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Need to Know: Another Code Red coming up for the Redskins

Nov 10, 2015, 5:49 AM EDT


Here is what you need to know on this Tuesday, November 10, five days before the Washington Redskins host the New Orleans Saints.

Might as well go ahead and call another Code Red

Jay Gruden isn’t calling it a “Code Red” again, but Sunday’s game against the 4-5 Saints is every bit as critical as the pre-bye game against the Bucs.

The Redskins sit at 3-5 with a game in Charlotte against the undefeated Panthers following the Saints game. If they lose to the Saints, a three-game losing streak seems very likely. While the team has yet to put together a winning streak this year, they have managed to avoid a prolonged losing streak. They lost two games in a row in Weeks 5 and 6 and that is the worst that they have had this year.

But a loss to the Saints following the defeat at the hands of the Patriots on Sunday could be the start of the type of extended skid we saw last year. In 2014 they entered the midpoint of the season at 3-5. But they lost their next six games and instead of having meaningful games in December they were playing out the string.

With the NFC East melting into a mass of mediocrity this year, the Redskins have a legitimate shot at the division title. If they are truly an improved team from last year, at the very least they should be able to remain in contention for the playoff spot and the home playoff game that goes with it until late in the season.

Yes, the Saints can score some points. They are sixth in the NFL with an average of 26.8 per game. But they have a leaky defense; they are 31st in the league in scoring defense, giving up 28.9 points per game. In a more advanced way of viewing it, Football Outsiders has the Saints ranked dead last in defensive DVOA at 16.9 percent. And that was before they gave up 371 yards and four touchdown passes to Marcus Mariota on Sunday.

The Redskins, however, can’t worry about all of that. They are currently 28th in the league points scored. Sure, they need to figure out how to exploit the specific weaknesses in the Saints’ personnel and scheme. But the Redskins can’t go in thinking that they’re facing a bad defense because, in many ways, they are a bad offense.

Gruden, of course, isn’t about pull out the “Code Red” terminology he used before the Bucs game, even though it worked. You can only go to that well once a year or so, certainly not twice in a three-game span.

No doubt, the players understand the urgency, regardless of what Gruden may or may not say. They say they are a different group from the one that is around last year with some new faces and improved holdover players. Maybe the Redskins have changed but if they get the same results they got a year ago it will be all the same to the fans of the team.


Today’s schedule: Player meetings, no player availability.

Days until: Saints @ Redskins 5; Redskins @ Panthers 12; Giants @ Redskins 19

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  1. colorofmyskinz - Nov 10, 2015 at 6:07 AM

    Agreed. If we lose this game I see as many as 5 in a row. This game will tell us if we have a shot at the title. If we lose it also pretty much confirms we are out of the title hunt.

    Complete code red game for sure. I would even say the entire season rides on the win or lose in this game. Either it gives us hope or it shuts down all hope.


    • goback2rfk - Nov 10, 2015 at 7:47 AM

      I agree. If we lose this game we could be as far as 3 games back behind the Giants with only 7 games to play. Seems unlikely we have a shot at the division but there is always a chance I suppose.
      Time to put the big boy pants on as Koby Bryant would say. I want to see them run the damn ball this game.

      • Mr.moneylover - Nov 10, 2015 at 12:35 PM

        If jay gruden had two weeks to prepare for new England and struggle to beat Tampa bay there’s no way we winning this division we gotta play the giants still and we got to play the panthers….jay gruden struggling to put a solid game plan together….I think a good defensive coach as our head coach will do this team really good then get a offensive coordinator who know how to put up a lot of points maybe gotta turn to look at a college OC if nobody available with a proven record in the nfl…something like what the falcons did and the vikings did

    • Trey Gregory - Nov 11, 2015 at 1:38 AM

      To be honest, I’m sick and tired of hearing people bring up the playoffs in relation to this team. Just because they’re in an awful division doesn’t mean they’re a playoff team. Any realistic fan knew this wasn’t a playoff team in the pre season. They’re not supposed to be a playoff team. I agree that this is a pretty critical game, but only for team moral and because it’s one of the few left we have a chance of winning.

      This season was never supposed to be about the playoffs. It was supposed to be about the rebuild. Showing progress, finding out which players are worth keeping around, building an identity and figuring out what needs to happen at QB in 2016. Calling this season a bust because they don’t make the playoffs is short sighted. Rebuilds don’t happen overnight.

      I just want to see improvement. That technically means 5 wins. Although, what I really want to see is improvement on the field. I want them to look better and I want them to be competitive even in the games they lose.

      Maybe I’m the weirdo here, but my team doesn’t have to be in the postseason hunt for me to enjoy watching them. It would be nice, but it’s not realistic for this team. I just want to see Scot’s plan in action, I want to see it start tonwork. That’s a good season to me; to see progress.

