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Can the Redskins win if Brown has a big game?

Sep 12, 2016, 12:34 PM EDT

Here’s my quick take from Facebook on the Redskins’ chances of winning of Antonio Brown goes off on the Redskins:

  1. metalman5150 - Sep 12, 2016 at 1:20 PM

    Certainly the skins can win even if brown has 2tds 9rec and 100+yds.

    Anything is possible lol.

    It will either be a long night or an extremely short one, depending upon how this game unfolds.

    • Trey Gregory - Sep 12, 2016 at 2:16 PM

      How the secondary handles AB could have a lot to do with it being a long night or not. I really like Norman but he is not a man coverage guy. He’s actually pretty bad at it in my opinion. But he’s an elite zone corner. I hope and pray they don’t put Norman in man vs AB a single time this game. We will get burnt and people won’t ever shut up about how Norman is overrated.

      Breeland is our man cover guy. He’s good in zone too but if anyone gets matched up 1-on-1 in man vs. AB it should be Breeland. Granted, I would hope nobody is matched up 1-on-1. Hall should always be lurking over the top. But Breeland is the guy if that does need to happen.

      I hope we run our zone and trust it to work. They have some wrinkles and tricks they use and of course I want them to change some looks. But there’s a lot of different zones we can run and we have an elite zone corner with another who appears to be headed in that direction. They say Norman won’t travel with AB and our DBs will just stay put. I like that plan and it will give Barry a chance to run some man if he wants when AB goes to Breeland’s side.

      • Trey Gregory - Sep 13, 2016 at 2:12 AM

        And Antonio Brown best Breeland in 1-on-1 man coverage. Shocker.

  2. sidepull - Sep 12, 2016 at 1:22 PM

    Heck yea. Djax can cancel him out. Tit for tat. Kick the shi* outta Pitt… sburg

    • Trey Gregory - Sep 12, 2016 at 2:08 PM

      DJax is a very dynamic threat but his production has never been like Antonio Brown’s. That’s not me saying we can’t win if Brown has a big game, just that DJax does not cancel his out. He usually gets 3-4 receptions a game and often with no TDs. Look at AB’s numbers, DJax’s aren’t even comparable.

      Reed would have been the guy I would go with if I had to pick one player to cancel out AB (besides Josh Norman). But even then, not the same production. I will say I believe our entire receiving/TE corps can bury the entire Steelers’ receiving corps productioN. Just Reed and DJax combined should be able to match or better AB. Then there’s Garcon, Crowder, Davis, Paul, Chris Thompson, and maybe Doctson to beat their guys like Sammy Coats and Eli Rogers.

      So yes, I believe we can win even if Antonio Brown has a big game. What scares me is if Brown and Williams both have big games. Because I don’t believe we can keep up in the run unless Kelley is even better than I expect. Also pass rush. We have to at least match their pass rush and hopefully get more turnovers. I honestly believe this game might come down to who gets more pressure on the opponents QB.

      • bangkokben - Sep 12, 2016 at 5:42 PM

        Oh Trey,

        You’re looking at the past not the present. If the 3rd preseason game is any indication, Jackson will have a ton of targets. He can easily turn a five yard screen into 70 yards and catch another 40-yarder on a deep ball. I’m not saying it has happened regularly in the past. Just acknowledging that it’s a distinct possibility. Kind of on par with “Jones could rush for 100 yards” except Jackson catching 6 balls for 150 yards and a TD is more likely by a hair.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 13, 2016 at 2:10 AM

          As in, I’m looking at his actual history and not projecting what I think he can maybe do? Yes, that’s exactly what I’m doing. Desean has never, ever in his career had production like Antonio Brown’s over the past couple years. But not many receivers have. That’s not an insult to Desean. AB is the clear best WR in the NFL right now and not many guys even come close. Desean is what is is at this point. If he’s not past his prime, he’s already well into it. I’m not trying to disrespect Desean, I’m trying to give AB the respect he’s earned.

          Tonight was a great example of the differences in a speedy deep threat and a truly great WR. Desean made a couple splashy plays, and got no TDs. AB carried the Steelers’ offense, got 126 yards, and two touchdowns. The Desean vs. AB matchup wasn’t even close.

