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Need to Know: What is the 2016 Redskins’ expectation for wins?

Jun 12, 2016, 6:10 AM EDT


Here is what you need to know on this Sunday, June 12, 46 days before the Washington Redskins start training camp in Richmond.


—The Redskins last played a game 154 days ago. It will be 92 days until they host the Steelers in their 2016 season opener.

Days until: Redskins training camp starts 46; Preseason opener @ Falcons 60; Final roster cut 83

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—There will be more on this in the weeks to come, but I’m starting to think that the Redskins will exceed expectations. What are expectations for the 2016 team? I think it’s somewhere around seven to nine wins. Fewer wins than that would be legitimate grounds to be disappointed and reevaluate how they are doing things; more than nine wins would be cause for celebration.

—What is their path to 10 wins? Going 4-2 in the division, 3-1 against the AFC North (the London game against the Bengals will be key there) and splitting their other six games against the NFC North, the Cardinals, and the Panthers. The last part is not easy but doable with the two toughest NFC North games coming at home against the Vikings and Packers.

—Could they do better than 10? Sure but right now it would be a very tall order. They would have to win a game like the one in Arizona and/or upset the Steelers in the opener. At the moment getting 11 or 12 wins looks like drawing to an inside straight.

—The more I see of David Bruton, the more I think that he will hold on to a starting safety job into the season. At 6-2, 225 he looks like a linebacker who lined up a little deep and in the no-pads phase of practices he has looked good. To be sure, a player who has just eight starts in seven seasons in the NFL still has a lot to prove.

—Every time I look up to see the running backs doing individual drills, Matt Jones is hustling up to the front of the line. That doesn’t mean that he’ll be able to add a yard to his 3.4 per-carry average from last year or develop a stickier grip on the football. But it is a sign that he is genuinely interested in improving and that’s not always a given.

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  1. Steve Wilson - Jun 12, 2016 at 6:26 AM

    The UK bookmakers are offering odds of 7/2 for the Skins to win NFC East, I’ve already placed my bet! HTTR!

  2. Skinsfansince68 - Jun 12, 2016 at 6:51 AM

    I rarely post a comment but I felt the need. I can see this team going 10-6 or 6-10 and still have better overall play and no disappointment. I have full faith in McLovin. When he first got here he said 4-5 years. We are a young team only year 2. No knee jerk reactions, no need to change directions. To me the record doesn’t matter this season.

    • RedskinDave - Jun 12, 2016 at 8:40 AM

      That’s being smart and realistic, because you can definitely see that by year 5 of McCloughan, this team could become one of the leagues best. Coaching/injuries could make it easier or harder to do so. But the depth we have now at certain positions, If Joe Barry & crew can master how they’re used, I think this will be key. Our offense (aside from LG/C) looks to be taking shape

  3. warpath1 - Jun 12, 2016 at 6:55 AM

    Its only year 2 of GM scots team character rebuild. I think its going well, but there are alot of moving parts this year. Some long shots could pan out and help us win some games. We could do very well or at least i believe the new team attutude will get us at least 7 wins. HTTR

  4. garg8050 - Jun 12, 2016 at 7:11 AM

    I believe 7 is the floor, 8-9 is reasonable. The Panthers and Cardinals games appear tough now; both teams are very dependent upon their QB staying healthy. I totally agree that the ‘Skins have to go 4-2 in the division. That makes week 2 against Dallas almost a must win. And that’ll be a tall order since Romo probably won’t be hurt…yet. I don’t want to be going to the Meadowlands in Week 3 with an 0-2 record. I think the Steelers game is winnable. Cousins needs to start out hot, and the defense needs to get a few turnovers. Could be a shootout.

    • Trey Gregory - Jun 12, 2016 at 7:44 PM

      To be fair, aren’t almost all NFL teams reliant only their QBs staying healthy? I guess the 2015 Broncos weren’t, but that’s a rare exception.

      I would say Washington is very dependent on Cousins staying healthy AND playing as well (or better) as he did last year overall. He may not play and entire season like his final 6 games but he could play somewhere between how he did week 1 and week 16 and we could probably win 7-8 games fairly easily.

  5. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Jun 12, 2016 at 7:42 AM

    The first two games are going to tell us a lot about our defense.

