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Need to Know: Are there Redskins roster spots for Toler, Sudfeld?

Aug 14, 2016, 5:51 AM EDT

Sudfeld passing vs Falcons

RICHMOND—Here is what you need to know on this Sunday, August 14, five days before the Washington Redskins play the New York Jets at FedEx Field.


Today’s schedule: Walkthrough 10:35; Jay Gruden news conference 2:45; Practice 3 p.m.; player availability after both sessions

—The Redskins last played a game that counted 217 days ago. It will be 29 days until they host the Steelers in their 2016 season opener.

Days until: Final roster cut 20; Cowboys @ Redskins 35; Browns @ Redskins 49

The Redskins week that was

With the Redskins on the verge of wrapping up training camp here’s are some of my impressions of what has taken place over the last two and a half weeks here in Richmond.

—Preston Smith left practice early last Tuesday with a slight shoulder injury. Plenty of players who are locked on to the roster would have used the shoulder as an excuse to sit out preseason game No. 1. But Smith did some rehab to get his shoulder ready and played 18 snaps on Thursday. He even came in for a while in the second quarter long after the other starters had departed. Smith said that he wanted to get some “extra reps”. You have to like the second-year players mindset.

—Greg Toler recorded an interception today and made a few other plays. He is making things very difficult on the coaches. To keep him they will either have to cut Quinton Dunbar or Dashaun Phillips or go with six corners. The latter is hard to justify when you already have two safeties, Hall and Blackmon, who played corner their entire careers until this year.

—Last week Matt Jones said that he worked a lot on lowering his pad level over the offseason. He has not done it much during training camp; Jones still runs upright. But last year he was admonished for lowering his pads in practice. It was a little too rough and dangerous for a limited-contact practice.  He only got two carries in Atlanta so it’s hard to tell if he really has changed his style. Green said that they want to “get him going” next week against the Jets so maybe we’ll get a chance to see.

—Did Nate Sudfeld lock up a spot on the 53-man roster against the Falcons? There has been plenty of speculation that the Redskins will go with two quarterbacks on the 53-man roster and hope that they can keep Sudfeld on the practice squad. But for a stretch in the third and fourth quarters the rookie looked better than he has at any point in training camp. You could picture him getting the team through a bad spot if disaster struck at the quarterback position during the season. Even considering that the opposition was the Falcons’ third teamers that was a respectable performance.

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  1. redskins12thman - Aug 14, 2016 at 6:34 AM

    Off of your 2nd 53 player projection, the Redskins could have Sudfeld in lieu of the 9th O-lineman Cofield; some of the cross-training that Callahan is doing helps with this decision.

    By all accounts, Toler is playing well and if you had to choose between him and Dunbar right now, Toler seems to be the better player. Still, I foresee the Redskins keeping both, because of the upside they see in Dunbar. Jefferson would be the player off. Murphy coming back to play OLB enables this decision.

    The other player to shine brightly who is not on your 53 player projection is Ziggy Hood. If he plays his way onto the 53 player roster, who then is on the outside looking in?

    • Rich Tandler - Aug 14, 2016 at 6:45 AM

      @Redskins12th, Murphy moving to OLB takes care of a roster spot for Hood. Murphy replaces Willie Jefferson and Hood replaces Murphy.

      Will do another projection either just before or just after Jets game. Still not sure if Toler will be on it. You put him on the roster, as many do, and you keep Dunbar but you don’t say how six corners fit or makes any sense. Dealing in reality, it’s a tough call.

      • redskins12thman - Aug 14, 2016 at 10:30 AM

        Get your point and look forward to seeing next roster cut. I think Dunbar is eligible for practice squad so hopefully that will work out for him.

        Don’t know if these guys will clear waivers, but practice squad battles updated:

        Carlos Fields (2nd year, a virtual lock)

        Willie Jefferson (2nd year) or Lynden Trail (1 spot)

        Quinton Dunbar (lead, 2nd year) over Lloyd Carrington or Mariel Cooper (1 spot)

        Deshazor Everett (2nd year) or Geno Matias-Smith (1 spot)

        Corey Crawford or Antony Lanier (1 spot)

        Marcel Jensen (2nd year, his spot to lose)

        Takoby Cofield (his spot to lose) or Kevin Bowen

        Mack Brown and Keith Marshall (1 spot)

        Maurice Harris (lead) or T.J. Thorpe (1 spot)

        Then, I think they’ll take BPA for remaining spot; perhaps two RBs.

