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Need to Know: Ratings of Redskins’ QB Cousins vary widely

Nov 1, 2015, 5:22 AM EDT


Here is what you need to know on this Sunday, November 1, seven days before the Redskins visit the New England Patriots.

Five thoughts on the Redskins at the bye

—It’s true that the Redskins have not beaten a team with a winning record. But the Eagles would have a winning record at 4-3 if the Redskins had not beaten them and the Rams would be 4-2 without the loss to Washington. And the Bucs would be 3-3 had they held on to their lead.

—Kirk Cousins does not fare well in the NFL’s official overall quarterback metric, passer rating, ranking 23rd in the NFL with an 85.1. He’s better in ESPN’s QBR; Cousins’ rating there is 58.8, 17th in the NFL. But if Cousins wants to give his agent some ammunition for his upcoming contract negotiation he can point to Football Outsiders. They have Cousins performing at a very good to, dare I say it an elite level. His DYAR, their measure of his total value, is 417, sixth in the NFL. His DVOA, his value per play, is 11.8%, seventh in the league (go to the FO site for details). One thing that FO’s numbers take into account that the NFL and ESPN don’t is the strength of the opposing defenses. Five of the Redskins’ seven games have been against defenses in the top half in FO’s rankings and none of the opposing defenses have been in the bottom 10.

—While we’re on FO’s numbers, let’s look at the total team performance per their DVOA metric. The Redskins are 19th with a DVOA of minus-3.2 percent. As I’ve been saying, they have “graduated” from the bottom of the barrel (28th in DVOA in 2014) to the middle of the NFL pack. One detail that caught my eye is that their special teams DVOA is actually in positive territory (1.2 percent, 13th in the NFL). Again, this ranking takes strength of opposition into account. Of the Redskins’ seven opponents to date, five are in the top half of the league in DVOA.

—Looking at the schedule going forward, it’s like what Goldilocks said about Baby Bear’s bed—not too hard, not too soft. They have two road games against currently undefeated teams, the Patriots and Panthers. The only other game they have against a team with a winning record is against the 4-3 Giants and that one is at home. The rest of the games are against teams who are, like the Redskins, under .500. It should be a fair test for the Redskins in the second half of the season.

—Defensively, the Redskins need to stop the run better and they need to get more sacks. The easy way to accomplish both of those is to have the offense score more points. That has the potential to take the running game out of the other team’s play calling and set up the defensive front to go after the quarterback. To be sure, they still have to clean up their tackling regardless. But football is the ultimate team game and when one side thrives the other can, too.


Today’s schedule: Bye week

Days until: Redskins @ Patriots 7; Saints @ Redskins 14; Redskins @ Panthers 21

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  1. JOHNNY B - Nov 1, 2015 at 6:13 AM

    Cousins will be a premier Qb in the league if and only if he can get over his confidence problems. First off he plays better at home. That’s only because he has more confidence around our stadium and our fans like most QBs in this league. When we are away his body language shows that he is unsure of his ability. He hesitates and second guesses a lot of his passes . When he makes a mistake it seems that he can’t let it go as easy. He needs a pat on the back, the roar of the crowd, complements from his teammates, etc for him to do well. We will win all of our home games this year mark my words but away is another story. Well that is my opinion. I wonder what his ranking is if you only count the home games. And for those that want to say what about the Dolphins. First game of the year with being announced the starter for the season for the first time in his Nfl career. Maybe he can get over it and maybe not. Gruden hit it right on the nose when he said Kirk is fragile right now. If he can’t he is only a backup.

    • John - Nov 1, 2015 at 7:46 AM

      Cousins confidence will improve by playing out the season. Anyone would perform better with experience and not having to look over their shoulder every time the media writesan article. He is doing a lot of good things and has to work on some of the rough spots in his game. If they ran a hurry up offense on a regular basis it would force him to act more and think less. He all ready gets everyone on the right spot and gets the ball out quickly and sees the field to make the reads. It also seems he plays better in hurry up mode. He could also run more, when they need the yards and the opportunity presents the option to scramble. If only people will overlook the interceptions. The kid is still learning by playing. We learn from our mistakes.

