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Need to Know: Stock up-Stock down for Redskins vs. Steelers

Sep 13, 2016, 6:51 AM EDT


Here is what you need to know on this Tuesday, September 13, five days before the Washington Redskins host the Dallas Cowboys.


Today’s schedule: Jay Gruden news conference (via conference call) 3 p.m.

Days until: Browns @ Redskins 19; Redskins @ Ravens 26; Eagles @ Redskins 33

Stock up-stock down vs Steelers

Here are the players who improved their stock against the Steelers and the ones who had some issues.

UpDeSean Jackson had 102 yards receiving, showing some tangible result for the excellent training camp and preseason he has had. He also drew a 46-yard pass interference flag late in the game.

DownBashaud Breeland probably didn’t deserve all of the criticism that came his way—it took perfect passes and outstanding catches to beat him a lot of the time—but he did not have a good night. It will take him at least a few games to rebuild his reputation as a solid corner.

UpChris Thompson scored the first rushing touchdown of his career and helped protect Kirk Cousins, who was not sacked in 43 pass attempts.

Down—It’s been a while since Trent Williams appeared on this list. But he committed a false start, a holding penalty, and flat out missed some blocks that helped spike the running game. This was not a game that will help him build his All-Pro resume.

Up—Jordan Reed got off to a fast start, disappeared for a while, and then made a few more catches later on. He had 7 receptions for 64 yards, a solid start to the season.

DownPreston Smith still has a lot to learn. He had some chances to get Ben Roethlisberger down but he tried to bring Big Ben down like he’s a normal QB. He’s not. All Smith had to show for playing the entire game was three assisted tackles. No solos, no sacks.

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  1. Chris HTTTR - Sep 13, 2016 at 7:03 AM

    Down – Kirk Cousins

    • Mr.moneylover - Sep 13, 2016 at 9:22 AM

      Agree, I keep telling ppl Redskins still in pre-season mode because the lack playing time…redskins first win will be against the Browns thanks to jay gruden sitting his starters for most of the Pre-season…. 3 O-linemen was called for a total of 5 penalties then Matt jones penalty makes it 6 …jay gruden was brought here to fix our offense not to get it going then shut it down…everybody knew kory L. Had a nerve injury he will never have the same strength so why in hell they wait until the season bought to start to make a trade for a center with the patriots… after that playoff game against the packers that shouldve been the #1 goal was to upgrade the O-line and D-line and they did absolutely NOTHING

      • chimps000 - Sep 13, 2016 at 9:46 AM

        Alex Mack one of the better centers in the league was a free agent- we could have had him for big money this summer instead we got Norman who we have cover
        the number 3 and 4 wideout of the opposing team.

        I think Norman is great, he wants to earn his money, great coaches change their scheme to fit their talent, and if Norman can only succeed as a zone corner why the hell
        did we make him the richest CB in the league?

        • Mr.moneylover - Sep 13, 2016 at 9:53 AM

          Redskins couldve got both players if they really wanted too…they just over looked the major issues

      • greed - Sep 14, 2016 at 10:17 AM

        took the words directly out my mouth !

    • alabama9282 - Sep 13, 2016 at 9:27 AM

      0-26 they only number you need to know….love the person NOT NFL QB

      • Mr.moneylover - Sep 13, 2016 at 9:40 AM

        They activated josh doctson for 1 catch when they couldve use rashad ross for special teams and another deep threat ….that goes back to last year troubles making bad decisions and the lack of adjustments

    • Skulb - Sep 13, 2016 at 11:06 AM

      Indeed. He looked very insecure.

  2. bk70 - Sep 13, 2016 at 7:07 AM

    HTTR,,,Big Ben and Antonio Brown are the real deal – great tandem. Redskins will learn from this experience.

    • sidepull - Sep 13, 2016 at 7:34 AM

      I drank too much Kool-Aid. I actually thought we had a prayer.

      • cmehustle - Sep 13, 2016 at 7:38 AM

        You and me both brother. That was ugly.

      • redskins12thman - Sep 13, 2016 at 8:22 AM

        While I didn’t think the Redskins would win, I thought they could win. But more importantly, I just wanted the Redskins to be competitive in the game regardless of whether they won or lost. The Redskins were not competitive. Similar to the playoff game against the Packers, the Redskins were outclassed by the Steelers. Zero overall improvement.

  3. redskins12thman - Sep 13, 2016 at 7:15 AM

    Only one game but not a good night for most Skins.

    Only one game but not a good night for most Redskins.

    Last night, the Redskins showed no signs of improving from last season and are still a pretender (and not a contender) right now. We knew heading into the off-season we had no running attack and could not stop the run; we no longer have excuses and the team has little time to turn the ship around.

    Last night’s Redskins performance was very disappointing. Actually, given the hubris the Redskins displayed in the pre-season, the performance was embarrassing. The team wasn’t ready for primetime and it needs to talk less and spend that time preparing. Moreover, they not only played scared, they made poor decisions and at times seemed lost.

    In week one, no home team had lost by more than 9 points until the Redskins lost by 22 points (and it wasn’t even that close). Even the hapless away Browns only lost by 19 points.

    Penalties continued for the Redskins; a problem that has been known for weeks. Only the Raiders and Rams had more penalties than the Redskins in the first week. There were at least 7 offensive penalties on the Redskins last night.

    On offense only Garcon, Jackson and Reed played at a high level (maybe Scherff) — some fans wanted to jettison the two aging vets and I’d hate to think where the team would be at without them.

    If the Redskins could have designed the defense the Steelers would play it would have been very similar to what they faced last night, and yet, Cousins seemed so unprepared and unable to effectively execute against it. Sometimes his passes were off and a couple of times he inexplicably forced throws while not facing a lot of pressure.

    When on defense, the Redskins showed no improvement on run defense as the Steelers basically ran at will and did not hesitate to execute fourth down plays. The opponents will continue to test Breeland and Hall until they get better results.

    Some fans and pundits dismiss the poor record against good teams but I think the Redskins lack confidence to play against these better teams.

    • cmehustle - Sep 13, 2016 at 7:40 AM

      Well, all I would say to that is have you watched the Redskins before?

      • redskins12thman - Sep 13, 2016 at 7:52 AM

        When you have an entire off-season to make improvements in known areas of deficiency, I expect to see at least some … We got a big dose of hot air.

        • chimps000 - Sep 13, 2016 at 9:09 AM

          mcloughan made zero improvements to the front 7 on defense that was bad last year… he lucked into josh Norman, paid him like he is the best corner in the game, and Joe Barry has him zone covering the steelers 4th and 5th WR.

