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Need to Know: Notes and numbers from Redskins-Panthers

Nov 23, 2015, 5:42 AM EDT


Here is what you need to know on this Monday, November 23, six days before the Redskins host the New York Giants.

Notes  and numbers from Panthers 44, Redskins 15

CHAROLOTTE—A few notes from the Redskins’ loss to the Panthers:

—DeSean Jackson’s 56-yard touchdown reception in the second quarter was the 22nd TD catch of 50 or more yards in his career. That ties him with Joey Galloway for fifth in the NFL since the 1970 merger. It was his 51st reception (scoring or not) of over 50 yards, the most in the NFL since he came into the league in 2008.

—The Redskins rushed for 14 yards, the second fewest in a game in team history. They ran for 10 yards in a 1994 game against the Bucs.

—Andre Roberts returned a second-quarter kickoff 99 yards for a touchdown. It was the first kickoff return for a touchdown of his career.

—The Redskins have now scored three special teams touchdowns this year. They scored no special teams touchdowns in the previous three seasons, from 2012-2014.

  • Week 3 at Giants– Rashad Ross 101 yard kickoff return TD
  • Week 6 at Jets– Rashad Ross blocked punt return for TD
  • Week 11 at Panthers– Andre Roberts 99 yard kickoff return TD

— Including a 101-yard kickoff return touchdown by Rashad Ross in Week 3, the Redskins tied a team record with two kickoff return touchdowns in a single season for the fourth time in team history (2005, 1947, 1942).

—Cam Newton threw four touchdown passes in the first half, the most ever thrown in the first half against the Redskins. Randall Cunningham threw four touchdown passes in the second half of a game in 1989.


Today’s schedule: Jay Gruden news conference 3 p.m.

Days until: Giants @ Redskins 6; Monday night Cowboys @ Redskins 14; Redskins @ Bears 20

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  1. Nectarcollector - Nov 23, 2015 at 6:26 AM

    Nice for djax. But non existent rest of game. He did great at starting his brand over the summer and his realtiy tv show, gang shooting at his house and his new baby. Really showed up to the season in tip top health and tip top shape. Just kidding

    • Nectar collector - Nov 23, 2015 at 6:31 AM

      Definitely didn’t have the offseason of someone concerned about winning a super bowl. And this coaching is so inconsistent it’s off the hook. 7 total runs? Morris used on two runs whole game? And he’s a proven 1000 yard rusher. At this pace the coaching staff will end up fired by scott.

      • colorofmyskinz - Nov 23, 2015 at 6:56 AM

        Many problems nectar. Hatch might be right about our team name attracting penalties and poor calls. Team is pretty well cursed. If Snyder sold, then we moved the team out of DC into Virginia, and changed our name we might have a chance. LOL

        • brucefan1 - Nov 23, 2015 at 8:55 AM

          Hatcher said THAT?! Gotta laugh!! I guess we’ve reached the nadir of excuse-making!

          Where were all those penalties when the Redskins were a winning organization? (Yeah … one important part of the team HAS changed since then — but it’s not how refs perceive their nickname.)

          Heck, where were those penalties LAST WEEK when they were scalping the Saints??!!

        • metalman5150 - Nov 23, 2015 at 3:00 PM

          TO the comment below this one (Where were all those penalties when the Redskins were a winning organization? (Yeah … one important part of the team HAS changed since then — but it’s not how refs perceive their nickname.)

          Where were all the name-haters back then? Why so hate towards the name, now, all of the sudden its a racial slur?

        • bangkokben - Nov 23, 2015 at 3:06 PM


          You have opened yourself up for an abainig post about education and more people becoming aware. He, of course is a complete history revisionist but don’t let that stop you from reading what he has to say.

  2. We didn't like that - Nov 23, 2015 at 6:35 AM

    No cousins. We
    Didn’t like that. Didn’t like that at all

  3. colorofmyskinz - Nov 23, 2015 at 6:53 AM

    Horrible penalty call on culliver to reverse the TD was a game changer. Jones fumble a game changer. Cousins how many sacks for fumbles? I lost count. Game changer. Offensive line horrible performance. Then the team gave up after the first 1minute of the 3rd quarter. Gruden at half said we can’t have penalties and turnovers in the second half and we had one of each only 1 minute into third quarter.

    Then the team just plain old gave up. Looking at the bench was the worst part of the game in the third quarter. Total mental defeat. The skins gave up so bad, the local market I am in took the game off the air and placed the Cowboys on in their place.

    I think this team must definitely signaled a season the has come to an end. It would not surprise me to see the Cowboys pass us up in total wins this year.

    Complete mental defeat and loss. Poor coaching all the way around. Online got completely blown up. This team is done… Looking like season over to me…

    • colorofmyskinz - Nov 23, 2015 at 7:19 AM

      Cousins with 5 sacks and 2 fumbles… Looked like RGIII out there…

      • brucefan1 - Nov 23, 2015 at 8:58 AM

        “Cousins with 5 sacks and 2 fumbles… Looked like RGIII out there…”

        Yeah …. how do you explain THAT?! (Unless maybe it’s because Kirk hadda play with a team that looked a lot like the ones Griffin often had to endure! LOL)

      • timwillhide - Nov 23, 2015 at 9:26 AM

        Cousins was holding onto the ball

        • brucefan1 - Nov 23, 2015 at 11:58 AM

          Ya mean held the ball TOO LONG, Tim?

          Which, btw, is a “stat” that I had never heard made mention of until Griffin started having his problems! Ya think he mighta INVENTED that phenomenon??!!

          If so, maybe that means now he’ll be remembered for something more than just adding suffixes to players’ names on their uniforms and wearing one white sleeve! ;^} (Well, up to now at least.)

        • colmac69 - Nov 23, 2015 at 12:10 PM

          Yeh Qbs have to hold the ball to throw it or they wouldn’t function properly

        • timwillhide - Nov 23, 2015 at 12:43 PM

          Seriously though Cousins probably only held onto the ball too long twice. I only said that because it seems to me there is a difference when there is bad blocking between for Cousins compared to RG3. The Olympics ne is vastly improved in Pass Blocking this year. You can visually see a difference. The QB is given more time and there isn’t a total collapse at the hike of the ball. People think I’m bias but who truly is bias when I’m saying the online was an issue for all QBs behind it. Here we are with the Oline getting push around at times causing sacks and everyone says it’s the Oline. But last year when the Oline was worse it was the QB. COME ON MAN

        • brucefan1 - Nov 23, 2015 at 5:31 PM

          I agree Tim (and don’t think yer biased at all — more like a lone voice crying in the wilderness. You know … “Make straight the way of the running back!”)

          This o-line, with all its obvious shortcomings, has been doing a MUCH better job of pass blocking than those of the last couple seasons. It’s in RUN blocking where they have been pushed around consistently. I think few would make a case against that statement.

          Most here have said from Day One that opposing defenses would key on stopping the run and force Cuz to pass … and they have. That has worked out well for the oppo ON THE ROAD — but better for Kirk when at home.

          Hey! Ain’t they playing at home on Sunday??!!

