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Need to Know: Will Cousins sign with the Redskins by the deadline?

Feb 14, 2016, 6:49 AM EDT


Here is what you need to know on this Sunday, February 14, 10 days before the NFL Combine in Indianapolis.

What will Cousins’ deal look like?

March 1, the last day for teams to give players the franchise tag, is about two and a half weeks away. That is the initial deadline for the Redskins and Kirk Cousins to agree to a long-term contract. Will a deal get done or not? Will it be for top dollar or something less than that?

Let’s get $100 in imaginary casino chips and spread them over four potential scenarios according to what I think the chances are. You will note that Cousins leaving and signing with another team is not one of the scenarios; I simply don’t think there is any chance of that happening.

Agrees to contract in $17-$18 million per year range, $20—This would be a relatively short-term deal, perhaps four years with the last one voidable with about $20 million guaranteed. It also would contain some incentives that would pay off for achieving individual and team goals. Cousins’ camp may want a deal like this if he wants another chance to be a free agent at age 30.

Agrees to contract in $19-$20 million per year range, $35—This would a four- or five-year deal with at least $30 million guaranteed. A $20 million per year deal in terms of annual average it would get him up with Drew Brees, Joe Flacco, and Matt Ryan. Yes, those are two Super Bowl winners and a player who has been to multiple playoffs. But the fact that the salary cap has increased dramatically since those deals were signed needs to be accounted for. The key to avoiding future cap issues like the Saints and Ravens are going through is to not backload the deal too heavily.

Gets tagged, signs by July 15 deadline, $25—It’s quite possible that the negotiations will go into overtime. I don’t want to create a new betting category here but I do think that Cousins will sign the tender and participate in the offseason program. He didn’t get first-team reps last offseason since Robert Griffin III was the starter and I doubt that he will want to set himself up for failure by missing a chance to get those reps.

Gets tagged, plays the season on the tag, $15—This really isn’t a good option for anybody. Cousins gets a nice $19 million for 2016 but no security. The Redskins get another year to evaluate Cousins’ worth on a long-term deal but if he is even competent they set themselves up for a bigger contract fight in 2017 with the tag price for Cousins jumping up to $23 million. Despite the downsides I might be underestimating the possibility of this scenario playing out. Stay tuned.

How do you think it will play out? Place your bets in the comments below.


—The Redskins last played a game 35 days ago. It will be about 210 days until they play another one.

Days until: NFL Combine 10; NFL free agency starts 24; 2016 NFL draft 74

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  1. garg8050 - Feb 14, 2016 at 7:43 AM

    Split the difference…probably 18-20 million per year over 4 years. I think it gets done before the deadline. This is a big offseason for the team. They have definite holes to fill. I don’t think they want Cousins’ contract status looming over their heads the whole offseason. The team wants to get this done so it an really focus on the draft and free agency, and hopefully, take that next step next season.

    • me4gm - Feb 14, 2016 at 5:47 PM

      I see Kirk actually considering the team needs and not necessarily going for the jackpot. Long term security at a reasonable rate for the sake of the roster at the lower end of the market. He IS like that

      • Thetruthis - Feb 19, 2016 at 9:44 AM

        Apparently not! . What I am seeing about Kirk is that he is quite the “politiian”. He knows how to “look” and “talk” humble. Colt McCoy is genuinely a humble spirit. I really feel bad for Colt because he is a better overall talent than Kirk and jay Gruden treated Colt very bad and as a result has landed the redskins in a very very very BAD position. And here is why it would have been Smarter for the organization to do it my way. Jay Gruden just wanted to look good at the cost of the organization. He was only thinking short term.

        If Jay had decided he was not sold that RG3 could make Grudens system successful, this is what he should have done.

        1. Held a full year practice and game-time competition-which is the only place you can really tell how a player is going to work out. San Francisco did this with Steve Young and Joe Montana and it worked out well.
        2. Declared this year as an assessment year to find their QB.
        3. He should have allowed all 3 to work with first team. RG3 1st, because the team hired Jay to develop RG3 and make the team look like they were smart for betting the farm on him. And Grudens 2nd and 3rd rotation of Colt and Kirk.
        4. They each should have gotten 5 games to start with even some situation play and the lead dog should have played the 16th game.
        5. In that way the skins could have seen whether RG3 could progress in Jays system with the new offensive line in place and the new improved coaching staff. They could have also seen how much Colt McCoy has progressed and to see his upside during games and of course Kirk could have also shown what he could do-under the same circumstances as the other two!!!
        6. Given the decision making year that 2016 was for the skins, they could have made their decision about RG3 and if he played well, they could possibly have traded him, because to not play him devalued his stock for the skins as well-(just a stupid ass move), Kirk is a FA, if he played well, he would not have expected such a big contract because the other competition would have precluded that, they could have locked into a long term for a significantly lower salary, and 3rd, maybe Colt would have played even better, possibly beating better teams and also Colt McCoy is also a FA.
        7. The worst thing the skins could have done if they are interested in building was to win the division. Why? because that gives them the toughest schedule next year and a lower draft pick. Even a 2 year old knew they were not going to win the Super Bowl this year so the division win is going to come back and bite them in the butt. Trust me Dallas did not want to win that last game against the skins. They benefit from easier schedule next year and a higher draft pick.
        8. The bottom line is the redskins were in a special place and should have been more strategic by using this year to really find out if RG3 was ready-missed opportunity here, and also to see what the other two QB’s who also have been in the system for the second year could do. If RG3 played well, they could have continued the experiment next year for a mere $16mil allowing them to sign other talent, and if not, they would have had more information on their back ups and possibly would have been happy with either Colt or Kirk. After all Colt McCoy was a Heisman runner-up. What a negotiating sweet place the skins could have been in this year instead of having all those unanswered questions that should have been answered this year.
        9. Due to Jay Grudens continual bad decision making, he has put the skins in a very very bad place if your goal is to win a super bowl.

        Isn’t it interesting that the redskins are so afraid of loosing Kirk to another team, but I have not heard of a single team talking about wanting him as their starter. I have heard about other teams possibly looking at Brock and Bradford and Alex Smith though. The skins should also consider these players. Wouldn’t it be something if RG3 and Colt McCoy turned out to be the better player over a long term Kirk Cousins when they were all right under the skins nose and within reach? Too bad, because of Gruden, you will NEVER KNOW. And that was just a stupid move!!!

        • Rich Tandler - Feb 19, 2016 at 10:10 AM

          Re: Other teams not talking about wanting Cousins as their starting QB:
          –It would be tampering
          –They know he’s not going to be available because he’s going to be signed or tagged.

          Wow, you must think that people are really interested in what you have to say. I mean, when the comment is longer than the post is . . .

    • rcjur - Feb 14, 2016 at 7:59 PM

      Team isn’t in no rush to get this contract done! Team would be stupid to franchise Kirk Cousins. This guy is an average qb that got lucky to win division. Redskins should offer Cousins a fair 2 year 20 million contract with incentives, period! The Redskins are being taken by Gruden and Cousins with their lucky year success of dink and dunk and there is not enough body of work to pay Cousins in the top 10. Right now there are better Qbs in the league than Cousins who the skins can get cheaper i.e. trade 3rd pick for MaCarron, get 2 no 1s for Cousins if a team is stupid enough to pay! Cousins is not worth overpaying and setting the team back. There is a betting chance next season Cousins will regress due to a tougher schedule. Redskins need to be smart and don’t care if they lose Cousins because if they overpay and keep him, most NFC East will be happy that they did, and a team like the Rams will be even more happier if they are able to sign RG III after they got draft picks, and combine his skills with RB Gurley in sunshine LA. Either way for RG III it will be either Rams or Cowboys. Cousins is not worth what the media hype especially Keim and these Cousins fans think. In no way.

      • bangkokben - Feb 14, 2016 at 8:13 PM

        It’s not about how valuable he is to a team but what the market dictates. Predicting what the market dictates is not equating Cousins’ ability to other quarterbacks that have similar contracts. I doubt you and other Griffin sycophants can comprehend this but it doesn’t matter. You have your pre-recorded rants to type and send when the topic is Cousins or Griffin.

        • rcjur - Feb 14, 2016 at 9:27 PM

          And so does you when it comes to Cousins. Fact is he has half a season on tape and you crazies like you think he’s worth 19 mil or more. Crazy..

        • bangkokben - Feb 15, 2016 at 11:20 AM

          You continue to MISS the point. It’s not that he is worth $19 million but that $16-$20 million is the going rate for a starting QB. As for the half a season argument, that’s your regurgitated manure. His 2015 stats can easily be looked up and they’re never just the top six games of 2015 but the COMBINATION of the good and the bad AND when combined their top half.

      • Henry - Feb 14, 2016 at 10:13 PM

        I agree.!

      • Trey Gregory - Feb 15, 2016 at 12:58 AM

        @rc: people who don’t understand football, like you, drive me nuts.

        Gruden’s and Cousins did not get lucky because of dink and dunk. That was the system. It’s called a West Coast Offense. Look it up. There are multiple versions of it in the league right now, and a lot of history to show it works.Tom Brady throws a lot of short passes to the middle of the field and I never hear anyone complain about that. They run a west coast/spread hybrid. Just because you don’t understand the system, doesn’t mean it’s bad or that they’re fooling anyone.

        I also want to point out that there’s a big difference between Cousins regressing and the team losing more game than they did last year. There’s a decent chance that Cousins can improve from last year, and the team losing more games. If the division improves and our team doesn’t improve much around Cousins, then there’s a very good chance. Wins and Losses are not a very accurate way to evaluate how a QB personally performed.

        The fact of the matter is that this team, as a whole, still has a way to go. Cousins can’t win it all on his own (which was the argument for RG3 in 2013-2014). Don’t just cherry pick things to say because you think they back up your argument.

        I also find it hilariously hypocritical that so many people are SOLD on AJ McCarron after 2-3 decent games but not sold on Cousins after way more quality playing time. Cousins was also statistically better tha AJ during the time they both played, and AJ was on a much better overall team. So you’re a huge hypocrite if you say we haven’t seen enough of Cousins to know yet but you want to put the future of our franchise into a guy who hasn’t even played an entire half of an NFL season. If Cinci were willing to trade him, it would cost us draft picks. So don’t act like it would be saving the team anything either.

        Cousins is worth a contract somewhere around 16-20 mil a year because that’s the current market value for QBs like him right that. That’s reality. Just deal with it

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 15, 2016 at 7:56 AM

          New England runs the Erhardt-Perkins offense system.

        • Trey Gregory - Feb 15, 2016 at 11:24 AM

          Please correct me if I’m wrong. But just based off watching NE play, whatever you want to label it, are they not playing some variation of a Weat Coast offense? With spread concepts sprinkled in all over the place. Forget any label and just watch them play, tell me what you see.

