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Need to Know: The Redskins’ top five late-round draft picks

Apr 30, 2016, 6:13 AM EDT


Here is what you need to know on this Saturday, April 30, the day of the fourth through seventh rounds of the NFL Draft.


At FedEx Field: Josh Doctson, Su’a Cravens, Kendall Fuller news conference during draft day party.

At Redskins Park: Conference call with Redskins’ draft picks soon after each one has been made; Scot McCloughan talks to the media after the Redskins’ final selection.

—The Redskins last played a game 111 days ago. It will be 135 days until they host the Steelers in their 2016 season opener.

Days until: Rookie minicamp 13; OTAs start 24; Redskins training camp starts 89

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Pay attention to these last four rounds of the draft today. The Redskins have found some pretty good players there. Since 1980 the Redskins have drafted 221 players in Round 4 and later. Here are the five best among those who played most of their careers in Washington.

G Mark Schlereth (Round 10-1989)—He actually split his career between the Redskins and Broncos even though he generally remembered more in Denver. But he played six seasons and went to one Pro Bowl in each city. Two of his Super Bowl rings come from the Broncos, one from Washington.

OL Raleigh McKenzie (11-1985)—Here’s another one that the Redskins drafted in a round that no longer exists. McKenzie might be one of the least-remembered Hogs but he did start for two Super Bowl winners. By the way, he’s currently a scout for the Raiders where he works for his identical twin brother, Oakland GM Reggie.

DE Dexter Manley (5-1981)—He remains the team career sack leader with 91 and with Ryan Kerrigan the active team leader with 47.5 he could be the career leader for quite some time. Manley could have more sacks but they weren’t an official stat until 1982, his second year in the league. In addition, his battles with substance abuse cost him a lot of games.

RB Stephen Davis (4-1996)—He could have threatened John Riggins’ career rushing record of 7,472 yards if Norv Turner had figured out what to do with him sooner. Davis languished on the bench and played some fullback for his first three seasons in the league. When he was made the starter in 1999 he responded by rushing for over 1,400 yards and scoring 17 touchdowns. In seven seasons in Washington he rushed for 5,790 yards before finishing up his career in Carolina and St. Louis.

QB Mark Rypien (6-1986)—Ah, the old days when a quarterback carried a clipboard for a while before being allowed to touch a football during a regulation game. Rypien spent two full seasons learning before replacing an injured Doug Williams in 1988. The rest, as they say, is history. His peak was short—he started 16 games in just two seasons. One of those was 1991 and he was good enough to lead the Redskins to one of the best seasons an NFL team has ever had including the Super Bowl, where he was the MVP.

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  1. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 30, 2016 at 7:11 AM

    Looks like McGlue has gone strict BPA and isn’t worrying about ‘getting younger and faster’ on the D.L. too much.

    • colorofmyskinz - Apr 30, 2016 at 8:03 AM

      Really SMH on the Fuller pick. I can understand the su’a pick. He can easily be a SS in the NFL, especially since he played S for a long time. That was a great pick. He will be our next Sean Taylor. But a torn meniscus on fuller to get another injuried CB after the Nornan pick when there were so many DLine sitting one spot away is baffling. I understand BPA, but not so sure about this one. I get it, he would have been top 20 without the Knee. But wow. Then Gruden trying to justify it by saying Murphy is now a DLine. Just does not sound right. Culliver is for sure in the cut block now.

      • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 30, 2016 at 8:50 AM

        It was Dr. James Andrews, Senior Consultant for the Washington Redskins, who performed Kendall Fuller’s surgery.

        So we’ve got that going for us…

      • hail74 - Apr 30, 2016 at 9:10 AM

        In two years the Fuller pick could look really smart and forward thinking considering where Norman’s contract numbers will be and more than likely needing to offer Breeland a huge raise. In the meantime he plays the nickel if healthy. Love the pick.

      • bangkokben - Apr 30, 2016 at 9:11 AM

        Murphy is a DL now and perhaps THAT has effected the picks. That is a legit thing to say but probably Gruden grasping at straws with a microphone in front of him. I don’t think Culliver is on “the cut block” just yet. I had been saying all along that they could still draft a corner high if he can play in the slot. Last thing they want to do is move Breeland to slot. Looks to me that it is insurance for both Culliver and Jarrett this year.

