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Last week, Joe Barry talked about why the Redskins weren’t going to match Norman on Brown

Sep 13, 2016, 11:49 AM EDT

  1. Lex - Sep 13, 2016 at 12:00 PM

    Joe Barry has never been a successful coordinator in the nfl so his opinion is good as mine. There were issues on both sides of the ball, but he made no in game adjustments. Is this the same philosophy he used in Detroit when they went 0-16? Please release him now unless were trying to get the first pick of the draft! Compton needs to audible every call he makes!

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  2. Dave - Sep 13, 2016 at 12:01 PM

    That’s the dumbest excuse ever. The result was it cost us any chance to win the game. If he believes that he did the right thing fire him today!!!!!!!!

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  3. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Sep 13, 2016 at 12:17 PM

    I understand it. We’re a cover-3 D, and we brought Norman here because he excelled in Carolina’s Cover 3.

    But we should have been better able to help Breeland with a safety over their most dangerous threat, and we couldn’t get it done.

    Frankly, I look back at the history of our 3-4 and think this:

    We went into it because it was the cool thing to do. We didn’t have the personnel to run it though, and even had to drop one of our decent linemen because he didn’t fit.

    And we still don’t have the personnel to run it now, apparently. 2011 and counting…

    http://dc.sbnation.com/washington-redskins/2011/1/25/1954148/green-bay-packers-super-bowl-redskins-3-4-defense
    ~

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  4. nikoknight - Sep 13, 2016 at 12:20 PM

    Thanks for the explanation, Joe! See there’s nothing wrong with having a philosophy you want to implement before the game. The problem is, if that philosophy is failing miserably, it needs to be changed. So you didn’t want Norman to shadow AB due to the difficulty it was going to cause the rest of your secondary…but you were perfectly fine with AB abusing Breeland, and quite honestly embarrassing him, for 60 minutes of football? In fact, the only person on that defense to make any positive plays on AB was Norman. I stated it on Rich’s post for last nights up and downs….Barry has coached this defense for 17 regular season games, and 1 post season game. I get the talent is not top notch, but this defense has not improved a bit over the course of those 18 games. His track record speaks for itself. The guy has not been successful in this league as a D coordinator and it’s continuing right here. I’m not one to call for drastic change or over react after one game, but there is zero reason to believe this guy can make adjustments and be a serviceable coordinator. I would not be shocked if this guy is gone at the end of the year (hopefully earlier if this trend continues).

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  5. John - Sep 13, 2016 at 12:37 PM

    Sorry but Ritchie Petitbons are few and far between. Norman is not a man corner. AB would have lit him up. At least Breeland can play man but he is not Revis. Corners will get beat. Its how they bounce back. AB is the best receiver in the league at present and we knew he was going to be a challenge. A pass rush would have helped. Oh wait a minute, we don’t have a pass rush, as usual. To many eggs in the Galette basket.

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  6. redskins12thman - Sep 13, 2016 at 12:45 PM

    If Norman isn’t going to cover Brown all the time, shouldn’t Breeland be getting help from Hall on every single situation where Breeland is covering Brown?

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    • chimps000 - Sep 13, 2016 at 12:58 PM

      that’s the issue- there simply wasn’t enough help on AB- and at
      times the safeties were clearly supposed to help and they were late and out of position- it’s like they didn’t understand or get that he steelers have a great number 1 WR and a bunch of backup WRs, gee maybe shade your play towards the best wr in the game- that’s a talent issue and perhaps a coaching issue, on top of the poor scheme.

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      • redskins12thman - Sep 13, 2016 at 2:59 PM

        It’s strange that this isn’t self-evident, especially with Bell, Bryant, Wheaton and Green ALL out; you have to make someone else beat you besides Brown and Williams. It’s embarrassing.

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        • chimps000 - Sep 13, 2016 at 6:59 PM

          that’s why I think the loss was terrible- joe Barry’s coaching was atrocious.

          Just listened to Cooley and Kevin podcast- Cooley says exactly what I said- your game plan should have been get Norman on brown with help- don’t let brown beat you- and if you can’t get any pressure on the QB, chAnge it up by either blitzing (my idea) or even cooleys idea was just drop 8 into coverage, and you can disguise the DE who you drop- because the skins got no pressure on the QB.

          Joe Barry had a terrible, terrible game plan, and then when his plan did not work, he had no adjustments to make. Inexcusable coaching.

        • dafoota - Sep 13, 2016 at 7:07 PM

          @chimps000

          I totally agree with you. Though my opinion doesnt matter since i have no football credentials.

          My beef is exactly what you said but for the offense. “[Gruden always has] … A terrible, terrible game plan, and then when his plan doesnt work, he had no adjustments to make. Inexcusable coaching.”

          What do you rely on when the passing game get foiled?

        • chimps000 - Sep 13, 2016 at 8:31 PM

          to dafoot- thats a good question- if your QB is playing poorly, playing scared, what adjustments can you make? How can you settle him down? Screens? Better run game? He looked confused and not prepared for the coverages he was facing.

          The running game was not good per usual- I would like to see someone else in there, rob kelly, pierre thomas, anybody…to try and create a spark. Do something different. If matt jones cant get it done, try someone else.

          But I think we all know that if the QB plays that poorly, as much as I bitch about the defensive coaching, the skins dont have the talent to overcome that, and cousins looked bad. We have seen him play much better, and I expect him to bounce back next week, altho the steelers have given the game plan blueprint for all the teams against cousins…

          play soft zone, he dumps short routinely, 3rd and long he perhaps lacks confidence to thread the needle and dumps it short.

        • dafoota - Sep 13, 2016 at 8:48 PM

          That is why it pains me when we dont run the ball. I loved mike shannahan…rgiii and kyle got on my nerves.