    • John - Nov 1, 2015 at 8:48 AM

      Those quarterback rating systems are junk. The go by percentages of completions, interceptions, etc., but don’t take into account dropped passes, passes that hit a receiver bounce off and get intercepted, passes that are intercepted because a receiver fell down and so on. Stats only tell you so much. Example, Kirk’s yards per attempt is lower than last year. The team has no running game at present and throws short (west coast : short passes = runs). That and no deep threat let’s the safeties move up tightening the zone gaps between the linebackers and safeties presenting tighter throwing windows. The stats also don’t account for what happens when the game is on the line. Stats are very misleading. The 1983 Skins defense was ranked #1 against the run and dead last against the pass. That year, the offense was unstoppable and normally played with a significant lead, consequently opponents had to abandon the run and pass to try and catch up. Another faulty statistic was where Mike Tomczak was supposedly great on Monday nights. As the reserve qb on the Bears he was not bad, but then the Bears defense was carrying the load along with Walter Payton. When he had to replace Jim McMahon for any length of time, boy were they in trouble. Fitzpatrick of the Jets looked good against us but he’s got a better team around him to make up for his screw ups. Right now, Kirk does not have that benefit.

      • timwillhide - Nov 2, 2015 at 3:11 AM

        They also don’t take into account passes the defender drops that should have bin interceptions. Cousins has thrown a lot ofballs that hit defenders directly in the hands and they dropped.

    • John - Nov 1, 2015 at 3:02 PM

      The more he plays and the better he gets, the more the game will slow down for him, creating confidence. That and not having to look over his shoulder wondering if he’ll get pulled after the next interception. Like Gruden said, “he’ll have his ups and downs and has to play through them, learn and get better”. It take a young quarterback about 3 seasons of consistent playing time to “get it”.

    • Skulb - Nov 1, 2015 at 8:13 PM

      I don´t see any confidence problems. The guy has led two game winning drives in the final minute in October. No other active NFL QB has done that, and a guy with confidence problems would not be able to do it. I tend to think that his “away problems” are flukish right now. He has started only seven games as the proper starter for this team; not enough to make any grand statements. And considering how close they came in Atlanta I think the first away win is close. Probably not the next one though. If they win against the Pats at Gilette I don´t want to hear another word of complaining about Cousins this season.

      • JOHNNY B - Nov 1, 2015 at 8:32 PM

        I can agree that he is getting better but his away problems if you watched his facial expressions are being unsure. He second guesses himself which causes inaccurate passes and picks. When he is home except the first game you see determination and confidence. It is getting better along with the coach letting the leash loose a bit. If he does beat the Patriots or keeps the game close it will prove that he is going to be a premier Qb.

        • leaksjr - Nov 1, 2015 at 11:59 PM

          Please !!!!!!!!!

        • Skulb - Nov 2, 2015 at 8:43 AM

          I agree there´s a problem, I just think you´re over-analyzing Kirk´s facial expressions a tad. If you look at the Jets game he really didn´t have a lot of people open. Then there´s a choice between scrambling, taking a sack, throwing down or away or forcing the ball into coverage. And it´s not a good choice.
          There´s this tendency to always look for explanations at the QB spot and nowhere else. but our D has not been playing well for many weeks now and were responsible for putting the team in the hole they had to get out of against Tampa. And still people were screaming for Kirk to be benched at halftime, even though he had very little to do with the team´s predicament.
          But there are good explanations for why this team has struggled in a few games and most of them have nothing to do with the QB. Leading receiver out for half the season, leading TE injured for two tricky away games, no running game, no run defense, a depleted secondary that´s erratic, some timid play calling, a defensive line struggling when stretched laterally etc etc. These are there for all to see and with all of this it makes little sense to blame everything on Kirk.
          And even if it did they have actually played a lot better than they have for the last two seasons anyway.

        • eyeoftriad - Nov 2, 2015 at 8:44 AM

          Perhaps the same can be said about all quarterbacks (e.g. Eli Manning).

          What is a QB? *throws glass* I miserable little pile of facial expressions!

  2. colorofmyskinz - Nov 1, 2015 at 7:33 AM

    He shows a ton of potential for sure. His release is very fast, he is smart, accurate typically, and is good at reading defense. All of these are hallmarks of a great potential!

    Now griffin. Why doesn’t Griffin just renegotiate his contract so he has a better chance of being either played or traded? Why does he stand in thus contract that keeps him in street clothes with no trade interest. I don’t get it.

    • John - Nov 1, 2015 at 8:27 AM

      Griffin has dressed but won’t be on the field. If Griffin played and got hurt, per the current contract, the team would be on the hook for $16 much million. I don’t see him renegotiating. Best to cut him, save any cap money and move on. His best days are behind him as the read option as a fad and he does not read defenses and has no pocket presence (does not slide to help the line and does not take time for routes to develop). He’ll go the way of Tebow.