    • sidepull - Nov 23, 2015 at 7:29 AM

      They did look like they gave up. There was no fire from any “leader”. Who fires these guys up? It looked like to the plays by Roberts, Djax, Culliver and then there were some skirmishes but once the turnovers came in bunches it started to eat away at what bravado was there. Definitely not liking what was seen on that bench. Folks ragged on Cousins for his head being down and dejected last year. This year, this game, there was more of that and not just him. What will it take? Seems Scot has some decisions to make this off-season. The Redskins are not out of the playoff scenario in the weak NFC East that’s what so ironic. Even as bad as they can be, they are still it in.

      • metalman5150 - Nov 23, 2015 at 3:05 PM

        Its like a downward spiral that intensifies, exponentially.
        Battling the opposing team, check.
        OK, we have to battle the flags, too, even the egregious ones, check.
        OK, no I have to dig a little deeper, and hope that I do not break an ankle, while doing so.
        OK, so now no matter if we play poor, good or indifferent, the refs are going to flag us back?!
        CHECK MATE. Pack it in.
        I turned the game off at halftime. Figured the players would too, and how would you blame them? If that Culliver pick-6 isn’t a legitimate play on the ball, then what is the point of playing our hearts out?

    • brucefan1 - Nov 23, 2015 at 9:01 AM

      “This team is done… Looking like season over to me…”

      Awww … you’ll feel much better after they beat the Giants next week!

    • ajbus1 - Nov 23, 2015 at 9:36 AM

      That sums it up pretty well colorofmyskinz.

  4. ET - Nov 23, 2015 at 7:24 AM


    In yesterday’s thread, I said something like “I think we’re past the Same Old Redskins problem” in response to a post by Ken. Looks like I was wrong. The mental errors on the field yesterday were constant and humbling. The rate of penalties and turnovers was insane—even if some of those penalty calls were suspect and/or wrong, there were still way too many of them. Lots of fingers to point this time, from the top down.

    • kenlinkins - Nov 23, 2015 at 9:28 AM

      I am not yet ready to say SOR (Same Old Redskins) as I want to wait until I see what they do in the next two home games against NFC East teams. If the Redskins can get to 500% and string together two wins and prove they have not fallen off the cliff then these are not the SOR, but if they look anything like the team that showed up in Carolina then the season is lost and there is a good chance that they have the same record as 2014. When handicapping a Horse race, you sometime “throw out” a bad race showing on the form because the horse was over his head, got a bad ride or even it was just not his day. For now, I am going to throw out this game and say the Redskins have a shot of winning their next two games. This sometimes proves a great way to cash in a nice winning ticket, other times it is a great way to give your money away. (I just wonder if my Redskins heart is getting in front of my football mind again!) the next two games will tell me the truth about the 2015 Redskins.

      • ajbus1 - Nov 23, 2015 at 9:40 AM

        I’m with ya ken. The schedule eases up the rest of the way and they have a chance to prove they’re not the SOR. Even if they aren’t the SOR I think yesterday proved they also aren’t a playoff caliber team. They may win the division, which would be awesome, but they’d probably get spanked in the first round of the playoffs.

        • abanig - Nov 23, 2015 at 9:42 AM

          The divisional games won’t be easy, never are and we have 4 left.

        • ajbus1 - Nov 23, 2015 at 8:00 PM

          Would you rather play the likes of Carolina and New England some more? Divisional games or not, I’d rather play the Eagles, Cowgirls, and Giants. The “Same Old Redskins” , as ken put it, would fold the rest of the season. Let’s see if they can get over this tough Carolina loss and compete against teams that are more beatable than Carolina.

      • ET - Nov 23, 2015 at 12:43 PM

        Ken, you’re right that a somewhat longer view may be in order. Last year’s team couldn’t handle a loss like that gracefully, but this year’s model—perhaps. There are still some interesting matchups on the schedule.

  5. ET - Nov 23, 2015 at 7:30 AM

    Run game? Cringeworthy.

    14 yards on 11 carries? Are you kidding me?

    We know the Saints D is its own level of terrible, but the week-to-week slippage in the run game is ridiculous. You can’t win like that, Coach Gruden / McVay / Callahan.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 23, 2015 at 7:59 AM

      Is that coaches you are referring to in a game like yesterday ET? Now, that’s out of line and makes too much sense.

      However, I’m not sure you want to blame the coaches here. You see when a whole unit plays sloppy all over the field and can’t handle fundamental responsibilities like holding onto the ball, staying outside the neutral zone, or tackle some fans will argue that it is not a coaching issue.

      • hail74 - Nov 23, 2015 at 8:52 AM

        So did Callahan just become a bad coach here? I mean if he can’t coach the guys to run block or prevent Moses from sitting in his stance well after the ball has been snapped, that’s on him right? Tackling has been an issue for this team for sometime, not just yesterday, not just this year, but don’t hold the players accountable for failing at the most basic fundamental of the game, it’s the coaches. What would the coaching technique for jumping offsides all day look like? ” hey wait for ball to be snapped!”? Give me a break, everyone failed.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 23, 2015 at 10:49 AM

          Coaches are not perfect hail and it has been quite a common understanding in the league that when play is sloppy on the field and if an o-line, in general, is not performing well as unit then coaching accepts the fault which they should. Didn’t a DC at New Orleans get fired just last week playing the Redskins. Why? Due to poor overall defense performance that has been problematic most the season.

          ” but don’t hold the players accountable for failing at the most basic fundamental of the game, it’s the coaches. What would the coaching technique for jumping offsides all day look like? ” hey wait for ball to be snapped!”? Give me a break, everyone failed.”
          When every aspect of a game fails on both side of the field then it COACHING! It has always been because their job is to prepare the team to perform on game day. The team performed poorly on game day hence everyone should question the obvious, COACHING

        • Mr.moneylover - Nov 23, 2015 at 1:04 PM

          Three ppl calling plays it messes up a lot…when bill c. Said he gonna make the O-line run laps if they jump off-side jay gruden publicly came out and said he gonna have to stop that…a vet coach like bill c. I’m pretty sure he didn’t like that and don’t really care for jay gruden after those comments…you don’t come out to the media and criticise what a coach is doing that’s helping your O-line get better…a few weeks ago jay gruden did admit that his mouth gets him in trouble sometimes

      • ET - Nov 23, 2015 at 10:12 AM

        You’re right, of course. The state of the run game is a multi-level failure, and the players ultimately must execute. They didn’t.

        My frustration stems from the coaches’ inability to hammer home basic concepts and correct issues that’ve appeared more than once—to “coach ’em up,” as Gruden himself has said more than once. It’s not a talentless bunch that the Skins are putting on the field, even though they’re clearly not All-Pros, either. We can hold multiple players (Morris, Jones, Long, LeRibeus, among others) accountable for failing to execute, but the problem is deeper than individual performances or the lack thereof.

  6. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Nov 23, 2015 at 7:47 AM

    Stink. Stank. Stunk.

    • brucefan1 - Nov 23, 2015 at 9:04 AM

      “Stink. Stank. Stunk.”

