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Need to Know: Redskins stock up-stock down vs. Bills

Aug 27, 2016, 6:57 AM EDT


Here is what you need to know on this Saturday, August 27, seven days before the Washington Redskins cut their roster to 53 players.


Today’s schedule: Off day, no availability

—The Redskins last played a game that counted 230 days ago. It will be 16 days until they host the Steelers in their 2016 season opener.

Days until: Cowboys @ Redskins 22; Browns @ Redskins 36; Redskins @ Ravens 43

Stock up-Stock down vs. Bills

Here is who gained ground in the Redskins’ preseason win over the Bills and who slipped.

UpZiggy Hood has gone from a longshot to make the roster to a virtual lock. He helped his case tonight with a sack of Tyrod Taylor and some impressive run stops.

DownRashad Ross returned both punts and kickoffs. On one of the few opportunities he got he muffed the ball and in the ensuing scramble teammate Quinton Dunbar was injured. He’s safe on the roster but his chance of winning the punt return job may be gone, at least for now.

Up—Jay Gruden said that he could “feel” the presence of Preston Smith from the sideline, disrupting plays and setting the edge. That some very high praise and an indication that Smith could be on the verge of a true breakout season.

DownKory Lichtensteiger did not have a good week. The team traded for his possible successor in Bryan Stork and then he went out and drew three penalties.

UpRobert Kelley had a good night (12 carries for 51 yards) when he needed it, probably locking up a spot on the 53-man roster.

DownMatt Ioannidis didn’t play his way off of the 53 but he was mostly invisible with no solo tackles and three assists.

Up—Like Hood, Greg Toler was supposed to be on the outside looking in when it came to making the 53. But he has played well enough to force his way on and he recovered a fumble that Will Blackmon forced to set up a touchdown.

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  1. redskins12thman - Aug 27, 2016 at 7:04 AM

    Great observations Rich. Riley was down too and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him released Tuesday to give him more of an opportunity to land somewhere else.

    I’m also very concerned about Kerrigan’s injury; that’s key to the season — is he out weeks or months?

    Who played better between Bates, Jefferson, Lanier? I saw Jefferson tried to execute a poor tackle but that was it.

    Who on offensive line played well enough for potential 9th Oline spot?

    Paulsen sits right at the bubble; unsure whether he’s in or out…

    • redskins12thman - Aug 27, 2016 at 7:09 AM

      I’m hoping / praying that Stork wants to play football for the Redskins and that he does not get another concussion. I believe he’s coming in today…

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 27, 2016 at 9:57 AM

        With so many concussions already, a player who lines up inches across the largest men on a team doesn’t stand much chance of a sustained career. Keeping Stork creates as much uncertainty as it eliminates if the team decides to release Lich’ or even Leribeus

        • bangkokben - Aug 27, 2016 at 10:32 AM

          They’re not getting rid of Lichtensteiger. Leribeus has zero chance of making the team which is maybe down four percentage points since his signing and that’s being generous. As for Stork, it’s a chance the Redskins are taking. Being 25 and as combative as he has been recently, I got to wonder if he’s not on a Barret Robbins type path. I hope not for the young man. If there is no mental illness issues (wild speculation by a person with no knowledge of the situation) the concussions are serious. It’s desperation by a team clearly unhappy with it’s center situation.

    • Rich Tandler - Aug 27, 2016 at 7:09 AM

      Barring something unexpected Kerrigan will be in the lineup on Sept. 12.

      • redskins12thman - Aug 27, 2016 at 7:12 AM

        That’s the best news I have heard. You’ve made my weekend!

        • goback2rfk - Aug 27, 2016 at 9:54 AM

          Kerrigan is OK. Last season he was the 4th highest paid OLB in the league. Had 8.5 sacks. He is definitely the best we got at this point. Productivity a little low lately. Edge guys usually do much better when there is pressure in the middle of the line. Maybe there is no push up front and that has diminished Kerrigan somewhat. One thing you will notice is that Kerrigan does not really command a double team. Teams do not really have to worry about extra help on his side. Thats all I am saying nothing bad or negative cause I think R.K. is a great a player overall

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 27, 2016 at 10:03 AM

          Like most 3-4 OLBs, offenses generally are not doubled teamed off the line. A TE may stave off the edge at times or the RB may pick up the OLB breaking free but double team in general is very hard to place on an OLB many yards off the line

        • bangkokben - Aug 27, 2016 at 10:10 AM


          He was 13th last year. This year he’s 5th — just one spot ahead of Brian Orakpo. His overall contract is 4th because recent contracts are higher than previously negotiated contracts. It’s inflation and why folks wanted Cousins locked up at 2015 rates and not 2016 rates. If your point is that some guys are overpaid. Wow! What a revelation. Stop the presses.

          Ezekiel Elliot as the 4th overall pick has the 8th highest overall contract for running backs. A great talent for sure but he has never had one NFL carry, has a domestic violence situation hanging over him, has been caught perusing a marijuana shop in Seattle, and makes more than all the Redskin running backs combined. So what?

        • Trey Gregory - Aug 27, 2016 at 12:23 PM

          He had 9.5. Not 8.5. And he had 13.5 the year before. I personally round up with these things because a QB didn’t hit the deck .5 times but whatever. He nearly had 10 sacks in a season where he played half the games injured. Dude is a stud and worth every penny.

          Galette is probably a better pass rusher but Kerrigan didn’t miss a single game while Galette will be out two years straight. These things matter. As well as leadership.

          But yes, you’re correct that how the rest of the front 7 plays affects his numbers. If Ryan Kerrigan was in Arizona, Denver, or Seattle I have to imagine he would be wreaking havoc.

    • redskins12thman - Aug 27, 2016 at 7:11 AM

      Meant Trail and not Lanier (still waking up)…

  2. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Aug 27, 2016 at 7:18 AM

    Lanier got his name called a couple times, too.


    • redskins12thman - Aug 27, 2016 at 7:24 AM

      Lanier seemed more impactful that Ioannidis; don’t know if either of them played well enough to deserve a roster spot but both would be offered spots on practice squad. My gut says Lanier is more ready for NFL than Ioannidis is at this point but I don’t know how Lanier would do against 1st string…

  3. sidepull - Aug 27, 2016 at 7:24 AM

    Djax. Stock up and rising. He looks ready to ball out.

    Fat Rob Kelley looks good so far. This is going to sound crazy but what if he were the number one RB and Jones was the 3rd down back? Maybe Jones looks like a number one but cant take the beating. He looks good coming out of the backfield and maybe they have two 3rd down backs in CT an MJ? I have never been a CT fan to the point where the Redskins have to have him. He cannot stay healthy but he is a Gruden guy, and like Grant he will be on the roster no matter what.

    Speaking of Grant, stock up. I have to admit I was not on his bandwagon either but he looks pretty good this preseason.

