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Need to Know: The Redskins week that was—New coach, Cousins, RG3

Jan 23, 2016, 6:58 AM EDT

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Here is what you need to know on this Saturday, January 23, 32 days before the NFL Combine in Indianapolis.

A look at the Redskins week that was

Since there wasn’t a head coaching change like we had two years ago or a new general manager hired as happened in January of 2015 so here wasn’t much in the way of hard news out of Redskins Park this week That gave us a chance to explore some other topics surrounding the team as it goes forward into the offseason. Here are the five posts that are among those that drew the most interest this week.

Redskins will get no compensatory pick for RG3—The Redskins’ handling of Robert Griffin III almost from start to what seems to be the inevitable finish in a few weeks has been rife with mistakes. Among them was the decision to pick up his $16 million option for 2016. Not only did the option, which is guaranteed for injury, keep the Redskins from being able to either play or trade Griffin, it sets up a scenario where they won’t get even a late-round pick as compensation when he leaves. Click on the article for details but since the Redskins will be releasing him they won’t be eligible for a compensatory draft pick when he moves on.

Five possible Redskins free agent targets—Between now and the start of free agency on March 9 we will look at a several dozen free agents. Scot McCloughan is likely to sign no more than three or four. But interest in free agency is still high even though the Redskins aren’t likely to make any big splashes like bringing in Bears WR Alshon Jeffery or Chiefs safety Eric Berry. McCloughan’s minimalist approach is harder to figure out than the old Redskins approach but we’ll keep trying.

Redskins hire former player as a position coach—Greg Manusky just missed collecting two Super Bowl rings with the Redskins. He made the Redskins as an undrafted free agent in 1988, a year after they won Super Bowl XXII. He left Washington following the 1990 season, the year before the team won Super Bowl XXVI. Manusky, an aggressive middle linebacker and special teams demon as a player, started his coaching career in Washington in 2001 and now he returns to coach the outside linebackers under Joe Barry.

Should the Redskins be confident that Cousins can keep it up?—A look at the numbers shows that the big (at the time) contracts signed by the likes of Matt Cassel and Kevin Kolb do not necessarily serve as cautionary tales as the Redskins start to negotiate with Kirk Cousins. They did not have seasons nearly as good as Cousins’ 2015 before they got paid. Nick Foles 2013 is a different story; he apparently had a fluke big season. Plenty for the Redskins to figure out.

Redskins’ Scherff gets NFL rookie honors—The Pro Football Writers of America voted on their all-rookie team and Brandon Scherff, the Redskins’ top draft pick, make it as a guard. He missed just one snap all year long and gave up one sack. Also honored was former Maryland receiver Stephon Diggs, now with the Vikings.

Timeline

—The Redskins last played a game 13 days ago. It will be about 232 days until they play another one.

Days until: NFL Combine 33; NFL free agency starts 46; 2016 NFL draft 96

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  1. winskins - Jan 23, 2016 at 8:09 AM

    RG3 was the Danster’s boy from the gate. The $16 mill was the Danster saying, “Pick it up. I don’t care about the draft pick.”

    Thank God for McCloughan. Enough of this nonsense.

    • goback2rfk - Jan 23, 2016 at 9:03 AM

      Danny boy can’t go on without Rg3. Maybe they will forget about the salary cap and go ahead and pay Rg3 16 mil to be a backup. Possibly bring Rg3 into training camp to battle out with Cousins for the starting role.
      Redskins insiders have reported Rg3 has made big strides into becoming a better drop back passer. And is a maniac in the film room. The return of the once superstar out of Baylor Robert Griffin III is right around the corner.

      • John - Jan 23, 2016 at 9:12 AM

        Never going to happen. Cleveland, welcome your new QB, RG3. That is unless you draft a rookie QB. Then RG3 will start until injured or ride the pine.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 23, 2016 at 9:21 AM

          John, would you like to add more of your false propaganda about RG3? You know the stuff where you falsely claimed the team mostly ran a read option in 2012 or the litany of other inaccuracies and innuendos you like to put out there about him? That’s hate not criticism and you have demonstrated you hate towards this kid. Why?

          RG3 has handled his benching with nothing but class, provided this team a memorable 2012 season, earned rookie of the year, gave us probably the best Thanksgiving in Redskin history with that dominant performance, played until his knee was destroyed, and so one. The kid has done nothing but sacrifice for this team and this area. He was a very young man taking on a very challenging role as QB in the NFL. He’d loved nothing more but continue that performance of 2012. He worked his butt off to get ready for 2013. Then the front office mishaps and coaching collapsed soon follow what was already going to be a challenging year for a returning ROY with no OTA or TC to build off. Yet, here you are hating on him. Declaring he gets injured again as if you hope for it so you can continue to hate propaganda on him. What type of man actually does that?

        • goback2rfk - Jan 23, 2016 at 10:01 AM

          “If Griffin is ever going to turn his career around, Shanahan says, he needs to go to a team that will get him using his legs again.”

          Shanahan most certainly said Rg3 needs to run again.

          http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/09/mike-shanahan-rg3-and-snyder-dont-realize-the-work-it-takes-to-become-a-pocket-passer/

        • gasngo14 - Jan 23, 2016 at 10:24 AM

          Robert is gone, let it go already!

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 23, 2016 at 10:26 AM

          In reading this you are correct to an extent. Shanahan wanted him to continue the read option as part of his transition. However, read option doesn’t mean he has to run just present the threat of running. This also was not the long term plan for RG3 by Shanahan, The read option was the platform for his eventual development in becoming a pocket passer. So if you are implying that RG3 needs to have the ability to run until he develops his pocket passing then I’ll agree to that. If you are saying that RG3 will always have to use his legs to succeed in the NFL long term then I disagree.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 23, 2016 at 10:42 AM

          “Robert is gone, let it go already!”

          This is the delusion of so many like you. Every fan in support or against RG3 knows he won’t be on this team very much longer. It’s the hate propaganda from some pretty sorry fans like you that won’t let go. I’ve seen far too many times where RG3 was brought on with attacks without a single statement mentioning him. All that is needed is to provide some constructive criticism towards Cousins to get the RG3 trolling started.

        • gasngo14 - Jan 23, 2016 at 11:07 AM

          ” This is the delusion of so many like you. Every fan in support or against RG3 knows he won’t be on this team very much longer. It’s the hate propaganda from some pretty sorry fans like you that won’t let go. I’ve seen far too many times where RG3 was brought on with attacks without a single statement mentioning him. All that is needed is to provide some constructive criticism towards Cousins to get the RG3 trolling started.”

          delusion? hate?

          lol I simply said….. ” Robert is gone, let it go already!”

          It’s too bad YOU can’t let it go :))

        • brucefan1 - Jan 23, 2016 at 11:39 AM

          “lol I simply said….. ‘ Robert is gone, let it go already!'”

          I’d venture a guess that redskinsname is just considering the source, gassy!

          (And as has been said here many times before, this controversy is not going to be “let go already” for a long time, on either side of the issue.)

        • timwillhide - Jan 23, 2016 at 12:14 PM

          @redskinsnameisheretostay

          “RG3 worked primarily in either the pistol formation or shoot gun”

          John on thinks the Pistol and read option is the same like a lot of these people who hates on RG3. Total lack of football knowledge. The Pistol is actually a formation that is great for runners ng a multitude of plays with still giving the same look.

        • gasngo14 - Jan 23, 2016 at 1:01 PM

          “I’d venture a guess that redskinsname is just considering the source, gassy!”

          Brucey…..YEP! ASK jdhawk …AKA nameishere , was I not SPOT ON regarding Robert and Shanny! HA!

        • gasngo14 - Jan 23, 2016 at 9:32 PM

          JDHAWK aka nameishere…..

          ” This is the delusion of so many like you. Every fan in support or against RG3 knows he won’t be on this team very much longer. It’s the hate propaganda from some pretty sorry fans like you that won’t let go. I’ve seen far too many times where RG3 was brought on with attacks without a single statement mentioning him. All that is needed is to provide some constructive criticism towards Cousins to get the RG3 trolling started.”

          YOU are the biggest RG3 TROLL …just look at this article / comment section…..HA!