          If you believe he is the best CB in the game, put him on Antonio brown- if you say that’s not our scheme, then why did you pay him huge money? Steelers missed their number 2 and number 3 wr in Markus Wheaton, and let Antonio brown beat them… the one guy you need to not
          let beat you. Atrocious coaching. Imagine Belichick letting that happen.

          oh btw when does he ever blitz? no matter who you are, you need to vary your defense- not saying we should blitz like crazy, but he needs to change it up. Wow.

  4. RuddyJamesDIO - Sep 13, 2016 at 7:41 AM

    Lets not make excuses for Breeland. He got smoked more than a Bob Marley joint. Oh the passes were perfect blah blah blah….make a play!!! Stick your hand in there and knock the ball out. Hopefully he learns from this experience because he looked bad!!

    No pass rush as usual. Kerrigan & Smith were non existent. Our defensive line gets pushed off the ball on every down and we have the worst inside linebackers in the league. Where are these guys on run plays??? You always knew London Fletcher was going to make the tackle if the RB made it past the line. He was always in the right spot. Compton has no clue. People need to stop praising this guy. He is not a good football player…period!!!

    Our safeties never seem to be in the right place if the ball is thrown deep. Our corners cannot depend on them to help in coverage. Burton made one play other than that they were lost on the field.

    Kirk was off target on many pass plays and for the love of God why isn’t he running to pick up first downs when the field is wide open in front of him. How many false starts can an offense have. That’s just bad coaching. Penalty after penalty.

    Why do we have drafted players if we are not going to play them?? How many offensive & defensive snaps in total did our drafted players take???

    • sidepull - Sep 13, 2016 at 7:56 AM

      Ha ha Bob Marley Spliff……

      Did Spaight ever get on the field? Fat Rob?

      • RuddyJamesDIO - Sep 13, 2016 at 8:49 AM

        I’m not sure who dressed but I don’t recall seeing any rookies out there besides a couple of plays for Doctson. Was Cravens on the field on 3rd downs???

    • Trey Gregory - Sep 13, 2016 at 12:31 PM

      Because rookies need time to develop. They don’t usually just come to the NFL ready to go unless they’re very high first round selection.

      I get the frustration guys but relax a little. Kerrigan was non existent? Well except for when he strip sacked Ben after putting their LT on skates.

      No excuses for Breelend? Find me a NFL corner who can cover AB. Just one.

      The roller coaster of emotions with some of you guys is ridiculous. Pre season it’s “we’re going to the Super Bowl!” Then after a single loss to a truly really good team it’s “we’re terrible and will go 0-16!” Just relax and let the season play out. People have bad games, teams have bad games. It happens to literally every team.

      • chimps000 - Sep 13, 2016 at 1:06 PM

        Kerrigan made one play- a great play, but one play was what I saw. That’s better than he majority of his teammates.

      • chimps000 - Sep 13, 2016 at 1:09 PM

        and you are right, who can single cover brown- and why was breeland repeatedly in that situation with the steelers number 2 and 3 wr out of the game. That’s incomprehensible.

        It’s one thing to get beat by a better team, which they clearly did- but the way they got
        beat was disappointing to say the least.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 13, 2016 at 2:48 PM

          For sure. It was brutal. But if everyone would calm down we could have an honest conversation about how these guys actually played. That’s what I was getting at with Kerrigan. He wasn’t completely invisible. Doesn’t mean he played great but we can’t honestly evaluate where this team is if people are just going to be fatalistic nuts jobs about everything.

          The unforgivable AB catch was the first TD on 4th and 1. Breeland was in man with DHall over the top. They bit WAY too hard on the run. I don’t think there’s a CB in the league who can cover AB but DHall and Breeland should be able to together. Hall was too close and it might as well have just been Breeland on an island. I’m thinking there should always, always be a deep safety with Ben and AB on the field together. Maybe they give up the first down, but not the TD.

          I’m slowly watching the game again. Rewinding a lot and trying to get a true feel for what happened. Im still in the second quarter but so far the big things I see are 1) we abandoned the run. Can’t do that. 2) penalties. 3) Cousins was just off. If he plays like we know he can then we probably go up 14-0 and it’s a different game. The strength of this team is the pass offense. So if Cousins is off, and we abandon the run, then that’s what happens. Cousins has to do better.

      • demskinsbaby - Sep 13, 2016 at 2:44 PM

        It’s not a roller coaster of emotions. The steelers made adjustments to get AB the ball. What did the Redskins do to counter that? Both lines were glaring weaknesses last year that weren’t really addressed. Maybe they put too much stock in their ability to coach a player up. Maybe they are satisfied with the talent we have. Who the hell knows but these are things that should have been at least addressed this off season. These lines have a long way to go.. Before they get better with these coaches. Wade Phillips is giving the Broncos the 1 defense, while the Redskins get Joe frickin Barry, who’s track record is unimpressive. I think we have the right players for the most part but these schemes just aren’t working.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 13, 2016 at 2:55 PM

          And what would you have done to stop AB? I think you should could make quite a bit of money if you have a legit answer because there isn’t a DC in the NFL who has been able to do it. He’s one of the most productive WRs in NFL history with arguably the best QB in the NFL throwing to him. Share with us the adjustments that would have stopped that.

          And the O-line was not a weakness last year. In fact, they grades out pretty well despite losing two starters. They gave Cousins plenty of time to throw last night for the most part. I’m honestly not sure if people have no clue how to evaluate O-linemen or if they just read something and roll with it. But I did not see anything alarming with the O-line so far. Please though, share what you didn’t like and ill go back and look for it (let me guess, Kory got “pushed back on every play?)

          So yeah, roller coaster. Check the articles from yesterday. People were largely saying we would win and we were contenders to go deep in the playoffs. Now the sky is falling and we stand no chance. It’s an over reaction to a single game.

  5. cmehustle - Sep 13, 2016 at 7:45 AM

    No running game, I starting to think this is a Jay Gruden staple. I wish he would sprinkle a little bit of the run in with his arena league philosiphy, Kirk is not that guy who can pass us to a championship yet. Also, very happy we paid 15 mil a year for a guy we didnt use, nice job. Things have really changed a lot since the last few seasons defensively (or maybe not). Still, this is probably a championship level squad we got our arses kicked by last night, this loss wont make or break the season. We need to beat the bad teams, which we have one coming up next. If we lose to THAT team, we’re in trouble.

    • redskins12thman - Sep 13, 2016 at 7:59 AM

      The Redskins need to win five out of their next six games to make the playoffs. Based on last night’s performance, the Redskins are not the same level as the Bengals, Packers, Cardinals, Panthers and maybe even Vikings, let alone Patriots and Broncos, whom thankfully, they don’t face.

      • sidepull - Sep 13, 2016 at 8:07 AM

        Pats amaze. Missing key players still in position to get the eventual win. People will say what they will I still think that is a heck of an organization.

        • redskins12thman - Sep 13, 2016 at 8:11 AM

          Belichick knows how to evaluate talent and prepare effective game plans; one of the best ever.

