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Need to Know: Where does the Redskins’ Jay Gruden rank among NFL head coaches?

Mar 4, 2016, 5:11 AM EDT

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Here is what you need to know on this Friday, March 4, five days before the start of NFL free agency.

Where does the Redskins’ Jay Gruden rank among NFL head coaches?

Jay Gruden became the first Redskins coach since Joe Gibbs to make the playoffs in his second year on the job. Gibbs actually did it twice, in 1982, a year after first being hired as a head coach, and in his second go-around with the team in 2005.

Of course, Gibbs’ first playoff appearance ended considerably better than Gruden’s maiden voyage to the post season last year. Last year’s Redskins were one and done with a home playoff loss to the Packers right out of the gate while Gibbs’ group went on to win Super Bowl XVII. Gibbs was named the NFL coach of the year and he immediately was recognized as one of the best coaches in the NFL.

Gruden, who began the season as the Las Vegas favorite to be the first coach fired in 2015, did not get any coach of the year consideration. But he did gain some respect in the eyes of many, including one analyst at Rotoworld, our sister site.

About this time every year they rank the NFL head coaches and offer a paragraph to explain. Last year Gruden was ranked 22nd among the 25 returning head coaches after coming off of a 4-12 season that featured multiple quarterback changes. They actually praised what Gruden was trying to do while pitying him for having to work in the chaotic Redskins organization.

Of course, some of Gruden’s decisions left much to be desired. Colt McCoy shouldn’t be playing quarterback and Jim Haslett shouldn’t be coordinating defense, let alone on the same team. But if Gruden didn’t bat 1.000, he still laid the groundwork for success in a dysfunctional organization. There’s just no guarantee Snyder lets him see it through.

Let’s fast forward to this year and Gruden has climbed to No. 14. He’s not in bad company. The Saints’ Sean Payton and Jets’ Todd Bowles are right ahead of him and Super Bowl champion coach Gary Kubiak and John Fox are right below.

Gruden needed to do something big in his second year on the job. That he did, delivering on years of rumors that Kirk Cousins could be a viable NFL starter while leading the Redskins to just their third division title of the Snyder era. Gruden improved the offense, saved the defense by firing Jim Haslett and was deft and calm as he navigated Washington’s withering media glare.

There is plenty of room for criticism of the job that Gruden did. But the one thing he absolutely deserves credit for is having the guts to make the switch from Robert Griffin III to Kirk Cousins at quarterback. Certainly not all of the fan base was in favor of the move and those inside the organization were reportedly split as well. For Gruden it took some deft political maneuvering to pull off what turned out to be the right football decision.

That sort of moxie should serve Gruden well going forward in the Redskins organization. If Scot McCloughan keep supplying Gruden with talented players he could well take another jump up in the rankings a year from now.

Timeline

—DE Phillip Daniels, who played for the Redskins from 2004-2010, was born on this date in 1973.

—The Redskins last played a game 54 days ago. It will be about 191 days until they play another one.

Days until: NFL free agency starts 5; Redskins offseason workouts start 45; 2016 NFL draft 55

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  1. colorofmyskinz - Mar 4, 2016 at 7:14 AM

    One thing for sure. We saw the offense he invisioned with kirk vs. RGIII.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Mar 4, 2016 at 7:39 PM

      I sure hope he envision more than the one dimensional offense we saw on the field this season. The offense won’t succeed next season without a sound rushing offense. You can’t say the weak division complimented by a weak schedule didn’t help either. It allowed them to get by without a running game most the season.

      Gruden does deserve credit for the bold move to start Cousins over RG3. We’ll see how that move looks in a few years but at least for now his confidence in Cousins in becoming a competent starter turned out to be true. If Cousins continues to improve and thrive then he’ll get even more credit. RG3 will be another side story to this equation based on what he does in the coming years. One thing is for sure, RG3 will get another chance.

  2. bk70 - Mar 4, 2016 at 7:31 AM

    Jay Gruden, Kirk Cousins and Scot McCloughan are a winning combination. The 2016 draft and the DC must add to the future ranking improvements. HTTR

    • ajbus1 - Mar 4, 2016 at 8:40 AM

      I agree bk.