      Haha! Just in time for the holiday season! Nice.

  7. colorofmyskinz - Nov 23, 2015 at 8:00 AM

    I am not sold on McVay. If gruden is creating and calling plays then not sold on him. I just don’t think McVay is ready for prime time. Gruden questionable. Barry??? We are back to the same old problem. We have Tampas old coaches everywhere on our team and they suck. We have an entire team of Tampa coaches that have never achieved any greatness in the NFL and we are expecting something different. INSANITY!!

    • brucefan1 - Nov 23, 2015 at 9:09 AM

      “I am not sold on McVay”

      Is anybody sold on McVay?? Like you say, we don’t even know the extent of his input.

      But whoever is responsible for theses flat, flavorless gameplans gotta lotta ‘splainin’ to do!!

      • abanig - Nov 23, 2015 at 9:37 AM

        McVay looks like a college student!

        Time to move on from Gru and let Cousins develop under a HC like Greg Roman, Adam Gase, Darrell Bevel or a defensive minded HC who brings in a young bright mind to coach the offense.

        • greed - Nov 23, 2015 at 10:23 AM

          even though i agree on moving on from gruden a different HC or OC not going to fix cousins , he is what he is a viable backup, he doesnt react well against pressure gruden already runs a scheme to hide the fact that he’s inacurate downfield ,he was the same way at mich state why they never one anything even though he set records there he simply cant execute or avoid the big turnover against the best defenses at a consistent rate college or pro, another headcoach , cordinator will not babysit kirk to prove a point to the owner and that is the situation in dc

        • Rich Tandler - Nov 23, 2015 at 11:53 AM

          Yeah, those were some awful passes to Jackson downfield the last two weeks. Completely inaccurate. And I was amazed at how he came apart under the pressure of being behind 24-0 a few weeks ago.

        • bangkokben - Nov 23, 2015 at 11:14 AM

          That is a STUPID knee-jerk reaction to losing to a team that has won 14 straight in their place and has had one of the best defenses in the past THREE seasons. STUPID. Desean Jackson was wide open for the 1st down on Cousins interception – that is play design with poor execution. The Culliver hit on Olsen and subsequent dropped pass when deflected went right through Breeland’s hands allowing for the 14-point swing. On the coaches? Of course this is. How could it be anything else? Then down 14 inside two-minutes driving with a chance to score and start the 2nd half with the ball. A fine read-option call was made by the coaches and the execution by the players was correct only to called back by the shattiest of reffing crews. The subsequent sack strip led to another 10-point swing. So EVERYONE had their fault in this – coaches included. I don’t buy into the fans rhetoric that the coaches have to adequately motivate these guys or that mental mistakes are a result of poor preparation. This is professional football not Pop Warner. That’s the kind of garbage that comes from folks that have never strapped in on competitively. However, I do blame the coaches for calling so many slow developing deep plays and NOT KNOWING that the O-line doesn’t give up sacks because it hasn’t been asked to block longer than two seconds all year, but let’s look at the body of work before we become the Queen of Hearts and start lopping off heads. CHANGE is the equivalent of hitting the reset button in a video game. Instead of pushing through a tough level it’s restarting the game from the beginning. Celo Green “forget” that to that loser mentality. That’s loser behavior and this town’s fans need to grow up and stop being losers. Until then, it’s the Giants AND a successful season hangs in the balance with the result of THAT game. Yeah, the team could still improve from last year and to a degree improvement is success. And to the this is the beginning of the end crowd, no, it isn’t . Not one game has carried over to the next game this season. Each game is its own entity. The rest of the teams on the schedule don’t match up to New England and Carolina one bit. So take your Xanax or whatever your doctor has you on, vent, blame the world, or find better ways to cope and move on to the Giants.

        • abanig - Nov 23, 2015 at 11:27 AM

          If you call 26 games knee jerk…

          I’ve never been a fan of Gru, he was hired becuause of Allen connections w/ his bro. I wanted other OCs or DCs hired as our HC. Specifically Bevell because he did such a good job with Wilson & I would have liked to see Ken Norton, JR as our DC

        • bangkokben - Nov 23, 2015 at 2:01 PM

          I don’t consider the first 16 games. If you do, it’s so that it fits your preconception of Gruden as a coach. Yes, I know you had YOUR candidates, lest we can’t remember every time the Redskins lose.

          As it is, the Redskins in the FIRST year of a rebuild are playing for FIRST place Sunday. How Snyderishous of you? Replacing Gruden now is akin to getting of Norv when you’re 7-6. That worked out great, didn’t it?

          Now if the team somehow allows this loss to take on greater meaning and lose out, anything is on the table. But that seems like it has as much of chance has us hosting a 2nd round playoff game or did the rest of the league suddenly get better?

        • Mr.moneylover - Nov 23, 2015 at 11:19 AM

          Defensive head coach is more likely because if you fix the defense and other teams struggle to score on you then you got a better chance of winning …the way how other teams scoring on us jay gruden and Joe Barry should feel lucky they ain’t get fired yet…scot m. Want this team to fight until the final whistle blow and they ain’t do that

        • timwillhide - Nov 23, 2015 at 11:40 AM

          The sacks were the result of Kirk Cousins holding onto the ball too long. That’s where sacks come from not bad blocking from the Oline. At least that has bin thaw Mantra by the commenters on this page the last couple years

        • timwillhide - Nov 23, 2015 at 11:41 AM

          Guess that only applies to RG3 huh bang

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 23, 2015 at 12:03 PM

          ” So EVERYONE had their fault in this – coaches included. I don’t buy into the fans rhetoric that the coaches have to adequately motivate these guys or that mental mistakes are a result of poor preparation. ”

          For one this is chalked as one bad game. This is IMO is not an indicator that pink slips should be on coaches desk. It’s one very bad game and yes coaches have always and should be blamed when you are a litany of mistakes across both sides of the field by many players. That’s a team preparation issue. You rarely if ever see teams coached by the likes of Belicheck or even Carroll have a complete collapse of fundamental play among so many players on the field. The tackling and penalties on the defense side was one thing. However below is the offense series after Cousins interception.

          After special teams provided a touchdown on the kick off return, the defense stopped Carolina with 3 plays and out. So what does the offense provide in consecutive series…
          1. 3 plays punt
          2. 2 plays fumble
          3. 8 plays fumble
          4. 1 play fumble
          5. 3 plays punt
          6. 3 plays punt
          7. 5 plays fumble

          That’s 4 fumbles by 3 different players. How on earth can anyone not direct game preparation as an issue in this game? Gruden already publicly accepted blame for this performance and so should the fans.

          Again, its one bad game and I felt the same way about the 1st half against New England.

