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Need to Know: Five Redskins who must improve in second half of the season

Nov 12, 2015, 5:07 AM EDT


Here is what you need to know on this Thursday, November 12, three days before the Washington Redskins host the New Orleans Saints.

Five Redskins who need to improve in the second half of the season

There are many Redskins who need to play better in the second half of season. Here are five who are in the team’s future plans who need to step up.

RB Matt Jones—The rookie has the physical ability to be an impact running back. But issues with fumbling and problems finding the proper place to run have held him back. If he wants to show that he is the back of  the future, now’s the time to start.

G Brandon Scherff—The top draft pick has been competent at guard but not special. If he is going to justify being the fifth overall pick he is going to have to be special as in perennial Pro Bowl selections and occasional All-Pro status. He doesn’t have to get there this year but he needs to start working towards it.

WR Pierre Garçon—He hasn’t been playing poorly but he hasn’t had any big games. He gained 74 yards receiving in the opener and he hasn’t gained that many since. Garçon’s season high in receptions is seven; he had more than that three times last year. It would be good if he could have a few games where he carries the offense with 10 catches for 110 yards or so.

LB Keenan Robinson—Last year it looked like he was Pro Bowl bound at some point in his career but so far this year he hasn’t been nearly as effective. Robinson has had some nagging injuries which may have reduced his effectiveness. It looks as though he may be pressing in his contract year. Robinson needs to relax and play if he is going to get paid.

LB Ryan Kerrigan—Like Garçon, Kerrigan is not having a terrible year but he isn’t having the impact that the team was hoping for when he got his contract extension in July. The issue is not so much that he has just 3.5 sacks; it’s that he hasn’t made other big plays like he has in the past that made him much more productive than his sack numbers alone would suggest. He has just one forced fumble and that was recovered by the offense. The fifth-year player has no fumble recoveries, no interceptions, and no passes batted down.


Today’s schedule: Practice 11:35; Jay Gruden and Joe Barry news conferences and player availability after practice, approx. 1:30

Days until: Saints @ Redskins 3; Redskins @ Panthers 10; Giants @ Redskins 17

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  1. cpst123 - Nov 12, 2015 at 5:25 AM

    McRibs – if he wants a job next year he needs to earn it the rest of this year. Lich’s size doesn’t fit with the direction of bigger so if McRibs can’t hold center then maybe the new guy or Long will be the next ‘next man’ up.

    • bangkokben - Nov 12, 2015 at 2:37 PM

      McRibs is in his final year. The signing of de la Puente signals two things: 1) LeRibeus is not in next year’s plans; and 2) the 7th round draft pick, Austin Reiter, isn’t as good as LeRibs, right now, nor is the guy they had earlier in camp, Tyler Lawsen.

  2. colorofmyskinz - Nov 12, 2015 at 5:53 AM

    Agree with all of these. But there are a few that might even be greater needs to step up and are on the chopping block this year:

    – Morris needs to take every running opportunity as his last. This year he has not. If we cut him he needs better performance to be marketable in the FA world.

    – DJax needs to stop talking and start playing with some clutch plays. He is at fault for not taking the offseason seriously and now he is staring at FA again. Has not done enough to be another contract from us. We have too many speedy small WRs. We need BIG now and Crowder, Ross and Grant have stepped up in the small category

    – pot roast. Still not the game changer everyone thought. Started season strong but yawning right now. He is in prove it contract.

    – Riley, step up or out. Plain and simple.

    – Hatch. Another on the block for return or not. Have not seen dominance from him either. Where is the pressure?

    The list goes on. Funny how my list of 5 and Rich’s list of 5 don’t mention Kirk.

    I would bet most believe our list of 10 are more needed to step up than Kirk. Oh what about our new center? So there is 11 before Kirk and we have not even moved to the defensive secondary yet. Safeties need to step up all of them. Culliver needs to step up. Breeland needs to step up….

    Just can’t stop…

    • brucefan1 - Nov 12, 2015 at 9:54 AM

      “Just can’t stop…”

      Haha! Not a good sign.

      Not trying to stir up any controversy…but when exactly do we start to fully evaluate the additions that Scot’s regime has made? All the draft choices … all the free agent signings. How successful have they been?

      I don’t know — I haven’t taken the time to think about it. (Because I, in my usual overly cautious manner, will wait until season’s end to formulate my theories on all things 2015 Redskins. But I will gladly listen to the thoughts of others who are bolder before then.)

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 12, 2015 at 10:10 AM

        Overall I still say the signs are positive on Scot’s additions. Some FA have not become the show stoppers on the defense line many wanted. However, Terrance Knighton is still a step up from our previous NT play. If anyone thought otherwise then watch last week’s game alone. The line needs him! Culliver is decent and Paea is a serviceable backup. I think Ricky Jean Francis is better than what I expected. The biggest disappointment may be Jeron Johnson but seriously what did folks expect from a guy who rarely started?

        I like most the rookie performances so far. Some will complain about Schreff but give him a season before using the infamous B word on him. However some will start the bust word on Schreff many here are flippant beyond logic.

        • hail74 - Nov 12, 2015 at 10:30 AM

          I agree. I think you need to wait at least 3 years on draft picks to fully appreciate how good of a pick it was. RJF has definitely exceeded my expectations and yes just look at how much NE just ran down the middle of our D last week to see Knighton’s effect.

        • bangkokben - Nov 12, 2015 at 2:49 PM

          By and large, I agree. Scherff can show dominance next year – he should be about to hit the rookie wall. If he doesn’t, that’s a good sign. Can’t blame the GM on Knighton. His play has been adequate but with Haslet’s scheme, the team was better against the run. No denying those facts. My point on Knighton is that he can be replaced for younger, faster, cheaper – if so, that’s a no brainer; if replacement talent isn’t there come FA or the draft – same offer as this year. I don’t think you can blame a GM for injuries unless he signs aging or oft-injured players. Otherwise, it is part of the game and the GM should be judged on what problem he saw, how he tried solving that problem, and what were his options when the problem presented itself. The rookie picks on the active roster have all contributed – some better than others. Jones is a rookie 3rd round pick on a team with a proven commodity, so what are reasonable expectations? I give him a pass until next year as long as he takes a better attitude toward ball protection than he did after the Jet game. His quotes following were Bacarri Rambo-esque.

        • brucefan1 - Nov 12, 2015 at 6:37 PM

          The only rookie that I’m disappointed in so far is Preston Smith (Although there are undoubtedly several other rookies drafted after the 5th spot, even WELL after, that have panned out better than Sherff has so far. Giant fans may point to Ereck Flowers. Sounds like a bastard-born from The Reach!)

          Maybe I just had unrealistic expectations for him. I bought into the draft day story line that he had defensive end size, coupled with an OLB skill set.

          May still show that, but the fact that he has not surpassed a seemingly inadequate Trent Murphy sends up red flags for me.

        • abanig - Nov 12, 2015 at 7:49 PM

          Preston smith is closer to a Murphy type as a pass rusher than he is to Orakpo or Kerrigan.

