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What would a Kirk Cousins contract extension look like?

Nov 17, 2015, 9:00 AM EDT


The Redskins have won two of their last three games, with quarterback Kirk Cousins playing a major part in the two wins. Cousins is a free agent at the end of the season and talk is starting to turn towards the possibility of the Redskins and the quarterback beginning discussions on a new deal.

According to reports, no talks have started between the Redskins and Mike McCartney, Cousins’ agent. Jay Gruden said yesterday that Cousins “is a guy we’d like to keep around.”

Cousins’ signed the standard four-year rookie deal after he was drafted in 2012. This year he is making the fourth-year veteran minimum salary of $660,000 this season. That’s great money for most of America but it’s not much for a starting NFL quarterback.

What would a Cousins extension look like? With seven games left in this, his first season the full-time starter, there are still a lot of variables. But barring either a total collapse or a Cousins-led run deep into the playoffs, we have a comparable deal that we can look at to get an idea.

Nick Foles, also drafted in 2012, recently got a contract extension from his current team, the Rams. He was traded from the Eagles to the Rams this past offseason. In Philadelphia Foles had one very good year as a starter. In 2013 he started 10 games, threw 27 touchdowns and just two interceptions, and posted an impressive passer rating of 119.2. That performance earned him a Pro Bowl selection.

He came back to earth in 2014, missing half the season with injuries and posting 13 touchdowns to 10 interceptions and a passer rating of 81.4.

Despite those pedestrian numbers, the Rams made the trade and got to work signing him to an extension. They agreed on a two-year extension that put a little more cash in his pocket this year (the last season of his rookie deal) and put him under contract through 2017. The two-year extension is worth $24.5 million with $13.7 million of that guaranteed. He can also earn up to $4.5 million in incentives and the last year of his contract can be voided by meeting performance benchmarks.

Foles’ deal also is fairly painless for the Rams to get out of after 2016 since all of the guaranteed money will have been paid out. That is relevant now because he has been benched, although Jeff Fisher said that Foles will return as the starter at some point.

There is a key difference between Foles’ situation prior to this season and the one the Redskins have with Cousins now. Foles had a year left on his contract so the Rams were giving him his payday early. That perhaps led to something of a hometown discount for the Rams.

At most, the Redskins will be buying out less than two months of free agency for Cousins and probably less than that. Between that factor and the fact that the salary cap will grow by some $10 million per team this year could push Cousins’ deal somewhat north of $12 million per year.

I don’t see it going too much higher than that, however, barring a tremendous run by Cousins and the Redskins over the last seven games. There has been speculation that Cousins could end up in the $17 million per year range, perhaps higher. But you won’t find any one-year starters who are making that kind of money. Quarterbacks with contracts averaging from $17-$18 million per year are the likes of Peyton Manning, Alex Smith, Matt Stafford, Tony Romo and Jay Cutler. That’s too high for Cousins, who will have 25 career starts under his belt at the end of the season.

The market is likely to force Cousins to take less per season than most starting quarterbacks will make (a deal averaging $12 million per year would rank 21st among quarterbacks) but he won’t sign a long-term deal at that price. And he will want some incentives and escalators in case he does outperform the contract.

Putting all of that together, we’re looking at something in the neighborhood of three years in the $35-$40 million range with about $15 million guaranteed. Throw in the possibility of adding a couple of million per year in incentives and make the third year void if Cousins plays well and you have the outlines of a deal.

Some of you who are not sold on Cousins as the answer for the future might think that $40 million is an outrageous amount of money to pay him. But quarterbacks are expensive and they are expensive because of simple economics—the demand exceeds the supply. If you don’t pay Cousins, the question becomes who do you pay? There is not a tree somewhere that a team can go to and grab a quarterback who can post a perfect passer rating in a game or lead three fourth-quarter comebacks in a four-game span including one from 24 points down.

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  1. hk2000 - Nov 17, 2015 at 9:52 AM

    Why have you been harping on this?? What if he stinks up the place in the last 7 games, or keeps this up & down & up & down trend? Do we really want to be stuck with his contract then? what if SM is not sold on this coach? And the next coach is not as dumb as Gruden? There are so many unknowns, let the season play out and if he lights it up then they should be happy to sign him to a much better deal because he would’ve earned it! until then, stop stirring the pot!!!

    • bangkokben - Nov 17, 2015 at 10:06 AM

      This is THE topic around town. No one is stirring the pot. This is typical. The same talk was “stirring” when Jason Campbell and the Redskins were 6-2. The Redskins waited then and then they had Vinny. The tail isn’t going to wag the dog. This is end of the season/off season speculation. No decision has to or will be made sooner than it needs to be. Settle down.

      • hk2000 - Nov 17, 2015 at 11:07 AM

        Rich’s last sentence tells me he’s very much sold on him and would rather the team make a move sooner rather than later. I say let him finish the season, and if he goes out and proves skeptics like me wrong, he will be getting a much better deal and the team would be delighted to pay him knowing that he got what it takes, but if he fails badly, well, go back to square one on both coach and QB.

        • bangkokben - Nov 17, 2015 at 11:13 AM

          Sold or facts? NOTHING will happen in the next month but the next month will be the determining factor.

          4-0 talks and likely contract before end of season; 2-2 wait and see and the last three games will determine the value; 0-4 and it’s draft talk.

        • hk2000 - Nov 17, 2015 at 11:35 AM


        • wvredskins - Nov 17, 2015 at 1:15 PM

          Well fella, look at what Cousins has done. He is going to be the Franchise QB for this team like it or Lump it. That is FACT in my book. Its not stirring the pot. What better options are out there?! Draft another QB coming out of college? Who in College right now will come in and do better than what Kirk is doing now? Get a QB in Free Agency? Who will that be>? Pull a possible Retired Manning out of Retirement? Get Nick Foles? There are not better options IMO. Sign Cousins to an extension and draft a QB to groom. If Cousins keeps improving and turns into a top 10 QB then Mike Shanahan looks like a Genius. If he does not pan out in the next couple years then we have a QB hopefully in the waiting. Like Rich said QB’s dont grow on trees.

        • Jane - Nov 17, 2015 at 5:21 PM

          HK2000 you are so right on!

          I hope the Redskins, now handled by an adult, Scot McCloughan, play this smart. No way should Kirk be offered anything until the year has played out.

      • Jane - Nov 17, 2015 at 5:16 PM

        I could not have said it better. Ditto! Ditto!! Ditto!!!

        • skins2881 - Nov 19, 2015 at 11:16 AM

          Just because there aren’t any much better options out there should not force SMC to overpay. I like Kirk however he has much more to prove. Worst case situation is slap a transition tag on him in the off season he makes a nice 1 year deal and gets another season before we have to commit long term to him. If then he plays at close to a pro bowl level then pay the man top 12 QB money. Let’s not forget both Garcon and Jackson could be gone next year which could hurt his development.

