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Redskins practice report—Day 12

Aug 13, 2016, 1:36 PM EDT

Harris camp RVA USAT

RICHMOND—It’s Fan Appreciation Day here in Richmond. If you’re not here, you’re probably a lot cooler than the fans who are. And I want to let you know that I appreciate you.

–I’m going to try to do the live blog deal as I have been but the iPad is subject to overheating and shutting down in conditions like this. There may be some interruptions if that happens as I will have to go back and forth between making observations and going to the air conditioned CSN tent to send them out.

–Trent Williams is not participating in the early part of practice. Ty Nsekhe is lined up at left tackle. Niles Paul is not in pads after hyperextending his knee against the Falcons. On the plus side, Jordan Reed and Jamison Crowder, both non-participants on Thursday, are in pads and working.

–Rookie OT Kevin Bowen also is not wearing pads, watching wearing his jersey and a bucket hat.

–Counsins with an arching deep pass to Dez Stewart, who beat Kendall Fuller and hauled in the pass for the TD.

–Then Stewart got loose again deep and Colt McCoy’s pass was on the money but Stewart dropped it.

–I can’t discuss plays or formations. But one they just ran showed that they need to get the ball into DeSean Jackson’s hands more often.

–Spencer Long is playing center with the first team while Kory Lichtensteiger is watching team drill, at least the first session of them. My bet is that Steiger doesn’t like it at all.

–A good pop up the middle by Chris Thompson. He can run well, he just probably shouldn’t run too often.

–Quinton Dunbar, who had a tough time in coverage against the Falcons, just had his run fit corrected when he let Robert Kelly turn upfield.  Joe Barry wanted him to string the run out and Perry Fewell joined in with some advice of his own.

–Terence Garvin met Mack Brown in the hole with a solid pop. It would have been a highlight quality clip had there been live tackling.

–Special teams my be a third of the game (although I’m not so sure) but there isn’t a whole lot of action during special teams practice, which is like a walkthrough. In the tent cooling down and hydrating, waiting for more interesting action. Or, really, any action at all.

–More team, Long still at center. Will ask Gruden about Stieger after practice but I’m guessing that it’s just to get Long some work.

–Cousins just misfired on a pass to Jamison Crowder. The QB’s gesture after the play made it clear that he expected his receiver to go in a different direction.

–Now with the second team we have Josh LeRibeus, the sometime backup center, at right guard and Austin Reiter, who is a natural center, playing center.

–A breeze is keeping the conditions tolerable, when it’s blowing. Not that you’re all that concerned but I thought I’d pass it along.

–Crowder with a catch on a quick slant to convert a third and three. He seems to be fine after missing the game on Thursday.

–Greg Toler continues to make plays in camp. He just tipped a pass away from Vernon Davis and caught the ball. On the sideline, however, he just said that he did not land inbounds. Have to appreciate the honesty, right?

–Back-to-back picks for the defense. First one was tipped in the air and Dashaun Phillips picked it out of the air. Then Toler tipped one and Su’a Cravens picked it off.

–Kendall Thompson made a diving catch of a deep pass. Play of the day.

–A Nate Sudfeld pass was headed towards me and John Keim. We both moved out of the way and the pass hit John’s three-legged stool with a direct hit. I would bet it would take Sudfeld a dozen tries to do that if he tried.

That’s it. See you tomorrow afternoon.

  1. goback2rfk - Aug 13, 2016 at 3:25 PM

    Thats a shame about Dunbar, I really liked the dude. I hope he can turn it around. Might need him if the injury bug strikes.

    • Trey Gregory - Aug 13, 2016 at 5:46 PM

      Well I think reality is setting in a bit for fans about him. He’s still a converted WR, in only his second year ever playing corner, and went undrafted. He was a great story last year because he played decent and it was completely unexpected. But he was bound to come back down a bit, and expectations are higher. He still has A LOT to learn. But I still think his progress is impressive. We don’t want him starting anytime soon, but he’s worth keeping around.

