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Need to Know: Who’s it going to be for the Redskins at No. 21?

Apr 27, 2016, 5:09 AM EDT

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Here is what you need to know on this Wednesday, April 27, one day before the NFL Draft.

Timeline

—The Redskins last played a game 108 days ago. It will be 138 days until they host the Steelers in their 2016 season opener.

Days until: 2016 NFL draft 1; Rookie minicamp 16; Redskins training camp starts 92

Hot topic

OK, we’re about 36 hours away from the first round of the NFL draft. The window for taking bets on who the Redskins will take with their top draft pick is about to close. Let’s break out the imaginary $100 in casino chips and place our final bets on who will be holding up the Redskins jersey with No. 1 on it after sharing a bro hug with Roger Goodell.

ILB Reggie Ragland, $35—Even though I don’t think that inside linebacker is the three-alarm fire that some fans think it is (and from what I heard, the team doesn’t think so either) I like the idea of Ragland stuffing the run and dishing out hard hits in the middle of that front seven.

S Karl Joseph, $30—A lot of this rests on the medical reports on his injured knee. I don’t think that Scot McCloughan is terribly worried if Joseph will miss OTAs and part or all of training camp. As long as the knee is sound for the long run, I think the Redskins will be willing to wait if he can be part of the solution to the longstanding issues the Redskins have had at safety.

DL A’Shawn Robinson, $20—The more I think about it, the more I think the Redskins will take advantage of the depth on the defensive line in this draft and wait until the second round to get their man. But if they do, I like Robinson over his Alabama teammate Jarran Reed because he has a little more pass rush ability.

WR Laquan Treadwell, $10—I think that many are now starting to recognize that wide receiver is a real need and waiting until next year, when Pierre Garçon and DeSean Jackson could both be gone, to address it is too late. Treadwell doesn’t have the 40-yard dash speed that many want and that could let him fall to the Redskins, where McCloughan couldn’t care less about what the stopwatch says.

C Ryan Kelly, $5—I may be underrating his chances because I continue to think that taking an interior lineman in the first round for the second year in a row would be a bad idea. I’ll take Nick Martin in the third or fourth, thank you very much. But I can’t rule it out so I’m going to leave the window open just a little bit.

Stat of the day

The Redskins drafted 21 players combined in the 2011 and 2012 drafts. Only four players from those drafts remain on the roster (Ryan Kerrigan and Niles Paul from 2011, Josh LeRibeus and Kirk Cousins from 2012).

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  1. Lex - Apr 27, 2016 at 5:15 AM

    Id like to trade back and pick up an extra rd 2 if not Vernon butler, karl joseph, nkemdiche or treadwell

  2. Bryan - Apr 27, 2016 at 5:43 AM

    You only spent $90.

    • Rich Tandler - Apr 27, 2016 at 7:35 AM

      Fixed, thanks.

  3. ericskins44 - Apr 27, 2016 at 5:57 AM

    I think its wide open on who we take to be honest, I really hope its Karl Joseph but could make a case for any of those guys. Gut feelin says if Treadwell is on the board that’s who were takin.

  4. austrianhttrfan - Apr 27, 2016 at 6:04 AM

    Joseph would also make sense to me…as you finally have someone young talented and especially cheap stepping into the role…so while you have expensive corners you have your cheap safety playing until he gets his 2nd contract….

    But I think….Ryan Kelly will be really strongly considered here…

    To be honest…no clue…I just hope we don´t draft a QB with our first pick, otherwise I will be super excited and I can´t wait anymore!

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 27, 2016 at 7:58 AM

      The latest you have on Joseph is 4 games of film from 2015. You don’t know how his body will respond to the injury. He’s short for a safety in the NFL but he could get by if anyone had any idea about his athletic prowess. However because of the injury you don’t know how well he can compensate for the lack of size. Yeah the guy was physical and had a nice start to 2015. However, nothing about it makes sense to select him at 21.

      • ET - Apr 27, 2016 at 12:20 PM

        I agree. I personally like the guy a lot and think he could / probably will have a very good pro career. But Joseph seems somewhat risky at 21.

  5. garg8050 - Apr 27, 2016 at 6:15 AM

    Dropping back 6 to 10 spots to pick up another 2nd or 3rd round pick would be ideal. With 3 picks in the top 64 (potentially), I could see them getting a DL, S, and WR…would be a great start to the draft.