        • Rich Tandler - Nov 19, 2015 at 11:24 AM

          Why would give them a transition tag at a guaranteed $16 million when you could sign him for a few years for no more than about $20 million guaranteed.

    • 214hof - Nov 17, 2015 at 10:08 AM

      Sour grapes for breakfast this morning?

    • YOU LIKE THAT - Nov 17, 2015 at 10:13 AM

      Unlike Hk2000, I believe it would be in the Skins interest to sign him now. I believe a Tannahill prove it type contract would be best. It would tell the team we believe in this Qb, and he is our future to build around. It would let Kirk know he has a home with the Skins. And No longer needs to look over his shoulder. And to do it now, would save the Skins money rather than letting FA raise interest by other teams in need. As far as Cousins being up and down as you say. I see more up and a lot of room to grow. Calling Gruden dumb is just your ignorant attempt at whatever agenda you have..My eyes say this team has a great future coming in the next few years. Try being a real fan….

      • goback2rfk - Nov 17, 2015 at 10:31 AM

        Its hard for Rg3rd String fans to see Kirk get that new contract. Kind of seals the fate of the once superstar out of Baylor and 2012 rookie of the year Robert Griffin III. I am sure many Rob fans were hoping for a Cousins disaster that may open the door up for Griffin in the future.

        • hk2000 - Nov 17, 2015 at 10:50 AM

          This is typical of you and the other 2 guys above- all your responses are based on your presumptions you’ve made about other posters!!! There is nothing in my post that even hints of any consideration for anything other than Cousin’s own performance and the tie in he has to the coach, yet somehow YOU see it as a Griffin reference. And by the way I’m no fan of any player- only the team, but since you are a Cousins’ fan boy, others must be someone’s fans as well, right?

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 17, 2015 at 10:51 AM

          “ts hard for Rg3rd String fans to see Kirk get that new contract. ”

          If Kirk get’s a contract then fine but he SHOULD NOT get an elite QB salary. Rich provided what I believe is a basis for what Cousins might be signed for as a Redskins QB. And that’s only contingent on if Cousins finishes off the second half of the season with what we’ve seen in the last few weeks. If Cousins reverts back to average Joe performance with a conservative passing attack or reclaims his elite interception status then we shouldn’t even be discussing a starting QB contact for Cousins.

        • ET - Nov 17, 2015 at 2:16 PM

          “If Kirk get’s a contract then fine but he SHOULD NOT get an elite QB salary. Rich provided what I believe is a basis for what Cousins might be signed for as a Redskins QB. And that’s only contingent on if Cousins finishes off the second half of the season …

          Agree, but part of the point Rich is making acknowledges the high price of even a middling QB (which Cousins may turn out to be). There aren’t that many options available—whether or not one likes Cousins or a McCown brother or Buttfumble Sanchez or a college player, there aren’t too many viable candidates available.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 17, 2015 at 3:22 PM

          I agree that options are limited. Rich pointed out an example of a long term contract that best fits where Cousins price range may fall. However, some here are expecting a much higher offer for Cousins.

        • ET - Nov 17, 2015 at 4:56 PM

          Got it. We’re on the same page.

        • brucefan1 - Nov 17, 2015 at 7:26 PM

          “Its hard for Rg3rd String fans to see Kirk get that new contract.”

          As a die-hard Griffin fan, its not hard at all … IF Cuz earns it — and KEEPS earning it.

          Who mentioned Tannehill? Don’t we imagine there are many Dolphin fans who think they mighta jumped the gun on THAT deal (which averages $19mill a year! With 45M guaranteed.) now?

          And whatta about that fat deal for Kaepernick. Looks like the Niners are gonna flush that one soon, watch Kap walk away with his $61,000,000 guaranteed, and swallow that big 7mill dead cap space hit that it will leave them with.

          Even in Seattle you know that some are thinking they mighta paid too much, too soon for THEIR “next great thing” (at $21mill per year, with 61.5M guaranteed) with his play, as well as the team’s, slipping this season! (Not to mention his “halo” tarnishing a tad.)

          Hopefully cooler heads prevail when this all shakes out and its time to talk numbers in DC. I imagine they will — and I also doubt that Cuz’s results will warrant the Skins having to do anything they might come to regret later.

          And last but not LEAST, who the heck is talking about Robert Griffin in regards to the Redskins these days but you, goback. He’s yesterday’s news.

        • hk2000 - Nov 17, 2015 at 7:59 PM

          Great post Bruce! See my comment above- This guy bases every comment he makes on a primitive mindset he’s got that divides the Redskin fans into 2 camps, and if you say ANYTHING even remotely not flattering about Cousins- and by extension about Gruden, then you must be a Griffin lover, and he takes it from there- There are a few like him on here!!

        • skinsgame - Nov 17, 2015 at 10:30 PM

          Bruce, Kap only gets the $61 mill if he’s injured. He won’t be injured riding the pine like he is.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 17, 2015 at 10:46 AM

        “It would tell the team we believe in this Qb, and he is our future to build around. ”

        You are WAY ahead of yourself on this QB situation. Cousins has not proven anything to suggest building a team around.

        No freaking way we should sign the type of contract below for Cousins

        “The deal is worth $96 million, including $45 million in guaranteed money, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.”

        • bangkokben - Nov 17, 2015 at 11:00 AM

          Ryan Tannehill signed a four year contract extension with the Miami Dolphins worth $77 million in new money. The contract contains $21.5 million fully guaranteed upon signing. The guarantee is made up of an $11.5 million signing bonus and his 2015 and 2016 base salaries. Tannehill’s 2017 salary is guaranteed for injury, with $3.5 million becoming fully guaranteed on the 5th day of the 2016 League Year and the balance becoming fully guaranteed on the 5th day of the 2017 League Year. $5.525 million of his 2018 salary is also guaranteed for injury and becomes fully guaranteed on the 5th day of the 2018 League Year. Miami increased his 2015 cap charge by $842,477 with the extension but decreased his 2016 charge by $4.515 million.

          I actually prefer an Andy Dalton type contract – PROVIDED HE CONTINUES TO PLAY AT HIS CURRENT LEVEL FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON. if he doesn’t there is no reason to offer this contract. Again, the key is the guaranteed bonus money; a lower number allows the team to move on quicker should the player suddenly become Jake Delhome or Matt Schaub.

          QB Andy Dalton signed a six year, $96 million contract extension with the Cincinati Bengals on August 4, 2014. All details of the contract extension currently come from Pro Football Talk. Dalton received a $12 million signing bonus and a $5 million roster bonus upon signing the contract, to bring the total guarantee on the contract up to $17 million. On the third day of the 2015 League Year, Dalton will receive a $4 million roster bonus. Dalton will be eligible for $200,000 in annual workout bonuses as well as potential escalators that can increase the total value of the contract to $115 million. The escalators will be triggered by various levels of playoff success.

