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The Redskins playoff scenario nitty-gritty, Week 15

Dec 15, 2015, 10:35 AM EDT

Baker sack vs Eagles

The NFC East playoff picture remains a muddled mess.

There was a chance to have some degree of clarity added to it on Monday night in Miami but the Giants broke open a tie game with an 84-yard touchdown pass from Eli Manning to Odell Beckham Jr. early in the fourth quarter. New York beat the Dolphins 31-24 to stay tied with the Redskins and Eagles atop the NFC East.

Here are the three teams, their NFC East records, and their remaining games:

Redskins (2-2)—Bills, @Eagles, @Cowboys
Eagles (2-2)—Cardinals, Redskins, @Giants
Giants (2-3)—Panthers, @Vikings, Eagles

At the moment the Redskins have the edge in the tiebreakers over the Giants with a better division record and half of the tiebreaker with the Eagles by virtue of their Week 4 win over Philly. In order to make that first win over Philadelphia matter, however, the Redskins have to beat them again on the road in Week 16. That means that if the Redskins win out, they win the division at 9-7.

But a team that has yet to win two in a row this year seems unlikely to finish the season with what would be a four-game winning streak counting their win over the Bears last Sunday. If they do drop a game they will need help in the form of a Giants loss to make it. If they lose two, they need a lot of help.

Looking at the schedules, help could be on the way. Both of the Redskins’ rivals are underdogs at home on Sunday with the Panthers favored by about four points over the Giants and the Cardinals are being called about a field goal better than the Eagles.

Washington is slightly favored over the Bills. If the lines hold, the Redskins would be in a position to clinch the NFC East with an 8-7 record in Week 16 with a win over the Eagles and a Giants loss at Minnesota.

The Redskins would not be out if it they lost that game in Philadelphia to the Eagles to fall to 7-8. If they win in Dallas in Week 17 they would look to the scoreboard to see what happens in MetLife Stadium. If the Eagles beat the Giants they would be 8-8 with a head-to head split against the Redskins but they would take the division with a 4-2 record in the NFC East compared to 3-3 in the division for Washington.

But if the Giants win (after having beaten the Vikings in Week 16) they would be 8-8 and tied with the Redskins. The will have split head to head and they both will have 3-3 division records. The next tiebreaker is record in common games. If it plays out this way, both the Giants and the Redskins would be 5-7 in their 12 common games.

That would send it to the next tiebreaker, which is conference record. Right now the Redskins are 6-4 in the NFC while the Giants are 3-6. A win over Dallas would be Washington’s seventh conference win while the Giants can get to no more than six. That would send the Redskins to the playoffs.

There are some who are saying that the Redskins’ upcoming game against the Bills is their least important remaining game. That may be true, but Buffalo is a common opponent that the Giants beat already. Losing that game could drop the Redskins a game behind in that category and that could come into play under some scenarios.

A rough estimate shows about 35 possibilities for how the three teams currently tied at the top could finish. The possible scenarios will narrow considerably after Sunday’s games. For now, just know that the Redskins control their destiny if they win out, and that if form prevails the Redskins might be able to take the division with two wins in their last three.

But, of course, if form had prevailed this year the Redskins would have been eliminated from the playoffs long ago and we’d be watching the Cowboys, who aren’t even relevant at this point, try to wrap up the division before Christmas. So anything can happen.

  1. Mr.moneylover - Dec 15, 2015 at 10:51 AM

    That bills game they owe it to the redskins fans that showed up Monday night against Dallas…they need to beat the bills they can do it but its up to jay gruden play calling…against the bears we seen hurry up offense and we seen no huddle they normal go back to old bad habits let’s see if they do it again…redskins are 6-0 when they run a hurry up offense mix wit no huddle clearly kirk cousins is more comfortable with running that kind of offense and it wears down a defense

    • timwillhide - Dec 15, 2015 at 11:01 AM

      Seems like every QB on this roster is more comfortable running an offense that is not Gruden’s normal offense

      • John - Dec 16, 2015 at 6:11 PM

        Cousins runs the offense as designed. It works best if the running backs actually run to the right hole decisively and the tight ends block the guys that they are supposed to block and don’t get called for holding. That and if Reed and Jackson are healthy as Roberts drops most balls, Grant can’t stay on his feet and Garcon over runs his routes or disappears in games.