          Murphy is a big OLB, not a quick first step really athletic OLB.

      • sidepull - Nov 12, 2015 at 8:33 PM

        I like Crowder.

    • Leroy Butler - Nov 12, 2015 at 1:13 PM

      Let’s start with defense we need a true nose guard and bookends they can flat out get after the quarterback and stop the run. We need to do something about line backers, Preston needs to step up because we already have Carringan on the other side ,cut #93 and an the middle backer is pretty . On offense DJAX, Ross stretching the field, Garcon slot or over the middle Reed same thing Crowder switching up and Matt Jones out of the back field. This ought to be a match up nightmare for the defense of the opposing team. To be honest I’m not comfortable with Gruden as head coach and I never was. I believe that John Harbaugh once they get fired by the Ravens then Gruden will get fired by the Redskins and we would have a new coach name Harbaugh and we would have our fourth championship. It sounds like wishful thinking but it could happen.

      • Trey Gregory - Nov 13, 2015 at 1:47 AM

        Do we not have a true nose guard in Terrance Knighton?

        Oh, and two bookends who can flat out get after the QB. Why didn’t Scot think of that? Let’s just hit the waiver wire and pick one up. Not like we tried with Gallette and Kerrigan. Why doesn’t every NFL team just get two great bookends?

        Since we’re staying obvious things that are so easy to get. Why don’t we also get a HOF QB like Aaron Rogers, a true workhorse RB like AP, and a 3rd down back like Sproles? Oh, I also want two pro bowl WRs like Demarius Thomas and Julio Jones. Then let’s add a TE like Gronk, corners like Revis and Sherm, safeties like Kam Chancelor and Early Thomas, a few awesome middle linebackers and interior linemen. Then let’s get an OLine like Dallas. Am I missing anything guys?

        This isn’t fantasy football man. It’s not that easy to just go get these players. Every damn team in the league wants two great bookends. We’re lucky to have 1. Not every team can say that.

        Oh, and Ross sucks. He’s an awful WR. Why can’t everyone accept that and get over it already?

        • abanig - Nov 13, 2015 at 5:19 AM

          Terrence Knighton is overrated. He hasn’t played well and the run defense has been effected.

  3. gonavybeatarmy - Nov 12, 2015 at 6:01 AM

    Kerrigan has been virtually invisible during large chunks of several games. It’s hard to criticize not making a serious offer to retain Orakpo given his inability during his Skins’ tenure to stay off IR. But it would be interesting to study Kerrigan’s production level from 2011 to 2014 when Orakpo played vs. injury.

    By the way, through the halfway point of the season, Kerrigan has 3.5 sacks, 13 tackles and five assists. Conversely, Orakpo has five sacks, nineteen tackles and three assists.

    • colorofmyskinz - Nov 12, 2015 at 6:29 AM

      I think we will eventually list out 18-20 players that need to step up. It would be easier to list the ones that don’t need to because they are playing at a high level already. Here is my list for does not need to step up:

      – reed. Has stepped up. But needs to stay in the field the rest of the year.
      – Moses. Is playing great!
      – Trent Williams. Always great.
      – baker. Showed us his value over all of these high priced FA’s we brought.
      – Crowder. What more can you say. Our best WR.
      – Kirk has stepped up with 3 potential 2 minute game winning drives. Has proven he is the starter of our 3 QBs.

      Those are the only ones that have stepped up and just need to hold their impact. The entire team beyond these are sucking wind.

      • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Nov 12, 2015 at 9:02 AM

        I would add Breeland to the list of people playing at a high level.

      • ET - Nov 12, 2015 at 2:59 PM

        Jarrett really stepped up. We expected him to be a good ST player but it’s been trial-by-fire for him since the secondary’s been decimated. Of course he could be better, but Jarrett’s already paid off as a mid-late round pick.

    • kenlinkins - Nov 12, 2015 at 6:37 AM

      Interesting point, I wondered about the values the new GM placed on Kerrigan / T. Williams / RG3 / the 2015 Free Agents signed and how he will handle Morris, Cousins, K. Robinson and the 2016 Redskin Free Agents? To date I do not see many real “steal deals” as injury and below production (vs. cost) has been the norm (but that could be said of many of the GM Allen and Shanahan deals too). Also, the Redskins have used two 2nd round picks trying to find a pass rusher at OLB (to make up for Orakpo) and the results have been poor at best so far. While it is still early in the process, the results of the new GM can not yet be called outstanding. The Redskins are once again at 3-5 and looking over the cliff that they have walked off twice in a row. The next 5 or 6 games will let us know just where the new GM has placed the Redskins and if the locker room drama will make its return! IMO the jury is still out on the level of talent vs. production (i.e. improvement) that will show up in the 2015 record.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 12, 2015 at 11:04 AM

        “the results of the new GM can not yet be called outstanding. The Redskins are once again at 3-5 and looking over the cliff that they have walked off twice in a row. The next 5 or 6 games will let us know just where the new GM has placed the Redskins”

        I couldn’t agree more with you on the above statement. However, even with the additions I didn’t anticipate better than a 6 game win season. We certainly don’t want to see the season bottom out without another victory. The scary part is if it wasn’t but for a few final and desperate drives, the team could be staring down at a 1 win record right now.

        • Bo - Nov 12, 2015 at 11:34 AM

          You can’t blame the gm all he can do is bring in talent and the coach is responsible 4 wins/loses. I think it’s the coach fault. 🔥 Jay G

        • colmac69 - Nov 12, 2015 at 3:05 PM

          Nice and positive as always redskins

          If u look at it another way there a few plays short of being 5-3

          As for the desperate drives would one not consider them to b well executed drives driven by a QB who many on here thought was incapable of achieving such highs and of whom many on here still want to fail miserably

          Whether u like cousins or not there is no denying he is a better QB this season….if people can’t see that then they either dumb or plain ignorant

          Will he b solution? Who knows….time will tell at the end of season

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 12, 2015 at 4:00 PM

          “If u look at it another way there a few plays short of being 5-3”

          I’m not so sure this 5-3 record holds the same weight since I’m assuming you are referring to Miami and Atlanta. The Skins had controlled of the game in the 1st but Miami had momentum in the 2nd half. If you want to blame the punt return for a lost well keep in mind that eliminates the lead but still gives you a tie. The outcome of the Miami game is a bit more muddied. The Atlanta game was another hurried final drive just to put the team in position to go into overtime. Again, that is another game where the outcome is left more unanswered than answered. However, those two drives are unquestionable as to determining the outcome of two wins. They had to be done or the outcome would had losses.

          “As for the desperate drives would one not consider them to b well executed drives driven by a QB who many on here thought was incapable of achieving such highs and of whom many on here still want to fail miserably”
          I’ve done more than my share commending Cousins for those drives. They are certainly unprecedented in his career.