        • Rich Tandler - Nov 17, 2015 at 11:47 AM

          That deal went to a three-year starter who had been to the playoffs three times. Cousins will be shorter term, less $$.

        • bangkokben - Nov 17, 2015 at 12:07 PM

          Rich, I agree is Should be based on what you stated but suspect, should Cousins continue to improve, that the current economic conditions will push the contract closer to those numbers than Foles numbers. It’s not like McC didn’t throw money at Matt Flynn after one good game – maybe he doesn’t deserve all the “credit” for the Flynn contract. (Three years $20.5M and $9M guaranteed in 2012. That would’ve put Flynn around 17th in 2012.) 17th next year will be around the $16M range. You’ll probably be right.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 17, 2015 at 11:37 AM

          Thanks for the details!

          Yes, a Dalton type contract would be ideal. It looks cap friendly with a small portion being guaranteed money and I’m even surprised Dalton gambled on a performance incentive salary that is tied to playoffs since no one player can carry a team beyond the regular season. It looks like he gambled right on this case.

          I’d be happy to see a large contract for Cousins as long as it is heavily dependent on player performance or if the significant portion of the money is back loaded that requires the team to retain them in order to receive the bulk of the actual salary.

          I hate the guaranteed money that follows injury. However, I completely understand why any player would push a salary that has some guaranteed money tied to it. I’d do the same if I was a NFL player.

          In the end, if Cousins is a success this season then I’d want him to be compensated nicely with a long term contract, but the team can’t risk cap strapping the organization with an excess of guaranteed money or money that is front loaded to the player’s advantage. Just looking at Foles’ season this year is a great indicator of how a franchise QB takes years of success before one is establish.

      • wvredskins - Nov 17, 2015 at 1:17 PM

        I 100% agree with your comment! Gruden is looking smarter and smarter as the season goes on PERIOD

      • Tony Robinson - Nov 19, 2015 at 10:59 AM

        Fans have a right to opinion and I’m not all in on signing any qb who has 1 NFC east win to a long term extension are we kidding ourselves he’s played well in games and flat out thrown away others… Gruden and Kirk have both had moments of promise and also awful ones and tbh with a name like “you like that” what type of agenda do you have cmon we have had qbs show flashes and then for whatever reason it doesn’t pan out I say let’s take the wait and see approach. I am a rg guy and I honestly feel like we didn’t fully invest in him like we should’ve I understand the injuries and ppl not liking his ego but he showed brilliance in 12 that had us all believing that we would be Super Bowl contenders until he was injured. The knee jerk reactions we have in the team has been insane let’s develop some guys and see what we have at end right now Kirk in my opinion reminds me of Trent dilfer a game manager short passes and try not to lose the game Jay doesn’t seem to be stretching the field much with him and we saw Andy dalton doing lot more deep passing plays

        • Rich Tandler - Nov 19, 2015 at 11:22 AM

          I would be nice to have a bigger sample size to work with. But in seven games the Redskins are going to have to decide if they want to pay Cousins or go back into the world of trying to find a new quarterback.

      • Jerry king - Nov 19, 2015 at 9:03 PM

        You could not of said that better.They said it would take more than one season.But I beleive they are heading in the right direction with it .Go ahead and secure him and beef up around him on both sides.No one (and even most of the so called fans) has had anything good to say or have no faith . Already looking better than last season.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 17, 2015 at 10:42 AM

      I think Rich outlined it nicely by detailing Foles’ contract. The reason is Foles posted a whole season of great numbers and still struggled the following season. There could be many reasons for that moving to a new team and system. However, the contract was still somewhat inexpensive for the Rams in the long run. So to Rich’s point this is probably the direction the team would or even should go with Cousins on a contract extension if he continued to show progress and demonstrate excellent control of the offense for the remainder of the season. In a worst case scenario, if Cousins bombs going into the other half of the season then it’s easy decision; find another Quarterback to build on as the team’s starter.

      This season won’t prove Cousins is elite nor will it prove he is the franchise QB for this team as others hastily want to claim. It’ll only access his value for a possible contract signing. Whatever that signing should be it should not be loaded with guaranteed money (i.e. see Rams extension to Foles above).

    • Rich Tandler - Nov 17, 2015 at 11:53 AM

      How about if you see a headline of an article that clearly states the topic and you think it’s “stirring the post”, skip the article? And the comments! Especially the comments since it looks like you skipped the article anyway.

      • hk2000 - Nov 17, 2015 at 8:17 PM

        Oh I read the article, and as I mentioned many times before, I enjoy reading your articles, even though I disagree with many, I know you’re a Redskin fan and no matter what, you state your opinion, but we’re allowed to state ours as well, no? It is my opinion that when it comes to this town’s teams, a lot of things (dramas, controversies,…etc) start small and snowball, I simply don’t want this to become one of those because IMO, it is not warranted yet.. Reading through a lot of comments here, the majority seem to agree that this needs to wait- Fan boy opinions not withstanding.

    • thirdistheworrd - Nov 17, 2015 at 12:43 PM

      “What if he stinks up the place in the last 7 games, or keeps this up & down & up & down trend? Do we really want to be stuck with his contract then? what if SM is not sold on this coach? And the next coach is not as dumb as Gruden?” That sounds extremely rhetorical.

      This question all boils down to how much you, as a fan, trust Scot. But this whole discussion is fairly moot because nobody can see what he’s thinking, but he has promised a playoff berth in 2016 so I can’t see sweeping changes the year before that. What I do see is 1. A fairly weak draft class at quarterback 2. likely spending the next five years of my life watching another bust Redskins quarterback crash and burn; and 3. Kyle Orton. Those are your options Hk2000.

      What I would prefer to see is some consistency– I don’t think Cousins will win a Super Bowl, but he is the kind of player who we can build a team around while not being the laughing-stock of the NFL. The issue Rich didn’t touch on is who else will pay Kirk like that? If Kyle Shanahan gets a head-coaching gig, I could see him making a push to bring in his old buddy, but other than that I don’t see a lot of teams ready to drop stacks on him. So the question is how much will we have to pay him, given the competition for his services, which could definitely be less than Rich estimates.

      • bangkokben - Nov 17, 2015 at 1:25 PM

        Here’s the list of teams that don’t have a bonafide starter for 2016:
        San Francisco

        Here are the teams that have an aging and oft injured starters without an heir apparent:
        Denver (Brock Osweiler could be that guy)

        Here are the guys that could be available:
        Sam Bradford
        Ryan Fitzpatrick
        Kirk Cousins,
        Robert Griffin III
        Colin Kaepernick

        Some of these teams may determine their guy before free agency and a couple of teams may find themselves in good draft position. All it takes is two teams for a bidding war. Free agency begins in March.

