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CSN: Redskins take Doctoson with an eye towards 2017

Apr 28, 2016, 11:55 PM EDT

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The Redskins took a wide receiver with their first-round pick in the draft. Those of you who frequent this place might recall the blogger here saying that a WR was very much a first-round possibility. You can read Tandler’s quick, early thoughts on the pick on CSNmidatlantic.com

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  1. COSkinsFan - Apr 29, 2016 at 12:10 AM

    Really happy with this pick. It would be awesome if billings is still there for us tommorrow. If hes not there should still be some good dline or Nick Martin and then take Braxton Miller in the third.

    • Josh - Apr 29, 2016 at 12:15 AM

      Braxton Miller is not needed one bit man inside linebacker dt safety center and rb

  2. redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 12:14 AM

    He was not a need pick but if he turns out to be an elite possession wide out then that will prove his value.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 12:17 AM

      BTW – 4.5 speed as a wide out is NOT good speed. It’s sub-par speed but if his route running is efficient then it can make up for the lack of elite speed you’d expect as a 1st pick selection.

      • goback2rfk - Apr 29, 2016 at 12:32 AM

        It is OK to come and say you do not like the pick! That is why you are on here chatting anyways. Go ahead and say it, you don’t think he deserved the selection.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 12:49 AM

          I’m not sure, but if you hire someone to work countless hours to find a major contributor to the team. I’d expect you fortify an area where the need is the biggest. A player of lesser need that you could have traded down to in the 2nd doesn’t seem one of those guys, do you agree?

      • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 29, 2016 at 1:10 AM

        Who thinks we could have traded down and got Doctson?

        The Vikings would have taken him with the next pick!
        ~

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 12:58 PM

          …and you know this because you work for which GM?

          Who thought Myles Jack or Jarren Reed would not have been selected in the 1st?

          The point is you don’t know what the Vikings would have done. You only THINK you do.

        • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 29, 2016 at 4:59 PM

          I think I know that 31 teams agreed that Jarran Reed, A’Shawn Jackson, and Andrew Billings would have been reaches in the 1st round.

          And that the Bengals wanted a WR, but with the top 4 off the board they took a CB instead.

          Someone is being obtuse here, and it isn’t me.
          ~

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 6:17 PM

          “Someone is being obtuse here, and it isn’t me.”
          Self denial doesn’t help your case.

        • greed - Apr 29, 2016 at 6:36 PM

          imo you take the best player available with highest grade on your board that fits your system that how u build talent to your roster, when u start drafting for need for a certain position you take a higher risk at picking a player who wont develop, after the first 2 picks were off the board mel kiper had doctson ranked as #6 available player he was high on alot of draft boards / skins took an impact difference maker player in the first round there are plenty good defensive players in draft trust in scott so far he been doing a gd job as GM

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 7:21 PM

          I was misleading by stating it was a need pick. I do agree BPA is the smartest approach. I just also believe that there were some D-lineman that would have better fit the BPA than Josh Doctson. So certainly defensive line is a more immediate need pick than WR and their were a few players on the defensive side that could have been BPA at 21.

          I also totally get the idea there are more defensive linemen so you can be patient. However the drop off when you get to the latter 2nd round could be significant. I would have fully embraced going #1 and #2 for the defensive line and prefer that over WR at #1.

      • John - Apr 29, 2016 at 7:37 AM

        I remember a guy who used to run a 4.5 and wore #80 for the 49ers and another guy who ran a 4.55 and wore #81 for the Skins. Last I recall, both are in the Hall of fame. Old #42 was not the fastest guy, nor was #88 for Dallas. By your standards, none of those guys would have been drafted.

        You draft, best available, not for need. Were the DLineman coming off the board, pick after pick, they would have gone there. As it was, there are more than enough with questions, so, their still hanging. Lots of DLine depth but are they as good as fans thought?

        Doctson catches everything thrown at him. He can really jump. He is not the fastest but gets the job done. He works. He was a walk on at TCU. It also helps that his receivers coach played in the pros. If the ball is anywhere near him he’ll catch it. Think Chris Carter.

        • skinsgame - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:19 AM

          B-B-Bu-But… “Need”! Lol.

        • dcfaninecuador - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:59 AM

          Thanks John. Great comparisons for those blinded by “speed”. This pick goes to show that just maybe these guys know a wee bit more about football than any of us do. The linemen are there and will be there tomorrow and the next day. This pick gives options next year should they lose Garçon and Jackson. It’s not rebuilding, it’s preparing for the future.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 12:40 PM

          Who stated running 4.5 makes a player unworthy of a draft pick?

          Throwing in a few HOF that played decades ago doesn’t prove any point at all. There was plenty of defensive line talent that many would call a BPA than Josh. Nothing you stated was relevant to my point.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 12:41 PM

          When you look at SB Champions think D-line not WR.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 12:43 PM

          “Great comparisons for those blinded by “speed”.”