        • chimps000 - Sep 13, 2016 at 9:53 AM

          He’s the best- his defenses take away your go to guy and force you to beat him with your lesser talented players- he changes his scheme constantly,
          always adjusting.

          bad he coaches the patriots.

      • Trey Gregory - Sep 13, 2016 at 3:01 PM

        We are not yet at the level of those teams. Definitely including Minnessota. That’s a really good team guys. It’s nauseating how much talent they have on that roster. Just wait for Beadford to be ready and they will hum. It’s mostly a defensive team though.

        But that’s why I had all those games, including the Steelers, as losses. So no surprises. I like the direction of this team and think they improved. But you have to actually look at the schedule. Looking at the schedule I see 7 wins. 8 if they can sweep Philly. Then maybe they pull off an upset and get a 9th. But I see that as the ceiling. Would love for them to prove me wrong with more wins. And I do believe that’s possible if Cousins gets back to form and we run the ball more.

        • bangkokben - Sep 13, 2016 at 4:19 PM

          I’ve got no problem with running the ball as long as it doesn’t affect the passing game. Up until the real interception (the first,) Cousins had been patient taking what the defense was giving them. That worked fine as long as they only needed ten yards to gain fist down. As soon as it became 1st and 20 or 1st and 25, they could no longer get the adequate chunks to move the chains. To me, this is what has to fixed in the run game. 2 and 7 is a helluva lot better than 1st and 20.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 14, 2016 at 12:40 AM

          For sure. That’s rough. But not running the ball will affect the pass. We saw it last night. They could just rush 3 and sit back in an 8-man zone. That’s tough for anybody to pass against. Yeah, we might win against that sometimes. But we will loose too. Then if you look at the other sideline and see they can run and pass too, and sustain 8 min drives, then they’ll wear our defense down and score too. There just has to be some kind of balance. Even the best passing attacks suffer dropped passes, bad throws, and batted balls.

          Cousins seemed to be making good decesions early to me too. But his accuracy was clearly a little off. It would have helped him a whole lot to have a run game to lean on so he could get his confidence back. I’m all about using our awesome receivers and throwing the ball. But we have to be able to run too. Have to.

        • bangkokben - Sep 14, 2016 at 4:31 PM

          The lack of rushing attempts were the results of the situation. On the few attempts they made when the game was still competitive (eight), four of them were negative plays — plays where the line of scrimmage goes backward. That is a terrible ratio. Of course the play caller is thinking that it’s just an anomaly, unlucky, or whatever but that is consistent to the end of last year. Yet running plays were continue to be called after it was 24-6. One worked on first down from the ‘skins 32 (12-yard gain and first down). Did this work because of the situation (time, score, Pittsburgh’s domination) or because the ‘skins actually can run the ball? I’ll take the situation. The other run killed the drive and the game (1st and 10 from Pitt’s 20 — holding, 1st and 20 from the 30). Game. Set. Match.

          Same 50% ratio as well and it’s not like the other 50% of running plays are first downs. The only rushing first downs happened after the initial eight rushing plays — once Pittsburgh was up by two scores.

          The runs afterward don’t count. Two runs by Thompson in no huddle and a scramble by Cousins. You can’t expect those yards when calling a running play in normal circumstances.

          Saying the Redskins have to run more is the equivalent of saying the Redskins need more holding penalties called against them? At least throwing the ball resulted in positive yardage. The probability of a holding call is higher than an incompletion.

          Fixing the running game will help the passing game. Calling more running plays with run game at its current state will have adverse affects.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 15, 2016 at 2:17 AM

          I’m pretty sure you were joking but it’s ridiculous to equate running the ball with a holding penalty. Even if it’s for a loss. A holding penalty is an automatic loss of 10. Did we lose 10 on any running play? And the runs after we were down do count. That’s a great time to run because it’s vs. a 3 man front and 8 man zone! This game is about exploiting weaknesses. You’re not going to win throwing against an 8 man zone. You may get a couple completions here and there but you won’t consistently succede. But 5 O-linemen and 1 RB damn well better be able to beat a 3 man front. That’s exactly when you run.

          Sometimes I wonder if you don’t look at things in too much of a micro/analytical level and not enough of the macro. The cliche a football being chess is a cliche for a reason: it’s true. A team does benefit from a run for no gain. It’s how it affects the way the defense plays you.

          One of the big misconceptions about Chip Kelley’s offense is that it’s a pass happy offense. It’s actually a run first offense but they end up passing so much because they’ve gashed the defense so much with the run that they start loading the box and Kelley passes. If they drop extra men in coverage then he will run. He had a run/pass option built into every play and the QB simply goes after the weakness. The only real choice for the defense is to play balanced. And a good QB and WRs can work with a balanced defense.

          We have to do something similar. If you abandon the run then they will abandon run D and shut your pass down. An 8 man zone blocks all the throwing lanes. Even if you have great WRs who aren’t tightly covered they cant get the ball because there’s a defender above and below them. Look at the view of that game from above and tell me where Cousins is supposed to throw the ball against that zone. There isn’t a place downfield. The only way to prevent that is to run. Force them to rush 4 or 5, run blitz, and keep their LBs up close so our WRs can get favorable matchups. Even if you run into a brick wall and punt, you have to keep doing it. It’s about winning the game and sometimes you have to lose some drives to do that.

          Every team has a quality control coach. They count how many times each team does what from each personnel group. So a gameplan for the first half could be to run every single time we’re in 13 personnel even if we get nothing out of it. At halftime the opponents QC coach tells the DC that we run every time from 13 so watch for it. Then, after the half, on a critical 3rd we line up in 13 and pass for a first down and the defense is totally unprepared. That’s the chess match. That’s what halftime adjustments really are. It could even be that we run to the right in 13 and to the left in 12 then we flip it. But it’s about creating favorable matchups and lulling the opponent into thinking they know what you’re going to do. You have to sacrifice some pawns to accomplish that.

          There are coaches (Andy Reid for example) who start a game where the first 10-15 plays are scripted regardless of success and what the defense gives. He does that to see how the defense reacts to each play and then he decides what to call. The point is that his play call comes from how the defense reacts. Not from a perceived strength of the offense or if they’re behind. And if the defense doesn’t adjust, he will smoke them. Same is true on offense. You have to adjust to what the defense does. I’ll run for 10 yards vs. a 3 man front all night over throwing into an 8 man zone or dumping it off 3 yards for my receiver to get crushed by a MLB because he has no blockers.

        • bangkokben - Sep 15, 2016 at 4:31 AM

          “I’ll run for 10 yards vs. a 3 man front all night over throwing into an 8 man zone or dumping it off 3 yards for my receiver to get crushed by a MLB because he has no blockers.”