      And I do believe this is a better team than last year. It may be hard for fans of other teams to fathom that, but this team was SO incredibly bad last year that even a big improvement was bound to still lead to a losing record. That’s just reality guys, doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy the process.

      • Skulb - Nov 11, 2015 at 2:57 AM

        Look, this is a Redskins site. It is strictly forbidden to make sense here, so please stop it or I will tell Tandler on you.

      • squawonthewarpath - Nov 11, 2015 at 7:18 AM

        Thanks, Trey, for a great realistic viewpoint.

  2. skinsgame - Nov 10, 2015 at 7:31 AM

    Code red and title hunt? They cant run and they cant stop the run. This is not a playoff team, its a developing team. Any win is just gravy.

    • goback2rfk - Nov 10, 2015 at 7:49 AM

      playoffs?! you said playoffs? playoffs?! I just hope to win a game!

    • thirdistheworrd - Nov 10, 2015 at 8:59 AM

      I’m with you, don’t even see why we want to win. Tanking is for curly-haired men and people who need glasses, but there’s no real reason to get angry over losses at this point– especially if those losses can net us a DB like Jalen Ramsey or Vernon Hargreaves in next year’s draft.

      • hail74 - Nov 10, 2015 at 4:13 PM

        I would also add losses to defending Super Bowl champions and other undefeated teams would hardly be cause for panic. The saints have been on fire offensively and unless we’re getting fully healthy on defense where would the panic be in that either? We knew going in we weren’t a competitive team so why cry about it now? Just because the other teams in our division are inept too? Well then let them fire everyone and give us a leg up on getting better for seasons to come. Having said that It would be nice to win the division and I don’t see either New Orleans or Carolina as improbable to beat as New England.

    • Trey Gregory - Nov 11, 2015 at 1:44 AM

      Well said guys. Winning is almost pointless except to keep the guys motivated and to improve on last year’s record. A higher draft pick is much more valuable than winning 4-5 more games. We wouldn’t stand a chance in the playoffs anyway.

      I’m all for drafting some better defenders, but I can’t help but eye the potential 1st round QBs too. It’s not like Derick Carr and Teddy Bridgewater (or even Aaron Rogers) were top two picks. We all saw what happened when we got a top 2 QB anyway.

      I wouldn’t mind drafting a QB and letting him play behind Cousins while we continue the rebuild then hand him a better team once he’s had a couple years to prepare. But I can also understand why some of you would want to punch me in the face for saying we should hold on to Cousins a couple more years. Soooo, yeah, at least the draft and free agency should be interesting.

  3. goback2rfk - Nov 10, 2015 at 7:43 AM

    I have said it before and I will say it again, ‘Code Pink’ for the pink slip Scott will be handing out to Jay come black Monday.
    Even if they end up with the same record as last year as a long term fan I do see a difference in this team in a positive light. It is obvious they are changing or at least trying to change for the better.
    The run game is shocking, I find it hard to believe we can’t run anymore. Maybe this week they get that aspect of the game turned around. Maybe they will feature Morris and give him 20 carries.

    • thirdistheworrd - Nov 10, 2015 at 8:53 AM

      If you see a positive difference, why would you fire Gruden? The best teams are those with continuity. If you fire your coach every two years for not winning the NFC East with a lousy team you will never build a successful franchise. I’m not the biggest Gruden fan, but I’m also not a fan of changing offensive systems every two years.

      Besides, McCloughan promised a playoff berth in 2016, I don’t see him firing Gruden before that.

      • YOU LIKE THAT - Nov 10, 2015 at 9:24 AM

        Only uneducated peeps want the coaches fired constantly. And the ones saying to dump games to get some smuck in draft. The ignorance is deep.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 10, 2015 at 11:43 AM

          I carry multiple majors so I’m sure that I’m more educated, intelligent, and better looking than anyone who calls someone else “uneducated peeps” just because they have a different opinion. Goback2rfk has a valid point about Gruden not being a Scot hire. Just like players, coaching hires from past GMs are far more vulnerable than ones that are direct hires. Now with that said, I think Gruden’s guaranteed contract makes any firing a bit complicated. The fact that Gruden has a pattern of poor running teams since he was an OC starts to indicate a clear issue with his coaching. Gruden doesn’t look as bad as HC as last season however he hasn’t looked significantly better to warrant him assurance he wont be fired.

          Also try getting a grown up user name instead of some flash in he pan catch phrase that clearly shows you are nothing more than a Cousin’s homer.

        • bangkokben - Nov 10, 2015 at 2:42 PM

          What’s wrong with being a Cousins homer? Is it somehow better to be a Griffin homer, a DeAngelo Hall homer, a Kedric Golston homer, or a Rashad Ross homer? Educated – congratulations on your achievements and I wish you the best in paying off your student loans, JD, but that hardly gives you the moral authority to assert your seniority here or your selectively attack someone’s syntax. I’m sure if the guy’s moniker was #knowyourwhy you wouldn’t find “uneducated peeps” noteworthy.