        • ET - Apr 30, 2016 at 12:07 PM

          Culliver is not on the chopping block just yet, but he’s not NOT there either (if I may employ the double negative). Culliver’s position seems quite precarious at the moment. Jarrett, I think they love the guy, but we’ll see if he even plays a down in 2016 (or beyond).

        • bangkokben - Apr 30, 2016 at 10:12 PM

          I don’t think Culliver is in danger of getting released until 2017. This year, he’s got to heal and show that he is at least returning to form. If not, then he’s gone in February.

      • colorofmyskinz - Apr 30, 2016 at 10:12 AM

        Gotcha, the many relies here helped me see it more clearly. Hope he is ready to contribute this year.

    • kenlinkins - Apr 30, 2016 at 8:37 AM

      True, but if you have to have a few Older / Slower guys on the field I would want them on the DL and not at OLB, FS, SS, or CB. Not sure what today will bring, just hoping that the GM finds more late round gold.

  2. Mr.moneylover - Apr 30, 2016 at 7:26 AM

    Was told Andrew billings is not on the redskins list…they most likely know something that we don’t about this kid

    • pyroman99 - Apr 30, 2016 at 7:44 AM

      This is increasingly mysterious. A guy generally considered late 1st / early 2nd doesn’t fall like he has without something serious going on. And with all the social media out there, the “radio silence” is baffling.

      Rich, what are you hearing?

      • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 30, 2016 at 7:52 AM

        1. Andrew Billings, DT, Baylor (6-1, 310, 5.04, Jr.)

        Billings, who was a record-setting weight-lifter in high school, flashes dominant qualities when he keeps his pad level low, rolls his hips and pushes his momentum into the pocket. As the technique and discipline catch up, Billings should continue to get better. There is something going on, possibly an unknown injury, for him to fall this far in the draft.

        • bangkokben - Apr 30, 2016 at 11:28 AM

          Just saw Ian from the NFL network say that teams just see him as two down player that there is no injury or character problem there.

      • bangkokben - Apr 30, 2016 at 9:16 AM

        This HAPPENS EVERY YEAR to someone. Morgan Moses fell in a year deep with OTs. This is not a mystery. This is simply the NFL scouts having a DIFFERENT consensus about a player than the pundits. OMG! This is why I HATE mock drafts and mock them every year. Don’t fall in love with a player until he puts on the B&G.

        • Skulb - Apr 30, 2016 at 10:58 AM

          Moses is very high on my list of best draft selections for the last few years. Just based off last year he’s amazing value for a third rounder.

        • devlyn310188 - Apr 30, 2016 at 9:09 PM

          “Don’t fall in love with a player until he puts on the B&G”… This

    • John - Apr 30, 2016 at 9:40 PM

      Word on Billings was that teams loved or didn’t. There was no in between.

  3. kenlinkins - Apr 30, 2016 at 8:32 AM

    Hey Realredskins Nation! Give your self a little pat on the back. I saw many players picked last night that many of us had in our draft simulators as late round gold. Guys like CB: Davis, Bradberry, Worley DE: Ngakoue, Nassib, DT: Gotsis, RB: Prosise QB: Brissett, Kessler just to name a few. Some how we Realredskins readers beat many of the so called experts who get paid to grade these players. Maybe Rich’s little web site has had a positive effect over the years as the knowledge level of the readers seems to be getting much better. We seem to be learning from Rich / each other and becoming better football fans. The bad news that we need to go back and dig out some more late round gold to replace the guys the experts missed on. As for the Redskins draft to date: I am sold that the Redskins dodged a bullet when they passed on Treadwell and took Josh Doctson, The Su’a Cravens pick was really good IMO, and the 3rd pick of Kendall Fuller could be something great if he recovers. Seems like all the talk about DL early was a smoke screen by the Redskins GM. Seems like he was using BPA with all 3 picks. While I might be able to find a guy or two who I might have rated higher when the Reskins picked, none were so far ahead that I could say “there is no debate, I am right”. So, Way to go RealRedskins Nation! Keep beating the experts and thanks Rich for all the great insight. God, I love football…..

    • murphsman - Apr 30, 2016 at 9:14 AM

      How did they dodge a bullet with Treadwell?