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 23, 2016 at 9:12 AM

        goback2rf, sometimes I don’t know what to believe from your comments. You clearly have a sarcastic tendency. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if RG3 becomes an elite Quarterback.

        • goback2rfk - Jan 23, 2016 at 9:22 AM

          I agree with Shanahan that Rg3 needs to use his legs again. If he is not that sprinter that we saw in 2012 than he is simply not that good. What made him special was his athletic ability. What made him special was that the defense had to put a spy on him. Once Rg3 stopped moving we saw a QB with fundamental problems.
          I think he will just be good again somewhere around 15th in the league. Never in the top10 but just a pretty decent QB.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 23, 2016 at 9:55 AM

          “Once Rg3 stopped moving we saw a QB with fundamental problems.”

          Shanahan has gone on the record in a report and stated RG3 just needs time to develop his pocket awareness. Honestly I don’t recall Shanahan stating RG3 needs to run to succeed. Nobody argues RG3 needs to improve working in the pocket. However unlike what many fickle, shallow, and hateful fans here think, this area in need of development is correctable. It’s true that his legs gave him one huge advantage. It was the THREAT of running that helped him in 2012 more than the running itself. However, the injury didn’t just impact his ability to run; it impacted his ability to properly plant and IMO mentally prepare himself in taking hits.

          He doesn’t need world class speed like Vick did to prevail. What was evident and undeniable about RG3 more than his legs was his arm. His accuracy and strength from that arm is more elite than his legs. The combination can be deadly. The biggest lack of development I saw in RG3 was reading through progressions. The one thing that a read option doesn’t teach you is how to scan the whole field to locate an open receiver. With a read option you already have one read which has to determine if you throw or run; then all you have left is one or maybe two reads downfield. So the transition from the Read to outright passing in the pocket takes time. In 2012, there was only a small amount of read option plays (less than 20%). That year RG3 worked primarily in either the pistol formation or shoot gun. Regardless of the pass formation, RG3 excels in a spread offense which is what he needs for now. This is the offense Shanahan was trying to provide him to allow him to further develop. The Shanahan’s had the right idea. The type of offense Gruden brought in was not one RG3 could come in and run successfully. He never had a chance and Gruden certainly wasn’t going to wait for him to develop into this offense since he had his own job to worry about.

        • brucefan1 - Jan 23, 2016 at 11:42 AM

          Redskinsname … carrying the banner like a CHAMP! Love it!

          Fight the good fight, my friend!!

      • tchrist777 - Jan 23, 2016 at 3:20 PM

        What? After they reported that he was a bad film room guy then said all the things to destroy him now they want to say what? All in an effort to get something for him. Nice play McClue. Let him go so he can be the man somewhere else. Crown Kirk, that is what you all wanted anyway

      • rcjur - Jan 25, 2016 at 4:08 PM

        Redskins organization really is not completely sold on Cousins, they have just been going with the flow but really I believe they were going to fire Gruden if he didn’t win the Tampa game. Luckily for him he did but Gruden won’t be lucky next year with a tougher schedule and his faith in Cousins doing it again. Well that won’t happen either and team probably end up at 5-11 in 2016. Gruden will be finally fired and most fans will be happy! I also would not put all the faith in Cousins getting a hugh contract and being the qb in 2016. GM and Synder should stand firm in contract offer for seeing him perform again next season before granting a multi year deal. 2 year deal at beal at yearly 12 mil or franchise for picks and tell him to get the hell out of town! Fair is fair and our record was only 9-7 on a weak schedule. Don’t be stupid Redskins and overpay a truely average NFL qb.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 23, 2016 at 9:06 AM

      Yeah and where were you sitting behind the close doors to hear all this?

      Sitting on your coach watching Soap Opera reporting from ESPN doesn’t count. The nonsense is buying into all the bogus reporting you read and hear about RG3 and the Owner.

      Rich is right about the handling of RG3, but hasn’t been poor management just for this year. He’s been poorly handled and mismanaged since the end of regular season 2012. Coaches and GMs share a significant part of the blame

      • John - Jan 23, 2016 at 9:34 AM

        You can kick and scream all you want but in the end, RG3 is outta here. 2012 was great, I won’t deny that but Robert never developed beyond that. He did the same things this preseason as last season and the season before. He ran the same offense as Kirk and had the same players to work with.

        From all reports, when he leaves here, he’ll be a backup. Darren Wolfson said as Mich on the drive. He said that if he landed in Dallas he would have to realize its Tony’s team and that Romo still got some years left in him.

        So in your opinion, he is cut loose, where does he go and where does he start?

        • John - Jan 23, 2016 at 9:41 AM

          John Clayton of ESPN has said as much and he said Jerry Jones was hot to trot for Manziel.

          Teams are going to have concerns about RG3 because of injury history with the knee (2 times) and concussions. The guy does not know how to protect himself and runs into defensive players like a pinball in a pinball machine.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 23, 2016 at 10:13 AM

          “You can kick and scream all you want but in the end, RG3 is outta here. 2012 was great, I won’t deny that but Robert never developed beyond that. ”

          I’ve long concluded RG3’s departure here and I drew that conclusion long ago as you continue to make disparaging remarks towards the kid. The development has no doubt been hampered but many fans who are not so consumed with hate or mindless sheep of the media see many reasons for that which were beyond his control. The management of RG3 by the organization has been nothing more than horrendous starting with his 2012 playoff injury and into this season.

          The best place for RG3 most likely will be a place where he won’t start immediately. I tend to agree with that. He needs a place where he continue to his development without media and fans making up stories about him, and taking his statements out of context. Honestly I’d like to see him in New England but I think the patriots already feel they have the backup they want to eventually replace Brady. Seattle is probably the next best place for him based on possible landing spots mentioned. I still think San Francisco is a possible spot because RG3 has far superior potential over Kap as the QB there. The best and least spoke about team for RG3 that I’ve been watching would be KC. Andy Reed may be the best coach for him to develop further under. I don’t want to see him in Cleveland or Dallas because those are not enviable places for a QB in need of development.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 23, 2016 at 10:16 AM

          “The guy does not know how to protect himself and runs into defensive players like a pinball in a pinball machine.”

          This only applies to when he scrambles. Outside of his poor decisions scrambling he actually does a good job protecting himself.

        • timwillhide - Jan 23, 2016 at 11:02 AM

          RG3 did not run the same Offense as Kirk. Gruden was calling mostly drop backs with throws down the field so defenders could tee off on him. Cousins was getting mostly Play action, bootlegs, short passes to protect him.

          RG3 was playing against 1st string players and Cousins was playing against 3rd string players.

          BIG DIFFERENCE

    • Thetruthis - Jan 23, 2016 at 2:25 PM

      There is a reason some people become billionaires and others not so much. It is always a sign that you are dumb when you call a billionaire dumb. So, step back fool! Where Danny went wrong was hiring the wrong coach for RG3. Gruden is a one horse pony with a one horse trick and make a thousand mistakes his first year. Danny should never have listened to Allen and hired an unproven coach who only knows how to coach one system. In walks the deceitful Gruden who talked one talk and walked a different walk. He said he could develop RG3. But his first years decision shows how dumb he really is. He did not hire a QB coach, he hired a young inexperienced OC, he kept in place a ineffective DC and somehow thought he could demand a superstar trust him because he said do this and that overnight. Grudens big mouth stirred up all kinds of problems. Changes had to be made the next year. Gruden gets off scot free for all the mistakes he made and blamed them all on RG3 because Gruden was in way over his head. Which we all saw. In walks Scot and tells Gruden to shut his BIG MOUTH and things instantly got better. Gruden then hires a DC who has never won anything. He does not care about making his owner look smart by adapting to RG3’s natural greatness, he tries to instantly retrofit RG3 into Grudens so called system. Well Gruden sees that Cousins already plays his style of football so he abandons his promise to everyone and decides to show how good his system is with a QB like Kirk. Gruden looked for all kinds of ways to get RG3 out of the way and without thinking he is making his owner look like he is not so smart. However, Kirk has strengths as do Colt, but Kirk has a glaring weakness of being horrible under pocket pressure, downfield inaccuracies issues, and decision making under pressure. Remember weaknesses are attacked in the NFL and Gruden and Kirk has plenty of them. Scot MCCloughan is smart because he does a lot of unbiased research. But, he does trust his HC to make certain decisions. And that will be his undoing in this situation because I assure you Jay Gruden is a fraud. The man did have even one undefeated season in the arena league and that is very telling. If any of the top coaches in the nil were coaching in the arena league. Trust me, they would have a lot of undefeated seasons!!!! Jay Gruden did not have a clue about how to fix the running game this year. That also is very telling. The blame is falling on the RB’s themselves! Jay singlehandledly has brought down the stock of a lot of his players who had excellent careers before he came. Instead he brings up the stock of a one dimensional QB who they could not even trade last year, Kirk. One he even snatched out of the game and took his uniform from him and did not even bat an eye. Jay Gruden is “thirsty” to prove himself and he does not care who he uses.