        • squawonthewarpath - Nov 10, 2015 at 5:48 PM

          Carrying multiple majors and having intelligence is a good thing. Being a pompous windbag is not.

        • brucefan1 - Nov 10, 2015 at 6:24 PM

          “Only uneducated peeps want the coaches fired constantly”

          So true … so true… but it’s only EDUCATED fans who want “mediocre” (at best) coaches fired constantly, because they know you can’t make chicken salad outta chickenshpit — no matter how good the recipe is.

        • YOU LIKE THAT - Nov 10, 2015 at 7:21 PM

          To even speak of firing anyone right now is ignorant st best. We just played a team to take notes from.

        • YOU LIKE THAT - Nov 10, 2015 at 7:29 PM

          Better looking multiple majors More intelligent…. In your own world, your a trashman at best. Dropped out in 9th grade, 2-3 baby mama’s. I know I’m close, come on .brother.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 10, 2015 at 7:45 PM

          “Better looking multiple majors More intelligent…. ”

          Of course there was a “baited” phrase in my comment for real pompous jacka$$ in the room. Was the statement outrageous? Yes! Just like calling someone uneducated for holding an opinion about getting another coach. Oh, I do have the education son but the appearance thing was just to ruffle some blowhard who wouldn’t carry that same conversation in person.

        • YOU LIKE THAT - Nov 10, 2015 at 9:24 PM

          I don’t need to worry about it. Skins will hold on to Gruden for at least another year. You fire happy peeps can keep crying…

        • squawonthewarpath - Nov 10, 2015 at 11:20 PM

          Why should anyone who is so intelligent find it necessary to brag about such?

      • goback2rfk - Nov 10, 2015 at 10:30 AM

        I never said I wanted to fire Gruden. I don’t think Gruden is Scott’s guy but I dont know anything im just a fan with no inside info. Scott did not pick Jay and you have to wonder if Scott is a Gruden guy or not. I dont think he is.

      • Mr.moneylover - Nov 10, 2015 at 12:46 PM

        I think you wrong…scot m. Gave jay gruden whatever he wanted he gotta show results that this team getting better year by year and if we don’t have a record up to his standard he will let jay gruden go…its a reason why he watch practice sometimes up close he wanna see how players responding to the coaches….who to say he don’t already got a idea of what coach he want to bring in….jay gruden said after the Tampa bay game if he would’ve lost that game he don’t know if he would be standing here right now he laugh about it but overall that probably would’ve been true

        • hail74 - Nov 10, 2015 at 4:27 PM

          You honestly think Scot gave gruden everything he wanted? That would be an impossible task in on offseason. Unless gruden wanted an entire secondary constructed of marginal talent and then lost to injury and no viable TEs sans the injury prone Reed. There’s still quite a bit of roster construction going on.

      • Trey Gregory - Nov 11, 2015 at 1:55 AM

        I agree with what Third and You Like That are saying here.

        I’m not certain Gruden is a great coach either (although I do like the flashes of offensive scheme he shows on the rare occasions that he opens the playbook. Like at the end of the Tampa game) but I truly don’t believe he is a bad coach. I think he can get this team through a couple years of a rebuild anyway.

        It’s a good point that Gruden wasn’t a Scot hire, but that doesn’t take away from the fact that changing coaches every two years usually hurts a team more than It helps. Some will say that consistency is a result of winning, but if you look back at NFL history, that simply isn’t true. Tom Landry is a great example; he was not successful at all at first. Maybe Marvin Lewis is a decent example that’s more recent.

        I do see improvement in this team and I give Gruden at least some of that credit. It can’t all be given to the GM. Gruden hasn’t proven that he can coach a team to the playoffs, but he hasn’t proven that he can’t either. He’s hardly had the team he wanted or the talent around him for us to really know what kind of a coach he is too. This team simply isn’t there yet. We need probably 2-3 more good drafts and years of smart free agent pickups before any coach could reasonably be expected to do much.

        I also give Gruden a pass for a lot of last year. He was awful, and I understand if you guys aren’t so forgiving. But it was his first year as a HC and I believe he was given the job too early. He’s growing into it though. He may turn out to be a pretty decent coach because of it. We already endured his growing pains. We may as well see if we can reap the benefits. Because, short of Bill Belichick coming to us, I don’t think any coach could do a whole hell of a lot with the current roster.

