg nearly every time it’s a nationally televised contest) in his 7th season with the sophomore Matt Jones doesn’t make any sense but, yes, Jones being handed the ball when he isn’t getting it done isn’t a sign of accountability either.

      • bangkokben - Sep 15, 2016 at 9:42 AM

        You’re spot on in everything you said here.

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    • Mr.moneylover - Sep 15, 2016 at 8:32 AM

      Our game plan was all mess up little did we(fans) know we didnt have a chance to win before the game even started jay gruden said his D-line was tired in the second half and by them bein out of shape thats very unprofessional because they should prepare like they gonna play the whole game….week 4 will be redskins first win

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  3. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Sep 15, 2016 at 7:25 AM

    I wasn’t sorry we didn’t try to run more against the Steelers.

    We weren’t doing well with it.
    ~

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    • nikoknight - Sep 15, 2016 at 8:47 AM

      But it really wasn’t THAT bad. They averaged 4.58 yds per rush. I know it’s a small sample size, but that is certainly good enough. They need to run the ball more. Period. There is no scenario in 4 quarters of an NFL game where your team attempts 12 rushing plays in the game.

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      • bangkokben - Sep 15, 2016 at 9:54 AM

        Here are the run plays in order with the game context in parentheses:

        0 yards on 1st down
        -4 yards on 2nd and 10
        5 yards on 1st and 10
        8 yards on 1st and 10
        4 yards on 1st and 10 (3-0 Redskins)
        -10 (holding on 1st and 10 no play)
        6 yards on 2nd and 16 (7-6 Steelers)
        9 yards on 1st (last play of half; 14-6)
        (17-6 Steelers)
        -5 yards on Jones false start
        -1 yard on 1st and 15
        (24-6 Steelers 7:01 left in 3rd)
        12 yards on 1st and 10
        -10 yards holding on 1st and 10

        At this point the Redskins have gained a net of 14 yards on nine actual called run plays (-25 yards of penalties — including the false start on Jones). Nine of those net yards are on a throw away play at the end of the half. A NET average of 1.56 yards or 2.11 if you don’t count the false start — 0.63 NET yards if you do and throw away the play the coaches threw away at the end of the half. That was the reality of calling run plays when the game was competitive. LESS THAN A YARD A CARRY. The next time the Redskins get the ball back, they’re down by 15 with just over a quarter left in the game.

        Over the same period of the game, the Redskins called 31 pass plays — assuming the other three false starts during this period were pass plays — for a net of 212 yards which is a net yard average of 7.57 per actual play (212/28). Completing 20 of 28 pass attempts for nine first downs with one interception, zero sacks, zero batted balls, and penalties — which were only of the false start variety the other night when pass was called.

        Including the penalties, that’s 11 negative plays out of 32 called plays. That’s compared to SIX negative plays out of 12 called runs including the run at the end of the half.

        I don’t see why anyone would then assume the Redskins needed to called more running plays. The way it was going Monday — which was pretty consistent with last season — running the ball was begging for a negative outcome. This is the macro vision not the micro, by the way.

        Furthermore, in the first three quarters, the Redskins completed 14 passes that resulted in gains of 6 to 14 yards. This was exemplary of taking what the defense gave them. Of these 14 completions, six resulted in first downs and only two were inadequate gains — 13 yards to Reed on 3rd and 14 and 6 yards to Garcon on 1st and 20. Had Cousins been more accurate the descrepancy between pass success and run failure would be even more stark.

        There were other failures in the pass game as well as successes in this same time frame. A 2 yard pass to Garcon on 3rd and 9, a 4 yard pass to Reed on 3rd and 10, followed by a 5 yard pass to Thompson on 4th and 6. But you could easily argue that at least two of those passes were set up to fail by the penalties in the run game. Additionally, during this time, the pass game provided a 31 yard gain to Jackson, a 33 yard gain to Jackson, and a 20 yard gain to Garcon.

        The passing game was undeniably more successful than the run game in the competitive parts of the game. The lack of success in throwing the ball was not a result of the Steelers dropping into coverage BUT because of the quarterback’s inability to consistently take advantage of the defensed melded with the negative penalty yardage caused by the run game. Three things needed to happen to keep the game competitive. 1) Cousins needed to play at a consistently high level which he was capable of last season. 2) The running game simply needed to avoid negative yardage. 3) The defense needed to help by keeping Pittsburgh out of the end zone.