          Also, the idea that others want him to fail miserably is overreaching. Sure some don’t like Cousins as the starter but no fan is out there rooting for him to fail. If that is the case then all the games I’ve been to this year would have had fans cheering his every interception. That doesn’t exist and nor does the notion that fans want Cousins to fail even at the expense of the team. That’s a complete red herring fallacy

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM

          “Whether u like cousins or not there is no denying he is a better QB this season….if people can’t see that then they either dumb or plain ignorant”

          If he produces wins for the team then everyone will like Cousins. As for me, I stated before preseason that I felt both Cousins and RG3 had the potential to be starters in the NFL. However, I feel the ceiling is lower in Cousins case. If I’m proven wrong and Cousins succeeds to levels of elite then no one would be happier than I.

        • timwillhide - Nov 13, 2015 at 3:17 AM

          I root for my team to win every game regardless who the QB is I just feel Cousins will never get us anywhere. That doesn’t mean I don’t root for him to win I root for him to win every time he takes the feild. I’m just honest in my evaluations . If people bother to actually read everything I write they would see that. Most are too stuck on what they think I mean instead of reading what I actually write.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 12, 2015 at 8:23 AM

      “But it would be interesting to study Kerrigan’s production level from 2011 to 2014 when Orakpo played vs. injury.”

      Yes it would and I bet it should show that Kerrigan is at his best when there is disruption in the pocket on the other side. Junior Galette IMO is even better than Orakpo at getting to the QB in a hurry. His ability to get low with a combination of great velocity and power is hard to find. Next season baring injury or unforeseen suspension, I expect will reveal a far superior pass rush from the OLBs. Include a move of Preston Smith along the D-line and we have a lethal pass rush in the making. And it won’t require much blitzing.

      • kenlinkins - Nov 12, 2015 at 9:16 AM

        Another interesting point,

      • colmac69 - Nov 12, 2015 at 5:41 PM

        Well for a start he made plays in atlanta game to get them into position to put game into OT….would he have done that last yr?

        Biggest problem last yr was how he responded to adversary…this yr he has responded pretty gd with xception of second half vs jets and whole giants game

        I can only read what’s on these pages…”many” might b to strong but there is more than a few who post on here that would like to see him fail and that’s undeniable

        As yourself attends games u have larger audience to judge fan support for cousins….as above I can only judge on what I read here

        We will see how it plays out but I want cousins to b the guy as the options in free agency aren’t great and by all accords the QB draft isn’t great either….

    • abanig - Nov 13, 2015 at 5:40 AM

      in 2012 Kerrigan had 2 sacks the first two games. When Orakpo hurt his pec, Kerrigan only had 6.5 sacks the final 14 games.

      In 2014 Kerrigan had 4 sacks in the game against the Jags, those RTs were so awful, they were cut the rest of the season and YES Orakpo played that game also.

      So, the other 15 games he had 9.5 sacks.

      In the first 7 games – which Orakpo played in – Kerrigan had 6.5 sacks, again 4 in one game vs the Jags.

      In the final 9 games Kerrigan had 7 sacks.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 13, 2015 at 8:01 AM

        Kerrigan is capable of getting sacks on his own but I don’t think he’ll yield as many as folks think doing so. This is one where I go by what I see and not the statistics simply because when Orakpo was there he wasn’t always getting pressure off the edge. So this is pure opinion but I think it’s a strong one. Also note that I didn’t indicate sacks. Consistent pressure on the QB can be more important than any sack. My opinion about Kerrigan is that he is more disruptive when pressure moves the pocket his way. Kerrigan can do many things well but he doesn’t do anything great except one that that I see: He excels at being disruptive when pressure is coming from somewhere else.

        Disruptive = pressure+sacks+tips+turnovers

        Kerrigan is not an elite linebacker on his own and never was in the NFL. I’m not sure why fans think of him as an elite edge rusher or even elite OLB. However, if there is disruption in the pocket he can do many things. He can get after the QB being pressed his way, he can tip the ball on a hurried pass, even take the ball the other way, or he just applies more pressure. We can technically say this about many players. There are many sacks every game that are a result of pressure from somewhere else. However, I just think Kerrigan is more dangerous than most I watch on feeding off pressure.

  4. sidepull - Nov 12, 2015 at 6:37 AM

    I would like for DY to step up and take the ball. That is if anybody knows where he is at in this offense. A buried reliable back with the ball in his hands. I mean that guy was money. And now I can see them releasing a really nice player just like they released Lorenzo Alexander. A guy whose production outweighed their “reasons”. ST suffered ever since.

    • colorofmyskinz - Nov 12, 2015 at 6:46 AM

      Maybe they should move DY back to linebacker and have him fill in for Riley in Compton? Another grand Redskin experiment of moving somebody from one position to another…

  5. hk2000 - Nov 12, 2015 at 7:12 AM

    I’ve been reading all the replies her, and everybody’s points can be traced back directly to the coaching staff- including Rich’s list!! Yet no body brings that up!!!!! I’d say the coach is number one, followed by the QB- everyone is giving Cousins much more benefit of the doubt than he deserves- WILDLY INACCURATE PASSES OF OVER 10 YARDS- He simply needs to improve his downfield accuracy, then again, if it wasn’t for the idiotic coach, we wouldn’t be in this position of having to justify starting our mediocre backup QB.

    • cpst123 - Nov 12, 2015 at 8:31 AM

      The coach has a 5 guaranteed contract, none of the players do. If you fire yet another coach, who will you attract to the job? The pass to Garcon to open the game – was that a bad call? The pass to WIDE open TE #4 – was that a bad pass? Playing Will for Riley – bad decision? Going for on 4th … never mind that one. :P

      Gruden may not be a great coach and Cousins may not be a great qb – but they are not top priorities. Cousins is the best we have and the draft looks poor next year.

      If the players can’t execute then they will get executed! This is a breath of fresh air around here. Let’s stop blaming the coaches and start holding the players accountable.

      • hk2000 - Nov 12, 2015 at 11:47 AM

        Actually I was not talking about the last game- in fact I agree, Cousins looked the best he had all season- I’m talking overall this season. and yeah, it’s not my money, so I don’t care, they made the mistake in picking this guy for a coach when they could’ve gotten many better ones, including Zimmer who I really was hoping for.

      • brucefan1 - Nov 12, 2015 at 12:17 PM

        “If you fire yet another coach, who will you attract to the job?”

        Not that I am calling for the firing of Gru — there’s still way to much time in the season for him to prove that he can make successful adjustments, work with reasonable effectiveness with whatever players he has available, and motivate his team to go out and play their tails off for him. (You know, things all the good coaches do.)

        But as far as who the Skins could get IF (take note of the big “if”) they needed a new head coach, I would venture a guess some hot commodity who sees that Scot McCloughan is a proven GM who is finally putting things in the right place in DC; that HE is the one doing the firing and hiring (not volatile Danny); and that he has solid reasons for his actions would be interested. I would also speculate that it would be someone who sees the game like Scot does, and vice versa, thus making them very compatible.

        If all we hear about the respect that Scot has around the league is true, then that could go a long way toward attracting the candidates at he targets. (Putting aside his off-the-field problems, of course — which MAY still be of long-term concern to some. Dunno.)