    • redskins12thman - Aug 27, 2016 at 7:28 AM

      What’s worrisome is the lack of durability of both Jones and Thompson; I wonder how many regular season games both will be healthy enough to play: 16? 14-15? 11-13? 9-10? half or less? Kelley will definitely play this season… It will be interesting to see if Redskins go after a vet — the Redskins may be eyeing a player or two but I believe they’ll want to give Kelley his chance too.

      • goback2rfk - Aug 27, 2016 at 9:20 AM

        If we are depending on Kelley than that is a scary proposition. The RB squad is a mess. A big mess. I do not care who they put in there at this point. Looks like Kirk better warm that arm up cause he is gunna be throwing a lot this year.

        • bangkokben - Aug 27, 2016 at 10:20 AM

          In 2012, the Redskins had a rookie 6th round running back supported by two late round running backs with one year of experience each, a full back with two years experience, and a rookie quarterback. Didn’t they lead the league in rushing? Point isn’t that the Redskins run game will get similar results but that it’s looked scary before and got unexpectedly good results.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 27, 2016 at 10:40 AM

          Good point Bang but that type of history is more of an anomaly than a norm. Unless, there is another variation of a read option Gruden shocks the world with, I doubt the running game will hop back in the top 5. If Jones and Thompson stay healthy most the season then I do believe it can be better than many here think. Especially with a more mature line on the right side

        • bangkokben - Aug 27, 2016 at 11:10 AM

          JD, I don’t they’ll even flirt with top ten but say they’re right in the middle (13-19). That should be enough. And I’d be fine with Kelly backing up Jones and Thompson. Kelly picks up the blitz well and shows good vision. Knock on wood, he’s durable too.

        • Trey Gregory - Aug 28, 2016 at 3:53 AM

          The Redskins also had the 2nd overall pick who was just as much a RB as a QB. I believe RG3 set some rushing records himself that year.

          They also had run guru Mike Shannahan in a zone blocking scheme, running the zone read. We’re not doing anything similar to that. Say what you will about Shannahan, but he knows how to get a run game going. To this day I still hear very well respected guys say Mike Shannahan was/is one of the best minds in football when it comes to running the ball.

          Just saying, we’re not likely to see a boon in the run game like that in 2016. I’ll be shocked if we even hit the middle. That would be an astonishing improvement over last year. And I can’t see what we did to get that improvement.

        • bangkokben - Aug 28, 2016 at 8:13 AM

          Trey, The Redskins were 14th in rushing attempts last year and 20th in total rushing yards last season. It depends how you define the middle. They were 30th in YPC and 32nd in DVOA.

      • bangkokben - Aug 27, 2016 at 9:54 AM

        Chris Thompson was held out as a precaution last night. Doesn’t mean there aren’t durability concerns but he had 70 touches last year and averaged over six yards a touch — both running and receiving. That’s what should be expected from Thompson this year as well — 60-100 touches for six yards a pop or more with a couple TDs. It isn’t Larry Centers but it’s value to the team.

        • Duce - Aug 27, 2016 at 5:54 PM

          Larry Centers bro.. dam he was good

        • bangkokben - Aug 27, 2016 at 6:10 PM

          Yeah he was.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 27, 2016 at 10:18 AM

      I think the ream is seeking a RB by committee this season and probably due to young injury prone starters. Overall, CT is the best back on the roster and that is why the team must have him. I also don’t recall any reported injury issues this season. If that is true then give him the benefit of the doubt. Jones is the most talented back on the team and should the featured back, but there are just so many red flags on his health this season already. He just can’t be counted on at this point. However, fans need to have patience on both MJ and CT. There is great promise in both.

    • bangkokben - Aug 27, 2016 at 10:24 AM

      Jackson looks like a 100 catch receiver this year. Hasn’t missed a single training camp practice and been injury free. Meanwhile there’s his heir apparent not being able to practice since May 25th. A complete reversal of the general consensus’ expectations.

    • Trey Gregory - Aug 28, 2016 at 4:00 AM

      I personally think you’re looking at it wrong as either Jones, Kelley, or anyone else being the #1 back. We probably don’t have a true #1 back. That would be like a team with Golden Tate and Muhammad Sanu as their top 2 receivers. Who’s the #1? Neither. They just have two #2 receivers on the field.

      Jones and (let’s say Kelley) will simply split carries as 1a and 1b with Thompson as the 3rd down back. Thompson has been very good (yes, very good) as a 3rd down back. I can’t imagine why we would pull him from that and stick Jones there instead.

      Maybe Scot makes a trade for Niles Davis, Charcandrick West, or Adrian Peterson (why not?) but until then, those are the top 3 options and I’ll bet the carries break down like that over time. They made ride the hot hand from game to game but they’ll ultimately split. Health permitting.

  4. Brad - Aug 27, 2016 at 7:44 AM

    We cannot stop the run at all! It seems like every time Buffalo ran the ball, they would get at least 6 yards. I know everyone is high on Will Compton, but he needs to be better at stopping runs that come right up the middle. Too many chunk yard running plays right up the gutts.

    • sidepull - Aug 27, 2016 at 7:57 AM

      Yea its frustrating to see them get gashed last year and then again in preseason. The eye doesnt lie. Not really any better is it? Thankfully Bell wont be gashing them in the opener.

      • Brad - Aug 27, 2016 at 8:12 AM

        Bell won’t, but williams will.

    • cowboyhater - Aug 27, 2016 at 8:05 AM

      It’s a bit deceiving when looking at that… a 3-4 the d line is to take up blockers to keep our LB’s clean to make the plays but this is not happening. Bottom line…..we do not have a true NT and that will penalize us all season. Good luck with the Elliott and Morris combo in week 2. We better hope that something changes from now to then to get this fixed. It was an issue last year, and remains an issue this year.

      • Brad - Aug 27, 2016 at 8:23 AM

        You’re spot on. I don’t mean to sound negative because there were definitely some bright spots, Kelly, Preston Smith, etc., but I think if teams can run right up the gut and gain six yards everytime, we are in trouble. I like Compton, but I really miss Keenan Robinsons speed and I think the middle of our defense does too. That’s a middle linebackers bread and butter to stop the run. Compton really doesn’t even have to worry about the edges with Smith and Kerrigan because they shed blocks so well and usually make the takle or at least get the runner out of bounds. He needs to be better. Just my opinion.

        blocks so well and

        • hail74 - Aug 27, 2016 at 8:55 AM

          Keenan’s speed didn’t help him prevent Clay from blowing past him en route to a huge pass last week. Do we really need to lament moving on from every player we’ve had the past few season? There gone, end of story.

        • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Aug 27, 2016 at 8:59 AM

          Speaking of laments, there were plenty about not resigning Pot Roast.

          Knighton, a 30-year-old defensive tackle, did not play a single snap in the Patriots’ third game of the preseason — an ominous sign for a player who already had been pushed toward the fringes of the 53-man roster.