        • hail74 - Nov 23, 2015 at 12:10 PM

          Exactly Ben! Abanig, How is bevells offense any better than ours and what exactly has he done for Wilson? Wilson is great at handing the ball off and improvising when play breaks down, but he’s no more capable of putting the team on his back then anyone else. Take his D away and they’re a run of the mill team, just look at them now for proof. Tim, yes cousins was holding on to the ball because the short game wasn’t there. Could that be a result of Carolina playing good D? Why is it when we play a team that some fans totally disregard the other teams accomplishments? In one post people are saying we’re lucky to win 4 games in a season, in another their saying we should be able to go on the road and beat the undefeated teams of the league. If you can’t see the difference in when cousins takes sacks and when Robert does than you really shouldn’t be writing articles for SoW.

        • abanig - Nov 23, 2015 at 5:11 PM

          Less turnovers from Bevell offenses, less mental mistakes

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 23, 2015 at 12:19 PM

          “Why is it when we play a team that some fans totally disregard the other teams accomplishments? I”

          It’s not disregarding the opponents ability (accomplishments of the past mean nothing on game day). However, there was only one fumble that looked justifiable. That was the run where Cousins was hit from behind while about to go through his throwing motion. Every other fumble was inexcusable. The interception was inexcusable! This was an opponent with a very good defense, but the offense showed it could move the ball on that defense. It was the turnovers that killed the offensive momentum. A well coached team doesn’t give a good opponent gifts by putting the ball on the field or by missing tackles over and over all along the field by so many players. Good coaching corrects these issues before mid-season. Less capable and inferior coaches are still trying to finding ways to win consistently.

        • colmac69 - Nov 23, 2015 at 12:19 PM

          Yeh same tampa team that hung 45 on eagles and 300+rushing yrds…….

          Completely agree with bangs post below…….rational thought well laid out whether we win or lose

        • hail74 - Nov 23, 2015 at 12:46 PM

          Skinsname does that mean Bruce Arians is not a good coach? After all they have turned the ball over 19 times just like us. Yesterday they only had 2 ints but they fumbled 3xs. Is he not coaching them up enough to prevent fumbles and ints?

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 23, 2015 at 1:00 PM

          “Skinsname does that mean Bruce Arians is not a good coach? ”

          This is a common theme from many of you who read comments and then take them way out of context trying to spin it into a statement that is not even being made. I haven’t once called Gruden or any of the Redskins coaches bad over this game. I haven’t suggested they be fired over this game. I explicitly stated this is not a justification to start firing coaches. I clearly stated, a game this sloppy on both sides of the field fall on the blame of coaching. This is one game we are talking about and I’m take comfort knowing those coaches are smarter than many here and will address these issues during the week. It’s acceptable to suggest that better coaching would have placed a team on the field that produced fewer turnovers, penalties, and missed tackles. Hell, its one thing to address one of the three but to have to address all three after 8 games is a real problem. Hopefully the coaches will do their jobs and correct these issue to provide more competitive games going forward. Hopefully we can achieve consecutive wins that include a road victory.

        • ET - Nov 23, 2015 at 2:18 PM

          “I haven’t once called Gruden or any of the Redskins coaches bad over this game. I haven’t suggested they be fired over this game. I explicitly stated this is not a justification to start firing coaches.”

          I found this game enormously frustrating, and I said above that I think the coaches need to shoulder some blame. At the same time, I don’t think any heads should roll. I’d like to see this coaching staff be more adaptive and creative, for sure. But they deserve a chance to develop as well.

        • abanig - Nov 23, 2015 at 2:28 PM

          Well I think it’s impossible with his group. They aren’t even as creative as the coaches that we’ve gotten rid of the previous two offseasons.

          For as bad as Haz’s D’a were, I don’t remember them being a historically bad run defense. The secondary is only better because of the talent McCloughan added & Perry Fewell. Not because the D gets a lot of pressure because of the new scheme and not because the defensive front 7 is making a ton of plays in the backfield or hitting the qb a lot. Quite the contrary IMO.

          The offense isn’t very creative. The running game has gotten worse as we’ve actually gotten meow talented OL & a more talented RB in Jones than we’ve had since Clinton Portis.

          Remember when Cincy fans were estatic Gruden was gone because he never stuck to the run and his offenses could never run the ball consistently despite having some good running backs?

          Well it’s happened here also. Last year we all blamed it on the OL, and some of it was justified, but the OL is bigger, younger, stronger snd more talented now than it has been in a decade so what’s the excuse for Gruden/McVay now?

          I’m sorry, it just isn’t working. When it’s not working you move on at the end of the year and get a better option.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 23, 2015 at 3:46 PM


          “Well I think it’s impossible with his group. ‘

          You may be right and I agree we have more talent than last season on both sides. It’s good to see I’m not the only one that identifies with the history of Gruden’s inefficient rushing offense.

          Right now, I’m just trying to address yesterday’s game but you still have fans they don’t see a coaching issue here. Players from both sides of the field committing turnovers, penalties, and missing tackles week 10 into the season and I’m calling out the coaching for that game? Now that’s never been a normal place to look with fundamentals are not kept up across the board …smh

        • abanig - Nov 23, 2015 at 5:10 PM

          1-12 on the road bro under Gruden

        • brucefan1 - Nov 23, 2015 at 5:56 PM

          Just a few things a good head coach does is come up with a great plan that exploits the opponent’s weaknesses, put his players in the best possible position to win, and gets his team ready to play hard for 60 minutes.

          Question is, will Jay have shown enough ability in these and other areas to impress Scot at season’s end?

          That book is still being written — and it seems to be a mystery.

    • Mr.moneylover - Nov 23, 2015 at 12:51 PM


  8. warpath1 - Nov 23, 2015 at 8:11 AM

    in relation to the culliver penalty, a couple series prior our TE Reed was hit helmet to helmet and no flag was thrown. Culliver appeared to avoid helmet to helmet and we lose a TD. That doesnt excuse sloppy play the rest of the game but going up 21 to 14 at that point would have made a huge difference. Its hard to keep your heads up when your fighting a losing battle against crappy officiating

    • colorofmyskinz - Nov 23, 2015 at 8:21 AM

      Hatcher thinks the problem is our redskins name. Who knows. We might have a bit of discrimination based on our name. Tough call. Scales tilted in the Panthers favor no doubt.

      • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Nov 23, 2015 at 8:59 AM

        I think it’s a Dan Snyder vs the league (and Mara) issue.

        Remember the cap penalties?

        I recall a game between the Redskins and Giants, specifically. It was the game (10/21/2012) in which we lost Fred Davis for the season to an Achilles tear.

        Davis had scored a TD the play before, but Referee Big Biceps* called illegal motion. The only player who moved on this play was Fred Davis, which is supposed to be legal. And this over-the-top favoritism continued throughout the game, resulting in a 27-23 Giants win.

        * Ed Hochuli. I still dread seeing him announced as head ref for our games.

        • ajbus1 - Nov 23, 2015 at 9:49 AM

          I’ve always wondered how much there is to Dan Snyder vs the league (and Mara). I hate to get into conspiracy theories but seems like we’re always dealing with some bizarre penalties on or off the field.

      • abanig - Nov 23, 2015 at 9:35 AM

        I think the name could be partly the reason depending on the ref. All the more reason to change it if that’s true.

        It’s become more discrimatory as the years have gone on and people have done research on the name.