        Moving forward, each of the above three things have to happen for this team to be competitive. Cousins can play at a high level over the course of a game. I’m not sure the run game can avoid negative yardage or that defense can hold the opposition to field goals.

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        • COSSkinsFan - Sep 15, 2016 at 10:06 AM

          Bottom line is the oline didn’t open running lanes last year. The hope was Lavaou returning would help that, too early to tell. Last year we lived and died on Kirk’s arm and that’s how it’s gonna be this season. I would love to run the ball 30-40 times a game but you have to have a measure of success when doing so. Our team is simply not built for that unless something changes.

        • bangkokben - Sep 15, 2016 at 10:13 AM

          The holes were better in a tiny sample but that doesn’t matter if they catch you for holding. Eliminate the penalties and play a poor defense and then we might be able to see what we’ve got in the running game. Pit was 5th against the run according to Football Outsider’s DVOA last year. Dallas was 29th. There’s a chance for a significant improvement.

  4. troylok - Sep 15, 2016 at 7:43 AM

    I would say if they can’t run the ball on Dallas, the run offense is legitimately broken. I don’t think the problem is with the running back. From last year, the only times I remember sustained runs was when the offensive line started getting to the second level. Obviously that didn’t happen Monday night. Callahan is a good o-line coach but his reputation is on the line (literally) if he can’t get this running game going.

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    • bangkokben - Sep 15, 2016 at 9:58 AM

      The running game has been broken since week 3 last season. There is little reason to expect different results against the best run fronts. Dallas was gashed at the end of last week’s game vs. the Giants. They are not one of the best run fronts. As long as the Redskins can avoid negative yardage in the run game, they have a chance but if 50% of the run plays are not going to generate any yardage or a holding call, it should be abandoned.

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  5. sidepull - Sep 15, 2016 at 8:09 AM

    When the Redskins first hired Gruden I kept reading a lot junk byBengals fans expressing joy that Gruden had moved on due to his inability to advance in the playoffs and that he was “pass happy”. So just for grins I popped up his averages for his time there. This quote is maybe more accurate than pass happy,”The Cincinnati Bengals promoted Hue Jackson from running backs’ coach to offensive coordinator shortly after Jay Gruden left to become the head coach of the Washington Redskins this off-season. Gruden was known for his pass-heavy scheme, ” They called it “pass heavy” in the local media lol.

    Gruden in Cincy:
    2011 Dropbacks 560 Rushes 455 DB/R ratio 1.23
    2102 Dropbacks 587 Rushes 430 DB/R ratio 1.37
    2013 Dropbacks 616 Rushes 481 DB/R ratio 1.28

    I am not saying you are not correct. I am just saying that school of thought had to originate somewhere. Where did the myth start? You can see how Gruden could develop that reputation just looking at his history even before he became head coach of the Redskins.

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    • redskins12thman - Sep 15, 2016 at 9:27 AM

      Great stats for comparison!

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    • bangkokben - Sep 15, 2016 at 9:59 AM

      These ratios are consistent with the league average.

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    • Trey Gregory - Sep 15, 2016 at 11:33 AM

      And how many playoff games have the Bengals won since he left? It’s funny that they’re blaming the OC for playoff failure and not the HC. Sounds like that’s fans blaming anyone they can think of. Reality is that most fans have no idea what they’re talking about and are not a good source for these kinds of things.

      Say what you will about Gruden as a HC but he was/is a good OC. He was working with a young QB and he brought him along into a good and successful player in no time.

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  6. Mr.moneylover - Sep 15, 2016 at 8:26 AM

    I seen josh doctson win the battle over Kendall fuller even tho Kendall was right there josh doctson still caught it they need to get this guy on the field quick I didnt know he can deep passes…they have alot to clean up …until jay gruden wake up and realize kirk cousins love running the NO HUDDLE then kirk cousins gonna continue to struggle I still think ill first win will be week 4 against the Browns because we still in pre-season mode and the D-line not in shape…to much to fix in short period of time…I think we gonna struggle against dallas as well

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    • COSSkinsFan - Sep 15, 2016 at 10:14 AM

      I remember Gibbs using the no huddle when he felt the offense was out of sync. It’s a double edged sword. If it works it can get the offense into a rhythm, if it doesn’t work it gets your defense on the field that much quicker. I say run when running is producing otherwise use short passes with the run sprinkled in and occasionally throw deep. I’ve saidone this ever since signing DeSean. We should have a minimum of 6 plays a half designed for him to go deep otherwise he’s being misused. Idk if he goes deep that much and he’s covered but we need to throw to him even if he seems covered. Overthrow it, let him catch up, maybe that will open some running lanes.