      • kenlinkins - Apr 30, 2016 at 10:32 AM

        After watching Treadwell give his post pick interview on TV, my first reaction was not positive. They asked him about the letters he mailed to all 32 teams and why he did it. His answer didn’t fit what I want in a football player. Maybe it is just me but I am glad the Redskins passed on him. Many had him as the top WR in the draft but he was the 4th WR picked. Maybe the letter had something to do with it.

        • Skulb - Apr 30, 2016 at 10:55 AM

          You’re doing the same thing I am doing: waiting for the Skins to select a player before falling in love with him. The only football players I root for wear B&G.

        • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 30, 2016 at 11:39 AM

          Doctson was the only WR I wanted us picking, if we were to use a 1st on a WR.

          All along…you can check!


    • ET - Apr 30, 2016 at 11:26 AM

      Cravens is a player who wasn’t on my radar at all, but he immediately becomes the most intriguing pick to me. I love the super-athletic tweener types, but they clearly require a DC with a vision and creativity. We’ll see if Barry (and his crew) has those attributes, but based on the way he used Jarrett, Hall and Blackmon at times, I’m optimistic. (Not that Cravens will be used in the secondary, but that positional lines can be blurred with the right players.)

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 30, 2016 at 12:01 PM

        I’d say he is more skilled than an athletic player. Very pedestrian in certain areas like 4.6/40 and 30 inch vertical leap. My guess is he’ll provide added pressure and work more in the box like a SS. I think most others project him this way as well. One reported him putting on 25 pounds to play a true linebacker position in the future. I’m not sure I agree with adding weight to become a natural ILB.

        • ET - Apr 30, 2016 at 12:18 PM

          I’m guessing Cravens gets used as a hybrid SS / designated coverage ‘backer (lining up as either or both), but we’ll see.

          They’ve obviously got a number of defensive players now—including Cravens, Smith, Murphy, Baker, Jarrett, Hall and Blackmon—who’re positionally flexible. That’s exciting. I’m really curious to how this defense develops over the next couple of seasons.

  4. bangkokben - Apr 30, 2016 at 9:19 AM

    Hopefully, we can add Kirk Cousins to the list in the future.

    • Skulb - Apr 30, 2016 at 10:56 AM

      I think he’s borderline there already. One more good season should do it.

  5. redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 30, 2016 at 10:56 AM

    If there is anything that is becoming obvious is the direction the team seems to be going on defense. Instead of going after the talented big bruisers along the line, they are going after the more skill position players, the ball hawks, and loading up the talent on coverage. Add in the plans of moving Trent Murphy on the line and YES Preston Smith will play there as well and what I see is a leaner defensive unit that won’t overpower an offense but instead will attempt to beat you on execution, with ample pressure, and by forcing turnovers. With defenses being forced to play more nickle than a true base defense this is understandable. The question will be in the coming season is will it work?

    As a fan I’ll support the choices made until it doesn’t work. I can’t help to look at a team like the Jags and realize the picks I envisioned in this draft were something more along that direction. I only bring up the Jags because in the last two seasons, I’ve really liked their choices so it’ll be something to compare between the two teams in the coming seasons. I hope I can look back and see I was dead wrong.

  6. Skinssince73 - Apr 30, 2016 at 11:54 AM

    What is happening with Andrew Billings? Did I miss something? Why is he still undated?

  7. mtskins - Apr 30, 2016 at 11:54 AM

    No matter how much disagree with a pick today always remember at least we didn’t draft a Kicker in the 2nd and trade up to do it.

  8. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 30, 2016 at 12:49 PM

    I wonder if McGlue will make a pic at 120 or try to turn it into some 5th/6th rounders.

    • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 30, 2016 at 1:15 PM

      Trade it is. Hope we got good stuff!

      • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 30, 2016 at 1:22 PM

        So we gave up our 4th this year for a 5th this year and another 5th in 2017?

        That doesn’t seem like great value, does it?

        • mtskins - Apr 30, 2016 at 1:23 PM

          Yeah. Scot got more picks I guess. Bililngs goes right after

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 30, 2016 at 1:30 PM

        Well the Skins received a middle 13th selection in the 5th for this season. So it depends what the slot will be at 5th for 2017. Of course, the earlier it is the better the value. What’s most important is that Scot didn’t have a player he wanted enough to stay put in this round.