      • John - Jan 23, 2016 at 3:06 PM

        In that case, the JKC and Bobby Betherd should never have hired Joe Gibbs.

        Gibbs inherited the 1979 team, brought in Joe Washington to replace Riggins and drafted Tom Flick to replace Theisman. For 5 games, they put up great stats but were 0-5. Gibbs realized that would not work in the NFC and sought balance with Riggo running the ball. End of season they were 8-8 and next season won the Super Bowl.

        This team still lacks talent in many areas, especially on defense. 0 impact players on our defense, but I’m sure if we dumped Gruden and started RG3, they would be heading for the Super Bowl…LOL

      • tchrist777 - Jan 23, 2016 at 3:27 PM

        I couldn’t have said it better. Great, great observations that will show themselves shortly

  2. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Jan 23, 2016 at 8:22 AM

    Congrats to Brandon Scherff.
    ~

    • goback2rfk - Jan 23, 2016 at 8:59 AM

      He had a nice season and certainly a great one for a rookie. I thought he did OK just not spectacular. Next season will tell a lot.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 23, 2016 at 10:58 AM

      Preston Smith deserved a spot on there but in looking how they place the winners, they only provide 3 linebackers and 4 Defensive Linemen. As if the NFL only plays a 4-3. That’s pretty crappy way to select the best players on defense.

  3. warpath1 - Jan 23, 2016 at 8:32 AM

    what a strange no drama offseason start. I’m sure once RG3 is released someone will say something stupid, hope not. I would like to see scot finish beefing up the o-line so we can have a running game again. I believe that to be the problem and not morris losing a step. Love to keep him and jones and great run blocking. That would scare the crap out of the rest of NFC east.

    • John - Jan 23, 2016 at 9:08 AM

      The problems with the running gamehad llittle to do with the line. There were a variety of issues, most notably the backs. In the case of Morris, holes would be there and he would miss them completely or start one way to where the hole was, switch direction and then double back to the correct area. Totally indecisive not running with authority.

      In the case of Jones, he’s still learning after not playing much at Florida. He is quicker and runs with authority but needs patience in letting the line set blocks when he has lead blockers on sweeps. That and he needs to cut down the fumbles.

      In so far as the line is concerned, Leribus had his issues. Long was OKbut had problems with quick/smart inside backers. He wiffed against Lee and Keuchly. Williams, Moses and Scherff were fine.

      The tight ends had issues as well. Reed would put in effort but get holding calls. Carrier would do some good things but then either miss or block the wrong guy. Both being former basketball players have nice moves that help at receivers but need to work on blocking.

      The receivers provide effort but screw up blocking assignments out of bunch formations.

      They need 2 thing, a quality back and a big time center. That and a blocking tight end would be nice. Of course, if Garcon won’t take a cap friendly pay cut, they’ll need a receiver. Word on the street is that Garcon won’t

      • goback2rfk - Jan 23, 2016 at 9:32 AM

        Garcon is a great reciever but he is no beast. He is not a top 10 reciever or anything. He may not even be a top 20 reciever when you think about it. He is getting older and he is not exactly tall. If Garcon wont take a pay cut, release him, and keep Jackson.

        • rtcwon - Jan 23, 2016 at 3:24 PM

          If I was Garcon, I would not take a pay cut.

          If they decide they want to lower his cap number, he’ll get an extension. Same with DJax.

      • bangkokben - Jan 23, 2016 at 10:43 AM

        I don’t deny your specific analysis positionally BUT, this is nowhere close to accurate: “The problems with the running game had little to do with the line.” The line had their hand in the mess of a running game on just about every play. It was someone different every run. Guys would miss blocks (not just not sustain blocks, but actually miss their man entirely – Williams included), Morris would FINALLY churn out a ten yard run and Moses or another o-linemen would be called for holding turning a 1st down into 2nd and 20, The inability to get more than two yards on a 1st and ten run is PRIMARILY on the o-line. Sure, the tight ends and receivers had there hand in missed blocks and the backs didn’t make the guys in the backfield miss or break enough tackles or run to their correct marks but the o-line was so inconsistent I don’t blame the backs as much as you do. Take the safety against Dallas. That play was inevitable considering how often the right-side of the line was too slow off the snap. Maybe the center snapped it a split second early but “all-rookie” guard Brandon Scherff consistently absorbed contact first rather than initiate contact in run blocking. I’m not saying we need wholesale changes on the o-line. I would only replace LeRibeus and perhaps upgrade Lichtensteiger as well (the center position.) It’s a young line and they need time to gel. The state of college football doesn’t produce that same level or run blockers as it used to. It will take time. Hopefully the o-line will make the necessary strides in improvement, the team will get better blocking from the TEs and WRs, the backs will be uprgraded, and the Redskins re-establish a dominant running game. Until then, throw the snot out of the ball.

      • tchrist777 - Jan 23, 2016 at 4:24 PM

        you don’t change running styles over night. If you watched the games there was penetration on the snap most of the time. that stutter step was to avoid rushers who were in those hole you couldn’t have seen. He still got over 700 yards with almost 100 less carries.

        • John - Jan 26, 2016 at 8:36 AM

          Check Cooleys film breakdown of the Tampa game. Everyone picked up with double teams, etc., plenty of room with clear lanes and Alf looks totally lost.

          Same thing seen in breakdown of other games. Indecisive and at times loafing.

        • tchrist777 - Feb 2, 2016 at 11:31 AM

          Cooley breakdown doesn’t dismiss the fact of his ability to run. One breakdown doesn’t describe the run blocking for a whole game. That is why coaches breakdown the hole film. I watched games to and saw him trying to shack blockers who have leverage on lineman and who are in lanes making him try to give them a move to make them mis. I respect cooley but he is not a coach. Trade him and watch him do what he was doing the two years before. Gruen is a bust and all of you will see it soon.

  4. goback2rfk - Jan 23, 2016 at 8:58 AM

    Morris is slower than a 3 legged dog. Morris is a hold out from the rg3 era that benefited from Rob’s mobility. Once that zone read stuff was gone Morris stunk the place up. Morris and Rg3 should be released together as a symbolic gesture of 2012.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 23, 2016 at 10:52 AM

      Morris doesn’t need RG3 to run well. He needs a consistent zone blocking scheme to allow him to hit holes in angles instead of straight on running with the power blocking scheme. Morris would make a great compliment to Freeman out in Atlanta. You tend to miss on one big noticeable aspect with the running game. Gruden hasn’t ran a successful rushing attack even with some of the better running backs in the game. He couldn’t do it with Cincinnati which is why many wanted him out there and he hasn’t done it here. The running game was just fine until Gruden showed up running his scheme. If anything that’s viable correlation that provides an answer to Morris’s reduction in performance.

      • redskingeorge28 - Jan 23, 2016 at 11:32 AM

        IMO, all season it looked to me like Alfred was a step too slow in making his cuts and sometimes cutting right into the defense. Take a look at the play in the Green Bay game when we had to settle for the FG after D Jackson didn’t make it in, he cut left and right into the defense whereas if he’d cut right he had a good hole to get into the end zone

      • ajbus1 - Jan 23, 2016 at 1:19 PM

        If you’re gonna blame coaching you better lay some on Callahan. I hope he makes an impact next year.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 23, 2016 at 3:21 PM

          ajbus1, I’m not sure what happened to Callahan. I know they reported he would have some say in play calling but I’m not sure how much of that remained true after the season started. What I do know is the pattern on the decline in our rushing started in 2014 before he was a member of the coaching staff. With the exception of a few games in the beginning of the season, the rushing attack didn’t look much different than what we saw last season. Even with the youth that was incorporated with Morris this season, the only improvement out of it was a few more big runs and a upward swing in attempts. So Maybe Callahan was able to make some progress with his presence. Overall, the running game was better this season than last, but that team’s rushing was hovering close to historical lows for this franchise before it made some strides of improvement later in the season. The rushing offense has been just plain bad for two season now.