        I believe they can only take up to 4 second year players and there are now 5 listed above.

      • Trey Gregory - Aug 16, 2016 at 2:57 PM

        Do the coaches really like Phillips that much where they wouldn’t just keep Dunbar and Toler and cut him?

        Norman, Breeland, and Fuller seem like a good starting lineup. Then Toler as the first backup, Dunbar as a young developmental players (they have to develop young talent) and Blackmon/Hall as emergency corners. That’s a much better CB position than a lot of teams have.

        • rtcwon - Aug 16, 2016 at 3:15 PM

          Apples & Oranges. Toler & Dunbar are outside CBs while Phillips has beaten out Fuller for slot corner.

          Breeland is the only of the four outside corners that can slide in and play slot. So to me, keeping two slot corners is advantageous. The question is do you keep a fourth outside guy & if not, who’s out, Toler or Dunbar? But as I said above, the best 53 would be 6 CBs and one less OL.

  2. abanig - Aug 14, 2016 at 6:50 AM

    Of course there are. If Dunbar does not play better over the next three playoff games, Toler will make it over him. I do not see us keeping 6 corners.

    With Galette’s injury, that opens up another roster spot as well so Sudfeld will make it. I don’t know how you don’t keep Sudfeld. It looks like he could be at worst our future back up in a few years when Colt is gone. I’d keep him over having one more player in another position group.

    • Harry fullerton - Aug 14, 2016 at 3:47 PM


    • Trey Gregory - Aug 16, 2016 at 3:00 PM

      Sudfield looked surprisingly good for a rookie 6th round pick in his first game. Probably would have been a different story if he played better competition, but the potential is obvious. I would keep in on the roster over someone like LeRibus, Reiter or Cofield any day of the week. And they’ll be glad he’s around, at least as a backup or trading chip, if the Cousins negotiations go south.

      • abanig - Aug 16, 2016 at 6:19 PM

        They should keep 9 OL. I hope they keep Reiter over Leribeus as the back up center.

        LT: Twill, Nsekhe
        LG: Lauvao, Long
        C: Kory L, Reiter
        RG: Scherff, Kuandijo
        RT: Moses

        Sudfeld makes it Imo as the third QB and plays the RG3 role of cheerleader and asks questions while on the sideline so he can learn.

        • Trey Gregory - Aug 16, 2016 at 8:21 PM

          Yeah. I should have specified. Although I’m very, very low on Reiter I would probably rather keep him around than Leribus. Leribus looks like a competitive eater more than a football player out there.

          I’m also thinking Sudfield goes to the practice squad. I love his measurables, potential, and what he displayed Thursday night. But we need that roster spot. Especially with the dilemmas we have at CB, OL, and maybe DL. I just personally don’t think anyone would grab him off waivers. There’s too many other guys like him out there. He has potential, but a long way to go. And, unless I’m mistaken, if a team claimed him off waivers they would have to put him on the active roster. That seems unlikely to me. I don’t mean that as an insult to Sudfield, I think it’s just where he is in his development. I won’t be upset with how they handle it either way though. I get it from both sides.

        • abanig - Aug 16, 2016 at 8:34 PM

          I don’t think I’d risk losing Sudfeld by cutting him. I’m pretty sure someone would sign him to their roster before we could put him on our practice squad.

          I don’t think we have dilemmas with the top 4 corners, it’s 5-7.

          Same with the DL, we have a better group than people give us credit for. I think we keep 7 DL because they deserve the spots and Ioannidis is our 5th round draft pick and only young DL worth keeping on the 53 man roster. If we hadn’t just drafted Ioannidis, I think we’d keep only 6 DL:

          RDE: RJF, Reyes
          NT: Golston, Hood
          LDE: Baker, Paea

        • Trey Gregory - Aug 16, 2016 at 10:15 PM

          No I hear you on all those guys. But those roster spots have to come from somewhere. So let’s go down the list saying we keep 3 QBs and 7 DL.