          Everyone creates their own version of a system. They’re certainly not running Bill Walsh’s system. I know there’s something like 6 current teams running the Erhardt-Perkins offense (Carolina and AZ for example). But I personally dont see a ton of similarities in what NE and Carolina do. I’m strictly speaking of the passing game. When I watch NE play I see a ton of quick passes on timed routs. Most of them short/intermediate passes across the middle. Lots of play action, and a few deep balls every now and then. Then you add in their spread elements, and yeah, it’s different but there’s still a lot of west coast elements to their game.

          I guess my point, and how I could have said it better, was that New England does what some people call “dink and dunk” a lot. Maybe I got too general in my description of their offense. But nobody criticizes them for their offense. Obviously because they’ve proven they can win. I just want to point out that people are winning with those kinds of offenses and they’re doing it on purpose, not because they can’t do anything else.

        • Chase - Feb 15, 2016 at 10:46 AM

          I definitely agree with everything you just said its funny how when people start talking football and know nothing about types of styles of offenses there are of what system we run and how well Kirk ran it this year I think he is building his confidence more and more every game and every snap he takes under center and with guys like de’sean jackson and Jordan Reid on the catching end of the football I think they are all finally finding each others stregenths and getting into sync with each other I think Kirk is worth exactly what you said its not to much to were we are over doing it and it’s not to less to were he would feel like we aren’t appreciative of what he did for us this year unthinkable this past year he finally got the starting spot and he knew it was his and that even if he performed badly one week he wasn’t going to get benched I played QB in high school and knowing that it’s your spot and it’s your team and your offense and coach is behind you makes such a difference on your confidence and how you perform …..let’s get this deal done skins and make another run at the playoffs #skinsnation

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 15, 2016 at 11:54 AM

          I was primarily providing the nomenclature.

          With New England, it seems like it depends on the year as to what style they’ve run. Belichick has run it as a more run oriented offense when he had Corey Dillon. He also ran it as no huddle with Randy Moss. However, I think it has been mostly used as a spread offense. I see it more like you do but mostly as a NFL spread. The concept of short quick passes still applies which has characteristics of a West Coast in that respect.

          Below looks like a good explanation. Honestly I’ve never fully understood how the scheme works.
          “The backbone of the Erhardt-Perkins system is that plays — pass plays in particular — are not organized by a route tree or by calling a single receiver’s route, but by what coaches refer to as “concepts.” Each play has a name, and that name conjures up an image for both the quarterback and the other players on offense. And, most importantly, the concept can be called from almost any formation or set. Who does what changes, but the theory and tactics driving the play do not. “In essence, you’re running the same play,” said Perkins. “You’re just giving them some window-dressing to make it look different.

          The biggest advantage of the concept-based system is that it operates from the perspective of the most critical player on offense: the quarterback. In other systems, even if the underlying principles are the exact same, the play and its name might be very different. Rather than juggling all this information in real time, an Erhardt-Perkins quarterback only has to read a given arrangement of receivers.”

        • Trey Gregory - Feb 15, 2016 at 12:19 PM

          Yeah I know you were just giving me the name, and I appreciate it. I didn’t think you were calling me out or anything. I appreciate your input on some of the more technical things around here. And thanks for that description. It was pretty good.

          I looked this up in…. Probably 2011 (maybe 2010) when the Pats were just killing everyone with those two TE sets. I kind of got the idea of the offense but not the ins and outs of it like I understand about some other offenses. The thing that stood out was a power run game, and being run first to set up play action passes. They obviously changed that a bit. I also know Bellichick brings in college coaches to help innovate NE’s offense. I think your description calling it “the NFL spread” is about perfect. Chip Kelly was not the first guy to try these things.

          Anyway, my point is that since I didn’t completely understand the offense, I just looked at what they do. It very much reminds me of a West Coast variation with spread elements. Or at the very least what some people call “dink and dunk.” They have maybe the best coach/QB combo ever, and that’s what they chose to do. Long drives, control the clock, work against the less athletic cover men in the middle, and spread the defense out with five receivers (sometimes including TEs with the receivers). They believe that’s a good way to win football games. So I can’t understand why people say dink and dunk as if it’s a bad thing. Just because Cousins isn’t as good as Brady doesn’t mean we can’t try to emulate some of the things he does.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 15, 2016 at 12:16 PM

          “I guess my point, and how I could have said it better, was that New England does what some people call “dink and dunk” a lot. Maybe I got too general in my description of their offense. But nobody criticizes them for their offense. Obviously because they’ve proven they can win. I just want to point out that people are winning with those kinds of offenses and they’re doing it on purpose, not because they can’t do anything else.”

          I used to only credit the receiver with YACs but over the years I started to realize guys like Brady who have such high YACs year-after-year is a credit to them as well. Brady has the ability to find the receiver who gets the most yards after the catch. I believe he has a special ability to read further through routes than most other QBs.

        • Trey Gregory - Feb 15, 2016 at 12:35 PM

          @Redskins name: that’s a really good point about YAC man. The QB can set the guy up for success. It HAS to be more than a couincidence if he can keep doing it with multiple receivers. Brady is amazing. Some of those things obviously come with experience over so much time. Especially in real games.

          My hope for Cousins is that he will continue to grow in the nuanced areas like this the more he plays. So many people want to hold his slow growth against him because he’s been in the league for 4 years and maybe progressed slower than some. But man, I think you would agree that you can only progress so much with practice. You need game reps. I just wish people would remember than Brady wasn’t always this good. Remember his first Super Bowl? People were basically saying he sucked and only got there because of an elite defense. Look at the growth of Russel Wilson from 2014-2015 as a passer. I used to say he was overrated as a passer; I can’t say that anymore.

          I don’t mean to compare Cousins with Brady. Just those things (like the YAC example you used) really separate the great QBs from guys with talent but who don’t really get it. I have high expectations for Cousins that he’s going to improve in these areas with another year or two under his belt.

        • bangkokben - Feb 15, 2016 at 12:36 PM

          Trey, Good post. Here is reality when it comes to Cousins being a “dink and dunk” QB:

          First off, EVERYBODY is a dink and dunk QB. Second, Cousins is 12th BEST out of 44 quarterbacks that threw at least 100 passes last year in a stat called Marginal Air Yards. Marginal Air Yards are calculated as:
          mAir = (Air Yards/Attempt – LgAvg Air Yards/Attempt)*Attempts. (LgAvg = League average)

          So in other words, Cousins isn’t benefiting any more than any other QB in dink and dunk passes that result in good plays from his playmakers. (Of course, what would the harm in that be?) In fact, he is actually benefiting less than the average NFL pass. Furthermore, every stat that tries to paint Cousins as THE ONLY QB benefiting from short passes doesn’t come close. They all show that he is right in the middle of the pack.

          Finally, the vocal crowd that insists that this is the reason for ANY of his success have no clue that this is how football is played or has been for the last 25 years. As you stated (implied really), most of today’s NFL tries to be EFFICIENT in the passing game.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 15, 2016 at 1:03 PM

          Ah yes, how could I forget the TE package which was just another variation. If I recall correctly they added Hernandez as a H-back like player. He was a fast second TE that defenses couldn’t cover. He was too big for a CB and too fast for most LBs to cover. This was around the time Shanahan moved Niles Paul to TE and I was expecting him to be used in a similar way.

          The thing is about West Coast, it doesn’t have to be strictly a short passing attack. Brett Favre ran the West Coast offense at Green Bay and there were an abundance of stretch routes. I really want to see the West Coast for Cousins run similarly.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 15, 2016 at 1:20 PM

          I thinks its important for Gruden and his staff to open up the offense more for Cousins. I expect that to happen more next season. I’m not looking for Air Coryell fly routes all game but Cousins needs to threaten defenses with the deep ball. I don’t think Cousins has ideal arm strength but I still think he can be a long ball passing threat. I’m cautiously optimistic about Cousins. I didn’t think he would correct his turnover issues as well as he did. The turnaround in that area was nothing more than miraculous.

        • bangkokben - Feb 15, 2016 at 1:44 PM


          Cousins does need to take more shots downfield – whether that’s play calls or not waiting long enough for plays to develop. I think you can see that from the time Jackson returned; Cousins’ stats improved but also his sack rate got higher. I think there was an effort to take shots downfield later in the year and some of them Cousins avoided throwing the pass when he could’ve hit them. Of course, there were others where he was pressured and not taking a shot was the smart thing to do. Due to his gun-slinging nature, that is a good thing. Last thing we need is Cousins just throwing balls up for grabs on a regular basis. But there are times when he has to do this. Down by two scores in the fourth quarter on 3rd and long for instance. Depending on the situation, the check down isn’t going to help. Knowing when, is an art that takes a while to develop. I’m hoping he continues to improve.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 15, 2016 at 1:59 PM

          Bang, I won’t argue that most QBs rely more heavily on the short pass. That’s a product of the fact most offenses are West Coast and only a few even run a variation of Air Coryell.

          There are areas where Cousins was overly reliant on passes 10 yards and under.
          68 percent of Cousins’ passes were either behind the line of scrimmage or less than 10 yards.
          The NFL average for all 32 teams is 60 percent.
          Cousins had the seventh-most passing attempts but the 28th-highest yards per completion.

          This doesn’t mean I’m attacking Cousins for the supposed “dink and dunk” tendency. Some of if may be contributed to Jackson being out and Reed also missing some time as well. It also may be due to Crowder’s development which he showed constant improvement in the second half of the season.

          Moreover, I blame the scheme itself for the abundance of passes under 10 years. I think the reason for the high numbers of passes under 10 yards is because the coaches progressively moved away from running the ball. Honestly, the offense threw the ball way too much. More than any other offense in Redskins history. I’ll contend that this has been Gruden’s history running his West Coast which shows repeatedly that he lacked a commitment to the run game.

          I do have optimism that next season will reveal an improved offense with better running influenced under Callahan’s tutelage. Include another season with Cousins throwing to Reed, Jackson, Crowder, and Garcon things should open up more. I’m changing the subject here some but the most impressive aspect about Crowder’s performance is that he (not Jackson) was second to Reed in YAC’s. The kid has a future here playing the slot.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 15, 2016 at 2:04 PM

          I agree about not returning to his gun slinging ways and that he is still developing his overall game. I hope he can make similar strides with his accuracy downfield as he has in the short to intermediate routes. Cousins still throws a bit behind his receivers too often as well but that’s not unreasonable with him having one full season running the offense.

        • bangkokben - Feb 15, 2016 at 2:32 PM

          As for moving away from running the ball, that was out of necessity rather than tendency. I know Gruden was criticized for this in his time in Cincinnati and even his first year here but the reality is that the running game was averaging less than two yards on first down and the passing game was not. Early in the year, you could see the ration of run to pass was nearly equal and it never got New Englandish where they seldom ran it in a few games. In fact, Washington still had the 11th highest run-pass ratio at 43.6% despite being wretched in yards per attempt 3.7.

          I think the coaches have shown they know how to optimize their scheme. Where they have failed is not being appropriately aggressive. When they have played to keep games close is where they have failed – the first Dallas game for instance.