        Keep in mind that football is not a 1 man game. Unfortunately to many folks put to much emphasis on the quarterback. The defense has been pretty piss poor all season. They played hard on Sunday but should not have given up 21 to the Bears. Sure Kirk threw a pic that lead to one of those scores but he has cut down on the pics quite a bit during the course of the season.

        He currently has 5 games with 300+ yards (tying a team record), highest completion % in the NFL, NFC Offensive Player of the Week twice this year (when was the last time any Redskin earned those honors?) And is heading toward a 4,000 yard, 20 touchdown season. All without the benefit of a running game. Unfortunately you can’t see the good because all you do is focus on the negative.

    • hail74 - Dec 15, 2015 at 11:04 AM

      They definitely need to stop being so conservative all the time. The redskins”fans” who sold their Monday night tickets to cowboys fans owe it to everyone to actually attend a game with playoff implications.

      • mauriceatwood - Dec 15, 2015 at 11:23 AM

        There will continue to be a lot of that going on with Gruden as coach. Just because Redskin fans don’t want to waste money supporting a team in the stadium doesn’t make them any less a fan than you are just because you go to the games in the stadium. That is if you do attend games. Fans can be just as supportive sitting at home watching the game on TV. I know I wish I could get the $500 back that I burned going to the Carolina game in full Redskins attire. I could have watched that throttling from a sports bar with my friends all the same and still been just as sick of the outcome and team’s performance and lack of preparation all the same.

        • bangkokben - Dec 15, 2015 at 11:35 AM

          I agree that you don’t have to spend top dollar to be a fan but I disagree with the notion that gives any season ticket holder an out for not attending or giving their tickets to a less fortunate Redskin fan. If you bought season tickets you made a commitment to the team. Sure, you might not like their policy on the name, who they selected for coach, or the cheerleaders’ outfits; well don’t buy the tickets! No one put a gun to your head and no one mentioned RG3 in the renew letter. FedEx field is one of the worst places to watch a game yet this team has a chance to have the best home record EVER there. That is all on the team. Good for them and good for the loyal fans that show up for every game win or lose.

        • timwillhide - Dec 15, 2015 at 7:21 PM

          Who are you or anyone else to judge what a person does with their tickets? The season ticket holders spent their money and waited years on the list which afforded them the luxury of doing what they wanted with their tickets. You don’t know why they sold their tickets. Maybe they had to work, maybe they gave them to a friend, maybe they did sell them and made $150 profit per seat so they could buy Christmas gifts for their kids, maybe they couldn’t afford to go because money was tight. Just assuming why people didn’t show is ridiculous.

          Where You there? Did you buy a ticket? I was there to watch our QB not throw to wide open receivers and throw mostly short all game. Where where you?

        • bangkokben - Dec 15, 2015 at 7:57 PM

          Tim, you’re right I don’t know the reasons why EVERY season ticket holder that wasn’t at the game ditched the team and SOME could be legitimate reasons. I suspect FEW are. I question their fandom. i don’t think a significant portion of the season ticket-holders in the lower bowl are fans of the team. I suspect they are transplants that have interest in the team or football and have the means. I suspect another group is fair weather fans. As a non-season ticket holder, you may think that I’m not entitled to this opinion or judgement. I’ve been around since RFK and there is no resemblance to what the atmosphere was like at RFK to that at FedEx and for multiple reasons. This fan laments the lack of passion from the fan base and comments on it when possible.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Dec 15, 2015 at 8:25 PM

          I find it humorous for any non ticket holding fan to issue a mandate how tickets should be used to a ticket holding fan.

          As a fan who “committed” MY money to purchase club season tickets for over the past five years; and one who attends most games, I damn well know I don’t owe any commitment to the team as to how I, or any other ticket holder, uses them. It’s a free market and if I’m not happy with the product on Game Day then I can go and give/sell them to anyone of my choosing. If fans were happy with the product on the field then they’d show up in strong numbers. When you see games where many opponent fans are there instead, then that is a clear indicator of a fan base not happy with the entertainment value. There is no “commitment” to the team if a fan chooses to sell them to someone else including a fan on another team. It is the team that owes a commitment to the ticket holder to put quality on the field that makes it worth the additional time for that ticket holder to travel, attend, and further pay more money for the over priced food and drinks at the stadium.