          QB: Cousins, McClou, Sudfield (3)
          WR: Jackson, Garcon, Crowder, Grant, Ross, Doctson. (6)
          RBs: Jones, Thomson, and whoever wins the 3rd spot (3)
          TEs: Reed, Davis, Paul, Paylsen (4)
          OL: Williams, Long, Kory L., Lauvao, Kouandjo, Scherff, Moses, Ty N., and Cofield (9)

          DL: Baker, Golston, Jean Francois, Reyes, Ioannidis, Paea, Hood (7)
          OLB: Smith, Kerrigan, Murphy, Bates (or whoever) (4)
          ILB: Compton, Foster, Riley, Spaight, Cravens, Garvin (6)
          CB: Norman, Breeland, Fuller, Dunbar, Phillips (5)
          Safety: Hall, Bruton, Ihenacho, Blackmon (4)
          Specialists: Way, Hopkins, Sundberg (3)

          That’s 54. Who are we kicking off? Rich booted the 4th TE but I can’t do that. I’m all in on Paulsen right now. And, the 4th TE is also our FB. Notice no Toler, Reiter, or LeRibus. Just to name a couple.

          To me, the obvious thing to do is try and put Sudfield on the practice squad. I genuinely don’t think he would get claimed. However, if that’s not an option, then we’re probably cutting Hood, Dunbar, or Phillips. Dunbar or Phillips are probably the cut because we have 2 safties who are also CBs. And since Phillips is the backup slot guy, it’s probably Dunbar. I’m not sure Sudfield is worth losing Dunbar.

        • abanig - Aug 17, 2016 at 9:13 AM

          Good point, I hear ya. Man, I guess I didn’t do the math very well.

          I would say we should trade Riley then for anything. As much as I don’t want to trade him, teams like the Bills are in desperate need of LBs and will at least give us a late round pick for him.

          As for the OL, I personally would keep Reiter over Cofield. We need to have a back up center and I’m not impressed by Spencer long at all. It must be his leverage/form because he’s our biggest guard (6’4, 325) and he gets pushed around like a rag doll. I can deal with Kory L not being the strongest at the point of attack – he’s 6’2, 290/295 – Long has absolutely ZERO excuse. Nsekhe can play both OT spots, so can Moses and Scherff can play both OT spots if things really went in the crapper. Our interior OL, especially center needs to be reinforced and the person who could do that and has shown some upside but still needs development is Reiter. Leribeus is a lost cause, he needs to go. Cofield can go onto the practice squad again.

          As for the corners, I think they need to keep 5. They need those guys for special teams. My heart says Dunbar is the #5 guy, my head and mind says Toler needs to make it over him because Toler is a starting quality corner in the NFL if he’s healthy and to have him as your #4 or 5 corner is just a blessing.

          I think Phillips will be our slot guy this year and I know people don’t want to hear this opinion but I think Fuller is our #5 corner and he may not even dress some games because he just doesn’t look confident out there right now with his knee.

        • Trey Gregory - Aug 17, 2016 at 2:05 PM

          I wasn’t sure about the math either. That’s why I listed it out like that. So we could see. Really I thought it proved your point. We could keep 3 QBs and 9 DL and still only need to cut one other player we like. Not bad.

          Excellent point about Phillips and Fuller. I honestry don’t know why I didn’t think about that sooner. But it’s not unreasonable for Fuller to need a year to develop and just be a good backup for us.

          As far as Reiter…. I don’t know there. I understand your point but tackles are always going to trump guards and centers. At worst a tackle has to block on his own and the interior guys help each other. And the best pass rushers on the defense are almost always going against the tackles. I just kind of think a roster spot for a true backup center (and not someone who can play any other position) is a luxury we can’t afford. To me, the swing tackle (Ty) is essential. Then the it her backup RT is pretty important. So I would want to cut Kouandjo, Long, or Lauvao to make room for Reiter. Kouandjo has not impressed me at all, but neither has Reiter. Still, I would cut Ari if someone told me to make room for Reiter.

  3. abanig - Aug 14, 2016 at 6:57 AM

    I don’t think Dunbar makes it unless he really plays a lot better the rest of the preseason games.

    Toler & Phillips will be the 4th and 5th corners IMO. They’re also good special teams players.