    • hail74 - Mar 4, 2016 at 10:03 AM

      Agreed. I would love to see what this team can accomplish with some continuity for once.

    • lezziemcdykerson - Mar 4, 2016 at 5:07 PM

      Would anyone be mad at picking a WR #1? Earlier mocks had us taking RB Elliot but Josh Doctson out of TCU would be great to replace Garcon next year when they have to make that decision. Doctson is basically a bigger Garcon in that he runs good routes, goes after the ball (better than Garcon can, not a question of effort just physically Doctson can get after it and Garcon can be quieted) and would be a great compliment to DJax the speedster on the other side. I know we have more glaring needs but it was nice scoring over 20 points a game this season. We all know the WR situation next year as well.. Be nice if we can steal a great offensive piece and sure up our defense in the same draft. MADTV got Sherman and Gore in the 5th and Willis in the 7th I’m sure he can still find us some. Bleacherreport is now calling for him to be the #1 WR taken. The mock I saw earlier in the week had us taking Jarran Reed and Cinci taking Doctson at 24.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Mar 4, 2016 at 7:44 PM

        Yes, it would be a shockingly dumb move to make for this season. There is no WR in the draft at #21 that would be worth choosing over so many other need positions. This isn’t fantasy football. You are not going to win by loading up on skilled positions and ignoring the needs along the line, at linebacker, and DB. Even Elliot and Henry are better choices over any wide out in the draft right now.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Mar 5, 2016 at 1:52 AM

          Not fantasy football. Reality football. (Insert TM logo here) If the draft is deep in defensive talent and there are only a few gems offensively at positions of need can’t you realistically have several guys on your board to address a specific defensive position? Where if one guy gets picked there’s 10 more on the board to take his place. Suring up a position that is headed into to sure uncertainty would be worth the risk for a guy that looks that good. Maybe you’d like some precedent. Remember that MADTV almost took Amari Cooper but Oakland got him first? No? Remember that guy Fred Davis? We waited until his contract year to draft a TE and guess which team finished with an OL as a second string TE? Now of course then, TE wasn’t a tremendous area of need, we had Davis a strong running game and WR’s on fresh contracts. So the skill positions looked set and the offensive scheme supported your “it can wait” rhetoric. Fast forward a few years and Rich is already posting about having to wait to resign Reed (whom we already hold our breath for every time he’s tackled hard, cause Niles Paul couldn’t catch a cold in the CDC.) Oh and now that issue is compounded with STILL needing quality backups at TE and RB PLUS the defense… oh and WR. Throw in that it looks like we’ll be utilizing the short yardage game more with Kirk and suddenly TE becomes a priority on offense. So I guess it sounds fantastical enough especially for the first round but if the guy turns out to be a sure handed, toes-in-TD redskin killer remember I was the only one that lobbied for him. If he’s Roy Williams then I will conveniently forget that I ever liked him and lobby to have you blocked from the site so you can’t bring it up again. I don’t want to pick him because it’s the secksy pick (maybe a little bit) but because I don’t want our WR situation to look like our TE position.. one injury away from real contention.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Mar 5, 2016 at 9:09 AM

          “If the draft is deep in defensive talent and there are only a few gems offensively at positions of need can’t you realistically have several guys on your board to address a specific defensive position? ”

          Possible but I just think any possible offensive gems are not going to be around by the 21st pick. I’m not even sure there is a wide receiver worth viewing as a offensive gem. I like Will Fuller the most based on what I could see which was limited. I am more ignorant on the field of receivers this year than past years. I know Laquon Treadwell and Micheal Thomas are popular big receivers and high on the draft list. Derrick Henry really wowed me in the combines along with what he did in college makes him far more interesting selection at 21. I don’t think Elliot will still be there at 21 and I’m sure Treadwell will be gone as well. So if I was to go with a surprise selection at 21 on offense then it’s Henry.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Mar 5, 2016 at 9:13 AM

          I just don’t think there is a Amari Cooper at wide receiver in this draft. I think I may have mentioned this in our last conversation on this subject. At least what I’ve been able to observe and read on. I really didn’t follow the wide outs coming into this draft during the combine because none stood out in college last season which I watch many, many more games than I do with NFL games.