    • Skulb - Nov 17, 2015 at 6:51 PM

      Nobody is going to take you seriously when you present your opinions as fact. There is no trend because Kirk has nine games as the team’s starter. And nobody with any position within the organization considers Gruden “dumb”.
      The obvious reason it’s a topic is that Kirk is FA after this season and might well leave unless the Skins blow a tag on him. And who wouldn’t want to leave with this unsupportive and unreasonable fan base? The only way most fans will deserve Cousins is if he actually stinks. Fortunately for whoever signs him next season he doesn’t stink. The more I read comments like yours though the more convinced I become that I can look forward to seeing Cousins win a Superbowl for another team while we’re stuck in yet another moronic QB carousel of some sort, still unable to reach the playoffs.
      The fan base, and traditionally the FO, does not recognize talent if it put up a 200 foot tall neon sign reading “Get talent here!”. So obviously we don’t deserve it.

    • rcjur - Nov 18, 2015 at 1:07 PM

      Cousins has looked good due to Gruden. All those short passes paid off well for him against terrible defense in Saints. Team should wait til end of season and tag Cousins even if he goes back to stinking up which I expect when the division games really begin for playoff positioning. Gruden and Cousins is smiling now but they have a real good chance in 3 weeks to be on a 3 game losing streak with lots of interceptions than touchdowns, and then this premature talk of new deal will be dead.

      • bangkokben - Nov 18, 2015 at 3:21 PM

        Is that what your hoping for or just thinking it might? And if you think that it might, why? Because of Cousins past performance? The superior opposition? Suppose you are half right – Cousins throws picks but plays fairly well and the team loses the next three games, who then is a better option for next year?

    • skins2881 - Nov 19, 2015 at 11:04 AM

      Even if he finishes the season and plays above average, he is still truly an unproven product. I would think something in the range of 3 yrs. and 25 million w/ escalators and only 12 mill in guaranteed money. This allows him to earn a large payday in 3 years in his prime also offer a 4th year mutual option in the range of 14 million with a 1 mill by out. Gives flexibility for both sides and shows a commitment from both parties.

      • Rich Tandler - Nov 19, 2015 at 11:20 AM

        If you’re going to talk about offering Cousins a deal at a $8 million base over three years you might as well just say let him go. He would be the lowest-paid starter in the league, with the exceptions of some on their rookie deals and a couple of older guys like McCown and Fitzpatrick (who actually signed to be Smith’s backup).

        A deal like the one you’re talking about is not a “large payday” in the world of starting NFL quarterbacks. In fact, it qualifies as chump change.

        So if you want to say “let him go” that’s fine. But that’s what you’re doing if you talk about much less than about $12 million per year).

        • skins2881 - Nov 19, 2015 at 11:32 AM

          Base of 8 with performance escalators that could reach 12 per year. If it will take 40 + over 3 years to keep him then unless play plays lights out and the skins make the playoffs its a large gamble. That’s why I also say transition tag which would be a 1 year prove it deal which pays well gives him the opportunity to shop around test the market and if the price is to much if we are not 100% sold we then get a 1st & 3rd? Then use those picks to pluck Jay Cutler and draft a prospect. My point is to not mortgage the future when I don’t believe anyone is 100% sold he is/ or will be a franchise QB. DO we think he is Schaub or Farve? He might be closer to Trent Green who the skins let walk after 1 fair season, even then it still took him a few years to become that QB, yes a broken leg and Kurt Warner played a role.

        • Rich Tandler - Nov 19, 2015 at 4:12 PM

          There is no compensation if you don’t match a transition tag. So you might want to brush up on what you’re talking about.

          And he won’t sign for a base of 8 million. It simply is not a reasonable salary.

          And on a $150 million salary cap, 3 years, $40 million with $15-$20 guaranteed is not mortgaging the future. The will set it up so that they can get out with some pain after one year and minimal pain after two.

  2. Douglas Ferguson - Nov 17, 2015 at 10:00 AM

    in the words of Deion Sanders,”Pay that man!”

  3. bangkokben - Nov 17, 2015 at 10:02 AM

    Good work, Rich! I suspect he’ll be closer to $17M than $12M because the supply is shrinking and the demand is growing in addition to the cap increasing provided he continues to play at the level we’ve seen recently.

    • goback2rfk - Nov 17, 2015 at 10:34 AM

      Congrats to Kirk who is fixing to get out of grandmas mini van and into a new set of wheels. I am thinking Lambo or Porsche for the Spartan Legend Captain Kirk “franchise” Cousins.
      And Rg3, I must ask, DO YOU LIKE THAT?!?!

    • sidepull - Nov 17, 2015 at 2:41 PM

      $17M was my guess too.

    • rcjur - Nov 18, 2015 at 1:11 PM

      Keep dreaming. Cousins will revert back to what he really is when he plays the good teams, and be tagged and sold for draft picks. This guy will never take this team to a SuperBowl. He doesn’t have the arm strength and certainly ain’t tough enough which we will see if he is that for the rest of the season. Don’t believe the hype.

      • bangkokben - Nov 18, 2015 at 2:36 PM

        We if you say so, it must be true. You’ve based your opinion on what exactly? Your perception of arm strength? He certainly doesn’t have Kyle Boller’s, Mike Vick’s, or Vince Young’s but no less than Brady’s or Brees’.

        I never suggested he’d lead this team to a Super Bowl; simply put a value on his contract IF he continues on his current pace. As for toughness, definitely not as tough as Robert Griffin but probably as tough as Eli Manning.

        Biggest question I have for you is: why are you so invested in Kirk Cousins’ failure?

  4. goback2rfk - Nov 17, 2015 at 10:09 AM

    Its early, however, Cousins has certainly earned a place on the team even if it ends up being the number 2 guy. I want to see Cousins stay around regardless but I do not see anyone worthwhile to replace him in the future. Doubtful next years draft pick will be high enough to grab a QB and there is a shortage of decent QB’s.
    I am looking at something like 3 years 30 million with 12 million guaranteed regardless of how he finishes the season. Lets see what he can do against a top defense in the Panthers.

    • ET - Nov 17, 2015 at 2:50 PM

      Next draft seems like a good one to pick up a mid-round developmental guy, especially if Cousins seems sound enough to guide the team for a few years. Teams have done a TERRIBLE job developing young QB talent in recent years. There aren’t too many Andrew Luck-type players who can step in and take the reins immediately. Time to acknowledge that most QB prospects need a lot of nurturing.

  5. gonavybeatarmy - Nov 17, 2015 at 10:38 AM


    This is a little off topic, but since the head coach just yesterday indicated that the Skins would like to retain Cousins when is it reasonable to assume Griffin’s exit ramp begins?

    The Skins a week before Thanksgiving are in a division race, and keeping Griffin on the roster at this point makes no sense. Could you see a scenario with the Skins releasing Griffin and signing Evan Spencer off Tampa Bay’s practice squad? He’d add depth to the special teams and could make the team as a receiver if/when they release Roberts and/or Jackson in the offseason?