        • Thetruthis - Feb 15, 2016 at 2:51 PM

          A.J. McCarron played a more competitive schedule as I remember, and also, he did not play a scaled down version of the offense which kept his long throws to a minimum and thirdly he was not a turnover machine at any point during last year, and further more he only makes $600K a year for next year. He is not expected to be the starter. Andy Dalton salary only $16mil and I think the skins would do better trading cousins to the Bengals for Dalton and maybe getting a trade as well. What? the Bengals are not interested? They don’t want to trade for Cousin? There’s your answer Sherlock. It’s not about cherry picking. Cousins has had too many up and down games and he has lost to all of the better teams. You are a dumb negotiator and I would love to negotiate with you!!! You sound desperate. No, Colt McCoy will do just fine. Take that money and get another QB easily, and pay some more defensive players. Its not just about stupidly wasting your money all on cousins it is about surrounding the QB with great talent. How dare you ask Jordan Reed to take a pay cut (a proven player) to give to Cousins who needs a Jordan Reed in order to even beat bad teams.

        • Trey Gregory - Feb 15, 2016 at 10:34 PM

          @theTruth: were you talking to me with that ridiculous post? Because let’s be clear here, you need to know what you’re talking about before you go off on someone like that. It’s cute that you watch storage wars and now think you’re an expert negotiator and all. But you don’t know me or other people around here personally. You have no idea what my negotiation background is. So relax.

          When I say you should know what you’re talking about: you said that Washington should trade Cousins to the Bengals. Then responded to your own statement by saying the Bengals wouldn’t want Cousins. Here’s why that’s moronic. 1) Because Cousins will be a free agent in March. If the Bengals traded AJ for Cousins they would have Cousins for about two weeks then Cousins could walk to any team in free agency. Brilliant plan. 2) I think the Bengals would love to have Kirk Cousins as their backup QB if he was willing to sign the appropriate contract. You really should get a clue before talking,

          And who said Jordan Reed should take a pay cut for Cousins? I sure didn’t. Paying Cousons and paying Reed aren’t mutually exclusive. We can do both. I’ve been an advocate of signing Reed to a similar deal like Kelce got this offseason instead of waiting until next year.

          And AJ McCarron played 7 regular season games + 1 playoff game. Cousins played 17 total. Pretty hard to compare those schedules. But let’s do it. McCarron played the Browns (awful) the Rams (not very good) the Browns again, the Steelers (a good team, but the Bengals lost), San Feancisco (awful), Denver (a good team, but the Bengals lost), and Baltimore (awful). Then lost to Pittsburgh (with a depleted run game) in the playoffs. Sooooo AJ didn’t beat a team with a winning record either. Let’s also remember that the Bengals are a much, much better team top to bottom than the Redskins. If you even think about blaming that playoff loss on his teammates then you better be ready to credit them for those wins. So that was basically a really stupid thing to say too. McCarron did NOT play a tougher schedule than Cousins. Not that either of them have control over that anyway.

          Cousins also had better stats than McCarron.

          As far as Andy Dalton’s contract. This is just like comparing any player at any position when one gets paid a couple years before the other. As the salary cap increases, so do the new contracts. Dalton got a fair contract for the time he negotiated it but would be getting paid closer to 18-19 mil if he was negotiating it today. That’s how it works bud.

          How would you negotiate this with Cousins? He has all the leverage. Because if we don’t pay him, someone will. And you’re and idiot if your answer to to let him lose and play Colt McCoy instead. Our only leverage is the franchise tag. But we also don’t want to do that because we will pay even more and have to do it all over again next year. The only good option is to pay Cousins market value. Which will probably be around 18-19 mil. When that happens, I want you to remember what you said and call Scot McCloughan a stupid negotiator that you would love to negotiate with. You have no idea what you’re talking about, good luck with that.

        • Trey Gregory - Feb 16, 2016 at 1:24 AM

          @Bang and Redskins name: you two seem to be the only guys not talking nonsense here. Man, this subject brings out the crazies.

          But in response to a couple things you guys said. Yes, I think Gruden needs to open up the offense. It was so clear that he didn’t always have full faith in Cousins this season. Sometimes it was just timid playcalling (3 runs in a row when we were in FG range instead if trying for the TD) and other times it was obvious he wasn’t using the whole playbook. I think he felt burned for last year and wanted to ease Cousins into this role, maybe too much at times. Eventually you have to trust the guy you picked and let him go. I’m sure, in his mind, he didn’t want to wreck Cousins’ confidence in case of INTs or something but that has to change in 2016. I personally think Gruden has a pretty damn good offensive mind and playbook and we could greatly benefit from its entirety.

          I know the West Coast isn’t all just short passes. A lot of it has to do with the reads too. I’m all for having Cousins throw a little deeper. As you said, his arm strength isn’t ideal but it’s also not awful. He can throw downfield. We don’t have the best personnel for that though. It’s either a home run to Desean or something across the middle to everyone else. I really hope we get a longer receiver who can work the sidelines better.

          Of course I agree that a lot of the short passes supplemented the run game. I’m not sold that Morris couldn’t have gotten going if he didn’t get consistent carries though. That could be Gruden’s undoing, and I like Gruden. He just doesn’t seem capable of sticking to a run game. Maybe because he was a QB and he always wanted to throw. But it would have to be easier to open the offense and throw deeper if we had an actual run game going.

          I think it’s very smart and logical to know that Cousins isn’t a finished product and is still improving. I full expect him to take some lumps next year. I really hope we have a run game to lean on when that happens. Defenses are going to try to take away the short/intermediate passes and we just have to be able to take shots downfield when that happens. The most interesting part of next season, to me, will be to see how much Cousins has grown in Gruden’s eyes based off how the playcalling changes.

          And speaking of two TE sets and Niles Paul. Man, Paul and Reed could do some damage together. They really could incorporate some of those concepts that the Patriots used in 2011-2012 and do some damage. Right in the part of the field that Cousins and Gruden seem to love to work. There could be some interesting play designs using DY in the passing game how you describes Hernandez lining up as a half back too. I don’t quite understand why we didn’t use him more when we lost our blocking TEs. But that’s just the way of the league I guess.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 16, 2016 at 6:49 AM

          Trey, nice overall response on the A.J. McCarron proposal along with the storage wars comments. I haven’t seen this much lobbying for McCoy to be a starter since he was a Freshman at Texas. I actually like McCoy and if he possessed a stronger arm, he possibly could be a starter in the NFL.

          The next suggestion we might hear from TheTruth is how Donald Trump could replace Gruden as the new head coach while still holding a seat at the White House. After all, he’ll be working in the same area and TheTruth sees the guy as a winner. Trump will now transcend his brilliance from Trump Plaza to the Oval Office and on the Sidelines as the new Redskins Head Coach where Colt McCoy lead the team under a record low $50,000 a year contract. Why? Because that is what Winners do!

      • Terry Norris - Feb 15, 2016 at 4:21 AM

        I agree!! Cousins is not the answer. Dinks and dings his arm is not strong enough. He has a very good 15 to 20 yard accurate arm. Anything further than that interception probability prone.

        • Trey Gregory - Feb 15, 2016 at 12:26 PM

          @Terry: Even if I agreed with you and that statement (which I don’t), you can still win with a QB who is very good and accurate within 20 yards. You can make an entire offensive system around it, which has been done multiple times with success in the past.

          Look, I think one of the reasons for the divide between Cousins supporters and haters are that the supporters are seeing him for who he can become and the other side sees him for who he was, or at best, who he is right now. I want them to ink Cousins to a long term deal, but he still needs to improve and has a long way to go. I just think he has it, even if he isn’t a complete product yet.

          Cousins made tremendous growth last season. I fully expect him to come back down a little next year, but that doesn’t mean he’s bad. This growing process will take a bit of time. But Cousins is plenty good enough to get this team through a rebuild right now and hopefully he will be good enough to take this team to the next level in a couple year when McCloughan’s rebuild is further along.

  2. shawnbridy31 - Feb 14, 2016 at 7:49 AM

    I think he’s gonna get tagged, to prove himself deal. I think they still unsure about Cousins just like they still devided about RG3. We will see what happens but I think they gonna tag him for sure because Cousins camp want big money and just like Scott said he’s not dumping all that money into one person when it’s a team thing.

    • colorofmyskinz - Feb 14, 2016 at 9:39 AM

      That would be a total disaster! Franchise tag is NOT the way to go with this. Cousins is much better than average and that is all we need. We saw an average performance QB win the Super Bowl this year – manning. We need stability with long term deal to plan the team around. Not a superstar.

      • therealistcat - Feb 14, 2016 at 10:08 AM

        Problem is sir, aside from the fickle fan base and confused money hungry media, no business man in their right mind would pay Kirk top money after the variable ridden season he had last year. At best he is worth a short term deal worth 13-15 mil a year, and this is a generous number. Simply put, he played horrible against man coverage, made bad decisions in pressure situations, failed to deliver in high caliber game situations; and failed to demonstrate a keen ability to manage the game outside of the coaches game plan/design——–I did not see a franchise qb. Outside of the media and fickle fan bases attempt to paint this guy as a franchise qb, there is much reason to be tempered when considering an actual deal for him. I suspect that this is the reason they have not locked him in as of yet. Just from a business standpoint, I do not see other teams waiting to lock in guys they are wholeheartedly confident in. Its not rocket science; If you are a star and we are convinced you are a star, we will lock you in before the sun rises. However, if there is reason for doubt, or we are not on the same page regarding your market value, then we are probably looking at a longer process. In fact, Kirk might just hit the open market. Don’t be surprised and think beyond fandom and media fodder………..

        • Rich Tandler - Feb 14, 2016 at 10:25 AM

          Do I see “realistic” in your handle? Sorry but KC signing for less than $15 million is not realistic. Nor is letting him walk.

        • wvredskins - Feb 14, 2016 at 10:28 AM

          You are wrong in many ways. Cousins will get signed by the deadline and they would be foolish to let him walk.

        • hail74 - Feb 14, 2016 at 11:20 AM

          None of what you mentioned is even remotely accurate. He’ll get paid market value for a starting QB entering FA this year. That’s it, bottom line.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 14, 2016 at 12:08 PM

          First off; only I’m allowed to used “fickle fan base” phrase here [sarcasm].

          The issue you have for the Redskins is what other options do they have?

          Technically the only Quarterback on the roster with a contract is RG3 right now. Cousins has a year under his belt with the offensive system. Finally, I don’t see any better options by replacing him in FA. Cousins proved enough in 2015 to show he was good game manager of the offense. While I agree he wasn’t stellar, he did show enough to invest another season in him to see if he continues to improve. Also I think Gruden will lobby very hard for Cousins because he is the primary reason his job as HC is secured.

          This is the dilemma IMO, the organization has left itself with for QBs. No matter what choices are made they’ll have to overpay for Cousins based on his current resume. The only question I think exists is do they take a full hit of 20 million on the salary cap by tagging him or try to sign him to multiple years with a reduced cap hit?