        • lezziemcdykerson - Mar 5, 2016 at 7:48 PM

          Be has a first round grade on him and that wasn’t even the site that had the mock with him going at 24. Remember, just because you don’t have a high grade on him doesn’t make it fact. Rich even gave the guy the second best chance in his casino scenario. Treadwell needs to run fast at his pro day or he’ll be out the 1st. Thought JD had the height advantage and I know MADTV prefers length. Just aaying drafting a we first this year wouldn’t be as shockingly dumb as waiting until next year when we have to sign our WRs on expired contracts, need to resign our qb, extend reed and build our defense.

  3. sidepull - Mar 4, 2016 at 8:32 AM

    Yup, he put his job on the line with Kirk. The scenario the year before heading into the season was to play RG3 the whole year and then we wound up with the QB carousel, a true debacle that left the whole organization one year behind in getting a good look at the QB position for 1 full season of play. Gruden then plans to start Rg3 last season, does an about face and makes a unpopular decision with not only the owner but with a large fanbase to start Cuz for the full season. Wow. I mean how easy would it have been to bench Kirk after the first half of the TB game? Probably nobody would have objected. He could have roasted Kirk in the media, started a different QB at the half, but no, he kept his word to start Kirk for the whole season.

    He learned from last year he cant say what he thinks in front of the press. Roasting RG3 was a mistake and I think he learned from that. He learned he needs help and got a QB coach, some more coaching staff hires and Scot cant help but enhance Grudens profile. I bet he kicks himself now for not hiring Wade Phillips. To me hiring Barry was his biggest mistake so far and one that may come to haunt him as the Redskins move forward. Scot can accumulate as much great talent as he can find but if the guy behind the curtain doesnt have the imagination to make it work then whats the point? I am not a Barry fan. To each his own.

    • ajbus1 - Mar 4, 2016 at 8:39 AM

      The important thing is, as you said, Gruden learned. If Barry eventually stinks up the place hopefully Gruden will know enough to fire him.
      Assuming McC continually improves the roster, it’ll be easier and easier for us to judge the coaches.

    • Thetruthis - Mar 4, 2016 at 11:29 AM

      Who YOU chose as his coaching team is important. I was alarmed by Grudens decision making out the gate. HIm as a first time HC, choses to NOT hire a QB coach, choses to hire a first time OC and choses to Keep a loosing DC, Haslett around. Then he tries to jab RG3 into his one dimensional predictable offense without an offensive line or defense. He blames RG3 for his incompetent decision making, and undermines him at every turn and ends up basically benching all the QB’s. He could not make game field adjustments and no one had film on him at the time. THIS COACH COULD NOT HAVE MADE ANY WORSE DECISIONS DURING HIS FIRST YEAR. HE DID EVERYTHING WRONG. HE FAILDED AT HIS FIRST CHARGE WHICH WAS TO DEVELOP ROBERT. HE DID NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO. HE ONLY KNOWS HIS SYSTEM. AGAIN, NO ADJUSTMENT. His answer for Haslet replacement was to hire a losing coach for the DC, Joe Berry. When he could have gotten Wade Phillips, or even Dick Lebeau.

      So, now this same decision making coach is suddenly a brain child? No, enter: Scot McCloughan, Bill Callahan, Matt Cavanaugh and things begin to improve. NOT BECAUSE OF JAY GRUDEN. RG3, Colt McCoy, could have done equally well in 2015 if given the same opportunity as they gave Kirk Cousins, to work your way out of the mistakes and to limit what you were asking him to do downfield. Still Jay could never figure out how to get the running game going. I challenge ANYONE to say that he did not make the mistakes above. RG3 and Colt McCoy, and Alfred Morris are the ones paying for Jay Grudens mistakes over the past two years. Most of the head coaches in this league LOOK as if they are running the team with good decisions. But, everybody can see that Scot McCloughan is covering a lot of weaknesses of Jay Gruden which Allen was horrible at doing. Allen just gave Jay whatever he asked for.