    I don’t like the idea of not keeping 9 OL so I think Cofield makes it. I’d also have Reiter on the team over LeRibeus.

    • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Aug 14, 2016 at 7:49 AM

      Greg Toler is 31, though. And he’s basically been just a guy at CB.

      Not sure it makes sense to give up on Dunbar for what Toler gives us.

      • Marco - Aug 14, 2016 at 8:10 AM

        I think the same about Toler/Dunbar

        If the Redskins don’t find a spot for Sudfeld, another team will, which means if something happen mid-season we will be looking for a QB in desperation and we will end up with Cassel or worst…

        • Rich Tandler - Aug 14, 2016 at 9:46 AM

          That gets said about (fill in the blank) player every August and rarely do teams claim players on last cuts, especially a QB who would then have to go straight on to the 53 and learn the offense from scratch.

          Not saying that it can’t happen and the Redskins would have to be prepared to bring in another QB immediately. But it is unlikely unless Sudfeld really lights it up (and it that happens, he probably will stay on the 53).

      • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Aug 14, 2016 at 8:46 AM

        On the other foot, here’s John Keim:

        “Later, on a deep pass down the left side to tight end Vernon Davis, Toler turned just as the ball arrived and outfought Davis as he fell to the ground, after a slight bobble. Toler’s experience will come in handy if anything happens to the starters. He’s the primary reason I expect them to keep six cornerbacks this season.”

      • COSSkinsFan - Aug 14, 2016 at 10:43 AM

        I agree we shouldn’t give up on Dunbar’so potential. Before we signed Norman I thought he might challenge to start because I never thought we’d keep Cully. It appears I was way off but it was only one game. Anyway Rich do you think there are any trade scenarios that could happen with us trading a wr or CB for a C, rb or dline? Do you think it’s likely that Maurice Harris can displace grant or Ross if a trade comes along?

        • Trey Gregory - Aug 16, 2016 at 3:04 PM

          I can’t think of any CBs or WRs we have, who we would be willing to part with and another team would want to give something up for.

          Our best hope for a trade is probably to trade someone like Paea or Riley (big contracts we want to unload) for a RB who was going to get cut anyway. That way each team doesn’t have to worry about waivers or free agency. But why would any other team want those contracts too? A trade that doesn’t involve us shipping out draft picks just seems highly unlikely.

      • abanig - Aug 14, 2016 at 2:23 PM

        Well, he hasn’t been playing like “just a guy” all training camp and in the first preseason game. He and Phillips have outplayed Dunbar.

        Let’s not forget that before Toler had injury issues with the Colts he was one of the most sought after free agent corners in the NFL during the 2013 free agent period. Many Redskins fans were disappointed we couldn’t sign him then.

  4. You like that! - Aug 14, 2016 at 8:38 AM

    I can see Sudfeld outplaying Colt,and Colt is gone after next three games..js

    • Rich Tandler - Aug 14, 2016 at 9:43 AM

      Two words–not happening.

    • Mr.moneylover - Aug 14, 2016 at 11:58 AM

      Nate is progressing well but with his arm talent jay gruden wanna make sure hes ready within 2 or 3 years colt McCoy got a 3 year deal he’s not going nowhere no time soon but in the future if kirk cousins don’t pan out I can see competition between those 2 guys

    • Trey Gregory - Aug 16, 2016 at 3:08 PM

      I feel bad for Colt. Genuinely. He’s not starter material but he’s probably a top-5 (10 at the least) backup QB. Which isn’t something to write home about but it’s still respectable and important to the team. He can win a game or two if he has to.But the guy gets no love. I’m very comfortable with him as the backup but would cringe every time Cousins takes a sack if Sidfield was our backup. No disrespect to Nate, it’s just that he’s a rookie 6th round pick.

      • abanig - Aug 17, 2016 at 9:33 AM

        Yeah, here’s where I feel bad for Colt, look at Cleveland’s QB history just over the past 6 since they drafted Colt in 2010. Colt was not that horrible in Cle, he was just developing. They changed coaches and GMs/Owner after his 2nd year and then dumped him. Colt is better than Weeden and Manziel. Colt should still be Cle’s starting QB and if he was, they’d probably be a .500 team or near it instead of constantly drafting top 5 the past 4/5 years.