    • brucefan1 - Nov 1, 2015 at 1:24 PM

      “Why doesn’t Griffin just renegotiate his contract so he has a better chance of being either played or traded?”

      Think he might be just biding his time?

      What would be the point of negotiating a lesser contract on the off-chance (VERY off-chance) that some team would want to trade for him THIS late in the season? MAYBE earlier on … but the Skins seemed to be hedging their bets with him back then, no?

      Too late now, though. When was the last time we’ve ever heard of a meaningful QB trade after mid-season? I mean, what function would (could?) he realistically serve for a new team at this point in time?

      No, I speculate Griffin is prepared to bide his time during this season, continue to hope for an opportunity to play — that probably won’t come — and then hit the open market after the Redskins release him when it’s done. (Btw, WHY the Skins haven’t released him yet would only be WILD speculation on my part. Your guess is better than mine!)

      Then he can sift through whatever offers he might get (I think there WILL be some serious ones– feel free to disagree), and take the one he deems most advantageous.

      No need to compromise his ability to have a say in his own future if he’s not required to, imho.

  3. kss0770 - Nov 1, 2015 at 8:38 AM

    When everyone was calling for ol’ skinny legs RG3 the dumpster fire as a pocket passer , I was saying captain Kirk gives us the best chance to win…I think kirk is an elite qb and he will be a nfl star in just a few years, unfortunately Danny will probably let him walk because he has a man crush on ol’ skinny legs . ..after all, he was the one who mortgaged our future with that terrible draft…I often hear, well rg3 took us to the playoffs . ..that was a result of Shanahans gimmick offense that caught the nfl by surprise . ..the nfl quickly ended that fad by tell the DE and OL to kill the qb even when they don’t have the ball (which is completely legal )…also people forget captain Kirk throwing a 4th quarter winning TD against Baltimore to get us into the playoffs . .without that throw we miss the playoffs and ol’ skinny legs doesn’t win offensive rookie of the year..Rg3 should be kissing cousins behind for that one…unfortunately kirk cousins has forgotten more about being a pocket passer than rg3 will ever know..I see the trade deadline is here and 31 other general managers again seem to pass on ol’ skinny legs…rg3 groupies will say it’s because of the contract , I say if you think he’s a Franchise qb that doesn’t matter . ..also rg3 can reconstruct the contract if he really thinks he can be the guy, but I assume he’s knows stealing 6 million from the redskins is his best and only option .


    • John - Nov 1, 2015 at 9:02 AM

      RG3 is history. 2012 was an aberration. The read option is no longer a viable offense at the pro level. It was designed to make it easy for Robert to read defenses and make plays based on the threat of him running, so lineman and linebackers had to stay home. As a pocket passer where Robert can’t freeze a defense, he is so in trouble. He has no clue, when having to operate from the pocket. Some say Kirk has a better line, hence fewer sacks. They are better players to a degree but Kirk helps them by sliding in the pocket (they know where he is supposed to be making it easier to maintain blocks) and he makes throws a lot quicker and calls athe protections better. Robert gets lost back there. The team is not giving to invest another 3 years in a guy who has not developed. Denver made the same decision with Tebow.

      • brucefan1 - Nov 1, 2015 at 1:37 PM

        I think we all agree that Cousins has improved some this season. Why? Because he’s gotten a chance to show it! How much of it was off-season work, how much improved pass blocking, how more experience is hard to pinpoint.

        We do not KNOW if Griffin would have shown similar improvement this season due to off-season work, or improved blocking, or more experience. Why? He never got a chance to show it.

        The only way we will find out for sure how/if he has improved is when we see him with his new team going forward.

        • John - Nov 1, 2015 at 2:46 PM

          Regarding RG3, he was doing things as before, showing no development as a pocket passer. He would take the snap, drop back, not read the defense, panic and run. The improved line play comes from Cousins getting the ball out in under 3 seconds and Cousins sliding in the pocket, helping the linemen sustain their blocks. RG3 never did that and that’s not learned. You have it or you don’t. It was the same last year. Cousins throws some picks but is getting better. I don’t see them beating New England or Carolina but should compete in most games. The defense and running game need to get back in the mix. I can see them winning 4 more games the rest if the way. If they don’t it won’t be all on Cousins.

        • brucefan1 - Nov 1, 2015 at 3:39 PM

          “Regarding RG3, he was doing things as before, showing no development as a pocket passer. He would take the snap, drop back, not read the defense, panic and run.”

          When exactly did you get a chance to see all THAT this season, John? Because I think many of us missed that visual evidence! Couldn’t have been in that first preseason game; Griffin performed fine in ONE QUARTER in that one (Garcon coulda made it even better!)