      This is the NFL and that type of HC just doesn’t make it very long in this league because post season success is what the best coaches do so well!!!

      • bangkokben - Mar 4, 2016 at 11:38 AM

        RG3 and Colt McCoy, and Alfred Morris AND the other FIFTY guys on the team “paid for” a 9-7 division title and home playoff game. Boo-hoo.

        • Thetruthis - Mar 4, 2016 at 12:01 PM

          Their stock went down due to Jays handling of these guys. He NEVER even gave the skins a chance to see what RG3 could do game time with the new offline and coaching crew prior to calling it quits. Not one down? given the skins investment. He NEVER even let Colt McCoy give it a try-EVEN when they were offering free shots for every interception Kirk threw. Alfred Morris a proven power house and including Matt Jones were shut down by teams at will last year-Jay did not know how to make adjustments.

          Enjoy your playoff win but it is why you guys are being set up for failure. It is fools gold. It set the skins up to overpay cousins (there are two cousins, really, always has been), release RG3 for nothing-this is a system decision, not a better QB decision, release Colt McCoy as well without seeing if he had anything in the tank could have competed with Kirk for sure….I promise you they could have gotten Kirk for a lot less if they had taken this course of action.

          It sets the skins up to have a much harder schedule drawing division winners from the league this year AND to lower their position in the draft (significant). I think dallas got the better situation by loosing the division this year , they have the 4th overall pick in the draft each round.

          There will be film out there on Cousins and Gruden teams can study all offseason. we already know we are going to see the same thing and that will be the end of this fairy tale.

        • bangkokben - Mar 4, 2016 at 12:18 PM

          News flash! Every time there is a coaching change there are winners and losers. Many times its productive players in other systems that don’t fit. Andre Carter, for instance had this happen to him in multiple places. Often, the team doesn’t even get the benefit of winning. So you’d rather your heroes succeed than the team? Not me. And unless you’ve never played organized sports, that part about playing Griffin in a game is the silliest thing, I’VE EVER HEARD. A professional football team spends countless hours practicing. Coaches don’t need to give Bobby or Jimmy or Johnie playing time in real games that matter in order to make a decision or to show the fans why so-and-so isn’t getting playing time.

        • hail74 - Mar 4, 2016 at 1:47 PM

          How or why in the world do you play all 3 qbs at once? Why bench Kirk just to see if colt or Rob could do it too? Just like bang said, they see all they need to see in practice.

      • ajbus1 - Mar 4, 2016 at 2:20 PM

        Who said brain child? And why are you talking about his first year? We were talking about how he learned from those mistakes the first year. No one denied his mistakes. We’re giving credit for doing things different. Not sure what you’re ranting about.

    • bangkokben - Mar 4, 2016 at 2:27 PM

      In response to your change of perspective on Gruden, I think that is a fair approach. There are others who initially held the same view as to coaching hires but don’t credit last year to the coach. It was because the division was down, the easy-peasy schedule, the new GM, hiring Bill Callahan, firing Haslet, or just sticking to any ONE quarterback.

      Gruden isn’t perfect by any means. In my opinion, he stuck too long to a broke running game (either fix it or shut it down), played not to lose too often (Dallas home game, for instance) and didn’t put away teams that the Redskins had big leads on — even if the team did win these games, they didn’t need to be as close as they were (Chicago, for instance). These are the things I want to see continued improvement on, but you are absolutely spot on when you notice the areas he did improve on and continuity in the three areas you mentioned is what all the teams that have sustainable success have.

  4. troylok - Mar 4, 2016 at 8:41 AM

    I think 14th is a fair rating. He improved but he still has some things to learn. I think he stuck with the run more in 2015 than he did in 2016 even though it wasn’t really working for him. I don’t think he uses the occasional gadget play enough: a reverse, a flea-flicker, a shotgun shovel pass, etc. His offense is still a little too predictable so adding some spice to the play calling might open things up.

    • ajbus1 - Mar 4, 2016 at 9:04 AM

      Good points.

  5. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Mar 4, 2016 at 8:55 AM

    He gets the same grade as Kirk.