          Horrible comparisons no one is blinded by speed in this discussion. You’re just blinded by logic.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 12:44 PM

          B-B-Bu-But… “Weak”! Lol

        • John - Apr 29, 2016 at 2:58 PM

          Redskins name:

          If those DLinemen, pick one, was “elite” they would have been off the board long before the Skins picked. Personally, considering they come from Alabama which is loaded makes me doubt how good they really are.

          Regarding my comment about those receivers from “decades ago” you obviously have no clue. Speed is only one component. Jackson has plenty of speed but if he had to run crossing patterns or catch over the middle in traffic to any degree, he’d get killed. There are plenty of receivers with speed who not done a damn thing in the NFL. What did Ron Brown or Willie Gault ever do? Guys like Monk and Rice were dependable. They caught everything around them and were rarely injured. They also demanded double teams despite their “sub par” speed. The Posse was successful, not because of speed, it was they could all beat single coverage.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 4:42 PM

          “If those DLinemen, pick one, was “elite” they would have been off the board long before the Skins picked.”

          That’s no incorrect, it’s hard to fathom. Elite players are NOT defined by where they are drafted. They are defined by what they do on the field. Every year players are picked too high or too late. I used a similar analogy and it applies to your thinking. Basing your argument would then suggest that Ray Lewis, Tom Brady, or Joe Montana were not elite. The fact is even great GMs are wrong at least half the time.

          It’s you that is clueless since you continue to want to argue over premise that doesn’t exists. I never suggested you had to have speed to be an elite player or to be drafted in the 1st round. I just suggested that at 4.5, Josh has sub-par speed for an NFL wide out. Of course there other skills that make any player at any position great and most don’t require elite or even ideal speed.

          What Josh will have to prove in the NFL is can he get separation off his routes. If he can still manage to do that then 4.5 is more than sufficient to succeed.

          The whole purpose of my comment was to state that potential elite defenders were passed up for a position that recent SB contenders have proven doesn’t need to be a elite class in order to succeed. Meanwhile elite defensive line was key to many teams success on their way to a title.

    • Skulb - Apr 29, 2016 at 3:40 PM

      It was a bit of a need pick though. Both Garcon and Jackson are up next year and drafting Crowder and now Doctson gives the Redskins some leverage if they want to re-sign one of those guys at a pay cut. I take it for granted that Roberts is done and I still haven’t been convinced by either Grant or Ross as starters. As backups and on ST they’re fine and can be developed. But you need more at starting WR, particularly from your #1 guy. And that is what Doctson will be in 17 I’m sure.
      Even if both Garcon and Jackson are lost after this season the Skins should be fine at WR. That makes this a need pick long term.

    • lezziemcdykerson - Apr 29, 2016 at 3:59 PM

      Bring that tale here boy! I’m just going to copy and paste what I told you on March 4th when I first called for JD to get picked:
      Not fantasy football. Reality football. (Insert TM logo here) If the draft is deep in defensive talent and there are only a few gems offensively at positions of need can’t you realistically have several guys on your board to address a specific defensive position? Where if one guy gets picked there’s 10 more on the board to take his place. Suring up a position that is headed into to sure uncertainty would be worth the risk for a guy that looks that good. Maybe you’d like some precedent. Remember that MADTV almost took Amari Cooper but Oakland got him first? No? Remember that guy Fred Davis? We waited until his contract year to draft a TE and guess which team finished with an OL as a second string TE? Now of course then, TE wasn’t a tremendous area of need, we had Davis a strong running game and WR’s on fresh contracts. So the skill positions looked set and the offensive scheme supported your “it can wait” rhetoric. Fast forward a few years and Rich is already posting about having to wait to resign Reed (whom we already hold our breath for every time he’s tackled hard, cause Niles Paul couldn’t catch a cold in the CDC.) Oh and now that issue is compounded with STILL needing quality backups at TE and RB PLUS the defense… oh and WR. Throw in that it looks like we’ll be utilizing the short yardage game more with Kirk and suddenly TE becomes a priority on offense. So I guess it sounds fantastical enough especially for the first round but if the guy turns out to be a sure handed, toes-in-TD redskin killer remember I was the only one that lobbied for him. If he’s Roy Williams then I will conveniently forget that I ever liked him and lobby to have you blocked from the site so you can’t bring it up again. I don’t want to pick him because it’s the secksy pick (maybe a little bit) but because I don’t want our WR situation to look like our TE position.. one injury away from real contention.

      I’m not going to argue with you just click and revisit our past discussion and understand this was the right decision
      http://realredskins.com/2016/03/04/need-to-know-where-does-the-redskins-jay-gruden-rank-among-nfl-head-coaches/#comment-40440

      That’s under 1000 words right Trey?