        Another big factor (which I think cpst123 is alluding to) is how many teams will be looking for coaches this off-season — and how desirable THOSE jobs might appear to the top candidates? With that in mind, which teams have coaches on the hot seat at this point in time? ;^}

        • hail74 - Nov 12, 2015 at 6:45 PM

          Indy with Luck would get their choice. Tennessee with Mariotta is prob second. Word is N.O. Is willing to let Payton go if he wants. Miami would be ahead of Washington as well. Detroit is more than likely going to be in our neighborhood. Not sure who else gets axed. Jacksonville has already said no matter what there giving their HC 3 years. The talk here in Cleveland is that there are no good candidates and it’s the GM needs firing. I just don’t think having Scot would be enough to make any coach feel secure here.

        • abanig - Nov 12, 2015 at 7:46 PM

          Don’t worry Cousins is the draw! Other coaches will want to work with Cousins!…

          Jk, jk Cousins cult, don’t get your panties in a bunch.

          I would say they even with those other teams possibly having the best chances of getting the top coaching candidates I still want Gruden replaced.

          Seriously, in my eyes, Gruden is going to have to win more than 6 games to keep his job.

          Gruden is not a McCloughan guy – meaning McCloughan didn’t hire him. There are McCloughan guys out there who are assistants on other teams that I think he could get to come here.

          I’ve seen too many other franchises fire a HC was just wasn’t the guy and then the new guy come in and upgrade/fix one or two things on the team and all of a sudden the team is a playoff team after being below .500 the year before.

          I ask, why not us for once?

          We finally have THE TRUE GM with the great connections and the guy who knows football better than anyone we’ve had since the 90s – and he may know football better than Casserly. Give McCloughan the keys, trust McCloughan to find his HC who he thinks can get this team to the next level.

          I trust McCloughan, don’t you all?

        • brucefan1 - Nov 12, 2015 at 10:12 PM

          hail74 posted “Word is N.O. Is willing to let Payton go if he wants. Miami would be ahead of Washington as well”

          Nice list of possible coaching vacancies, hail. And I don’t want to get to far a head o things as far a Jay is concerned, but it is fun speculate.

          I certainly agree that getting a team led by Luck would be choice #1 for the top hot coordinator if they decide to dump player-favorite Pagano, and a Mariotta-led Titan team MAY be next (but not every coach will love MM’s read-option, spread offense style, would they?) — but I’m not sure that New Orleans — and DEFINITELY not Miami (I mean, Dolphin owner Steve Ross seems like a piece of work, too. Not in Danny’s class, but…) — would necessarily come in ahead of the Redskins on the coaching carousel … once again mainly due to the presence of McCloughan. But I can’t argue too much if you choose to downplay his impact.

          This might be especially true if Scot can target a guy that he knows would specifically fill his bill. And who knows, that guy may not be the guy with the most buzz … the next big thing. Flying under the radar with his own personalized checklist seems like a possible way for McC to go, doesn’t it?

        • hail74 - Nov 12, 2015 at 10:33 PM

          Bruce, I’m not saying it would be impossible and sure Scot may have a list of some unknown but talented coordinators, what I am saying is that there are better options than us out there. Also consider what young unknown coach candidate is going to want to stake his reputation on a team with the turnover history like ours and that has fired its last 2 coaches before seeing the end of their guaranteed contracts? Scot would really have to convince someone that not only is snyder’s rep of being a meddling owner unfounded, but that he himself has job security. The flip side to that of course is that there are only 32 of these jobs out there, so when you can get one, you better get one. I still think Gruden is doing an alright job and should stay. He still has plenty of things to learn but so would the next guy

        • timwillhide - Nov 13, 2015 at 3:24 AM

          I wouldn’t mind seeing one of these guys as our Head Coach

        • hail74 - Nov 13, 2015 at 6:37 AM

          Not saying those are bad choices but for me there is no one worth blowing this team up and starting over with. I want nothing to do with college coaches, particularly ones who run spread or read option offenses. This list reads like what would be best for RG3, not the Redskins.

        • timwillhide - Nov 13, 2015 at 8:42 AM

          I believe Art Briles is the only one that would fit your RG3 sentiment. He actually has done great with whatever QB he has in there and those QBs put up big #s he seems to get the most out of whatever QB that is in there that’s why he is on the list. We are obviously going to get another QB and each one of these Coaches can adapt their system to the players.

          I’m not a fan of retreads too often

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 12, 2015 at 8:39 AM

      “He simply needs to improve his downfield accuracy,”

      I see some recent improvement with Cousins overall accuracy. While it’s only been 3 halves, I want to support this recent surge in his play. However, the “Kissing Cousins Crew” has already established him being among the legioin of many recent low draft pick signings. For some here, he gets a gold star just for properly wiping his butt.

      • bangkokben - Nov 12, 2015 at 3:07 PM

        That Gold star is saved for centers not QBs. Mark Schlereth never got a gold star as a back-up center but oddly enough LeRibeus did. Gold stars are meaningless. Wipe or not to wipe, just block the guy in front of you.

  6. colmac69 - Nov 12, 2015 at 7:24 AM

    Trent Murphy is another….bn largely invisible

    Kerrigan getting paid like a premier pass rusher but another who bn invisible in lot games

    One prob with defense is we don’t have any outside guys who scare the opposition….nobody who can take advantage when teams are in 3rd and long…..hope is junior gallete could b that guy….that and inside guys who can fight off blockers and make tackles should in turn make d-line better

    Think off season priority should b defense and more defense……offense will b fine

    • sidepull - Nov 12, 2015 at 7:38 AM

      Murphy is not looking too good in the defensive scheme Barry has instituted. Your right he has been unremarkable in any aspect.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 12, 2015 at 8:33 AM

        Murphy can’t get off blocks! It’s been apparent since he came here.

  7. skinsgame - Nov 12, 2015 at 8:12 AM

    If the team insists on sticking with the 3-4, every LB needs to step it up.

  8. redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 12, 2015 at 8:16 AM

    Nice list all around!

    Both Robinson and Schreff came out looking very strong this year. Keenan in particular looked really bad on a few series against the Patriots last week.
    Robinson is my personal favorite player on defense but his performance has started to slide for some reason. It seems his intensity is still there but too many times of recent I can see him in the wrong spot and late getting to a player it appeared that was his responsibility.

    Schreff needs to be a dominant guard and I still hold hope he’ll be that guy in time. As a rookies there will be “ebb and flow” with his performance during the 1st season.

    Kerrigan has had the injury which is a big part of his impairment but no impairment may be more than not having any edge rush on the other side for him to feast on.

    Matt Jones just needs to fix the fumble issues. He won’t always hit the right hole this season but his ability to gain huge chunks of yards can be more than enough to make up for it. Also, I love the read option with Jones in there. That could lead to some big plays. If anything it will keep defenses off balance. The one thing that surprises me at times is he’ll take a tackle against a defender I expect he could bull over.

    PG just needs the ball fed to him more. He had a major drop last week that led to an interception but made up for it later with a tough catch falling backwards. He is still the best WR we have after the catch.