    Great 2nd half of the season, but can you do it again?
    ~

  6. goback2rfk - Mar 4, 2016 at 9:34 AM

    The man has a half of a decent season and we are asking where he ranks?! Wtf. He has barely any experience as a head coach but they rank him over John Fox. These stupid a$$ ratings are annoying. Jay Gruden is in the bottom 10 coaches in the NFL. Anyone could have made the call on Rg3. Everyone saw it, Robs footwork was a mess, he took 5 step drops instead of 3, he held onto the ball until the cows came home,

    • bangkokben - Mar 4, 2016 at 9:41 AM

      Yep. Bottom ten coach held back super talented team from making it to the Super Bowl. Yeah and the other team’s coaches Garrett, Kelly, and Coughlin were just victims of a down year.

    • bangkokben - Mar 4, 2016 at 9:43 AM

      Then again, you’re probably right. Did you even look at the rankings? He may be in the bottom ten of returning coaches.

      • bangkokben - Mar 4, 2016 at 9:46 AM

        Nope. 13th from the bottom. The only ones that I’d for sure put him behind are Kubiak and Fox. The rest are pretty unremarkable or over-rated.

      • colmac69 - Mar 4, 2016 at 10:06 AM

        Rankings on every scale are starting points for a debate/argument ….majority of them are pointless anyway

        Don’t think there any doubt gruden improved as coach…….does he still have flaws?would guess Yeh but everyone has flaws…..he certainly learned some things, it would appear from outside, from last yr to this yr….

        Can he take it further will b nxt question but without doubt having guy like mccloughlin as the GM is huge….from outside the two appear to b on same page so we could assume the gm has his back……

        Whatever there some gd times ahead and we should get on the wave and ride it out

        • hail74 - Mar 4, 2016 at 10:16 AM

          Agreed. Everyone has their preferences and that’s fine, just don’t lose sight of the mess he inherited. 20+year culture of losing, a 3-13 team, the qb situation, owner with reputation for meddling, a roster devoid of young talent due to poor management and “the trade”, etc. All of that and he won the division in his second year against a two time Super Bowl champion, the guy who was supposed to revolutionize the offensive game and whatever you want to call Garret, perhaps the favorite to win the NFC?

        • bangkokben - Mar 4, 2016 at 11:30 AM

          Agreed. Those against Gruden are usually those that were against the hire from the start (as if there were multitudes of qualified guys that were snubbed), soured on him due to his handling of RG3, or both. He took a team in the bottom third in talent and won a division title in his 2nd year. Yet, there’s a vocal and sizable portion of the fan base that want him out. They would rather still have a top five rushing offense than a winning team.

        • sidepull - Mar 4, 2016 at 1:46 PM

          bang I was originally against the hiring of Gruden. I wanted a defensive coach and had i been given the choice between Bengal coordinators, I was hoping they would of hired Zimmmer. I didnt like the knock on Gruden coming out of Cincinnati that he got away from running the ball. Then, when he came here, he was eluding to the fact that this was going to to be a smashmouth running team.That was going to be the identiity. That didnt materialize and i was upset. But I have grown to acceptt the fact that stability is probably what will help this team in the long run. Same HC, same QB, same system, same GM and give them the full 5 years. I still dont like some stuff, everybody has beefs about something, but overall he seems like hes learning to be a better coach. That is a decent sign and it could have gone bass ackwrds this season and they eeked out a division championship. Impressive.

    • hail74 - Mar 4, 2016 at 10:08 AM

      You clearly didn’t read the bleacher report article that has been posted by Tim so many times claiming cousins is a terrible qb made to look good by the great offensive mind of gruden. I’m sure he’ll post it again sometime.

      • bangkokben - Mar 4, 2016 at 11:33 AM

        Tim was banned. The realistic cat now is the promoter for said piece (of rubbish, imho).

        • hail74 - Mar 4, 2016 at 1:52 PM

          I couldn’t remember his new alias and your right, that article is rubbish.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Mar 4, 2016 at 8:05 PM

          If he is banned then that is a shame since despite having a different opinion than many, he wasn’t a troll. So celebrating his ban is a completely classless thing to do. I guess you just want fans on this board to follow your opinions or all must share them.