          Of course! But the EXACT OPPOSITE WAS HAPPENING. That is the point. Those three man fronts didn’t look like three man fronts. Look at the net yards per play. It is so simple. The run should’ve been abandoned but it wasn’t. Bottom line: the pass was three times more effective than the run.

    • Trey Gregory - Sep 13, 2016 at 3:08 PM

      Yeah. We have to run the ball more than 11 times. Have to have to have to. It’s crazy to think we could win without somewhat establishing the run. I’m not saying 50-50 or even 60% runs. But it needs to be semi balanced. They were able to just rush 3 or 4 and sit back in a zone. That’s what happens to passing offenses with even great receivers if the defense can send everyone into coverage.

      Our defense was exhausted by the 4th quarter because we couldn’t sustain long drives and they could. Jones has the potential now he needs to figure it out with more carries. And give Kelley a damn chance if Jones isn’t getting it done.

      Can’t agree about not using Norman though. He shut down half of the field. That’s what he gets paid for. Send anyone his way and they’re shut down. Just like Sherm (also doesn’t travel). We knew where the ball was going because of Norman and moving DBs can cause issues in itself. If Hall and Breeland can’t cover someone when we know the ball is going that way then it’s going to be a long season. AB is just uncoverable. It sucks but it’s over. Won’t see another receiver like him. Not even OBJ or Dez.

      • chimps000 - Sep 13, 2016 at 5:18 PM

        actually the Seahawks vary their scheme (how novel) and had sherman cover Antonio brown last year… he shut him

        Norman did a good job the TWO times he was covering Antonio brown in the game. I’m going to go out on a limb here and speculate that the steelers coaches wanted to get AB matched up on breeland and NOT Norman last nite, while joe Barry was like “humpty humpty hump, I play this scheme that’s what I play”

        Again, the steelers were missing their number 2 and 3 wr- that was the exact situation to put your best cover guy on their best wr- and it happened twice in the game. Make someone else beat you.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 13, 2016 at 6:53 PM

          I don’t remember watching that game but I’m sure you’re right. I looked it up and Brown didn’t have a great game. Still, Sherm didn’t exactly shut him down. He still had 6 receptions.

          I meant that the Seakahwks don’t generally move Sherman. That would be the only time I’ve ever heard of it. It’s one of the criticisms people make against him being the best corner in the league (ignorantly) and John Gruden even mentioned it in the broadcast. The team who has had one of the top defenses since 2013 generally doesn’t make their #1 corner travel.

          I know it seems like an obvious solution but it creates its own set of problems. You’re taking guy out of position and asking them to play opposite. Should Trent Williams travel to block each team’s best pass rusher too? Norman may end up traveling for us eventually. But that was his first game in a new system with new players. And then you’re not only asking him to move, but Breeland. Getting them both out of their comfort zone. That’s a recipe for disaster.

          Also, Norman is an elite zone corner. Not an elite man coverage corner. Breeland is the best man guy on our team. And Breeland was in man a few times vs. Brown. I said it yesterday, that I hoped we just trusted our zone and didn’t man up 1-on-1 with AB. But if we did, that I hoped it was Breeland. Norman is bad in man. So we actually did have the best guy for the job on AB in those situations. Not all game, but again, it was Norman’s first game. Things aren’t usually as simple as “Norman should follow AB. Case closed.” Believe me, Gruden and Barry know more about coverage than you.

        • chimps000 - Sep 13, 2016 at 7:10 PM

          Barry’s game
          plan was atrocious- and he made no significant adjustments.

          Just listened to Cooley podcast – he says basically what I said – he also adds that when you get no pass rush, you need to change your plan- either blitz more (my super innovative suggestion) or Cooley said why not drop 8 into coverage as its not like that guy can get any pressure anyways.

          If you want to keep
          Norman on the number 4 and 5 wideout in the game, which I think is foolish on its face, then you need to constantly double and bracket Antonio brown.

          And you need to go into a game with a freaking backup plan, which never happened. When it became obvious that breeland was getting destroyed, do something different. When it became obvious that rushing 4 guys was about as good as rushing 2, do something different. That’s what good coaching is,
          and man joe Barry is not a good coach.

        • chimps000 - Sep 13, 2016 at 7:16 PM

          “As it turned out, Seattle put Sherman on Brown for most of the game, and it worked. Brown was held to six catches for 51 yards (three catches for 24 yards against Sherman), and the Seahawks won in a shootout, 39-30.”

          Markus Wheaton, the
          number 3 wr for Pittsburgh had a great game that day, the guy didn’t even play against us. And that’s what you want as a defensive
          coach- if I’m going to lose, I want to get beat by the number 3 wr.

          Everyone said sherman was a zone corner
          not a man corner like they said about Norman – well now they usually say sherman is just a great corner, period. I would rather have the highest paid corner in the league against brown, with help, than breeland.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 13, 2016 at 7:20 PM

          I never heard anyone call Sherm just a good corner but I’ll believe you there. Still, doesn’t mean Norman will follow in his footsteps. He’s too slow to be a good man corner. He can’t keep up with the WRs. He’s better when he can sit back and react. It would be great if you’re right, I just don’t see it. I’ve seen Norman get burned in man. Sherm isn’t the fastest guy either but he uses that length really well.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 13, 2016 at 7:24 PM

          I’m not defending Barry BTW. Just the decesion to leave Norman on his side of the field. I like the idea of dropping 8 into coverage. But then they also beat us in the run. And would have just kept running against a 3 man front.

          We got outclassed man. It’s that simple. Our defense was not good enough to match up with them. Doesn’t matter what the scheme was. Our only hope was to score with them and win a shootout but our QB had a bad night. The only other way would have been 8 min drives running the ball that end with TDs and getting a couple turnovers. We almost had the turnovers, but can’t run. We will lose if Cousins has an off night. Our strength is the passing game. It really comes down to Cousins.

  6. sidepull - Sep 13, 2016 at 8:04 AM

    FG’s instead of TD’s
    What running game?
    Capitalize on turnovers…BTW what a lucky deflection for Pittsburgh.
    Cannot stop the run. Still getting gashed. Badly.
    Thanks for bringing Reyes in to bolster the D line.
    Djax looks good, was ready to play.
    Cuz looked rusty.
    Its only 1 game. Plenty of games left.
    Gruden and Barry better get em ready to play. Some of this loss is on the coaching. What part? game plan, preparation, motivation?

    • chimps000 - Sep 13, 2016 at 9:24 AM

      joe Barry coached the 0-16 Detroit Lions… the steelers have the best WR in the league , were missing their very good number 2 and missing Wheaton who used to be their number 3. Oh and the steelers missing their stud RB.

      Gee, what’s the game plan coach? How about we double cover/bracket Antonio brown every play, and force the backup WRs to beat us? If they beat us, fine, more power
      to them- but to let Antonio
      brown beat us is incredible.