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      • bangkokben - Sep 15, 2016 at 10:24 AM

        It really doesn’t work that way. If there are eight guys in coverage including a corner ten yards off the line of scrimmage and two deep safeties, there is zero point in throwing that ball. That is not going to open up the coverage or the run. They will be happy with all your incompletions. We had a guy, currently with a busted shoulder, that would try this. The linebackers have their keys and if the o-linemen pass block, the backers can get to their underneath zone rather quickly. The QB has to hit the underneath stuff right away giving the receivers chances for YAC.

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        • Trey Gregory - Sep 15, 2016 at 11:37 AM

          The only reason that could work is because of Doctson’s height and leaping ability. Cousins can throw over the underneath defenders and set up a jump ball for Doctson that he should win. That’s one aspect of our passing attack that we’ve been missing and Doctson can provide. It’s not something to try every other play though.

        • bangkokben - Sep 15, 2016 at 11:43 AM

          I can’t wait to get Doctson involved.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 15, 2016 at 12:53 PM

          Me too man. He’s a stud that adds a different dimension to our offense. That was one part of my gigantic post to you that I forgot last night. I think Cousins would be much more willing to throw into a soft zone with Doctson out there. Once they build rapport of course.

          I paid close attention to Kevin White sand Corey Coleman this past weekend because they came from very similar offense and circumstances as Doctson. I wanted to see how they’re progressing. This may sound confusing but White was the most dominant of the three. He was so imposing with his body. But Coleman and Doctson made more acrobatic type plays and crazier catches. They had to get by without White’s physical gifts. Coleman had the more impressive on-field speed and hands to me. But Doctson was right there. Doctson was clearly better at jump balls and had really good hands himself. I think White will end up being the best of the 3. But Doctson is more of a pro receiver than Coleman.

          Anyway. All that to say they’re three of the better college receivers to come from the Big 12. But White and Coleman struggled in their first game. Coleman has an excuse with RG3 as the QB but he still dropped some passes laid right on him. I think Doctson is going to take a few games to really get going. And he may not even hit his stride until next season. That TCU offense did him no favors in the NFL. But I’m still excited for him to get out there.

        • COSSkinsFan - Sep 15, 2016 at 10:11 PM

          Not saying we should throw into coverage, so I guess I explained it incorrectly. Saying that if the safeties are creeping up towards the line to provide run support throwing deep will make them think twice about it. Throwing into coverage and getting the an in completion or into accomplishes nothing.

      • Mr.moneylover - Sep 15, 2016 at 3:38 PM

        Running a NO HUDDLE dont only gotta be passes it can include the running game as well…it can definitely help in the beginning of games to get kirk cousins going …the Steelers was just smarter then redskins to use it in the beginning to get big ben going and it worked …redskins used it late 3rd quarter and we ended up scoring our first TD drive

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  7. skinsgame - Sep 15, 2016 at 8:41 AM

    This is a pass happy team because that’s their strength. When’s the last time we saw Kory Lichty manhandle a DL for two or three quarters and blow holes open for a RB? Or when was it we last saw Trent Willams dominate a DE or LB and own his side of the field? This team will and should pass an extraordinary amount. The problem is, Kirk Cousins was inaccurate and he failed to make anyone else around him better. If Cousins completed more passes this wouldn’t even be a discussion. Seems to me they need to begin grooming his replacement because, Cousins is developing a pattern of not doing well under the spotlight.

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    • COSSkinsFan - Sep 15, 2016 at 10:26 AM

      I think I was watching the Bengals play and something they did was line up 3 wr to one side. It was an automatic, when they only put 2 corners there they passed to one of they 3 for a short gain. I don’t remember seeing it not work. Maybe with our wr talent we should give this a shot to supplement the run.