        • bangkokben - Mar 5, 2016 at 8:04 AM

          Apology below accepted. It is a shame but it was his own Tim-headedness. You don’t tell the media member that runs this blog that he is for censorship because he has gently asked you repeatedly to stop making the same non-point that you have been making for a year-and-a-half irregardless of subject matter.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Mar 5, 2016 at 9:35 AM

          Well Rich has full rights to censoring since it is his site and he has control of the content he chooses to allow. Folks too often overuse the “Freedom of Speech” rights which is actually a right to protect the citizen against it’s governments and not protect your rights to speech among citizens. Anyway, I wasn’t privy to that event but if Rich as you to do something instead of arguing censorship either just comply or let him know you’ll take your conversation elsewhere.

        • bangkokben - Mar 5, 2016 at 10:34 AM

          http://realredskins.com/2016/02/02/need-to-know-five-free-agents-the-redskins-will-not-sign/

          The comments began a couple days after the article so most of “us” moved on. I kept getting notifications since it was a thread of mine.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Mar 4, 2016 at 8:22 PM

        Sorry Bang I misunderstood the realistic cat phrase. That’s another poster.

      • fwhalstead1 - Mar 6, 2016 at 9:36 AM

        Who uses BR as a source? Really? That’s like using Wikipedia as a source for term papers! most credible universities that offer real degrees don’t allow WIKI sources and most pl understand that BR is chock full of fans who write articles….SMH..get used to Gruden and Cousins…they’ll both be here at least 2 more years and I predict the TEAM will have success!

  7. Thetruthis - Mar 4, 2016 at 11:11 AM

    This is a single person ranking, not a committee and it is worth ONLY about what a SINGLE person’s ranking is. HIs personal preferences. I could have pulled a better ranking out of a hat! I mean this fool has Mike Tomlin at #9 given the CRAZY injuries he had to deal with and the fact that his division is TOUGH TOUGH TOUGH, and he won a playoff game with those issues. Todd Bowles is 13. given what he did in his first year in a tougher division. Now here is why you can’t take this single mans rankings with a straight face. The Broncos HC, Kubiak is ranked BELOW Gruden at 15. The Panthers HC, Ron Rivera ranked only #8 with what he did during his building process. And the Bears coach, John Fox is 16.

    And as far as Gruden getting credit for a successful decision to move Cousins into the starting role and STICK with him during his early significant interception struggles while not even Giving Robert or Colt a chance will be proven next year in 2016 going forward. A real analyst knows that you have to have more foresight than to pretend the best times are definitely ahead. I think Gruden is setting the team up for a really big fall. Which I promise you would have happened this year without Scot McCloughan. Gruden is not creative or imaginative. He has never won a playoff game and he did not even come close to winning a home playoff game this year. Gruden can talk x’s and o’s but he is no NFL caliber HC by far. You can tell even when you hear him talk. He doesn’t even talk like a HC. I think at best he is an assistant something.

    • colmac69 - Mar 4, 2016 at 11:37 AM

      Very much doubt the change to cousins as qb would have happened if mccloughlan hadn’t bn on board…….the gm is kind of guy who should bn in place yrs ago but hey ho got there in the end

      His signing is most significant piece of business that snyder has made in yrs…..track record of building contenders speaks for itself and is someone players believe in him taking team forward (which in any team sport is huge)……you saw evidence all through season on pitch and off….everyone working together with no hidden agendas…owner finally staying in background and letting gm and coach get on with it

      Thetruthis are you hk2000 under different name cause your thoughts on gruden and team are very similar plus I haven’t seen a post from hk2000 in ages?

      • bangkokben - Mar 4, 2016 at 11:48 AM

        I don’t think he is the same. I think ol’ hk2000 stopped posting because EVERYTHING he said was not only wrong but the antithesis would become true. “As long as Jay Gruden is coach, the Redskins will never…”

        If you printed the opposite of what he said, then we’d think we found a prophetic voice. The truth character just hasn’t gotten over the RG3 benching and remains bitter. We’ve got five days to two weeks more of his disappointment. Then he can follow Griffin and chirp back from time to time when Griff has perceived success and/or Jay and Kirk have perceived failure.