  7. colorofmyskinz - Sep 13, 2016 at 8:09 AM

    Honestly, you missed some big ones. Number one stock down, Scot M for doing nothing with 3 freaking glaring holes we all knew about before the season even started, I discussed these as issue for Saturday and they were:
    – Defensive line is way worse than last year. We only have 6 guys an we basically blew through 4 of them by the third quarter where they were so gased we could only have 2 of our 6 defensive linemen on the field at a time. Our defensive line is in a major hemmoraging situation. I don’t care what baker wants. He is not a DE, he is a DT or NT period. He would never start as a DE anywhere but DC. Kedric is gased period and is not a worthy NT. If we are going to maximize the 6 D guys we havecwe need to put baker back in the middle of the line, and sit Kedric. That way we can get the other average guys on the field with baker. Our front DLine will never stop the run the way we are configured.
    – center with Kiry was a glaring hole last year that showed itself all preseason and continues to. We have to get long up and running. I think Kory had 2 penalties, and was pushed into Kirk how many times? How many missed blocks? His glory days have been over for at least 2 years we need an immediate change if we want to run the ball
    – our running back situation is dire. Jones can not run with his violent style with his shoulder like it is. Should have not started. And I question his ability even if healthy but he gets a pass until healthy and until we have a real center. Thompson is too freaking small to pick up blitz. Did you see that??? He is great at running and catching, but the critical role of a third down back is to be an ace at picking up blitz. He is not close. I honestly think Kelley us our best shot of only 3 guys. We have major issues here and this is not new information.

    Now the coach down. For heavens sake, do you have any run plays that don’t look like run plays to the defense? Running playbook is horrible, Gruden and McVay way down for always saying we need to run better and doing nothing to help.

    Bruton. My god. Denver staff knew way better than us. Inhencho should be starting over Bruton just like in Denver. Bruton was a way down for me.

    McVay for the play calling. Ok we are easily a pass first offense everyone knows it. If you are pass first you should be run second. We were pass first and pass second and pass third and run just to try. Horrible play calling and zero halftime adjustment on game plan again. They kept with it.

    Front office takes the blame for the routing in my opinion and there is not much we can do to fix this. Number 1 issue, DLine is way below average and we have zero depth with 6, number 2 center, number 3 RB. Too 3 issues reared its head big time. We need to look for another DLine guy, center, and RB if we are going to fix these holes. Maybe we need to start trading WRs to get them. We will not even come close to winning a playoff game with this personnel configuration.

    Is what it is. HTTR!

    • COSSkinsFan - Sep 13, 2016 at 9:24 AM

      Agree with your points. We all knew after last season that we needed to upgrade center, possibly left guard and dline. Literally nothing was done. I was never a fan of Joe Barry especially when we could’ve hired Wade Phillips. I was never a fan of Gruden either but winning last year, mostly because of offense changed that slightly. It seems like our coaching staff never makes any adjustments to their game plan, Gibbs used to excel at this. I really thought we would win last night. Now I hope Scott can swallow his pride and trade a wr or corner for an actual starting caliber center, dline man or possibly left guard. I also would make Baker play nthe at this point….CODE RED. This is not a one game over reaction. These issues were all there last year and nothing was done to address them. Our secondary is better but give any quarterback that kind of time and a run game averaging over 5 ypc and anybody will look like an all pro.

    • John - Sep 13, 2016 at 12:21 PM

      As I’ve said all along, this team is not Superbowl ready. Getting Norman is an upgrade at corner but he is not a man corner like a Revis. The defensive line regardless of who starts is a bunch of guys. They have no pass rush. I’d not be surprised to see them sign Cullen Jenkins, now that the money would not be garunteed to help the pass rush. Smith gets by with his length, leaning will wear out his ankles over time. He can succeed swimming, bull rushing and spinning. Moving Baker to nose is not an answer. He may have the girth but not the mentality. He sucked at nose and dreads playing the position. Golston is fine there if everyone else shows up. Unfortunately Barry does not have a whole lot to work with.

  8. nikoknight - Sep 13, 2016 at 8:15 AM

    Stock Down: Gruden and Joe Berry. I’m not sure if Berry has heard of the word adjustment, but all you have to do is look at the other side line to see what good coaching looks like. I get that Pitt is a high powered offense, and we may be lacking on talent on that side of the ball in certain areas, but give me a break. At some point within the 4 quarters, wrinkles need to be added. Big Ben, AB, and Tomlin are just too damn good. As far as Gruden, 12 running plays in a single game is UNACCEPTABLE no matter the situation. Pitt ran the same plays on D, but they did it because it worked. The offense had no answer.

    Stock Down: Kirk Cousins. I know it’s only one game and you’re not going to see me call for McCoy (I actually think Cousins is and can be a perfect fit for this offense). Now I don’t think Cousins has the talent to do it all by himself, and the lack of a run game didn’t help, but he continuously missed throws. Multiple times Gruden (John) called him out not recognizing a 3 man rush and allowing a play to develop. He never allowed for it, never stepped up in the pocket, never made plays with his legs when the opportunity was there. He needs to be much better (as well as everyone else)

    Stock Down: Matt Jones. I know he had some decent runs, but a serious question, have any of you guys ever seen a professional running back run completely straight up and down like he does? I just don’t see that being something that can be fixed any time soon. Kelley needs to see some playing time Sunday. I’ve been adamant about this, but I think he’s earned it.

    Stock Down: Breeland. Good God. I know AB is a tough task so I’m not going to harp too much on that. He actually got a hand on the ball on that TD and should have broken up the play, but sometimes it just doesn’t happen. I’m talking more so on the feeble attempt to tackle last night. I love the guy as much as any fan. But come on. His feelings are hurt this morning. Not too much more to delve in to here.

    Obviously these are complete overreactions to one game in a long season, and I will reserve judgement for another few weeks. Dallas is a monster game Sunday, and in all seriousness, is probably a must win. I’m not upset with a loss to Pitt, they will win 12 games and make a run to the Superbowl. It’s how this team lost. They lost how they lose every time to lights are the brightest, in embarrassing fashion with nothing to show for it. But this is why there are 16 games. It’s a long season. Hopefully some real adjustments can be made this week.

    • nikoknight - Sep 13, 2016 at 8:17 AM

      And to piggy back off of Joe Berry, but the guy has been the D coordinator for 17 regular season games, and 1 playoff game, and so far has showed nothing to say we need to keep this guy. I realize he’s playing with the cards he was dealt, and sometimes the talent is just not there, but if this D does not improve the slightest a change will have to be made this off season.

      • redskins12thman - Sep 13, 2016 at 8:25 AM

        I’m 100% sure Barry had his hand in decision to sign Reyes.

        • sidepull - Sep 13, 2016 at 8:34 AM

          Reyes. Why just why? Depth?