          If you non ticket holders want to see more Redskin fans at the stadium then got off your “dairy air”, pull out your wallet, and make a trek to the seats yourself.

        • bangkokben - Dec 15, 2015 at 8:53 PM

          Jd, you would be a fan that isn’t happy with a 5-2 record at home – the best record ever at FedEx by the way. So for years it’s been okay with you but maybe not now that they have had their best home showing? Or are the other fans not showing up on game day because what happens on the road? You know as well as I that the ticket holders not showing up has nothing to do with wins and losses AT FEDEX this year but everything else. Hey if you can afford club level seats and couldn’t care less that Giants fan is next to you then bully for you. So fandom is only for those that can afford club seats? No wonder you feel entitled to not just winning but winning in a way that pleases you. You’re right I’m sick of seeing Giant fan, Cowboy fan and Ram fan at our stadium. I lament that this fan base has turned into a bunch of pussies. I don’t blame fans for not going to the stadium (it’s a crummy experience from most seats) – just the lower bowl ticket holders that claim to be diehards.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Dec 15, 2015 at 9:35 PM

          “Jd, you would be a fan that isn’t happy with a 5-2 record at home – the best record ever at FedEx by the way.”

          I’ve attended all games but Miami this season. Yes, I’ve enjoyed every one but one, the last one! I share your angst in seeing so many opponent fans at the games. Since I’m there at the game I feel it more than most. However, this is not a new theme at FedEx. It’s been similar and worst at times in past seasons. I doubt it will change anytime soon since one big reason is, as you indicated, that the area has a huge population of transplants from all over the country. Many of those transplants make good money and pay good money to see their team play. My tickets with parking are close to 350 each. If a devoted fan for another team offers 600 each for that same ticket then I’d have no issue selling it. If I was ever to make such a transaction, it doesn’t alter my loyalty to this team. I have too many years of time and yes money invested as a Redskin fan to allow some other fan to question my “fan hood” based on who I provided the tickets.

          My point is that if you are fan in the area but not buying tickets; then how can you complain about who shows up to the games? I don’t cast any doubt on the level of support one fan has over the other regardless if many never attend games. However, fans not buying tickets don’t hold a strong position in criticizing the fan that does but fails to show up for the games. Would it not be fair for me to suggest those fans complaining about the poor showing at games are part of the problem? If you and others are truly committed to the team and really want to to see a stadium full of Redskin fans on game day, then go to Stubhub and buy a ticket.

        • hail74 - Dec 16, 2015 at 12:41 AM

          My god some of you people get so upset over the littlest things. I don’t live in the area but attend a game whenever I go back home. I’ve attended every game, including preseason that the skins have played here in Cleveland. I’m not telling people what to do with their tickets, but what’s the point in buying them if your not going to attend a game with playoff implications against our supposed most hated rival? Lighten up Francis.

        • timwillhide - Dec 16, 2015 at 12:45 AM

          Bang why don’t you buy tickets? You are on here criticizing season ticket holders like myself but yet you don’t buy tickets to the game. Seems hypocritical to me. Me or one of my friends or family members are at every game cheering the team on. Where are you at?

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Dec 16, 2015 at 7:31 AM

          “but what’s the point in buying them if your not going to attend a game with playoff implications against our supposed most hated rival? Lighten up Francis.”

          Why were other Cowboy fans buying the tickets instead of the other “devoted” Redskin fans? In case this is news to you Clarence; in this area there are families and friends intertwined with both Cowboy and Redskin fans. So having ample Cowboy fans at the games is to be expected since it has been happening for sometime now.

          However, the real question is; what’s the point in questioning ones fan devotion based on who attends the games when those clamoring fans are not buying any tickets? I looks hypocritical; I can easily suggest there is more fan commitment to the team in at least making the effort to buy the tickets than ones not buying any at all.

      • bangkokben - Dec 15, 2015 at 11:24 AM


        • redskingeorge28 - Dec 15, 2015 at 11:25 PM

          ” If fans were happy with the product on the field then they’d show up in strong numbers. When you see games where many opponent fans are there instead, then that is a clear indicator of a fan base not happy with the entertainment value. ”


          In 2012, the Year of RGIII, there were still plenty of Dallas fans at FedEx on the final regular season game when we played them for the NFC East title. If that was not reason, or good enough “entertainment value” to box out every Dallas fan and for every Redskin ticket holder to come to the game, then tell me when will the “entertainment value” ever be good enough?