  9. celeoinc - Nov 12, 2015 at 8:59 AM

    It could the coaches and their schemes also. Kerrigan has a different position coach and a different DC. Offensively…for whatever reason Garçon and Cousins never achieved great chemistry. It could be coaching too. Garçon was awesome in the former regime. As far the inside linebackers go, it’s definitely the different scheme. The Defensive line plays totally different now compared to last year. There is no controlling gap anymore. If you ask me, coaching needs to step up the most.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 12, 2015 at 10:13 AM

      “It could the coaches and their schemes’


    • colmac69 - Nov 12, 2015 at 11:32 AM

      Yeh the d-line plays one gap instead if two gap which is change from last yr

      However inside guys still have same responsibility…they just not performing….outside guys same responsibility….they don’t scare opponents however

      We just don’t have the pieces in play right now to play the 3-4 at high level

      As was alluded in previous post gallete could b answer to outside pass rusher….still leaves us short a top quality inside guy plus a top notch safety

      I’m pretty sure the GM knows xactly what is required….I would like to think our defense will b much improved nxt yr and play at higher level than this

      • abanig - Nov 12, 2015 at 12:45 PM

        Not true, one gapping DL and two gapping is totally different. The DL doesnt have the same responsibilities it had in Haz’s D. That’s why the run D has been worse.

        • colmac69 - Nov 12, 2015 at 1:58 PM

          I was alluding to inside backers and outside backers having same responsibility not interior line

          I assume that u were thinking I was talking bout interior line

          I could made point clearer so I hold my hands up

        • abanig - Nov 12, 2015 at 10:46 PM

          Well I was thinking about the interior DL and the linebackers.

          I’d the scheme changes, it changes for the linebackers in run support as well.

          Everyone is one gapping now, not just the DL. In a two-gap scheme the DL holds two gaps so that the linebackers are hopefully untouched by offensive lineman and they can run free to tackle running backs.

          In a one gap scheme offensive lineman have a better chance at getting past your defensive lineman and getting to the second level to block the linebackers.

          So, if the DL don’t shoot a gap and make a play on the running back right away or at least make the running change direction so he goes into the arms of another Redskins defender like a running back, it could lead to a big running play for the opposing offense and has for the last 6 weeks.

  10. kenlinkins - Nov 12, 2015 at 9:41 AM

    OK Rich, It seems you were correct about the coin toss. It seems that teams winning the coin toss now defer about 70% of the time. In 2011 it was 41% (when the rule was changed in 2008 it was about 30%), in 2012 55%, 2013 65%, 2014 68% and now 70%. I guess old school guys like myself just didn’t see this happening and while I have not yet been sold on the idea I will not take on 70% of the NFL coach’s by disagreeing. In short, your were correct (again). thanks for the education.

  11. bharris757 - Nov 12, 2015 at 10:37 AM

    Idk how y’all say Kirk cousins has shown that he is the proven starter lol if we don’t win another game this season he’s still the proven starter ? Ok .. Cousins, Trent Murphy and Jason hatcher needs to be on this list ..I wouldn’t mind if we cut Ryan grant and Andre Roberts to get bigger stronger WRs 6’2+ These post about Djax and Garçon needing to be let go is ridiculous yea lets go ahead and cut our best players and start over again , that’s not how you build a dynasty you keep the core stars players and build around them threw the draft like SEA,GB,ARZ Etc. etc

    • bharris757 - Nov 12, 2015 at 10:59 AM

      Honestly I don’t care for gruden at all .. Bc he shows he is not a good coach .. He is a mediocre offensive coordinator at best .. He turned a team with a couple of pieces away from being a division leader again to a team competing to be at the bottom of the NFL .. Great coaches evaluates what they have on there rosters and fits a scheme to their strengths puts them in the best situation to be successful reason why us bc they are the ones actually playing .. Not force players to your scheme and not utilizing there strengths .. Then you coach them up on their weaknesses not give up on the players (RG3, Garçon, Morris ) He lied to get a job , we knew RG3 had flaws we knew that , that’s why we wanted to bring in someone that was goin to work with him take time to develop him . He gave up after one year shoot if he was gonna do that then we coulda kept mike shannahan at least Alfred Morris was a top 5 RB Pierre Garçon was a Top 10 WR (Statistically) and the defensive pieces we have now we would be on our way at least we would have a better secondary to cover for those Zero blitzes Haslett does .. All joe Barry does is sit back in prevent all day and expects 4 down lineman to get pressure smh we are a joke .. I do have faith in our GM and he will get it right !! That’s why I do believe there is a lot more ppl on the Hotseat then you guys think just for the simple fact he did not bring in these players or coaching staff ! HTTR ALWAYS !! #DisgruntledFan #StillLove

      • fwhalstead1 - Nov 12, 2015 at 12:21 PM

        You (bharris757) must be watching a different team. This team has not been 1 or 2 players away from anything in the last 15 years. Hopefully when Robert moves on you’ll either move on with him or get over being hurt that he never fully grasped what it took to play QB for Jay and Scot. Jay picked the right QB and Kirk is slowly but surely proving it to be the correct decision. As for Jay – you have ZERO idea what he said in his interview because you, just like the rest of us, we’re not in the room. At some point Robert has to DEVELOP via film work and play study. he’s not there yet but i do notice that he is constantly next to the QB coach on the sidelines which is a really good sign! I love Robert and hope he has a chance to stay and develop. Now onto the roster. This roster was never going to support more than 6 wins no matter who played. Scot, Jay, and Kirk are growing together – this team is vastly improved, has not quit on the coach once all year, and is showing all the signs of coming around like a good rebuilding team does. Jay will be back next year and possibly the following year while Scot rebuilds this roster that has been mismanaged for the past 15 years. I see a young 2nd year coach who is improving. I see a united locker room. I see a young 2nd year QB (yes I know he’s in his 4th year but realistically he’s a 2nd year player) who has done nothing but get better and better. My guess is that they’ll try to get Robert to renegotiate and if he doesn’t Kirk will get a 3 year 18 million contract with 10 mil guaranteed and could potentially become the next Joe Thiesman. It’s a TEAM and the TEAM needs lots of pieces and none of this will be solved completely for the next 2 years. That is why Jay and Kirk will be here for at least that long and that is why 1 or 2 PLAYERS is not going to fix it and 1 MORE COACHING CHANGE right now would be DISASTOROUS!.

        • abanig - Nov 12, 2015 at 12:41 PM

          If Kirk ever leads the Redskins to a division championship I’ll admit Gruden picked right qb, until then I personally disagree that Kirk is the right qb and Griffin was the wrong one

          I hope Kirk gets the job done but he hasn’t proven anything yet

        • brucefan1 - Nov 12, 2015 at 1:57 PM

          “I hope Kirk gets the job done but he hasn’t proven anything yet”

          I agree adam … except that ONE thing Kirk may have proven is that when the Redskins cut Griffin loose they won’t be left with an absolute Black Hole at QB (A GRAY hole maybe — not quite so deep, that you can sometimes see out of, and which can be properly filled a later time.)