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 6:54 PM

        No doubt you did a great job reading on who Scot may draft. However, this doesn’t mean it was the right decision. We’ll see how Dotson does before discussing what decision was right. You made the right call on the selection but the outcome may be a whole different story. Dotson’s biggest question is can he get separation in the NFL. So let’s see his career plays out in the next few season! I hope you and Scot are right on the call since I pay to attend these games and I want to see a winner on the field.

        I made the same call on Schreff selection last season but I’m not doing back flips over it! However, I give you even higher props making that call at 21.

        Also, it would be advisable to break out your statements or even provide multiple comments instead of just one. Some of your comments are excessively long and I, like many, give up reading them at times. Oh and yeah; that’s coming from someone who isn’t very concise with his own comments.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Apr 29, 2016 at 7:36 PM

          “Dotson’s biggest question is can he get separation in the NFL.” You don’t need to get tremendous separation when you have a 41.5 vertical. Throw it up. You made the same call with Schreff and didn’t do backflips over it yet felt the need to pat yourself on the back there. Yes, I saw what you did there. Lastly That was literally cut and paste from our earlier discussion in which YOU DID read my response because you replied multiple times.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 7:47 PM

          Dotson has got major leaps and he’ll be a sure handed red zone target. However for a 1st pick you want to a guy who can get open all over the field. He’ll fight for the ball on every pass and win many but you also want the guy to stretch defenses by getting separation. The offense needed a guy who could replace Jackson. Otherwise, we’ll have defenses playing up tight and using cover zero or one like last season. Dotson is a great replace for Garcon but the team will still have issues at WR next season without a viable replacement for Jackson.

          Oh that wasn’t a pat on the back you saw, That was an inch that needed to be scratched.

          Seriously though that was a nice call you made.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Apr 29, 2016 at 9:51 PM

          “Dotson is a great replace for Garcon but the team will still have issues at WR next season without a viable replacement for Jackson. ” You just answered you own question smart guy. If we drafted Garcon’s replacement guess who is getting the extension? Now you have the full compliment of receivers 1. Speedster, take the top off the defense. 2. Big strong possession guy that won’t need to separate from DBs he’s taller than. Mind you, you keep saying oh wah wah 4.5 like there isn’t such thing as game speed. People tend to run faster when being chased, not timed. 3. Competent sure handed slot guy that can find holes in the defense.

          You weren’t high on Will Fuller hmmmmm *hops in time machine* ah ah aheeemmmm MAR 5TH YOU STATED:
          “Possible but I just think any possible offensive gems are not going to be around by the 21st pick. I’m not even sure there is a wide receiver worth viewing as a offensive gem. I like Will Fuller the most based on what I could see which was limited. I am more ignorant on the field of receivers this year than past years.”

          To which I responded: “Remember, just because you don’t have a high grade on him doesn’t make it fact.” So don’t blame Trey that was all you

          http://realredskins.com/2016/03/04/need-to-know-where-does-the-redskins-jay-gruden-rank-among-nfl-head-coaches/#comment-40440 Read it for yourself… or don’t we know you have your limits.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 10:28 PM

          My statement was clear who I THOUGHT was the best WR in the draft. However, it in NO WAY implicates me being HIGH on the guy. I only stated he was the one that I liked the best out of the group. I’m not blaming Trey. I just didn’t recall the conversation and I even provided a disclaimer that you copied out …”I am more ignorant on the field of receivers this year than past years.””

          “1. Speedster, take the top off the defense.”
          WHO for next year can do this???

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 10:31 PM

          You’re starting to act like a real douche so this must have been on the first times you ever got something right.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 6:58 PM

        ” If he’s Roy Williams then I will conveniently forget that I ever liked him and lobby to have you blocked from the site so you can’t bring it up again.”

        That would be a wise move if JD does play out like Roy Williams.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Apr 29, 2016 at 7:45 PM

          A wise move but an unlikely one since the guy can actually catch and doesn’t have Joey Harrington throwing the ball. I can’t remember who it was I think it was Trey Gregory or whoever the Baylor Alum is, that compared him to AJ Green. JD had top marks in almost every category of the combine. You stated you liked Will Fuller over JD with his Ted Ginnian hands therefore your assessment of WR talent is being thrown out lol. I literally cannot think of ONE receiver who had the “but can he catch?” flaw excel at the next level. Not saying there isn’t one out there but I can’t think of one WR that had catching in the CONS column be the #1 WR. So in a sense you can pat yourself on the back for that, he was the #1 receiver taken but I definitely don’t think he’ll have a better career than JD.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 7:51 PM

          I wasn’t that high on Will Fuller or any Wide Out in this draft. So that had to be Trey.

        • lezziemcdykerson - May 2, 2016 at 6:24 PM

          ” I like Will Fuller the most based on what I could see which was limited.”