          I don’t think there is any chance whatsoever that the team signs RG3 over Cousins at this point (ZERO). That fate was apparent when Gruden flipped on the starter in preseason.

          My money is on the 17-18 million range Rich listed as the closest deal that will be signed. If Cousins won’t sign for that range then tag him.

        • rtcwon - Feb 14, 2016 at 12:11 PM

          Haha, you claim a business approach and then commit three cardinal mistakes. No business person would engage in area of non expertise (talent evaluation) involve emotion or make up arbitrary numbers. Who are your comps at 13-15 per? Because I know, I can affirm you don’t!

          A real business person, without knowing anything else about football except QB is the most important position, would look at supply & demand and hope for something as cheap as 7yrs at $20M.

          If you don’t see $20M per on any four or more year deal as cheap, you don’t understand the business side of football. If Kirk didn’t have the kneel down or the Giants, Jets, most of Atlanta and half of TB games, he could be commanding 22-25 per.

        • therealistcat - Feb 14, 2016 at 2:11 PM

          rtcwon, I evaluate talent everyday and I have been responsible for 100’s of jobs over the last 4 years. I understand supply and demand, valuations, market analysis, etc. in ways that you may not imagine. I don’t purport to know exactly what is going on at Redskins Park. However, I am basing my hypothesis on a thorough overview of Kirk’s performance and the market he created for himself based said performance. I’m sorry, a roughly six game sample size with slightly above average play against soft zone coverage, does not equate to a huge deal in my book. I also happened to have played and studied the game past high school; I’ve come to an understanding that both my sports and business acumen makes my position at the very least plausible. In my world, we do not give top dollar for talent that does not have an extensive resume and proven track record of high level performances. If you think I’m wrong I respect that, however, my worldview is not based on emotion nor is it based on fandom.

        • therealistcat - Feb 14, 2016 at 2:23 PM

          Rich, first thanks for the response. Its cool to see you reaching out to the fans in such a personal way, even if they disagree with you. At any rate, my problem with your position is that you are originating your evaluation of Kirk as though he is now a top QB in the league at this point. I say………….maybe, but when did his type of sample size become a viable method of assessing whether he is a long term answer within your organization or not; that’s what confuses me? The fact that this kid had some rocky moments throughout the season and as recently as the Green Bay game, says one might want to exercise restraint when considering a long term deal. I respect the fact that you like this guy, but I just can’t figure out the logic in a 18-20 mil deal over the course of 4 to 5 years with all of the guaranteed money you are talking about? I just don’t get it? I need to see him run the offense unscripted; make the off schedule plays and improvisation throughout the game, show the leadership intangibles that are at the core of franchise guys. Then lets talk long term money!

        • Thetruthis - Feb 14, 2016 at 4:00 PM

          If this writer and some of the redskin fan base would just put the liquor glasses down for a few, they may be able to take a deep breath and THINK for a minute. I swear they sound so desperate as if Kirk Cousins is a SURE bet (Tom Brady history) or there are no other options (Colt McCoy) available, and thirdly, that Kirk can get a better deal with another desirable NFL team that will give him the chance to succeed like the skins. Also, was this opportunity not a gift this year given to Cousins by the skins? Would Cousins not have been benched, like Nick Foles this year after Cousins quickly turned into a turnover machine early in the season? How did Kirk perform against winning teams? How did Kirk perform against the pass rush (lets not forget Denver-Superbowl performance). Did Colt McCoy get a chance to show how well he could play with the same opportunity? And the best question is: What other QB could $20Mil money a year buy. There are some trades that could be made for that money and possibly even get two or three top players.

          All we know is that if teams will sit back and let Kirk throw his 5 and 10 yard passes then Kirk can play quite well. Now lets get realistic skins who say they want to win a Super Bowl. How likely is that going to happen on the playoff road? Top QB’s MUST perform extremely well under pressure in order to win the SB today. Kirk does not have the best ball placement down field on long throws. He often places it where a defender can also get at it.

          Kirk Cousins would be lucky and I mean lucky to get a second year opportunity to be named starter with the skins (and we have heard lying Jay Gruden say before that he always have competition at all positions no matter what-MORE OF HIS CONVENIENT LIES TO BENCH ROBERT). Kirk makes $700k was a 4th round draft pick, player up and down throughout his career with the skins. Was often off target and easily hurried where he turned over the ball and made bad decisions and threw interceptions-remember the Falcons to name one).

          Kirk should get a congratulations contract, you have earned the opportunity to take the starting job to the next and final test. To win against winning teams and against a tougher winners schedule next year. You are not at the level of us using all that cap money to franchise you this year based on the last few years performance. But, we are please with your progress. So, we will offer you $3mil this year, with the opportunity to go to $6 next year, and then to $12 year 3 and an option of $19 in year four. We will give you a $3 mil signing bonus this year to encourage you to continue what we have started here. Guarantee year 1 and year 2 money and the signing bonus only. If Kirk Cousins does not think that is fair, then he should test free agency. Teddy Bridgewater $1.7M a year; Tyrod Taylor $1.1M; AJ McCarron $600K a year; Brock Osweiler $879K a year; Blaine Gabbert $2Mil ; Fitzpatrick $3.6M ; Roethlisberger $21.8M; Cam Newton $20.7M ; Romo $18M ;Dalton $16M ; Brady $9Mil; Luck $7.6Mil ; Hoyer $5.2Mil. And on an on an on. Now where should kirk be paid? Would you like to buy another QB with the $20 mil? Are do you STILL WANT ANOTHER DRINK OF LIQUOR?? smh

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 14, 2016 at 5:00 PM

          ” You are not at the level of us using all that cap money to franchise you this year based on the last few years performance. But, we are please with your progress. So, we will offer you $3mil this year, with the opportunity to go to $6 next year, and then to $12 year 3 and an option of $19 in year four. We will give you a $3 mil signing bonus this year to encourage you to continue what we have started here. ”

          I see no chance in the above statement reflecting the final negotiations on Cousins’ new contract.

          The NFL created the rookie contract to avoid the risk of drafting highly touted players and signing them at current player market values. However, the rookie contract for Cousins has expired. Cousins is the starter and now the team must anti-up on it’s investment. IMO, if the organization did everything right in managing their intended franchise player then this should have been the time when the GM is working on a RG3 extension based on his performance of 4 years as a starter and weighed against the current salary market value of players in the same position However instead, they allow Gruden to flip on starters in the last season of these contracts. So now the organization is stuck with working on a Cousins extension based on his limited performances of 4 years.

          I personally don’t like the current scenario and my confidence in Cousins as a long term solution is lower than many more enthusiastic supporters here. I’d love to switch the tables by replacing the coach with someone like Bevell and then sign RG3 to a cheaper long term deal while letting Cousins find a starting position on another team. However, none of that is going to happen because the team choose a coach who wants to go in a different direction.

          The only form of reality I see now is working out a deal that will be more than what Cousins probably is worth right now. The market forces of free agency are going to force the Redskins hand here and the organization is not willing to pay the cost of generating new instability in the QB position. They’ll view the risk of starting over again at QB as being far higher than the risk of paying Cousins a 16 to 19 million dollar contract.

        • Trey Gregory - Feb 15, 2016 at 1:03 AM

          Why do some people act like McCloughan COULD sign Cousins for 5 mil a year if he wanted to. You better believe that some team out there will give Cousins a big contract if we don’t (see Matt Flynn and Josh McCown). That’s Cousins’ leverage. Our leverage is the franchise tag. Those are supposed to be the last resort of the negotiation, to make sure each side meets in the middle somewhere. Not the plan going in. Of course we would love to sign Cousins to less and stockpile other players. But that’s not reality guys. It’s just not.

      • Mr.moneylover - Feb 14, 2016 at 10:21 AM

        Kirk cousins is average… Look at the teams he beat and look at the numbers when he’s facing good teams…he deserve a average contract that redskins can hop out of if he don’t improve… Giving a big deal to kirk cousins is highly unlikely from the redskins side but a long term average deal for both sides is likely… Contract will have goals in it for sure

        • goback2rfk - Feb 14, 2016 at 10:52 AM

          They can save a lot of money if they just let Kirk walk and then they have Rob for next season at 16 mil.
          Keep in mind, Rg3 has been working on his footwork and with QB coaches all season! Plus he is completely healthy!

        • James McFullan - Feb 14, 2016 at 11:08 AM

          Until RGIII gets hurt on the first snap. Stop living in 2012, RGIII will never look that good again, he was an average QB who looked better than he was because of his athleticism. Teams now know how to stop RGIII. Plus the only person in the Redskins organization, including the players, that likes RGIII is Dan Synder. RGIII doesn’t know how to throw from the pocket, he can’t read defenses, and once he gets hurt it just shows we lost a long term QB who can help us won games. Although goback2rfk, you would enjoy watching the Redskins pay RGMe 16 million dollars to sit at home and ice his knee while he watches the game.

        • hail74 - Feb 14, 2016 at 11:23 AM

          Let’s not get into that argument again. Rob is going to another team and can hopefully resurrect his career. Kirk will get a nice contract suitable to a starting qb in this league and will hopefully continue to improve on his top 10 performance of this year.

        • Mr.moneylover - Feb 14, 2016 at 11:25 AM

          Yea…plus scot m. Loves the guy and think he can still play

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 14, 2016 at 12:17 PM

          “Until RGIII gets hurt on the first snap.”

          This is the stuff a Cowboy Fan makes up. If you can’t be balanced about RG3 then quit with the ignorant comments. Who are you to state he’ll never be the same? Many QBs have recovered form serious injuries to continue their careers.

          If folks have an opinion that includes RG3 as a possibility either comment like you have some knowledge or move on.

        • renhoekk2 - Feb 14, 2016 at 4:33 PM

          So Kirk was playing the good teams by himself? Go back and look at what the running game and defense did in those games against NE, CAR and NYJ. In two of the games the defense gave up almost 500yds of offense. In all three the running game didn’t surpass 35yds for the game. Kirk’s performance was average in those games but he’s not why they lost any of them. When you can’t run the ball at all and your defense is a sieve, you become a very easy team to defend.

        • colorofmyskinz - Feb 14, 2016 at 5:22 PM

          Look at the teams Carolina beat… Ho hum

      • Thetruthis - Feb 14, 2016 at 4:09 PM

        Manning is not your average performance QB. He brings previous SB appearances to the table and Hall of Fame experience that helps make up for SOME sub excellent performance. How dare you put Kirk Cousins averageness and Peyton Mannings performance in the same breathe. You sound like an egghead. And the Broncos won because of their defense and Washington will never have that type of defense with Joe Berry. Or did yo forget Jay Gruden did not want Wade Phillips when he was available and they needed a DC. You can’t just say any average QB can win the SB. We already saw what happened to average Kirk when the Panthers played the skins. It was nothing pretty. Peyton knew how to play through pressure. Kirk does not at this time.