        • timwillhide - Dec 16, 2015 at 12:53 AM

          I was at every home game in 2012 and there we’re more skins fans than I have seen this year. In fact there were more skins fans that year than I have ever seen at FedEx. Especially the Dallas Game. There was fireworks in the parking lot. Next to takingmy son to his first game it was the Best game I’ve bin to.

  2. mauriceatwood - Dec 15, 2015 at 11:19 AM

    Those not so relevant Cowboys are the reason the Redskins are tied rather than leading. Well, actually, the responsibility of that is more on Jay Gruden’s lack of motivational ability than the Cowboys ability as a team, but I’m a cynic when it comes to Gruden, so maybe I am wrong. The up and down pendulum known as the Redskins surfaced yet again last weekend. If the pendulum in still in swing then the Redskins are about to lay an egg against Buffalo in DC. I hope not, but fear otherwise. Would be nice to see the Skins get these last three wins and win the division out right to head into a home playoff game with some confidence and forward progress momentum.

    • cowboyhater - Dec 15, 2015 at 11:52 AM

      Completely agree with you here…..I couldn’t have said it better myself. I too am expecting this team to lay the big egg. As a matter of fact, as much as we say we hope it will not happen, I guarantee it will happen. The piece to this puzzle is our HC. He tried to blow it last week in Chicago, but luckily their kicker helped him out. Can I also say that I think Callahan is overrated…..what happened to our run blocking. This new power scheme is a complete fail with the backs we have. There are no lanes to run through, and our backs are too slow to hit a hole when it opens up. The zone scheme was better suited for these backs. Callahan should have recognized this and made the proper adjustments. I’m sure Morris can’t wait to leave and move on to a team that has a zone blocking scheme.

      • John - Dec 15, 2015 at 12:18 PM

        Its not the scheme. The linemen are opening holes, its the fact that Alfred seems lost once he gets the ball. On several occasions, Cooley has pointed out where holes (big ones) are other, but Alfred is totally indecisive. All he has to do is put his foot in the ground and go. Instead he starts left, then turns right then back left and the play blows up because the line can’t hold their blocks indefinitely.

        Jones does a better job but tends to hit the hole a little to quickly but that will come with playing more. Jones is more decisive but needs patience for the line to get into position. That will come.

        The real problem is the tight ends. Reed puts in the effort but holds. Carrier can block but often times, blocks the wrong guy. This was also happening last year.

        Thank God they can pass block and Cousins gets rid of the ball quickly.

        • cowboyhater - Dec 15, 2015 at 12:37 PM

          Thanks John…..I don’t listen to sports talk and seems to be pretty good insight from Cooley. I haven’t been as tuned in this year, so some of my take is what I partially see, and assumption. I’ll start looking more closely to that.

      • ajbus1 - Dec 15, 2015 at 5:21 PM

        I’ve been wondering what the problem for Callahan is too. I suspect the injuries to Lauvao, Licht, and our TEs have been a major culprit but I still think they should be doing more to utilize Morris to his strengths. I find it hard to believe that Morris is that different of a RB in a power scheme. Especially after all the time spent on practicing, playing, and watching film. I just hope that the stubbornness to stick with and install the scheme will pay off in ‘the long run’.

      • John - Dec 16, 2015 at 12:58 PM

        If you go to Craig Hoffman’s blog on and view the Cooley film breakdown (Tampa game, perfect example), you’ll see the holes are there. Alfred seems lost. Alfred, see the hole put your foot in the ground and go. Its that simple. Instead, he starts left (2 holes available – the play is set for the left), turns right, then heads left into the wrong hole and barely gets any yards. In terms of Jones, he is a rookie, so he is still learning but his problem is he does not wait for the blocks to come together and sometimes runs the wrong way.

        Enough crying about Gruden and power vs. Zone. In all likelihood, they will be looking for a running back who can cut come draft time.

  3. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Dec 15, 2015 at 11:29 AM

    I see Buffalo favored by one at Westgate, Mirage, and Wynn. Pickem at William Hill and Stations.