    • John - Nov 10, 2015 at 11:02 AM

      Scott and Jay are very much on the same page. They both realize this team is lacking in talent. The offensive line could use a big time center. We need a receiver with size and speed. We need a safety. We need another inside backer. We needa stud lineman upfront on defense that can chew up qbs and take up multiple blockers. As long as the team shows progress, not necessarily in the win column, Gruden will be around. They are all ready more competitive. Except for the Giants and Patriots, they’ve been in every game. Kirk has gotten better each week. This team is not a playoff team. They can win maybe 7 games this year. That’s not enough for the Superbowl or Playoffs. So stop with all the talk of Jay needs to go, blah, blah, blah…

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Nov 10, 2015 at 11:49 AM

        “Scott and Jay are very much on the same page. They both realize this team is lacking in talent. ”

        I’d very much like a link to the story that reports both statements above. Or maybe you are just providing hyperboles to your opinion.

        • colmac69 - Nov 10, 2015 at 3:04 PM

          Unless we in skins hierarchy no one can say for definite what relationship is btwn Gm and coach

          However guys who cover skins and have lot more knowledge and inside info than us mere mortals, have mentioned at various points that,from what they believe, both are on same page and have similar opinions on way forward

          Even so if the Gm feels changes need to b made at some point then I’m sure big decisions will b made

        • ajbus1 - Nov 10, 2015 at 6:36 PM

          John and colmac are right. Why are some obsessed with needing a link to have an opinion on here? It’s not that hard to figure out they’re on the same page. There’s really only one page to be on and John just described it. We need more talent, period. The only way to evaluate a roster like this is to gauge their competitiveness. If for some reason the team implodes over the remaining games and don’t look like they’re giving it their all, it will be time to question Gruden’s standing with McC. Effort is on the coach, talent is on the GM.

        • brucefan1 - Nov 10, 2015 at 7:27 PM

          “I’d very much like a link to the story that reports both statements above. Or maybe you are just providing hyperboles to your opinion.”

          Awww leave John alone, JD — that his style! (And besides, he’s VERY sensitive! So be nice. ;^} )

  4. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Nov 10, 2015 at 7:45 AM

    Who ordered the Code Red?

    Colonel Nathan Tandler, that’s who!

    • maxpower65 - Nov 10, 2015 at 8:03 AM

      Don’t you mean: Gruden can’t handle the truth!

  5. Blackbutcolorblind - Nov 10, 2015 at 8:16 AM

    I think a lot depends on upcoming nfc east games. Even more than this game. Not sure code red quite yet rich. Lose this one and win against giants eagles and 2 times agaisnt cowboys than we r one and from Giants. Giants jsit have to lose to us once and one other game and we would still control own destiny.

    • ET - Nov 10, 2015 at 11:32 AM

      This team can control its own destiny by winning some frackin’ games. At this point, any speculation about the postseason hunt seems premature.

  6. Blackbutcolorblind - Nov 10, 2015 at 8:21 AM

    Also. Our o line push has got to learn to run back. They can’t get pushed back and expert s running back to run more than 2.5 yards a carry. Two good running backs and neither can run means problem isn’t the running backs. More the line and predictive running play calling. Nothing innovative like patriots

    • John - Nov 10, 2015 at 10:50 AM

      Check out the Cooley film breakdown on Craig Hoffman’s blog on He has the plays broken down with highlighted pics showing where the blockers have things blocked and Alfred hesitates and had a couple of options and pussyfoots around and ends up with a yard, when he should have had at least 8. The line is doing great for a young bunch. The backs are the ones that need to get their act together.

      • ajbus1 - Nov 10, 2015 at 6:38 PM

        I think losing Lauvao has really hurt too.

  7. pennstate63 - Nov 10, 2015 at 9:29 AM

    When it comes to the skins opponents, It never matters what the team’s ranking is. The skins somehow have a knack for bringing out the best performances in the other team. The Saints 31st rank defense will probably look like a top 5 defense on sunday.

  8. Blackbutcolorblind - Nov 10, 2015 at 9:55 AM

    How about trying another player conversion experiment? Like trying rg3 at center

    • YOU LIKE THAT - Nov 10, 2015 at 10:58 AM

      I was kind of hoping Bob was used as a receiver against Pats. But him getting hurt would be our luck. I do hope he renegotiates contract and stays a Skin.

      • brucefan1 - Nov 10, 2015 at 7:30 PM

        “I do hope he renegotiates contract and stays a Skin”

        Haha! You and Jay Gruden BOTH, right??!

        Funny stuff!!

    • goback2rfk - Nov 10, 2015 at 10:58 AM

      Rg3 is a beast at free safety, even has some reps with the practice squad defense. Rob can punt pretty good also i here.

      • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Nov 10, 2015 at 11:39 AM

        We need inside linebackers that can make tackles, also.

        • ET - Nov 10, 2015 at 12:12 PM

          We need a whole lotta motherscratchers who can make tackles, not just inside ‘backers. I think it’s fair to say we’ve seen terrible tackling / angles from every defensive position group, including the ILBs.