          *Grabs your hand and walks you down common sense lane*

          This is called showing preference smart guy. Out of all the WR’s in the draft THE ONE you chose to name in contrast to me liking JD was THE ONE GUY THAT CAN’T CATCH. Then you claimed you never liked him it must’ve been Trey. Now you’re saying well I only said it because I offered a disclaimer which is the most “I-have-an-opinion-but, just-in-case-it’s-stupid-don’t-quote-me-on- it” thing I’ve seen here to date. Stop it. I’m sure you’d know a D bag when you see it since I’m pretty sure that’s the orifice you’re spewing all of this from. Get outta here.

          If you don’t like the pick say you don’t like the pick we should’ve went defense. Not. “Oh JD can’t get separation” He’s 6’2″ who is the tallest corner in our division? It may be advisable for you to stop replying with your hair splitting assessment of Doctson. Guys gonna tear it up and everyone can see it but you.

          Oh and the speedster would be DJax who, I guess you couldn’t figure it out when I posed it as a question smart guy so I will break it down.

          You said JD is a great replacement for Garcon but who is going t replace Jax? Well Both are in contract years. The prevailing theory, and it is just a theory so no it’s not set in stone but, one of them should be getting an extension. Now if we signed JD who is a younger bigger Garcon then who just became expendable? Garcon right? So who does that leave to receive the extension? The speed guy right? *releases hand and allows you to run back off into traffic*

  3. goback2rfk - Apr 29, 2016 at 12:35 AM

    1ST Round Selection Grade: C+

    Was hoping for more of an impact player, possibly on the defensive side of the ball. Will take the WR but was hoping for either a burner or a Mike Evans. A 4.5 guy is not what you would expect but he lets hope he turns out to be the next rookie of the year.

    • lezziemcdykerson - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:08 PM

      I love the “more of an impact” gripe. What was our record when DJax was out? A few years back Pierre missed significant time, what was our record then? When Jordan Reed goes down (as a fan I shouldn’t say “when” because I desperately want this guy to find some durability) and Cousins needs a reliable target, not Niles, who will he turn to? 420 was 9 days ago but I need whatever y’all had because you guys seem so eager to just wanna throw the house on defense. IT’S A DEFENSIVE DRAFT! Why are you reaching? Billings STILL THERE. Reed still there. Robinson STILL THERE. Ragland STILL THERE( picked while I was typing). Guys with 1st round grades still available day 2. And now you see why there is a glass case to the panic button because for some of y’all it doesn’t take much to fluster you.

  4. wncskinsfan - Apr 29, 2016 at 2:03 AM

    This signing makes great sense to me, esp. with the signing of Norman (they bought a first round pic, plus, virtually), and the need to resign other players coming up, and maybe a big Cousins contract. Cap room. The money that this guy will save us will help allow for other signings. You have to start looking around at where we have large amount of cap tied up, that would be WR, it’s quite off balance. Somebody put it best that Scot is “playing Chess not checkers.” Indeed. Garcon and Jackson are big hits, keep them this year, but next year we will lose one or both. That is a big hole looming in 2017. That’s looking a few moves down the road, and that’s just plain smart. What, draft a rookie WR next year, and hire a pain in the butt expensive FA WR . . . how often does that work out? I hope we keep Garcon as .Jackson will lose that speed, and then he is a little guy missing a step who really is not much of a team player. Garcon is a bruiser. He will teach this new guy how to be a pro, too. Plus, finally we got a serious wr, a red zone threat, a jump baller, one who can have fade passes thrown to him. Line him up with Reed, it’s mismatch time. A solid, smart, respectable signing. And for sure, there is impact, both on the field and in the office, this year, and for years to come hopefully. Chess. Not checkers. I give it an A. plus they got a pick for next year. sweet. Scot builds teams, not one season wonders.

  5. pyroman99 - Apr 29, 2016 at 7:15 AM

    Surprised at this pick – not the player, but the position. Although I understand the reasoning – insurance against injury this year, and WR salary cap next year. But Reed and Robinson have been graded as elite DTs, which is a more immediate need, and highly unlikely to be around at #53. Hopefully we’ll be able to get a 2nd-tier but still good DT – I’m just worried about a run on DTs that leaves us empty-handed.

    FWIW, I think Scot sees us as in rebuilding mode, looking for long-term value. In that context, it also makes sense to give Kirk all the weapons he needs, so that we can truly evaluate his play and see whether he’s worth a long-term deal.

    • Rich Tandler - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:49 AM

      It’s apparent that 31 teams have voted and don’t think that Reed and Robinson are “elite”.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 12:49 PM

        Yeah maybe but 25 teams thought the same about Ray Lewis. You can find many similar examples which makes debating passing on others justifiable.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:11 PM

          Well our GM has kind of made a name for himself finding pro bowlers in late round picks. Why is everyone so boohooey over a WR going first like we can afford to resign both and still improve OR let both walk and still have a semblance of 15′

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:57 PM

          I just wasn’t high on this WR draft class when picking one in the 1st.