        It’s sad. That’s where I feel bad for Colt. He should be Cle’s starter today and should have been for the past 6 years. Cle would be better today if Colt had been their starter for the past 6 years.

        My uncle and cousin are huge Cle fans in Ohio and they say the same thing.

        • Trey Gregory - Aug 17, 2016 at 2:15 PM

          I’m not convinced Colt is starter material, but going to Cleveland certainly didn’t help. His arm strength is an issue for me. We’ve seen guys overcome stuff like that with time, but he never got that time. Still, those who overcome it usually have some other extraordinary quality that I just don’t see with Colt. I like him, and I’m rooting for him, I just don’t see it. He was a phenomenal college QB but just doesn’t seem right for the pros. He regularly under throws receivers on the deep ball and can’t throw across his body. Especially if he’s rolling out.

          But he does all the other stuff well. In the very small sample we’ve had the past couple years he seems to take care of the ball (mostly), understand the offense, and understand how to read defenses. I don’t doubt that he’s better than a couple young starters every year. But I do doubt that he’s any team’s future. So those teams are wise to give the young guys a chance.

          I feel bad that Colt didn’t get as good of a chance as someone like Brady or Rogers, but he still got a fair shot. You’re right about the turnover in Cleveland but someone would have given him another starting shot if he showed he had it. I mostly feel bad that people don’t respect him for what he is: a really good backup. He’s smart, takes the job serious, and plays well in a pinch. In perspective, he’s probably top 40 in the world at his job. That’s pretty respectable. But people still say he sucks.

          Side note: as a Baylor alumni/fan I’m practically obligated to be a bandwagon Cleveland fan this year. They have 4 of some of the best players to ever come through Waco on that team (Gordon, RG3, Coleman, and Drango). Plus they play Cinci twice a year, who drafted Andrew Billings (my personal fav Baylor football player). So I’ll be suffering with your family as I root for my guys on the Browns.

        • abanig - Aug 17, 2016 at 7:11 PM

          Colt = Rich Gannon imo or at least that’s his highest upside. Like you said he doesn’t have the arm strength to be an elite qb who can sling it 30+ yds on a rope on a tight window but if he’d in a west coast offense that’s predicated on short quick passes that are needed in rhythm he can do similar to what Kirk did minus the deep accuracy/passes.

        • Trey Gregory - Aug 18, 2016 at 12:46 AM

          Physically, there shouldn’t be any reason Colt can’t run a true version of Bill Walsh’s west coast. I kind of question how many teams truly run that type of system anymore though. I think “West Coast” has become just a blanket term for a really complicated way to call a play.

          So I don’t know if Colt has ever really ran a system like that as a starter (I didn’t watch much of him in Cleveland. That was before my fantasy football days). But there is a certain cerebral quality required. Colt seems like a sharp guy and all, but you never know until they do it. Still, he does seem to operate just fine out of Gruden’s system.

          I just have to think that somebody would have picked him up if he truly had starting chops. He was a free agent this past offseason and there are multiple teams in dire need of a QB. I know McCarthy runs a true Walsh West Coast (or very close to it). I want to say Andy Reed does too but he also is very willing to change systems to fit his QB. But they both have established starters and I can’t think of any oft her Walsh disciples who run that system off the top of my head.

  5. Eli - Aug 14, 2016 at 9:06 AM

    -Preston Smith sounds like a really hard worker with a good degree of humility. It would be great if he could get to ten sacks in his second season.

    -It’s refreshing to finally have secondary depth.

    -It was hard, albeit a preseason game, to watch Alfred Morris get positive yards on each carry last night, even when holes were non-existent, when this year’s Skins feature RB is mulling whether to run upright or not. Morris’ production was in decline but he’s being paid close to the league minimum.

    • sidepull - Aug 14, 2016 at 10:48 AM

      I am with you Eli. Cant stand it that we lose Alf and to the doggone Cowpukes no less.

      • wncskinsfan - Aug 15, 2016 at 1:37 PM

        yep< i watched that, letting Alf go was a mistake. I didn't need to see the game to know that. The coaches seem to have this fantasy vision of all RB catching passes . . . how about running the friggin ball? forward?