  6. colorofmyskinz - Apr 27, 2016 at 6:45 AM

    If Kelly is sitting there there is no way we don’t take him. Most don’t think he will make it past 20. If he is there at 21 I go $100 or 100% no way we pass him up.

    We are talking about the run game here that was horrible last year with 4 good RBs. No we only have 2. With no real RB in the horizon and the horrible run game we had that was completely pinned on the center position, no way we pass on it in my opinion.

    HTTR

    • John - Apr 27, 2016 at 7:18 AM

      Sorry no Kelly and no Bama players at 21. They are good, but how good considering the talent around them at Bama. For Ragland, must be nice having Reed and Robinson up front, so he can make plays. A lot of those guys don’t really produce in the NFL. There are to many other good players, to pick a center. There are good solid centers to be had later in the draft.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 27, 2016 at 8:48 AM

        John, you do realize Bama players have some of the toughest competition any player in college can go up against. Bama players are proven not because of the talent they have around them but the talent that is put up against them. Bama players are high 5 star high school recruits who have dominated the game most their lives. If any player is a proven commodity it’s Bama players minus the QB.

        • bangkokben - Apr 27, 2016 at 9:03 AM

          Their practices/training camp have more competition than most programs.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 27, 2016 at 9:18 AM

          Good point about the fact they to practice against each other which is on almost a daily basis once summer camp begins.

      • Trey Gregory - Apr 27, 2016 at 11:34 AM

        I have nothing against Bama players. In fact I think there’s quite a few good ones in this draft. Trying to determine if a player will be good based off his school is just kind of dumb. I think you can give credit based off where a guy played, but you don’t know they’ll be bad based off where they play. If that makes sense.

        But what I really wanted to say is that it’s completely possible that we pass on Ryan Kelly if he’s available. Center truly isn’t THAT big of a need and he’s not the can’t miss guy people think he is.

        Just FYI. I recently heard Jamie Dukes argue that RT was a bigger need for Washington than Center. That’s not my opinion, but Jamie isn’t an idiot. I found that interesting.

        I’m also not sold on Ragland. I could be overthinking it but those coverage skills scare me.

        Any of those DTs though? From Bama or anywhere else: yes please. Get the best DT available. If not then get me a WR and a DT in the second.

        • ET - Apr 27, 2016 at 12:28 PM

          “I’m also not sold on Ragland. I could be overthinking it but those coverage skills scare me.”

          Same here. A two-down ILB with known coverage issues seems like a poor investment at 21. I’m onboard with improving the interior linebackers, but a 1st rounder for Ragland has too little upside.

    • John - Apr 27, 2016 at 7:26 AM

      There were a lot of reasons the run game sucked. Long was to slow. Leribus would forget the snap count. One game the TEs blocked OK, next game, they blocked the wrong guy over and over. Not to forget injuries.

      4 good backs, really? Jones as not patient enough for the line to set blocks. Alf was lost and or lazy! Thompson is to small to carry it regularly.

      A center alone won’t fix all those problems.

      • colorofmyskinz - Apr 27, 2016 at 8:06 AM

        I said 4 good not 4 great. Now we have 2 good only, and there is no way we take a RB before the 4th round. Yes leribieus sucked with snap counts, direction of snap, height of snap and blocking. Worst center in the NFL. Kory is small, old, and does not fit the scheme. We need a center that can place the snap correctly, get off the dime, and push the NT 3 yards.

        Long will get better and we have koulandjo and Lauvao (if he heals). So left guard will be better this year for sure.

        A first class center will create the hogs 2.0 all over again and we saw what that produced.

        i am merely saying most have him projected prior to 21. If Scot holds true to BPA, with our huge need at center, and Kelly is still there – just saying no way Scot will let him go.

        • sidepull - Apr 27, 2016 at 9:15 AM

          They certainly fooled me last year. I was looking NT Shelton w trade back or when Williams was sitting there I just knew that was the pick….Yea I guess I can see them grab a C at 21. I do want the middle of both lines solidified, C and NT and I dont care how they do it, which round etc.

        • skinsgame - Apr 27, 2016 at 11:45 AM

          How do you know what Scot has Kelly rated at? Scot doesn’t say “need”. That’s conjured up by fans who can’t get around the fact that Scot insists on BPA.

        • Trey Gregory - Apr 27, 2016 at 4:56 PM

          You have no idea if we will or won’t take a back in the first four rounds. We could take a WR at 21 and a RB in the second. Just relax and let it work out.