    • bangkokben - Jun 12, 2016 at 8:03 AM

      If the last two seasons are any indications, the first two games will be lying.

      • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Jun 12, 2016 at 8:18 AM

        We faced Ryan Tannehill and Nick Foles, not Roethlisberger and Romo.

        • bangkokben - Jun 12, 2016 at 8:28 AM

          True, but my point is that the last two seasons, the defense has come out of the gate looking great and then after two games they have already had at least two starters on IR and another bunch of guys slowed or out with injury. So even if the defense looks fine, it may or may not be sustainable. I think the depth is better in the back but there is always going to be a position or two where you can’t take multiple injuries.

        • Mr.moneylover - Jun 12, 2016 at 10:25 AM

          Our defense was average last year players who was injured was still playing starting minutes.. this year we got depth at some positions …the question it good depth and the redskins will find out no later then they bye week….Trent Robinson and jeron Johnson was suppose to be good depth last year in case of a injury we found out those guys are nothing but special team players and both are gone so we will find out …This team can actually be deep at a lot of positions if they know the players skill set that they brought in from free agency like DE Kendall Reyes Joe Barry know his skill set by bein the LB coach with the chargers ..he believe he can get Kendall Reyes back to what he did 2 years ago when he had 6 sacks

      • sidepull - Jun 12, 2016 at 9:53 AM

        Ha that is so true bang.

    • Mr.moneylover - Jun 12, 2016 at 10:12 AM

      The only reason why the defense looked good in the first two games the pass two season was because we had Old players or a Old player.. Jason Hatcher who can only stay healthy for 2 games kept bein the starter after he was injured and he was playing bad he was getting mad handle and I believe Chris Baker could have more sacks if they can put somebody next to him who can get to the QB…pot roast couldn’t do it Jason Hatcher was injured so he couldn’t do it…they got options tho witch is a good thing

      • RedskinDave - Jun 12, 2016 at 5:34 PM

        Options, solid, (not great) but solid YOUNGER and fresh depth guys ready to come in and contribute. Absolutely

    • Trey Gregory - Jun 12, 2016 at 8:35 PM

      Ha. Remember how our run game looked after two games last season? I’ll never forget this belligerent Washington fan on bleacher report (I think) talking trash to other fans about how the Redakins had a reall running game and “Mojo” we’re going to run all over everyone. Talk about Karma. But even my pessimistic self didn’t expect it to get as bad as it did.

      Remember how the Falcons looked after the first few weeks? Or Kansas City compared to how they finished?

      I was also starting to think the run D would end up top 10 after two games. I generally say the first 4 weeks of the season are strange and are not a good indication of how everything will work out. But I let myself get caught up in the defense. I won’t be making that mistake again. I’ll revisit this conversation after week 6.

      • Mr.moneylover - Jun 13, 2016 at 6:39 PM

        We did have a running game but when your LG is gone for the season and then you lose your center its very hard to get a running game going we had new faces on the line that never started and new to what Bill C. Was coaching…the great thing is about redskins O-line this year is that they got new young faces who looked sharp and gonna compete for the starting job…I’m proud of that guy arie Kouandjiou and takoby Coldfield those guys came back better this year

        • Trey Gregory - Jun 14, 2016 at 3:28 PM

          I’m sorry but you have no idea if anybody came back better this year. It’s way too early to know that. Maybe you went and watch some practices in shorts but none of us have seen them against actual NFL competition. And you’re obviously biased. We all are. We want to see these guys improve. So let’s wait and see what happens in the actual games before making statements like that. It’s June. Everybody looks good in June.

          And yeah, the OLine injuries sucked but what team doesn’t deal with that every season? And Kory was in after Lavau got hurt and the run game still tanked. If the run game is dependent on 1 player then it’s not a good run game. There were quite a few teams with worst Olines than ours running the ball better last year. Something was off. Alfred wasn’t hitting holes like he used to and Jones played like a rookie. There were Oline problems but it wasn’t all on them.

          I love that we have Bill Callahan, Trent Williams and a slew of young and talented Olinemen. I wasn’t making a statement about how this year’s OLine performance would be. I was making a statement about how two weeks isn’t long enough to really evaluate how good a team is. How much Cofield and Kouandjo improved has nothing to do with that.