        • redskins12thman - Sep 13, 2016 at 9:36 AM

          Barry coached Reyes in San Diego. McCloughan would not have brought Reyes on if Barry did not endorse move.

    • Mr.moneylover - Sep 13, 2016 at 9:46 AM

      Im not mad that they lost either but it’s how they lost feel me ???? They have problems that cant be fixed unless they bring in new players …whats the excuse for Kendall Reyes not getting a sack since joining the redskins he had the most cleaned jersey walking off field last night …whats the excuse for Kendrick golston getting pushed back as our NT???? If ppl really pay attention Steelers was running up the middle all game long

      • Trey Gregory - Sep 13, 2016 at 12:34 PM

        Well the excuse for Reyes not getting a sack since joining the Redskins might be HES ONLY PLAYED IN ONE GAME AND DIDNT EVEN START.

  9. bullets2586 - Sep 13, 2016 at 8:17 AM

    Defensive line was non existent, penalties were killing us and no run game. @ of the 3 have to be fixed or we won’t even make the playoffs. Right now we would be lucky to crack .500

    • bullets2586 - Sep 13, 2016 at 8:18 AM

      2 of the 3*

      • bullets2586 - Sep 13, 2016 at 8:21 AM

        And what’s up with Gruden not going for it on 4th and 1 when the game was scoreless but then goes for it on 4th and 6 when behind. That was just so stupid.

        • chimps000 - Sep 13, 2016 at 9:27 AM

          yup- scared coaching and cousins played scared out there.

          Reminded me that the skins didn’t beat a single team with a winning record last year…

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 13, 2016 at 3:12 PM

          Should have gone for it. No question. That’s a trend with NFL coaches in general. Tomlin, Bellichick, and Carroll are the only coaches I can think of who have the balls to go on 4th even though it’s statistically the right thing to do. Especially when the other team has Ben and AB.

          But those coaches have job security and most of the others are too scared of getting fired. But it’s crazy because it’s actually the better call.

          But look at what happened to Carroll in the SB. He made the correct playcall and he got toasted for it because it didn’t work. If it works on 4th and 1 then they’re geniuses. If it fails then they’re idiots. We fans should give ourselves some of the blame for this safe coaching because we overreact to every perceived mistake.

  10. butche106 - Sep 13, 2016 at 8:22 AM

    When the coach is so stubborn that even his own brother “Chucky” could not explain why Breeland was on A. Brown last night, your destined to loose football games. Kerrigan had the fumble but elected to try and run it in for a TD instead of just falling and covering the ball up to complete the turnover. Multiple penalties means bad coaching. Gruden treats his team as if they have won a championship last year, they did not. These guys have been drinking the Over Confidence Kool-Aid being served by their Head Coach and assistant coaches. Instead of a 10 or 14 point lead in the 1st quarter, they had 2 lousy field goals. To top it off you got rid of “Pot Roast” who can at least clog up the middle with his big body, with a bunch of pretenders taking money for playing sorry. But we know that these Redskins under Gruden has never shown up on the national spotlight (Monday Night Games, Thursday Night Games). The whole NFL have seen the Redskins are headed for a 8-8 season at best. Out of the 53 players that started last night they have about 25 Football players and the rest are simply, SCRUBS. I’ve been a fan of the franchise since 1968 and I’ve seen far better preparation out of a Division III football team.

  11. skinsgame - Sep 13, 2016 at 8:23 AM

    Stock Down: Kirk Cousins. Definitely doesn’t show up for big games. Stock Down: D Hall is not proving my fear of him playing safety to be misplaced. Stock Down: Trent Williams. I’ve never seen him show up for a big game either. Stock Down: Jay Gruden. All of the penalties are on the coaches from now on.

    This team looks like it has massive holes along both sides of the line, Safety spots, RB, QB (if the game is extraordinary) and at coaching positions up and down the ranks. Sloppy, sorry, predictable game last night. Awful. Exactly what I expected.

    Stock Up: The Redskins. They didn’t play the Colon Kaeperdink card and they all stood for the symbol of the freedom that allows them to make silly money to play a game.
    Kudos to them!

  12. princewilks - Sep 13, 2016 at 8:28 AM


    I kinda disagree with your last name on the list, while i recognize that Preston Smith did not succeed in bringing down Big Ben (something that not every pass rusher can do) he at least applied some pressure and was almost there every other play applying pressure or hitting him. However, our highest paid edge rusher (Ryan Kerrigan) was invisible aside from one play, going mainly against a right tackle.

    • colorofmyskinz - Sep 13, 2016 at 8:41 AM

      Preston stays just as upright as jones. Preston needs to get flexible and get low. Must watch Ware, his body type, he does. Preston needs to get low at an angle around the edge. Lumbering in upright will do nothing.

      • sidepull - Sep 13, 2016 at 8:59 AM

        When healthy watching Gallete…that dude can bend..low. Hope he gets to play again.

    • chimps000 - Sep 13, 2016 at 11:08 AM

      I’ve been critical
      of Kerrigan, he looks like a slightly above average to average OLB who is definitely overpaid- but he did make a great play, and I don’t fault him for trying to pick up the football and score.

      Norman also made a great play, looked like the refs initially called
      it a catch and strip on the field then somehow reversed themselves and instant replay wouldn’t overturn it…

      • colorofmyskinz - Sep 13, 2016 at 11:38 PM

        Agreed Kerrigan gets too many props for average play. Bye gets very little edge pressure. Not an edge rusher like so many greats. He is consistent, but is paid way too much for his performance. Preston… Needs to spend an offseason with Demarcus Ware and Von and start yoga. Not going to cut it with the upright lumbering style. Not cutting it like that.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 13, 2016 at 11:57 PM

          Smith does need to get lower. That’s for sure. But he didnt have a terrible game. He put his hands on Ben a couple times. He’s still young an inexperienced. He would have sacked Brady or Palmer but you’re not getting Ben down going high like that. There was one, maybe two plays where Smith would have sacked just about every QB other than Ben and Cam.

          Him and Kerrigan got pressure. It wasn’t elite but it was there. These guys don’t go for the jugular on every play. It’s a chess match and they really only go for the kill shot a few times a game. They try to lull the tackle into a false sense of security by doing a mediocre speed rush over and over. That keeps contain and gets enough pressure where the QB doesn’t have more than 3 seconds, but it doesn’t get a sack. Then, on an important 3rd down or whenever they feel it’s time they’ll do a different move and go for it. You could see that on Kerrigan’s strip sack. He (off the top of my head I was to did a cross face but it may have been a conversion rush) and he went inside, did a swim and pushed the tackle back into Ben until he swatted the ball. That’s Ryan Kerrigan at his best. He had that tackle on skates. But it can’t happen like that on every play. You have to catch the tackle off guard.