        Now it’s not only discrimatory to Native American Indians, it is to the players because they are getting bad calls as well…

        Hmm. Interesting!

        • brucefan1 - Nov 23, 2015 at 6:37 PM

          “Now it’s not only discrimatory to Native American Indians”

          Hmmm … I’m still going on the assumption that based upon past polls a vast majority of Native American Indians said that the name was NOT a problem for them. (80% were OK with it at that time, iirc)

          It seems like it’s mostly non-Native American non-Indians are the ones who have a big problem with it, actually.

          That aside, I doubt the VAST majority of refs could give a deuce about the team’s nickname.

          (Btw I see hard-core “Redskins” hater Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk has taken to using that nickname again, both on the website and on NBC. If HE is back to using it, maybe the furor has passed! ;^} )

        • brucefan1 - Nov 23, 2015 at 6:49 PM

          Oh, and btw, IF any officials were ever discovered to be inordinately making calls prejudicial to the Redskins for ANY reason, including being biased against their name, that would mean the end of their careers.

          And as far as the NFL commissioner having “cozy relationships” with some owners over others, I think that was all pretty much shot to hell with the DeflateGate disaster! I mean, who was up Roger’s keister any farther than Bob Kraft — until THAT fiasco??!

          Anyway, wasn’t Goodell raised a Redskins fan by his Senator father? Go figger.

  9. greed - Nov 23, 2015 at 9:04 AM

    no doubt culliver play a bad call but a game changer in the 1st 2nd qtr in a one score /tie game , cmon man skins got to be mentally tougher than that , gruden has to keep team focused motivated after plays like that, kirk set the tone again on 1st drive int that he only plays well against bad defenses and is a turnover machine against gd ones , gruden and barry outcoached again

    • brucefan1 - Nov 23, 2015 at 9:10 AM


    • Mr.moneylover - Nov 23, 2015 at 11:10 AM

      I said that ever since the eagles games the kirk cousins and jay gruden loves can’t admit that that’s the truth…kirk cousins only good against bad defense…redskins need a defensive coordinator as head coach if they gonna take off jay gruden is simply not the right answer for this team…scot m. Want a team that fights not quit and that’s what they did yesterday witch is gonna make scot m. Decision more easy unless they go 8-8…8-8 buys you another year

  10. abanig - Nov 23, 2015 at 9:32 AM

    When Andre Roberts is the highlight of the day, you may have a problem…

    • Mr.moneylover - Nov 23, 2015 at 11:01 AM

      Agree and jay gruden hire of Joe Barry is looking more suspect…from Jim hasslet to Joe Barry and look pass wade Phillips who got the number 1 defense and is 3-2 against the patriots this goes back to me saying jay gruden decision making is flat out horrible and if this team gonna go anywhere they need a defensive coordinator as a head coach

      • John - Nov 23, 2015 at 11:11 AM

        Yeah but Phillips has a lot better talent to work with. Denver can get to the qb with 4. We can’t get pressure unless we blitz and our guys whiff a lot.

        • Mr.moneylover - Nov 23, 2015 at 11:24 AM

          Get rid of old Jason hatcher and maybe they can do better things that defensive line only push the o-line back two yards and stop

  11. timwillhide - Nov 23, 2015 at 9:52 AM

    I thought the penalty on the hit on their TE that nullified the touchdown was not a bad call. He elbowed him in the neck plain as day. The league is tryingto make the strike zone at the shoulders and bellow. By the letter of the rule it was the right call

    • hk2000 - Nov 23, 2015 at 11:00 AM

      You know? I was thinking the same thing, then I started seeing so much protests and complaints about it, I started doubting my eyes, but I think I agree w/you, and definitely it wasn’t the reason we lost.

      • timwillhide - Nov 23, 2015 at 11:56 AM

        Ya I thought for the most part the calls were warranted there is always gonna be a couple questionable calls but that was not one of them and the calls had nothing to do with the interception and 2 sacks fumbles that buried us

  12. berniebernard666 - Nov 23, 2015 at 10:26 AM

    any clue from anybody why the Redskins ALWAYS run the ball on first down in the first quarter. If I notice it then Defensive Coordinators also notice it and get ready for it. Perhaps this is why they NEVER have success in the running game in the first quarter.

    Also would like to know if it is mandatory for the Redskins to call a run play whenever they do throw on first down. This happens 9 out of 10 times in the first half of games. If I notice it then I am sure Defensive Coordinators notice it.

    I am calling the Redskins offensive AND defensive plays before the ball is snapped. I get it right about 4 out of 5 times. If I can do this I am pretty sure Defensive coordinators and Offensive Coordinators can do it. The Redskins are simply way too predictable and I don’t understand why I can see this and nobody in the Redskins organization can see it.

    Ya cannot tell everybody you are going to RUN the football, that is most important thing to your team……and then come out and ALWAYS run the ball on first down for the first 2 drives. Don’t ya think maybe if I can figure that out then Defensive Coordinators are also listening to your game plan Mr. Gruden.

    • Rich Tandler - Nov 23, 2015 at 11:51 AM

      In the first quarter this year on first down, 22 passes, 39 runs or 64 percent runs. NFL as a whole, 56% runs on first down in first quarter. So higher than the NFL average but not highly out of whack.

  13. Mr.moneylover - Nov 23, 2015 at 10:44 AM

    Coaches see the problem but they seem to can’t fix it…like I said a couple ago when players see coaches fighting for their players that makes players fight 10x harder…jay gruden shouldve had a reaction similar to Jim or john H. And maybe the refs would’ve think twice about making bad calls….the Jordan reed flag was simply a bad call…I actually like the fact that players spoke up that said we played against the panthers and refs…redskins ain’t get the calls in they favor simply cause their the redskins and the league don’t respect them

    • Mr.moneylover - Nov 23, 2015 at 10:53 AM

      Ask yourself the jay gruden and kirk cousins lovers do you think the refs would’ve made bad calls on Pete Carroll hell no because 60 year old Pete Carroll will run 60 yards down field to the refs to make sure they get the call right and not favor the home team…jay gruden dont have the kinda attitude to lead this team on the road…and kirk cousins is not a vocal leader witch is very important when you a QB of a franchise….they need to hold off on contract talk until after the season because he can go and lay a egg again next Sunday against the giants

  14. Mr.moneylover - Nov 23, 2015 at 11:31 AM

    We not getting to the playoffs because we can’t win on the road… Jay gruden got to get more mean and tougher on these players for that to happen …the three ppl calling plays is not working witch all the fans and media said won’t work

  15. colmac69 - Nov 23, 2015 at 12:07 PM

    Man o man the claws are out today after yesterday for sure…..time for a gd old coach/Qb bashing post methinks

    Let’s get realistic….game was bad after first qtr and offense/defense/coaching all take/share that responsibility……

    We weren’t xpected to win so loss not big surprise…getting blowing out maybe a surprise….however we played well for 59.55 mins and lost to fg on last play of game it’s still a loss no matter how you slice it up

    First half three plays that stood out….