  6. colorofmyskinz - Jun 12, 2016 at 8:11 AM

    Let’s look at how many potential starter changes from how we ended last year to see how much better we could be.

    – Jones, will be better in a starting roll vs riding Morris coattails
    – Kory and Lauvao, or the Lft guard center combo will be a starting combo and not backup, regardless if it is Long or Lauvao, it will now be a starting duo vs backup
    – Paul / Davis / Paulson as a second TE, we did not have this weapon at all
    – I will say it, starting 3rd down back Marshall, he will bring fire to the third down plays
    – Doctson will start at some point this year
    – Cousins with a full offseason as starter

    – Paea healthy
    – Murphy on the field while edge rushers are
    – Reyes will make a great rotating starter
    – Cravens
    – Gallette
    – Compton and foster with offseason work at starter position and time to gel
    – Bruton, inhencho combo new
    – Norman and Fuller new

    I count at minimum 13 new starters this year vs last year or more. What is listed here is a huge change and does not even account for the depth changes as well.

    This team is much different than last year. I go with 11 wins!!!


    • bangkokben - Jun 12, 2016 at 9:36 AM

      Why would 13 out of 22 new starters be a good thing for a team with a winning record? That would be great news for a team that was 3-13. IF the Redskins win 11 games this year it will be PRIMARILY due to the continuity NOT the number of changes. The Redskins’ improvement by and large will come from Moses, Scherff, Cousins, Reed, Williams, Garcon and Jackson building off what they did last year and staying healthy.

      As it stands right now, there are just FIVE starters on the depth chart that didn’t start at least ONE GAME for the Redskins last year: Norman, Bruton, Galette, Matt Jones, and Kedric Golston. That’s it. THREE men that have never played for the Redskins. Sure Murphy and Hall are in new positions but they started 15 and nine games, respectively, and were opening day starters.

      FIVE! Stop the hyperbole.

      • Trey Gregory - Jun 12, 2016 at 7:54 PM

        13 out of 22 starters would be a good thing because of offseason hype! Duh! Didn’t you know that every UFA is a future HOF player and every late round draft pick will be a pro bowler? Trent Murphy may have almost never taken a snap at DE (including college) and Kendall Reyes has been backup material the past two years but they’re going to save the franchise now!

        I see some potential in these guys and this roster but let’s not go overboard. I understand the excitement about guys like Murphy, Reyes, Bruton, Doctson, and Cravens but I can’t take this crap about Keith Marshall anymore. He didn’t even start on a losing college team, has been healthy for a while now, and every team in the league let him slip to the bottom of the 7th. He’s not the kind of guy you pencil in as a starter. That’s crazy disrespectful to Chris Thompson. A guy who’s actually played really well for this team.

        • 21indiscriminateThoughts - Jun 13, 2016 at 2:33 AM

          Murphy is overrated by fans because of a position switch and putting on weight. If it were only that easy, I would love for that to be true but its more than likely not. My surprise pick up of the FA is Ziggy Hood, dude is large and explosively fast. He is coming off a down year hampered by injury. I think our Def vastly improves with the under the radar pickups and additions to our line. They got younger which is super important. Pot Roast and Hatcher were not able to hold it down for a whole season. The former got in shape at the end of the season and actually started to contribute. He will be a great pick up for NE this year, thats there kind of luck. If healthy, our top 2 pass rushers will be siiiickkkkkkk… and its not who you think, Junior Gallette and Preston Smith. Kerrigan will be great too not coming off an OS rehabbing a knee procedure but those aforementioned guys are going to off the chain. Add in Josh Norman man, that guy is gonna single handedly buy a whole extra second for our pass rush. If we can hold it down till like mid season I think our top 2 defensive rookies might come to form by then and contribute significantly. I think our offensive (and hence team’s) success is squarely 85% dependent on the health of Jordan Reed. Another concussion and he is out months! Pray for that not to happen. The rest is on Djax (esp if that horrible version of reality comes to fruition) and our running game. Not expecting much for Josh Doctson first half of the season, I hope he makes me eat my words though! Despite all my promise and optimism… I see gloom in our schedule because of how difficult it is, but I hope we rally!