          If Kerrigan did that once a game he would have 16 sacks and be in the elite conversation. So I’m not really sure how last night was a bad night for him. They kept targeting him in protection. They sent TEs his way all night to help and he still didn’t pretty good job. There were a handful of run plays where I would have liked to see him make a play even though he was blocked but I don’t remember any egregious mistakes.

          Smith will get better and take some of that attention from Kerrigan. But right now Smith seems to give up too easy when he’s blocked vs. the run. These guys are good OLBs. But we’re thin at the position and they have to play most snaps. They’re gassed toward the end and don’t get a lot of help from the interior. But they’re plenty good for this team to win. Smith and Kerrigan are not the problem.

  13. mac7163 - Sep 13, 2016 at 8:32 AM

    Kirk Cousins was left off of the list . STOCK DOWN

  14. colorofmyskinz - Sep 13, 2016 at 8:47 AM

    Is it possible Grudn does not want to put a good game plan in place to get Kirk cheaper?

    • Rich Tandler - Sep 13, 2016 at 9:03 AM

      I need to get that sizzling “hot take” emoji here. That comment would learn at least five of them.

      • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Sep 13, 2016 at 9:25 AM

        Haha, emojis would be awesome, Rich.

        But perhaps you’ll regret it after the first week or so?

    • Trey Gregory - Sep 13, 2016 at 12:37 PM

      Yeah, Gruden could sabatoge Cousins and then lose him in free agency too. Or Gruden could just get himself fired. Brilliant plan.

  15. smotion55 - Sep 13, 2016 at 8:49 AM

    Biggest down was Cousins, he started slow, bad decisions on both early drives and played scared and confused. He looks like he is playing not to get hurt. Had chances to extend plays and run early and later on and did not. His throwing motion looked off the whole 1st half. Both of interceptions looked like terrible decisions to me .

    The 1st TD that Brown caught should have been a knocked down pass instead of trying to catch the ball in the end zone. Breeland was there all night and thought they could have switched up with Norman covering him more. and the interview after the game showed he is a competitor . He will be fine. Lousy tackling by the whole team.

    The D-Line was our biggest need in the off season and they did very little to make it better. Cooley said this morning that the 2 worst D-Linemen in the whole entire 32 team league are starting for the Redskins. DO SOMETHING NOW

    GM droped the ball on this.

    They stoped running the ball and went 4 wide to much and Rob Kelly should have played a few series early. He is a good blocker and runs downhill. They never gave him a chance. Lichtensteiger got pushed around like a rag doll and that is the other need they did not address in the off season.. Play Long or Reiter or get somebody NOW.

    GM droped the ball on this too.

    Bottom line, Lousy game plan both sides of the ball and they were out classed and played all night..

    • colorofmyskinz - Sep 13, 2016 at 8:57 AM

      Exactly. I called these hole Saturday and bam, they exposed themselves.

    • chimps000 - Sep 13, 2016 at 9:34 AM

      well said.

      And can we stop hearing how “talented” matt jones is? A 30 plus year old backup RB in deangelo williams was clearly the better player last nite. Jones doesn’t run with power, he makes constant mental errors, and to my eye he is not especially fast.

      They went to chris Thompson late, obviously the coaches got frustrated with jones- I’m with you, give rob Kelly a chance.

  16. chimps000 - Sep 13, 2016 at 9:02 AM

    Skins have a good offense, bad defense… to win games they will need to score a lot of
    points, and especially against one of the better offenses in the league.

    First half, Gruden 4th and 1 from steelers 40 and he punts- you need points gruden, your defense is not good- if the punt goes in the end zone you gained a whopping 20 yards.

    Very few shots down the field, lots of scared play from cousins, 3rd downs no pressure he throws the checkdown well short of the first down marker… again and again.

    3rd and long, 3 man rush, no pressure plenty of time he gets scared and throws the ball 10 yards out of bounds, they kick a meaningless FG, game over.

    They coached scared and cousins played scared.

  17. Mr.moneylover - Sep 13, 2016 at 9:04 AM

    Stock Down – the whole coaching staff….they bench Anthony lanier for kendall reyes who jersey was just as clean as jay gruden jacket last night…the only guys who got pressure was Chris Baker and ziggy Hood everybody else should be on the line of getting cut…are we really surprised kirk cousins struggled last night last time he was on the field in the bills game he struggled until bills put in some third string player…jay gruden is blowing his own players development by not playing them in pre-season our players in pre-season mode still you can tell ….the players looked like they couldnt handle the physicality and thats the lack of not going hard in practice and not playing pre-season….the run game wont be fixed until they get a true NT bottom line…Kendrick Golston and Kendall Reyes gotta go ASAP

    • sidepull - Sep 13, 2016 at 9:14 AM

      Spaight. Run stuffer. Was he absent? Guess they felt stuffing the run was not needed.

      • Mr.moneylover - Sep 13, 2016 at 9:35 AM

        Yea hes another guy who I thought should’ve played more…jay gruden not rewarding players who actually played well in the Pre-season they bench Kendall fuller who played the bills and Tampa bay game very well Robert kelly had a excellent pre-season and he dont deserve not 1 snap with the offense ???? Jay gruden and his decision making is still bad and the lack of adjustments on the offense gonna hurt us this year…I thought by the end of bills game the coaching staff wouldve seen and recognize that kirk cousins gotta get back to the basic…he didnt see the field very well and refused to use his feet to run when the steelers gave him lanes to run

      • sidepull - Sep 13, 2016 at 10:17 AM

        Ha ha they are talking on 980….Cullen Jenkins, Greg Hardy, do what they have to do…..panic button is getting smashed already.

  18. Eli - Sep 13, 2016 at 9:12 AM

    The Steelers are an outstanding team and a potential Super Bowl champ this season, but the Skins were completely unprepared for the season opener.

    Heading in the right direction or not, this team has mediocre talent overall and mediocre coaching.

  19. redskins12thman - Sep 13, 2016 at 9:43 AM

    Doc Walker said something like: if Redskins offense “can’t score touchdowns, you might as well stick forks in your eyes.”

    • sidepull - Sep 13, 2016 at 10:13 AM

      Yea I kept hearing junk like how are opposing defenses going to cover all of our receiving threats? I read this junk over and over all off season. I started believing the hype. Doc is right. That is an impressive fleet of pass catchers and a well prepared Pitt D pretty much extinguished that fleet of fancy pass catchers. I think they will adjust. They have to. I mean did Cuz even get sacked once last night? Still Blitzburg changed tactics and look, big deal with all that talk about how all the receiving threats are impossible to deal with.

      • Trey Gregory - Sep 13, 2016 at 3:15 PM

        Any team can cover any great receiving corps (unless maybe they have AB ;) ) if they can drop 8 into coverage because you don’t run the ball. That’s what happens when you don’t run. Hope it’s clear to everyone now.