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  8. dafoota - Sep 15, 2016 at 9:09 AM

    I wonder if its have anything to do with not having a full back?

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    • snyderisanidiot - Sep 15, 2016 at 9:13 AM

      Oh you mean how we got rid of our only halfway decent fullback which we did not use enough and not replace him with anything.. Oh that fullback.

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      • sidepull - Sep 15, 2016 at 9:24 AM

        DY oh why? Every team unloads fan favorites. DY and Alf case in point.

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        • dafoota - Sep 15, 2016 at 10:45 AM

          I guess chris thompson blocking is better than dy

  9. metalman5150 - Sep 15, 2016 at 9:46 AM

    Love that Tweet about Sa’Ua Cravens mother being a cowboys fan at the bottom of the article!

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  10. smotion55 - Sep 15, 2016 at 9:47 AM

    If your QB is out of sync then the offense will be also. Cousins looked very nervous, confused, scared, and the moment appeared to be to big for him. had no consistency at all in the 1st half. It appeared they were calling plays to get him into the game and get some rhythm going and he was stuck on staying in the pocket instead of making any plays. Offensive line did not help him at all and just maybe the bad play rubbed off on everybody.

    Going 4 wide early even after the run game was just fine was a little bit disturbing and if they are going to pass to set up the run Cousins has to be able to throw the easy passes and not bounce it into the ground. That whole game was a mess and hopefully they come out and beat a team they should beat. Put Kelley in at some point and run these guys or it will be a long season. Kirk could have run a couple of times or at least move around instead of forcing things.
    This Dallas defense should be had and if Cousins does not show up for this game then the pressure has already got in his head and it will be a long season. Get Doctson in on some Red Zone plays and get this thing going. Put Kelley in in the red zone also, he has shown he can pass block and get tough yards.

    KIRK: Get your head out of your A–SS and make some plays. If this team doesn’t play well now they have no chance at all to have any success this year.

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    • snyderisanidiot - Sep 15, 2016 at 10:55 AM

      I think Kirk Cousins backup is very capable. Colt McCoy, a class act, a Texas legend, a brilliant football player can come in and get it done. I am positive Colt McCoy could play a better overall game than Kirk Cousins first appearance. Colt might squeeze out some wins. However, it is hard to bench a guy that makes 20 mil a year. So lets hope Cousins can right the ship. I believe he will.
      His stat line should be something like 24/35 329, 3TD’s, 1 INT versus the Dallas Cowboys. I fully expect it.
      If he tanks the Dallas game at home I think we will hear Colt’s name mentioned in discussions.
      The real shame is historically the Redskins have had some of the worst QB’s in the league. We have no real stability at that position. Much like safety.

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      • sidepull - Sep 15, 2016 at 12:38 PM

        I dont think they will pull Cuz unless he gets hurt. He had some rough spots last year, Tampa first half comes to mind. If ever a coach wanted to pull a QB that was a good time at the half to maybe do so. Nobody really would have been up in arms. It could have been understandable considering the circumstances at the time. Gruden chose to keep him in there and it was a wise decision. No, I do not think Colt will ever get the call over Cuz unless he gets hurt.

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      • Trey Gregory - Sep 15, 2016 at 1:04 PM

        My goodness man. Your hot takes have some sizzle to them. Colt McCoy is a brilliant football player who can come in and get it done over Kirk Cousins. OK.

        First I want to point out McCoy was born in New Mexico, my home state, not Texas. Then let’s point out that playing great in college means absolutely nothing in the NFL (Tebow, RG3, Manziel, and about 1,000 other names as examples).

        McCoy had years to put it together in Cleveland and never did. Then Cousins comes in last year, goes 9-7 (something McCoy never came close to) and set a ton of franchise records including completing over 70 % of his passes and after a single bad game you’re like, “Na, forget history. Colt can probably do better.”

        Did you forget Colt got the opportunity to start for us? He won against Dallas and then got completely owned the next week? He’s had his opportunities and can’t do it. He was a free agent this offseason and a lot of teams needed a QB. 31 other teams don’t know less than you about Colt McCoy. If he was truly capable someone would have given him a shot.

        This season will live or die with Cousins. There’s no debate, no controversy, no savior waiting in the wind. Either he plays well or we lose. That’s it.