        • redskins12thman - Aug 27, 2016 at 9:12 AM

          If Golston is so good at NT, why didn’t he start instead of Pot Roast? If Pot Roast became free next Tuesday, should the Redskins try to sign him? Is there anyone else we are going to bring in: a RB, an OL or an ILB who does well against the rush? I’m sure it depends on who is available… just like Stork became available…

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 27, 2016 at 10:30 AM

          Golston is not a good NT. He is adequate stopping the run at times but that is about it. He’ll get over powered at times and really is nothin more than a backup role player

        • bangkokben - Aug 27, 2016 at 10:47 AM


          There were 4 million reasons. Knighton was the 2nd highest paid NT last year.

      • hokietaa - Aug 27, 2016 at 8:49 AM

        I’d give Hood a shot at starting NT.

        • Mr.moneylover - Aug 27, 2016 at 9:55 AM

          I would too..He makes his guys move backwards and thats what we need at the NT postion

      • Mr.moneylover - Aug 27, 2016 at 10:03 AM

        We still haven’t seen jarrell powe yet because is surgery…he might play the 4th pre-season game and he might be what the redskins could be lacking at the NT postion….but I think Ziggy Hood playing NT make sense for now

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 27, 2016 at 10:34 AM

        Most the time this defense is plying one gap off the line so I don’t think it’s true the line is consuming blocks for the LBs. That is specially true about the right side defense last season

      • bangkokben - Aug 27, 2016 at 10:43 AM

        That is not how this 3-4 works which has been well documented in multiple print media. They play a one-gap system not a two-gap system.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 27, 2016 at 10:57 AM

          Bang, you’re right about the defense but I’d wager if we had a NT that could take on double teams then the middle would be playing a 2 gap. I know it’s hard to find one but I thought Scot could have done more in the draft in bringing more promise than a 6th round project that looks more apt playing DE in the NFL

        • bangkokben - Aug 27, 2016 at 11:04 AM

          We played one-gap last year with Knighton and that worked with mixed results. Either it shut down the run or it got trampled on. Goal line and short yardage was outstanding and Barry would always point to the one or two plays that would turn a good day into a bad day but I remember the Falcons and Packers games where they couldn’t stop the run to save their lives. I’m fine with the party line of not needing a true NT but they also don’t have a nose for they’re system. I’m fine with a line of RJF, Hood, and Baker and even Golston for his 15 snaps but you put in Reyes, Paea, Ioannidis, and you’re asking for trouble.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 27, 2016 at 11:14 AM

          Yes we did and Knighten was supposed to be one of those rare big men who could shoot the gap coming off the line very fast. The guy really let everyone down.

    • redskins12thman - Aug 27, 2016 at 9:18 AM

      The Bills were minus LeSean too. He’s the real McCoy.

      In addition two other offensive starters, it was reported by Bills media that “almost every defensive starter” rested too.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 27, 2016 at 10:27 AM

      It’s hard stopping the run with no true NT complimented by an undersized MIKE! There has been almost no evidence of any moves or changes in improving off last season’s defense. I think Hood is the most positive move made on the Dline but he is not the answer for issues stopping the run in the middle of the field. That and the Safety situations really puts the defense behind the 8 ball. You can’t just cover your way off the field

      • redskins12thman - Aug 27, 2016 at 6:26 PM

        Interesting points: It’s hard stopping the run with no true NT complimented by an undersized MIKE! … Safety situations really puts the defense behind the 8 ball.

    • bangkokben - Aug 27, 2016 at 10:39 AM

      Fortunately, most teams like to mix in a pass here and there and miss the obvious — that if they just run the ball they will continue to get first downs. However, there are teams like Green Bay that find a weakness and then make you stop it before they change attack. I don’t see Compton being the problem as much as Reyes other linemen.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 27, 2016 at 10:49 AM

        If you could take Compton’s brain and placed it in Keenan,s body, the middle linebacker position is a solved. Compton always seems to be in the right place but does get eaten up by blocks at times. This is a big reason why a true NT taking on double teams is needed on this defense. Compton would perform much better if he had that player

        • bangkokben - Aug 27, 2016 at 10:55 AM

          I think you’re probably right when it comes to base defense. However, I’d be surprised if they run base as much as they do during the season as they do in the pre-season. I think you’re right about the overall improvements on defense (9:39 comment) and we’ll see something different once the season starts. If not, the offense will need to score quick often.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 27, 2016 at 11:03 AM

          I totally agree the defense will look very different in the regular season and he need a potent offense attack. While I often harp on the now and where weaknesses still exist, I’m still positive on roster development. I think Scot is building the team that needs a few more seasons before we all see the balance we are looking for here

        • Duce - Aug 27, 2016 at 5:58 PM

          Hopefully there’s a surprise cut from another team who’s like 28 and play the NT position, like a Fairley that we can swoop up

    • Trey Gregory - Aug 28, 2016 at 4:03 AM

      They would get 6 yards every time except when Preston Smith tackled them for a loss….

  5. sidepull - Aug 27, 2016 at 9:07 AM

    They couldnt fix everything that needs fixing in a coupe years. I guess what gets me is that they never really had great players for a 3-4 yet they jumped into it to emulate the Steelers success I believe. We have never had a wrecking ball NT since the inception of the 3-4. Thats been a few years. Up until then it was a pretty good D. Lots of comments this year about we dont need a big wrecking ball in the middle. I still do not agree. No more than I believe we dont need a C and what we have is adequate. Just me. I just think its going to be a really long season if they cannot stop the run. It sure looks suspect right now. I hope I am wrong and they just pancake the RB’s. Praying that a cast off, concussion prone BB C, decides after what he saw last night, he wants to play here. Our C position is a real joke.

    • redskins12thman - Aug 27, 2016 at 9:29 AM

      Stopping the run is clearly an issue, but I do think the defense has made significant strides: Norman / Breeland (CBs are key and they are playing lights out), Smith, Compton (helps defensive unit play well), Hall adjusting to safety, Kerrigan and Baker with continued solid play, Hood and RJF stepping up; that’s nine right there — so we’ll see what we get with Bruton / Ihenacho at strong safety and Foster at Mo. The play of the defensive line as a whole and Foster are key in run defense.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 27, 2016 at 11:07 AM

      I think your comments is spot on accurate sidepull

    • Trey Gregory - Aug 28, 2016 at 4:15 AM

      Well, you need a nose if you’re truly running a 3-4 but we’re really not. We’re running a hybrid. That’s the best way to name it. We’re in a 4 man front FAR more than a 3 man (I want to say the breakdown is something like 80/20). But even when we are in a 3 man front, they’re 1 gapping. A true 3-4 is a 2 gap scheme. That’s why you need a huge nose and bigger DEs. But you don’t need a true nose (which we had last year btw) to shoot an A-gap.