    Bovada has the Bills favored by 1, also.

    • bangkokben - Dec 15, 2015 at 11:36 AM

      Phew. I like the ‘skins record this year playing as a favorite.

      • bangkokben - Dec 15, 2015 at 11:58 AM

        *Don’t like*

        • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Dec 15, 2015 at 12:30 PM

          Agreed. All too often they’ve come out flat after a win, also.

          Maybe being home dawgs (even if ever so slightly) will get them angry.

        • bangkokben - Dec 15, 2015 at 12:37 PM

          They’ve played very well as home dogs. 5-1 as opposed to home favorites 0-1.

    • murphsman - Dec 15, 2015 at 12:47 PM

      What are you talking about

  4. colmac69 - Dec 15, 2015 at 11:43 AM

    U could get scenario all 3 teams are 7-8

    Philly win div with win vs Nyg

    Wash win div with win and Nyg win(conf record would b tiebreaker)

    Nyg win div with win and wash loss

    Assuming we bt bills/lose eagles

    Philly lose ari/beat skins

    Nyg lose caro/beat minn

    • sidepull - Dec 15, 2015 at 3:13 PM

      I am trying hard to not get into the what if scenarios until there is something to really what if about. The Bills are coming to town this so lets see the Redskins beat them at home. As long as they win I dont worry too much about all the other possibilities, not yet anyhow.
      Go Redskins, get another Ryan fired! HTTR

  5. Devon - Dec 15, 2015 at 12:09 PM

    Rich, if the skins beat the bills and the lines hold in the Philly and giants games this weekend the skins will automatically clinch the division with a win against the eagles the following week. It doesn’t matter what the giants do from their on out. This little simulation tool has come quite in handy

  6. troylok - Dec 15, 2015 at 12:11 PM

    I’d rather the Redskins control their own destiny. Gruden needs to put a little more flavor in his offense. He had Cousins moving around a lot more against Chicago and they would have won in Dallas had they done the same thing. Keep that up. I saw Ross got on the field finally. I like having he and Jackson on the field at the same time. Speed kills and they are the fastest guys on the team. Combined with those two, I like Crowder playing the slot. It puts a lot of speed and shiftiness on the field at once.

  7. bangkokben - Dec 15, 2015 at 12:11 PM

    What I like about the scenarios is that the Redskins HAVE to win their division games. As much as I thought that Philly would lose two out of three against (New England, Buffalo, and Arizona) it now comes down to whether our Redskins can beat the Eagles in Philly. Gruden, for all his flaws, is 2-1 against Chip Kelly. Cousins has had two very good days throwing the ball against the Eagles. I like our chances even if they are more or less 50/50. We have meaningful games in December which is the first step to building a competitive team.

    • ET - Dec 15, 2015 at 1:09 PM

      Meaningful games in December? Feels weird. At least the B&G isn’t thrust into the spoiler role this season.

      I like our chances against Philly as well. The past couple of years, they’ve been our anti-Giants—the Skins have played them pretty well even at the height of their suckitude.

      • bangkokben - Dec 15, 2015 at 1:18 PM

        Philly feels the same way about the Giants. They feel they have them figured out. Not sure why – I guess recent history – but then again hell if I care.

        • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Dec 15, 2015 at 2:08 PM

          The Eagles are 8-3 versus the Giants the last 5 1/2 years.

          I guess they do a much better job of getting to Eli than we do.

        • bangkokben - Dec 15, 2015 at 2:12 PM

          They also had Desean Jackson that one year do the opposite of what he did in Dallas with his punt return in the final seconds sending Tom Coughlin nuts. Basically, the Redskins can’t lose to Philly and expect the Giants to bail them out. Having said that I’ll still take “backing in” to the playoffs any day over watching other teams in the tournament.

        • ET - Dec 15, 2015 at 3:28 PM

          If backing in is what it takes, so be it.

          And if it can’t be us, let it be the Giants. Chip “Hot Mess” Kelly could use some humbling.

        • ajbus1 - Dec 15, 2015 at 5:15 PM

          F Mara and the Giants.