      • John - Apr 30, 2016 at 1:29 AM

        Rich,
        Funny how everyone was screaming DLine, DLine, DLine. The team totally passed on DLinemen. Even the supposedly “elite” ones. When the opportunity was there.
        There seems to be a common theme here. Doctson was a known quantity. The other 2, we had no clue and apparently the Skins never gave any hints, though it should be mentioned that during the interview at the owners meeting (breakfast presser) they dropped hints that they were OK with what they had on the DLine. The players also seemed to have no clue and mentioned they met the coaches at the combine briefly. Total poker face.

        Next time the press should look for “under the radar”players and not focus on the “known quantities”. I’m sure folks saw plenty of the name players during the season or some highlights but the kid from USC was in the background and Fuller has talent and a ball hawk on a defense centric team but injured. Come to think of it, we never heard of Preston or Keyshon or BS as potentials before last years draft. Just something to consider.

    • hail74 - Apr 29, 2016 at 3:26 PM

      Who graded Reed and Robinson as elite? I saw plenty of people with first round projections but not one of those guys currently works for a professional team. I also saw a lot of lists updated yesterday that bumped butler above those guys. All these DLs are the same, run stuffers with no pass rush skills. Hardly screams elite to me but I’m no more a pro scout than anyone on here.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 4:47 PM

        How many pro scouts passed on Tom Brady? Do you think the even are right half the time they select a player projected to be elite. Jarren Reed was considered elite and not just before the draft during most of last season in college many classified the man elite. Now Robinson I’m not convinced he was considered in the same class as Reed.

        • John - Apr 29, 2016 at 6:05 PM

          Most teams don’t have Vinnie running the show. Montana was a 4th rounder and Brady a 6th and Romo and Kurt Warner were free agent nobody’s. Its not as if the teams are sitting back years later and say if only we drafted player A over player B. It happens.

          Regarding “elite” linemen the Skins traded back in 2011 and got Kerrigan, in the process passing on JJ Watt and we got all those picks that have not amounted to much. Watt however is an “elite” lineman.

          Regarding defenses with “elite” lineman, hard to find one in recent memory. Denver had a great pass rush but that was because they had numerous pass rushers that came in waves. Seattle and New England? Pittsburgh, Green Bay, New Orleans. Sounds like your argument is getting weaker by the moment. Tick, tick, tick…

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 6:37 PM

          So you start by stating a bunch of the obvious that has nothing to anything. I have no idea what point you are trying to make. You just make no freaking sense.

          Just read the cluster of “muddleness” below…
          “Regarding defenses with “elite” lineman, hard to find one in recent memory. Denver had a great pass rush but that was because they had numerous pass rushers that came in waves. Seattle and New England? Pittsburgh, Green Bay, New Orleans. Sounds like your argument is getting weaker by the moment. Tick, tick, tick…”

          Denver had a great pass rush because what???
          Do you even know what you are talking about??
          Defenses with elite lineman are hard to find?
          Have you every heard of DeMarcus Ware or Malik Jackson?
          Do you even know what team they played for last season?

          Yeah they sent pass rushers in waves so it’s just simple as that, huh?

          That tick, tick, tick, is your mind about implode!

        • hail74 - Apr 29, 2016 at 6:50 PM

          Name, do you find it ironic that you admonished a posters outdated example of jerry rice and art monk in response to your speed concerns earlier only to then use one yourself? Again, the question was who said they were elite? How does a guy who gets 1 sack a year elite? Good, sure but that’s hardly elite.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 7:12 PM

          “How does a guy who gets 1 sack a year elite? Good, sure but that’s hardly elite.’

          If you know defenses in football then you know players have certain roles. Also, it takes more than sacks to make a player elite. Pressures are just as important and some players create opportunities for others to get those pressures and sacks.

          As to who called Reed elite well here is just one of many examples from 7 months ago. If you watch college ball closely then you knew the name Jarran Reed as one of the best defenders in the game. That came with little question.
          https://www.seccountry.com/alabama/alabama-dt-goes-from-unranked-to-top-10-in-todd-mcshays-draft-rankings

          Finally I didn’t admonish him for using out dated players. I admonish him for making the assumption I claimed that speed was required to be drafted at that spot. There is nothing in my statement that suggested such a premise. I only argued as a side note that reported good speed of 4.5 in the 40 for a WR is actually sub par.

        • John - Apr 29, 2016 at 7:15 PM

          Ware for the bulk of his career was a menace for Dallas until being signed by Denver as a free agent a couple of years ago. He was an end, converted to linebacker, now plays a little of both.

          Jackson also with Denver, signed away by Jacksonville in Free Agency a few weeks back.

          The real “elite” pass rusher is Von Miller. A linebacker.

          Let’s not forget they also have the kid they drafted out of Missouri, Shane, can’t remember his last name at the moment.