          Hadda be that Lions game, right — cuz that’s the last time ANYBODY has seen him play. Sure, you can zero in on that team-wide clusterfudge of a QUARTER (or just over) if you want … as long as I can cherry-pick some rotten quarters by Cousins in, let’s say, this season’s Giants game, or the Falcons game, or the JETS game. (But that would not be fair, so I won’t. You can tho, if that’s your style.)

          So I don’t know where you’re getting the facts behind your claims from… unless they’re not REALLY facts at all, just “opinions”!

          Such as your assertion that “You have it or you don’t.” How do you KNOW that?! You mean you’ve never seen a young player get better in the pocket with practice & experience? Don’t you think Cousins has?! You also declare “Cousins throws some picks but is getting better” Maybe. But then you claim Griffin CAN’T get better in the pocket?! Why can one improve, but not the other?? Where’s your evidence?

          NONE of us fans have seen enough to know what Griffin might have been capable of this season; we never got a chance to find out. Because he NEVER got a legitimate chance to show us.

          That’s all I’m saying.

        • gasngo14 - Nov 1, 2015 at 5:10 PM

          bruce………”all i’m saying”
          I hope your Jets get Rob and then you can see all you need to regarding his pocket presence and how well he reads a D…see how much he can get better before he gets another leg twisted while not learning to slide!
          I hope you get to see exactly what Rob is capable of and then you can come and tell me all about it …OK ?

        • warpath1 - Nov 1, 2015 at 5:15 PM

          griffin didnt look comfortable to me either, and yes thats my opinion. at some point through preseason you have to pick the guy who looks like he can run the offense

        • ajbus1 - Nov 1, 2015 at 7:09 PM

          You don’t need facts to back up that Griffin wasn’t developing LAST year. How long do you give a player who can’t stay healthy, takes the wrong amount of drop steps, and can’t read a defense in his third year? They had to see what Cousins has, or doesn’t have, this year to be able to plan ahead for next year. McC is rebuilding the team the way he wants and has made his decision on RG. After the season he’ll make his decision on Kirk.

        • brucefan1 - Nov 1, 2015 at 9:02 PM

          ” McC is rebuilding the team the way he wants and has made his decision on RG.”

          How do you know that he’s made up his mind on Griffin? (Or is that another one of those claims that “you don’t need FACTS to back to back up”?! LOL) McCloughan has never said (or even hinted) anything like that!

          All he HAS said is that HE picks the players, GRUDEN chooses how and when to play them.

          But if he had made up his mind that Griffin was NOT part of the team’s future, don’t you think RG3 would be long gone now? Why keep around such a distraction? Why waste a much-needed roster spot on him. Why pay him may millions this season to be a 3rd-stringer? (Because there are many out there who are much cheaper!) And why commit a $16mill contract next season to someone Scot apparently doesn’t even see much need for THIS season (if your claim is true)?!

          Now you can theorize all you want as to why Griffin is still in B&G, but all that would be is mere speculation. You sound like you might be from the “The Owner Insists They Keep RG3 Around” school. Yes? No? It’s a BIG school, but without any real evidence to support it.

          Maybe, just maybe, it IS Scot ‘s call after all, and he’s hedging his bet against the possible failure of a wildly inconsistent QB, chosen by a very sketchy head coach. Perhaps it could be that the success of Gruden’s gambit of elevating Kirk and totally marginalizing Robert determines whether or not Scot (& Dan) invite Gru back next year? Others may have their own guesses. Who knows?

          All of those may be just speculation, but they are just as valid possibilities as your assertion that Scot has made his mind up on RG. You have ZERO evidence for that one.

        • ajbus1 - Nov 2, 2015 at 12:31 AM

          You have to be the most pretentious commenter I’ve ever seen. It’s as if you are looking for an argument the way you pick apart people’s posts. And what’s the deal with quoting part of someone’s post when it is right there for all to read? You’re a borderline troll.

          Now, you’re gonna tell me that Scot McC hasn’t even hinted on his decision on RG? Give me a break. It’s a pretty big and obvious hint when RG isn’t even active. It’s also obvious that he’s kept around in case of emergency and the plain fact that they would still owe him this years’ money if they cut him. And please, they didn’t commit anything to him next year. I won’t insult your intelligence by explaining that but don’t be so naive to think that I don’t understand it. They picked up the option when they weren’t sure what direction they were going at QB but things change. It became clear that RG wouldn’t be able to stay healthy and they needed to see what they have in Kirk. You also seem to think that McC and Gruden somehow operate independently. Don’t think for a minute that he and Gruden haven’t had discussions on RG. It’s not as simple as Gruden just choosing to elevate Kirk while McC secretly hangs on to RG in case Gruden is wrong. Read between the lines a little and realize it’s ok for us to assume/speculate sometimes. If GMs told us everything they were thinking they wouldn’t be employed very long. Scot McC is going to change this roster over the course of a few years and there are plenty of hints already. I don’t need to hear him say that in order to figure it out.