          The Oline will be better this year regardless of the draft. Year 2 under Callahan. Year 2 for Scherff and Moses as starters. Lavau should be back. Long will be more experiences. Leribus got more playing time and should be better. Kouandjo may be ready to contribute. Even damn Ty N. (Can’t remember his last name) got some playing time. All these guys will be back with more experience with a good coach. Will everyone please chill with the Oline. It’s probably the strongest position group on the team.

        • bangkokben - Apr 27, 2016 at 7:06 PM

          @Trey,

          It’s ‘dog with a bone’ syndrome. The o-line was neglected for so long that folks think it can be fixed once and for all. Not so, btw. It will always need new blood — just not from the top of the draft. I would be fine if center is the pick — because who’s picking — however, I think it’s like getting a hanging curve ball and just check swinging a single when you could’ve taken a big swing and hit a home run. Even if Ryan Kelly becomes the best center in the league, really how much better off is your team than if it only had the 18th best center? Marginally. How did Dallas do with their super center last year? Washington? Didn’t they make the playoffs winning the last four games with a horrible center? Just saying. It makes your team better but not that much better and it can’t cover other insufficiencies.

        • hail74 - Apr 27, 2016 at 8:31 PM

          Ben that Dallas argument works both ways. Yes they have what is unanimously considered best oline in division if not league and all they could do was win four games. They also had statistically the best run D, scoring D and yardage D in division and still only won those four games.

        • Trey Gregory - Apr 28, 2016 at 1:48 AM

          @Hail: Dallas may have had the best overall D in the NFC East, but that’s not what he was saying. He said Dallas has the best Oline in the league and one of the top centers in the league. Not the best of the bad, but the best overall. The teams with the two best defensive lines in the league though: they did very well.
          He was also talking about adding one player to a unit and saying it will have minimal impact on the team overall. You’re talking about the entire unit. Not really the same thing. So the argument doesn’t go both ways.
          We all also know what happened with Dallas and Washington had everything to do with QBs. So it’s kind of a silly thing to be arguing about.

          Certain positions are more valuable than others. That’s just a fact. Then if you look at need: the Oline is the best overall position group on the team. There’s not a huge need there. So the impact would be minimal vs adding a 3-down DT. That guy could have a HUGE impact because that unit is not in good shape and he would help all the guys playing behind him too.

          We also have zero DL depth. Does nobody else notice that? We have stacks of young and capable Oline backups just waiting for their turn and an empty room where the young DL depth players should be. We need talent and we need bodies along the DLine too guys. I’m all about building solid lines that play tough in the trenches. But there’s two of them, not just the Oline.

          I personally think at least one Olinemen and DLinemen should be selected in each draft. The lines are that important. We should constantly be grooming talent and have plenty of depth. But that doesn’t mean they have to be drafted at the top every time. We’ve spent more high picks on Olinemen than any other group the last couple years. And no picks on the interior line. It’s time to pay attention to the defensive side of the ball. Get a solid DT, maybe two. Get another promising DE and probably one more OLB. If we do that, the way this team is currently built, the rest will work itself out.

          Oh and just FYI. I would take any one of the top WRs over Ryan Kelly in the first. Or say we take a DT first and Nick Martin is there in the 2nd, I would still take the WR. Maybe Michael Thomas if the top 4 are gone. That’s how little of a need I think center is.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 27, 2016 at 8:52 AM

        Good grief man! A rookie running back not showing patience for his blocks to set? That’s unheard of but seriously if that is the least of Jones’ issues, it’s a very correctable one. Matt Jones exceed expectation last season for a Rookie. This kid was rarely used at Florida so he was a seriously raw talent. Jones has the ability to become a great back and not just a good one.

        • John - Apr 27, 2016 at 10:38 AM

          While most folks point out the fumbles, I’ve pointed out Jones other issues (not waiting for the line, etc,.). I have said its probably due to lack of experience. He should get better with time. My point was that there are several problems (bad blocking by TEs, injured guard, slow guard) with the run game and it will take more than a center to fix it.

          To many are expecting that getting a center in the first round, where moving down or other option would make more of an impact. I don’t expect Kouanjo to make a big impact, when he is slow like Long and was unable to get into the lineup last year.

          Move down and get Cody White hair (Guard, Kansas State) and later draft Martin or one of the other centers.