        • Trey Gregory - Aug 16, 2016 at 3:16 PM

          You should watch that game though. He started so you only have to watch the first couple min. Morris looked good man. I can’t help but be happy for the guy. I hope he rushed for 5,000 yards this year. If the Cowboys beat us, it won’t just be because of him.

          He was declining (although I could argue that) but he was still reliable. We could have kept him for next to nothing or used that fourth round pick on a more promising rookie prospect. McCloughan gets a little too cute in the draft for my taste. We could have not traded last year and had Tyler Lockett and Jeremy Langford over Crowder and Jones. As much as I like Crowder, Lockett has just as much potential if not more. He was a better version of Crowder coming out of college. And I like Langford a hell of a lot better than Jones right now. But McCloughan wants 30 7th round picks!

          It will be difficult not to watch all the DTs and RBs taken after our pick in the fourth round and think about what we could be missing out on. Maybe they all suck and McCloughan made a great choice, but maybe not. I was not very impressed with Ioannidis vs Atlanta. Yeah, it was his first game. But he was playing scrubs and looked like a scrub. It’s going to be a long season if we can’t run or stop the run.

  6. winningfootballblog - Aug 14, 2016 at 9:13 AM

    Well lucky Redskins….they don’t have to cut ANYBODY this week. Its just a little early to cut folks based on everybody playing 2 minutes in the 1st sloppy preseason game which is really nothing but a scrimmage.

    Let the cut speculation begin after this Friday night because next week its going to get real.

  7. bangkokben - Aug 14, 2016 at 10:21 AM

    I’m not so sure about Toler. It seems as if he gets beat and then is able to make a play on the ball due to the QB throwing it behind his receiver. If my speculation is accurate, then he doesn’t make the team. Film will show exactly that to the coaches. During the real games the timing between QB and receiver will be much crisper and these getting his hands in the last split second will look like a guy being a step too slow and allowing a big gain. Just saying what I saw in two plays of a preseason game. I’m not at practice.

    Despite the dawning of the Nate Sudfeld era, he’s on the practice squad. It would take some time but if anyone doubts this hypothesis, take a look at all 32 teams’ QB depth charts. Then figure if they’re a team that traditionally keeps two or three QBs. Look to see if they have a legit starter, a veteran back-up, and a 4th round or higher draft pick within the past two drafts. By process of elimination determine which teams are looking for a 3rd string QB and who are the likely QBs that would be available and rank Sudfeld in that group. The chances of another team swiping him are super low. Every team has drafted their guys, signed their competition, installed their offenses, and gone through the entire off-season program — including four preseason games and cutting 37 players that they’ve invested in.

    • Trey Gregory - Aug 16, 2016 at 3:20 PM

      You’re absolutely correct about Sudfield and the practice squad. Look at some of the QBs drafted much higher last year who made it through waivers. Brice Petty and Garrett Grayson are two that come to mind. Not sure if Brett Hunley went to the practice squad.

      Not every team is like Dallas. Most already have a young QB they’re trying to develop every year. I like Sudfield’s potential. But if he gets claimed, there’s other guys like him out there.

  8. Mr.moneylover - Aug 14, 2016 at 11:47 AM

    If you watch the game multiple times you see Spencer long not moving with the rest of the O-line …he’s good in pass protection but that’s about it…he’s not ready to be a starter yet he had the same problem last year and the coaches thought he would improve but he didn’t he showed the same problem like last year… Arie kouandjiou need to be Shawn lauvao backup and they need to get a new center because if Kory l can’t stay healthy against the falcons then he damn sure ain’t got a chance against the steelers because they a more physical team the falcons team…some advice to jay gruden I know you like certain guys but wake up and notice that some of the guys you like holding up the team from bein good to great… Let Spencer long not show improvement from year 1 to year 2 with the patriots he will get cut so fast his head will spend …patriots cut a guy off just fumbling a punt last year next day he was no long on the team..if I’m head coach I’m not favoring nobody IDC if you got 100 mill IDC if you a 10 year vet if you not running my s*** at a high level idos amigos or you gonna be on the bench asking players if they need Gatorade

  9. Mr.moneylover - Aug 14, 2016 at 11:53 AM

    Jay gruden was really shocked and very happy at the progress at Nate Sudfeld I read his lips to the QB saying wtf is doing with this kid are kidding me in a joking way couldnt make out at what the QB coach was saying but he said something and they both got a good laugh out of it jay gruden try to play it down in his press conference but I can tell you he very Happy with Nate progress and I think he will definitely be on the 53 man roster

  10. rtcwon - Aug 14, 2016 at 12:31 PM

    I’ve finally been able to rewatch the game so ready to weigh in on the hot topics with my two cents. First, how come there’s no all 22 for preseason?