        • bangkokben - Sep 13, 2016 at 3:24 PM

          No, historically and last night it has been clear that AB is super special. NO ONE has ever had the two/three years that AB has. Which is looking very likely like four years. He does it from all over the field but especially on the outside specifically forcing the opposition to game plan their attack. Although when comparing the two receivers, the lion’s share of success should go directly to AB, there SHOULD NOT be confusion when noticing the stark differences in who is throwing the ball. Merely suggesting that Jackson is a deep threat IS indeed insulting his abilities. I’m not saying Jackson would have the same results that Brown has by having a HOF QB throwing him the ball but acknowledging that his results would be better then they have been historically. So when I foresee the potential perhaps possibilities perhaps I should be more specific — best case scenario as opposed to possible.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 13, 2016 at 3:54 PM

          Ben makes a huge difference and that should be acknowledged more. He threw some perfect passes to AB into tight coverage. AB wouldn’t have the opportunity to be so productive without a QB like that. He would still be amazing, just not as productive.

          That should also be kept in mind when looking at the other receivers on that roster. Coats and Rogers looked pretty good thanks to some great passes thrown their way.

          I didn’t mean to insult DJax. He’s a very good receiver who should have a lot of good games for us this year. I thought he looked great last night. I just don’t see another WR in the NFL quite like AB is all I meant to say. But I came away from that game quite optimistic about what Cousins and Jackson might accomplish this year.

        • bangkokben - Sep 13, 2016 at 4:10 PM

          Big Ben is the real deal. I have always felt that because of his oak-like stature that his passing gets overlooked. As for speed receivers it’s:


          And way down here Ross.

          When Jackson gets labeled a deep threat, it APPEARS he’s getting lumped in with guys like Aldrick Robinson, Anthony Armstrong, and Rashad Ross. Those guys can’t beat press coverage while Jackson and Brown dare you to press them. Teams don’t often because they know they can beat you in a variety of ways. Still Brown is the best position player in the league and Jackson isn’t a consensus #1 — perhaps because he’s played with a multitude of QBs.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 13, 2016 at 5:44 PM

          Don’t forget about Mike Wallace.

          I’ve been debating with myself for a while now if Ben isn’t the best QB in the league. The injuries have hurt his perception. But man, he’s tough as any QB to every play, has the height, accuracy, poise, and intelligence.

  3. metalman5150 - Sep 12, 2016 at 2:49 PM

    RG3 has been placed on IR.

    Not even a full game into the season..

    not a surprise for many, here, it was always a point of contention, whether or not robert would make it through the preseason, for us.

  4. COSSkinsFan - Sep 12, 2016 at 3:44 PM

    Maybe I take things to literally, but it’s not just about one player. If AB has 200 yards and BB throws 5 picks then I like our chances. Also a lot of times when recievers put up big numbers their team is playing from behind. In a game without turnovers if AB gets around 100 and 1 td, I think we’ve been successful and will win. With so many pieces of their offense missing I’m thinking he needs ato least 150 yd 2 td performance from him for them to win and I really don’t see that happening. I would be surprised if we don’t score at least 24 points and don’t think the Steelers can keep up.

    • bangkokben - Sep 12, 2016 at 5:44 PM

      I think taking it literal was kind of what Rich was asking for.

      I like Pittsburgh’s chances if we only score 24. I figure the losing team will score 24 which probably means this will be a 13-7 slug fest.

  5. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Sep 12, 2016 at 8:45 PM

    Lots of missed plays and bad bounces so far. Dangnabbit.

    • Trey Gregory - Sep 12, 2016 at 8:48 PM

      Really wish Kerrigan would have just fell on that ball.

    • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Sep 12, 2016 at 8:49 PM

      And the run D is starting to look gassed.

  6. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Sep 12, 2016 at 9:04 PM

    Damn, Hard to believe Roethlisberger made that play.

  7. COSSkinsFan - Sep 12, 2016 at 9:32 PM

    So now that it’s 16-24, I change my answer. We got the momentum, but we need to stop AB now.

  8. lezziemcdykerson - Sep 12, 2016 at 9:50 PM

    Yeahhh so we still team “pay Cousins now” or are we starting to see the logic in team Prove it? I am currently playing a drinking game called gulp your beer from the time the penalty is announced til the following snap.

    • snyderisanidiot - Sep 12, 2016 at 10:05 PM

      They definitely made the right call not paying Cousins. His price tag is going down by every snap.
      Lets face it, he will turn out to be a mid range guy and that’s about what we thought he was. He is not going to be a top 10 or top 5 guys this year. Nor will he break Redskins franchise records again.