    • goback2rfk - Nov 17, 2015 at 10:51 AM

      I like that idea a lot. Have a good one Rob.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 17, 2015 at 11:47 AM

      Evan Spencer???

    • Rich Tandler - Nov 17, 2015 at 11:50 AM

      It makes perfect sense to keep Griffin since they are paying him anyway. If they are in a playoff hunt and the other 2 QBs are hurt, he will come in very handy.

      I’m fine with getting Spencer back but there are plenty of other ways to clear a roster spot. They currently have six cornerbacks plus Kyshoen Jarrett on the 53. They could cut Dunbar to make a spot for Spencer.

  6. Stephfan - Nov 17, 2015 at 11:05 AM

    He doesn’t deserve a contact… What has he really done to deserve it? Nothing but beat 3 horrible teams. So that warrants a new contract… That’s laughable. Be realistic people

    • bangkokben - Nov 17, 2015 at 11:14 AM

      How much of Sunday’s game did you watch? Any? If so, at what point did you turn the TV off?

      Stephfan = not a ‘skins fan.

    • mjthomas85 - Nov 17, 2015 at 4:21 PM

      While it’s true that Cousins hasn’t beaten a serious contender, you haven’t seen the team give him a contract yet. Additionally, the team will at some point have to roll the dice on Cousins, if they want to keep him around.

      The point being made here is that he can be given a team friendly contract in terms of guaranteed money, but a Cousins friendly contract in terms of incentives. If he produces and wins next year, the team would be happy to pay him $16 million plus.

      For example, as others have said, you could give him a 2 year $30 million deal with $10-12 million in guaranteed money. If after two years he hasn’t progressed (or regressed) you draft a QB that will have the benefit of draft picks being spent on other roster spots.

    • Skulb - Nov 17, 2015 at 7:04 PM

      He is a top 15, top ten-ish QB after nine games starting. Come March you’ll have 5-10 teams trying to get him if the Redskins don’t. Your subjective little opinions do not matter. His stats apparently matter, and every FO in the NFL is capable of looking at them. Unless the Redskins FO blows it Kirk is the guy going forward for at least the next three seasons, but realistically until he retires. I seriously doubt whether there’s even one person in the organization who doesn’t feel this way, at least among the football people. Hopefully they will prevail this time.
      Anyway, since you ignore stats I take it that you also ignore any other parameters of judging talent and potential. Allow me to enlighten you:

      1: Kirk has scored a TD in each of his first nine games as a starter. The first QB to do this since Joe Theisman. Remember him?

      2: Kirk has led four game winning/game tying drives in nine games. This was one of an endless litany of things people were insisting he would never be able to do this PS. People were saying that he got jittery under pressure. Remember that?

      3: Kirk has started and finished four games without any interceptions. About half of his 9 interceptions were not his fault. This was also impossible according to some people, yourself included, back in August.

      4: Kirk is at the moment the fourth most accurate QB in the NFL. People would pay for that alone.

      5: Kirk has avoided collapsing due to poor play. After a rough start to the Giants game he managed to play confidently in the second half. Yet another thing it was allegedly impossible for him to do.

      6: Kirk has managed to play well with the entire offense playing incompetently around him without showing any signs of letting it faze him. This was of course also impossible according to you.

      7: The team likes him and he is leading them. This is an intangible people were of course saying he was lacking before the season. He is not lacking this intangible.

      Your opinions haven’t changed since last year and seem impervious to reality. no matter what happens on the field you keep repeating the same garbage. Nothing good is Kirk’s work and everything bad is his fault. Some fan you are.

      • skinsgame - Nov 17, 2015 at 10:38 PM

        Hear hear.

  7. goback2rfk - Nov 17, 2015 at 11:14 AM

    New Reports Coming Out from the Washington Post “The Post believes the likely outcome could be using the franchise tag on Cousins while the Redskins work out the future of Griffin. It is clear which player Gruden favors more and now Washington is tasked with making it work.”

    Likely Cousins gets the Franchise Tag and they somehow try to keep Rob around?

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 17, 2015 at 11:53 AM

      “Likely Cousins gets the Franchise Tag and they somehow try to keep Rob around?”

      Why would anyone want to do that to either QB or this team?

  8. 226thebeatdontstop - Nov 17, 2015 at 11:15 AM

    Let’s pump the brakes and let me preface my comments by saying the following: I am a Redskins fan an bleed burgundy and gold

    The Saints are horrific I believe last statistically defensively in the league.

    The Redskin offense did what was expected in destroying the Saints..

    Before extending Cousins or anybody anything Cousins and this team must prove they can beat good teams,that test comes Sunday, Carolinas defensive is for real on all phases from defensive line, to linebackers ,corners and safeties…
    My gut says the Carolina defense shuts the Redskin offense down so its great being on an emotional high beating the Saints but what will the commentary be when the Redskin offense gets shut down,?

    The Redskins defense will not stop the run against Carolina nor can they stop their tightend, or the play making of Cam Newton.

    Bottom line Redskin Nation pump the brakes..The Giants also tend to embarrass us so extending Cousins is premature ,he wilts if he has to make off schedule plays..

    • bangkokben - Nov 17, 2015 at 11:41 AM

      I’ll agree that SIGNING Cousins to a long-term deal today is premature; talking about it IS NOT.

      The saints are horrible, the ‘skins could’ve put 60 on them Sunday. The game was 27-14 at half and the Redskins won the game stopping the Saints on 4th and 1 at their own 31 after the first drive in the 3rd quarter.
      In the 2nd half Cousins was 3 for 5 for 29 yards and 1 TD. Two drives 10 points, 8 rushes, and 5 pass attempts. The Redskins DID NOT ATTEMPT a pass in 4th Quarter. They got the ball at the Saint 21 and did not throw it once for another FG after the pick 6.

      Were you expecting the Redskins offense to destroy the Saints? I don’t remember seeing your comments prior to the game indicating anything like that. If fact I recall something similar to what you just wrote about the Panthers and Giants. Child Please!

      Again, how many of the other nine QBs that faced the Saints had a perfect passer rating? ZERO. Cousins and the offense were ready to go toe-to-toe with Drew Brees only the Saints couldn’t keep pace.

    • Rich Tandler - Nov 17, 2015 at 11:42 AM

      So, in the next seven games Cousins can’t “prove” he can beat a good team, what do the Redskins do? Should they go locate that magical tree that is packed with quarterbacks who have “proven” they can beat good teams? Oh, that’s right, there’s no such thing.

      If you don’t want to sign Cousins to an extension, fine. What’s the “proven” alternative?

      • hk2000 - Nov 17, 2015 at 11:59 AM

        If he can’t prove he can beat a good team, you STILL want to extend him?? Really? Why? Then again, it may not be his fault, as in the NE game where he never had a chance with all the drops, but if the Gruden/Cousins combo start losing from here on out, then we need to move on- at least from Gruden. And WE don’t have to offer the alternative, that’s why we have a GM, isn’t it?