        • Mr.moneylover - Nov 10, 2015 at 12:22 PM

          Agree our inside linebackers be putting our CBs and safties in trouble they always out of position….perry Riley can’t cover and Keenan Robinson has speed to cover but not strong enough to get off of Offensive linemen

  9. adunbar2006 - Nov 10, 2015 at 12:00 PM

    No. Wanting a coach who is not only unproven, but hasn’t shown any promise of developing himself into a formidable coach deserves to be fired. You need not look further than what Cincy is doing now as evident that Jay is not a good game planner. He has absolutely no clue on how to adjust his schemes to counter an opposing team. There will always be interception from KC because he doesn’t have the arm strength to throw a 20 or 40 yard lob. Defenses will always stack the 10 yard box which is bound to have WR’s errors, thus creating the opportunity for picks. That’s pee wee football 101. Whoever can’t get that really doesn’t understand football. Anything past the 10 yard is off target. Watch his games at Michigan St, and you’ll see the same thing. Nothing against the young man, but it’s unfair to put him in a situation that is uncomfortable. The coach is terrible and needs to go. The players are held to a low bar. Some are given excuses for by the coach, while others are pounced on. Bad leadership, and SM knows that. He’ll fire Jay at the end of the season, and that’s that.

    • YOU LIKE THAT - Nov 10, 2015 at 1:12 PM

      You are an idiot. Good to hear you know so much….You and Scott having drinks together tonight? You must be since you are so informed.

      • adunbar2006 - Nov 10, 2015 at 1:29 PM

        Obviously, you seemed disturbed… Probably not very outgoing, and this is your only outlet. I get it.. I certainly wouldn’t stoop to your level, because your post certainly reads like someone in need of mental, and from every indication emotional help. Just want to let you know that they’re available. However, I suggest you stay away from the site until you can get some help. We don’t want to see you on the news.

    • bangkokben - Nov 10, 2015 at 2:50 PM

      Dallas and Cincinnati are examples of teams sticking with their head coaches while they learn their jobs. If you hire a never been HC in the NFL and you give him a five year guaranteed contract, then your are more likely to start a patience trend than continue the coaching carousel method.

      • brucefan1 - Nov 10, 2015 at 8:22 PM

        Oops! Not the greatest examples to pick, ben.

        Marvin Lewis, who was a very accomplished and highly sought after defensive coordinator, started his HC career with the Bengals 8-8, 8-8, 11-5, 8-8 and made the playoffs once.

        Jason Garrett’s first 3 years were 8-8, 8-8, 8-8, 12-4 (playoffs).

        Not great, but worthy of being kept on for all but the most elite teams.

        I think most Skins fans would give their eye teeth if the thought they could get those results from Jay. Now if he COULD get the team to 8-8 this season, especially given all the injuries, that would be a jaunty feather in his cap. So it seems a LOT rides on how the Skins finish out these last 8 games.

        (Btw, I think someone mentioned that the Steelers stick by their coaches. Well, Tomlin started his career 10-6, 12-4, 9-7.12-4 — including TWO Super Bowls! — and Cowher’s first years were 11-5, 9-7,12-4, 11-5 — w/1 SB. So what’s not to stick by there??!!)

        What I would like someone to tally up is how many HCs started their first 24 games at 7 & 17, and then went on to any particular success. Gotta be SOME! (Bill Parcells started almost that slow and was on the ropes, iirc, but earned a wild card berth that second season and saved his job. He won the Super Bowl in his 4th year and the rest, say the old folks, is history!)

        • bangkokben - Nov 10, 2015 at 8:48 PM

          Marvin Lewis is in his 13th season and has never gotten his team a bye in the playoffs and is 0-7 in those seven wild card games. Jason Garrett took over in the middle of 2010 and went 5-3 bringing the team to 6-10 but the FIVE seasons before 2010 were all winning records 9-7, 9-7, 13-3, 9-7, then 11-5. During Garrett’s head coaching career, the Cowboys have just one playoff season and were 1-1 in those games. Perhaps those weren’t the best examples but patience is defined differently with different organizations. For one team improving from double digit losses to single digit losses is an improvement worthy of patience; or winning two division games and then winning more division games the next year is improvement. The two examples I used were teams that could easily say that they need a coach that can get them to the next level. As far as HOF coaches that started off roughly, here is Tom Landry – in a different era of course but my argument is for patience and prudence over the status quo of change.

          DAL 1960 0 11 1 .042 7th in NFL West – – – –
          DAL 1961 4 9 1 .321 6th in NFL East – – – –
          DAL 1962 5 8 1 .393 5th in NFL East – – – –
          DAL 1963 4 10 0 .286 5th in NFL East – – – –
          DAL 1964 5 8 1 .393 5th in NFL East – – – –
          DAL 1965 7 7 0 .500 2nd in NFL East

        • ajbus1 - Nov 10, 2015 at 8:55 PM

          Ya, maybe Tomlin isn’t the best example but he, Cowher, and the coaches ben mentioned all inherited much better rosters than Gruden has. The reason I brought it up as an example is because of their overall philosophy. I heard an interview with Dan Rooney and he talked about how they pick a guy they believe in and then let him learn on the job. Obviously it’s easier when you take over a good team but Gruden wasn’t as lucky. I’m not saying Gruden us the answer but I don’t think it’s so obvious that he isn’t. We’ve always had an impatient owner and that impatience has never gotten us anything. My hope is that McC is truly in control of the coaching situation and will know when Gruden has been given enough time to prove or not prove he is the coach for the future.