      • lezziemcdykerson - Sep 13, 2016 at 1:16 AM

        ok that was a bit extreme. lol… I’m just saying this is why we wait. He’s gotta help out D out and sustain a drive. An entire offseason as starter continuity in the system going up against a banged up Steelers D I was expecting more. #BeatDallas

      • Trey Gregory - Sep 13, 2016 at 2:03 AM

        Let’s not completely over react after one game. I mean, too late in your case, but let’s not continue to completely over react. People were saying Cousins sucked and we would have a top rushing attack after week 1 last year. How did both of those things turn out? Teams have bad games from time to time and some of you fooled yourselves into thinking the Steelers wouldn’t be an offensive juggernaut. The Chiefs went what? 0-5 or 0-6 last year then won 10 or 11 straight? One game doesn’t make an entire season. Let’s revisit “the sky is falling” conversation after at least six games. But eight would be more like it.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Sep 13, 2016 at 1:14 PM

          I’m sorry Trey, I must’ve missed the part of last night’s game where te Redskins D morphed into the Chiefs D. I feel much better about our first place schedule (albeit 2 games) but if we show up like we did last night, the AFC North is going to run the table on us. We knew the run game was crap! We returned the same exact personnel… well minus Alfred cause he didn’t have anything left in the tank. I’ve been saying wait and see. So far I’m not eating my words. This isn’t like it’s just the first game and we lost. Sure if you want to don those rose colored specs I guess you could see it that way.This was us looking completely over matched in every phase of the game. We should’ve went into a no huddle as soon as we saw the run game wasn’t going to work. The come back and try it after 5-6 plays and that same D grouping is on the field with their hands on their hips. There’s plenty of blame to go around but let’s not allow your man crush on Kirk’s teely blue eyes displace his portion. He f**ked up the churches money. Even though the second int wasn’t a pick.. hoowwwww does that happen? In the red zone! During garbage time! Really? Don’t get me wrong the panic button is still in the glass case, he could improve and take off next Sunday but, this is why you wait and see. I’m not saying don’t give him the money, I’m saying don’t give him the money until he shows you what he can do. This wasn’t a loss this was a beat down, Kirk couldn’t even go to Shake Shack after this. You’re BANKING on him to turn it around but what he’s shown you is that he’s not ready yet. His biggest knock was he couldn’t beat a wining team. This was a winnable game against a banged up Steelers D missing two of their offensive weapons, well three if you count Wheaton. Our D can’t stop anybody if they’re gonna be out there all day. Dallas is winnable too, we better win. They have no one on D and Dez has been clamped before. I’d like to see Cravens get some more PT though. He could’ve helped out in our run D last night.

        • Trey Gregory - Sep 13, 2016 at 2:38 PM

          Buddy, please do me a favor and if you’re going to attack something I said at least make it something I actually said. I wasn’t even talking to you in that post, because I didn’t see you as having a complete overreaction. I understood the frustration last night. But saying the entire season is over and every negative thing you’ve ever said has now come true based off a single game is an absurd overreaction.

          I never said our defense is comparable to the Chiefs. I just gave an example of a team who got off to a really bad start then put it all together. That does happen. Teams do just have bad nights. Players do just have bad nights. Coaches do just have bad nights. Then they also come around and do much better later.

          The only thing we really learned last night is that Washington truly wasn’t ready to play. Maybe that’s because they took it too easy in preseason/camp. Maybe that’s because they read too much of their own hype. Or maybe Redskins fans grossly underestimated what arguably the best QB in football could accomplish throwing to the undisputed best WR in football while having a potent run game. In the “I’ve been saying all offseason” category: I’ve been saying we are not yet ready to compete with true contenders. It takes more that 2 offseasons to get there. Pittsburg, even without all those guys, is a legit SB contender. Just like NE and Carolina last year when we got waxed there too. Doesn’t mean we will melt down against lesser competition. If you expected the Redskins to compete with the Pittsburgs, Arizonas and Minnessotas of the world, then welcome back to reality. No rose colored glasses here. I just don’t buy tickets for the extreme emotional roller coaster people ride after wins and losses. Let us win next week and watch the SB predictions start coming out. It’s absurd.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Sep 13, 2016 at 3:31 PM

          I’m not attacking you and I can follow the format of the comments, I know who you were talking to. The Chiefs analogy sounded like classic Redskins over-optimism. Our D is NOT bailing us out of any games anytime soon like the Chiefs. The best thing you can compare us to is last years team which is what we are anyway. Our pass rush is on vacay. Our rush D hasn’t been seen in 2 years. So in the subcategory of “I’ve been saying this all offseason,” let’s call it the “How the hell does that make sense?” subsection, why would you invest in a QB that hasn’t shown he can win against true contenders? Why Trey? Because you think he might be able to in the future? I agree, it’s easy to remove the emotion when you’re not married to the guy. Write that top tier QB check for a couple years and it wouldn’t be as easy to remain neutral.