      I’m all about having monsterous DTs but people aren’t wrong when they say we don’t need one. A 4 man front with say: Murphy, Baker, RJF, and Kerrigan is pretty solid. (Murphy because of the extra weight) You can rush all 4 or drop Kerrigan and zone blitz someone like Cravens and still have enough beef up front to get it done. And the Steelers weren’t the first team to run a successful 3-4. They probably switched to it because they saw its merit.

      I can’t agree with the center though. Obviously there are better centers than Kory but he really isn’t bad. There are all these myths about his inadequacies around the internet but I don’t see it when I actually watch him play. I’m genuinely open minded to someone teaching me why he’s so bad but I have yet for anyone to tell me something I can go back and find when he plays.

      • redskins12thman - Aug 28, 2016 at 5:27 AM

        I’m unsure whether Murphy is still at 290… I think he’s much closer to, if not exactly at, 270.

  6. Mr.moneylover - Aug 27, 2016 at 9:49 AM

    I keep tryna tell ppl…they think bryan stork gonna just be added depth but I bet you soon when he pick up the scheme he will be our starting center… they gonna push him to learn as much as possible kory l. And spencer long and josh lebrius showed they cant be reliable bein a starter they get injured quick and they get pushed around….Stock down or MORGAN MOSES RASHAD ROSS SPENCER LONG AND KORY L. to hes still showing hes the weak link of the O-line stock up for me MACK BROWN,TY NESHEKE, ZIGGY HOOD, MIKE MAYFIELD, ROBERT KELLY, KENDALL FULLER,PRESTON SMITH, BREELAND, JOSH NORMAN, DHALL

    • goback2rfk - Aug 27, 2016 at 10:00 AM

      I agree. That is a good assessment of the situation. I hope Dunbar makes the team even though I think he is injured now. The guy showed a lot of promise and fight.

  7. bangkokben - Aug 27, 2016 at 10:58 AM

    As far as stock down, Morgan Moses stock is in free fall. He’s a holding call waiting to happen. Was the sudden surge in offense last night due to the Bills personnel or the replacement of Nsekhe for Moses due to injury?

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 27, 2016 at 11:11 AM

      Moses really concerned me last night. I’m hoping he cleans up his performance by regular season. We need progress not regression from him. Otherwise, the line as a whole will suffer the consequences.

    • sidepull - Aug 27, 2016 at 11:11 AM

      But why is Moses in a free fall? Last year he was such a great surprise. This year he playing like he was expected to play before he started last season. No one saw him playing as well as he did last year. Now he has problems. Usually I say injuries when I see a guy fall off like that. But it is just crazy. I thought heading into the season the right side of the line was going to be a bright spot. Now I dunno.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 27, 2016 at 11:19 AM

        I recall many reports on how hard Moses worked in the off season, but I’ve not read the same this year. Some players have to continue that level of work ethic to stay on top. It is just a guess; but Moses may be one of those player so.

        • sidepull - Aug 27, 2016 at 12:01 PM

          Ya know I think you are on to something there. He looks slower and heavier.

        • Skulb - Aug 27, 2016 at 12:55 PM

          The last time I heard him interviewed I thought that he sounded a lot more cocky than he did last year as well. Maybe he forgot to put his nose to the grindstone a bit this summer. Hopefully it’s just rust and him getting used to the tempo though. He just needs to move his feet and the holding calls should go away.

        • Trey Gregory - Aug 27, 2016 at 5:26 PM

          Moses is a concern. He was a nice surprise last year because we didn’t see him coming. But it’s not like he was an all pro. He had a lot of work to do and it doesn’t appear he did it. Work ethic is important. I agree that it appears he could be resting on his laurels.

          The only silver lining I can find is that Ty can start if Moses doesn’t produce. Maybe that lights a fire under Moses’ ass and gets him back on the correct path. But this isn’t good. The alleged progress of Moses, Kouandjo, and Long were big reasons why I didn’t think we needed to draft along the O-line or make any free agent aquisitions this offseason. There’s a chance all 3 regress (maybe Kouandjo was never even decent to start). If that’s the case, we do need to upgrade the line. Which will set back the progress of our D-line. Ioannidis hasn’t shown me any reason to be optimistic about his future and he’s the only young guy developing along that line. Unless you count Murphy, who is going into year 4. I really wish Scot would have drafted a DT or DE with that 4th round pick. I don’t remember what O-linemen were still available, but maybe there too. I know there were 2-3 promising D-line prospects though.

          I don’t want to get too dramatic before the season even starts but it feels like the team is taking a step back if the above guys can’t get their stuff together. This is why rebuilds truly take 4-5 years.

      • abanig - Aug 27, 2016 at 12:14 PM

        I don’t think Moses has played that poorly. In three weeks of the preseason he’s played a total of one half of football I’d say, maybe a bit more. He had one or two poor plays in the run game the first two weeks and last night he got beat by Lorenzo Alexander for a sack.

        He had a false start or two I believe and a holding call this preseason or two. That’s all preseason stuff as guys are working out the kinks and getting used to the speed of the game again.

        I have a hard time saying he’s totally fallen apart especially considering its preseason.

        • bangkokben - Aug 27, 2016 at 12:26 PM

          Read the play-by-play transcripts. You’ll see he’s had at least three holding penalties in both the run and pass pro.

        • abanig - Aug 27, 2016 at 12:41 PM

          One was a poor call in week 1. He wasn’t holding on the 12-yard run by Jones vs Atl.

          I’m not trying to say Moses has been amazing or perfect but I think those saying he’s taken some major step backwards are off base.

        • bangkokben - Aug 27, 2016 at 12:48 PM

          He’s been a holding call a set of downs. Sure it was a bit ticky-tack but it was the same kind of call made on Reed in the run game all last year. Moses needs to get it cleaned up. Period. Rusty or not it’s unacceptable for it be a frequent as infrequently as he has played.

        • abanig - Aug 27, 2016 at 1:01 PM

          Definitely true, I can’t disagree with that.

        • redskins12thman - Aug 27, 2016 at 4:09 PM

          Unit needs to keep working to hit Hogs 2.0!

        • abanig - Aug 27, 2016 at 4:23 PM

          Having Lauvao or Nsekhe start at LG over the “weakest link” Long, would be a big start.

        • Trey Gregory - Aug 27, 2016 at 5:34 PM

          Ty is a tackle though. And a good swing tackle. If Lauvao can’t beat out Long or Ty at LG then we need to move on. But I don’t believe that’s the case.

          Ty could end up starting at RT. I’m sorry man but I disagree that Moses hasnt talent a step back. His feet have looked slow. Often the guy who wins (between the tackle and edge rusher) is the one who takes the 3rd step. The tackle steps back first because he knows the snap count, then the rusher takes his, and if the tackle can take his second step before the rusher he often has success. Moses feet look heavy. His hands have also not looked great. Don’t get me wrong, he has ups and downs. He looks good some plays. But too often he’s allowing the pass rusher to get their hands inside his shoulders. That allows the rusher to push Moses around. He needs faster hands and better hand placement. He’s not going to consistently win if he’s trying to latch on to the defender’s shoulder pads. And that’s where the holding penalties come from. Those penalties are a direct indictment against his hands.