          As far as my stance on the QB debate I think they’re doing the smart thing. I’m bummed RG didn’t work out but John was right in his comment above. RG doesn’t possess some of the things a QB should have when he gets to the nfl. And he HAS had a chance to show improvement. The last two plus seasons! You know who had much less of a chance to show improvement? Kirk Cousins. He’s being given as fair a chance as RG already had. I choose not to get into the debate because it’s become the epitome of beating a dead horse. RG is done whether we like it or not and there’s a good chance we’ll have Kirk and a rookie at QB next year.

          Now go ahead and blast me all you want for not having the evidence you require for me to comment and have an opinion.

        • timwillhide - Nov 2, 2015 at 3:20 AM

          The Offensive line went from 31st in Pass Blocking to 3rd. Pretty easy to pinpoint that it is the Oline Bruce. Check it out for yourself seeing how Rich already provided a link to Football Outsiders.

        • brucefan1 - Nov 2, 2015 at 3:06 PM

          “Now go ahead and blast me all you want for not having the evidence you require for me to comment and have an opinion.”

          Oooh… touchy touchy!! Don’t be so thin-skinned or you won’t last long around here! LOL

          And “pretentious”?! I’ve never been called THAT before! I LIKE it. Thanks! (Gonna go look it up.)

        • brucefan1 - Nov 2, 2015 at 3:09 PM

          Just looked it up!

          Sorry that’s not me; what you see from my posts is what you get! No pretense involved. Sorry!! ;^}

        • ajbus1 - Nov 2, 2015 at 5:28 PM

          I’ve already been around here a long time and I’m not worried about lasting long. My comments have become few and far between because of the amount of arguing over RGIII. It’s turned into a never ending pissing match that’s annoying to read everyday. I like Rich’s insight and opinions on the Redskins and I like quality banter, not pissing matches. And sorry if I overreacted but sometimes you act like the comment police and it’s also annoying. Since we’re all Skins fans though, I’ll try to keep it civil. I think you have quality thoughts to add even if I get annoyed sometimes.

  4. hk2000 - Nov 1, 2015 at 10:29 AM

    Lots of dumb comments- a full blown cousins love fest going on here…. buckle up guys, I sense a crash coming.

    • goback2rfk - Nov 1, 2015 at 11:21 AM

      Everyone is sipping that Cousins Kool-Aid. There is no way the term “elite” should be used anywhere close to Cousins name. Well will see what he does for the remaining games but I agree I feel a crash back down to reality coming to a theater near you.

      • John - Nov 1, 2015 at 2:56 PM

        I’m not saying Cousins is a prodigy. I don’t see Robert or Colt do any more, were they in there. The team without a running game and a defense that has not been effective at stopping anyone of late and special teams that have been wanting won’t accomplish much regardless of who the quarterback is. I can see them winning 4 more but that’s about it. They need a lot more than a quarterback. Let Cousins and the team develop together and keep building. There are no viable replacements at present. Their not going to play musical chairs like last season.

      • cwhiteco - Nov 2, 2015 at 3:16 AM

        Actually Kirk is just as much responsible for the three wins as anyone on this team.

    • warpath1 - Nov 1, 2015 at 12:05 PM

      wow, your predicting a crash against the patriots…you must have espn

      • YOU LIKE THAT - Nov 1, 2015 at 12:31 PM

        If they beat the Patriots, I believe every Kirk hater should go root for Dem Girls…We just don’t need you in Redskin Nation.

      • leaksjr - Nov 1, 2015 at 12:38 PM

        Not just the Patriots but the rest of the games

      • ajbus1 - Nov 1, 2015 at 7:01 PM

        That’s hilarious!

    • leaksjr - Nov 1, 2015 at 12:35 PM

      I agree 100% a lot of very dumb comments, RG3 is the best QB on the Redskins roster, but right now we have a dumb ass coach that cannot draw up an offensive scheme that fits RG3, not Andy Dalton, not Tom Brady, but RG3, go back to RG3’s last game as the starter, last game, last season, the Skins beat Philly, and stopped them from making the playoffs, then the following season you leave him out there in a meaningless game against the Loins with a makeshift offensive line, and he gets a concussion, this kid has not been given a fair chance in
      Washington, he will go somewhere else, and all you RG3 haters will see that this Kid is more an accurate passer sitting on the toilet than Kirk and Colt combined. If Washington won’t have him trust me somebody will.