  20. Dcwun - Sep 13, 2016 at 9:45 AM

    Why didn’t Cousins make the down list. He looked terrified and confused. He should’ve led off the DOWN list…..

    • Eli - Sep 13, 2016 at 10:15 AM

      Agreed. You can’t repeatedly settle for field goals with early opportunities against a team that regularly scores 30+ points a game against good teams. Cousins was unimpressive.

      The pick he threw in the third quarter was awful. And, not that it really matters, but on the 4th and 10 with approximately 6 minutes remaining in the 4th quarter and down 15, what the hell was he thinking by running?
      There was no way he could make a first down by running. An incomplete pass or even an interception has no downside at that point, unless your primary concern is making your stats appear better (just one Interception). With the way flags are now thrown seemingly constantly perhaps you get a PI or illegal contact call. Or perhaps one of your receivers makes a play. Just a very dumb play by
      Cousins, not unlike the really dumb play he made in the red zone before halftime of the December Eagles game in which the Skins won the division.

  21. Sam - Sep 13, 2016 at 10:29 AM

    Why didn’t Cousins make your stock down list? He sure made the Redskins decision to wait and see with the franchise player move look good!

  22. renhoekk2 - Sep 13, 2016 at 10:47 AM

    To think they could have been up 21-0 in the first quarter. They drove down into PBGH territory twice and had to settle for two FG’s. Then Kerrigan fumbles away that fumble recovery. 6-0 instead of 21-0 is the difference between contenders and pretenders.

  23. Chris - Sep 13, 2016 at 10:48 AM

    Agree but you missed two of the three biggest downs: Gruden and a Cousins. Gruden has a pretty good group of footvall players, and he couldn’t even (once again) get them motivated and focused for a huge, opening game on Monday night? Pathetic for a coach. Cousins: I’m one of the few, big Cousins fans. I think he has great potential. But he sucked last night. No excuse for his performance.

  24. kenlinkins - Sep 13, 2016 at 11:10 AM

    I am still not buying all the gloom and doom. The Steelers could be the best team in the AFC and the Redskins should have had a 21-0 lead early in the game. Was the result disappointing, YES, but it was due more of the Steelers forcing the Redskins to play to their weakness after just missing making plays early. The Redskins got a INT and should have got a fumble before the Steelers scored their first points. The Redskins got it back to a one TD game with over 12 min to play, but by then they were out of gas. We all knew that the Redskins were not going to be able from behind against better teams with the weak D-Line and pass rush. The game plan was to build a early lead and force other teams to do what the Steelers did to the Redskins, which is to force a team to play mistake free offense on long drives and make them score TD’s from the red zone. This team still lacks play makers when it counts but they are getting closer and I still like some of the things I saw late night. What I didn’t like was the way they fell apart when the Steelers used that “Boys Club” 8 man cover zone. Coach Gruden should be a shame of himself for not being able to move the chains against that defense as it is nothing more than a time waster. Coach Gruden is now 0-3 in season openers, maybe we should have see this coming.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 13, 2016 at 11:35 AM

      Jusr like against Green Bay, it’s not about how you start the game but how you end it. If the Redskins were anywhere close to a contender then they’d had that 21 point lead. Instead they prove they are still closer to pretenders than contenders right now.

    • ET - Sep 13, 2016 at 1:08 PM

      Ken, I’m mostly in agreement. We saw a few good things last night, but many more weak spots and/or works-in-progress. The game planning on the other side of the field was simply better as well. Many of the top-tier teams have positional weaknesses, just as the Skins do (has any team won as consistently as the Seahawks with such a terrible offensive line?). But those teams find a way to game plan to their strengths, as the Steelers did last night. Even with some fairly obvious weak spots I remain confident that this team is growing in talent and depth. Planning and execution must be up to par as well.

      • kenlinkins - Sep 13, 2016 at 6:14 PM

        No one I know has the Redskins going to the Super Bowl this year and many have the Redskins as a middle of the pack type team that could make the play offs with some luck (without luck maybe 7-9). But everyone I know thinks the Redskins are much better today then 2014. I like the way the GM is working the roster and contracts even if he has made a few mistakes at D-Line two years in a row. The Team execution was just bad last night and the mark of a team that requires a kick in the butt, so many mistakes I would just tell the whole team here come the boot!

  25. redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 13, 2016 at 11:31 AM

    A 3-4 defense line with no true nose tackle wears down in the second half. This is what good teams will do. They’ll exploit the glaring weakness and make you pay. This was a team without its starting RB using a plus 30 year old who appeared to have one of his best career games. Many here literally cheered on the choice to not commiting to a NT since what was it? A secondary position of importance, or an out dated position that any DE cans fill?

    I know it’s one game but while many scream about Breeland getting beat by maybe the best WR in the NFL not named AJ Grren; it was the collapsed of the run defense that sealed this game.

    • Trey Gregory - Sep 13, 2016 at 3:23 PM

      Well I definitely agree about Breeland. AB was going to get his no matter what in that game. I have yet to see a team truly shut him down. We needed to game plan around that production.

      I’m still catching up rewatching the whole game. But so far I’ve seen a lot of those hybrid 4 man fronts we were talking about even on first down. Also saw Hood and Baker drawing double teams pretty frequently. We have to get more interior pressure that’s very clear and I’m not even to halftime yet (I watched the whole game but I was at work and could only half pay attention so I’m going back over it slowly). Again, I would love a big DT in the middle of our defense. But I’m not so sure how much a nose would have helped if the DEs and OLBs can’t get pressure. I’m assuming the NT would take a double team and not get much penetration. And that’s great, but Baker and Hood accomplished that much and the rest of the guys didn’t get home.

  26. Manny Whiteaker - Sep 13, 2016 at 11:35 AM

    Let’s not panic yet. Very very disappointing, but we got ways to go. Steelers looked like the real deal

  27. Rich Tandler - Sep 13, 2016 at 11:56 AM

    Anyone wondering why Cousins isn’t on this list, I did another post on him. Take a look here:

    • redskins12thman - Sep 13, 2016 at 12:57 PM

      Yeah, either all of us or most of us have a huge down arrow on Kirk’s play last night.

  28. redskins12thman - Sep 13, 2016 at 3:41 PM

    Doc Walker confirmed what I suspected: Redskins, with miscues and poor decisions last night, weren’t mentally sharp / ready for the Steelers; with 150 days to prepare for this game, that’s damning. I’m not primarily upset that the Redskins lost; it’s how ugly they played and how “out of it” the team was.

    DHall either has to get the right instructions from the coaches, or if these were given, a vet like him can’t get that wrong, new position or not. No way Long should be late for extra point — either player not paying attention or coach got it wrong; either way, unacceptable; etc. Archives

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