        • hail74 - Nov 17, 2015 at 3:21 PM

          What constitutes a good team since the bar keeps being reset depending on if the opposing team lost to us or not? Last week some naysayers were saying the NO game was a certain loss, only now they are saying it was nothing special. Only the panthers, Giants and bills have a winning record. We beat panthers it will be because they only good team they beat was the struggling packers. We beat the Giants it’s because there no good and the whole nfceast sucks. We beat the bills and it’s because there overrated and not that good.

        • mjthomas85 - Nov 17, 2015 at 4:27 PM

          Yes. You sign him to a two or three year deal with lots of incentives and few guarantees. If he develops into a true starter then we are in a good position. If he doesn’t, you don’t lose much money, and move on at the end of year two or three by drafting a QB.

          Even if he is only average over the next two to three years the Redskins come out on top. In the interim, you’ve had a full compliment of early draft picks being spent on other positions of need, build depth all around the roster, and are poised for drafting a new QB that will inherit a team with a solid defense/offense/special teams.

        • Skulb - Nov 17, 2015 at 7:14 PM

          Well he beat St Louis, which at the time was touted as a good team. As soon as the Skins beat them with Kirk as the QB though they were unceremoniously demoted to a bad team, presumably so the narrative of Bad Cousins could be maintained. The Eagles were supposed to be a Superbowl team this year but were also demoted after being defeated by the Skins. Again, the Myth of Bad Cousins lives on!
          So naturally Carolina will be a good team only if they beat the Skins. if they lose they must secretly have been a bad team. Otherwise Bad Cousins could not have gotten a win over them. If the Skins had beaten the Patriots the Patriots would have been bad too and the win wouldn’t really have counted.

          So that;s why nobody cares about any of this subjective trash people keep rolling out to drag Cousins down to where they think he belongs. The Bucs beat Dallas, the Rams beat Arizona and Seattle, the Saints beat the Giants and Philly beat the Jets. Clearly these are bona fide NFL teams and obviously defeating them counts.

      • YOU LIKE THAT - Nov 17, 2015 at 2:50 PM

        I love it Rich, If that tree did exist, this would really be a parody league. But since it don’t. Signing Kirk now would be the smartest move Skins could make. No he does not need Elite monies, but he needs to be locked down. Redskins name I see your attitude changing with your comments on this kid. Rich is right and so am I, kirk is workable at worst. I think it would be foolish not to extend. Dalton type of contract or Tannehill, I don’t care. Just get thisvkid locked up….

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 17, 2015 at 3:50 PM

          “Redskins name I see your attitude changing with your comments on this kid. ”

          The attitude is not changing at all! If you really new my history on Kirk then you’d know I have stated he has the potential to be a starting NFL QB. I’ve stated this not only in preseason but for years. Just because I didn’t like his performance earlier in the season doesn’t mean I wasn’t a supporter of him. I criticize any player when I’m not happy with their performance. I don’t Kowtow to them just because I may have shown support for them in the past.

          I agree Rich is right about the contract in a similar structure of Foles. I don’t agree it should be in a similar structure Tannehill. That’s too much guaranteed IMO.

        • YOU LIKE THAT - Nov 17, 2015 at 4:42 PM

          I just came aboard. You seemed biased at first glance. But I feel ya, maybe warming up to you.

        • gasngo14 - Nov 17, 2015 at 7:00 PM

          hey nameishere you never supported Captain Kirk until this year when you had no choice when he was handed the keys and even then you were a harsh critic for the most part! Now you see you have little choice so YES your ‘attitude is changing with your comments on this kid” :)) Be real and true to yourself for a change!!

      • skinsgame - Nov 17, 2015 at 10:42 PM

        Yes, Rich. That tree is right next to the tree where the team will find the magical 6′-4″ 237 lb WR that eludes about 28 franchises currently.

        • bangkokben - Nov 18, 2015 at 3:17 PM

          The Rob Gronkowski tree is on the other side.

      • Tony Robinson - Nov 19, 2015 at 11:29 AM

        Rich we have to develop players period and whether they keep Cousins long term or not reality is most good players are lucky enough to have stability in organization and can stick around to learn scheme to where it becomes 2nd nature skins don’t offer that type of stability or consistency whether it was cousins or Griffin our fanbase and fo don’t take time or are willing to invest in players long enough to see them develop I’m tired of watching players he had go flourish elsewhere

    • hk2000 - Nov 17, 2015 at 11:51 AM

      I agree about pumping the brakes, I don’t know, the defense looks decent to me.. if they keep it up, as they did when they held a very good offense to 14 points and in NE game where, considering the overall performance, they kept it relatively close but our players were so scared it’s like they were seeing ghosts!! I’m not convinced our offense can be any good against a good defense like the Panthers’, I f Cousins is 75% as good as he was against the Saints, that will go a long way towards changing our mindset of him. Like many reasonable people believe, by end of season, it will be clearer as to what the team should do.

      • Skulb - Nov 17, 2015 at 7:19 PM

        The problem is that if you wait that long he might be gone unless you franchise him. That’s why this has now become an issue mid season. Kirk is breaking franchise records left and right and it must seem very obvious to Scot and the rest of management that they have to find a way to keep him around at least for next year if they want to be competitive.
        Bad QBs don’t break franchise records normally. Well except in Chicago of course.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 17, 2015 at 12:16 PM

      The offense needs to be credited when they do excel against a bad defense. However, the Redskins offense wasn’t expected to have that level of success on Sunday. The offense struggled in the first half against the Bucs, produced only 10 points against the Patriots, and the run game hasn’t been productive since beating the Eagles. I myself stated Cousins should perform well against this defense. I think he slightly eclipsed that with a very good performance. In terms of managing the offense he was excellent. The YACs were a huge part of the passing game but Cousins still deserves credit for his execution of the offense. Overall, the offense performed how good and great offenses perform against bad defenses. So I think that is encouraging for both the team and Cousins.

      Yes, some fans here should be pumping the breaks. Otherwise; if those fans had their way and just after maybe three games worth of promising play; we’d have Cousins signed with a salary where he could afford to be Brady’s neighbor and co-owner of the next NFL franchise.

      Finally, there is no harm in speculating the direction a contract may go if Cousins continues to improve. I thought Rich outlined a very possible scenario.