      PS ( This is Jay Gruden not Jon Gruden)

      • JOHNNY B - Nov 1, 2015 at 6:55 PM

        Why can’t you understand that there is no offense that Rg3 can run right now. He can’t read the defense and make necessary adjustments. He would be sacked more than Wilson and get hurt. He can’t handle too much abuse. But I agree about how accurate he is and he has more arm strength. Without understanding the basics of pocket passing he will not be able to start. Kirk has the basics and more. He is the best of the 3 in reading defenses and running the plays. Most importantly he has the trust of the team and that matters the most.

        • ajbus1 - Nov 1, 2015 at 7:11 PM

          That about sums it up however unfortunate it may be.

      • Skulb - Nov 1, 2015 at 8:24 PM

        More fiction. One of the reasons people are so done with RGIII is people like you endlessly blaming the rest of the team for Griffin´s lack of QB skills. Last year it was a mantra here that we had the worst offensive line in football. We did not. They were average and a decent QB would have had little trouble playing behind it. Then this PS we had a “makeshift line” and Gruden was “trying to get Griffin hurt”. Remember all that? It is never Griffin´s fault according to some people and quite frankly we´re all done with it forever. The QB discussion has been reduced to an emotional squabbling rather than anything resembling football analysis.
        But Scot has said it and Gruden has too: Cousins runs the offense as intended. Even when he makes occasional bad throws he´s usually still on schedule. And that´s why they will never replace him this season. Because of his precision they get to evaluate the offensive players and that is invaluable for a rebuilding team. With griffin in we got three and outs and most of the players on the team never touched the ball. Only Steiger and Griffin, and sometimes the opposing player who recovered his fumble.

        And why is it that you never blame the rest of the team for Cousins´ problems? He´s had receivers dropping balls and falling down all year yet it´s still all his fault when they lose, even against good teams. And there is no running game at all and it´s all on him and the passing game. Still no excuses from the same people who refused to blame Griffin for anything that happened while he was starting. He got a one and out PO game and then two season completely down the drain to injuries and poor play. Hasn´t he done enough damage to this team now?

        • brucefan1 - Nov 1, 2015 at 9:15 PM


          The poster who would never accept any of the team’s shortcomings as reasons for Griffin’s problems LAST season, is crying that nobody will cut Kirk any of the same slack for his deficiencies THIS season?!

          Ladles and gentlemen, we have reached a new LOW for hypocrisy! LOL

        • Skulb - Nov 2, 2015 at 8:53 AM

          The “shortcomings” were endless whines about the offensive line and they were all entirely made up. The line was average and a decent QB would have made it work. RGIII was not a decent QB last year or the year before.
          And you´re doing the same thing: everything was the team´s fault or the coaches´ fault in 2013 and 2014 and nothing was RGIII´s fault. And now it\s the reverse with Kirk. if the D gives up 400 yards it´s Kirk´s fault. If ST gives up a punt return TD it´s Kirk´s fault etc.
          And you dare to talk to me about hypocrisy? I am interested in football analysis. You´re interested in personality cults for incompetent QBs.

        • John - Nov 1, 2015 at 10:31 PM

          Funny how Bruce and leaks think Robert is infallible as if it’s still 2012. When the team lost in 2913 and 2014, none of that had anything to do with Robert.

          Flash forward to this year, Kirk wins the job and whenever the team loses, its Kirks fault. I guess Kirk should have tackled Landry on that Dolphins punt return for a TD. He probably was the reason the defense played so poorly against the Giants. I’m pretty sure Manning picked us apart that night. The defense did a great jib of stopping the Jets in the 2nd half. Cousins played poorly in that game but it wasn’t just him.

          Bruce and leaks, take off the rose colored glasses. This team is not going to win many games regardless of who the quarterback is. Plain and simple.

        • Skulb - Nov 2, 2015 at 8:46 AM


          We have and you win the prize. You and Tim and all the rest of the faux Redskins fans who support a third string draft bust over the team.

        • timwillhide - Nov 2, 2015 at 9:45 AM

          Football Outsiders has the Oline ranked 31st in Pass protection last year and 3rd in Pass protection so far this year. Rich provided the link use it.