        • ajbus1 - Jan 23, 2016 at 11:27 PM

          Ya, I suppose it was never confirmed if Callahan was calling plays or anything but Gruden did say the running game would be mostly up to Callahan. And you’re right about the run game being bad for two years in a row. What do you think is the reasoning behind switching the scheme when Morris had success in the zone? That’s been something I’ve pondered for awhile.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 24, 2016 at 11:02 AM

          “What do you think is the reasoning behind switching the scheme when Morris had success in the zone? ”

          I think it was a perfect storm of three members added to the staff: I think it was Gruden who started the partial move to power blocking when he arrived but he stuck most with zone blocking during the season and I assume to be because of the linemen he had at the time. I could be wrong about this with Gruden but I I think a partial switch started in 2014. When Scot arrived, my understanding is that he had a preference for big physical linemen. Since he is in charge of player personnel, I expect that is going to sway the scheme to primarily power blocking. I could be wrong about this as well but that is my expectation. Then you add Callahan who actually likes to use both schemes but he also prefers the big physical version the “Hogs”. I expect the zone blocking will still be used but I also expect power blocking will be the dominating scheme here.

          Some still thought Morris could thrive in a power blocking scheme. That may still be the case since he is still getting acclimated. I just don’t think he has the straight on speed or burst to succeed with power blocking. Shanahan always called him the ideal cut back runner. So he most likely needs zone blocking to perform at his best.

      • rtcwon - Jan 23, 2016 at 3:35 PM

        The running game last year under Gruden was adequate. I could argue successful when you factor they almost never had a lead, experienced piss-poor QB play and had Chester & Polumbus/Compton on the right side.

        Despite a significant talent upgrade on the right, even greater improvement in QB play and actually having leads, the running game actually got worse. So to me, the viable correlation that provides an answer is Callahan takes all the blame.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 23, 2016 at 3:53 PM

          This is a viable correlation

          Cincy with Gruden
          2011 Rushing Rank 19th
          2012 Rushing Rank 18th
          2013 Rushing Rank 18th

          Cincy Post Gruden
          2014 Rushing Rank 6th
          2015 Rushing Rank 13th

          Skins Before Gruden
          2012 Rushing Rank 1st
          2013 Rushing Rank 5th

          Skins with Gruden
          2014 Rushing Rank 19th
          2015 Rushing Rank 20th

        • rtcwon - Jan 23, 2016 at 4:21 PM

          The Skins rankings are accurate and I assume the Cincy ones to be as well but I don’t care what happened in Cincy.

          Your bias against Gruden caused you to miss my points about OL talent, QB play & game situation. All reason’s why a run game with the same scheme should have got better, not worse.

          I didn’t even get into zone versus power scheme, which is how I explain the drop from ’13 to ’14 and my gripe with Gruden.

        • John - Jan 23, 2016 at 4:43 PM

          Last year they ran zone. This year with Callahan designing much of the power run game the production went down. But then Morris has been in decline since the end of 2012. Being Morris is a one dimensional back (not a eeceiver or locker on pass plays) teams know what’s coming.

        • rtcwon - Jan 23, 2016 at 4:58 PM

          Not true. Last year they ran mostly zone plays but mixed in some power plays, especially in short yardage. They struggled with both outside zone and power but were serviceable with inside zone.

          This year Callahan had 100% control of the run game and all other factors indicated they should have improved but still got worse. If you want to blame Gruden, you can for either hiring Callahan or for allowing a complete conversion to power rather than continuing his prudent partial transition from the year before.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 23, 2016 at 5:07 PM

          “bout OL talent, QB play & game situation. All reason’s why a run game with the same scheme should have got better, not worse.”

          It’s not about the team but that pattern is undeniable. You can’t refute that so instead you try to brush it aside. Now that, my friend, is bias thinking.

          I can dissect your flaws in the other statements as well. While the offense line talent improved it wasn’t a improvement in run blocking. It was actually worst in some areas statistically (dropping from 19th to 20th overall rushing average per game). The only difference is Gruden’s offense ran even less in 2014 which is the only clear indication of how often they played behind. Chris Chester started all 16 games for Atlanta this season. So for a guy you claim responsible for the poor performance running the ball he sure manage to find another team to start on. The offensive line does have more talent and I expect huge improvements going forward . However, they were the stalwart group this season in run blocking.

          The “piss-poor” QB play is indicative of how poorly prepared those QBs were for games. All three had chances to start and all three, I think, ended up statistically having their worst seasons. So when you have a group of QBs struggling under one offense how can you NOT look at the guys coaching it?

          “I didn’t even get into zone versus power scheme, which is how I explain the drop from ’13 to ’14 and my gripe with Gruden.”

          Oh please proceed since I’m very much looking for an interesting analysis here on the team that is backed by sound logic.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 23, 2016 at 5:11 PM

          “This year Callahan had 100% control of the run game”:

          Wake up! While he had more talent on offense he also had two first time starters on the right side. One a Rookie and the other was a 2nd year player. Callahan is proven and very good at his job. However he doesn’t work miracles. So if you want to run off about the talent on offense at least acknowledge the lack of experience and also the fact that lost Shawn Lauvao WHO by the way Callahan had playing the best he has in his career before the injury.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 23, 2016 at 5:15 PM

          “his year Callahan had 100% control of the run game”
          Callahan is in charge of the Offensive Line not the run game itself. That’s the OC and Coach that is 100% in charge of the running game.

        • rtcwon - Jan 23, 2016 at 9:01 PM

          We all see the pattern. I just don’t consider stats from Cincy relevant. Your obsession with them when he was hired for his passing scheme & knowledge of the QB position is the bias.

          I’m not giving the coaches a pass on the QB play last year. That is not the topic. I’m just citing reasons the run game should have improved not got worse.

          Unless, you are trying to say Chester was better than Scherff or winning more doesn’t make it easier to run or better QB play doesn’t make it easier to run, you are agreeing with me. OL talent improved but their play on the field did not. They ran more this year but their results were worse.

          Four significant reasons why the run game should have got better. You got one, inexperience, to explain why it got worse. Callahan didn’t prove anything other than he’s only a position coach at Nebraska & Oakland and he got most of his rep for what he did with rookies in Dallas. The explanation for Lauvao’s play is scheme.

          For a Gruden hater, you missed his biggest controversy not involving RGIII. Gruden’s statement that Callahan was 100% in charge of the run game confused some to believe Callahan was calling plays or that Kirk had three voices in his headset. Remember that? (Turns out, Jay chose run or pass then McVay called the play into Kirk, either from his sheet of pass plays or Callahan’s sheet of run plays.)

          My opinions on zone versus power are similar to 3-4 versus 4-3. The rules favor passing and today’s game is won by passing and stopping the pass. Therefor 3-4 and zone should be the preferred schemes.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 23, 2016 at 9:55 PM

          “We all see the pattern. I just don’t consider stats from Cincy relevant. Your obsession with them when he was hired for his passing scheme & knowledge of the QB position is the bias.”

          It is absolutely relevant when almost same overall performance with the rushing attack is carried over from his previous team. Statistics don’t have bias and obviously there has been little change with those numbers over a period of 5 years. If you were really astute in seeing patterns then you’d also see that Gruden left one team where afterwards those rushing numbers improved while he joins another and takes a top ten rushing attack down to similar sub-par mediocrity from where he came. That’s relevant! Your retort about bias and obsession is nothing but hyperbole BS because you don’t have a valid response to it.

          “Unless, you are trying to say Chester was better than Scherff or winning more doesn’t make it easier to run or better QB play doesn’t make it easier to run, you are agreeing with me. OL talent improved but their play on the field did not. They ran more this year but their results were worse.”
          Did Chester perform better than a rookie Scherff ? Yes and mostly due to Chester’s experience. That advantage in performance won’t last because Schreff has tremendous upside and should develop into an elite guard.