  8. greed - Dec 15, 2015 at 12:41 PM

    sorry rich bv all that info is irrelavent, skins to inconsistint to pick their own win and losses and the same can be said about the other teams , imo this reason will come down to the last week ur against dallas , philly vs giants , should be fun and nerve recking to watch

    • bangkokben - Dec 15, 2015 at 1:16 PM

      Redskins can have it locked up the last week if they win Sunday and then Saturday at Philly and NY loses to the Panthers. The Redskins could also be out of the race by then if they lose the next two week and both NY and Philly win Sunday.

      The only way it comes down to the last week where the ‘skins, Eagles, and Giants can win the division, is if the Redskins win Sunday to the Bills and then lose the following Saturday night to Philly, while Philly loses to Arizona and then beats the Redskins, while the Giants lose to Carolina and beat Minnesota. Then Philly is in, if they beat NY. The Redskins are in if they beat Dallas and NY beats Philly; and the Giants are in if they beat Philly and the Redskins beat Dallas.

  9. metalman5150 - Dec 15, 2015 at 1:40 PM

    Let us pray that Ed Hoculli is not an official referee for any of those remaining games!
    or that one other official who thinks our team is a racial slur.

    • bangkokben - Dec 15, 2015 at 1:57 PM

      I don’t care if they think the team name is a racial slur because I think that is the smallest of reasons we get flagged so much but I’m hoping that we do not get one of the new crews. I do not want see any more picked up flags for holding. The Bills are already the most penalized team in the NFL and felt they got jobbed in Philly so this game has the potential to be a laundry show. I’m just so sick and tired about all the commentators lamenting about how hard it is to play defense with the emphasis on defensive holding or PI. NO IT ISN’T IF YOU’RE PLAYING THE REDSKINS. Holding, offensive pass interference, illegal crackback blocks. You name it and our offense has been penalized for it. I’d be shocked if our opponents defenses had more accepted penalties than our offense. For the most part the penalties called on the opponents defense have been flagrant while you see other teams getting away with what our offense does.

    • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Dec 15, 2015 at 2:10 PM

      Add me to the list of people who hates seeing Ed Hochuli as the ref for one of our games.

      • bangkokben - Dec 15, 2015 at 2:15 PM

        Do we have a crew that we like?

      • redskingeorge28 - Dec 15, 2015 at 11:35 PM

        Please don’t let it be Triplett, Bogar or Morelli’s crew either

  10. davidfchandler - Dec 15, 2015 at 1:57 PM

    If it comes down to us needing the Giants to beat the Eagles for us to get in, I could totally see Mara instructing Coughlin to rest all his starters just to stick it to Snyder one more time.

    • ajbus1 - Dec 15, 2015 at 6:41 PM


  11. bangkokben - Dec 15, 2015 at 2:42 PM

    As bad as our ‘skins are, they are tied with the 12th best record in the NFL. Yep, that’s right folks. There are only Eleven winning teams in the NFL with 12 playoff spots.

  12. kenlinkins - Dec 15, 2015 at 2:59 PM

    Rich, It seems to me that the Redskins have doubled their win total from 2014 even with a IR list that has way too many starters on it, found the QB for the next few years, the DC is no longer 0-16, many of the 2015 draft picks have found their way onto the field without getting labeled a bust, some of the 2014 draft picks have development to the point of being able to play limited rolls and the locker room drama has been kept under control. I would call that a successful second year for the Head Coach and a good start for the new GM. I know all us Redskins fans are hoping that the Redskins can make the play offs, but even if the Redskins go 7-9 (i.e. only get one more win) and disappoint all those planning on buying play off tickets, I for one want to say while I am still in a good mood after the road win that while I see many concerns still to be corrected, but that the 2015 Redskins have had a successful year and that a very successful (8-8) and or a Outstanding year (9-7 w/ a play off game) may be still in the cards. (saying it now due because I sometimes get up set after a lost / big lost and seem to forget the improvements made to date). Six wins with player development and little drama was the low bar I had for the Redskins to get over this year and they have done that. Still having a shot at the NFC East title is just lucky but luck could be the key that gets the Redskins into the play offs in 2015 (And that is just fine by me as two unlucky plays might have cost the Redskins a 8-5 record).

    • kenlinkins - Dec 15, 2015 at 2:59 PM

      Rich: Where would you rate the success to date?