          Funny thing is the one guy that guy the most bad pub looked the best in last night’s game, D Jax. We were in it but couldn’t sustain drives, one was directly Kirks fault. The other I would blame on coaching/game planning what have you but even then Kirk gets partial blame.

  9. snyderisanidiot - Sep 12, 2016 at 10:03 PM

    Glad we are getting to see more of Cousins before he got that big multi year deal. Negotiations will be easing off and especially after tonight’s performance. Look for Cousins to solidify his mid range QB status this year.

    The Redskins were out classed by better coaches and better players. Its that simple. The Steelers have the better coaches, better players, and overall better team. It is as simple as that.

    There are too many terrible things that happened tonight, however, the most surprising:

    1) 34 year old D. Williams going for 140+ yards – 2TD’s on the ground. The Redskins run D stinks but good grief that is not a good sign at all.

    2) The pass rush is abysmal. I thought it would be bad but never thought it would be that bad.

    3) Breeland got burnt. I was very suprised by this. He looked very over matched when it came to covering big name guys like Antonio Brown. Maybe its just Brown is that good but dang.

    Overall, the Steelers embarrassed the Redskins. The way they just went for it over and over again on 4th Down shows how undisciplined and sh|tty this Redskins defense is. The Redskins can not hang with the elite teams and it is just as simple as that.

    • lezziemcdykerson - Sep 13, 2016 at 11:55 AM

      Brown is that good. Buuuut after seeing Kirk’s first pick I’m wondering if he (Kirk) was softballing them in practice and that’s why Breeland was looking like an offseason God. Could it be that Kirk isn’t that good of a QB as we projected him as of right now and Breeland hasn’t made as large of strides as we thought.?

  10. snyderisanidiot - Sep 12, 2016 at 10:08 PM

    The Redskins only had 12 total rushing attempts in the entire game. LoL! WTF has happened to the Redskins rushing game. What is Joe Gibbs doing now a days?

    • Trey Gregory - Sep 13, 2016 at 2:15 AM

      That was really where it all went wrong. Have to rush more than 12 times. You just have to. We weren’t doing great running the ball, but we weren’t terrible either (I should admit I was at work and had to watch while working so I didn’t catch every single nuance of every play). There was no reason to completely abandon the run like that. Hope they learned their lesson. Even a bad secondary can shut down a good passing attack if you don’t have some kind of balance.

  11. skinsgame - Sep 12, 2016 at 10:17 PM

    Saw that coming. Gonna be yet another long season. They look like a team in the second year of a rebuild. Except for the penalties. They’ve been drawing penalties at a record rate and killing hope for years and years. That is the one thing I blame on the coaches. No excuse to be so error prone for so long. Scot looks brilliant for playing hard ball with Cousins camp but then squanders that credit by holding onto Lichtenstinker.

  12. gasngo14 - Sep 12, 2016 at 10:31 PM

    Same as last season, we can’t run the ball and we can’t stop the run! Get it fixed fast or it will be a long season!

  13. lezziemcdykerson - Sep 12, 2016 at 10:47 PM

    I’m a little drunk/ shout out dem penatiles

  14. Trey Gregory - Sep 13, 2016 at 3:08 AM

    You guys might think I’m nuts but I actually felt like there’s quite a few things we can build on and be optimistic about from this game. I didn’t get to watch every single play (was at work) but I caught a lot of it. I’ll be more specific after I go back and watch it all. But that offense hummed just fine at times. Cousins clearly had an off night. This isn’t an excuse but it’s a lot of pressure. Prime time game, against the Steelers, off a division title and increased expectations, and playing for a huge contract. I think the pressure got to a few of them, but especially Cousins.

    Let the guy settle down and let’s see what we have. I didn’t expect to beat the best teams in the AFC/NFC this season but that doesn’t mean they haven’t made progress and won’t get quite a few wins this year. We can beat every team in our division. I’m sure if that. We’ll see how everything else plays out. It’s a long season. Archives

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