          By the numbers: Pro Football Focus has liked Chester’s work in two of the last three years. He was particularly good in 2012, when his 13.4 overall grade ranked 15th among qualifying guards. In 2014, he earned positive marks in 11 of 16 matchups.

          The running game still depends on a running strategy which was a poorly predictable scheme in most games both in 2014 and 2015. The running game was NEVER adequate. It has been sub-par since Gruden arrived. Putting the blame on Callahan is hasty assumption. Callahan had to prepare two very young linemen as starters on the right side. I think considering the lack of experience that it was a great success to his credit. Callahan also helped Shawn Lauvao perform to the level of a potential pro bowl tackle which was something I don’t think any fan or pundit expected. It’s a shame he suffered a season ending injury.

          So there is an abundance of upside on the line and a young promising backfield to look forward to next season. Saying Gruden was hired as a HC for just his passing scheme and QB developing acumen isn’t going to cut it. The team needs a balanced offensive scheme and Gruden has been provided all the help needed to make that possible next season. He is the head coach so there is no excuse for bailing him out and placing 100% of the blame on a position coach.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 23, 2016 at 10:00 PM

          “Therefor 3-4 and zone should be the preferred schemes.”
          Zone blocking is strictly a run blocking scheme. It has nothing to do with pass blocking. Also 3-4 is easily argued to be better designed for stopping the run. The 4-3 is normally the preferred defense for stopping the pass.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 23, 2016 at 10:23 PM

          “My opinions on zone versus power are similar to 3-4 versus 4-3. The rules favor passing and today’s game is won by passing and stopping the pass. Therefor 3-4 and zone should be the preferred schemes.’

          Look I’m not just going to respond by it appearing like I arguing with you for the sake of arguing. However, if you imply that the rules favor passing today and that’s how games are won then you have the choice of defense may be backwards. I have a link that supports this.The key argument is that in a 4-3 alignment it’s easier to switch over by adding more DBs keeping the 4 down linemen and moving out one of the LBs. The 3-4 came into the NFL in response to an issue stopping the run not the pass.

          “The 4-3 defense was the main formation in the NFL throughout the 1950’s and 1960’s. But a new breed of running back inspired another switch. In the early 1970’s, defenses tied themselves into knots trying to chase down O.J. Simpson and his generation of fast, powerful runners. Defensive linemen at the time were too slow for the job. Defensive coordinators decided that the solution was to put another linebacker on the field. The University of Oklahoma had long used a five-man defensive line on which the two ends were smaller, quicker players who would sometimes take a step or two off the line or drop into coverage. The ends were essentially extra linebackers, so pro teams modified the scheme. Thus, the 3-4 was born.”

          http://www.footballoutsiders.com/strategy-minicamps/2005/4-3-vs-3-4

          Sometime personnel determines which scheme to use and at time both are equally effective in stopping the pass. However, if all players are equal any coach will tell you that a 4-3 has a better advantage defending the pass than a 3-4.

        • rtcwon - Jan 23, 2016 at 11:09 PM

          I admit my “Callahan is over rated and destroyed the run game” bias, you admit your “Gruden will fail because of his third quartile rushing rankings and predictable play calling” bias and we can agree there is an abundance of upside on the line and a young promising backfield to look forward to next season.

        • rtcwon - Jan 23, 2016 at 11:32 PM

          That is laughable.

          Regardless the origin, the basic premise of the 3-4 is to get more linebackers on the field. Today, they best do the two things to stop passing, get sacks and create turnovers. Where as the extra lineman in a 4-3 allows only one double team or next level blocker, making running more difficult.

          3-4 converts to 4-2 nickle by removing a DL and keeping all four linebackers on the field. The 4-3 you describe keeps 4 big lugs on the field and removes a play making LB. Actual NFL 4-3s sub one of their DTs for a pass rush LB and the run stuff LB for DB.

          I thought maybe the game had passed you by but now I’m not sure you ever had it.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 24, 2016 at 10:43 AM

          “3-4 converts to 4-2 nickle by removing a DL and keeping all four linebackers on the field. The 4-3 you describe keeps 4 big lugs on the field and removes a play making LB. Actual NFL 4-3s sub one of their DTs for a pass rush LB and the run stuff LB for DB.”

          Wow you talk about zone blocking as if it has something to do with the passing game. You then don’t know the history or premise behind 3-4 and 4-3 alignments. I assume the article went way over your head. Now you want to say I NEVER had it with football? You look like a complete dope right now trying to talk the game when you clearly are out of your element.

          Your explanation above is a clear indication you never played football or at least organized football. The 4 big lugs you are talking about are responsible for pass rush NOT coverage. Taking a “play making” LB as you called normally means adding a faster DB better apt for coverage.

          What’s laughable is you trying to talk the game when you can’t get even the basic understandings of zone blocking right. That’s was the red flag of a clueless fan who spent time watching the game but never took the time to understand it.

        • rtcwon - Jan 24, 2016 at 2:11 PM

          I left out how I feel the zone run scheme helps the passing game more than a power scheme because I was trying to end this repeated banging of my head into the wall.

          I was trying to let you save face. But since you insist:

          I prefer the zone run scheme because it forces the DL to run on every attempt, tiring them out quicker which diminishes their pass rush. I also feel it makes play action more effective, defenders have to move laterally before reading pass, thus making the distance to the QB or their zone further. Whereas a power scheme is designed to wear down a defense with lots of rushing attempts, which to me, takes opportunities away from the passing game. It is a preference, there are no right and wrong answers, which is why you see both schemes.

          Notice I also didn’t clown you for citing a soccer site’s grades of NFL OL or the ten year old link with its grade school level explanation and anecdote that may or may not explain the origin of the 3-4. Who cares about the origin? The game evolves and you seem stuck in the ’70s. Both me and the dated article say the premise of the 3-4 is to get more LBs on the field.

          Find one person, anywhere, that agrees with you that the 4-3 is better against the pass or that the 3-4 is better against the run. And you still seem confused on nickle, are you seriously trying to say the front 4 DL from a 4-3 base provides a better pass rush than the 2 DL & 2 OLBs from a 3-4 base? Did you miss where I said no team is dumb enough to try to rush their front 4 DL in passing situations (the nickle you describe) and subs a pass rush LB for one of their DTs? Why are you even mentioning DBs when nickle means 5 DBs?

          I can explain why Lauvao wasn’t good in zone or even last year’s power scheme (we don’t know if it was Jay’s or Sean’s or collaborative) but very good in this year’s power scheme (we do know it was 100% Callahan’s) or why Chester is still a decent zone run blocker but gets destroyed when asked to pass block one on one. But that is not the topic.

          I gave four reasons why the running game should have improved. They ran more, they won more, the QB played better and the right side of the OL was upgraded. Yet they ran worse than 2014.

          I credit Gruden for recognizing 2014 didn’t cut it, especially the power plays they tried, (and not throwing Sean under the bus if they were his plays) and bringing in Callahan. I blame Callahan for the results from 2015 being worse than 2014 despite the four reasons above they should have improved. You blame Gruden because his rushing ranks have always been in the third quartile. Let’s agree to disagree and move on.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 24, 2016 at 2:51 PM

          “I left out how I feel the zone run scheme helps the passing game more than a power scheme because I was trying to end this repeated banging of my head into the wall.”

          LOL! The banging of your head must have cost you your common sense. Obviously you have no real knowledge of the game when you started this but continue on in dire futility with this sort of back tracking. Neither run blocking scheme does anything for aiding a passing game. You can run a spread, west coast, or Air Coryell’s offense with not added advantage in using either the zone or power blocking scheme.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 24, 2016 at 3:26 PM

          “Both me and the dated article say the premise of the 3-4 is to get more LBs on the field.”