        • abanig - Aug 27, 2016 at 9:13 PM

          I think people are missing the facts a bit here. Moses only played 18 snaps last night and I think Bang put that Nsekhe played 3 times as much.

          So like the hands to the face penalty when was on Nsekhe, the false start in the redzone was Nsekhe.

          I’m not trying to say Moses has played great but I think Nsekhe is being hyped a bit much here. They’re pretty much equal and when that’s the case you go with the younger guy who has a long term future.

          Nsekhe will be 31 in October. The only way he should start is if he’s a lot better than our current starter and the only hope of him being a lot better than any of our current starters would be left guard but I doubt they ever play him there even though Cooley thinks they should try it because Nsekhe is 335 pounds and a great run blocker.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 27, 2016 at 6:10 PM

          The concern with Moses for me is that he has looked slower and especially getting out on run blocking. This is the second week in a row I noticed this and someone here mentioned the same. It’s not time to panic but raises some flags about his conditioning at this point in the season.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 27, 2016 at 6:15 PM

          Trey, I think we are seeing some of the same from Moses. He has never been athletic but displayed enough footwork and keeping his hands right to stave off pressure. That was last season though and he seems to have the same troubles witnessed in his rookie season

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 27, 2016 at 6:16 PM

          Tight not right

        • Mr.moneylover - Aug 27, 2016 at 6:42 PM

          Ty Nesheke did better then Moses …Morgan Moses come off the line so slow the pass rush move right pass him and then he gotta hold witch brings back a 5 yard gain ….and now he got a ankle injury right along with spencer long those two farts weaker then tony romo back…lol we got to start ty Nesheke monday night against the steelers

    • abanig - Aug 27, 2016 at 12:20 PM

      One of Nsekhe’s first plays after he took over for the injuried Moses was hands to the face inside the Redskins own 20 yard line. When the redskins were driving later in the second quarter it was again Nsekhe who had the false start in the redzone. The next play, it was the Cousins to Garcon pass for the TD.

      Moses hasn’t been great but I think it’s a bit of an overreaction here just like I see often times by many to Kory because these two aren’t being perfect, well no one is perfect. I know you know that, but it just seems at times Kory & Moses are being held to some standard for work reason that no OL could meet.

      It must be because the redskins fan base as a whole sees these two as weak links in the OL but in reality, the LG position is the biggest issue and Kory has to help so much on Spencer Long’s man that it makes it look like he’s playing worse than he really is.

      • bangkokben - Aug 27, 2016 at 12:23 PM

        Nsekhe played 54 snaps; Moses 18. Morgan is averaging about a hold a series in this preseason. That is not the same standard as Ty.

        • abanig - Aug 27, 2016 at 12:39 PM

          At least one of those holding calls on Moses was a horrible call. The call on Moses in week 1 vs the Falcons where Jones had the 12 yard gain that was called back was a horrible call by the referee. It was not holding.

          Ty had two major penalties last night. Hands to the face inside their own 20 and the false start when they were in the redzone.

          Moses got beat by Zo on the spin move and didn’t do anything else majorly wrong last night. I saw no penalties on him and he got beat once by Zo.

        • bangkokben - Aug 27, 2016 at 12:46 PM

          Holding is a major call. It’s a negative play that puts the team in bad down and distance. Working with the ones when you’re not expecting to and getting a false start is rust for Lauvao and a Major Penalty for Nsekhe is inconsistent at best and downright prejudiced at worse. Fine, if you got your mind made up that Moses and Lauvao and Lichtensteiger are excusable and Long and Nsekhe are major than whatever. I’m not even talking about who should start just who played well.

        • abanig - Aug 27, 2016 at 1:01 PM

          Well for one, I think what is key to realize here is just what you said in relation to Long vs Lauvao, Lauvao can be chalked up to rush. Now, when you break down Long, it’s just either mental mistakes, poor footwork or not enough strength.

          To me, Nsekhe and Moses are about even in ability. I’m not trying to say that Moses’ mistakes aren’t big ones. I was just saying last night Moses got beat once by Zo and had no penalties in I think three series of play. So, I would say he improved over the first two weeks.

          I would also say that Moses and Nsekhe are about equal in ability but you have to give the edge to Moses because on the right side we are trying – and I think succeeding – in developing a tandem of Long and Scherff at RG & RT that will be together for at least the next 3 or 4 years, if not the next decade – should neither of them leave after their rookie deals for a huge deal another team may offer them.

        • bangkokben - Aug 27, 2016 at 6:04 PM

          I want Moses to be the starting RT but I expected that he would continue to play like a very good one. It’s way to early to give up on him but it’s one of those things that can sink a season if his preseason form is his new form. For all the blame Griffin got for 2013, there were three or four other starters that had just as significant declines without the injury excuse. When you’re facing a lot of 2nd and 14s your interceptions and sacks are likely to increase. Just needs to get nipped in the bud.

        • abanig - Aug 27, 2016 at 9:04 PM

          That’s true, same with 2014 and RG3

        • Mr.moneylover - Aug 27, 2016 at 6:59 PM

          You hit it on the money…ty nesheke getting more work in then Morgan Moses he got atleast 5 fouls called on him during the lil bit of time played during the pre-season …ty nesheke did get 2 fouls called yesterday but it was the most he played in along time he was tired but after that drive redskins took him out because he did really good up to that point they was happy with his play….man jay gruden face was priceless when he seen the offense struggling he looked like he wanted to break something

      • Mr.moneylover - Aug 27, 2016 at 6:45 PM

        Kory l. Bein called for 3 fouls thats just not bein focus

      • Trey Gregory - Aug 28, 2016 at 4:32 AM

        it’s not just about the penalties though. Some of it is WHY he got those penalties. The face mask penalty is a perfect example. There have literally been books written about all the wrong stuff he did on that play. Go back and watch it multiple times and you’ll understand.

        Watch his feet first. Watch the weird shuffle he does. Alexander was in his head. He wasn’t committing to anything and seething a strong base. He was scared Alexander would spin inside so he refused to commit to the outside: which is where he got beat. He should have taken one big step back with his right foot, keeping his shoulders angled with the inside further forward so that Alexander couldnt spin inside. Then waited to see Alexander’s step and used his right leg to spring himself into Alexander’s path while staying square.

        Then watch his shoulders. As a rule of thumb, the O-linemen was his shoulders relatively square to the defender. If the defender gets to where their shoulders are side by side, the defender won. The offensive linemen has no power from that stance. Alexander was able to run right by him.