      • Rich Tandler - Dec 15, 2015 at 7:44 PM

        Hard to say when you’re in the middle of it but I’d have to call 6-7 wins a very modest success and 8-9 wins a solid success. To be sure, they still have a long way to go until they get to where they want to be. But 2015 is at least a modest step forward and maybe turn out to be a good stride.

    • hail74 - Dec 15, 2015 at 6:35 PM

      Very good points and I agree

    • bangkokben - Dec 15, 2015 at 9:04 PM

      Haven’t double their win total yet. They won four games last year. A win Sunday and they will equal their total wins from 2013 and 2014.

  13. colmac69 - Dec 15, 2015 at 4:13 PM

    Don’t know if their possibility we could qualify as wildcard at 8-8?(assuming giants win div 9-7)

    If vikings/bucs/bears/saints/rams finished 8-8 we got tiebreaker on all……only team we don’t have the edge is atlanta and their in meltdown mode

    Wouldn’t think too many would even get to 8-8 in first place

    • colmac69 - Dec 15, 2015 at 4:15 PM

      Meant to mention our two wins vs eagles/dallas to get to 8-8 (with 8-4 conf record)

    • bangkokben - Dec 16, 2015 at 12:58 AM

      Yes that scenario is possible. Even becoming the 5th seed and playing at NY, if both the Vikings and Seahawks lose their remaining games, is a possibility. The reverse is also possible – NY becoming the 5th seed and playing at Washington. There are a lot of permutations depending on who ends up 8-8 and EVERY game counts as strength of victory is a likely tiebreaker.

      According to Football Outsiders the Redskins have a better chance at becoming the 3rd seed 0.3% than becoming the 5th seed 0.0% (or less than 0.05%). A 32% overall chance at making the playoffs.

      You can play with all the permutations here:

  14. Skulb - Dec 15, 2015 at 10:21 PM

    This is very simple to me: if this team wants to feel like a playoff team in January they need to win out and get on a bit of a roll here. If we lose any of these games and someone else gets in we do not deserve to be there, particularly when we have a softer schedule than the Eagles and Giants. You crush Buffalo, win with resilience, precision and grit in Philly and then hammer Dallas to get even for the unnecessary and mistake-riddled home defeat a week ago.

    That’s what needs to happen here. Otherwise I’m happy ending this relatively successful year 1 of a rebuild and moving on to 2016.

    • goback2rfk - Dec 16, 2015 at 1:45 AM

      I am thinking playoffs, I am also thinking 1st Round Win vs. the Vikings. If we play Seattle in the 1st round I am thinking certain loss.
      If we do not make it to the playoffs I would think at this point it would be a disappointment. I think if we miss the playoffs we will look back at that 1st Dallas game and know the season was damaged greatly by that loss. I have never seen a more beatable Dallas Cowboys team than the one led by Matt CasseL. That game should have been won more than any others this season. I really want that NFC East Division Hat this year and cant wait to see how the team finishes the season.

      • Skulb - Dec 16, 2015 at 5:07 AM

        Agreed. Dallas and Miami to me. A team losing to those two abominations deserve to not get in. I would obviously like a playoff game or two as well, but I stopped expecting it after the Dallas loss.

  15. redskingeorge28 - Dec 15, 2015 at 11:15 PM

    For the life of me I can’t understand why so many Redskin fans are writing this Buffalo game off as a loss. Yes they are stout on defense, but their season is pretty much over now with their loss to PHI, and they are undisciplined with all the penalties they get flagged on which could help us. I know we have plenty of our own faults and can easily lose this game, but I’m not as convinced as so many others are that this is a guaranteed ‘L’.

    • bangkokben - Dec 16, 2015 at 1:03 AM

      I’m not writing the game off but we haven’t beaten Buffalo since our last Super Bowl in 1992 and they have been just as bad as us. We are basically their whipping boy. I still think we will come away with the victory and none of those past six teams have anything similar to the guys in uniform Sunday. John Beck was throwing checkdowns to Roy Helu (Jr.) when he wasn’t getting sacked. That’s how much turnover a football team can undertake in four seasons.

      • redskingeorge28 - Dec 16, 2015 at 3:05 AM

        Agreed. I think if we take this game will go a long way to getting the division! As it is, I had us anywhere between 5-11 and 8-8 so right now they are doing a little better that I figured they would. HTTR! Archives

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