        • colorofmyskinz - Feb 14, 2016 at 5:23 PM

          His performance in this Super Bowl was not even as good as average.

  3. kenlinkins - Feb 14, 2016 at 10:20 AM

    Rich: IMO both the $25 and the $35 bets are non starters due to the low guaranteed money you have listed. Cousin can get $19 million guaranteed in 2016 by “allowing” himself to be tagged. How could $1 million or even $11 million more over the next 3 years be a selling point to Cousins? Any contract over 3 years should have more than 60% guaranteed, yours show less than 40%. I would place a $60 bet on a 5 year contract at $15 million per year with $45 million guaranteed (long term Deal) $10 bet on a 3 year deal at $18 million per year with $36 million guaranteed (short term deal) PLUS a $30 bet on him playing under the TAG in 2016. If the Redskins are that unsure about Cousins then go ahead and tag him, if they are Sold on Cousins give him the 5 year deal. The term is not key but the guaranteed money is to both player and team. I agree that the Redskins will not allow Cousins to walk but with the $19 million tag for one year and about $22 million for 2017 why would Cousins settle for such small guaranteed money that you have listed. Lower per year money with higher guaranteed money is the way to try and sign Cousins.

    • kenlinkins - Feb 14, 2016 at 10:39 AM

      Rich, could I be missing how Cousins feels about his year? I assumed that only the Redskins feelings are accounted for. If Cousins feels he played over his head or that the Redskins played a soft schedule and were luck to win the NFC East, he might be willing to bank the extra $11 million in real money while still making $80 million over 4 years if he plays out his contract or makes $40 million for playing 2 years and becomes a free agent again. Maybe $11 million is a number that would make Cousins jump to remove any contract concerns for the next few years as it turns into close to $20 million if he is on the Redskins roster in 2017, (correct)?

      • bangkokben - Feb 14, 2016 at 11:14 AM

        I think Cousins feelings should be taken into account but here is how i think they COULD be in this negotiation. First, here’s a guy who just made $600,000 but appears to live as someone who makes $40,000 (rents his home and buys Grandmother’s conversion van for wheels). This guy is getting “security” with the tag unlike someone like Andrew Luck where it’s just a bit more. Now, Cousins appears to be guaranteed at least $19 million for a year – which is plenty of money to live off for the rest of one’s life but also a major pay increase. Maybe Cousins thinks he played extremely well and that he could only get better – with or without a running game. If that is the case, Rich’s $15 bet on Cousins playing out the tag makes sense. Maybe Cousins is betting on himself – with house money – that he will indeed improve and therefore be worth much more next year. On the other hand if he loses, he still has security and is set for the rest of his life.

  4. Mr.moneylover - Feb 14, 2016 at 10:38 AM

    Like I said if they don’t lock up kirk cousins long term in two weeks or if we don’t hear at least they making progress then they must not on the same page…giving kirk cousins 21 mill on a franchise tag I don’t see scot m. Doing that…kirk cousins agent will have leverage in negotiations if they franchise tag him before working out a long term deal because then kirk cousins agent then can say we can hold off talk until next year then redskins will be just over paying kirk cousins for one year and our other position needs will have to wait until next off-season… Even Charlie casserly said franchise tagging kirk cousins is a mistake that’s why it’s so important to get a long term deal done because then if he regress next season and he’s on a average long term deal you can cut ties with him without taking a lot of money out of your salary cap… The team got to many needs to be over paying one guy

    • goback2rfk - Feb 14, 2016 at 10:49 AM

      Rg3 is on the books for 16 mil next season, talk about over paying?! When is that guy going to be released so he can get on with his NFL career? i wish the best for the all but forgotten once superstar out of Baylor and 2012 roty Rob Griff III. He will be doing some big things in the years to come.

      • Mr.moneylover - Feb 14, 2016 at 11:34 AM

        But rg3 contract wouldn’t effect what they wanna do in free agency but franchise tagging kirk cousins will definitely effect the free agent plan strategy 21 mill is way to much…the only reason why I think they haven’t cut rg3 yet is because they all probably not on the same page but then again Thursday the scouts for the draft came back to redskins park and I think they now already made a decision and I think they focus now is on the combine and draft…we just don’t know what they decision is

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 14, 2016 at 12:58 PM

          Just a thought but the idea of signing RG3 instead could result in Gruden to resign. While, I don’t care for our current coach, the impact of signing RG3 over Cousins could lead to more instability.

    • renhoekk2 - Feb 14, 2016 at 4:35 PM

      Overpaying ONE guy? Safe to say they aren’t getting their money’s worth from Garcon and Jackson either. Neither are worth $10M.yr. Any complaints about them? What should they do about them?

      • Mr.moneylover - Feb 14, 2016 at 5:06 PM

        Desean Jackson is worth that money…I thought p.garcon should’ve been cut last year because he wasnt a impact all year long when desean Jackson was making big plays…and from what I know scot m. Didn’t give them those contracts Bruce Allen did…I think they only like p.garcon cause his toughness but I said they can find somebody do the same things he does I think next year he should be a backup and desean Jackson should go back to the same spot he was in Philadelphia witch is bein the third WR off the bench

  5. goback2rfk - Feb 14, 2016 at 10:42 AM

    They need to tag Kirk and lets see what this guy can do versus a 1ST place schedule next season. Don’t get me wrong Kirk looked pretty darn decent last season but there is always a chance he catches Nick Foles Syndrome.
    If he plays well next season than pay the man and he would have really earned that multi year big contract.

    • hail74 - Feb 14, 2016 at 11:43 AM

      You do realize that first place schedule just means two different games.

      • goback2rfk - Feb 14, 2016 at 1:22 PM

        Just 2 games is 12.5% of the season with only 16 game schedule. Each game counts a lot. The schedule is not easy next season. Panthers again. This time at home.We will see if Kirk can build on the foundation he subplanted last season

      • Thetruthis - Feb 14, 2016 at 7:52 PM

        O.K. Take the skins this year record 9-7 and make that 7-9. Do you realize what it means to play the division winners instead of the division last place teams?

        • hail74 - Feb 14, 2016 at 8:24 PM

          Yeah it means we get Arizona, philly gets the Seahawks, Giants get the Rams and Dallas the 49ers. Whose to say that next year Seattle isn’t the best in that division again and that the Rams don’t finally put it all together? Freaking out about next year and calling the tough games sure bet loses is the final thought of someone with no argument. You have no basis and every year teams get better and worse. However you’ll have 7 months to spout this nonsense so feel free.

  6. ET - Feb 14, 2016 at 10:59 AM

    I think a four-year deal gets done in the $19-20 million range. Scot and Bruce know what they need to do and they know what the salary comps are. While I hope there are performance incentives built in, they won’t nickel and dime Cousins. Too important.

    • Mr.moneylover - Feb 14, 2016 at 11:44 AM

      Scot m. Like to set examples for other players he will not over pay a player… Its the same motto as Seattle seahawks…that’s why they been able to keep most of they players for the last couple of years… If kirk cousins get over paid then what happens when Chris baker become a free agent I think next off-season or happen to Jordan reed when he become a free agent…the last thing you want is other players clocking other players on your team contracts because then they gonna want big money too…Peyton Manning played horrible all year but if you have a good defense with good depth you can go really far…starting over at QB won’t be a big deal but over paying players can cost you problems in the future when your young studs become free agents

      • bangkokben - Feb 14, 2016 at 12:12 PM

        You, Mr.moneylover, don’t understand what overpaid means. Cousins getting a contract that puts him between 10th and 16th highest paid QB is market value and if anything a slight “over” payment but it takes into consideration the cap, its increase, and the percentage on the team. Baker is already paid top five for a nose tackle (what he was during the last contract) and Reed is clearly a top five TE. They will also get market value. You keep your team together by having guys like Breeland start on their rookie deals or exclusive rights free agents that also are starters like Compton. One day, they’ll have the problem of too much talent that gets paid market value but that day is DOWN the road. Now it’s either guys making market value or guys who are danger of getting cut.

        • Mr.moneylover - Feb 14, 2016 at 12:28 PM

          But Chris baker is not a NT tho he’s a DE…if you franchise tag kirk cousins 21 mill for one average season what kind of example you setting for other players when they contract is up… They gonna think having a average season is good enough to get big Money…aren’t you tired of the average play don’t you expect greatness from the redskins…Niles Paul had a breakout year last year and got rewarded for it but if you look at his contract its not that big…the packers just sign a DE who had a great year but his deal is 3 years 11 mill…you never want to give one player big dollars when there’s other positions on your team needs a upgrade

        • bangkokben - Feb 14, 2016 at 12:34 PM

          No one on the team thinks it’s an average season. They know the records he set and they don’t diminish their own accomplishments. Niles Paul is a tight end that got rewarded according to the market. The Redskins will have $45 million dollars, to sign a starting QB, a back up QB, a starting FS, a starting DL, a backup ILB, and the rest of draft picks. I just used 1/3 of that on the starting QB instead of tag.

      • ET - Feb 14, 2016 at 12:35 PM

        I have little doubt that players like Chris Baker and Jordan Reed will be well-paid as well. They’re all integral parts of the team. Scot and Bruce aren’t going to throw money around willy nilly, but they’ll try hard to keep some players happy. I believe Cousins, Baker and Reed are players that need to be kept. Pay ’em, pay ’em well.

      • Mr.moneylover - Feb 14, 2016 at 12:43 PM

        Of course the players don’t think it was a average season they not gonna come out and say that when they play on the same team but a couple players did feel like they let a couple games slip away because of jay gruden and kirk cousins…Ricky jean was one of the players that called out both…but kirk cousins deserve a long term average deal so the players around him can improve…he can’t take a average and carry them to the playoffs like rg3 2012 he needs guys around him to play great

        • bangkokben - Feb 14, 2016 at 12:51 PM

          There’s very little separating 2012 from 2015 except the style of 2012 but in the end it was good QB play combined with a positive turnover ratio. In the last ten seasons, both of those two criteria happened in only 2012 and 2015. In other words, ain’t just one guy.

        • Mr.moneylover - Feb 14, 2016 at 5:26 PM

          That O-line was bad and we had average WRs….josh Morgan was a bust but rg3 made him look good Santana moss was at the end of his career…rg3 had the most extended plays in 2012 because that O-line was bad soon when rg3 wanted to be a drop back QB everybody on that O-line but Trent Williams got exposed and that why all them gone but Trent Williams… So its more then just the style of play …rg3 had that 2012 team looking like a playoff contender once rg3 had that comeback victory against Tampa bay he took that team on a seven game winning streak… Rg3 now just need to learn he don’t have to do it all let your teammates carry you to the playoffs that’s the only thing stopping rg3 he use to carrying a team he did it in college and he did it his first year in the NFL…you can only blame mike shanahan for not putting better players around him so he wouldn’t had that type of mindset in his rookie year…there’s no way in hell kirk cousins would’ve carry that 2012 team that team wasn’t good

        • sidepull - Feb 15, 2016 at 6:56 AM

          Money Shanny put Alf around RG3 and that was a heck of a huge help to RG3 in 2012. There was a bunch of help in the way of draft picks that went to the Rams, and the salary cap debacle. You can blame Shanny but there was things going on in Bruce and Danny s arena that may not have been just Shanny. Just sayin.