        • Skulb - Nov 4, 2015 at 11:44 AM

          How surprising that you´re still repeating the one source that apparently (Although not really) confirms your view.

          I explained months ago why it doesn´t confirm your fact-free view and you refused to listen. Just like you refuse to listen to any real information about anything.

          Time to stop being a fanatical RGIII supporter and become a Redskins supporter: Cousins and Gruden are your only hope of success for this team for the foreseeable future. Enjoy!

          And don´t forget that you´re partly to blame for your incessant Griffin enabling.

      • cwhiteco - Nov 2, 2015 at 3:21 AM

        You have to keep in mind, these coaches see so much more than we see. They see the OTA’s. They see all the practices. After trying to do everything to give RG confidence, that he was the guy. By even giving him his bonus. Saying he was the starter. They realized he was not progressing.

        They wanted to give the dude the benefit of the doubt. Plus, he does not protect himself. No pocket pressence. Getting himself lit up. They began to realize the $16 mill was probably going to be more a liability.

        Even New England last year in the joint practices said they thought Kirk was the best qb the Skins had. At the time though the Skins were still vested in developing Robert.

        This year changd. They’ve seen enough of Robert going into his last year. They needed to see what they had in Kirk. So Kirk is getting his fair shot. Perhaps this time he wil make the most of it.

        I’m routing for him.

        • leaksjr - Nov 2, 2015 at 11:06 AM


    • brucefan1 - Nov 1, 2015 at 1:43 PM

      C’mon hk …you mean that comeback from 24 points down to the BUCS doesn’t prophesy smooth sailing for the rest of the season?!

      You mean that we will actually wait til season’s end to find out for sure?

      (But no matter how the season turns out, we always will have that comeback, won’t we?!!)

      • hail74 - Nov 1, 2015 at 3:48 PM

        That’s right because as we know every Sunday every team plays flawlessly except the redskins who should apologize for every win. Now let’s get back to crying about how we won a game.

      • hail74 - Nov 1, 2015 at 4:40 PM

        That was close, the Giants almost had to apologize for beating the saints after trailing and same with the Falcons after trailing the Bucs 20-3. Fortunately they both lost and can avoid such embarrassment

        • bangkokben - Nov 1, 2015 at 5:24 PM

          Pretty funny. I hope the Falcon’s loss ends the nostalgia surrounding Kyle Shannahan’s offense.but I’m sure it won’t. The Falcon’s were 33% in the Red Zone against Tennessee and 40% today against Tampa. Wasn’t the story here that the Redskins just needed playmakers and that all those yards between the 20s was a result of good coaching? Seems like Atlanta has all those yards, dominated in time of possession, yet fails to score enough points (10 points in the win against the Titans and 20 in the loss against the Bucs). Sound familiar? Again, the message here was that everyone scores on the Bucs. Kudos, to Cobra Kai as he hit the game winning 50 yarder with room to spare and ALL of his PATs. He always belonged in a dome.

  5. YOU LIKE THAT - Nov 1, 2015 at 12:26 PM

    Cousins kool Aide is sweeter than Bob…

  6. bangkokben - Nov 1, 2015 at 5:46 PM

    Great post, Rich! So much for us readers to discuss, alas we continue to jump on the quarterback position as if it is all there is.

    The upcoming schedule had several of the regular posters shaking in their boots this week but Rich points out quite clearly that Goldilocks has more courage than that lot. Of course, the Panthers, Patriots, and even Giants MAY be automatic losses for this team (the Giants always save their best effort for the ‘skins), but even if you believe that, wouldn’t that present a fighting chance at 9-7? As of 5:30 EST, that would project to first in the division.

    Score more points and throw the snot out of the ball may indeed help the defense stop the run and generate more pressure. Did last weeks uniforms contribute to Cousins’ success? No stripes on the helmet. Nice unis – I’d love to see the team playing with those more often.

    As much as I see the positives in Kirk Cousins, there is no need to tear down Griffin to prop Cousins up. Kirk’s work speaks for itself. Considering the state of college football, there will be multiple suitors for Robert Griffin III. Career starts, more TDs than INTs, still developing, and being 26 in February makes him an attractive option for teams that need a QB to grow with but have other needs and not the resources to draft a QB in the top half of the 1st round. In addition, there will be/are a number of teams with aging starters that Griffin could learn from for a year before being handed the reigns. In 2017 he’d be 27.