    After 7-7 they got 2-22 after gd play by defense near goalline…nxt play 19 yrds then convert short third dwn…should bn a punt and we get ball midfield…they score on drive

    Second one was near int in end zone minutes after culliver play was rightly overturned…redskin player had it then another redskin knocked it out..they scored few plays later to go up 21-14

    Third one (which was one biggest plays)was the pen on reed that would gave us first goal from three…chances are its 28-21 ht and momentum with us…instead dodgy call then fum rec…fg and 31-14 ht

    Chances are we lose anyway if these plays go our way but just shows how two or three plays can alter how a game can change….

    We have bounced back from adversity a few times this season…no reason why we can’t do same nxt wk albeit it’s against giants

    Biggest worry after yesterday is health of Williams and reed

    • Mr.moneylover - Nov 23, 2015 at 12:42 PM

      If you think redskins got a chance to beat the giants that’s coming off their bye week I need to smoke what you smoking the playing calling is bad and we got a average QB in kirk cousins… Rg3 would’ve got slammed by the media today but when its kirk cousins they turn a blind eye…I think its a racial thing to be honest…when they sure up that O-line and put rg3 back their I bet rg3 can do the same thing kirk cousins does but better because rg3 never had a INT problem like kirk cousins did coming out of college…I seriously think this year is a groom year to prepare him for next year because their is no QB coming out of college that we can build a team around our QB situation could be worst if we get rid of rg3…can you trust colt McCoy he’s a running QB just like rg3 but smaller and gets hurt just as fast as rg3…ppl gotta look at all options instead of just saying get rid of rg3…and I’m pretty sure they would’ve had a QB on they practice squad if they was looking to move on from him to be honest…when ask is rg3 contract stopping him from playing a few weeks back jay gruden pause and said no witch I think it is and the fact that he doesn’t want to work with him

      • hail74 - Nov 23, 2015 at 12:51 PM


      • kenlinkins - Nov 23, 2015 at 2:46 PM

        Interesting insight (i.e. are the Redskins really done with RG3? listed as prove:1. No practice squad QB 2. McCoy is not the answer 3. No real help in the 2016 draft 4. No trade talk and RG3 still on the roster). While most Redskins fans and Football fans would say you are nuts after everything that has happened, I might ask what has really happened since the new GM got here (Other than RG3 almost getting killed in a preseason due a guy named Smith at LT) that would force the Redskins to feel that RG3 is a talentless bum? Right now the Redskins have no one signed for 2016 at QB. What if McCoy doesn’t feel he wants to stay in DC with so many teams needing a QB maybe he thinks he has a shot (or fighting for)a at starting spot somewhere. Would Cousins demand RG3 be let go before he signs with the Redskins (and if he did would you want a QB that does that?). While I am not saying it will happen or that it is likely to happen, I could see the new GM get to a point that he feels RG3 is the best option at back up QB (and if Gruden is to be believed he should have no problem with that as his position has been only that Cousins gives the Redskins the best shot at winning and he has no problems with RG3). It will be interesting to see just what other GM’s value RG3 at as a free agent and who the Redskins try and land as the back up. I am sure it will make for great reading here with the Pro and Anti RG3 fans. Are the Redskins done with RG3, I am not 100% sure.

        • goback2rfk - Nov 23, 2015 at 3:34 PM

          Rg3 is Definitely not done as a Redskins. More and more real sources including the Washington Post are saying they are going to try and keep Cousins and Rob on the rosters next year. Talks are beginning on how to work a contract that keeps Rg3 on the team. Rob will be back next year and he might even compete with Cousins in training camp for the starting role next year.

  16. bk70 - Nov 23, 2015 at 12:12 PM

    Thank-you Tress Way for positive punting yesterday. HTTR

  17. redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 23, 2015 at 12:46 PM

    The Redskins did, however, find themselves at a loss when asked to explain the spikes and plunges that take place on a weekly basis.

    “If I knew that, I’d fix it,” Coach Jay Gruden said. “I’ve got to do a better job of getting our team prepared, quite frankly. This is on me. We had too many penalties, turnovers, and these are things we have to get fixed.

    That’s how a head coach talks and sees a game. Fans should try doing the same.

    • hail74 - Nov 23, 2015 at 12:48 PM

      Of course that’s how he should talk after the game, doesn’t mean it’s 100% true.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 23, 2015 at 12:50 PM

        LOL! Okay so now you are telling Gruden it’s not a coaching issue that needs to be addressed.

        • hail74 - Nov 23, 2015 at 3:09 PM

          Who’s spinning words now? Everyone needs to accept the blame for a loss like that, just because the coach came out and rightly said blame me, doesn’t mean the players get a pass

        • hail74 - Nov 23, 2015 at 3:25 PM

          I guess we’re just of a different mindset name. When I do bad at work I don’t blame my boss for failing me. I learn from it and get better, but that’s just me.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 23, 2015 at 3:56 PM

          Of course each player is at fault for their own turnovers and mishaps. However, the question is where do you address this when it’s spreads to many players on both sides the field? The point I continue to stress is that the coaches are not doing something right in practice to prevent these mishaps. That’s a lack of preparation and whether that means more turnover and tackling drills; well I leave that up to coaching to work on with the players. If the team comes back next week and plays well then we can hope the issues were addressed. It would be nice to see consecutive wins at some point this season. The performance overall seems to have flipped flopped every week throughout the season.

        • hail74 - Nov 23, 2015 at 5:14 PM

          I agree with that, clearly they should just get back to basics in practice. Something in the preparation for road games needs to change. However I also think the team captains need to do more to fire the players up as well. Cousins as well. He needs to walk the sidelines in that game telling everyone it’s not over. Who knows maybe he did and it just wasn’t on camera.

        • abanig - Nov 23, 2015 at 5:19 PM

          It’s not a secret that the Redskins have lousy leadership from the HC to the players. Arguably Twill is a good leader but I don’t know how much he actually speaks up. He doesn’t seem to talk much.

          Cousins is like Jason Campbell. A quiet reserved guy most of the time. He’s not calling people out.

          I don’t see accountability like when Gibbs was here. Shanahan didn’t have much accountability either

  18. greed - Nov 23, 2015 at 12:52 PM

    Rich guess your right you have to be a pinpoint passer to hit a speed wr who blows past the defense guess D culpepper was amazingly accurate too throwing to randy moss , oh wait guess it was j reed fault for cousins being inacurate twice downfield against giants or he didnt crack yest. Across the middle with pressure in his face or pick six against falcons or bad pick against jets check the film most his int’s come downfield with pressure on him, funny with pressure in his face Cam a real franchise / starting qb threw a couple td’s and a handfull of completions. Clearly the bucs up 24-0 went to a softer zone which playf into kirk strength of dinkn and dunking and db off wr keeping wr infront of them ! So sorry for critisizing your quaterback but i call it like i see it and i see against pressure and on passes downfield that arent bombs to wide open recievers he is inacurate. The eye in the sky dont lie and most of the time stats dont either , thank you

    • timwillhide - Nov 23, 2015 at 1:10 PM

      Wow buddy you better be careful criticizing the ” Great White Hope” with this bunch. They will point to his wins against the Browns, Rams, Bugs, Saints, and mighty Philly as proof to his greatness. Lol

      • timwillhide - Nov 23, 2015 at 1:12 PM

        He accomplished these great feats in only 4 years mind you.Better than a Division Title any day

        • hail74 - Nov 23, 2015 at 3:29 PM

          And what has rg3 accomplished since then? If beating TB now who are 5-5 is nothing, what is losing to them when they finished as the worst team in league? Oh wait, last year it was everyone’s fault but QB. In one year we fixed everything, but QB.