      • Skulb - Nov 17, 2015 at 7:35 PM

        There have been encouraging signs pretty consistently I think. In the first eight games all three phases have performed well, but never at the same time and not for a full game. Against the Saints it all finally came together for four quarters and I think we saw how good the team potentially is here. If nothing else they now know how good they are and they have the proof on tape. There’s a lot of work left to be done when it comes to consistency and keeping form on the road etc, but you have to start somewhere. Starting with a dominant home record is the obvious choice to me. If you can win all your home games that’s 8/8 right, and sometimes that’s enough to win the NFC East.
        Cousins has nine games of promising play now. He has met and responded well to all his past demons. I know most anti-Kirk “fans” probably missed it, but the Patriots game was magnificent in one very simple way: Kirk’s performance was good even with receivers dropping all his passes. He never freaked out, never lost confidence in himself or his teammates and never tried to force things to catch up. That was a very important test for him and he passed it with flying colors. And he followed that big defeat up with a historically good home game against a Saints team that was a top 5 attack coming in, for all the cricket chirp about how bad they are. Anyway, losing against the Patriots clearly didn’t affect either Kirk or the team negatively and they came out firing on all cylinders the following week. That Saints team beat Dallas, Indy, Atlanta and New York. And nobody has been able to mangle New Orleans the way the Redskins did.
        There is no need for breaks now. It’s just a euphemism for people who have been against Kirk for personal reasons all along, and who are now embarrassed that they were wrong. For those of us who have supported him every day since he was named starter there is vindication. For other people it’s really a time to apologize to Kirk and others they have insulted over the last year and a half.

  9. voice4thefans - Nov 17, 2015 at 11:40 AM

    95% of these comments are so dumb it hurts me to read them , The Coach and QB job is safe and the team is moving in the right direction, and when we do draft a QB next year it will be to learn from Cousin’s and be a backup or 3rd stringer, all rookie QB’s throw a lot of int just look at Luck he had about 30 his first year and still have more than Cousin this year , Expectations for a successful season was 6 to 7 wins a improvement over last year now all of a sudden it is a trip to the playoffs with a first round win, The Drama is on the bench and on the we out the door and the team has improved 100% over last year, so like I said the QB and Coach job is safe

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 17, 2015 at 12:39 PM

      “he team has improved 100% over last year, so like I said the QB and Coach job is safe”

      The team is 100% improved yet only one more win than last years team? And you call others comments here dumb? Dude, your post some of the most infantile junk of any I read here. Should we revisit your calling of RG3 a BOY and all capitalized just to emphasize you racist nature?

      • thirdistheworrd - Nov 17, 2015 at 1:03 PM

        voice4thefans certainly isn’t a strong writer, and I don’t what that is about the racism, so I’m kind of concerned about defending him, but, to be fair, we are two wins away from improving our record by 100%. More important is his point about drama, I’m sick of it, you’re sick of it, and the rest of the league loves it. I’m tired of being the hilarious dumpster fire of the NFL. Maybe we do ditch Cousins and Gruden eventually, but not simultaneously, and not this year. Winning teams have consistency, and our consistent record of purging the team every two years does not count. McCLoughan promised an above .500 record and a playoff berth in 2016, and I don’t see a major shakeup until then. Scot builds winners, and whatever decision he makes, the fan base should trust.

        • bangkokben - Nov 17, 2015 at 1:31 PM

          Sunday we matched our win total from last year – still a long way to go to 100%. Figuratively, sure.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 17, 2015 at 2:54 PM

          “to be fair, we are two wins away from improving our record by 100%.”

          Right now, the team has matched our current win total of last year. If the team wins two more then it would be an improvement of 33.33%. Even if the team doubled it’s win total then that would only be a 50% improvement. It’s apparent 100% improvement was arbitrary and not well thought out from someone calling 99% of the comments dumb. Apparently percentages is not Voice’s forte.

        • Skulb - Nov 17, 2015 at 7:42 PM

          Look just to be straight here we did actually win four games last season, awful as it was. So we would need four more wins to improve 100% in win-loss ratio. But there has been improvements even in defeat here. I don’t know if people have noticed it but we’re not being blown out this season, which we routinely were last season and in 13. Except from the Patriots game and the two New York games we’ve been competitive in every game. Being competitive is improvement.

          2013: Competitive in five games, won three
          2014: Competitive in six games, won four
          2015: Competitive in six games, won four.

          So barely at the halfway point we have equaled our results from last season in more ways than one. Even if we lose a few more we might still end the season having been competitive in 13/16 games, up from 6/16 last year. So that would be more than 100% improvement.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 18, 2015 at 2:28 PM

          “Look just to be straight here we did actually win four games last season, awful as it was. So we would need four more wins to improve 100% in win-loss ratio.”

          4 more wins would be 50%! This is not complicated math guys

          The proper way to calculate a win increase is below

          ((8 – 4) / 8) * 100) = 50%

          The parenthesis () decide order of precedence going inside out.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 18, 2015 at 2:32 PM

          Sorry left out a parenthesis

          (((8 – 4) / 8) * 100) = 50%

          Let’s simplify it by steps
          1) 8 – 4 = 4
          2) 4 / 8 = .50
          3) .50 * 100 = 50%

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 18, 2015 at 2:43 PM

          Sadly my math has become rusty on percentages.

          I had to look it up and Skulp is right. My denominator needs to be smaller value

          (((8 – 4) / 4) * 100) = 100%

        • bangkokben - Nov 18, 2015 at 3:23 PM


          Good job correcting your self.

      • YOU LIKE THAT - Nov 17, 2015 at 3:02 PM

        I will say this, nothing pisses me off more than the racist card. It shows peeps true mentality, serious or joking. Either way I would rather see your teeth knocked out than read or listen to your garbage.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 17, 2015 at 3:16 PM

          You don’t call a full grown black man a BOY with all caps unless your are attacking race. So you want to be the internet tough guy?

        • YOU LIKE THAT - Nov 17, 2015 at 4:48 PM

          What’s sad Redskins Name is these guys live this way in their personal lives. They teach hate to their kids, and the cycle goes on and on.

  10. bangkokben - Nov 17, 2015 at 1:49 PM

    FYI, for kicks and giggles:

    Somehow the Redskins don’t face a “better” ranked defense the rest of the year. LOL!

    • bangkokben - Nov 17, 2015 at 1:57 PM

      Got to fix their algorithm.

      • colmac69 - Nov 17, 2015 at 2:19 PM

        Don’t know bout the def ranking but I take the 11-5 record and third seed !!!!!!!!

        Seriously some people on here are just unbelievable….rich posts a headline bout what a POSSIBLE contract could look like for cousins and the reaction by some is crazy….it’s a scenario people he pointing out not set in stone

        Why rush anyway. …he plays well last 7 his potential salary gets better and he got great bargaining position with other clubs looking for a gd QB

        It’s quite possible he plays well and team only win couple more games or he doesn’t play well and team wins five

        Any REAL fan can finally see some light at end of tunnel with this team….future looks bright….we got GM who has proven he can build winning teams and we might just have a QB who can b the guy for nxt few yrs

        Here hoping………

        • bangkokben - Nov 17, 2015 at 2:36 PM

          Hope and thoughts toward a positive future usually gets you slapped down like the new kid at a boarding school. You’d think that a good portion of Rich’s readers have grown up with bread lines or in the gulag the way they respond to hope.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 17, 2015 at 3:38 PM

        Looks good to me – I wouldn’t change a single calculation there.