          Regarding the other Superbowl winners the last couple of years, I don’t seem to recall them having “elite” defensive linemen.

        • hail74 - Apr 29, 2016 at 7:29 PM

          So Todd McShay works for what pro team? That was my point. Tv scouts may have put him in their top 10 but the pros didn’t. Your right, no one is infallible in projecting a player but that includes the talking heads too.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:02 PM

          So Todd McShay works for what pro team? That was my point.

          Todd actually has a coaching background and worked with NFL scouts before going to TV. I’m not saying he is Gil Brandt but he can at least show you a football resume.

        • hail74 - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:07 PM

          Feels kind of silly to be arguing semantics over elite-good on Reed. We both would love to see him there for us in the second. I have to admit that I’m surprised by how many DLs have now gone ahead of him and wonder what we don’t know.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:12 PM

          “The real “elite” pass rusher is Von Miller. A linebacker.”

          Yes Von is as good as they come in pass rushers but there were other key components of that defense line that were elite as already mentioned.

          “Regarding the other Superbowl winners the last couple of years, I don’t seem to recall them having “elite” defensive linemen.”

          Seattle also had Cliff Avril on one side and Michael Bennett on the other. I think most would consider those player’s elite at their position.

          While Denver and Seattle defenses were quite different but stymied offenses with great defenses up front that did include some elite talent.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:27 PM

          “I have to admit that I’m surprised by how many DLs have now gone ahead of him and wonder what we don’t know.’

          Reed is regarded as a great run stuffer and may not be an every down linemen in the NFL.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:29 PM

          I’m actually hoping for Billings and Von Bell may be a good choice if the team already selected a D-lineman.

        • hail74 - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:32 PM

          That he’s viewed as a two down player is exactly why I wasn’t upset we passed him up in first. I would take billings as well but I’m also intrigued by Ridgeway. Battled injuries last year but could be three down player.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:36 PM

          I don’t know much about Ridgeway but I see he didn’t play his senior season so I assume he must be a raw talent.

        • John - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:39 PM

          Robinson was picked 5 picks before the Skins pick in round 2. Mike Jones of the Post says the Skins were not big on him.

          Reed, Billings, etc., are all still there. Actually, Reed just got picked by Seattle. Ragland went 10 picks ago. Scott M could have moved up if he thought they were all that.

          Seattle is known far more for their secondary (Chancellor, Sherman, Thomas).

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:42 PM

          “Seattle is known far more for their secondary (Chancellor, Sherman, Thomas).”
          I won’t argue that considering it’s the best secondary in the game right now. Seattle has elite talent all over the defensive side. Looks like they may grabbed another on with Jarran Reed.

        • John - Apr 30, 2016 at 12:57 AM

          Seattle has talent in the back end but the front seven is not all that.

          Regarding the Bama boys, they are not penetrators. In addition, having all the talent around them, they look better than they really are. Considering the SEC is supposed to be the best conference, how many SEC O Lineman from other SEC teams besides Tunsil have been drafted? Anybody can look good when blocked by inferior competition.

          Where is Billings? All those guys were supposed to be all that and a bag of chips. All picked 40+.

          Notice all the guys they drafted were not brought in for workouts. None were talked about in the press. All are instinctive football players.
          Everyone thought DLine. Apparently the coaches felt the current front 7 would be fine with the injured (Paea and Galette) coming back and continued development of Smith. Add in better players in the secondary and a dime backer/strong safety that can pick up tight ends, etc. Strength in numbers.

  6. smotion55 - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:42 AM

    Great pick, this kid catches everything, big time radius, he made Boykin’s completion percentage much better then he was, and if you noticed a lot of other teams were picking there board,. we got an extra pick out of this and not very many d-linemen came off the board. We will get the needs taken care off. Kelly was the pick he wanted in the 1st I believe , and would have gone with that if he was their
    The GM will trade down and get and extra pick or 2 in the process and we go d-lineman with our 1st pick tonight. I HOPE.

    • Skulb - Apr 29, 2016 at 3:46 PM

      Me too, but Kelly was always impossible with Indy drafting ahead of us. I was miming his name when Godell read it out because it was just the biggest no-brainer in the entire round. Luck basically broke a kidney or something last season. Not hiring protection for him would be aggravated assault.

  7. Mr.moneylover - Apr 29, 2016 at 1:13 PM

    Like I said if djax and p.garcon have a good year scot m. Will find away to keep both of them…josh doctson will be a reliable back up plan if they choose not to resign to the redskins I don’t believe redskins will get rid of players because they turning 31 we seen WRs play really well into they 30’s…and wow great minds think alike to see jay gruden compare him to WR AJ green like I wrote down show they did they homework on josh doctson

  8. bangkokben - Apr 29, 2016 at 2:41 PM

    What happened to the most recent page?