  9. mtskins - Apr 30, 2016 at 1:02 PM

    There goes Ridgeway

    • ET - Apr 30, 2016 at 2:34 PM

      Kinda bummed about Ridgeway and a few others, but still lots of good value all over the place.

      Unlike many past drafts, Scot keeps it relevant and interesting until the bitter end. For that I’m grateful.

  10. redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 30, 2016 at 1:22 PM

    Still more questions than answers from this draft. Scot is keeping this one interesting to the end.

  11. goback2rfk - Apr 30, 2016 at 1:24 PM

    Great draft. Thanks Gm

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 30, 2016 at 1:26 PM

      At this point, you are either you are being overly optimistic or pessimistically sarcastic.

      • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 30, 2016 at 2:07 PM

        Jeff Hendrick ‎@Volsman22

        @Rich_TandlerCSN Man, Redskins fans act like we all just missed out on a Lombardi trophy because we aren’t picking in the 4th

        That isn’t my whine, Rich. It’s that the 5th this year and a 5th next year (take off 1 round for future value discount) and we sacrificed a bit to make the deal. Obviously, it isn’t the biggest thing in the world. I really like our first 3 picks.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 30, 2016 at 3:00 PM

          Well, I’m not sure of the accuracy of the weighted values from the link. However at 120 the Skins gave up a 54 weighted value while getting a 30.2. Let’s assume the values are the same next season. They can get as low as Arizona’s 167th pick and it still is slightly more the value of 54 that was given.

        • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 30, 2016 at 3:14 PM

          But they aren’t the same next season.

          A pick now is worth more than the same pick a year from now.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 30, 2016 at 3:59 PM

          There needs to be faces on the those picks to make a real determination.

  12. hail74 - Apr 30, 2016 at 2:39 PM

    Nfl mobile description of DT we just took.” Muscle shark not afraid to do dirty work”. I like him already

  13. kenlinkins - Apr 30, 2016 at 3:50 PM

    Rich, I saw in the late 2nd round and 3rd round that many of the later round value picks and IMO under rated players were drafted very early. IMO the Redskins GM just didn’t see the value of what was sitting there and was willing to do the smart thing (i.e. get picks for next year). The main value of these later round picks IMO is that they good trade bait if the injury bug hits and you require another teams back up player. They can also be used to trade up next year if you see a player you think is worth it. I like this GM’s way of gaining total value, building a asset, and long term thinking. As a GM, if you do not believe in the guy you are drafting, it is unfair to both the team and the player to go ahead and take him. If I am correct about the GM’s value driven thinking, he must have rated the new FA CB Norman shy high to do that deal. Your thoughts!

  14. redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 30, 2016 at 6:19 PM

    You have to really like the last two picks in the 7th.

  15. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 30, 2016 at 8:19 PM

    Our draft makes sense if you think 99.9% of what we heard from McGlue was smokescreen.

    “We’re going to get younger and faster on the defensive line.”

    One pick, #152 in the 5th round, was used on the D.L.

    “This is a very deep draft, and we want to add more picks later if we can.”

    We turned our 4th round pick into a Saints 5th round pick this year, and another 5th next year.

    Then we traded our original 5th round pick to the Jets for a 4th round pick in 2017.

    Translation, maybe?

    “We aren’t going to worry about the D.L. much at all, and we’ll hope other teams spend their picks there. Also, after the 3rd round this draft stinks. We’ll try to get more picks in 2017.”

    • bangkokben - Apr 30, 2016 at 10:21 PM

      I love the trading for next year’s picks philosophy. New England has been doing this for years. Then you’ve got ammunition to move up if you desire and you’ve got cheap labor if you spend your whole cap on re-signing your own — which is quite the possibility next year. McCloughan sure can see the big picture (this year, next year, and the next year) and not get so focused on just this coming season. Here’s to the undrafted FAs that will make the final 53.

  16. Mr.moneylover - Apr 30, 2016 at 9:35 PM

    Keith Marshall is 5-11 but hes got enough muscle and physical enough to break tackles he’s a very rear talent hard to find those kinda guys Archives

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