    • Mr.moneylover - Jun 12, 2016 at 10:29 AM

      Nacho not starting next to Burton Dhall is…you sleeping on this kid name Mack Brown who been getting snaps behind matt Jones

      • RedskinDave - Jun 12, 2016 at 5:41 PM

        I can’t sleep on Mack at all, I remember what I saw from him. He’ll be the fire up under Thompson and Marshall’s @§Şes. Again, I won’t be the least bit surprised if he ends up getting time

      • Trey Gregory - Jun 12, 2016 at 8:41 PM

        I hope Mack Brown works out. But it’s hard for some of us not to sleep on him. I don’t live in the area anymore and can’t visit practices and he’s not getting a lot of press right now. I also don’t trust what most RBs did in college to translate to the NFL. Maybe a couple of the absolute studs (like Zeek Elliot) but not for most of them.

    • Mr.moneylover - Jun 12, 2016 at 10:36 AM

      Junior Gaullet will start on the other side of Ryan Kerrigan Preston Smith be Ryan Kerrigan and junior Gaullet Backup the 4th pass rusher on the depth chart is not set …its either gonna be willie Jefferson,Houston Bates, or Lyndel trail…I hear Willie Jefferson looked like the best option as the 4th pass rusher…

    • John - Jun 12, 2016 at 12:25 PM

      Bruton is a career backup, so not so sure that’s an “upgrade”. Reyes is on the level of the other guys we have, so where is the “upgrade”. Still no beast in the entire group on the defensive line. Marshall is fast but not that much of a runner from what I’ve seen.

      Compton and Foster will be better with more time together. Long and Kouanjo are still slow and Kory is smallish. Sorry, you can’t teach speed, big bones or height. Lavaou, who know with his wheels. Murphy was never all that, coming off the edge with his hand in the dirt.

      Doctson starting? Just as soon as he beats out Pierre. Not going to happen unless the team flops and they want to watch rookies…LOL.

      I can see Norman and Cravens improving things. Fuller coming off a knee, that always takes time, maybe we see things from him next year.

  7. redskins12thman - Jun 12, 2016 at 8:12 AM

    I agree with you that the Redskins could win ten games this season. Very encouraging news about Bruton and Jones especially given Ihenacho’s health track record and the current RB options.

    I’ll make my judgment about how well the Redskins do at the end of the season based on its record, scores and performances against teams with winning records because ultimately, it’s about whether the team is able to keep these games close and pull out 2-3 victories in these matches. That’s the difference between contenders and pretenders, and to me this is the next step of improvement the Redskins must demonstrate.

    One of the reasons I like the NFL is the importance of most regular season games and this year it holds true for the Redskins’ season opener as well. There’s a huge opportunity for the Redskins to beat the Steelers in the nationally televised game and make a statement. I really hope the coaching staff prepares well for Pittsburgh, pulling out all the tricks if necessary.

    The keys to this season are rushing attack, rushing defense, and no huddle defense improvement and at least no slippage in special teams. An impactful D-line and safety pairings will do wonders for this team. Last year, the team made great strides after too many years of really bad, bordering on laughable, season performances in special teams. I have faith in all the other phases of the game and I believe in what McCloughan is doing overall too.

  8. John - Jun 12, 2016 at 8:51 AM

    Ten wins is certainly possible. Some of the teams they face will have improved (Dallas w/Romo healthy and the kid from Ohio State running the ball and Chicago among others). Playing this brutal schedule, should they make the playoffs, they will have been battle tested and better prepared for an even tougher slate of opponents. That being said, while I root for the home team, the pom poms stay in the closet.

  9. sidepull - Jun 12, 2016 at 9:56 AM

    The Redskins are going to repeat and win the NFC East again. Whatever record it takes to do that so be it.

  10. Mr.moneylover - Jun 12, 2016 at 9:58 AM

    If Kendrick Gholston be our starting NT week 1 then I don’t see our D-line bein good I think Kendrick Gholston is only effective in certain situations…if he’s on the field the same amount of time Chris Baker on the field that will be bad…if kirk cousins not playing well then that whole offense will look bad…right now I’m glad to hear he’s doing good with changing plays when he read defense… 10-6 for sure if junior gaullet is healthy on the field along with josh Norman…. No way that defense can be bad with those two guys on the field

  11. Mr.moneylover - Jun 12, 2016 at 10:00 AM

    If josh Norman and junior gaullete on the field at the same time theres no way we don’t repeat as NFC East Champions

    • Trey Gregory - Jun 12, 2016 at 8:25 PM

      Man, it makes me drool to think about a healthy Galette and Kerrigan on the field together. Then if Smith continues to grow and they hit a good rotation… Talk about a great group of edge rushers.