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        • bangkokben - Sep 15, 2016 at 1:51 PM

          I agree with everything here except the years in Cleveland part. He was a 3rd string rookie given half a season his rookie year and 13 games the next year where he looked like he was making improvements on a VERY BAD team. I think he finished the year with a kill shot from Harrison. The Browns missed out on the RG3 sweepstakes and took Brandon Weedan virtually ending the McCoy era before it got off the ground.

          Wait, he also didn’t get “owned the next week” unless that means getting replaced by Rob after his ankle injury despite winning an improbable game on Monday night.

          Colt just doesn’t have an NFL arm. Cousins’ arm to Colt’s is like Griffin’s to Cousins’. Arm talent doesn’t mean much if you can’t use it but it does mean a helluva lot if you can’t make all the throws or hold onto the ball as long as Colt does.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 15, 2016 at 2:39 PM

          I guess I’m getting my weeks confused but eventually Colt did get another starting chance and the Rams literally shut us out.

          I understand everything that happened with Colt in Clevelad. Remember, I live in Texas and cover college and HS football just down the road from Austin. There’s A LOT of Colt McCoy fans around here. And they all tell me the sad story of how Cleveland purposely sabatoged him for whatever reason. But eventually you have to stop making excuses and just put up. There have been plenty of QBs who play well individually on bad teams.

          It’s just like with RG3. I was a huge fan before he was even drafted so I think I kept my patience with him longer than most. I could still make 1,000 excuses for him but it was time to stop doing that and admit he isn’t the guy I thought he was. Same goes for Colt.

          I like Colt McCoy a lot and I think he’s one of the better backups in the league. But he’s no starting NFL QB. He’s smart, seems to understand the offense, and seems to understand how to read a defense. But he’s physically unable to make all the throws. Just like you said. Weak armed QBs have made it in the West Coast offense for decades, but not weak like Colt. He’s too limited to be a starter. But he can win a game or two off the bench and make a few desperate fans think he has what it takes.

      • ET - Sep 15, 2016 at 2:11 PM

        “I am positive Colt McCoy could play a better overall game than Kirk Cousins first appearance. Colt might squeeze out some wins. However, it is hard to bench a guy that makes 20 mil a year.”

        Wow.

        Colt was a great college player. He’s a great backup QB. I think he’ll make a great coach someday. I’m extremely happy we have him on the roster. Consider me a fan.

        But Colt has no business as a starting NFL QB, not for more than a couple games in spot duty, not if you want a contending team, not if you want more than a game manager, and most assuredly not on a team without a decent rushing attack. We have a starting QB who still has pleny of upside. He needs a chance.

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        • Trey Gregory - Sep 15, 2016 at 2:52 PM

          Colt would get murdered with this team the way it is.

          And you’re correct. We have a true starting QB who just needs more time. So he’s not Ben Roethilsberger or Tom Brady when they were at the same points in their career. Not many guys can compare to them. Doesn’t mean Cousins can’t win games for us.

          This extreme overreaction to a single game is nuts. The Seahawks, Redskins, Texans, Steelers, and Vikings all lost week 1 last year and still made the playoffs. And the Vikings got smoked 20-3 vs the 49ers. How did that turn out? The Rams beat the Seahawks. Whose season ended up better? The Bengals crushed the Raiders and then the Raiders had a bounce back season. The Chargers beat the Lions and then fought the rest of the season with San Fran and Cleveland to be the worst team in the league.

          My point is that one week doesn’t show a trend or forecast the rest of the season. The Falcons went 5-0 (6-0?) and then went on a massive losing skid and had an awful season. The Chiefs went 1-5 then won 10 straight. Just relax everyone and let’s see what happens. It was one lousy game against a really good team and someone is already calling for McCoy to start? Get a grip. (Not you ET. I know you’re good people).

        • ET - Sep 15, 2016 at 5:28 PM

          The stronger reactions to last week’s game have been both aggravating and hilarious.

          Save us from our fellow fans, Capt’n Kirk!

  11. metalman5150 - Sep 15, 2016 at 11:19 AM

    Kirk just HAS TO LOOK like he belongs! Too many short passes, passes behind receivers, poor decisions, in the opener.

    Kirk certainly did not look comfortable in week one.