    One thing of very little note is that the Redskins by trading back have saved an additional $20,849. With that they can sign some undrafted free agents.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 4:51 PM

      I do like the trade back and nice work of picking up on the savings.

      Maybe the page is stuck in Austria?

      There was one guy reporting issues clicking video in that country when Rich reported his techs were looking into it. Suddenly, ….Poof!!!

    • lezziemcdykerson - Apr 29, 2016 at 11:12 PM

      LOL they can build that moat now!

  9. greed - Apr 29, 2016 at 6:44 PM

    some of u get to caught up in 40 times jerry rice ran 4.5-4.6 Dont remember him getting caught or having problem getting seperation , as a former athlete i know there a difference between track speed and football speed , can the 40 be a gd measuring tool? yes , but by no means does it always prove 100% of a players onfield speed and acceleration

  10. mtskins - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:08 PM

    Some picks to go. But looks like the board is setting up great for the Skins

  11. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:12 PM

    DT run is on. But we should still get one, with WRs and Safeties still out there.
    ~

  12. redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:15 PM

    Jacksonville’s defense could be very scary in a few years.

    • hail74 - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:33 PM

      Have to give them credit for being patient and truly building what could be a really good, young team

  13. mtskins - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:37 PM

    Reed gone. Billings Ridgeway still there

  14. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:38 PM

    Both Bama DTs gone now.
    ~

  15. redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:45 PM

    Texans jump up to take Nick Martin? Have to wonder if the Skins were considering him next. However, I think it was most likely Atlanta that was seeking him in this round.

    • Skulb - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:52 PM

      But didn’t they trade this pick with the Falcons? Doesn’t make much sense if they were after the same player I think.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:55 PM

        My bad; I didn’t know that’s the team they made the trade with.

  16. hail74 - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:47 PM

    I think you and I were the only ones here high on Hackenburg,Name and now he goes in second.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:53 PM

      I recall him playing a few years back and was thinking I can’t imagine what he is going to be like in a few years. Then a coaching changed appeared to derail all that for him.

      • hail74 - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:58 PM

        Same, Obrien had him looking like a top pick in a pro set

  17. mtskins - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:47 PM

    Cmon Billings

  18. Skulb - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:47 PM

    Jets took Hackenberg

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:51 PM

      Kid has crazy skills but needs to put it all together. I think James Franklin screwed him up. Hackenberg was well on his way to becoming one of the best QBs in college before he showed up.

      • Skulb - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:53 PM

        We’ll see presumably. At least he should have a decent chance at rising in the Ranks at the Jets. Although they do have the Baylor guy developing there already. Geno out, Fits starting and Mr Baylor and Hack backing up I guess. Interesting pick that and a little unexpected.

  19. hail74 - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:56 PM

    This has to be Billings, right?

    • hail74 - Apr 29, 2016 at 9:00 PM

      Guess not. Good pick tho.

      • mtskins - Apr 29, 2016 at 9:03 PM

        Fooled me too. Will be interesting to see where they plan to deploy Cravens. Not a bad pick

  20. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:57 PM

    Billings, Bullard, Hassan Ridgeway all available for D.L.

    And some CBs and safeties out there, too.
    ~

  21. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:58 PM

    ~

  22. redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:58 PM

    Interesting!

  23. Skulb - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:58 PM

    Cravens Su’a. This is a magnificent pick. Safety/LB hybrid to add depth to the entire backfield.

  24. mtskins - Apr 29, 2016 at 8:59 PM

    Ok

  25. redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 9:01 PM

    Is this our new Safety?

    • Skulb - Apr 29, 2016 at 9:06 PM

      What I heard was hybrid S/ILB. He was tipped to be targeted by the Patriots.

    • hail74 - Apr 29, 2016 at 9:08 PM

      I’m thinking Shaq Thompson or maybe Deon Buchannon. Will be great on ST also.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 9:15 PM

      He looks like one of those players known for his smarts and instincts. A 30 inch vertical is really low to with a 4.69/40. It will be interesting where they place him. He could be a specialty pass rusher or a safety to play in the box.

  26. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 29, 2016 at 9:01 PM

    I get the feeling us fans are fretting over that NT position a lot more than GM McGlue is.
    ~

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 9:04 PM

      Warren Sapp can use some money …bring ’em out of retirement.

      • gasngo14 - Apr 29, 2016 at 9:29 PM

        scot hasn’t hired you?

    • Skulb - Apr 29, 2016 at 9:12 PM

      I am starting to think that we’ll see Cedric or Baker at nose now. They only run 34 sets some of the time anyway so maybe it’ll be alright. I still vote we get a DT/DE with the third pick though. Even if we have the starters Scot and Jay want we’re a bit thin there after Hatcher’s retirement and Knighton’ s move.