      • jt kopp - Apr 27, 2016 at 2:08 PM

        except or the fact the run game was good before licht went down.and lavaou too.we need help there and d line.our top priorities right now.got to get them when youcan.

  7. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 27, 2016 at 7:25 AM

    I like Doctson more than Treadwell.
    ~

  8. redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 27, 2016 at 7:39 AM

    Karl Joseph is by far the worst choice at 21 on this list. He’s undersized even for a safety, played just 4 games in 2015, no combine, and possibly missing OTA TC? This is not a wise 1st round selection even if Scot made the pick. You trade back into the 2nd round at the earliest to get this guy. Keim has never been more wrong suggesting this as even a viable option. Draft day will prove it since you have little to go on this kid to even consider the risk as the 1st selection in the 1st round.

  9. sidepull - Apr 27, 2016 at 7:52 AM

    I would like to see them draft a DL, NT at 21, whatever. If they want to take a DB its because Scot loves him some DB’s. Like Doctson over Treadwell. Like Hassan Ridgeway DT later rounds 2-3. Lots of upside.

  10. timmythetoothnyr - Apr 27, 2016 at 7:59 AM

    They will trade back….

  11. redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 27, 2016 at 8:07 AM

    I’m not a excited about this list at all. I do think Ragland is the BVA among the group. However, I’m still concerned about what he can do in coverage.

    I’ll trust and look forward to whomever Scot chooses but right now I’d put $100 on none of the above. I think Billings will be the choice at 21 but the possibility of trading back seems to be gaining steam. At least that is the headliner so far for a draft that hasn’t even started.

    • sidepull - Apr 27, 2016 at 8:18 AM

      I am with you I bet none of the above are drafted at 21.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 27, 2016 at 8:22 AM

      I somehow skipped Kelly on the initial read. With that stated he may be my choice of the BVA from the list. He’d be an interesting choice for 21. However, if Ragland is also still available then I can see him being scooped up instead. Especially if Scot thinks the coaching staff can developed him into solid coverage defender. If Ragland can be groomed into a player that can cover running backs out of the back field or TE’s coming off the edge then he could become something special.

      • ET - Apr 27, 2016 at 12:54 PM

        “If Ragland can be groomed into a player that can cover running backs out of the back field or TE’s coming off the edge then he could become something special.”

        That’s quite a big “if,” but I think you’re right—he could be special if he can be consistent and average or above average in coverage. Ragland could also be a two-down thumper, a guy like Murphy who fans like to complain about.

        As it stands now, though, he’s in the latter category. I don’t believe Ragland represents enough value at 21.

      • Trey Gregory - Apr 28, 2016 at 1:57 AM

        If they can get some coverage skills out of Ragland then I’ll be happy, I guess. More like: I’ll deal with it. Because ILB does not have the same value that DT does. Ragland doesn’t really excite me. The only game changing ILBs are the guys who CAN cover TEs. So that’s a risk.

        If Billings is on the board and we don’t take him I’ll ……. react negatively in a way a grown man shouldn’t. But I guess I’ll wait and see if we trade back because maybe we end up getting him anyway. I just believe in Billings that much. I’m trying to talk my editor into giving me his post draft interview when he comes back to Waco if Washignton drafts him. So it could be a really cool day for me tomorrow if we take him. I’ll be ecstatic.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 28, 2016 at 7:04 AM

          Billings is my choice, he was one of my favorites to watch at the combine. His short stature with great burst and strength could make him very difficult for linemen to move. I also like how he moved for a guy of his girth. He just read as a great potential NT more than any other player I watched.

  12. babyteal1 - Apr 27, 2016 at 8:10 AM

    I like the Ragland pick as I stated months ago but I would also be just as happy with a DL at 21!! Take Nick Martin at C later on.

  13. bangkokben - Apr 27, 2016 at 9:02 AM

    I put my $100 months ago on no one projected in ANY of the final 50-60 national mock drafts and I’m sticking to it. This could be because the Redskins trade down and the men targeted by the mocks are more in line with the 21st pick but just as likely is that McC drafts a “football player” at 21 that everyone but him sees as mid-second round draft pick. HTTR!