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    • Trey Gregory - Sep 15, 2016 at 1:05 PM

      The short passes aren’t the problem. They were often the correct read. But the inaccuracy was the problem.

      …. Unless you mean short as in low or didn’t get to receivers. In which case you’re absolutely correct.

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  12. colmac69 - Sep 15, 2016 at 11:59 AM

    It’s blatantly obvious our success this season is going to b determined by how well our offense functions….we simply don’t have gd enough defense to bail out offense when it struggles…..it’s that simple imo especially coming up against the better teams like a steelers/packers etc etc

    Your looking at qbs then look no further than roethlisberger when he entered league in 04…pitt had very strong run game and a great defense to compliment a rookie qb…throughout his career pitt have remained strong in both then you add in how gd he has developed in last 10 yrs. …u got franchise qb

    Wilson in seattle another example….Yeh he bn pretty gd so far but when he hasn’t performed he got strong run game and outstanding defense to bail out

    Just couple examples of how qbs need complimentary talent in other areas esp strong defense to offset when they struggle as what happens to young qbs

    Granted cousins not young age wise but he only started bout the equivalent of two seasons and without much of run game and a porous defense

    But he certainly needs to play better….but he understands I think….people make much of how much he making this yr but they need to realise that if he doesn’t play well the contract xtension with big bucks is off the table….he b paid like a backup and prob on another team….

    I would imagine the d-line will b a priority nxt season….has to be……..also loss of galette is big again….one guy who can win single match ups with the speed to get to qb….Kerrigan simply doesn’t have speed and smith still learning. ….teams aren’t afraid of redskins pass rush…….

    Anytime cousins had adversity last yr he always bounced back with very gd game….let’s hope he does sunday….win on Sunday and we b 1-1 which is what most people had after 2 games

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    • Greed - Sep 15, 2016 at 12:27 PM

      Good points but to me the key will be our dline vs the opponents online , then vice versa then cousins not having his head up his you know what like he did Monday night , low throws erratic throws refusal to step up in pocket refusal to run , first time in a while he played like he had lack of awareness of the picket and game, like gruden said in off season when he wouldn’t sign long term deal and signed franchise tag tender , now he has to play like a 20 million $ QB !

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    • Greed - Sep 15, 2016 at 12:31 PM

      Dline needs to be priority NOW not next season & I don’t mean pass rush ., if I’m Scott I got pot roast on speed dial they need girth up front to plug the middle get some push in the middle to help edge rushers

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      • Rich Tandler - Sep 15, 2016 at 12:47 PM

        Let me guess–you’d bring in Pot Roast because the Redskins were so effective against the run with him playing 15 games last year?

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        • Trey Gregory - Sep 15, 2016 at 1:08 PM

          It’s because he’s the only name people know I guess. Watch all the accolades come for Hood and Baker if we win next week. Everyone will be praising how awesome everyone on the team is.

        • Greed - Sep 15, 2016 at 4:56 PM

          No because pot roast was good at taking up blockers & pushing up the middle which seem to free up Compton & mason better tacklers than the previous 2 lbackers skins defense had gotten better against the run midway thru the season until playoff game I rather have pot roast than Kendrick ghoulston didn’t see him push the pocket against the pass or play on steelers side of ball against the run , he was on scates most of game, he may of not played at a all pro level but pot roast gave us girth and size in the middle, skins did make a late push to resign him so they must of thought he did an ok job last year, I mean they brought in Jenkins who played 1,2 quarters of preseason for them didn’t they

      • Trey Gregory - Sep 15, 2016 at 1:13 PM

        Greed: I would love to get some big nast DTs and DEs on our line to plug gals and get good interior pressure. But help isn’t coming this season short of some miracle blockbuster trade. The kind of people who can actually help us and play better than our current guys just aren’t available at this point in the year. And they don’t come cheap.

        The only solution is to have the current players do better and get a run game going to keep the opposing offense (and our defense) off the field. That’s it.

        Our starters really aren’t even all that bad. But we have zero quality depth so they get tired and replaced by the likes of Kendal Reyes. The key will be to keep them as fresh as possible with long offensive scoring drives.