  7. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Feb 14, 2016 at 11:37 AM

    “The Cowboys could be interested in Colt McCoy.” – Todd Archer, ESPN

    • Mr.moneylover - Feb 14, 2016 at 11:48 AM

      I can see that happening more so then rg3 going there…and who knows they probably got word from redskins that they probably not gonna release rg3 a lot of talk going on behind the seens right now…cowboys interested in colt McCoy because he’s another Texas guy

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 14, 2016 at 12:29 PM

        There are many reasons for RG3 not yet being released but resigning him I think is the far least likely of any. I still say RG3’s release is contingent to Cousins getting signed. Rich mentioned that March 1st is the last day to franchise a player so that may be the date to watch or shortly after that date.

    • rcjur - Feb 14, 2016 at 9:47 PM

      It’s possible a double whammy on the Skins. Colt backs up Romo in Dallas, RG III hooks up with Fisher in LA and have a QB RB tandem offense making good in LA while the Redskins come back to earth and suck in 2016 with high priced qb Kirk Cousins.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 14, 2016 at 10:06 PM

        Certainly the only scenario that would reflect worst on this organization than RG3 signing on the team it provided all those draft picks to select him would be if he then thrives playing on that team. The only mitigating factor we have in giving all those picks to the Rams for RG3 right now is that they have failed to make the most of those picks. What icing on the cake would it be for the Rams to get the very player that received so much to trade away and then to have RG3 ascend them to the playoffs and beyond. This scenario is not out of the realm of possibility.

  8. scottmccloughanfan - Feb 14, 2016 at 11:48 AM

    I’ll wait for the verdict.

    No money on anything.

  9. Nick M - Feb 14, 2016 at 11:50 AM

    Unbelievable that it seems this team is considering RGIII if Cousins is too expensive. Why else would they not have released him yet? Maybe it’s a smart business move to keep the negotiating pressure on KC’s agent, but it’s a little dirty, IMO.
    Equally unbelievable that some fans still think RGIII is the better option. That would be a disaster of epic proportions and set us back to square one.
    As poor as the defense and running game was this year, what Cousins accomplished was spectacular. Are there areas he needs to improve? As with every QB, of course there are. But he is a franchise QB, no doubt about it.
    I think they come to terms on a 4 year deal at 20 million per year average, with about 45 million guaranteed. With the huge increase in the salary cap, this is completely appropriate, and leaves plenty of cash to sign picks and a couple well-chosen free agents. It’s a high second-tier contract, which is commensurate with the caliber player he is.
    When his 4 year deal is up, he’ll be 31 and a top tier QB that we can lock up for the long-term with a 7 year deal.

    • rcjur - Feb 14, 2016 at 9:49 PM

      20mil a year 45 guaranteed. You MUST think Synder, GM and Allen are really stupid. Keep wishing.

  10. bangkokben - Feb 14, 2016 at 12:23 PM

    I’m putting all $100 of my chips on $17-$19 million with $40-$50 million guaranteed. Before everyone freaks out, it is a team friendly deal. It will be something like 4 year $72 million dollars with a $20 million signing bonus. The first year’s salary is also guaranteed and the second year salary is guaranteed for injury only. It’ll look something like:

    2016 $10,000,000 $5,000,000 $15,000,000
    2017 $12,000,000 $5,000,000 $17,000,000
    2018 $14,000,000 $5,000,000 $19,000,000
    2019 $16,000,000 $5,000,000 $21,000,000
    Year, Salary, Prorated Bonus, Cap Hit

    It may also have roster and workout bonuses as well as incentives.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 14, 2016 at 12:26 PM

      Those figures appear viable

    • goback2rfk - Feb 14, 2016 at 1:30 PM

      No Good. Cousins agent would take that deal and laugh. Kirk has all the power in this negotiation. Why would Cousins take 15 mil for 2016 when he can hold out and get tagged at 20 – 21 mil for 2016?
      Next season Cousins could play well and then be looking at a contract closer to what you are saying but something like 4 years 82.5 million dollars with a 25 million dollar signing bonus.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 14, 2016 at 2:18 PM

        You’re missing the whole picture. Cousins and his agent know there is also risk to reject any contract that falls under the 20 million dollar cap. If he performs poorly or struggles under the current franchise tag then his market value bottoms out the next season, and he may have no chance for another opportunity to sign long term big contract deal (15, 17, 19, 21)

        So Cousins could take the offer above give the team some cap relief, for example, and he still may struggle next year but he still has a long term contract in place with 17 million dollars the next season after collecting 15. Otherwise under the same scenario, the franchise tag leaves him back to square 1 looking for another long term deal that will NEVER come close to what he had the prior year. Also, the point of the injury deal for the second year gives him insurance in case he suffers a severe injury. Going just with the franchise tag would leave him with no insurance if he is severely injured.

      • hail74 - Feb 14, 2016 at 2:54 PM

        Your not factoring in the signing bonus. Under Bangs contract he’d be getting 35 mil in first year. Seems pretty realistic to me.

    • ajbus1 - Feb 14, 2016 at 3:25 PM

      That’s a very reasonable deal. I think the deal won’t be too far off of your prediction. I’m gonna stand by my prediction and put all 100 of my chips on Cousins getting tagged and then being signed to a deal like yours before July.

  11. rtcwon - Feb 14, 2016 at 12:24 PM

    $75 – tagged but LTD by July 15
    $25 – LTD before tag
    $0 – plays under tag or shorter, lower per deal

    I hate hedging and don’t see the team caving on a shorter deal to a team first guy. But getting his agent to give up another payday will take some time, hence July.

    • Mr.moneylover - Feb 14, 2016 at 12:35 PM

      Exactly scot m. Is all about team and the redskins organization… That’s why I don’t see him giving kirk cousins that 21 mill franchise tag when guys like mason foster need to get resign and other postions needs upgrade…

      • Mr.moneylover - Feb 14, 2016 at 12:46 PM

        I didn’t notice but there’s gonna be some good defensive players on the market this year…and some WR…let see what route the redskins go

      • rtcwon - Feb 14, 2016 at 12:51 PM

        You’re so backwards, the tag is leverage for the team, not the player.

        • Mr.moneylover - Feb 14, 2016 at 5:34 PM

          I think franchise tagging kirk cousins is leverage for kirk cousins because then kirk cousins agent can then say OK we can wait until after the season for a long term deal then if kirk cousins improve his stock goes up but if he don’t then redskins will be just paying a guy 21 mill for one year something he didn’t earn yet…21 mill is to much money

        • Rich Tandler - Feb 14, 2016 at 6:15 PM

          Well that’s fine then because the tag will come in at more like $19 million.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 14, 2016 at 5:43 PM

          Money, the Franchise Tag is leverage for the team since no other team can acquire the player and it’s also leverage for the team in that the salary is set at a fair market value instead of the amount the player and agent may prefer. The player and agent have no negotiating power and are forced to accept what the tag stipulates. The one leverage against the team is that it goes 100% against the cap.

          Think of it this way: If the team is willing to Franchise Tag him then it means forcing a deal that must be less than what the player and agent want to sign.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 14, 2016 at 5:50 PM

          I forgot to mention it also means no signing bonus which combined with the base salary is probably more than the current fair market value. Also I think teams can franchise tag twice on the same player. You assuming the player and agent is assuming the best case scenario where the player continues to perform better and reaps reward of an even higher market value the following years. However if the players performance diminishes or incurs a sever injury then he his market value could bottom out the following year.

        • rtcwon - Feb 14, 2016 at 6:16 PM

          You don’t need to keep pounding out paragraphs to tell us you feel 21 is too much. (Where did you come up with 21 instead of 19?) While you’ve barely tried to explain why you feel that way, I think we tend to align on his play. He is a second quartile QB. Your disconnect seems to be not knowing 18 to 20 is the going rate and the more years they can lock him up at the 2016 going rate the better.

          Also, no one would ever agree the tag gives any leverage to the player. Think about why teams only get one (two counting tran) and players hate the tag. No one in Kirk’s camp thinks his stock could go up, he’s not getting into the 23M+ top quartile. They want long term security now.

        • Rich Tandler - Feb 14, 2016 at 7:39 PM

          Just for the record, if a team uses the franchise tag it can’t use the transition. And vise versa, obviously.

  12. Tommy Jordan - Feb 14, 2016 at 12:50 PM

    McCloughan has shown a willingness to make things happen last off-season with Kerrigan and Williams. He will make something happen with Cousins

  13. 226thebeatdontstop - Feb 14, 2016 at 4:27 PM

    Who cares when Cousins signs, I know this he is not worth 18-20 million and I believe McCloughin knows that fact, McCloughin track record shows he does not believe in paying quarterbacks that type of money, it prevents the team from upgrading positions across the board.

    Don’t Pay Him!!

    • sidepull - Feb 15, 2016 at 7:28 AM

      Cousins makes a case for either the tag or getting him locked up. You could argue either way based on his unique set of circumstances, only one year as a starter and in some respects a bit of a gamble. There were some losses that could of maybe gone the other way based on QB play and smarts (the kneel down) , etc. On the other hand he had some outstanding performances this year, set some records, and we all saw that you dont need to be the best QB out there to win a Superbowl. He just needs to keep the chains moving, stay healthy like he did, stay out of trouble which I have no doubt he will, continue to work hard which appears to be in his DNA, and let Scot build around that.

      I think they pay him and worry about solidifying other positions afterwards. This town has been dealing with QB controversy for so long that now they need to make a move here to get past the mess. Pay the man. Move on to the next step. Let Sot, who has a decent eye for talent ,continue to try and provide this team with players that will restore them to the once respected and relevant team it once was.

  14. renhoekk2 - Feb 14, 2016 at 4:44 PM

    Cousins is going to get close to $20M/yr for 4-6yrs. He’s going to be the starting QB for at least the next few years. Haters better get used to that fact or go find some other team to follow.

    • goback2rfk - Feb 14, 2016 at 5:09 PM

      With the increase in cap he is not going to get close to 20 he should get slightly more. Something in the neighborhood of 4 years 87.5 mil.

    • Mr.moneylover - Feb 14, 2016 at 5:43 PM

      Its gonna be a flexible deal something redskins can hop out of…they refuse to get stuck with players… I forgot but contract with goals in his does take awhile…after pot roast visit redskins park his one year deal with a goals in it took about 3 weeks for him to sign imagine creating a long term deal with goals in it….its gonna be a long process for kirk cousins to sign…I still think they need to get this done within the next two weeks

    • Al - Feb 18, 2016 at 1:46 AM

      That’s exactly what I’m going to do. Get a new team to root for.