      Hopefully Cravens works out like we all hope too. Then with Breeland and Norman we would have a great cover unit. Hopefully Hall takes a leap and stays healthy. He’s obviously a good cover guy too and could add a lot in the middle. I’m just hoping the other guys in the middle of the D work out. Maybe Bruton could add some nasty up the middle and out ILBs play a little better. I’m hoping Compton and Foster start and build on their chemistry. Maybe Ioannidis can add something too.

      But I think repeating as NFC East champs could be pretty hard. Even if the team plays as well or better than last year. I see a lot of growth in the division as a whole. And that’s fine. We need to be in it for the long run. I just want to see this team continue to take positive steps every year. Our time will come if we do that.

  12. Jlb12300 - Jun 12, 2016 at 10:39 AM

    10 to 11 wins is where we will be. We get a little bit of help on the first couple of games due to key players not playing . Well at least with the steelers and the Cowboys. The Panthers are not the same team as last year. I see them falling to 8 wins. The Redskins will win the Division.

  13. smotion55 - Jun 12, 2016 at 11:04 AM

    8 wins this year is a good thing, BUT I believe even with tougher schedule they can win 10, and next year will be 3rd with the GM we have needed since Snyder took over., this team is on the rise. I think that the talent level is better then anybody expected in year 2. We could win 10 or as little as 6 , so this is a ” Grow or Go ” year for many. The 3rd year of coach Gruden and 2nd in Barry’s Defense should make this team very competitive in every game and Special Teams are getting better also. The progress made with special teams and the roster built with players who study film and are team 1st guys has been the biggest change.
    Our division is not that good and Romo is 1 hit away from retirement. Both Philly and NY have new coaches so we could win more then 4 in division. With injuries held down, AND IF GALLETTE stays healthy we could finally have some depth at pass rush. Preston Smith should take biggest step forward in his second year. And with the signing of Norman we have major upgrades on Defense.
    Biggest rookie surprises will be Ioannidis and Cravens on defense but it will take until bye week to materialize . There just isn’t enough spaces on the roster for this talent to be kept. If Fuller is healthy what a steel. Daniels looks to be really good also and with this GM and the depth he is building the only problem they will have is other teams will take our practice squad players. I can only hope we get a couple of players back after the final cuts are made to balance this out.
    What a major change in how this team is run and the developments and upgrades that have happened in just 2 years is remarkable. The GM and front office contract specialist Shaffer are fantastic. Proud to be a Redskins fan. I hope Cousin’s gets signed and then everything on the to do list will be done. Well maybe another RB. I would have kept Morris, I am not sold on Jones and all the other backs have injury history’s. With the way the league value’s RB position I understand, don’t like it but understand.

    • John - Jun 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM

      Romo one hit away from retirement? Really? He’s no spring chicken but is not exactly brittle. When he’s been out its because of back surgery or broken collar bones. Otherwise he’s been tough. If Dallas commits to running like in 2014 but with a better runner, they will be trouble.

      I could see saying it about Bradford as he has been brittle with the knees. Eli on the other hand has been solid physically.

      The Giants will be integrating a handful of players but are operating the system they’ve had for 2 years.

      Philly will be running a new system but the players should respond to that better than Kelly’s constant hurry up.

      • Trey Gregory - Jun 12, 2016 at 9:18 PM

        I think that’s a pretty spot on assessment John. Romo may be the QB of the enemy but that doesn’t mean we have to deny that he’s been an extremely tough player over the years. Not to mention one of the best QBs of the past few years.

        The Giants honestly kind of scare me. They already had a potent offense and a two time Super Bowl MVP QB. But man, if even half of their free agents and early draft picks work out, that D could be dangerous too.

        One thing I think people are sleeping in is Jim Schwartz as the D coordinator in Philly. The guy maybe wasn’t the best head coach but he’s a hell of an assistant. There’s too many unknowns to say for sure but Philly could be more trouble than people are giving them credit for. Especially within the division.