  14. kenlinkins - Apr 27, 2016 at 9:09 AM

    Rich, I am starting to think that the Redskins GM doesn’t have a “Rebuilding Style” as most of us fans believe. Last year we watched as he picked the low hanging fruit to improve a talent poor roster. This year we have seen him gamble on Free Agent signings that took many by surprise. We have seen him trade back in 2015 to gain more picks and he stated he wants to do that again. Is the Trading back a sign he feels that the roster talent level still requires many new players in order to stay atop the NFC East or does he feel that more swings give you a better chance at more home runs? (not many dead red hitters wanted more shots a Bret Blyleven, just ask John Stefero). What am I missing, is he a “take only limited risk” GM or the “Gambling type” who is willing to take on more risk in order to gain more rewards?

    • bangkokben - Apr 27, 2016 at 9:26 AM

      “This year we have seen him gamble on Free Agent signings that took many by surprise.”

      One guy. Josh Norman. None of the other signings were surprising were they? Vernon Davis? David Bruton? Kendall Reyes? Reyes replaces Hatcher but not an equal comparison. Bruton is insurance for Kyshoen Jarrett and replaces Johnson. And Davis was signed because of last year’s utter decimation of the position. Norman is the signing that is guaranteed a starting position. Last year, the GM signed Paea, Culliver, Knighton, and Johnson. All were expected to be starters and only Paea and Culliver remain on the team.

    • Rich Tandler - Apr 27, 2016 at 10:06 AM

      At the combine McCloughan used the exact analogy of more swings giving you more chances.

      • skinsgame - Apr 27, 2016 at 11:52 AM

        Yesterday you said Scot couldn’t be taken at his word. Today you’re quoting him. I’m not trying to be argumentative but, no one outside of Redskins Park knows what he’s going to do or how he has players rated nor what he thinks is a “need”. Corner allegedly wasn’t a “need”. Not a big one anyway, but then he goes and signs one. And it’s one that none of the critics think of as a shutdown corner. That tells me Scot relies on his own evaluations and likely won’t do the popular pick on draft days.

        • Rich Tandler - Apr 27, 2016 at 12:49 PM

          I write. I quote. I speculate. I analyze That’s my job.

          Not sure why you didn’t think corner was a need. It certainly never came from me or, unless I missed something, Scot.

          Look, this place is about discussion and having fun. If you don’t have fun speculating, check out someplace that takes itself way too seriously.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Apr 28, 2016 at 7:09 AM

          I actually understood Rich’s comment on not trusting Scot’s word in context of statements near draft time. However, the more swings analogy was in an interview if I call and is something stated in earnest if you look at his draft history. No one follows that approach more than NE during drafts.

      • kenlinkins - Apr 27, 2016 at 5:56 PM

        With the CBA on rookies, if you can hit one out of the park in the later rounds it really helps your Cap number for 4 years, In 2015 the Redskins CUT 3 of their late round picks and had many others get hurt so I just do not know what the Redskins GM track record is going to be long term.

        • bangkokben - Apr 27, 2016 at 7:23 PM

          Very few 6th and 7th round picks make an impact throughout their rookie contracts. Alfred Morris was certainly the exception. Kedric Golston is an example of the usual ceiling. Often they just fill the roster with untapped potential and occasionally shine for a season or two. The team can pay veterans like Golston more but they count the same against the cap. Guys like these are provide valuable depth with experience.

  15. 226thebeatdontstop - Apr 27, 2016 at 9:54 AM

    Rich what is the fascination with Lichtensteiger, he is undersized and continuously gets pushed back into the quarterback, center is a high priority position and from all the reports I have seen if this kid Kelly from Alabama is there he’s worth the pick…

    I also don’t understand ignoring the nose tackle position, its very important to get a guy who has a high motor and can collapse the pocket, Billings from Baylor if there should be the pick…

    • Rich Tandler - Apr 27, 2016 at 10:03 AM

      Both centers and nose tackles can be taken later in the draft. Not all needs can be addressed with the first-round pick.

  16. Tramell - Apr 27, 2016 at 9:55 AM

    I like the stat about 2011 and 2012 draft picks that are still on the team. Remember though, that most teams have no more than 30 of their own draft picks and I drafted signees on their rosters at any given time. I think the Skins will end up around that mark which is fine. Stop trying to make it sound worst than it is.

    • bangkokben - Apr 27, 2016 at 11:25 AM

      This is a fair point. Green Bay, in comparison had 17 draft picks in the same time frame (’11-’12) yet only two are still on their roster. New England had 16 picks and have retained four. It’s not so much what you still have but what you did with them. No longer on the Patriots roster are Shane Vereen, Stevan Ridley, and Chandler Jones. Perhaps these are too succesful of organizations for comparison, as it is actually hard to make these teams. Minnesota, on the other hand, still has eight of it’s 20 picks — meaning they have built their team primarily through the draft which is the direction the Redskins want to go.