  11. bangkokben - Nov 17, 2015 at 2:07 PM

    The Football Outsider’s odd are up:

    Team Conf App Conf Win SB Win
    WAS 3.4% 1.0% 0.3%

    Team Top Pick Top 3 Pick
    WAS 0.1% 1.3%

    So they’re saying there’s a chance.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 17, 2015 at 3:29 PM

      “So they’re saying there’s a chance.”

      That reminds me of a dumb and dumber quote.

      Overall those figures could certainly increase if the Redskins pull off a huge upset this week. The Panthers are one of the more beatable undefeated teams but they are in no way an easy one to pin an upset on. This game is far more implications than I could have expected.

      • bangkokben - Nov 17, 2015 at 4:26 PM

        Caught me. Changed one word. Although both small (minuscule), we have three times better chance at winning the Super Bowl than getting the top pick in the draft.

        As for the Panthers, a true measuring stick game: a beat down and we’re right back to the wringing of hands, a close loss and we are where we thought we were – just not good enough, but a victory and the town is talking about the post-season – not just the fans that wear rose colored glasses.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 17, 2015 at 4:35 PM

          With a 1-1 division record and 4 more division games ahead the team would be in a position to dictate it’s own post season destiny. I was going to keep quite about it until after the Carolina game.

        • bangkokben - Nov 17, 2015 at 6:04 PM

          Exactly. I heard the team talk about controlling their own destiny a couple of weeks ago. But that is the case when there is no runaway leader and you have four division games in hand. But the fact remains the same for NY and Philly. The only team needing help is Dallas. But if any of the three: NY, :PHI, or WAS were to win out, they win the division. The closest would be both the Giants and Eagles winning out until the final game (Eagles-Giants) but then whomever wins that game wins the division. Of course that scenario is preposterous but as long as the ‘Skins take each game week-to-week, we should have a playoff race.

  12. Danny Ambrose - Nov 17, 2015 at 5:46 PM

    Keep Kirk Cousins For Ever Go To SuperBol Please I GiveYou Last Chance

  13. kenlinkins - Nov 17, 2015 at 7:05 PM

    There is only one question, “does the new GM believe he understands Cousins talent level today and where he can take the Redskins”? If Cousins is “That Guy” in the GM’s mind, he will break out the money truck to keep him here. Can anyone here say that they would bet their job on knowing right now if Cousins is or is not a QB who can get the Redskins into a Super Bowl? I know I would not place that bet yet. Remember, we are talking about a QB who is only 4-5 right now. We might look back at this at the end of the year and say “What the heck where we thinking, talking about $18 million a year for 3 or 4 years for Cousins’ OR say ” wish we could of signed him back when we were 4-5 and got the best deal ever for a QB”. IMO the money truck will stay parked until after all 16 games are played, just as the new GM planned it way back in March when he didn’t even know which QB might be “That Guy”. Still way too much unknown about Cousins development and where the “Bad” Kirk might be hiding to offer a contract anytime soon.

    • Skulb - Nov 17, 2015 at 7:49 PM

      I’ll say that he is and I’ve been saying it since August. I’ll keep saying it until the debate is over. Kirk is in the middle of his first season starting and already a top 15 QB. And this is not his ceiling, as he has demonstrated with his last two home games. On Sunday he effortlessly beat several franchise records and was by far the best QB in the NFL in week 10. I am fully expecting him to stabilize at a top 10, maybe even top 5, level next season. To me the surprising games are the bad ones he has played this year. I was shocked that he wasn’t able to rally the team past a terrible Miami and stunned that he lost his composure against the Giants and Jets. It is very atypical of him. I am chalking this down to inexperience on his part and do not expect this to be a regular problem going forward. He will have bad games occasionally just like any other QB, but I am convinced it will become rarer and rarer as he and the offense gains confidence and experience.
      Simply put, Kirk is right now the best QB the Redskins have had since Joe Theisman. And he will become better than Joe over the next few years. i just hope he does it playing for my team.

  14. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Nov 17, 2015 at 7:54 PM

    How many of you folks remember the Billy Kilmer-Sonny Jurgensen wars?

    This is nothing like that.

    RGIII isn’t going to be our QB anymore. Maybe he can resurrect a career elsewhere.

    It’s Kirk Cousins or else we need to get lucky with the scrap heap. Get a clue, people, if you are Skins fans.

  15. goback2rfk - Nov 17, 2015 at 9:11 PM

    Kirk franchise Cousins do big things for my Fanduel account. Last week he netted me a few hundred dollars! Thanks Kirk. God bless you!!

    • bangkokben - Nov 18, 2015 at 3:16 PM

      Well done. I doubled up. Would’ve done better in the tournaments had the Saints kept it close and we needed to throw more than five passes in the 2nd half.

  16. timwillhide - Nov 18, 2015 at 10:46 AM

    Signing Cousins to an extension based off of his performance so far would be foolish. He played well against the Saints. Although most of those passes were short passes and screens against the leagues worst defense. The Bucs the team was down by 4 scores and the Bucs left us back in it. In the Patriot game there were some drops but there were also some way off target throws too. Just looking at Cousins “Best Games” doesn’t warrant him a contract. Do we really want a QB that performs bellow a Fitzpatrick level?

    • bangkokben - Nov 18, 2015 at 3:31 PM

      Every QB throws short passes. It is the design of any team that has a west coast offense. Here’s a stat for you:

      If you click on %air yards and then count, you’ll see that there are 13 other QBs with a smaller percentage of air yards.

      %50 of Cousins passing yards are from the ball travelling through the air, the other $50 is YAC. That puts him less than a percent behind Brady and ahead of Rodgers and Brees.

  17. Grips1960 - Nov 18, 2015 at 4:14 PM

    You didn’t mention Ryan Tannehill’s money. Tannenhill does not seem to be as good of product as Kirk Cousins

  18. FreeRG3 - Nov 19, 2015 at 12:56 AM

    End of season conversation between Scottie Mac, Juicy Brucey and Dan Snyder:

    1) Did Jay prove himself to be the head coach going forward?

    2) Is Kirk Cousins a QB we feel confident signing at starter money for at least two years?

    3) Can you steer RG3 to a team outside the division, because They’d rather him succeed or fail far away from Redskins influence.

    I think the answer will be clear by end of year on 1 & 2, and I think RG3 has benefitted from sitting. He may have another year as a backup to continue to work on his QB skills – Houston, Dallas, New Orleans, Philadelphia, Detroit, Chicago, St Louis, NY Jets, Kansas City, and Arizona are all potential landing spots for RG3.

  19. abanig - Nov 20, 2015 at 4:43 AM

    If I’m McCloghan & Snyder, where do I sign? Archives

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