        One thing I think a lot of people a

        • sidepull - Jun 12, 2016 at 9:56 PM

          Schwartz in this division is trouble.

      • bangkokben - Jun 12, 2016 at 9:28 PM

        John, you’re incredulous?! Yes. Romo at 36 with three broken clavicles, herniated discs, and two broken transverse processes would seem to have the medical history to fit the description. I believe if he was wearing Burgundy and Gold, with that medical history he’d be described not just brittle but GLASS. No matter how tough he is, it doesn’t matter if he continues to hold onto the ball until the last possible split second. At 36, the likelihood of that changing is non-existent. Even with his recent surgery of shaving the bone down and adding a titanium plate, that might prevent the bone from breaking again but the force of 320 lb DTs landing on you will cause injury somewhere. Even in 2014, he WAS injured when Keenan Robinson’s knee hit him square in the back. The Cowboys window is open for competing for the Lombardi as long and Romo is upright but that window can shut at any moment.

        • Trey Gregory - Jun 12, 2016 at 9:41 PM

          I know we’ve had this conversation before. And every point you just made is fair. But isn’t that kind of true for any 36 year old QB? Their body will break down faster. Maybe Romo learns from last year and starts playing safer? I’m just not as ready to count him out until he’s actually down. Not that I want anybody to get hurt. I genuinely don’t. It would feel so much better for us to beat the Cowboys with Romo fully healthy. But he’s pretty damn good when he is healthy.

          A point I think we agree on though: The Cowboys have done their team a great disservice by not grooming Romo’s replacement over the past few years. Like paying old man Orton instead of finding young talent. It was stupid. Of course, the only price they’ve really paid so far is getting the fourth overall pick. But it could bite them bad once Romo is gone for good.

        • bangkokben - Jun 13, 2016 at 8:44 AM

          “But isn’t that kind of true for any 36 year old QB?” Yes! But more so for a QB that has a penchant for taking big hits and an injury history.

        • John - Jun 12, 2016 at 11:28 PM

          And yet with all those injuries, how much time has he missed? Let’s see, last season, a couple of games at the end of 2013 and when he broke the other collarbone several years ago.Take out the time lost to the collar bones and he’s not missed much. If they balance things with the run like in 2014, he’s not going to get hit as much.

        • bangkokben - Jun 13, 2016 at 8:42 AM

          He missed an average of 2.7 games a year. That doesn’t get smaller when you get older. This is stupid. If he was a Redskin LB, you’d be saying how injury prone he is and how we should move on. Why the hell should anyone take away the time he’s missed from the collarbones? He’s likely to break his right clavicle this year. The guy plays like RG3 except he has tremendous pocket awareness. He’s going to take punishment because that is who he is. A guy at his age isn’t going to suddenly correct his bad habits or suddenly get stronger. At best he has three years left but personally I’d put his shelf life at 16-20 games left whether that happens in two or three years. Who knows? But expecting him to suddenly play 16 games is ludicrous.

        • John - Jun 12, 2016 at 11:31 PM

          Yeah and even though he took that shot in the back, he was out for a series or two and then was back to finish the game

        • Trey Gregory - Jun 13, 2016 at 12:27 AM

          What a great game though. I was literally running through my workplace when they won (night shift). That was probably the highlight of Colt McCoy’s career and it was Breeland’s coming out party. I fell in love with Keenan Robinson after that game too. Such a shame he didn’t pan out. Still, that victory may not have happened if Romo stayed in. It probably would have, but maybe not. He’s dangerous. So while Bang has a point about his recent injuries piling up, I’m not going to count our chickens before they hatch. If Romo gets hurt he gets hurt. Again, I don’t wish that on anyone. But if he does get hurt then our chances of winning 8-10 games gets a lot better. We can all agree on that can’t we?

        • bangkokben - Jun 13, 2016 at 7:41 AM

          He missed the next week.

        • bangkokben - Jun 13, 2016 at 10:02 AM

          “But if he does get hurt then our chances of winning 8-10 games gets a lot better. We can all agree on that can’t we?”

          Trey, I don’t agree with that. Our chances of winning THE DIVISION goes up since the Cowboys are a complete pile of dung without Romo but WHEN/IF Romo gets injured won’t help the Redskins win more games. As for the Redskins they have just as much chance losing to a Romo-less Cowboys team like last year than they do winning against a high functioning Romo-led team like they did in 2014. The rest of league is where it has more of an impact.