          But mike knew how to run. Gruden comes in and morris declines. Now our rb cannot spark anything.

          What im bout to say may make me look stupid but im not convinced any rb can come in and help (even adp).

          Because im not impressed by the run blocking or the run calling.

          If we arent going to run than we need to drop chris thompson and the rest, pick up fb or te and use them to block.

  7. sidepull - Sep 13, 2016 at 12:53 PM

    Too funny. 2011 article. The suggestion was to take a look at Cullen Jenkins. Years later they bring him in.
    The Redskins no real NT ever. I hear arguments that they dont need a wreaking ball type player plugging up the middle and getting push. GB had Raji. What I would have liked is to see a Vince Wilfork type guy in a Redskin uniform, but Redskins….never had anybody that good. So many reasons. Understood. But look at this junk. This is not the answer. Deangelo Williams who kills you on the outside now eviscerates the Redskins right up the gut. I just think there are good players here on D but when do guys like Spaight get a chance? Clearly they needed help stuffing the run. They are going to need it when Dallas comes

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  8. dafoota - Sep 13, 2016 at 12:56 PM

    Am i the only one concerned more for how gruden had severe tunnel vision. We all know he loves to throw, but 12 run attempts in a game. On top of that when we threw you knew it was a throw because we had no backfield. I watched the whole game and thought back, “I don’t remember seeing screens, draws, playactions, deep shots, wildcat, end arounds.” 5wr sets for the game.

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    • dafoota - Sep 13, 2016 at 12:59 PM

      The lack of running scheme is destroying this team and it is deflecting on the RBs as if they are the problem. I believe that Gruden, being a QB, doesn’t know how valuable running the ball is and how of to develop proper run blocking plays.

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      • Lex - Sep 14, 2016 at 11:01 AM

        No Joe Barry is the problem. Despite throwing 2 picks and not running well 16 points is enough to win a game. Better yet, 16 points is enogh to win a Super Bowl ( ask Monte Kiffin)! The Bucs won games all season playing D! Joe Barry is a proven failure! We got rid of Amerson and Rambo when we should have fired Barry for using them wrong, just like he used Norman, Breeland and the other 10 ppl on D. As long as he is the D coordinator we will fail!!!

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    • Rich Tandler - Sep 13, 2016 at 1:06 PM

      Steelers ran plenty of 5 WR sets, too. Point is for the QB to get rid of the ball quickly. Either your receiver makes a play and gets some extra yards or you have a 4-yard gain that’s as good as a run. Also if you spread the RB out wide you might catch the D in bad personnel.

      Just because the D knows you’re going to pass (unless you QB draw) doesn’t mean you can’t accompllish what you want to on the play.

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    • fwhalstead1 - Sep 13, 2016 at 1:08 PM

      Pierre Thomas had no problem running last year! Jones is a BUST….he can’t get to the holes quick enough and he runs way too upright! Don’t be surprised if Mack Brown takes his job!

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  9. dafoota - Sep 13, 2016 at 1:16 PM

    Look im still hurt from last night so please don’t assume this is towards you…

    Passing the ball is not as good as the run.

    3 things can happen on a pass…complete, incomplete, interception. Double the danger than the run.

    besides how do you set up playaction? screens? hb slip blocks to catch?

    Why even have rbs than…pick FB or TE…might as well pick up more Guards and put them at RB for blocking…

    Somethings wrong with the game plan and even worse the fact that gruden could not or chose not to adapt.

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    • dafoota - Sep 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM

      For real Mr. Tandler. You know i say that i appreciate the work you put in. Thank you and again this isn’t towards you just frustrated with gruden. Ever since he came in i have been frustrated, because I value the run and he over values the pass.

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  10. blazerguy234 - Sep 13, 2016 at 1:22 PM

    After last year`s defensive disaster, and it does not look fixed in order to stop the run..at least let the guy you are paying 75 million to…cover the best W.O. in football. How could it have disrupted the miserable defense any more than what happened. Because of last year`s poor defense against the run..coupled with last night`s demonstration of NOT stopping the run…Joe B. should be on the hot seat..now. Not putting your best corner on the best W.O. in football..is just dumb. It should not be complicated…especially when BB showed he could not cover AB.

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  11. bullets2586 - Sep 14, 2016 at 7:25 AM

    I’m venting because still angry how the team played, but also being serious. We keep hearing about the players now being held accountable and how they need to prove they need to be on the roster. So when are we going to do the same for Joe Barry. I have zero confidence in him. And Gruden has me scratching my head with some of his decision on this first game as well.

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  12. greed - Sep 14, 2016 at 10:40 AM

    the solution was simple and barry ignored it, when brown lined up on breeland give him over the top help ! Im not a D CORDINATOR But i did stay at the holiday inn ! Also z hood k ghoulston career backups were awful steelers played on ourside of line of scrimmage the whole game, that a problem you cant fix without replacing players , potroast wasnt a sack demon but he did push the pocket occupied blocks to free backers

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  13. burgundyandgold4life - Sep 14, 2016 at 3:43 PM

    So here are some questions for anyone who may know: How did Carolina deploy Norman most of the time? During the game I heard Gruden say that he played the same one side in Carolina’s defense. If that’s so then did their opponents avoid him the same way by sending their No. 1’s against the other side’s corner?

    I’m not trying to say we can play the same schemes as Carolina since we obviously don’t have the same talent level (overall, and especially front seven) but maybe there is something to learn from his past with Carolina.
    Such as maybe they were expecting (baiting) teams to go away from Norman, which would explain Kurt Coleman’s 7 INT’s during the season and 2 more in the playoffs.

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