          So what does that prove? The 3-4 introduces the Jack which is a hybrid of a DE/LB. I knew this back in High School. The generic explanation between the two defense is where the pressure is applied. Typically in a 3-4 it comes from the linebackers and in 4-3 it comes from the front line. A simple addition of 3 + 4 tells you 7 as in the front seven that excludes the coverage. Regardless, It is obvious you take offense to and refuse accept is the fact the 3-4 was brought into the NFL for the purpose of being more effective in stopping speedier, more nimble, and faster rushing attacks. It’s plain and simple that a 3-4 gives a defense the speed in response to stopping the faster running backs. A two TE set; a 3 – 4 may help in coverage but for the most part it doesn’t. However, It gives you no advantage in being able to cover a 4th WR or slot WR. It gives you NOTHING in that regard.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 24, 2016 at 3:39 PM

          “are you seriously trying to say the front 4 DL from a 4-3 base provides a better pass rush than the 2 DL & 2 OLBs from a 3-4 base?”

          It depends on the personnel! In many cases the 4-3 results in more pressures and sacks over the 3-4. Sometimes the 3-4 gets you more pressure and sacks. Typically the scheme that best fits the talent and players a team has is the one that gets you the best pressure. Do you think the Eagles of the 80s led by Reggie Jackson and Jerome Brown would have applied more pressure running a 3-4 instead of a 4-3? Do you think the Giants of the 80s led by Lawrence Taylor and Carl Banks would have applied more pressure in a 4-3 instead of a 3-4? Your question is pointless when it about what scheme applies pressure.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 24, 2016 at 4:29 PM

          “Did you miss where I said no team is dumb enough to try to rush their front 4 DL in passing situations (the nickle you describe) and subs a pass rush LB for one of their DTs? Why are you even mentioning DBs when nickle means 5 DBs?”

          First, mentioning DBs is the real key in defending against what you deem NFL rules that favor the passing game. You keep assuming that 3-4 defense always provide more pressure than 4-3 defenses when that is not the always the case. The personnel is the key to which would be more effective NOT the scheme itself.

          So you think it’s dumb to rush front 4 DL in passing situations. What do you think 4-2-5 nickel package does?

          Going back to this original statement…
          “My opinions on zone versus power are similar to 3-4 versus 4-3. The rules favor passing and today’s game is won by passing and stopping the pass. Therefor 3-4 and zone should be the preferred schemes.”

          None of the back tracking you’ve tried since changes how simply errant you are in understanding how to scheme against a more pass oriented NFL

          The best and only real advantage you had for a 3-4 over 4-3 in passing situations is more flexibility in disguising both the pass rush and coverage. You never mentioned this key advantage but that doesn’t surprise me!

        • rtcwon - Jan 24, 2016 at 6:39 PM

          Dude, just stop. I’ve back tracked nothing, tried to reign in your off topic tangents (latest one of do you scheme to match personnel or get personnel to match scheme) and even given you outs to save face. But you keep coming back?

          The original topic was why did the run game get worse? I stated four variables that all improved, leaving Callahan as the culprit. You give Callahan a pass due to the inexperience of the OL, to which I countered Callahan got his rep for what he did with inexperienced guys in Dallas. You point the finger at Gruden despite him delegating the run game to Callahan, to which I said you can only fault Gruden for delegating to the wrong guy.

          Along the way, you tried to correct my statement that the 3-4 base is better against the pass while the 4-3 base is better against the run by absurdly saying it is the other way around. Removing your confusing about personnel and alignment, please find anyone that agrees a 4-3 base is better against the pass or don’t respond.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 24, 2016 at 7:19 PM

          The only reason to stop responding is because you are clueless about what you are talking about. The tangent started with your corny comment about preference of zone over power blocking due to rules favoring passing . This was in the cusp of a different discussion.

          You made your best yet backwards explanation with this statement below…
          “3-4 converts to 4-2 nickle by removing a DL and keeping all four linebackers on the field.”
          This is another ludicrous comment of yours since a 4-2 nickel is actually a 4-2-5 formation that consist of 4 DL, 2 LBs, and 5 DBs.

          I’ll let continue on and wallow in your ignorance since the time spent correcting your misconceptions has made this discussion futile.

        • rtcwon - Jan 24, 2016 at 7:44 PM

          Do you really want to end with “a 4-2 nickel is actually a 4-2-5 formation that consist of 4 DL, 2 LBs, and 5 DBs?”

          Using ‘Skins players should help the light come on for you. Their typical 4-2-5 consists of Kerrigan, Baker, Hatcher, & Smith on the line, Comp & Foster backing and 5 DBs. That sure looks like 2DL, 4LB & 5DB to me.

          I haven’t called you any names but now you need to reply to save yourself from the most ignorant post ever.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 25, 2016 at 9:52 AM

          “Using ‘Skins players should help the light come on for you. Their typical 4-2-5 consists of Kerrigan, Baker, Hatcher, & Smith on the line, Comp & Foster backing and 5 DBs. That sure looks like 2DL, 4LB & 5DB to me.”

          It doesn’t matter if a guy is normally considered to be “titled” as a OLB (kerrigan & Smith). If he is playing 4-2-5 then both are a down linemen that are now defensive ends or defensive tackles. He is no longer playing the role of a linebacker. It’s pretty obvious that a 4-2-5 formation is a defensive scheme with elements of a 4-3, but the scheme using one less linebacker. So the names on the jersey don’t mean anything. They are in effect Defensive Ends/Tackles at that moment. And if the Redskins switched to an actual 4-3 then both Kerrigan and Smith would primarily be “titled” Defensive Ends. Just like a move from 3-4 to 4-3; the same premise applies when the nickel is in a 4-2-5 formation.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 25, 2016 at 10:17 AM

          ‘That sure looks like 2DL, 4LB & 5DB to me.”

          LOL, if that is the actual positions on the field then coaches would call that a 2-4-5 nickel defense just like 3DL, 3LBs, 5DBs (an element of the 3-4) are referred to as the 3-3-5 nickel. The terminology coaches create is not rocket science. I’ll assure you that if you mention the “4-2” nickel to any knowledgeable coach then they’ll expect you are discussion 4 defensive linemen (i.e. 4 down linemen consisting of two defensive tackles and two defensive ends). If Knighton is aligned 15 yards back in a cover one behind Breeland. Is Knighton still a NT at that moment or is he now a FS?

      • John - Jan 26, 2016 at 8:39 AM

        He stunk in power and zone/stretch type plays. Totally indecisive this year.

  5. kenlinkins - Jan 23, 2016 at 1:21 PM

    Rich, please check my math on this. If McCoy signs some where other then Washington, The Redskins Tag Cousins, and then signed RG3 to a 2 years $10 million contract ($1.5 million signing bonus, $2..5 million for 2016 and $6 million for 2017 with $4 million guaranteed) and use a later round pick for a QB to try and develop, the Redskins would have a QB Cap number at about $23 million for 2016 (with only $500K in dead money, and it could be lower if Cousins is signed long term). I understand the Up Side but what I am not clear on is what the team might consider as concerns. IMO right now only the Redskins really know where RG3 is at in his development and what he might look like playing behind a improved O-Line,with a health Reed, a power RB, and what should be a improved Defense & Special team unit. The Redskins would then have the option to trade him in the preseason if there is a team interested or if they lose interest. Has RG3’s development been so bad, his drama so great, his relationships so torn up with team officials/ coach’s / team mates, and his lack of film study so lacking that the Redskins would not even try to sign him (a Yes or No answer if fine here)? And if the Redskins make no offer at all, was the door closed on RG3 being a Redskins back in Sept 2015 or more about where he is in his development as of March 2016?

    • gasngo14 - Jan 23, 2016 at 2:05 PM

      Ken

      Rob left his little note in his locker was evidence he will not sign with this team :)

      • kenlinkins - Jan 23, 2016 at 6:21 PM

        I agree that the note was a bad move on RG3’s part but did it totally burn the bridge with the Redskins? Wouldn’t it be a “Win / Win” PR move if the Redskins offered him a deal to stay? (i.e. allow RG3 to be the one that says it will be a cold day in hell before I ever play for the Redskins again).

      • skinsgame - Jan 23, 2016 at 11:00 PM

        Yes, Bobby could have burned a bridge with that nonsense. Burn it anyway.