        • Trey Gregory - Jun 13, 2016 at 3:25 PM

          Well that’s what I meant but you’re choosing to get into the weeds here. We may have lost to a Romoless Cowboys team last year but that doesn’t mean we have the same chance of losing to them if Romo is in or out. You’re just being irrational if you think Dallas is equally competitive with or without their franchise QB. We have a better chance of winning two games against Dalls next year if Dak Prescot or Kellen Moore are under center than Tony Romo. Winning two games (that we usually split) is a step closer to a winning season. There’s really no need to argue about that.

          Granted Desean could make any number of bonehead plays, ruin our momentum, and blow the game for us. But I like our chances of beating Dallas without Romo more than with him.

        • bangkokben - Jun 13, 2016 at 4:24 PM

          “But I like our chances of beating Dallas without Romo more than with him.” Agreed. I like our CHANCES better too. Historically, it doesn’t seem to matter. Our team has a way of losing to Clint Longley, a winless team with Rodney Pete, or Matt Cassell. We at least stole that one game with Colt McCoy. The Redskins inability to sweep Dallas is another factor — just five times in the history of the rivalry. 2005 & 2012 being the only times this century.

        • Trey Gregory - Jun 13, 2016 at 4:42 PM

          Yeah I hear you. It would be unbelievable if it wasn’t so predictable. That’s generally how division games work all around though. Goes to show how mental this sport is.

          I’m happy if we split with each team in the division. Maybe we can sweep Philly again. I’m mostly hoping to see these guys continue to grow and some competitive games.

        • bangkokben - Jun 13, 2016 at 6:23 PM

          Got to sweep Philly. Split with the other teams. Especially, since they do have the 1st place schedule, they need to be 4-2 in the division to have post-season aspirations. A step backward wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world but the team isn’t feeling like they got lucky last year.

  14. John - Jun 12, 2016 at 12:31 PM

    Bruton is a career backup, so not so sure that’s an “upgrade”. Reyes is on the level of the other guys we have, so where is the “upgrade”. Still no beast in the entire group on the defensive line. Marshall is fast but not that much of a runner from what I’ve seen.

    Compton and Foster will be better with more time together. Long and Kouanjo are still slow and Kory is smallish. Sorry, you can’t teach speed, big bones or height. Lavaou, who know with his wheels. Murphy was never all that, coming off the edge with his hand in the dirt.

    Doctson starting? Just as soon as he beats out Pierre. Not going to happen unless the team flops and they want to watch rookies…LOL.

    I can see Norman and Cravens improving things. Fuller coming off a knee, that always takes time, maybe we see things from him next year.

  15. celeoinc - Jun 12, 2016 at 12:40 PM

    I love this site, but I think I believe that there is too much pessimism here. Of course that you have to try to be realistic, but the reality is that if we don’t make the playoffs we should be disappointed. Why not? This team is a good football team. They are also very underrated. Of course they can go 3-13. Injuries are a big factor in today’s NFL. But man we can also beat the Steelers. it really irritates me everybody calling the Steelers game a loss. It’s 50-50 game that can go either way.

    • celeoinc - Jun 12, 2016 at 12:44 PM

      By the way our offense will also have the ball.

    • Rich Tandler - Jun 12, 2016 at 12:52 PM

      That’s cool. I get some calling me an overly optimistic homer so I guess I’m doing OK.

    • Trey Gregory - Jun 13, 2016 at 4:47 PM

      It’s not pessimism it’s reality. Who cares about the playoffs at this point? It is a good team but it’s still only year 2 of the rebuild. We’re not quite ready to be true contenders yet. The games vs. Carolina and New England really illustrated that last year. Maybe we take some giant leaps forward and compete with the top teams, but that seems unlikely. And that’s fine. These things take time if they’re done the right way.