        • timwillhide - Nov 23, 2015 at 10:57 PM

          Cousins is playing with a better Pass Blocking Oline and TB are weaker on their Dline than last year. One of their former DEs is playing pretty good for the Falcons right now. TB when we played them this year was giving up at least a 110 passer rating to opposing QBs and they were beating us till they left their foot off our neck.

          Say the Teams Cousins beat out load once. Sounds ridiculous doesn’t it?

        • hail74 - Nov 23, 2015 at 11:38 PM

          My god Tim are you really saying that the 5-5 Bucs are worse than the 2-14 Bucs? Why is it so hard for you to admit that one reason the line looks so much better pass blocking is because of cousins and the quick pass game? How can they be so much better at pass blocking and so much worse at run blocking? Makes no sense, just like your hatred of cousins and gruden.

        • timwillhide - Nov 24, 2015 at 3:07 AM

          Jamison Winston is the reason the bicarbonate are playing better.

          If the major difference is the QB then why replace the right side of the line that was giving up all the sacks? Why Draft a Olineman at #5 why Draft 3 Olinemen.

      • hail74 - Nov 23, 2015 at 3:27 PM

        So people that think cousins presents with the best chance to win now are nothing more than racists? Get out of here with such ignorance, your better than that.

        • squawonthewarpath - Nov 23, 2015 at 7:04 PM

          That comment Tim made (great white hope) has to be one of the most audacious and classless statements I have seen on here in some time.

        • timwillhide - Nov 23, 2015 at 8:29 PM

          The guy is mediocre at best and every minor accomplishment against horrible defenses are praised. That’s why I wrote it it is ridicules.

        • hail74 - Nov 23, 2015 at 11:46 PM

          In 2012 Rob faced all of 3 top 10 defenses. Steelers,Panthers and bengals. We lost all 3. Did that stop any of us from singing his praises at the end of the season?

        • hail74 - Nov 23, 2015 at 11:49 PM

          Or 4, can’t forget the Seahawks game where he did get us out to a big lead early then should’ve come out, but that was at home in the playoffs, not on the road against undefeated teams.

        • timwillhide - Nov 24, 2015 at 3:10 AM

          He was also putting up good numbers even in his losses

    • hail74 - Nov 23, 2015 at 3:11 PM

      Yes if only he was as accurate as rg3, right? Like that pass to garçon in the preseason that was dead on? Garçon must have just run the wrong way. So to be clear every deep pass that bob throws was 100% but not cousins ‘s he was bailed out by the receivers.

      • timwillhide - Nov 24, 2015 at 3:13 AM

        I never said RG3 Never missed on a deep pass. But overall talent and skill set is far greater.

  19. Skulb - Nov 23, 2015 at 3:08 PM

    Just a note to the Hyperbole Society posting here: this was not a winnable game for this team. The panthers are too good and the Skins have too many issues with consistency and the running game. If they were going to lose a game in the back half of the season it was this one. The only thing that matters now is running the table on the division. They can even take two unofficial byes and lose to the Bills and Bears for all I care. Rest up and beat the division rivals and it’ll be enough for the playoffs.
    But then we have no business in the playoffs either. This is a rebuilding year and six wins is fine. We’ll be better equipped to contend properly after another draft and then hopefully real contenders in 2017. That is of course barring any more knee/jerk reactions by Snyder and the fan base.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 23, 2015 at 4:03 PM

      ” this was not a winnable game for this team. ‘

      That’s actually hyperbole above since any no NFL game is unwinnable. Anyway to your point; it’s not about winning or losing in this game. It’s about competing. The team was actually showing glimpses of moving the ball on Panthers but turnovers destroyed that momentum. It’s one thing to see a better team beat up by their superior talent. It’s another when a team is beating themselves with turnovers and penalties. When you are down 31 – 14 at half, there is no running game to execute. The running game existed and thrived last week because there was still a competitive game by halftime.

      • bangkokben - Nov 23, 2015 at 5:39 PM

        Your cart before the horse mentality when comes to the running game is hilarious if it wasn’t so sad. The game last week wasn’t competitive at halftime. The Redskins had won it. The run game was successful because the Saints defense is the worst and even then it wasn’t nearly as successful as the passing game. However, the fact that there was a semblance of a running game allowed the Redskins to use play action for big gains in the passing game. The Redskins all but abandoned the pass in the 2nd half making just 5 attempts in the 3rd quarter and ZERO in the 4th – not because it was successful – but because the game was over and “Jay the Merciful” didn’t run up the score. Unlike Carolina, he wasn’t throwing in the Red Zone trying to get his QB another TD pass. (6th TD for sole team record if Cam was successful.) Here are the run plays with the game within 7 points – or in other words, still competitive.

        1-10-WAS 21
        (14:03) 46-A.Morris up the middle to WAS 23 for 2 yards (59-L.Kuechly).
        1-10-WAS 36
        (12:44) 46-A.Morris left guard to WAS 34 for -2 yards (99-K.Short).

        1-10-WAS 46
        (9:14) 31-M.Jones left guard to WAS 44 for -2 yards (69-J.Allen).

        1-10-WAS 35
        (14:27) 31-M.Jones left end to WAS 33 for -2 yards (56-A.Klein).

        2-10-WAS 20
        (8:14) 31-M.Jones left end to WAS 22 for 2 yards (59-L.Kuechly). FUMBLES (59-L.Kuechly), RECOVERED by CAR-58-T.Davis at WAS 24. 58-T.Davis to WAS 24 for no gain (75-B.Scherff).

        That’s five UNSUCCESSFUL running plays with the game still “competitive.” Five runs for two net yards and one turnover. Compared to eight pass attempts for six completions 103 yards, a touchdown and an interception.

        You could also include Chris Thompson’s 1-yard gain on 2nd & four from the 50 on the Redskins’ last series of the half as well as Cousins’ 23-yard run that was called back plus the penalty (-six yards since it was from the spot of the foul). That would be seven unsuccessful runs with the score still competitive out of seven runs. Cousins was 4-5 for 29 yards, two first downs, and the sack strip fumble on the sixth pass play of that drive.

        The running game held the whole offense back WHILE the game was competitive. Once the game got out of balance, then utter collapse by the offense. Until then the offense was overcoming the poor running game as well as the turnovers.