      Perhaps the best example is the Seattle Seahawks, who McC was apart of during this time frame (’11-’12). They had 19 picks but only four remain with the team — all starters: Bobby Wagner, Russell Wilson, K.J.Wright, and Richard Sherman. More importantly, also drafted were Byron Maxwell, Jaye Howard, Bruce Irvin, and James Carpenter — starters on other teams. That’s 8 NFL starters out of 19 picks with most of these starters being in the top half of the league in their respective positions.

    • John - Apr 27, 2016 at 1:13 PM

      Rememember that Shanahan and not a GM (true talent evaluator who works at it full time) was in charge of the draft back then. Were it not for the signing of Pierre and Desean, we’d be running Hankerson and Robinson out there. I’d prefer they had kept Hankerson over Roberts, but I guess they figured he could not stay healthy.

      Green Bay works almost totally through the draft, but then that their market. Like Pittsburgh, they don’t have the money to spend like NY or Washington. They are very much the exception to the rule.

      Sometimes you get lucky and guys like Desean and Norman fall into your lap. Somewhat expensive but they are big upgrades if you can afford them and you give up what a 3rd rounder as compensation?

      Now, the big splash for players whose best years are behind them, like the Skins used to do is another thing all together. Paying for guys that don’t produce results and poor drafting are what hurt this team for so many years. Scot M leans more towards the draft (Green Bay background) but is not opposed to grab a free agent if it can fill a need.

      • Rich Tandler - Apr 27, 2016 at 1:43 PM

        The Packers don’t have money to spend? Have you looked at their balance sheet?

        With the cap and TV money, all teams have the opportunity to spend the same amount on players. The Packers don’t because Ted Thompson doesn’t believe in free agency.

        • John - Apr 27, 2016 at 5:49 PM

          As mentioned previously, they are the exception to the rule regarding drafting vs. free agent forays. They do spend on their guys. Rodgers, Matthews and others take up a fair amount of cap.

      • bangkokben - Apr 27, 2016 at 6:39 PM

        What the heck are you talking about? Don’t have money due to their markets? This isn’t baseball. There is no local TV deals helping out NY and Washington. Even if you’re NOW saying that they spend a lot on their own draft picks (Timmons in Pittsburgh; Matthews and Rodgers in GB) this has nothing to do with their markets but rather their philosophies. I don’t know what rule they are a exception to. There are plenty of teams that have a similar philosophy. (Green Bay, of course, is credited with the best use of a free agent when they signed Reggie White and promptly won a Super Bowl. But that was an exception to the way GB does things.)

        As for Shanahan, he signed Garcon and cut Aldrick Robinson. Garcon was a true number one in the Shanahan offense. Hankerson was also released by Kyle’s team during the season this past year and just as much as his health was his inconsistency with catching the ball.

  17. Tramell - Apr 27, 2016 at 10:03 AM

    Fans underestimate how many veteran free agents teams actually carry. Vet free agency is important because you can’t keep all of your drafted players once they hit free agency. The media likes to think after 5 drafts teams should have 50 draft picks on their rosters. That will never happen. The roster must churn after every 4 years like college teams basically. Player careers are for only two contracts now. Rookie contract and the free agent contract and then retire. It is hard then to keep everyone.

    • John - Apr 27, 2016 at 1:24 PM

      Your lucky if you can keep 1/3 of your picks. Over time players end up injured or cut themselves. Then others get signed away. Not every player drafted will be a good fit or even fit their billing. That’s why Scot M wants more picks. The more players you draft, the greater the chance somebody bubbles up.

  18. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 27, 2016 at 11:25 AM

    • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 27, 2016 at 11:25 AM

    • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 27, 2016 at 11:27 AM

      My guess if we remain at 21 stays Vernon Butler.
      ~

      • bangkokben - Apr 27, 2016 at 11:38 AM

        I do like the Vernon Butler pick and think that it may fail into my category of not being in any of the final mock drafts; but I can’t imagine Chris Russell, God bless him, getting anything right.

        • skinsgame - Apr 27, 2016 at 11:55 AM

          “God bless him…” HA

        • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 27, 2016 at 12:11 PM

          Good point. “Bless his heart!”
          ~

  19. Skulb - Apr 27, 2016 at 12:00 PM

    Top need is probably DL. They could trade back for a late round and get their guy a bit later in the first, if there are several alternatives available. Otherwise probably WR, S or ILB at 21 and DL in the second. We have stopgaps, old people, injured people and expensive people at all those positions now. Some sort of reinforcement is probably in order.