        Watch his hands. He didn’t get them in Alexander’s chest to control him. It was impossible because of his stance. But Moses doesn’t have to get his hands in Alexander’s chest to stop a speed rush. He can just push him off his path. But he wasn’t able to push Alexander off his path because his shoulders weren’t square.

        So Alexander go around Moses and all Moses could do was hold. That’s it. But even a hold wasn’t enough, he had to face mask to stop him because he put himself in a bad situation but bad technique.

        And I think I saw you saw Williams couldn’t have stopped that spin move: yes he could. It just might be hard to imagine because of the stance Moses took. But Wilkiams wouldn’t get caught off guard like that. He gets beat, don’t get me wrong, be he could have stopped that.

        • abanig - Aug 28, 2016 at 3:13 PM

          The hands to the face/face mask penalty was on Nsekhe after Moses had tweaked his ankle on the series before. Joe Theisman didn’t realize Moses wasn’t in and he said Moses was culprit at first but then he corrected himself to Nsekhe.

          Later in the drive when the skins got in the redzone, Nsekhe hot a false start called on him, and the. The next play was the TD pass to Garçon right before the end of the half.

        • Trey Gregory - Aug 28, 2016 at 4:06 PM

          Yeah I realized that after I wrote all that. Joe threw me off. And I just focused on his feet and hands and didn’t even notice the number.

          So I went back and rewatched. I’m still very disappointed in that performance but I was a little harsh. Ty’s feet weren’t great but they weren’t quite as bad as I said (I shouldn’t attempt to do these things from memory). He just basically allowed Alexander to get outside of him too fast. By the time he corrected, Alexander already had a great angle. I’m actually not even sure the hold was necessary. But whatever. It was just a bad play. I’m not pleased with Moses or Ty right now.

        • abanig - Aug 28, 2016 at 4:28 PM

          No biggie. One thing to keep in mind is that Moses is almost 6 years younger than Nsekhe and Moses was our starter all of last year. When you have a RT who’s your incumbent starter and he’s 6 years younger than the guy competing with him, you stay with the younger incumbent when their current play is about equal.

        • Trey Gregory - Aug 29, 2016 at 2:47 AM

          Yeah. I’m not calling for Ty to start over Moses. Although the thought did cross my mind. But they can’t overreact to a bad preseason. They have to give him a shot to prove himself. This team gets set back significantly if we don’t have a right tackle.

  8. bangkokben - Aug 27, 2016 at 11:40 AM

    Crowder for punt returner…I’d take James Thrash right now.

    A couple of unexpected potential developments out of the new touchback rule: longer field goals and shorter punts. Hopkins just missed a 55-yard last night but I’ll take that over a net 12-yard punt. There is now more room to pooch punt as anything inside the 25 is better than a touchback. Therefore, punt average could be down this year, too. Are Buffalo and Washington really going to concede 5-yards a kick-off? If they are it shouldn’t surprise us to see three FGA over 50 yards — especially with their kickers.

  9. abanig - Aug 27, 2016 at 12:06 PM

    So I rewatched the game this morning and I was paying special attention to the interior OL and also counting up how many yards Cousins would have throw for if the receivers hadn’t had so many drops.

    By my count, in the first half, Spencer Long made 3 major mistakes in pass protection and almost got Cousins each time. Last night I thought all the mistakes were on Kory, but now I see that Kory made 3 including one in the running game and a false start but Long was the main culprit which has been the case for two seasons now.

    Long’s first mistake was what Trevor Matich was talking about in post game last night when Long didn’t block the DT infront of him which caused Kory to have to come over to try to block the DT late and Kory had to hold him or else there would have been a free DT running right at Kirk. The next two were on the long pass attempts in consecutive plays in the middle of the second quarter to Djax and Reed, each time Long got beat by the DT and Cousins got hit.

    Pretty obvious to me Spencer Long was benched half way through the second quarter, Gruden, McVay and Callahan had obviously seen enough of Long’s mistakes which were putting Cousins’ health in jeopardy. These were the same issues Long had last year when he took over for Lauvao at LG.

    As for if the receivers didn’t drop 5 balls – 2 by Grant, 2 by Reed and 1 by Garcon – Cousins would have thrown for at least 80 more yards in the first half last night, if not as many as 100 given the open field that was infront of Garcon and Grant on their bigges drops.

    If those passes hadn’t been dropped, Cousins would have throw for 288 yards, maybe even 300 plus in one half of football.

    • bangkokben - Aug 27, 2016 at 12:19 PM

      I don’t think Long was replaced for his play but because they wanted to see Lauvao with the ones as well. I’m not saying he had a good game but the reason for the “benching” may have been predetermined. Also, with the ‘Steiger hold on the DT, I see what you saw but who made the protection call? Did Long miss his block or did Kory or Kirk call the wrong protection? Just the other side of the coin. Bottom line, they have to clean that stuff up along with Moses because they won’t always get bailed out by Ed “everything is roughing the passer” Hoculi. Kirk was inaccurate early and made a couple of poor decisions. Shouldn’t thrown to Ross but then again the same route run by Jackson created a canyon of separation. Maybe Ross didn’t sell the route well enough because it’s likely Kirk threw it at the top of the break.

      • abanig - Aug 27, 2016 at 12:28 PM

        Kory is the one making the calls, he’s the Redskins most experienced offensive lineman. Spencer Long didn’t block anyone on the play, at least not the man infront of him. It was clearly a mistake by Long.

        Maybe it was as you say where they wanted Lauvo to get in and play with the starters. By the way, the running game looked better with Lauvao in there but Lauvao doesn’t look like he’s totally game ready yet but I’d much rather have him in there with Long. Long makes mistakes and gets beat at the point of attack in the run game and in pass protection where Lauvao’s mistakes look more like just rust.

        For example. Lauvao had a false start right before Nseke in the redzone at the end of the half. Then, Lauvao was a bit slow blocking the DT on the Cousins TD pass to Garcon at the end of the half and Cousins got pressured, but unlike with Long, I chalk that up to Lauvo missing so much time in the last year rather than with Long where I hair see Long making mental mistakes or getting beat because he just doesn’t have the ability yet to be what a starter needs to be at guard.

        • Mr.moneylover - Aug 27, 2016 at 7:13 PM

          Finally you see what I been saying the whole time…spencer long and Morgan Moses will mess around and get kirk cousins injured jay gruden gotta face it these guys are not capable starters ….but I liked jay gruden face expression last night he was pissed off with the O-line and the drop passes

        • abanig - Aug 27, 2016 at 9:02 PM

          Long I agree he’s an issue. Moses started all last year and this preseason and maybe a handful of times did he totally look horrible. One was last night when he couldn’t block Zo on that spin move but I don’t think Twill could have blocked Zo on that play. Zo looked unblockable on that play.