        • bangkokben - Nov 10, 2015 at 9:07 PM

          Then again there is Bill Belichick who was 5-11 in his first season with New England. Here is Pete Carroll’s record the three years before and Belichick’s first year in comparison:

          1997 1997 NFL AFC East 1st 10 6 0 Won Wild Card Playoffs (Dolphins) 17–3
          Lost Divisional Playoffs (Steelers) 7–6
          1998 1998 NFL AFC East 4th 9 7 0 Lost Wild Card Playoffs (Jaguars) 25–10
          1999 1999 NFL AFC East 5th 8 8 0
          2000 2000 NFL AFC East 5th 5 11 0

          Once again, the prudent thing was to not over-react.

    • YOU LIKE THAT - Nov 10, 2015 at 3:55 PM

      You are pitiful, look at your lame attempt to be so righteous. There is help for you and your annoyance with my team…. Its called go away, we don’t need idiots like you. This site will be much better off without the smartass comments you make. You are beneath me lil boy. You are what’s wrong with this fan base. I have forgotten, and yet still know more about my team than you will ever know son. You Are A Joke!!

      • ajbus1 - Nov 10, 2015 at 6:41 PM

        Relax. You’re just making him sound more right.

    • brucefan1 - Nov 10, 2015 at 7:42 PM

      You, ADunbar, are a genius!

      You and Scot should have dinner together soon (but NEVER drinks — this is Scot McCloughan we are talking about, after all) because you are very observant and much informed. (And, in all likelihood, prescient!)

  10. adunbar2006 - Nov 10, 2015 at 12:11 PM

    “You like that”, I assume u’re a fan like all of us are. Learn to appreciate a difference of opinion instead of insults. Calling out people as uneducated says more about you. We can disagree on the direction of the team, even the coach for that matter, but the insults are unwarranted, and should stop.

    • YOU LIKE THAT - Nov 10, 2015 at 1:26 PM

      I will not sit and listen to fans say fire fire fire. Its old, it hasn’t worked. Look at who we played. They have had same coach HOW LONG? Imagine if Skins fired Gibbs that quick. I am tired of revolving door, tired of hearing how Gruden hates Robert. Tired of hearing peeps say that the Skins are some how racist. And don’t tell me I’m wrong, its all over the place. I will call ignorant out…

      • adunbar2006 - Nov 10, 2015 at 1:47 PM

        Your argument about not wanting to fire the coach is understandable. It is perfectly ok to raise these concerns and defend them. However, letting your emotions take control of the situation to the extent of calling out your fellow fans as ignorant, idiotic, just because their they disagree seem childish, and immature. Let’s put aside the name callings and discuss the merits of our argument. At least we can respect each other for that.

        • YOU LIKE THAT - Nov 10, 2015 at 2:21 PM

          So you call me disturbed, say I have stooped to some level..This is my only outlet and you most certainly understand that.My post reads of someone in need of mental and emotional help. And I should stay away from this site until I get help. BUT YOU ARE A GOOD GUY.. HMMM. AND WHO IS PUTTING DOWN WHO? GO AWAY , I am done with you. I’m sure you have a high regard of yourself. But for you to write what you just wrote proves you are more in need of help than any.

      • ajbus1 - Nov 10, 2015 at 6:43 PM

        I agree with the revolving door. Bringing in someone new every three years never works. The Steelers have always been good about being patient with their coaches. Their philosophy is to hire a guy they believe in and let him learn.

      • Skulb - Nov 11, 2015 at 2:52 AM

        Well said! Gruden should stay his contract and Cousins might as well get a two-three year deal and some job safety. No improvements are available on the bench, in FA or the draft that you could confidently say would be worth getting rid of a competent Cousins. So that´s stability at the two most important points on the team for the next few years. It´s the only thing we haven´t tried so why not?

  11. Mr.moneylover - Nov 10, 2015 at 12:16 PM

    I keep telling y’all the players don’t respect jay gruden and I believe they doing what they want how we go from being the number 1 defense to the 29th in stopping the run…and after jay gruden thrown desean Jackson under the bus cause of what he said I think enough is enough of jay gruden he had two years to show he can put a solid offense together and ever since he’s been here redskins only averaging 20 or less points a game and you can’t win the division with them kinda points….desean Jackson was full go he got wide open one time down the field why not try it again….I say players feed off coaches attitude and I don’t think some of them players believe they can beat the patriots that’s why it was a lot of mistakes

    • Skulb - Nov 11, 2015 at 2:48 AM

      Yes you keep repeating it. It´s just not true so nobody listens.