  15. Thetruthis - Feb 14, 2016 at 5:57 PM

    All of you rookie negotiators are a bunch of wusses !!!!!! I tend to negotiate more like a winner, like Donald Trump. And make no mistake about it, Kirk Cousins does not have the upper hand here unless the skins have somebody like you guys negotiating for them. With the bad previous work of Cousins and only a limited body of work and the fact that no other team is going to give him the same opportunity for big bucks, “Kirk is not out of the woods yet”. If he starts off against two top teams and lays an egg, another team other than the skins would bench him, quick-because he does have history that points to him being a turnover machine. But, in order to negotiate like the big boys you cannot be scared of loosing. The one who is not afraid of loosing wins in negotiations. I would say, Kirk, we will just offer YOUR STARTING SPOT TO COLT MCCOY AND we will give him the opportunity to earn the starting QB of the future job and the big bucks. WHO IN THEIR POSITIONS COULD ASK FOR MORE. Who says colt mccoy can’t play grudens limited offense anyway!!! The question that needs to be asked is “How does Colt play under pressure?”.. Colt McCoy was a Heisman runner up. Kirk, not so much. Everybody can move on from players because everybody eventually has to. Kirk Cousins in not like walking away from someone who has proven track record that they can win the big games like Tom Brady.

    • rtcwon - Feb 14, 2016 at 6:36 PM

      Um, Trump failed as a football owner because it is not a free market. You can’t afford to have a void on your roster while waiting for supply to catch up to demand.

      Nobody, anywhere is giving Colt a starting job. Kirk’s camp would laugh at that and get his 20M from Cleveland, Houston, Denver or LA.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 14, 2016 at 7:08 PM

        Yeah that negotiating power of Trump’s earned him $1 standing up to the NFL. That’s right wussies that’s how winners deal in contract negotiations. Screw the market and just low ball since what player doesn’t work for a team that negotiates as a hard a$$

        • Thetruthis - Feb 14, 2016 at 7:42 PM

          It’s not lowball. It’s just not scaredy cat money. Why are you people acting like the skins must have kirk cousins. Trump is a billionaire for a reason. You are not or you would not be so easy to give in to a crazy deal for an unproven talent. You need to read the Art of the Deal!!!! Trump had the courage to make the best run against a power house like the nfl and almost made it work. It just takes time and time was money. I’m telling you wusses. How are you going to look when you bet the farm on Kirk, can’t sign top surrounding players and kirk falters under pressure and the better teams. What if kirk turns into the turnover machine again? You guys are going to look really, really, stupid!!!! Even on Shark Tank, smart deal makers do not give up the bucks until the concept is proven. Not just because they had a little success. You only make the big money deal when the concept has been proven. They are willing to let possible good deals go because they have no intention of being the one to take the risk. To pay cousins big money before he proves he can beat good teams or play under pressure and win against good teams is just foolish. Not a Trump move, or a Shark Tank move. Just think about what I am saying if you want to learn how to be a smart deal maker.
          The Redskins, I said should tell kirk if he is not interested in continuing to prove he can beat the better teams, and he thinks he can get a better deal with a new team, then tell him to go ahead. And, that the skins will just give his starting job to Colt McCoy for next year. Who is going to give Kirk 15mil other than you fools??

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Feb 14, 2016 at 8:51 PM

          Trump sunk the USFL because he came to a gun fight against the NFL carrying a carrot stick (i.e. his brain). He did none of those USFL owners any favors. I’m not sure how he got his billions, but if there is a Devil that holds souls then he’s got one with Donald Trump’s name written all over it. The guy is a troglodyte with a bad hair do. Let’s end the subject on this trash since he litters the internet enough already.

          You are just completely off base about what you are talking about here. You think you can come here and act like some Yahoo offering up those bread crumbs take it or leave it suggestions. The fact is a 4 year 80+ plus million contract is not going brake the bank nor is it going to strap the team from making other big offers. You’ll come down to reality when the terms of the contract are complete. These contracts are normally mitigated by front loading the offer with less yearly money and back loading it with a voidable option. Give him a signing bonus to prorate any guaranteed money . If cousins bombs you can cut him loose after a season or two and only be the hook for the remaining signing bonus. Teams have been doing this for years now. While Cousins may get a contract that looks elite the details should reveal otherwise because Cousins hasn’t proven to garner the same guarantees as a Tom Brady or Russell Wilson for that matter.

          I’m not what anyone considers a strong supporter of Cousins but I know enough about these NFL deals to see holes in your Swiss Cheese approach. It’s ironic the one guy you bring up to support your approach is one of the biggest failures as a football owner. Because he didn’t just bring a team down he brought down a whole franchise.

        • Trey Gregory - Feb 16, 2016 at 1:03 AM

          OMG Truth you’re a moron. You read one book and you’re now an expert negotiator? Really? You’re envoking Donald Trump? Really? The punchline of America. You’re just one more idiot he suckered into giving him money. I’ve read books too. Even taken negotiation classes as a business minor. A lot more than just one book. That doesn’t make me an expert negotiator, just like reading one Trump book doesn’t make you an expert negotiator. You have to have a ton of leverage to negotiate the way you’re saying AND you have to have a legitimately good backup plan if the negotiation fails (called a BANTA in the business world). Colt McCoy is not a good backup plan. Washington’s only BANTA to a deal with Cousins is the franchise tag. So your idea is just bad man. You have no idea what you’re talking about and you don’t even realize it because you have no idea what you’re talking about. Wow.

        • Thetruthis - Feb 16, 2016 at 9:30 AM

          How do you know how many books I have read or my background for that matter. I have studied lots of the master negotiators. And you certainly would not be one of them. Who needs to study your view. It’s simple minded. Its fear based. It comes from a weak point of view. Principle number 1 ” There is nothing or no one you have to have” unless you have to have that person. The redskins want to continue the experiment with Kirk, but make no mistake about it, IT IS AN EXPERIMENT. Kirk does not know if he would get the same patience”to grow” with any other team in the NFL. Kirk knows he needs the skins to have that opportunity. Will you people please stop with the fairytale talk. The proof is in the 2nd and third year pudding.

        • Trey Gregory - Feb 16, 2016 at 10:47 AM

          Trust me, I know. Everybody here knows. It’s very obvious when people have no idea what they’re talking about. The grandstanding, calling people wusses, the terrible ideas. We know. Your brilliant plan was to trade Cousins for AJ McCarron even though Cinci would only have Cousins under contract for a week. I very clearly said that I wasn’t claiming to be a negotiating expert then you decided to tell me why I was wrong about me being a negotiation expert. And only people with a limited knowledge on a subject or have only read one book about it quote the same book and author all day then tell people that they HAVE to read it because it’s the only way. Because you’re unaware of all the other good information out there. That’s the definition of ignorance.

          Also, believe me when I say that whatever Trunp told you in that book was not meant to be applied to negotiating with Quarterbacks in the NFL not was it meant to be some magical way to get players to take half of the fair market value for their services.

        • Thetruthis - Feb 16, 2016 at 1:39 PM

          You called my comments moronic and imply a thesis or dissertation would prove something in this type of negotiation. You call me a moron for stating that it is too risky to pay Kirk Cousins more than Tom Brady at this time in Kirks Career. Really? And I am the moron? Go make your dumb deal and make statements like “I hope he keeps improving” statements about him. Nobody in their right mind would make that type of statement and then proceed to guarantee $80million dollars. I am not saying that Kirk absolutely won’t work out. But it is dumb to pay him anything resembling big bucks at this stage of his career. Gruden benched Kirk and snatched his uniform from him just last year for all of his turnovers!!!!! I state again, Donald Trump nor I would make such a risky investment. But, by all means, you go ahead and pay the bucks. Oh and Tom and Cam were in the game because they can throw under pressure my friend and they were under INTENSE pressure. Kirk just has not done well at all in this area. The skins lost to Green Bay in the playoffs because Kirk did not have a clue what to do under pressure. go back and watch the game like i did for the 5th time. I have studied Kirk and other QB’s and this is a red flag. But, since you are the one with the brains here, go ahead and risk it. If I pay any QB big bucks it will be because and only because they have already proved it and have passed the highest test level-like playing strong under pressure, beating winning teams, winning playoff games, and finally, the SB. That’s why the NFL came up with the rookie contract structure because rookie QB’s were getting crazy money based on name and college performance and many did not work out. That was a smart move for the NFL. The principle is the same. Don’t pay big long contracts to unproven talent. You know what I would do in this situation, and I know what you say. So, even if the skins do give up a big contract now, that will only prove whether they are smart or not. And the jury is definitely still out on that one. So far, they have not been very smart. I hope Scot McCloughan can help them out a little. If he gives Kirk a big deal, then the skins have no hope.

      • rcjur - Feb 14, 2016 at 9:56 PM

        Cleveland, Houston, Denver or LA will NEVER pay Kirk Cousins 20mil. I hope Skins sit back and let Cousins try get that 20mil. It will never happen but only stupidly with the Redskins.

        • Trey Gregory - Feb 16, 2016 at 10:50 AM

          You’re wrong. Except about Denver because I believe they will be paying their own “unproven” QB a big contract. But every single one of those other clubs would pay him fair market value, which is somewhere around 18-20 mil.

          I admit that 20 mil is a lot and if your point was that they would pay him closer to 16-18 then I apologize and can live with that.

    • goback2rfk - Feb 14, 2016 at 6:56 PM

      rG3! Rg3! RG3! rg3!

    • sidepull - Feb 15, 2016 at 7:38 AM

      I guess the QB controversy that was between Rg3 and Cuz appears to be most certainly coming to its finality now that Rg3 has his locker cleaned out and here we go again, now inserting McCoy into a competition for Cuz’s job. Seats not even cold.

      • Thetruthis - Feb 15, 2016 at 3:04 PM

        Was it not your coach-Gruden who said, there is always a competition for all jobs and that includes the QB position. That’s what he said his philosophy is. So, year, unless Gruden is some sort of liar and just said things so he could justify moving over RG3.

    • Thetruthis - Feb 15, 2016 at 3:15 PM

      It doesn’t even matter if Kirk or any other QB executed perfectly for an entire year. You do not guarantee that player big money with a long term contract after one half bad play and last half of year good play and bad play in playoff game. This is the NFL. And that would be too risky. What do you do if Kirk struggles and teams figure him out after all he is very very predictable. To be successful today a QB has to be able to play well under pressure. If you were an opposing team, how would you prepare to throw Kirk off his game? It is not difficult to figure out. That is my biggest concern with a long term fat deal. Im sorry skins but you fairy tale dreamers are not even considering the matchup component. How would you prepare for Cam? How would you prepare for Big Ben, How would you prepare for Kirk? I’m just saying.

