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Redskins Talk: The Podcast–Tandler and Finlay preview the Steelers and more

Sep 7, 2016, 8:24 AM EDT

Cousins huddle vs Falcons USAT
  1. redskins12thman - Sep 7, 2016 at 8:49 AM

    ILB Ryan Shazier calls Steelers defensive plays and his disruptive game is also supported by not one but two strong OLB pairs (even with Bud Dupree sidelined). Third round rookie, Javon Hargrave, DL, South Carolina St. could be strong pass rusher too, but how will the Redskins offense most effectively neutralize this linebacker corps?

    On the other side of the ball, with the need for defenders to respect Antonio Brown, Eli Rogers plays effectively in the slot, DeAngelo Williams just as easily catches or runs the ball out of the backfield (9.2 and 4.5 yard average per play respectively) or the pass catcher du jour gains ample yardage on underneath screens which the Steelers like to run. Steelers like to run no huddle which we knew has been an issue for us since last season. How will the Redskins neutralize the quick, relentless “Pittskrieg” attack on defense next Monday evening? Coach Gruden said that communication and alignment to personnel groupings are the keys to no huddle. Our CBs and linebackers will be important in this match.

    • rtcwon - Sep 7, 2016 at 7:58 PM

      I just watched all the Steelers starter’s snaps in their week 3 dress rehearsal against New Orleans.

      I focused more on their D as we know what their O is, scary. The ball came out quick. No time for a pass rush to even begin. Reminded me of Giants game one last year. The key will be keeping everything in front and tackling well. Fans that don’t like bend but don’t break will be going nuts. But I think our D can contain them more than most people think.

      As far as their D, I think we can easily win a shootout if we have to. DE Heyward (97) commands the double team, Tuitt (91) the other DE takes advantage of this and makes some plays. Hargrave (79) is their nose so we all know how infrequently he’ll play as he doesn’t get any nickle snaps. His sack came in third quarter when Allen (cut but made Saints practice squad) whiffed on his block. Mathews (90) their third DE didn’t do much either. It is all Heyward and Tuitt on the line.

      Along that theme, their whole D is pretty much all Shazier (50) as Timmons (94) is a massive liability in coverage. Davis will have a field day over the middle. Their run D is pretty good as the whole front seven waits in their gap for the ball carrier to come to them. They are very good at getting off blocks at that point and making the tackle. Lots of 2-4 yard gains but no big runs or tackles for loss. Timmons especially likes to hang way back and make tackles downfield. The outside guys, Moats (55) and Jones (95) set the edge good but don’t penetrate. Moats is the best pass rusher but that doesn’t say much. The Saints easily blocked them all (Chickillo (56) and Harrison (92) got some snaps with the ones) one on one with their tackles. No help and no pressure, not even a hurry on Brees. They only win with stunts and zone blitzes.

      Lastly, their secondary is awful. Their corners that they let on the field, Cockrell (31) and Gay (22) play with lots of cushion and miss tackles. Golden (21) their strong, is in the box almost all the time and tackles well, he is their best DB by default. Mitchell (23) their free, stays very deep and is often seen standing around the pile. Never their quick enough to be in it. Davis (28) is also a safety but plays nickle as their other corners, Burns (25) and Golson (27) are horrible. Davis is a sure tackler but will be easily out classed by Crowder. They are desperate for newly signed Gilbert (24) to give them anything. Regardless, there are holes all over their coverage’s. If we need to, we can easily hang 40 on them.

      • rtcwon - Sep 8, 2016 at 1:18 AM

        I want to edit my comment slightly. I assumed Burns and Golson were horrible because they didn’t play as Pittsburgh rotated through their twos. But doing some reading on behind the curtain, they are just young and raw. So while they will pose no threat and won’t likely see the field week 1, they may not be horrible.

      • redskins12thman - Sep 8, 2016 at 5:38 AM

        This is great insight thanks.

        The Steelers realize the need to improve their defense; seven of the team’s last eight top draft picks (first or second round) have gone to the defense.

        Hayward and Hargrave have been day-to-day with injuries but it looks as if both will be ready for the opener.

        I still think the Steelers linebacking corps is the strength of their defense and above average group at that; stunts and blitzes count too and the Steelers will blitz Monday night. My guess is that their OLBs definitively can penetrate but they weren’t showing too much in their preseason games; the Steelers playoff games against the Bengals and Broncos might reveal more of what the Steelers might want to do.

        They’re definitely a good test for us to see how much our running game has improved, but I do expect us to mainly pass a lot against them; why not attack their weakness? We should take what the Steelers give us, short and intermediate passes to WRs and TEs and march down the field with an occasional long ball to see if they’re starting to cheat. I’m glad you feel Crowder could have a strong game.

        We definitely need to hang 40 or more on them. We can’t ever think we’ll have enough points against the Steelers as they can score in bunches too. It’s hard not to think of this game as a shootout.

        • redskins12thman - Sep 8, 2016 at 5:58 AM

          The Steelers and Redskins are similarly set up, although on defense the Steelers have a much better track record against stopping the run, and the Redskins have better cornerbacks.

          On offense, the Steelers had been able to run a little bit better than we can, but we are both top passing offenses.

          It will be interesting to see how we match up on the line of scrimmage battles and if this plays any role in the outcome of the game.

  2. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Sep 7, 2016 at 10:52 AM

    It’ll be a fine test of our defense. And our pass protection.


  3. rtcwon - Sep 7, 2016 at 8:03 PM

    bty – I listened to the whole pod cast, so JP you owe me a beer.

    • rtcwon - Sep 7, 2016 at 8:13 PM

      Also, I’m so bored with the DL sucks, we should/need/are a 4-3 nonsense of the last few days, I watched the last Philly game too because an earlier thread wondered about Dunbar. We did play a ton of man in that game.

      But he did have an egregious blown zone assignment. This is why he is behind Toler as the third outside corner. Watch – (I’m not sure if that link will work, or if it is legal to post…only one way to find out)

      He did correct it later against the same route concept and I am still very high on his potential. He is also are best jammer on punt return.

    • redskins12thman - Sep 8, 2016 at 5:41 AM


  4. redskins12thman - Sep 8, 2016 at 10:38 AM

    Great Tomlin quote from Mike Jones column: “I think the first game is less about the people that you play, and more about you doing you — us being detail-oriented from an assignment standpoint, playing hard, communicating well, not being highly penalized,” Tomlin said while on a conference call with reporters. “I think we all — and when I say we, I mean all 32 teams — really have a similar challenge this week, that we need to be a tough team to beat and the first thing to do that — the first element of that — is not beating yourselves.” Archives

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