  12. Skulb - Nov 10, 2015 at 1:18 PM

    Maybe we should call this the “code pink slip” game. People making $10 million a year not only dropping perfect passes, but fumbling them off their helmets for interceptions, need to be thinking about career change. I´m amazed that Kirk was able to keep himself together as well as he did considering how pathetic his teammates performed. It was him and maybe a few of the guys on the line. The rest of them should have been forced to jog back home. Losing to the Pats is fine but not like that. Just catch the dang ball alright!

    • Mr.moneylover - Nov 10, 2015 at 3:24 PM

      That’s all coaching right there…if they put pressure on these guys to catch the ball this wouldn’t even be a problem…. Jay gruden doing what last years trainer did ray wright …wanna be the friend and coach more so a friend… wanna show his players he’s cool instead of bein a hard nose witch this team need to improve…we need a no non sense head coach that put winning first and not bring friendships to the practice fields witch is what jay gruden doing…those guys not taking this season serious because they can’t take jay gruden serious and that’s why

      • hail74 - Nov 10, 2015 at 4:42 PM

        Yes,the coaches caused a veteran with a history of drops to drop the ball. Unbelievable. We all know that every good play made is because the player ignored gruden and every bad play is because he didn’t. If only we had hired somebody who could turn 20 years of mediocrity around in one season simply by coaching the players up.

        • ajbus1 - Nov 10, 2015 at 6:44 PM


      • Skulb - Nov 10, 2015 at 8:07 PM

        You don´t know that though. There is such a thing as too much pressure and people overthinking simple things here. We don´t know which it is here, and if this is a coaching problem then the team that came back from 24 nothing against Tampa is also the result of coaching. it´s just such a simplistic analysis and football is a lot more complex than this.
        But if you´re gonna blame Gruden for everything negative then you also have to credit him with anything that goes well.

  13. dkat44 - Nov 10, 2015 at 2:49 PM

    I knew Riley was playing bad but not this bad.

    • Mr.moneylover - Nov 10, 2015 at 3:12 PM

      Perry Riley been a bust for years he only look decent because of London fletcher …but the guy can’t cover he keeps missing assignments so will Compton is a better option right now atleast will Compton can cover….but this move also show a big red flag here’s why….during the bye week they suppose to look at they personal and by putting in will Compton now show they ain’t do all they homework during the bye week because it was clear even in that tampa bay win perry Riley put other players in bad positions because of his mistakes

    • colmac69 - Nov 10, 2015 at 3:15 PM

      Yeh unbelievable….not to have one tackle in game playing 50 snaps is bad enough but to total 12 in 6 games is simply incredulous

      Two inside guys in 3-4,if playing 16 games,should b making 100+tackles…the best a patrick Willis. …would make 150+

      Obviously one of big reasons the run defense is horrible when your inside guys are struggling to make tackles

      • Mr.moneylover - Nov 10, 2015 at 3:36 PM

        These coaches getting paid millions and they see the problem and they telling fans they don’t know how to fix it…heres how you fix it if these guys practicing all week long and they not doing the same things you teach them on Sundays bench them and bring up the next guy they keep leaving the guys in there thats not getting it done and you know what player gonna keep making mistakes cause he know he can get away with it…bench a healthy player they will either step up they game when they get a second Chance or look worst and if they look worst they don’t need to be on the football team… Redskins got a problem with leaving struggling players in the starting line up

        • bangkokben - Nov 10, 2015 at 4:10 PM

          “Redskins got a problem with leaving struggling players in the starting line up”

          It’s called injuries. Here are the defensive snap counts for the season on defense in order of most from FO:

          Player Def Snaps Def Snap Pct ST Snaps
          38-D.Goldson 510 97.50% 68
          52-K.Robinson 490 93.70% 47
          91-R.Kerrigan 447 85.50% 31
          34-T.Robinson 439 83.90% 79
          26-B.Breeland 395 75.50% 52
          93-T.Murphy 379 72.50% 82
          97-J.Hatcher 343 65.60% 37
          41-W.Blackmon 326 62.30% 60
          56-P.Riley 298 57.00% 24
          92-C.Baker 282 53.90% 0
          30-K.Jarrett 272 52.00% 95
          51-W.Compton 237 45.30% 123
          29-C.Culliver 230 44.00% 0
          98-T.Knighton 201 38.40% 34
          94-P.Smith 198 37.90% 119
          99-R.Jean Francois 145 27.70% 44
          23-D.Hall 137 26.20% 1
          90-S.Paea 126 24.10% 27
          64-K.Golston 84 16.10% 70
          20-J.Johnson 76 14.50% 150