      On at least one of those deep Robinson passes I really wondered where the safety help was. I couldn’t see because of the angle. But Blackmon started close to the line and was in front of Dunbar when Robinson made that catch. I don’t know who the deep safety was but I would like to see what happened there before I blame it all on him. Robinson started on the right and crossed the field. Dunbar actually did a good job staying with him, he just completely blew it at the end. He looked lost once he realized Robinson was tracking the ball. Then I believe it was Blackmon who whiffed on the tackle and allowed about 5 more yards. I’m not exactly sure why we had Dunbar in man coverage or what the free safty’s assignment was. So I’m not going to get too upset. He’s most likely make comfortable in zone seeing as how we play it so much. Maybe it will help keep him humble/hungry and he will learn from it. Good job staying with your guy, now finish the play.

      • redskins12thman - Aug 13, 2016 at 7:08 PM

        I had Dunbar as a bubble player, a chance but no guarantee to make the team. I was surprised when Dunbar was considered by most as a shoe-in to make the team and I thought it was because he had developed very quickly and showed a ton of upside.

        • goback2rfk - Aug 13, 2016 at 8:53 PM

          The dude was holding his own against Dez Bryant one on one. I dont understand how he sucks now.

        • Trey Gregory - Aug 14, 2016 at 4:01 AM

          Well, it might be a little unfair to say he sucks after one bad showing in the first game he played since January. Without any game prep. He wasn’t all bad.

          But on the flip side, Dez wasn’t healthy last year. No matter what he said. The best corners in the league have a hard time locking him down. Chances are the injury helped Dunbar last year. But flukes also happen. Dont forget that.

          Tendencies and tape also work both ways. I don’t believe Robinson watched a second of tape on him, but prepare for that this season. Receivers will study how he reacts to certain things to try and fool him. They didn’t have that last year; at least not a lot.

          Then there’s also how zones work. These guys have to get reps to figure out how they react. There will be bumps along the road. It’s probably unreasonable to expect Dunbar to play at a level where he can lock down Dez consistently in only his second year playing a position. But he’s still a very talented athlete with a high ceiling. Breeland, Norman, and Hall are the guys to lean on this year (and hopefully Fuller, Cravens, and Bruton eventually too). If Dunbar gets a lot of reps, especially one on one in man coverage, something went very wrong. Let’s not panic yet. He still had time to develop.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 14, 2016 at 12:48 PM

          You had Dunbar a bubble player in what post? I’ve not read that from any fan here.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 14, 2016 at 12:23 PM

        Dead on Trey about Dunbar. He was an X factor in the secondary this year. Many fans jumped on his performance last season but I stressed the team didn’t play him in zone coverage much then. He as playing man coverage which at least shows he can stay with wide outs. Now the coaches are going to implement him more in the actual defensive scheme which is zone coverage. Rtc thinks that actually is a run stuffing scheme. Anyway I digress a bit there with a chuckle.

        I haven’t seen any of the game last week but QDs struggle should be expected. It’s how he reacts to getting be that matters most.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 14, 2016 at 12:31 PM

          Btw Trey I meant to add the one thing I disagree about is Quinton playing comfortable in zone. Watch his highlights last season where almost every time he was just focused on the on WR in coverage. He can’t be comfortable in zone yet since it is far more complicated to learn. Man mostly requires athleticism and combine that with length this helped Quinton considerably last season

        • Trey Gregory - Aug 14, 2016 at 1:59 PM

          That’s a good point man. The truth is I can’t really remember how they used Dunbar last year. Just kind of assumed he was playing more in zone.

          But you’re absolutely right. Zone is more complicated. That’s why so many high schools and colleges run man (at least with their corners). Because you can just be athletic and make plays. So it makes sense that’s what Dunbar did last year. In which case we’re REALLY likely to see the learning curve if the ask him to play more zone.