  16. Wallace Ferrell - Jun 12, 2016 at 4:22 PM

    Love my REDSKINS.
    . keep me informed

  17. kenlinkins - Jun 12, 2016 at 5:45 PM

    I really want to see the defense play a few preseason games as I am just not sure how they will come together as a unit. Gruden as not yet won a season opener as the Redskins head coach and it is always better to start 1-0 as the Cowboys would be up next. If the Redskins can win the first two games at home then they could be off to the races with a shot at going 8-0 to start the season and maybe a 12 win season in total, but if they go 0-2 to start, then IMO all bets are off for anything other than a 6 or 7 win season. In short, I am just not sure how all the parts are going to fit. Not being able to figure the season any better than somewhere between 6 and 12 wins does say much but this team is still in flux and could break either way (which is why I really am looking forward to the preseason games to see how well the units are working together). I will admit I like the talent improvements I see on the roster in many areas, but the question marks are still many. It will be interesting to see how the GM builds the 53 man roster (and Practice Squad) with so many young guys flashing talent. This team is not dead in the water any more, I just do not know how fast they can be yet but my hopes are up and my Redskins flag is flying!

    • sidepull - Jun 12, 2016 at 10:02 PM

      Your not sure how the parts are going to fit and truthfully neither are they….yet. We are just going to have to watch this unfold and realize that what we see out of the gate is probably not going to be what we see come mid-season There are some nice prospects on this team. Here is hoping they come out of the injury minefield on top instead of blown up all over the place like last season.

  18. wvredskins - Jun 12, 2016 at 10:49 PM

    I can see us winning 10 games or I could see is winning on 6-7 games. It all lies on how we face off against the good teams this year. We most def do not have a schedule like last year. I believe if we had the same schedule as last year wit this year’s team, we would absolutely dominate and probably get like 11-12 games. This year we have a tough schedule. But I think the important thing is finding out 2 things no matter what the record is; 1- is kirk cousins who we think he is and 2- is our defense improving. Especially along the dline. The dline is up in the air right not for me. We have to be able to stop the run to have a chance. I believe our secondary will most def hold their own. And I also believe gallette, Kerrigan and smith with be dominant . Another key thing for me is will we have a draft like last year where we had 5 guys contribute greatly. I know cravens , fuller, and doctson will contribute, but who will be that uda guy or late round guy that steps up?

  19. wvredskins - Jun 12, 2016 at 11:07 PM

    I can see us winning 10 games or I could see is winning on 6-7 games. It all lies on how we face off against the good teams this year. We most definitely do not have a schedule like last year. I believe if we had the same schedule as last year with this year’s team, we would have been dominate and probably would have won 11-12 games.. I think the important thing is finding out 2 things no matter what the record is; 1- is kirk cousins who we think he is and 2- is our defense improving. Especially along the dline. The dline is up in the air right not for me. We have to be able to stop the run to have a chance. I believe our secondary will most definitely hold their own. And I also believe gallette, Kerrigan and smith will be dominant . Another key thing for me is will we have a draft like last year where we had 5 guys contribute greatly. I know cravens , fuller, and doctson will probably contribute, but who will be that udfa guy or late round guy that steps up?

    • Trey Gregory - Jun 13, 2016 at 12:14 AM

      WVRedskins: I agree with your sentement here. But 2 things:

      1) It’s rare for any draft class to have as many key rookie contributors as 2015’s did. So I’m not going to be too worried if this class isn’t as good. But hopefully Ioannidis can contribute. We passed on a few good players to trade out of the fourth because they (allegidly) believed in who they could get in the fifth. We also don’t need Doctson to contribute his rookie year so I’m fine only playing him sparingly and letting him slowly come along. But if Fuller and Cravens can be competitive then we’ll be in much better shape.

      2) I agree with the point about Cousins but I’m not sure the Dline is supposed to improve. Obviously it’s ideal if they do. But that wasn’t the area of focus in free agency or the draft. Yes, McCloughan picked up some backup level free agents like Hood and Reyes to fill holes and we drafted Ioannidis in the fifth. But none of those moves scream improved defensive line. I believe that McCloughan believes the NFL is changing in a way where stout Dlines are less valuable. I believe he’s looking for speed guys, especially along the edge, who can cover anywhere on the field and close on opponents with the ball. I think he’s valuing these smaller/faster guys (like Cravens at ILB) over big run stuffers. Think Telvin Smith in Jacksonville. Still hits hard but he flies all over the field and hits but can also cover guys.

      So our run D will probably suffer but so what? Teams aren’t going to win in 2016 by running the ball 30 times a game. We’ll smother them in coverage and make them one dimensional. In theory anyway. Archives

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