  27. kenlinkins - Apr 29, 2016 at 9:25 PM

    What an interesting pick, one draft service had him as the Top SS in the draft. Most say this guys just loves to play football and is tuff as nails. I am not sure how he fits in a 3-4 set up as a weak side LB or ILB or even a SS but he should keep the other teams guessing what his duties are. Who says this GM isn’t in a gambling mood this year.

    • gasngo14 - Apr 29, 2016 at 9:36 PM

      he will be a great player for years to come!!!

    • bangkokben - Apr 29, 2016 at 10:12 PM

      Sounds like a
      …wait for it….
      football player.

      • hail74 - Apr 29, 2016 at 10:40 PM

        Have to hand it to you, I remember months ago you said we would be sure to draft a football player, good call!

  28. goback2rfk - Apr 29, 2016 at 9:45 PM

    Nice Pick. Really like Su’a who will be a great help for many years to come, Really happy with the versatile pick.

    2ND Round Grade: A

  29. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 29, 2016 at 9:54 PM

    It can now be said without a doubt: the fans opinion of where Andrew Billings should go differed greatly from that of all 32 teams.
    ~

  30. mtskins - Apr 29, 2016 at 10:26 PM

    32 Teams cant be wrong. Chance he is there in the 3rd. Crazy

  31. Skulb - Apr 29, 2016 at 10:28 PM

    Who names their son Adolf these days anyway?

  32. goback2rfk - Apr 29, 2016 at 10:33 PM

    Su’a is going to be huge. Love how they call him a ‘dime linebacker’ I think he is more like a Strong Safety. He will make some big plays for sure he can also get out and space and cover. This was a nice pick.

    • lezziemcdykerson - Apr 29, 2016 at 11:36 PM

      Yep that’s what I thought as well. Undersized SS. Can you imagine the packages? Our LB core is shaping up. I’m actually fine with going back and addressing C in the 4th if Billings gets picked. Who do we like still available?

  33. mtskins - Apr 29, 2016 at 10:34 PM

    Do we pass on Billings again!?

  34. hail74 - Apr 29, 2016 at 10:38 PM

    Well he’s there again. Could this be like when everyone wanted us to take local boy Moses in second, got mad when we didn’t because it was a need and we had been ignoring it, only to get him in third?

    • hail74 - Apr 29, 2016 at 10:42 PM

      I should just stop. Another nice pick!

      • Skulb - Apr 29, 2016 at 10:45 PM

        Looks like a good fit at least.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 10:59 PM

      Billings was fun to watch at the combine. He moved well for a guy his size. I know he came in short at 6’0 but who cares if he is capable of being a NT in the NFL.

      It’s obvious the ever trending passing league you have today is putting fewer big men on the field for very long. So maybe the value of the position is on a decline in terms of emphasis.

  35. mtskins - Apr 29, 2016 at 10:45 PM

    So I’m conflicted. Fuller is a great pick at this point. Crazy that Billings gets passed on again. Trust the process. First three rounds look good.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 10:51 PM

      Risk pick but has upside – “Allowed 16.7 yards per completion when he was fully healthy in 2014.”! That can not happen in the NFL.

      • mtskins - Apr 29, 2016 at 11:00 PM

        Hmmmmm.

        Fuller played at a very high level in 2014. He had 17 passes broken up and two interceptions, 50 tackles and 4.5 tackles for a loss.

        Stole that from another site. Maybe its not a true reflection but I read that the tape from last year was the issue.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 11:06 PM

          He reads like a ball hawk which may account for the high yardage per catch on him. I didn’t see how many catches went against him which is significant part of that stat. I mean if he only had 10 receptions on him that whole season then the yards per catch is a somewhat bloated number.

  36. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 29, 2016 at 10:47 PM

    ~

  37. redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 29, 2016 at 10:55 PM

    Billings may be on suicide watch at this point.

    • lezziemcdykerson - Apr 29, 2016 at 11:14 PM

      See why we say no reaching. If you pick him in the third you’re not expecting him to come in and produce right away. If Denver doesn’t take him while I’m typing he’ll be there tomorrow. Much less risk much more value.

  38. lezziemcdykerson - Apr 29, 2016 at 11:27 PM

    Now we’re looking at possibly getting Billings in the 4th.. who was our 4th rounder last year? Jamison Crowder, so there’s production to be found in the 4th. We have our LB that can cover (undersized strong safety?) to help the middle of the field quiet Jason Witten. We got a true BPA pick in Fuller, depth at corner. Who thinks Culliver is still around after he’s healed up? I’ve been preaching with the draft, we aren’t that far away on defense. We can cheat and win with EITHER a good secondary or a dominant front 7. After getting Norman I thought we’d cheat and get lucky with a NT in the third or fourth. Our front 7 is good enough to get home from generated coverage sacks but could be improved with a beast NT. I wasn’t expecting them to address both, DL and secondary but even I panicked and hit the button on Billings in the first. This is why Scot doesn’t answer my calls after 8.

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