  20. Steve Mal - Apr 27, 2016 at 12:34 PM

    I guess none of you guys can count he did spend $100

    • Rich Tandler - Apr 27, 2016 at 12:44 PM

      I didn’t originally, fixed it after it had been posted for a while.

      • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 27, 2016 at 2:11 PM

        I love your trade back, Rich, that would be ideal…the only thing I could plausibly see as happening that would be better is Denver’s 31st and 63rd.

        But I can’t wrap my noggin around the idea that Ragland falls into the 2nd round.
        ~

  21. jt kopp - Apr 27, 2016 at 2:12 PM

    we need to fill the dt position, i feel good with hall at safety. kelly will help too.either him or a dt.

    • redskinscaio - Apr 28, 2016 at 3:23 PM

      Chris baker was an absolute beast last year at nose tackle

      • Trey Gregory - Apr 29, 2016 at 1:37 PM

        That was sarcasm right? Because, if not, Baker played DE, hates playing NT, and was not very good at it. He broke out last year because he didn’t play NT.

        We need interior defensive linemen guys. Plural. Doctson was a great pick because WR will be a huge need next year and he’s a monster WR prospect. But the biggest need on the team is the interior DL. By far the biggest need. Especially with Elliot now in the division. We need interior pass rushers and run stuffers

  22. James McFullan - Apr 27, 2016 at 2:28 PM

    If the Redskins decided to get Kam Chancellor and then drafted Keanu Neal or Karl Joseph and that would be one good secondary with Kam, Keanu/Karl, Norman, Breeland, Culliver, Toler, Hall, Jarrett, Ihenacho, Bruton, and Blackmon. Then we add a center, RB, NT, DE, a WR over 6’2″, and a middle linebacker that would be one good offense and defense.

    • b4april - Apr 27, 2016 at 3:02 PM

      If the Redskins can come out of the draft with Keanu Neal at safety, Charone Peake 6-2 209 4.45 in the 40 at receiver, Jordan Howard RB 6.0 230 4.59 40. Peake is a good red zone target with speed. As a later round pick no one talks about Jordan Howard a solid all around back needs to improve his blocking but that’s coachable. Keanu Neal is just a beast at safety 6-0 211 4.59 in the 40 and he is a load, he would solidify our secondary with added attitude… The remainder of the draft the GM can fill in. I’m only suggesting these guys as latter round picks I won’t mind seeing come to the Redskins.

    • bangkokben - Apr 27, 2016 at 6:41 PM

      Kam Chancellor? 4/20 was last week.

      • Trey Gregory - Apr 27, 2016 at 8:33 PM

        Some people just can’t let it go

        • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 27, 2016 at 8:51 PM

          Puff and pass, people!
          ~

    • John - Apr 28, 2016 at 7:29 AM

      Chancellor? Never going to happen!

  23. smotion55 - Apr 27, 2016 at 4:10 PM

    Is this based on new information because Ragland I hope is not the pick. Butler and a few others should be rated higher then him anyway. OVERRATED because he went to ALABAMA. He flat out can’t cover any better then Riley wasted pick .

    • redskinscaio - Apr 28, 2016 at 3:21 PM

      I think they played different positions. Riley is a weak side lb and Ragland plays strong or “mike”, but dude, the middle linebacker is the qb of the defense, and thus one of the most important positions….skins should take notice and grab a stud middle linebacker with the first pick…if not a center or left guard

  24. pyroman99 - Apr 27, 2016 at 5:06 PM

    I see a lot of experts and commenters saying that “Team [X] can get a good DT/DE in the 2nd round, or even the 3rd, because the draft is so deep”. This sets up an interesting dynamic. If every GM buys into this, and decides to pick for other needs in Round 1, some team will finally pick a DT and open the flood gates. Then, a wave of panic buying ensues as every team that really needs one starts scrambling.

    My point is that the draft is rarely only about objective valuation – it’s akin to the stock market, influenced by fear and greed.

    • bangkokben - Apr 27, 2016 at 7:26 PM

      The buy on d-linemen will happen and the question is when. The Redskins could easily end up with no one depending on when that happens.