          But as long as that $16 mill, injury-guaranteed contract is hanging over the proceedings, I can’t figure out how the Skins can ever bring Griffin back, no matter how Cuz (or even RG’s nemesis, Gru, for that matter) fares the rest of this season.

        • abanig - Nov 12, 2015 at 4:27 PM

          I’m not saying Griffin will be back or that he should be now. Just saying that I still don’t agree with the decision to start Cousins week 1. Cousins has played a little better than I expected him to, but he hasn’t exactly lit the world on fire either.

          I’m still not sold he gives the team the best chance to win because as Kevin Sheehan puts it, the biggest issue with Cousins is he does t make enough “off-schedule” plays. Kirk is great at running the offense like Grossman was the way the play is designed to go and hitting that first or second read when it’s open. Ask either player to move in the pocket a lot to buy time, escape pressure and make a play or do anything else off schedule and they generally fail and that’s when their biggest mistakes happen. It’s basically the antithesis of Griffin or many of these other qbs who were spread/read option qbs coming out.

          Truth is they all have things to work on and if Kirm can’t start making some “off schedule” plays then I’m not so sure he’s going to lead the Redskins to too many more wins than either of the other two qbs would ha have this year and our 3rd team qb is still two years younger than Cousins and less experienced as a drop back/west coast qb which to me means he has more room to grow as a qb and his ceiling is higher.

          Will Griffin ever get there? Impossible to tell, but I for one was willing to wait and see once and for all this season – and possibly next – if he could have but unfortunately we won’t get to see Griffin develop in DC, he’ll be doing that in another team’s uniform, possibly against the Redskins in our division for the team in Dallas.

        • bharris757 - Nov 12, 2015 at 2:07 PM

          Lol that’s your opinion sir and we are all entitled to one .. I can tell you this if you pull up our rosters and compare it with any team in our division we are pretty close if not better position by position except QB #Facts but again like I said b4 I love this team .. And Only time will tell still have plenty of games left ! #HTTR #HTTR

        • brucefan1 - Nov 12, 2015 at 5:18 PM

          At 4:27 abanig posted “I’m not saying Griffin will be back or that he should be now. Just saying that I still don’t agree with the decision to start Cousins week 1.”

          You may not know it — which means that you’ve been ignoring me! Smart move — but I am one of those fans on the same page as you on that topic. (Which is just a long way of saying “ditto”!)

          Wonder what percentage of Redskins fans belong that motley crew?

        • abanig - Nov 12, 2015 at 10:37 PM

          I do know that you think Griffin should have started week 1 as well

      • John - Nov 12, 2015 at 2:31 PM

        A few pieces away? Try a few big pieces. A big time center for the offensive line, a receiver with size and speed who demands double coverage, a running back who can cut and go with a burst, a defensive lineman that is disruptive in pass rush and stopping the run, a safety.

        Garcon is a complimentary receiver. They lack a #1 receiver. He caught a ton of balls in 2013 because no one else was there. Kerrigan performs as a pass rusher when he has another guy crashing down from the other side. Trenton Robinson is terrible. Jason Hatcher has done what? Just to name a few.

        Alfred Morris seems indecisive out there and his production has dropped each year since 2012. What has Robert done since 2012? This team is in the running right now because the Cowboys have been playing without Romo and Bryant. The Eagles are integrating a lot of new pieces that don’t necessarily gel and the Giants are missing a few pieces but can be up and down like a yo yo.

        Bottom line, changing the coach is not going to make a big difference. Scott M himself said this team is going to need 3 seasons before they can compete with the heavy hitters (NE, GB, Seattle, Denver, Carolina, etc.).

        • fwhalstead1 - Nov 12, 2015 at 3:02 PM

          Well said – I am not quite sure why (although I think I UNDERSTAND) folks seem to think that this roster was anywhere near being a playoff team. Not sure why they can’t see that Cousins is the right choice and has improved greatly over the last 4 games. I am a fan of the TEAM. I don’t care 1 bit about any INDIVIDUAL player. I know what I saw last year. I know what I saw earlier this year, and I know what I’ve seen these last 4 games. GROWTH at the HC and QB spots on this team. Skins are basically putting an entire back end of the defense on the field that are at best backup players. They have in place an Oline that basically only has 2 legit starters on it. They lack depth and talent all across the board due to a roster that has been treated like a fantasy football team for the last 15 years. While I appreciate the optimism I think it is a bit misguided and based more on hope than reality by some of our fellow fans. I also think the pessimism and constant cries for change are a direct result from a fan base that has grown weary of sub par ownership. I suggest that the Skins give it 2 more years with ZERO change at the 2 most critical positions on the team as it relates to stability – the QB and the HC. By then we’ll have a firm fix on whether the GM has built this roster with enough talent and depth that those 2 spots are truly what is holding this team back. Right now those 2 spots ARE NOT holding this team back. A lack of depth and a lack of talent caused directly from 15 years of mismanagement of the roster is what is holding this team back. 48 years a fan and as always – I’M ALL IN! HTTR!

        • abanig - Nov 12, 2015 at 4:10 PM

          Bottom line is that’s a wish list you just listed. Let’s keep in mind that Matt Jones was more explosive, cutting better and had more of a burst before the Atlanta game when he sprained his big toe.

          It’d be nice to have the perfect offense and have pro bowler or all-pro players at every position you listed but is it necessary to win?

          No, no it is not. The Redskins have won in the past and won Super Bowls in the past by being the best coached team and by being the best “team” that worked together the best in the NFL. They didn’t always have the major talent in the 80s, or in 99 or 2012 when they won the division but they had a really good team they excuted well and made plays when it mattered most.

          I think on offense the skins have the talent necessary, it’s just going to be another year or two until their young players mature and execute at a higher level.

          On defense, I think the skins need an upgrade at one position on every level of their defense in order to have a playoff caliber defense.

          1. They need 1 dominant defensive lineman. I like Chris Baker, but he should be a good defenses 3rd or 4th best starter, NOT their best starter.

          2. The Redskins need an upgrade at ROLB – they need a speed pass rusher there. Maybe that person is Junior Gallette next year if he’s healthy, but I’m not sure we should put all our eggs in that basket again. We need to sign another speed/situational rusher as well.

          3. The skins need an upgrade at ILB over Riley and Compton. Riley should be gone, and Compton shouldn’t be a starter.

          4. They need a FS who can cover and make plays on the ball. I’ve been calling for this since 08. It’s a major deficiency with the skins’ defense and until they have a FS who can get some ints, force turnovers and be a more sound tackler than what we’ve had since Taylor was killed this defense isn’t going to be near top 5 again.