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        • bangkokben - Sep 15, 2016 at 1:56 PM

          I shouldn’t do this but I’m too juvenile… You’d love “…to plug gals and get good interior pressure?” “But help isn’t coming?” Too rich. Auto correct strikes again.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 15, 2016 at 2:26 PM

          Hahaha. You should do that because we could use some humor and lighter discussion around here. I don’t know how you guys post on your computers. I’ve tried multiple computers and the comments never work. They’re all Macs though, maybe that’s why. So yeah, I do everything on my phone and auto correct gets me a lot.

          It’s not lost on me how ridiculous commentators sound sometimes talking about backside penetration, pounding gaps, and all that stuff. We should really come up with a better way to say some of this stuff.

        • ET - Sep 15, 2016 at 2:35 PM

          “But we have zero quality depth so they get tired and replaced by the likes of Kendal Reyes.”

          And there’s part of the issue—as I understand how this line is meant to work, frequent substitutions in and out are a “feature” that’s supposed to help keep the starters / top performers fresh and agile and keep the opposing OL offcenter with multiple sub-packages. But if there’s poor depth or a big dropoff in play, the whole plan goes to sh!t. Only half the position group (Baker, Hood, RJF) is really up to snuff, which makes the situation kinda precarious.

        • Greed - Sep 15, 2016 at 5:01 PM

          True , why I said pot roast he knows the system and wasn’t half bad last yr we don’t need an all pro in my opinion just someone who big who can tie up blockers get a push now and then , hell I even take Corey Crawford who was on our PS last yr , at this point ghoulston is not fit to be an every down nt he more of a 4-3 tackle a back up at that

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 15, 2016 at 5:37 PM

          Well, I think it’s too early to panick and jump to these conclusions. The only thing we really learned from that game was our team didn’t show up ready to play. The. good O-line, HOF QB, and the best WR in football abused them for it. Even if we win, it would still be too early to draw any conclusions. It’s just one game.

          I was against letting Knighton go at first. But mostly because of continuity and his leadership. No, he wasn’t downright awful. But I slowly came around to seeing how much his conditioning issues affected us. I just don’t know how much he really adds at this point.

          Golston may not be an every down NT, but that’s fine seeing as how we don’t use a NT every down. We’re in a 4 man front the large majority of the time. Baker and Hood should do a decent job there and RJF/Gholston aren’t bad in rotation. Murphy will probably start seeing the field more as a hybrid DE/OLB and get Kerrigan/Smith some rest to keep them fresher for big moments. It’s just not all that bad where we need to panick and sign any recognizable name we can find.

          Knighton isn’t an every down player either. Both because he’s a limited pass rusher and his conditioning. I don’t know that it would hurt to sign him, but who do cut if we sign him? That’s part of the issue. We already signed Cullen Jenkins for some help and cut an offensive linemen. Let’s see how Jenkins does.

  13. Greed - Sep 15, 2016 at 12:21 PM

    Grudent doesn’t commit to the run just cause you get behind in a game doesn’t mean you abandon the run actually that’s win you should run , regain control of the line of scrimmage give your defense a breather get back into a game, seems he only wants to run to say see we ran , the run game looked sloppy Monday night, maybe it was Jones lack of reps but their was no cohesion between him & the line , this was a problem he had as o coordinator in cincy their run game went down every year with him calling the plays, it takes more energy pass blocking than run blocking so early in the season when players are still getting their game conditioning to be so pass heavy attributes to things like mental & physical fatigue & more multiple false starts & holding penalties

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    • dafoota - Sep 15, 2016 at 1:10 PM

      Exactly!!!

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    • Trey Gregory - Sep 15, 2016 at 1:18 PM

      I agree we shouldn’t abandon the run so easily.

      That game looks like a blowout but we were actually in it all the way through the fourth quarter. Two long scoring drives and a single defensive stand and we take the lead and win. It wasn’t time to abandon the run until later in the fourth.

      But we did, so our D was smoked and Pittsburg’s offense kept getting back on the field. Washington’s quality control coach needs to be in Gruden and McVay’s ear all night with the run/pass ratio to make sure they stay at least semi balanced. Maybe Callahan needs to be a little more vocal too. I don’t know.

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      • COSSkinsFan - Sep 15, 2016 at 10:46 PM

        The game seemed to get out of hand pretty quickly, but we were in it for awhile. I panicked at first but rewatching the game, we’ll be OK. Breeland’s got beat not burnt. He nearly intercepted AB’s first td catch. If Kerrigan recovered that fumble and ran it in it would’ve changed things. I’m not whining about these plays, just saying despite all the bad plays we still could still have come out with a W if we had made one or two more that were right there.