          His athleticism makes him worth of being a good project but some fans need to settle their expectations a bit. McCloughan doesn’t literally have a magic wand to make every player he finds a starter over night. They’re going to have ebbs and flows just like everyone else.

  2. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Aug 13, 2016 at 3:44 PM

    I was in the backyard in D.C. hacking at some vines that were attacking the rhodos.

    Pretty sure it’s just as bad as Richmond. Hope none of the mosquitoes were carrying Zika.

    P.S. Thanks for the reports, Rich.

  3. Lex - Aug 13, 2016 at 3:50 PM

    Rich thanks for the blow by blow! Excellent coverage!

  4. Domenic S - Aug 13, 2016 at 5:15 PM

    How many people are there? Are the players signing autographs and taking pictures?
    They werent when I was there.

  5. Trey Gregory - Aug 13, 2016 at 5:50 PM

    Niles really needs to get out there and work on his blocking. I was not impressed with what I saw Thursday night. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I have a new found respect for Logan Paulson. It upset me to think we might have to cut a good player/prospect for him, but now I’m glad he’s here. We need him to block. He looked good. Davis looked like a pretty solid blocker too. I hope Paul improves and stays healthy. But at least we have good options if he goes down again.

    • Mr.moneylover - Aug 14, 2016 at 11:27 AM

      Naw the time he played Spencer long couldn’t stay on his block and actually Spencer long got push back into Niles Paul …Niles Paul got good blocking skills but its hard to do that if the left and middle of your O-line is getting pushed back

      • Trey Gregory - Aug 14, 2016 at 12:06 PM

        I know the play you’re talking about, but it wasn’t just that one.

  6. redskins12thman - Aug 13, 2016 at 7:09 PM

    Thanks Rich! Much appreciated.

  7. Mr.moneylover - Aug 14, 2016 at 11:23 AM

    Spencer long gotta go…he’s good in pass protection but he still can’t move his guys lining up across from him…falcons game when Keith Marshall raned left the play was over before it begin because Spencer long couldn’t move his guy and he ended up blocking Niles Paul from getting to his block…I think Arie Kouandjiou is strong enough to be Shawn lauvao backup …if Spencer long can’t move his guy at left guard he will definitely not be able to move guys at center…idk if he’s not strong enough or what but he had the same issue last year when they put the camera on Trent Williams a few times last year we seen him and Spencer long exchange words idk if it was cause of frustration or a teaching moment but he clearly not ready to be a starter if he can’t do better in the run game…and by Kory bein injured and not bein able to practice he’s showing hes unreliable at playing center…we gotta go up against the steelers Raven’s and Bengals if your muscle game is weak against these teams we will lose all of them because all those teams play physical not to top it off with the cardinals and Panthers jay gruden need to wake up and see Spencer long or Kory L. Is not the answer for this O-line they need to work on somebody else at Center and put somebody else at left guard if Shawn Lauvao can’t stay Healthy

    • Trey Gregory - Aug 14, 2016 at 12:04 PM

      And who would you recommend they find to play center, at this point in the preseason, better than Kory or Long? You’re not going to find anyone, I guarantee it.

      And my first impressions of Long are the same. He did not look powerful out there. I honestly don’t know what you’re talking about with Kory, but ok. That’s still an extreme over reaction to one preseason game. Let them knock off the rust and let’s see what happens.

      Kouandjo, by the way, did not look good either. I was thoroughly disappointed. Just one game though.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 14, 2016 at 12:44 PM

      Arie is more likely a final cut and should never have been drafted so early. He has little lower body mobility and I bet will never be a starter anywhere in the NFL

      • Trey Gregory - Aug 14, 2016 at 1:49 PM

        It’s hard to argue with that right now. People were calling for him to start and he wasn’t doing a whole lot against the 3s. It wasn’t all bad, but look at the level of competition. The fact that he had any bad plays isn’t a good sign. Archives

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