        • bangkokben - Nov 12, 2015 at 5:01 PM

          I’m going to agree with abanig here with the one caveat being injuries. Had these Redskins had the same luck as the Bengals when it comes to injuries to starters then this conversation would have a completely different starting point. Here’s the list on offense:
          LG Shawn Lauvao
          C Korey Lichtensteiger
          TE Niles Paul (Derek Carrier isn’t anywhere close which completely limits the team in the two TE formations)
          WR DeSean Jackson

          And defense:
          CB Chris Culliver
          CB DeAngelo Hall
          OLB Junior Gallette
          SS Duke Ihenacho

          That’s just the starters that have missed significant time. When you throw in the injuries to the back-ups or the starters that missed a lone game here or the walking wounded like Kerrigan, Hatcher, and others; then you see a squad that’s competing despite being depleted. Sure other teams have injuries and injuries to star players but when your team doesn’t have star players, every starter counts. Regardless of what you think of the quality of that player, it has obviously had an adverse affect on the team. None of the replacements have been an immediate upgrade – even Breeland although he is the closest. I’d argue that with better injury luck this team would be 5-3 instead of 3-5. Doesn’t matter. Point is that even if abanig is right in what this team needs to make it consistently competitive and you get that stud safety injured and you’re likely staring at this same scenario. I think this organization has done well in TRYING to provide depth but sometimes there are circumstance beyond your control. The TE position, the CB position, the C position, etc. I’m hoping that Brian de la Puente is better than Will Blackmon and MUCH better than Derrick Carrier but as much as we like to say next man up, it rarely yields instant fruit. Blackmon, de la Puente, and Carrier are cases where the FO decided that it was best to get someone off the street rather than to elevate youth and inexperience or continue with youth and inexperience.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 12, 2015 at 5:23 PM

      This thread looks like competition for the one who comments with the most words.

      • goback2rfk - Nov 12, 2015 at 9:26 PM

        This is one of the worst threads I have seen in awhile. I usually read other peoples comments but when they are more than 4 sentences or so long I pass on it.

  12. abanig - Nov 12, 2015 at 12:36 PM

    Code red part deux

    • bangkokben - Nov 12, 2015 at 5:12 PM

      Yep. I’ve got a 12-pack queued up for the week. I’ll be flying on the caffeine and the taste of liquid Swedish fish.

      You know I agree with you about the ceilings of Kirk and Robert but the coach had to determine who gave the team the best chance to win this year and that was Kirk. Keim stated a few weeks ago that the staff was willing to live with the sacks but that they just couldn’t run the entire offense with Griffin. Off-schedule is important as long as you know the schedule and can complete it on time when it is there. That is where Griffin was too far behind Cousins to let him grow into it. I’m of the belief that we will see Randall Cunningham 2.0 or see Griffin learning behind Romo in Dallas but who knows maybe the FO allows Cousins to walk and renegotiates with Griffin and then we really feel it’s groundhog day.

      • John - Nov 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM

        We won Super Bowls back in the 1980s with less talent. Seriously?

        Ever heard of “The Hogs”
        Russ Grimm – Hall of Fame
        Joe Jacoby – Hall of Fame candidate, one of very few who could handle LT one on one.
        Mark May
        Jeff Bostic
        George Starke
        Jim Lachey
        Mark Schlereth

        How about the receivers:
        Art Monk – Hall of Fame
        Gary Clark – Several Pro Bowls
        Ricky Sanders
        Charlie Brown – Pro Bowler

        Dexter Manley – Pro Bowler
        Charles Mann – Pro Bowler
        Dave Butz – Pro Bowler
        Darell Green – Hall of Fame

        Joe Theismann

        Running Back:
        John Riggins – Hall of Fame

        Special Teams:
        Mark Mosley
        Mike Nelms – Pro Bowler
        Brian Mitchell – Pro Bowler

        1982: Super Bowl Winners
        1983: Lost Super Bowl but the team scored 541 points (NFL record at the time, +47 on turnovers 14-2 regular season and 2 losses were by 1 point each).
        1984: NFC East Champs, lost to Chicago in divisional playoff game.
        1986: Wild Card, eventually lost to Giants in NFC Championship Game.
        1987: Won Super Bowl
        1990: Wild Card lost in divisional to 49ers.
        1991: Won Super Bowl
        1992: Wild Card, beat Vikings, lost to 49ers.

        After 1992, they headed straight downhill until winning the NFC East in 1999.

        They did not have the talent of the 1970s Steelers or Cowboys but they still had a lot of talent.
        Sorry to say the current coaching staff does not have much talent to work with. Other than Trent Williams and Jordan Reed can you name any other Pro Bowlers?

        • abanig - Nov 12, 2015 at 7:25 PM

          I didn’t say the 80’s skins had less talent than today’s skins. Or at least that’s not what i meant.

          What I meant is that they had less talent on their teams than other teams in league at the time like say the 49ers and Giants and probably a few others I can’t think of.

          I know the skins had talent that decade and in 91, but what made them the best was the way the teams’ internal player leadership and the coaching staff made them a team that cared about each other. Those teams treated each other like family, like brothers and it showed.

          I don’t see Gruden creating that atmosphere, that I’ll do my job right so I don’t let the guy down next to me attitude. It’s just not there and I don’t think Gruden is capable of creating it like Gibbs did and the best coaches of today and of all-time did and do.

      • abanig - Nov 12, 2015 at 7:20 PM

        Right and this is why I’ve said over the years that the Redskins as an organization – and that starts from the top down – can’t see the forest for the trees.

        The skins don’t develop for the long term. Every coach they’ve had since Norv Turner has been in the business of how can we win right now, this year…

        Not, what’s the best long term for the franchise. This is why the Redskins haven’t ever been built long term, really since free agency began in… 94 was it?

        If the skins as an organization and their coaches were meow long term thinking and more where will their players be in 3-5 years instead of right now, Shanahan would have had Griffin in more of a drop back offense in 2012.

        Mike Shanahan didn’t though, because he and Kyle were worried about winning to save their jobs. They hadn’t won in the 2 years they had been in DC so they had to put a Griffin in a position where he could help the team win right away, and worry about developing him as a pocket passer after we get a winning season with him under our belt.

        How did that work out?

        The same thing is happening with Gruden right now.

        I like Kirk, I think he can be an above average qb who may… May… With top talent all around him perform like Andy Dalton in 2/3 years, like Andy does with arguably the greatest playmakers in the NFL at his disposal.

        I’ll always have some issue with the skins not giving their top pick and the guy with the highest ceiling every chance imaginable within his rookie contract to be the long term answer for the franchise at qb.

        Giving up on Griffin for Cousins doesn’t make sense to me, and I don’t think it ever will unless in a few years Cousins is a playoff winning qb, and Griffin is still a back up…

        • John - Nov 12, 2015 at 7:57 PM

          Except for the 49ers and Giants there were very few teams with comparable talent and coaching (Walsh and Par cells). The Cowboys and Steelers were fading at that point.

          Back then, the team had a coach and GM. They could stash guys on IR and free agency did not exist.

          Fast forward to today. No GM since Casserly was cut loose in 1999. Multiple coaching changes. Winning in the off season. Blowing the draft year after year.