        • bangkokben - Nov 10, 2015 at 4:15 PM

          Here’s last week’s defensive snap counts from FO:

          Player Position Started Def Snaps Def Snap Pct
          41-W.Blackmon DB YES 80 100
          91-R.Kerrigan LB YES 73 91.00%
          38-D.Goldson DB YES 72 90.00%
          52-K.Robinson LB YES 66 82.00%
          93-T.Murphy LB YES 62 78.00%
          51-W.Compton LB NO 52 65.00%
          29-C.Culliver DB YES 51 64.00%
          20-J.Johnson DB NO 49 61.00%
          30-K.Jarrett DB YES 49 61.00%
          56-P.Riley LB YES 49 61.00%
          97-J.Hatcher DL YES 49 61.00%
          92-C.Baker DL YES 47 59.00%
          64-K.Golston DL NO 33 41.00%
          26-B.Breeland DB NO 32 40.00%
          34-T.Robinson DB YES 32 40.00%
          99-R.Jean Francois DL NO 28 35.00%
          94-P.Smith LB NO 27 34.00%
          90-S.Paea DL NO 23 29.00%
          54-M.Foster LB NO 5 6.00%
          22-D.Everett DB NO 1 1.00%

          So who’s getting left in there? Seems like Trenton Robinson and Perry Riley lost some snaps to Jeron Johnson and Will Compton.

  14. Mr.moneylover - Nov 10, 2015 at 3:42 PM

    Do y’all really think desean Jackson would’ve miss OTAs if Andy Reid was head coach…Hell naw he do it to jay gruden cause jay gruden let him…if you really wanna keep it 100 …jay gruden blew this season when he decided not to give Ryan kerrigan no snaps in the preseason along with desean Jackson… That’s why he don’t get a pass for injuries his decision making is horrible

  15. John - Nov 10, 2015 at 4:50 PM

    The rest of the schedule will not be easy. Its possible to win against Chicago, Buffalo and New Orleans. Let’s hope Brees does not go crazy like he did against the Giants. We get 2 against the Cowboys and 1 more each against Giants and Eagles. Could get 1 or 2 of those. Carolina will be difficult because of Cam and the defense. Anyone who thinks the rest of the way is easy needs to have their head examined.

    • bangkokben - Nov 10, 2015 at 5:08 PM

      Nothing is easy in the NFL. The team is 3-1 at home with a three game home winning streak playing the very beatable Saints. Cousins could look like a pro-bowler against them. I’m sure DeSean Jackson would like to do his O’dell Beckham Jr. impersonation. Did you see Mariota’s 61-yard TD to Delanie Walker – the exact antithesis of Cousins interception Sunday? The point is that there are legitimate reasons for our team to win these games as much as loses these games. Carolina has one victory against a team with a winning record. Anything can happen within the division and who knows about the Bears and Bills. Every game is winnable and every game is lose-able.

    • Skulb - Nov 11, 2015 at 2:46 AM

      There are four division games that are winnable as well. Even as terrible as the Skins were last year they managed to win in Dallas I mean. The Panthers will be tough, although I am not as impressed by them as I am by the other two undefeated teams. Their near-collapse at home to the Colts was pathetic.
      Realistically I see 3-4 more wins if the team can pick itself up after the lame performance against New England.

  16. bangkokben - Nov 10, 2015 at 7:03 PM

    So the Steiger is done for the year but can come back for the playoffs. If we were to get to the playoffs without him, I’m sure his replacement would be a reason for getting there. Thank goodness for Josh LeRibeus.

    I can’t believe I just wrote any of that.

    • Rich Tandler - Nov 10, 2015 at 7:18 PM

      I wouldn’t be surprised if de la Puente is starting in a few weeks.

      • bangkokben - Nov 10, 2015 at 7:20 PM

        Thanks. I was wondering about that too.

      • goback2rfk - Nov 10, 2015 at 7:26 PM

        Rich: Your tweet saying Lichtensteiger could come back for the playoffs “with a straight face” was epic. haha!! loved it

    • bangkokben - Nov 10, 2015 at 7:29 PM

      From the four letter: “With Lichtensteiger in the lineup this season, the Redskins have averaged 4.06 yards per carry. Without him, they’re averaging 2.37 yards per carry, according to ESPN Stats & Information. That’s not to put everything on Lichtensteiger, but it does suggest that there has been a dropoff.”

      • ajbus1 - Nov 10, 2015 at 8:56 PM

        Ouch! I think the run blocking was very reliant on he and Lauvao.

        • bangkokben - Nov 10, 2015 at 9:04 PM

          There appears to be statistical evidence to support that theory.

      • timwillhide - Nov 10, 2015 at 10:17 PM

        I think it’s more on Defenses crowding the box. Because of all the short passes. If we stretch the field more they won’t Crowder the box as much Archives

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