    • Trey Gregory - Aug 27, 2016 at 5:38 PM

      Long was bad last night. No doubt. I’m glad someone else saw that his mistakes caused Kory to look bad. Only because Kory tried to bail him out. Someone should inform Long that Trent Williams doesn’t need his help when Williams is 1-on-1 with a DE. Block your guy Spencer.

      • abanig - Aug 27, 2016 at 9:04 PM

        That’s right! 100%

    • redskins12thman - Aug 27, 2016 at 9:10 PM

      Do you think Lauvao could start versus Pittsburgh and then Long bail him out if Lauvao can’t go the distance?

      • abanig - Aug 27, 2016 at 9:14 PM

        I think so, but Lauvao would have to start looking pretty tired and out of shape for Long to take over.

        I don’t even see how there is a competition at LG after watching Long’s struggles last year and what I’ve seen of him this year.

      • Trey Gregory - Aug 28, 2016 at 12:41 AM

        Yes. 100%. We brought Lavaou here and gave him that contract for a reason. He should start if he’s healthy enough. The Long experiment has run its course. If nothing else Lavoao has the experience to lean on.

  10. bangkokben - Aug 27, 2016 at 12:10 PM

    Here’s my updated “first cut is the deepest” prediction. Once again apologies to the young men and their families as this is obvious a stressful time for them with a lot at stake.

    Al Bond T
    Cody Booth OL
    Mariel Cooper CB
    Corey Crawford DE
    Shiro Davis LB
    Reggie Diggs WR
    Ejiro Ederaine LB
    Carlos Fields LB
    Jeremy Harris CB
    Joe Kerridge FB
    Josh LeRibeus OL
    Valdez Showers WR
    Jerrell Powe NT
    Jarvis Turner WR
    Kelsey Young RB

    • smotion55 - Aug 27, 2016 at 1:25 PM

      good list and hope LeRibeus is gone with the 1st group. Big disappointment and was hoping Crawford would have got a little better in his second year

    • Trey Gregory - Aug 27, 2016 at 2:39 PM

      I don’t think these guys and their families are reading what we say here ;) If they are then attention Kerrigan, Cravens, Garcon, Hall, and Baker: You guys seem cool. We should hang out. Hit me up on Twitter @Trey_Gregory. You can invite anyone but Ross.

      • bangkokben - Aug 27, 2016 at 6:07 PM

        They shouldn’t be watching the boards but I am sensitive to having sport at someone’s dreams getting crushed.

        • Trey Gregory - Aug 28, 2016 at 4:34 AM

          I’m just giving you a hard time man. It’s all doom and gloom around here. Just that time of the year. Cuts are never fun.

    • redskins12thman - Aug 27, 2016 at 4:17 PM

      I think Carlos Fields makes it to 53 player cut; I wouldn’t be surprised now if Riley is cut Tuesday to allow him a little more time to make another team. Another important consideration is having enough players at certain positions so that no one you want sitting out the Buccaneers game is likely to have to play (e.g., that may be a reason why Cooper is not cut Tuesday)… I haven’t attempted to see what that may look like….

      • bangkokben - Aug 27, 2016 at 6:10 PM

        I was trying to take the position battles into consideration. With the lump of injuries to key players, cutting Riley may be too generous at this point. What if Garvin or Spaight get injured in the finale? Maybe that’s why they keep Fields but he didn’t get a snap count according to the team’s website.

        • redskins12thman - Aug 28, 2016 at 11:14 AM

          Exactly. My hunch is Fields plays the entire fourth preseason game against Tampa Bay; we’ll see if that happens or not.

    • Mr.moneylover - Aug 27, 2016 at 7:03 PM

      I knew they wasnt gonna release jarrell powe they like him alot they want him to get back healthy and see what he can do because rumor is hes a big very strong NT

      • redskins12thman - Aug 28, 2016 at 11:19 AM

        I am curious about Powe; haven’t heard much from him. I don’t know how he is doing relative to Ioannidis but there’s a 7 year difference. Among the DL young guns (22-24), I think Lanier has impressed the most.

    • bangkokben - Aug 27, 2016 at 8:31 PM

      Almost put Willie Jefferson on the list when I saw how little action he got last night. How fast he fell from apparently making the team to first cut. Also missed on receiver Dez Stewart. I thought it would be him or Showers and Diggs not both. Diggs is still safe despite getting very little action this preseason. Sometimes, injuries to “tryout” players are hard to find and assess. Here are my correct picks…so far:

      tackle Al Bond
      tackle Cody Booth
      linebacker Shiro Davis
      linebacker Ejiro Ederaine
      corner Jeremy Harris
      receiver Valdez Showers
      receiver Jarvis Turner
      running back Kelsey Young

      I believe the Redskins still have to make two more moves.

      • redskins12thman - Aug 27, 2016 at 9:12 PM

        Redskins have to make at least 14 cuts by Tuesday; since they made ten this evening, that’s a minimum of 4 more transactions.

        • bangkokben - Aug 28, 2016 at 12:15 AM

          I think the IR guys stop counting against the active roster come Tuesday.

        • redskins12thman - Aug 28, 2016 at 11:22 AM

          That’s my sense too; however I think those on the PUP still count against the roster count total until final 53 cut.

  11. smotion55 - Aug 27, 2016 at 12:14 PM

    Baker and Kerrigan did not play last night and that made a big difference in the run defense, and my biggest concern is as was before the draft. NT, C, and RB and feel they will get better at RB by the 1st week of the regular season. Stork also had a neck injury last year with the concussion and maybe tried to come back to early. A fresh start might be just what skins and Stork need, because Steiger stunk it up with real bad penalties and getting knocked backwards all night. There might be an older NT that gets on waivers or we can get or even trade for 1 after final cuts.
    The GM now has had a real good look at what we have with last nights film. I would assume he was watching film real early this morning, and these next couple of weeks should be a very active period for the GM, scouts and this team.
    As for receivers and Ross and Grant, I would be alright with Harris and Thorpe or Kendall Thompson making the team if they make changes, or at least the practice squad, and Ross should never get put in Punt or Kickoff teams EVER again. He never goes forward even when he catches passes always gets knocked backwards. Him and Grant always seem to play scared. With Josh Doctson coming back soon they will be loaded at receiver anyway..
    I do believe the coaches soft, lets not get hurt approach to camp has shown up on the field and on film and these guys are not anywhere close to being ready for Pittsburg to start the season. Setting themselves up for a major blowout if they don’t step it up big time in the next 2 weeks. Both lines are getting there Asses Kicked.

    • Trey Gregory - Aug 27, 2016 at 2:34 PM

      Just to clarify, you know Kerrigan played the first series right? Were you just saying he didn’t play most of the night?

      If Ross doesn’t field kicks then there’s not spot for him on the team. He’s a bad WR with average kick return skills. I’m all for cutting him though.

      I completely agree that were paying the price for Gruden’s gentle approach. I’m a Gruden fan, I just think this was a failed experiment.