  25. kenlinkins - Apr 27, 2016 at 5:43 PM

    Up until today I had the Redskins drafting DT Robert Nkemdiche after trading back but the word is out the he interviewed so badly at the Combine (and after) that NFL teams figure he will fall into the 3rd /4th round. One rumor had him saying to friends that “he and his brother can not wait to live the NFL party life and that his brother is going to be his blocker (willing to take the fall for anything he does in order to keep the money flowing and the fun happening). What a waste of talent! So, I have $30 on Karl Joseph S, $25 on Reggie Ragland ILB, $20 Laquon Treadwell WR, and a $25 on C Ryan Kelly. IMO all these players would have a first year impact and fill a major hole at the same time. Also, IMO the Redskins will not find a team to trade back with until the 2nd round. I just do not see anyone still there worth the move to trade up for.

    • goback2rfk - Apr 27, 2016 at 7:07 PM

      This sh|t is stacking up nice for the Skins. The division contenders look very beatable and it looks like the Redskins are the favorites to win the division again. It is hard to believe the Redskins could win the division 2 years in a row! That does not happen! Well not at least since 1983 over 33 years ago. Really looking forward to this season. Im traveling up to FedEx field to see the Browns game. Got some great seats will be in the 1st row section 230, hit me up.

      • redskinscaio - Apr 28, 2016 at 3:17 PM

        Woah there buddy. The Eagles will have a qb this year, Romo is back and I think they’re taking Ezekiel. …plus the skins are playing the best teams from the other divisions…

  26. redskinscaio - Apr 28, 2016 at 3:13 PM

    Haha, Rich, I disagree with you so much, I find it a little funny. The interior of the offensive line is the most important unit in football in my opinion. Establishing a running game results in wins. You constantly got on my case last year when I kept posting on all the message boards that the Skins should draft Sherff. Well, the Skins went from last to first place and made the playoffs. Rich, you wanted leonard Williams instead….how did the Jets dost year? Well they didn’t make the playoffs.

    This year the skins should draft a left guard or center…or middle linebacker. But I don’t think Ragland is going to be there. I looked at the giants ‘ depth chart, and chances are, the Giants are taking him.

    The Skins were running the ball very well the first two weeks of the season, and then Lavao went down…. so, the skins should take a left guard…. trust me rich.

    A great offensive line let’s your rb average 5 yards a carry, it allows you to get those third and shorts and it allows your offense to preserve leads in the fourth quarter. Httr

    • Trey Gregory - Apr 29, 2016 at 1:24 AM

      I’ll bet you don’t come back nearly as enthusiastic about being completely wrong about everything you said.

      You also made some serious cause and affect logical fallacies. Washington didn’t necessarily make the playoffs because they drafted Scherff and the Jets didn’t necessarily miss the playoffs because they drafted Williams. In fact, they had identical records.

      There’s a lot of other factors out there, like the division’s they play in. You think Washington wins the division if the Patriots were in the NFC East? Come on.

      But QB play was the biggest reason. Cousins broke out late and Fitz melted. Then Romo was injured and Bradford was a mess. The Jets had to deal with Brady. It was really all about the QBs man. “Trust me.”

  27. pyroman99 - Apr 28, 2016 at 11:45 PM

    Well, a bit of a surprise. Rich, you had $10 on Treadwell, and some analysts liked Doctson better. And I understand the need to look for a replacement for Garcon (more likely) or Jackson.

    But, I’m worried there’s a run starting on DTs, and there won’t be a really good one available at #53… (Actually, I’m surprised Robinson, Reed, and Billings fell to the 2nd round. Don’t know if that means they were overrated, or teams see them as too limited in some way, or GMs aren’t paying attention, or some other reason.)

    • Trey Gregory - Apr 29, 2016 at 1:28 AM

      Teams saw the depth and went for thinner positions. I mean, Eli Apple and Karl Jospeh were grossly over drafted.

      Those DTs are not over rated. They’re just deep. There were some mediocre players taken in the first round and there’s going to be some future pro bowl DTs taken in the second. Watch.

      Doctson was a great pick for that reason though. WR will be a huge need with Garcon and DJax are gone in 2017. So draft the replacement now so he’s ready to be the #1 when there gone. Crowder should be a good #2 by then. We got a playmaker man. Be excited about that. Then get excited for our run stuffer coming tomorrow. There’s a chance Billings is still there. I’ll lose my mind if Scot lands Doctson and Billings. I’ll be absolutely ecstatic

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