  16. kokomike - Feb 14, 2016 at 7:00 PM

    You didn’t mention the non-exclusive tender. It is less than the one year/$19 million deal, and it allows Cousins to test the market. If some team wants to give us two #1 picks by signing him, take the picks. We can find a QB answer. You know, a game manager, for less. Or, match the offer. If he does not get an offer, then sign him to a longer term deal for less (actual market).

    • Rich Tandler - Feb 14, 2016 at 7:37 PM

      The non-exclusive tag is the only one in the conversation. They are not going to go with the exclusive tag.

      And if you don’t think that $17 million-plus is market value for game managing quarterbacks (I think KC is a notch better than that but that’s opinion) then you should Google “NFL quarterback salaries” and take a look.

      • kokomike - Feb 15, 2016 at 8:08 AM

        When I see $19+ million figures, I believe that is the exclusive tag. I think $16+ million is the non-exclusive tag number. We were going to give RG3 that number, so It makes sense to non-exclusive tag Cousins. If some other team wants to offer a multi-year deal Cousins wants, take the two first round picks. We can find a game manager for the $17 million you mentioned, and we get two extra first round picks.

        • Rich Tandler - Feb 15, 2016 at 10:56 AM

          No. Non-exclusive is about $19 million exclusive is closer to $25 million. They will go non exclusive if they have to tag.

          And, what, are you just going to pluck that $17 million game manager off of a tree?

      • fwhalstead1 - Feb 17, 2016 at 9:05 AM

        Well Rich just to play devils advocate you may already have a cheaper option on the roster in Colt. Look, this team is still a couple of years away from being consistently good enough to compete at the playoff level against good teams IMO. What’s to say that Scot evaluates the situation and determines that Kirk’s price is too high to match, he takes the picks as compensation when Kirk signs somewhere else, and keeps building the rest of the team until such time he needs a QB to take them to the next level, all the while letting Colt stand in. I mean as a GM he’d have to at least look at this, no? Colt has shown he can be as effective in the limited time he’s played. I absolutely love Kirk’s performance but I’d be leery paying him a huge salary based on a good 10 game stretch. Outside of that 10 game period no one would argue that Kirk was at or below average. As always I value your opinion!

    • Thetruthis - Feb 14, 2016 at 7:45 PM

      You will never get two #1 picks for Kirk Cousins from any team at this point. What is wrong with you people?

      • goback2rfk - Feb 14, 2016 at 8:29 PM

        I would want two #1 picks and a 2nd round pick for Cousins! The mans a gun slinger!

      • fwhalstead1 - Feb 17, 2016 at 8:56 AM

        Well by rule on the non-exclusive designation you would get 2 #1’s if another team signs him.

    • bangkokben - Feb 14, 2016 at 8:16 PM

      When is the last time ANY team signed another team’s franchise player and gave up two #1 picks? Cowboys and Joey Galloway? Has there been ANY team that stupid since then?

    • rcjur - Feb 14, 2016 at 9:57 PM

      Think this is the Redskins plans. They know there’s a high chance Cousins can come back next season and suck!

  17. Thetruthis - Feb 14, 2016 at 7:46 PM

    Who gives a QB $15Mil because they are really good at throwing 5 and 10 yard passes when NOT under pressure? Who?

    • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Feb 14, 2016 at 8:26 PM

      You people crack me up.

    • goback2rfk - Feb 14, 2016 at 8:28 PM

      He is not really good at throwing short passes he is the best! Highest completion rating in the NFL last season. Way to go Captain Kirk ‘franchise’ Cousins! The Spartan Legend and once 3rd string Redskins qb Kirk cousins.
      New Reports coming in that Cousins and the Redskins “no where even close to a new deal.” Looks like Cousins is holding out for the big money. Franchise tag coming soon.

      • James McFullan - Feb 14, 2016 at 8:32 PM

        Well last year, Trent Williams and the Redskins were “no where even close to a new deal” and the story the next day was the Redskins and Trent Williams have agreed to a 5 year 66 million dollar deal. So maybe history repeats itself.

        • hail74 - Feb 14, 2016 at 9:00 PM

          There’s no reports of anything and why would there be? Scot has not shown a propensity to negotiate in public and cousins seems like the low key type. I think goback is still just trying to be a rabble rouser, which is exactly what this place needs! Something to argue over!

        • hail74 - Feb 14, 2016 at 9:24 PM

          Looks like I owe you an apology goback, I won’t question your resources again, tho once I saw Jason la cantreporta’s name as the source, I didn’t fret.

    • hail74 - Feb 14, 2016 at 9:21 PM

      8th in yards per attempt, cam(mvp) 7th at a mere .08 higher, Brady 9th. Before you claim how he was the only qb to benefit from yac, he was 11th. 491 yds less than Brady, only 90 more than Wilson. Schedule? Cam had the easiest schedule vs pass defenses. So unless you think cam should turn in his mvp and that Brady is a fraud for relying on his TE to be his playmaker or that Wilson was just chucking it to Baldwin all game long you may want to reconsider that post.

  18. Barry clark - Feb 14, 2016 at 10:34 PM

    Kurt is not proven himself for that kind of money per season,I like him but he is not done anything as of yet.

    • sidepull - Feb 15, 2016 at 7:41 AM


  19. Hucklebeary - Feb 15, 2016 at 12:09 AM

    He is not a franchise QB. He is an average QB. If they pay him they will lose. Nothing against him just watch the games.

  20. Sceamey - Feb 15, 2016 at 12:19 AM

    Question to everyone in these comments, if KC was to hit the fa market what team would sign him and for how much taking into consideration that the Redskins could not trade him before last season. Just want to know what people think. If both qb’s hit the market witch one do you think would get signed first? Again just curious just want to know what everyone thinks.

  21. ranie - Feb 15, 2016 at 2:57 AM

    be crazy cousin dont sign and they get rid of RG that would definitely backfire on the Redskins

  22. Thetruthis - Feb 15, 2016 at 3:25 PM

    How do you people who want to pay Cousins big money this year with a long deal think the skins would fare against the Broncos offense with Kirk Cousins at the helm???? If your goal is to win playoff games and SB’s then Kirk is probably not your #1 guy. If you just want to rack up some passing yards over the year then Kirk iIS your guy.

    • Trey Gregory - Feb 16, 2016 at 12:52 AM

      So then I guess Can a newton (the league MVP) and Tom Brady aren’t that good because they didn’t fair so well against the Broncos D either. Brilliant argument.

      • Thetruthis - Feb 16, 2016 at 9:18 AM

        Trey Gregory- just because Cam and Tom lost one game to the Broncos does not mean that Kirk would have been on par with the two of them. After all, Kirk lost, badly against both of them! Remember how Kirk played against them? He was awful. Kirk does not play well under pressure. Period. And that is a problem. Cam and Tom played competitively under pressure. They both had a chance to win their games. And they played under a lot more pressure than Kirk saw this year. It’s called the playoffs, my friend. Do you actually think Kirk plays as well as Cam or Tom under pressure? You are entitled to your opinion just like the rest of us; however, it does not make you right. From a negotiation standpoint, I have done extensive study in negotiations. For you to say that I read one book when you do not know me puts me to be on guard with your statements. I am basing that on your ignorant and incorrect statements about me because I am certain I never had that discussion with you. Based on your logic presented, you are a WEAK negotiator and I stand by that fact. I hope the skins pay kirk as much as he wants so people like you can be happy. I hope they pay him so much that there is nothing on the table to pay and keep the talent around him happy. For you and people to want to pay Kirk big bucks and at the same time TALK ABOUT HOPING THAT HE “KEEPS” IMPROVING is what makes you a weak negotiator. If it is Tom Brady, you pay the man but what you are not going to hear about Tom is that YOU HOPE THAT HE KEEPS IMPROVING. If the fella needs to keep improving, then you pay him “keep improving money”. If he has proven that he can play against pressure and win big games, playoffs, SB’s, there is nothing else to prove-Pay the man.
        And please do not put Cam and Tom Brady in the same breath as Kirk. He has not done what they have both done yet. That’s when you look silly and weak!!!!

        • Trey Gregory - Feb 16, 2016 at 11:15 AM

          You asked how Cousins would do vs Denver’s do in an event that didn’t happen so I told you what actually happened when two of the NFL’s better QBs went against them. You know, using fact over hyperbole. Every QB doesn’t do well with pressure. That’s the point of pressure. That’s why edge rushers are so valuable. Obviously I didn’t say Cousins is at the same level as Cam or Brady yet, that was my point. That if even they would get shut down by that defense then of course Cousins would. As in, your rhetoric is bad.

          And Brady/Newton were in those games because Denver’s offense was awful. Not because they played decent. Cam played AWFUL in the super bowl. If you are saying Cousins played bad last season but Cam played well in the SB then you’re making your bias obvious. Also, Cousins didn’t play Brady or Cam. They were never on the field at the same time. So what on earth was your point there? Just FYI, yes, Carolina and NE both had very good defenses this year.

          And enough with this ridiculous negotiation conversation. It’s off topic and borderline moronic. Unless you can show me some sort of masters or doctoral thesis that you wrote on negotiating then you haven’t done extensive research on anything. You read some books, I’ve read some books, and we disagree. Enough said. Just stop acting like we’re all idiots because we don’t subscribe to Donald Trump’s life philosophy.

  23. Thetruthis - Feb 15, 2016 at 3:26 PM

    I meant to say how would the skins fare against the Broncos defense with Kirk at the helm?

  24. Julio - Feb 15, 2016 at 7:17 PM

    Keep rg3 if he wasn’t running for his life every time you snap the ball he would be one the best if not the best qb even if you start k.c. You can put him in the slot do some trick plays use both they’ll never stop it speed plus cannon=kills please keep RG3 this is his home

    • Thetruthis - Feb 16, 2016 at 9:21 AM

      It would have been sweet. But, RG3, If I were him, would NEVER ever ever want to play a down for the likes of Jay Gruden. Since they believe in Jay, RG3 will be best served if he goes. I don’t know how Colt McCoy even wants to play for Gruden. I mean the sneaky way he did him as well. Sorry, but a career in the NFL is too hard to come by to trust it to someone who is shady and untrustworthy.

  25. gymwizard - Feb 17, 2016 at 8:41 AM

    The problem with the Redskins starts at the head. Nothing exemplifies this more than their handling of Kirk Cousins. (Unless you want to weigh in with the RG me draft debacle.)
    This player shows promise, talent, loyalty, keeps getting better, has the team behind him, is a great role model, is durable, sells tickets…WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?!
    I have followed the Redskins for 50 years and this is enough to make me want to leave the ranks of those trying to ignore Redskin mismanagement and arrogance.
    If Mcgoughlin is anything near what his reputation is, he will put an end to this nonsense and continue to bring the Redskins back to their glory days – in spite of their ownership. Pay the man what he’s worth!!

    • Rich Tandler - Feb 17, 2016 at 12:49 PM

      OK, so what is he worth? Whatever his agent’s first offer is?

      It’s a negotiation. Archives

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