          Shanahan started Griffin in the gimmick offense to take advantage of his skill set. After 2012, RG3 refused to be the athlete that made that work and fancied himself a pocket passer which he was not and still is not ready for. He has no pocket presence. He does not move into the cup of slide to help his lineman. Its not something that is learned. He makes the same errors he made last year and has not grown. How long do you wait for him to catch up and do you pay him big bucks as a #2 or #3? What kind of message does that tell your starter?

          Until the team improves the talent level its not going to win many games regardless of who coaches. I like Gruden because he is blunt in Hus assessments and has a sense of humor. He is putting some nice plays together but players have to execute. They seem to be playing better this year. Scott M has said its going to take at least 3 years. There are not many qbs available, so ride with Jay and Kirk and build around them. Kirk is well on his way to being very good. He just needs more seasoning.

          Regarding the defense and special teams. The defense is playing hard but lacks a pass rush and the d coordinator does not blitz much. Better that than Hazlett who called those 0 blitzes that killed us so many times. Perhaps as talent improves Barry will take more chances.

          Special teams have sucked since they lost Lorenzo, Doughty and a few others like NP to injury thus year.

          Just have patience, better days are ahead.

        • abanig - Nov 12, 2015 at 10:33 PM

          Am I the only one who realizes two things…

          1. Dr Andrews determined that Griffin could do “certain things” when the 2013 NFL season began. Now, I don’t ever remember him elaborating on what those things were, but any idiot can guess that Griffin was cleared to play week 1 vs Phila but wasn’t cleared to run any read option plays.

          You know how I know? The Redskins didn’t run any read option plays for several weeks when the seasons began.

          2. You say well that’s Griffin’s fault because he told the head coach he wouldn’t run them. We who cares what a player tells a coach?

          The coach calls the plays, does he not?

          So, even if Griffin and Shanahan were told by Andrews that Griffin cousins run read option to start the season because it put his knee at unnecessary risk and if Griffin did tell Shanahan he wouldn’t run the read option, why does it matter?

          The head coach determines what plays are run! It was ultimately Shanahan’s decision, just like it was ultimate Shanahan’s decision to keep playing a badly hurt Griffin in the 2012 playoff game against the Seahawks. When you are a head coach you determine who goes in the game and you can determine what plays are & aren’t run.

          So, it’s still all the 62 year old Shanahan’s fault Griffin got further injured in the 2012 playoff game and it was still the Shanahan’s decision to not have Griffin run the read option plays.

          I also fail to see how Griffin 100% refused to run the read option again after 2012 because he ran the read option during the season in 2013!!

          By week 3 agains the Lions, Griffin was running some read option plays, so you know what I’ve determined?

          Mike Shanahan in a pathological liar and he has most of the Redskins
          Media and some fans believing whatever he says because they don’t like RG3 anymore

      • abanig - Nov 12, 2015 at 7:33 PM

        I agree with your response to my last post as well bang. If the skins were healthy this year – particularly with Jackson, Paul, Galette, and Culliver, we’d be 5-3 and in first place in the division or at worst 4-4 right now and tied with the Eagles for 2nd place and a 1/2 game behind the Giants.

        Injuries always happen though so that just is what it is. The depth we have is just too young and inexperienced to play at our season beginning projected starting line up was.

        • John - Nov 12, 2015 at 9:51 PM

          Yes, if we had those guys, we’d be a tad bit better. Perhaps as much as 5-3.

          Keep in mind that Carrier has been a nice fill in for Niles and may surpass him. We’ve not seen Galette in a Skins uniform so, not sure how big a difference he’d make. Coming into the season Culliver was to be our best corner, by now? Jackson with the hamstring is always possible with speedy players (Santana Moss comes to mind).

          The Offensive line has a good nucleus, they need a big time center to pull them together and strengthen the running game and adjust protections, who can handle the mental and physical parts of the position. Steiger is undersized for a power running game. Lereibus is hot and cold.

          The defensive line lacks a pass rusher. If they rush 4, they got problems. They needs real beast.

          Kerrigan is good but he needs a beast on the other side. Perry can’t shed blocks or cover. Robinson has been off this year. Smith is still learning as he transits from D line to linebacker.MMurphy plays well against the run. Might be better if he played on Kerrigans side or perhaps in the middle.

          Secondary needs a Safety. Goldston takes bad angles. Robinson can’t cover. Perhaps having Inacho would have helped but he’s out.Deangelo is coming to the end. Breeland and Culliver start and maybe Blackmon or Jarret.

          Garvin is a good #2
          Crowder a slot, possibly in mold of Gary Clark.
          Ryan Grant, what can’t he do wrong?
          Andre – to many drops and poor on kick returns. He needs to go.

          Tight Ends:
          Reed is a matchup nightmare who has trouble staying healthy.
          Carrier is not a bad blocker and can catch and run and is still learning the game. He and Reed are the future with Paul assuming the ankle heals.

          Running Backs:
          Morris is really indecisive at present. Has been in decline each year since 2012.
          Jones needs to tape a football to hs arm and live with it. Don Breaux did that with Keith Griffin back in the early 89s and he stopped fumbling. Jones also needs to wait for his blockers to get into position.
          DY is not being used much as passing out of an I formation does not work to well. In addition, they seem to like to use multiple tight ends or go spread, to run or pass.

          Cousins gets the team lined up right (have not seen much in the way of time outs called due to confusion with other qbs in past years). He counts and double counts and hard counts well, he reads the field, moves into the pocket and slides to help the lineman with blocks. Result, very few sacks. He also gets rid of the ball in 2.5 to 3 seconds. He could run more, when the opportunity presents itself or when things break down. He’s thrown pics but what quarterback doesn’t? Quarterbacks learn through playing. The more he plays, the game slows down for him, the better he’ll get. It takes 2 – 3 years for most qbs to “get it”. When he has been in there, they have moved the ball consistently and throws to multiple receivers. He is a facilitator.
          RG3 needs a lot of work. Cooleys film breakdown will tell you what’s wrong, but in a nutshell, he does not read the field. Does not move into or slide in the pocket. Gets sacked because the line does not know where he is. Pretty much makes the same mistakes as in the 2 previous seasons.
          McCoy is a perennial backup. You can get by with him for a game or 2 if you starter goes down but that’s it. Remember he was the guy that Brandon Weeden replaced in Cleveland who was supposed to be replaced by Manziel and replaced by Matt Cassel in Dallas.

          Special teams for 2 years have been anything but special. Just waiting for the next disaster.

          They have some players but they need some real studs.

    • goback2rfk - Nov 12, 2015 at 8:06 PM

      Nah. No code red here. The season is almost a wash in my opinion. Obviously were are not going very far with this squad. I am happy to see they are trying to get better though. I remember you saying Drew Brees has a weak arm weeks ago and you would not want him as a QB. Then he goes out a ties the league record with 7 TD passes in a game. You will see what hall of famer Drew Brees can do on Sunday. I am sure he will light us up even playing outside on the grass.

  13. Givemorrisachance - Nov 12, 2015 at 6:57 PM

    Would love to see just one game the skins give Morris the ball 25 carries. See if he warms up. At least would know what we have with him Archives

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