        • goback2rfk - Nov 23, 2015 at 6:14 PM

          I was at the game up close. The Skins got Man-Handled at the line. They were simply roughed up and over powered. The Carolina Panthers are way to physical of a team for the Redskins. The Skins do not play well vs. Physical Teams. The offensive line looks like sh|t. They were getting pushed back the entire game. I noticed Cousins was glancing at the pass rush instead of looking downfield to throw. You could tell the Panthers pass rush had him shook.
          Lets get real Scott M. picked up Sherrif at the number 5 spot. Sure Sherrif has been good but not spectacular. Has he played well enough to deserve the number 5 pick?!?, so far, I would say no. He has been good, maybe close to great, but certainly not #5 pick spectacular. Trent Williams was a #4 pick lets not forget. Its very very early and Sherrif will have years to prove himself but does it look like he will be the next Trent Williams… probably not. Plus he gets thrown in at Guard and drafted as a tackle.
          I think at the end of the season Scott M. should get graded for his 1st years or drafts and free agents and so far it is not looking like anything spectacular. I am not doubting Scott, its just an observation.

        • bangkokben - Nov 23, 2015 at 6:23 PM

          I think the fact that all these rookies get a lot snaps tells you all you need – there isn’t/wasn’t someone better to play there or they would. That’s what it looks like when you’ve got young guys playing. Scherff is strong but rarely is the first off the ball. Rarely do you ever see him fire off the ball and get into his guy and then move him. You see the other guy get into Scherff first. Then you gradually see him move his man if he doesn’t get beat at the go. I had hoped to see a change in this aspect by now.

      • Skulb - Nov 24, 2015 at 12:19 AM

        They hung their heads over a terrible call by the refs and gave up at half time. Clearly they are not ready top play good teams. They coul;d have won this game and they could have won the Pats game. The talent is there. The coaching and execution isn’t. Therefore it was highly unlikely that they would win the game.
        The Giants game is more winnable and ten times as important.

  20. bangkokben - Nov 23, 2015 at 3:20 PM

    So the Redskins have a 19% chance to win the division as a 4th seed…

  21. goback2rfk - Nov 23, 2015 at 3:46 PM

    Cousins is not going to play well when the team has 14 yards rushing. Cousins is not going to play well when he gets hit as soon as he drops back. Cousins is not an elite guy that can carry the team. He is a guy that makes hardly any money and makes some decent throws when the opportunity arrises. If Cousins gets pressured or he does not get the look he wants he fucckks up. Thats who he is. If the stars dont align for Cousins he screws up.
    A guy like Kirk needs good talent and good play around him. He reminds me of Jay Cutler a lot. Even reminds of Sexy Rex Grossman some. He is a game manager type of QB not a superstar talent that will carry the entire offense. We got more a lot more problems than the QB position. And Scott M. picks have not been that great, lets get real here. All this “In Scott we Trust” bullsh|t. I will believe it when I see it but so far his selections have been average at best.

    • John - Nov 23, 2015 at 5:09 PM

      Funny how everyone seems to think this team should be Superbowl ready every year. They can’t run the ball (5 games/200 yards). They don’t stop the run or pass. There have been enough games with bad special teams play. Yet it all falls on Cousins? How many “great qbs” are there? What’s the chance of us getting one? Scott M realizes getting a great qb via the draft is a crap shoot. There are none in free agency. So build around Kirk. He has his ups and downs like a lot of guys that have not had a long run of games. RG3 is done here. The defense lacks speed and the offense lacks a real playmaker. The receivers all have skills but are dependent on one another as none can make plays in a vacuum. Bill C schemed the run game but they need a big time center to make it work.

      Scott M and Gruden are on the same page. Without a overall talent upgrade things will be what they are. This is after all a 3 year rebuild in progress or did everyone forget that after drinking the kool-aid?

  22. colmac69 - Nov 23, 2015 at 5:51 PM

    What we are seeing are usual comments from the usual people when the redskins have bad game

    Same old stuff/blame coach/blame cousins/it’s a race thing regarding qbs/lack of tackling on coaches (look around people there lots bad tackling in league…are all coaches teaching same things?)

    When they win I rarely read from same people bout how gd the coaching was/how gd cousins with etc etc….it’s usually team we bt were horrible/we were xpected to win/their defense was bad etc etc

    Without doubt some on here want team to get bt so they can come on and rant about how the skins are worst team in league..get rid of everyone…..never come on and give balanced response…always negative crap

    Don’t nd to name posters as u don’t nd to b rocket scientist to figure out who I’m talking bout

    • goback2rfk - Nov 23, 2015 at 6:03 PM

      NFL is a what have you done for me lately type of sport. You can get praise 1 week and bad mouthed the next. There is only 16 games to play so each game means a lot. I give them praise when they do good and give them sh|t when they do not. I can tell you I want the Skins to Win regardless of who is the QB, coach, etc..
      I think you have a lot of fans that have been disappointed for a very long time. We are talking years and years of dismal play. There may be some resentment there because the only thing to really get excited about in this last decade was the Rg3 2012 rookie of the year campaign. Other than that this thing is a wash dude. Every year at least one of the Skins TV broadcasts gets cut off to a better game. That is just downright embarrassing. I think most people are waiting for the glory years to return and it is just not happening so we blame anyone and everyone. I put this mess all on Dan Snyders shoulders. Its his money so he can run it like he wants but damn he is got to be one of the worst owners in the NFL.

  23. bangkokben - Nov 23, 2015 at 6:44 PM

    For anyone ready to move on, the Redskins have a 21% chance to make the playoffs right now. If they lose Sunday, the Redskins’ chances go down to 5%. However, if they win on Sunday, their chances go up to 40%!

    This coming Sunday is where it all comes down to. A mediocre division opponent that our team has been inferior to recently at FedEx. So the Redskins can beat mediocre teams at home including the Eagles, but can they pull it off against a Superior coach and quarterback?

    • goback2rfk - Nov 23, 2015 at 7:38 PM

      I really hope we win but those pesky Giants just have our number. Although Cousins does seem to play better after some losses. The Giants have given Cousins all kinds of problems. I dunno, this one is a tough one.
      I am going to say 50/50 chance for a win on this one. Flip a coin, heads or tails.

  24. gasngo14 - Nov 23, 2015 at 7:20 PM

    FUNNY STUFF when we get beat by one of the hottest teams in the league the haters are smacking their gums on their keyboards… but when we win a game you don’t see them for a few days ….HA! Why don’t they go hope on the wagon somewhere else?

    • goback2rfk - Nov 23, 2015 at 7:41 PM

      I don’t think any true bandwagon fans would waste their time on a blog like this one. What you are getting is a group of people that are tired of getting beat all the time, that’s all it is gas. Disgruntled people. Kind of like going to work after your boss tells you the raise you want is not going to happen! And guess what, your taking a pay cut now also! Hang in there gas, the season is not over, and by next Monday morning we will be sitting in 1st place in the division.
      By the way, how is work going for you lately? Hope you have a nice holiday coming up! I bet you are goin gout at 4 AM on Black Friday to get you a new TV to watch those Skins play, eh?

  25. goback2rfk - Nov 23, 2015 at 8:41 PM

    Congrats to Bacari Rambo who is playing like a boss for the Buffalo Bills. Archives

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