    Dunbar did not have as bad a game as most seem to think. The first long ball was not on him. Flat out, it was Blackmon’s man. They probably have some rules that tweak but strict cover 3 (they played it all game, not a single snap in man) would say Toler was Blackmon’s help, while Dunbar was Ihenacho’s help on the cross that Blackmon bit on. The second one, it looked like to me, Dunbar ran to a spot, presumably the Skins run that route flatter than Robinson did and after weeks of going against them, expected the ball/receiver to be there but couldn’t find Schaub’s poor throw. Regardless, Blackmon overall had a much worse game than Dunbar.

    LeRibeus was the RG with the twos and did not get a single snap at center so thankfully that experience is over. Cofield seems to be the eighth best OL but do you keep two back up tackles and only one interior guy?

    Anyways, looking at the back end of the roster, there is way more value and upside on the D side so I now think the O gives an extra spot to the D making it 24/26.

    The top 21 (6WR, 2QB, 4TE, 2RB, 7OL) on O are certain and they got to have at least 3RB, so to me, Cofield, Arie, LeRibeus, Sudfield & 4th RB are fighting for two spots. The other day, someone made the point that to poach a QB from the PS, you have to think he is better than your current back up this season.

    On D, I’m real curious to see the DL rotation against the Jets cause Hood & Reyes ran with the ones and twos while Paea & RJF were relegated to the twos and threes. I think the top 6 are pretty set but their rank within seems up for grabs. And while we are talking about the low probably of PS poaching, are we certain the rookie makes the 53?

    Lastly, Everett gives so much on teams, I think Blackmon is in a bigger battle than most seem to think for the 10th DB.

    • bangkokben - Aug 14, 2016 at 3:44 PM

      Good points! As for the offense, they’ve kept 9OL the last couple of years. This year they’re likely to keep eight. I’m sure Arie is safe and LeRibeus is not. It remains to be seen about Lichtensteiger and Lauvao although Kory is a lock if he doesn’t get injured. Assuming they’re both on, then it’s: Williams, Lauvao, Lichtensteiger, Scherff, Moses, Nsekhe, Long, Koundjio, and I think they keep nine with Cofield. I think they keep 5TE since there is no need for a fullback. They usually had just three tailbacks so I expect that to be the case this year especially since they don’t plan on platooning the carries. (2QB, 3RB, 5TE, 6WR, and 9OL) I see that as the way the roster breaks down on offense and am clueless how they sort out the 25 on defense. In all likelihood, injury is likely to be the deciding factor. One interesting rule change is that teams can bring back any one player from IR no longer a designated player.

    • redskins12thman - Aug 14, 2016 at 5:37 PM

      I think Sudfeld and Arie make the 24.

      Interesting about Blackmon’s position not being secure. Like Dunbar, I thought Blackmon was in contention for a spot but not guaranteed one. Right now, Blackmon was behind Crowder in terms of returning punts.

      Not sure what bangkokben meant by “teams can bring back any one player from IR no longer a designated player.” Can someone elaborate on this point?

      • COSSkinsFan - Aug 14, 2016 at 8:09 PM

        I have posted this a few times here, when they resigned Blackmon I scratched my head. I lived in Michigan when he was with the Packers so i saw a lot of him and and wasn’t impressed. Last year it seemed liked every time there was a long completion or deep interference call it would be on Blackmon. I hoped that he would be a better at safety, but I’m not seeing it. I would rather go with a young, cheaper guy with potential.

      • whitennerdy898 - Aug 15, 2016 at 11:37 PM

        Previously, a player was only eligible to return from IR if they were designated as such when they were put on IR. Now, there is no designation; any one player can return from the IR during the season.