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        • Trey Gregory - Sep 16, 2016 at 2:45 AM

          Right. It’s similar to that Chris Culliver pick 6 vs. Carolina last year. Carolina was clearly far and away the better team. But our guys showed up to fight early. Then a stroke of bad luck (and I think a bad call because the receiver lowered his helmet). Killed our momentum and a big play that could have brought more momentum and we lost the tiny chance we had to win.

          Kerrigan should have fallen on that fumble. Forget running it back. No room for errors against a team like Pittsburgh. But, it’s hard to blame him for trying to make a good play a great play. Also, Norman stripped AB. That was a fumble and we recovered it. If turning your body to run with the ball isn’t a football move then they need to just take that language out of the rule book. Home teams usually get those calls. I thought I was being a biased fan until I heard some pretty respected sports commentators (who played football or worked in a front office) say they too thought it was a completion and fumble. If those two plays go our way then we gain a ton of momentum.

          Also, we should have scored touchdowns on those FG drives. Like you said, no excuses. But if you imagine this team without the rust then we assume Cousins makes more accurate throws, catches are made, and we score how we know we can score. Momentum shifts, the gameplan (for both teams) changes, and it’s a different game. Norman also damn near intercepted Ben once. And Breeland was right on AB most of the time. There aren’t many QBs who could make those perfect throws into the coverage Breeland had.

          Not saying we would win. Ben would throw more if he was behind. But it’s a different game and it doesn’t look so bad. Even if we lose, our heads are a bit higher. The team was rusty, we had some bad luck, and we dug too deep of a hole to overcome that bad luck. But it’s not the end of the world. They’ll get it together and play to their ability. Then we can actually evaluate where they are. After a couple more games.

    • bangkokben - Sep 15, 2016 at 1:40 PM

      Yep should kept that half a yard a play going with the running game. That works fantastic against a good run defense. If only. [sigh] Then the team would’ve been absolutely fabulous.

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      • Trey Gregory - Sep 15, 2016 at 2:08 PM

        We quite simply didn’t run enough times to determine that the run game wasn’t working. There were 10 called runs. That’s it. That’s awful man. Pittsburgh does have a good run D but we have no idea how our run game would have faired against them because we didn’t try. You would be livid if we only passed 10 times with mixed success and people said the pass game wasn’t working and would have been a waste of time to keep trying. And to be clear, we did have some successful runs. It is conceivable that we could have built off that and kept it going.

        And let’s also address that the pass wasn’t exactly going off without a hitch either. Should we have abandoned the short passes after Cousins threw short or couldn’t lead his receivers? We stuck with it and it eventually started to work right?

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        • dafoota - Sep 15, 2016 at 2:22 PM

          Exactly!!!

        • bangkokben - Sep 15, 2016 at 3:58 PM

          It was the gameplan to nor run that often — specifically for Pittsburgh. They got away from the run a bit more because they did not have the ball the entire second quarter. The few runs they ran were not “mixed success” but mixed failure. Look at the play-by-play there was one successful run in the first half and that was an eight yard carry on first and ten. That’s it. That’s a poor definition for some. Your degrees for success with the short pass and run are total askew. As inaccurate as Cousins was, the play calling wasn’t the problem. The passing game moved the ball and got first downs while the running game stalled drives except for the second drive.

  14. lezziemcdykerson - Sep 15, 2016 at 3:45 PM

    “Losing your starting quarterback to a Week One injury is never a good thing. Except in Cleveland, where some in the Browns organization think it could be.

    That’s the word from Adam Schefter of ESPN, who reports that some in the Browns building think Robert Griffin III’s injury could turn out to be a good thing for the franchise because coach Hue Jackson was too focused on fixing Griffin. Those (unnamed) people think that with Griffin hurt, Jackson will move on to building for the future, and Griffin is not part of that future.”

    Wow. That didn’t take long at all.

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  15. dafoota - Sep 15, 2016 at 3:50 PM

    I am totally against getting rid of gruden or cousins.

    I just would like to see is not give up leads or become predictable. Without a run game that is what we will do.

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