        • warpath1 - Mar 4, 2016 at 11:54 AM

          same person, multiple personalities.

    • ajbus1 - Mar 4, 2016 at 3:22 PM

      Doh-kay…

    • hail74 - Mar 4, 2016 at 3:31 PM

      I see nothing wrong with those rankings. Who would you replace Tomlin with? Lewis? Maybe McCarthy? That tough tough tough division has two teams that went 3-13 and 5-11. I know plenty of steeler fans that think he is overrated and just inherited a good team with a great qb. Of course that’s the whole point of this thread, fans perception of coaches.

  8. Stephfan - Mar 4, 2016 at 11:14 AM

    The one thing I find funny is that we are talking about where a clueless coach ranks. He still low ranks in my books, and to say gruden proved that cousins is a valid starter is laughable… He had one ok season, let’s see what he does next season before boast him up as a valid starter rich and anyone else that thinks it

    • fwhalstead1 - Mar 6, 2016 at 9:39 AM

      Well to be fair RG3 only had 1 good season as well and Kirk set MAJOR franchise records that have stood for 80 years! Coach is NOT clueless and by all accounts is growing into the job just as Kirk did last year. The good news is we’re all gonna have at least 2 more years with both of them on the TEAM!

  9. renhoekk2 - Mar 4, 2016 at 11:38 AM

    Barry gets a pass due to all of the injuries. But with players returning and I’m sure some early draft picks added he needs to deliver something better than what the defense did last season. Still not even remotely sold on that hiring decision by Gruden.

    • colmac69 - Mar 4, 2016 at 11:48 AM

      Would agree there on that hire……however gd def coach is only as gd as sum of the parts he got to work with….

      If defense gets major upgrade (which it badly needs) then we will see how good a coach barry is….Phillips get great credit for job he done with denver but they basically had pieces in place for right guy to push them over the edge……

      But for skins to take another step defense has to improve big time or we be stuck in same place no matter how gd offense gets

    • bangkokben - Mar 4, 2016 at 12:05 PM

      I agree with pass on Barry due to injuries. I also think it will take another two years to get the right group on defense. That doesn’t mean improvements can’t be made but if Hatcher, Goldson, Hall, Culliver, Jarrett, and Galette have prominent roles – which they might – than injuries will likely also have prominent roles.

      As for choosing Barry over other candidates, I’ve got no problem with that. Had both Denver and Washington’s defense had the same results last year except Washington hired Wad Philips and Denver hired Joe Barry, the narrative would be: “Why do we always hire retreads with no passion? We should’ve hired someone hungry like Joe Barry.” We as fans need to stop looking at results in the rearview mirror thinking that one guy could’ve made a difference. Denver was far more talented on that side of the ball. There’s not one guy on the Redskins entire defense that Denver would have had start for them.

      • hail74 - Mar 4, 2016 at 1:58 PM

        Exactly, and let’s not forget why Phillips was even available. It’s because his defense in Houston wasn’t performing.

  10. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Mar 4, 2016 at 12:35 PM

    O.T., but here’s an interesting comment from Keim’s place:
    ——
    Doug Minami · Gaithersburg, Maryland

    I cringe a little whenever someone is mentioned as a run stopper or pass rusher. After watching Green Bay trap the nickel defense on the field and run all over it, I’d like to see more players that are effective in both running and passing situations.
    ——
    ~

  11. hail74 - Mar 4, 2016 at 7:31 PM

    Nfl network reporting redskins interested in foles for backup qb

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Mar 4, 2016 at 8:19 PM

      That may be an ill-advised move it the team was to acquire Foles. That would stir up some controversy and especially if Cousins was to struggle early. Also Foles still has value and may get a chance to start somewhere. I also think reports of him returning to Philly are more likely then coming to Washington. Foles would be an expensive backup QB where Philly has the cap space to use. The Redskins hopefully will choose a young talented QB to develop instead of a recent starter from another team.

    • fwhalstead1 - Mar 6, 2016 at 9:39 AM

      Smoke screen…ain’t gonna happen…

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