        For example, say that last year Lichtensteinger never got healthy. The team designated him to return, but if he can’t, the one designation is wasted. This season, in the same situation, you don’t have the chance of burning the designation on a player that ends up not being able to return.

        • Trey Gregory - Aug 16, 2016 at 3:36 PM

          To clarify though, theybhave to designate that player as “eligible to return” as soon as he goes on IR though right? Can’t just wait around and see who gets healthy?

        • Rich Tandler - Aug 16, 2016 at 6:17 PM

          @Trey Gregory, Rule tweaked this year, not necessary to designate for return. Any player on IR can return after the designated time, although I’m unclear if that player needed to the on the 53 after final cuts before being put on IR. But there is no more designation.

        • Trey Gregory - Aug 16, 2016 at 8:01 PM

          Wow. That’s kind of huge. Thanks Rich. I’ll have time to do some reading later tonight. I’ll see if I can find out about if they needed to be on the 53 after final cuts.

    • Trey Gregory - Aug 16, 2016 at 3:31 PM

      I wish I would have taken notes because I’ve been saying “I can’t exactly remember but I think,” a lot since I rewatched that game. But I could have sworn Leribus took at least one snap at center later in the game. Maybe I’m wrong though.

      Anyway. I’m almost positive they played a little man coverage. You never really know unless you hear the playcall. But teams do disguise looks to confuse QBs. And the Redskins do run some plays with their safties/LBs in zone and corners in man. On the first deep ball Dunbar lined up facing the sideline. Usually guys in zone face the QB to watch him. If they’re in man they don’t have to watch the QB. They face the receiver because he’s the only guy they have to worry about. Then they immediately back peddle into their zone at the snap. Dunbar stayed close to Robinson and ran with him across the field. What zone was Dunbar playing where he starts at the numbers on the left side then ends up at the numbers of the right side of the field? That’s not any zone I’ve ever heard of.

      I said earlier that I too had the suspicion that Blackmon blew that coverage. That he should have been over the top to help. But I can’t be sure, and I don’t know how you could be, because the camera didn’t show us. They focused on Schab. So all we really saw was Dunbar lineup like a corner playing man and then we saw him get beat on the opposite side of the field with the same receiver he started with. We saw Blackmon near the ball but out of position to make a play, then miss a tackle, but we didn’t see what he was doing before that.

      So I’m almost positive Dunbar was in man coverage. But can’t be sure about Blackmon’s culpability. If I’m wrong about the coverage I would really like to know why (I’m not being a smart ass. Genuinely, I want to know).

  11. abanig - Aug 17, 2016 at 9:40 AM

    Just goes to show you how important the blocking from the interior OL is for the running game. Dallas has it, we have issues at the point of attack, particularly at LG.


    Have you ever had the thought that the skins should moved Scherff to LG this offseason and then had Long, Lauvao & Kouandijo compete for the RG position?

    To me LG seems like the more important OL position because the Lg is playing next to the LT. Twill & Schreff of the left side would be awesome for our backs to run behind for the next 5-10 years.

    Should be an easy transition for Scherff because he played LT for Iowa for two or three years in college and is probably more natural on the left side.

    We generally run that direction because we want to run behind Trent, but then our LGs are lackluster without Lauvao being 100% and in game shape.

    Just seems to me an easy fix would be move Scherff to LG and run behind him and Trent 75% of the time.

    • Trey Gregory - Aug 17, 2016 at 1:51 PM

      I was talking about why Scherff eventually need to play tackle or LG to justify his draft status earlier this summer. You’re absolutely right, LGs are more valuable. RG is the least valuable position on the line. Arguably even less valuable than the swing tackle. Because of what LGs are generally asked to do in the run game. They’re usually the guy who pulls in a power scheme so they have to be meow athletic than the RG.

      The good news is that Scherff seems to be developing nicely. The bad news: I have to assume that Gruden and Callahan would have put him at LG if they thought he could play it better than Lauvao. Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe I’m missing something. But if LG is more important than RG, and the coaches move the 5th overall pick from RT to RG even though we’re having issues at LG, what does that really say? Wouldn’t it be logical to move the struggling player (like Long) to the least important position on the line? Archives

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