      But for the life of me I can’t understand why people keep saying Kory was getting blown off the ball. Is this something people just repeat because they read HogsHaven’s BS all offseason? Or do you guys not realize O-linemen purposely step backward in pass protection? I saw a play where Long messed up and a guy blew through the middle and figured everyone would blame Kory, but that was on Long. So can you please tell me where Kory got pushed back so much so I can go back and watch what you guys see? What time in what quarter? The penalties were bad but can be cleaned up. It’s a whole different thing to say he got pushed back all night.

  12. Skulb - Aug 27, 2016 at 12:48 PM

    I thought Fuller looked better than he has so far. In fact the defense in general looks like it might be pretty good. I guess we’ll find out.

    • Trey Gregory - Aug 27, 2016 at 2:21 PM

      This might sound stupid but I was so relieved to see Norman playing like a true top CB. My normal setting is skeptical. I would worry about a free agent acquisition like this anyway. But I wanted him to shut everyone up about all this damn offseason nonsense about not being any good without an interior pass rush. I didn’t want to hear the “see I told you so” comments from every idiot out there. He looked great.

      I haven’t seen the whole game yet. Slowly working my way toward the end of the first quarter. But so far:

      Smith looked great (outside of one baffling run play where he let someone nudge him from his gal without any fight).
      Kerrigan looked great in very limited time.
      Even Murphy looked good as long as you keep it in perspective. He looked good for Murphy.

      I haven’t really noticed Fuller yet but I’ll keep an eye out. Breeland looks good so far. And Hall might end up being a really nice safety for us. The key here is the pass rush. Kerrigan and Smith HAVE to stay healthy. If they do, this D can be a lot better than 2015’s

  13. smotion55 - Aug 27, 2016 at 1:52 PM

    1st 15 with a thought of doing a few of these guys a favor maybe get picked up


    Lichtensteiger [ if they sigh Stork ]



    Al Bond

    Cody Booth

    Mariel Cooper

    Shiro Davis

    Jeremy Harris

    Nila Kasitati

    Valdez Showers

    Dez Stewart

    Jarvis Turner

    Isaiah Williams

    Kelsey Young

    • Trey Gregory - Aug 27, 2016 at 2:28 PM

      We can’t afford to do anyone any favors. If last night proved anything it should be that injuries can strike at any time. Riley and Paulsen are the last guys to get cut, if they get cut at all.

      Say you cut Paulsen, a team claims him, then Paul breaks his ankle in practice. Oops.

      Or you cut Riley, team claims him, and Foster gets in a car accident. Or tears a pec in the weight room. Or any other of 100 scenarios. You’ll want Riley. Patience is key for building NFL teams.

      And I still don’t think Paulsen should get cut. Paul can’t block. It’s becoming more and more apparent. Maybe the correct move would be to designate Paul a WR (which is what he really is), cut Ross’ good for nothing self, and have Paulsen as the 3rd TE. We can’t go into this season with an ancient Vernon Davis as the only blocking TE on this team. He’s not a better blocker than Paulsen and we’re screwed (just like last year) if Davis goes down.

      • redskins12thman - Aug 27, 2016 at 4:59 PM

        With the limited amount of returnable kick-offs, its making that role by far the least important on an NFL squad.

      • bangkokben - Aug 27, 2016 at 8:08 PM

        Speaking of injury, where’s my props for the Tony Romo prediction? Nobody wants anyone to get hurt but first contact and his back is broken? I expected it go at some point this season but at first contact? No way. Six to ten weeks and all we hear is how Dallas will be okay because Dak Prescott has arrived and surely Elliot will gain 3000 yards behind that monster line. The blue star always gets the benefit of the doubt. Any other perpetually mediocre team would be crushed with skepticism, yet Dallas is buoyed with an opportunity to see their future now. Would be just like them to fail forward.

        • Trey Gregory - Aug 28, 2016 at 4:40 AM

          You were the first person I thought of when Romo went down. I told myself “well, I guess I better own up to having too much faith in Romo.”

          I’m actually thinking about writing a column about how everyone needs to chill with Dak. How he really hasn’t looked that great so far. But I wrote one that caused quite the stir just two days ago so I’m still debating causing another raucous so soon after. I’ll shoot it your way if I do though.

        • bangkokben - Aug 28, 2016 at 8:02 AM

          Let them have their optimism. I’m skeptical because it’s preseason but even still they’re probably better off then had Moore not injured his ankle or had Jerry got to draft Lynch.

        • Trey Gregory - Aug 28, 2016 at 12:34 PM

          Hm. Interesting. Dak vs. Lynch. Because I think Lynch could be real good. Not that Dak can’t.

          Dak’s passes are just wildly innacurate. I mean he’s delivering the ball FEET away from where it’s supposed to go. He wouldn’t look as good if he didn’t have all pro receivers like Dez and Whitten to bail him out. There’s no way he already knows how to real NFL defenses and can do as well as Romo. This guy is going to come crashing back down to earth, through no fault of his own, but just because fans get WAY too excited if stupid stuff.

    • redskins12thman - Aug 27, 2016 at 5:02 PM

      I’m still holding out hope that Paulsen is a Redskins. Even if Stork is signed, I think Lichtensteiger is a Redskin for this season too.

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  15. redskins12thman - Aug 27, 2016 at 5:36 PM

    Here’s my revised list of desired practice squad players (I believe only up to 4 2nd year players can make it)

    Mack Brown (1 spot)

    Marcel Jensen (2nd year) – 1 spot

    Lynden Trail – 1 spot

    Antony Lanier or Matt Ioannidis and Corey Crawford (1 or 2 spots) – Lanier is outplaying Ioannidis; if neither make 53, then both sought for practice squad

    Arie Kouandjio (2nd year) or Takoby Cofield (1 spot) – There’s a slight chance Kouandijo doesn’t make 53 in which case he’s practice squad candidate

    Maurice Harris and / or T.J. Thorpe; dark horse Kendal Thompson (1 or 2 spots)

    Deshazor Everett (2nd year) and / or Geno Matias-Smith (1 or 2 spots – may take two safeties and 0 CBs)

    Lloyd Carrington or dark horse Mariel Cooper (0 or 1 spot) – depends on what they decide / happens with safeties

    Carlos Fields (2nd year) – 0 or 1 spot – thought he would be on practice squad for a long time so won’t be surprised if he’s on it (instead of either Crawford, Thorpe or Matias-Smith)

    Best guess: Brown, Jensen, Trail, Ioannidis, Crawford, Cofield, Harris, Thorpe, Everett, Matias-Smith

    • goback2rfk - Aug 28, 2016 at 12:42 AM

      huh. lol

    • redskins12thman - Aug 28, 2016 at 11:24 AM

      I think another club will claim Jensen; Redskins are in danger of losing Everett too. Archives

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