    • Thetruthis - Jan 23, 2016 at 2:40 PM

      What you say would be plausible if Jay Gruden were not the head coach. Jay is deceitful and only believes in one system. RG3 in no way can play under the likes of Gruden. Jay Gruden does not care what your history is. He completely ignores it. Just look at the DC he hired and the way he promoted MCVeigh. Look at how ignored Kirks up and down play and propensity for turnovers. As long as you talk the talk. Good assessment but if I were Robert, I would get down on my knee’s and thank God for getting out from under Gruden and his lack of character. A coach like Gruden must win or the team will implode. He speaks so many lies to be able to do what he wants. One example, Gruden stated that he believes in heavy competition at all positions, even the QB position-because he wanted RG3 out. Do you think he is going to mention the word QB competition in 2016? No, because Gruden says things like that all the time and then just goes and does whatever he wants. As the players see how you can’t trust anything he says and they begin to loose then you will see a locker room implode. It is just how people are.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 23, 2016 at 3:04 PM

        ‘”I didn’t have Darrel Young in Cincinnati,” Gruden said. “If I had him, I would have used him.””.

        “He’s a very good fullback,” Gruden said. “He can run, he can catch. We’re excited about having him … .The personnel will vary, but DY will be a major part of this offense.”

        That was in 2014 and soon after DY was basically MIA

        2014
        9 Rushing Attempts – 14 Targets Passing
        2015
        6 Rushing Attempts – 6 Targets Passing

        http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/9149/jay-gruden-anxious-to-use-darrel-young

      • John - Jan 23, 2016 at 3:15 PM

        Your just sorry he benched Griffin. Get over it and no, he did not have good running backs in Cincy. The last good back in Cincy was Corey Dillon before he went to New England. Giovanni is a good back but a better receiver and not a guy to lean on in the running game.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 23, 2016 at 3:55 PM

          Yes John let’s push more innuendos instead of facts by claiming you know what’s behind issues about Gruden.

          I want to say you are at least right about Cincy not having great backs or even good backs with Gruden as OC. They were more pedestrian with the likes of BenJarvus Green-Ellis. I was thinking Jeremy Hill played under Gruden for a year but I was wrong there. What’s undeniable is that Gruden has fielded a sub-par rushing attack every year he has run an offense.

        • John - Jan 23, 2016 at 4:57 PM

          That offense has not changed much since Gruden left Cincy. Since Bernard and Hill have been playing together, Cincy’s numbers in the run game have improved. Andy Dalton also scrambled more this year. They were looking like the team to win it all until Dalton got hurt.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 23, 2016 at 10:28 PM

          “That offense has not changed much since Gruden left Cincy.”

          yeah okay, whatever, but somehow the rushing attack has improved noticeably at Cincy since Gruden left.

      • rtcwon - Jan 23, 2016 at 4:06 PM

        Wow, the only people I dislike as much is you dislike Gruden are NFC east opponents and their fans, referees and some ex presidents.

        I feel if RGIII has any chance at playing any contact sport again (which I doubt) he owes it 100% to Gruden’s breakthrough with him last year.

        I guess we all believe different “truths.”

      • John - Jan 23, 2016 at 4:50 PM

        Funny, when guys were not playing up to snuff, they got benched in favor of people who were.

        Evidence Andre Roberts, Trenton Robinson and Keenan Robinson among others.

        There was a QB competition this past off season. Robert was named the starter in February to keep the press from asking the same question over and over. Robert had he started would not have been the starter for very long. Most thought he would have been benched by game 4 or 5.

      • rcjur - Jan 25, 2016 at 4:21 PM

        Yes…. and it will happen in 2016. Redskins are about to make the biggest stupid financial investment on an unproven qb that will set the franchise back, and as result of financial commitment lose talented players from team Chemistry and confidence will be lost and losing is coming with a tougher 2016 schedule. Cousins performance won’t save the team next season, he got lucky this year with 9-7 but truly 2 of those games were loses but luck was on their side.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 23, 2016 at 2:56 PM

      Ken, I’m not sure what is Rich’s view on the subject. However, I think the issue you have with that proposal is assuming RG3 would give up on the 16.2 million dollar option he is guaranteed for 2016. I don’t see him being so compromising by restructuring that contract. I also expect he sees no future here under Gruden’s offensive scheme. Unless we have what I would consider the greatest kept NFL secrete done under cloak and behind the scenes ever to be devised; RG3 isn’t being groomed to remain here with a offensive system that fits him. That grooming stopped when Shanahan left not physically but mentally back in 2013.

      • kenlinkins - Jan 23, 2016 at 6:48 PM

        I find your idea that the Redskins stopped grooming RG3 interesting, which if true was a big mistake, lazy and self serving (if you buy the “coach hates RG3 stuff), but I can not add that into my placing a value on RG3 due to the fact I didn’t see any reports of his development during the season. Which would seem to support your idea / point! The $16.2 million can be avoided by cutting RG3 then making the offer (all that could be done with a phone call). Maybe my mistake is trying to dividing out the skill set from the baggage while forgetting the coach! While I am not a RG3 fan I like to think I know a little bit about talent and feel that from a business / value stand point he could be a good value. I just feel that there is some data missing when I read how the Redskins Mgt react to RG3. Maybe I will have to wait until RG3 writes a book to get his side of the story. Bottom line: without an offer, it tells me that the GM feels that I am wrong and places RG3’s value to the Redskins very low (key: value to the Redskins). Is that due to not fitting in Redskins system, coach hates him, he burned the bridge, no development in 2016, 4 years of RG3 were enough, or all the above. It just seems like I do not understand the whole story.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 23, 2016 at 10:41 PM

          Your approach to cutting him and then offering a contract is viable. However, I’d expect RG3 doesn’t see that option as being very attractive. The Redskins would have to offer a contract head and shoulders over any other team for such a deal to even be considered.

          I don’t think any coaches hate RG3. I think RG3 made his own share of issues with his relationship with Shanahan. I do buy into the reports that he pushed Shanahan to move away from the read option. however, the injury and return with a bulky brace left Shanahan really with no other option. It wouldn’t be the first time a player approached a coach about a scheme he liked or didn’t like. Anyway, my feelings are the relationship between the FO and Shanahan deteriorated early in 2013 and I think Shanahan knew very early in 2013 that he wouldn’t be there much longer. It’s possible the drama broken out from that relationship leaked out on RG3 as well. I don’t know the truth anymore than any of fan. What I recall about 2013 was it seemed like the team was just going through the motions. There seemed to be a lack of any serious attempt in winning games that season. As for Gruden, I just feel he didn’t desire or couldn’t develop RG3 to work in his scheme. Gruden did seem to have little patience for RG3 and was noticeably favoring Cousins back in 2014.

    • rtcwon - Jan 23, 2016 at 3:57 PM

      Without getting into the plausibility of your scenario, I’ll check your math.

      Yes, your 2016 QB cap number could be $23M. (QB tag ~$19M, your hypothetical deal for RGIII at $3.25M then rookie at $750k)

      But you are way off on the dead money. First, RGIII’s dead money would be at least $750k in 2017 if released after the season, $1.5M if released or traded during the season. And if you actually guarantee $4M of the $6M in 2017, the dead numbers would increase to $4.75M after the season or $5.5M during the season. The rookie would also have dead money.

      Second, the tag is a one year deal so has no dead money. But if you sign Kirk long term, the cap hit would be much lower in 2016 but his dead money would be much, much greater.

      Regardless, this is merely an exercise in understanding the cap as your scenario has no chance.

      • kenlinkins - Jan 23, 2016 at 6:58 PM

        The real world say’s you are correct as to not having a shot, but is that due to RG3 or the Redskins (and then you have to answer the big question, which is WHY? Or is the answer as simple as the Redskins saying nothing when cutting him and just moving on (like when you officially get your divorce 2 years after moving out and there is no benefit / reason to say anything)?

        • rtcwon - Jan 23, 2016 at 9:14 PM

          Your divorce scenario is spot on, neither party benefits by RGIII coming back as the highest paid back up in the league.

          The team should want a better, cheaper back up.
          RGIII should want a chance to win a starting job.

  6. John - Jan 23, 2016 at 3:40 PM

    The truth is that the pistol/read option was installed to coax along Roberts development. Both Mike and Kyle have said this many times.
    With the read option, Robert was seen as a potential threat as a runner, hence the defense had to account for him. They could clobber him like Cincy did or maintain contain to keep him from getting outside.
    Starting in 2013 teams started game planning for the pistol/read option. Robert did not want to run it in any case. He sucked and was shut down at the end of the season.
    2014 he starts of injured but comes back and does nothing special.
    2015 he is named starter in the off season to keep the press at bay. Based on his play in the preseason by most accounts, had he started game 1, he would have been benched by game 4 at the latest. But then I must be talking out of my a$$.

    Bottom line is the guy showed no real growth since the end of 2012. He ran his mouth to much (prior to this year) and did nothing to get any better. You would think he would put in the effort. At least Kirk worked on his craft and spent time with John Gruden to try to improve. Physically he is to frail for the NFL. There are not a lot of spots for him to start. If anything, he’ll be a career backup. His best chance at starting would be in the CFL.

    • timwillhide - Jan 24, 2016 at 1:30 AM

      “The truth is that the pistol/read option was installed to coax along Roberts development”

      That statement proves you know nothing about football since you think the Pistol and read option are the same.

      • Skulb - Jan 24, 2016 at 9:35 AM

        We’ve been over and over this, and it’s you who do not have a clue about football. All you comment on is RGIII with accusations of racism left and right. Any other topic and you disappear because you don’t understand football. You just understand race politics.

        PS: Don’t waster your time responding. After I caught you systematically lying here last winter I don’t bother reading anything you write. It’s all mindless drivel anyway. Please tell me you’re leaving to the unemployment lines with your hero when he goes though. Do us all a favor.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 24, 2016 at 11:10 AM

          “It’s all mindless drivel anyway. ”

          Funny since that is what I recall from Skulb’s rampage of comments back during preseason. Your semantics and terminology used to explain certain aspect of the games is clear to me you do not have real life knowledge of the sport.

        • timwillhide - Jan 24, 2016 at 2:48 PM

          I didn’t lie about anything. I provided stats with links and you called them made up like. I’m some kind of web designer.

          In fact I comment on a lot about different areas of the redskins and never see you unless it’s to bash RG3.

      • John - Jan 24, 2016 at 9:57 AM

        Regardless, Robert sucks and was a huge waste of draft picks will soon be gone. Now go back to crying in your cheerios and get over it.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jan 24, 2016 at 11:13 AM

          Robert now sucks? Anyone and I mean ANYONE who can step on a NFL football field and perform to the level of POY; perform to the level of leading a team to the playoffs at the age of 22; perform to the level of having a 14-0 lead on a very very good Seattle defense before his injury is not a guy who sucks. You suck as a fan for stating this. I had hopes there was a decent person somewhere in you John. I now know I was foolish to think that.

        • kenlinkins - Jan 24, 2016 at 3:24 PM

          I always find it interesting & funny that so many fans do not seem to understand that anyone who can sign a NFL contract for even the 90 man roster are in fact the top one percent of players who have put on pads and a helmet. Making it to a NFL 53 man roster or even the Practice Squad even for just one week is something very few guys can do. There are only about 3,300 guys each year who have earned the right to cash a NFL check for being a player. There are about 130,000 D1 college players alone each year, add to that another 200,000 other college / Jr. college players plus over a million High School players and maybe another 10 million Boy Club / Pee Wee players, plus countless Semi Pro, and Men Touch & Flag teams. To say anyone who is under contract to a NFL team sucks is just wrong IMO.

        • John - Jan 24, 2016 at 6:37 PM

          Redskins name,

          I hope he does good elsewhere. He brings great memories of 2012 but what has he done since in the N (not) F (for) L (long)? Truth is once he is out of Washington, his chances of recapturing past glory will drop dramatically.

          Will another team change everything for 1 player? No. Someone mentioned him going to Seattle. Is he going to replace Russell Wilson? No. Most anywhere he goes, he’ll be on the bench. The longer he sits, the less likely a comeback. Just another Hiseman winner that was great in college but had his moment in the NFL and then…

      • John - Jan 24, 2016 at 5:56 PM

        They used the pistol/shotgun a great deal of the time to run and pass and had a great deal of success using the zone read in the run and for play action in the passing game. I can remember a great many times where the defensive ends would look lost when they faked a handoff to Alf and held up on the pass rush giving RGme the opportunity to throw.

        Now back to your useless Elias Sports Bureau stat book…

      • John - Jan 24, 2016 at 10:44 PM

        You love to point out how Cousins does not meet your unrealistic expectations yet make excuses for RG3 who was not playing good enough to start. They play on the same team with the same offense. Being the starter in the first couple of preseason games, Robert was with the starters and had the majority of work with them leading up to the games. As a backup, Kirk worked with the 2s and 3s leading up to the games and played with the 1s in the last 2 games. Robert had the same drops and the same route concepts to throw to. Your argument is garbage. Stats have no meaning without context.

  7. rtcwon - Jan 23, 2016 at 4:43 PM

    One RGIII topic out of five.

    Three non-RGIII comments of out 52. I’m guilty too :(

    Here’s to hoping for a clean slate once he’s gone. Can the haters stop trying to find a way to blame him for everything? Can the conspiracists stop trying to find a way to blame everyone else? Can the objectivists like me stop trying to correct all the falsehoods on both sides?

    Probably not, hope crushed, inflammatory topic for decades to come…

    • gasngo14 - Jan 23, 2016 at 6:01 PM

      Like I said ..Robert is gone, let it go already!!

      and for the folks who can’t ….follow him out of this town and onto what ever team he may end up on :)
      and
      BEST OF LUCK , YOU’LL NEED IT :))

      • rtcwon - Jan 23, 2016 at 9:17 PM

        See, even the “let it go” comes with a dig!

        • gasngo14 - Jan 23, 2016 at 9:23 PM

          No digs just the truth :)

      • kenlinkins - Jan 24, 2016 at 3:10 PM

        I for one have nothing to get over as I have never been a big RG3 fan. For me it is the time of year to set values for players and try to figure out their worth using nothing more than performance using a business case (unlike many who seem to have a ax to grind for whatever reason) . IMO if you are unable to see that RG3 has NFL value or to make a case for offering / signing him to a contract that reflects that value to a NFL team you might have other issues that require working on. As in every business case there are + and – to consider to gain the amount of the value, but to just say “let it go already” or “follow him out of town” (i.e. if you don’t agree with me you are dumb and can leave now) seems out side the debate of trying to figure out how to best reset values of the parts required to rebuild a NFL team. (I really wanted to add “unless you are a 7 year old” right here but didn’t as if might show a departure from the point I was trying to make, so I will just take my “Best of Luck” and have a happy day knowing I didn’t take a dig at anyone).

      • rcjur - Jan 25, 2016 at 4:25 PM

        While we are forced to sit back and start seeing the Redskins suck starting in 2106. Bum coach and a true backup qb with false hopes to DC.

    • bangkokben - Jan 23, 2016 at 7:13 PM

      Good synopsis. Today, I’m finished with trying to correct the falsehoods. Tomorrow, I hope I still am.
      (This is not the *cue* for some of the folks who vehemently disagree with my version of events to state their case, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they did.)

  8. joeyjust4u2 - Jan 24, 2016 at 1:12 PM

    I am not pleased with the way Scot & Gay Gruden treated Robert Griffin III.Scot,Gay and Cousins can all play with each other in the closet.As long as they are part of the Washington Redskin (DEAD SKINS) I will have nothing nice to say about the team.I do know that I can say whatever I want as long as it is not a threat.Since Texas is Robert Griffin III home.I hope he is with the Dallas Cowboys,so will get to play the Dead Skins twice a season and he at least play those two games.After he kick their azz,he can tell them to concussion this,HTTR that and you like that.If by chance he is with the Dallas Cowboys,I will get me a jersey with Griffin III on the back and wear it proudly throughout the DMV twice a season

  9. joeyjust4u2 - Jan 24, 2016 at 1:23 PM

    OH,I FORGOT TO SAY THIS,FROM THIS POINT ON,I HOPE AMY TEAM THAT HAS A QUARTERBACK AND IS NOT WHITE,KICK THE DEAD SKINS AZZ !!!!! LMFAO :=)

  10. greed - Jan 28, 2016 at 9:21 AM

    skins will regret the day they let RG3 out the building !

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