  7. goback2rfk - Nov 1, 2015 at 6:13 PM

    I will take Kyle Shanahan any day over Sean McVay

    • JOHNNY B - Nov 1, 2015 at 7:46 PM

      Hell Kyle for head Coach .lol

  8. JOHNNY B - Nov 1, 2015 at 7:45 PM

    The Redskins are still #2 in our weak division after the Cowboys and Giants loss. There’s still hope.

    • John - Nov 2, 2015 at 6:34 PM

      The next 5 games are going to be a real challenge (Patriots, Saints, Panthers, Giants and Cowboys with Romo). We’ll be luck to pick up 1 or 2 games in that part of the schedule.

      • JOHNNY B - Nov 2, 2015 at 7:13 PM

        3 out of the next 5. We have shut down Romo before and I think we will beat the Giants this time. So I guess the saints will be the 3rd.

  9. John - Nov 1, 2015 at 10:06 PM


    Robert refuses to be the athlete that made the read option work when he was a rookie. The read option is now a wrinkle, much like the wildcat, which is no longer in style. Robert came out of a college having played in a system referred to as sandlot football. The read option was developed for Robert to ease his transition to the pro game. He was successful because he was not asked to do a lot. Defenses have since been set up to shut it down.

    Robert has been ineffective the last 2 seasons. During the preseason he had not shown anything different from last year. Chris Cooley laid out what Robert was doing wrong during his film breakdowns. Sure they beat Philly, but the defense was pretty key in that game. That and Mark Sanchez helped them out quite a bit.

    Most all the pieces from 2012 were on the team in 2013, why didn’t Robert take the team to the playoffs then? If Robert is so great, why isn’t he playing now? What is Gruden a racist? No! A coach is graded on wins and losses. Kirk gives the team the best chance at winning. Robert does not. If he was the best option he would be playing.

    • ajbus1 - Nov 2, 2015 at 12:43 AM

      Your comments are refreshing and I like your realistic point of view. I’ve completely agreed with all your comments on this.

      • squawonthewarpath - Nov 2, 2015 at 9:59 PM

        I agree ajbus1. It is quite refreshing to view opinions that are logical and realistic. Quite often finding such viewpoints on here are few and far between.

  10. leaksjr - Nov 1, 2015 at 11:56 PM

    News flash for this team to return to its winning trend Gruden won’t be the coach and kirk will not be the QB. You guys are taken in by the media, there’s a reason that Robert is still in DC LOL. All you Kirk fans get ready for the wall you are about to hit.

    • John - Nov 2, 2015 at 12:19 AM


      Whatever drugs your taking, you need to stop because their ruining you perception of reality. Were Robert in there, things would be far worse. This is 2015, not 2012. At this point, 2012 might as well be 1912. What in the last 2 seasons makes you think things would change with Robert as the starter?

      • skinsgame - Nov 2, 2015 at 5:44 AM

        He sees Griffins durability, quick deconstruct making, pocket awareness, ability to read a defense, and leadership skills in exactly the opposite way of those of us with eyeballs.

        • skinsgame - Nov 2, 2015 at 5:44 AM


        • leaksjr - Nov 2, 2015 at 11:01 AM

          How much money you Kirk fans are putting on Kirk Sisters this coming week ? Come on and say something stupid. RG3 may not have it anymore, but Kirk never had it, he’s a back up at best. Come on people as bad as you want to, you can’t turn a backup into a franchise, stop looking for that glass slipper this is the NFL not Cinderella. LOL You have to have a franchise QB and a franchise Coach and we have neither, and haven’t had for a number of years, notice the teams that are successful are the one’s that have had the same coach and qb for a number of years. You guys are thinking Kirk is the answer, but he’s not, all you are doing is changing seats on a crashing plane LOL

      • John - Nov 2, 2015 at 12:23 PM

        Leaks fails to see that 1) Regardless of which one of the 3 quarterbacks we have, the team is not going very far this season. 2) Changing the coach and quarterback only continues the cycle that’s been going on since 1999. 3) Draft in a “franchise quarterback” is very rare (none in the coming draft, none in free agency) after all, we thought we drafted two in Heath Shuler and Robert and see how those turned out (there have been plenty quarterbacks drafted high who amounted to nothing). 4) Even if we got a high quality starter it would not make a big difference thanks to defense that can’t stop anyone and special teams that are a disaster waiting to happen. 5) Were Kirk and Gruden as bad as Leaksjr thinks, we’d be hearing it in the media regarding anonymous inside sources (the players would be griping). Since that’s not the case, they must have their backs.

        So leaksjr, instead of being negative. Since Snyder is not voing to sell the team anytime in the near future, how would you get the team on the right track?

        • leaksjr - Nov 2, 2015 at 2:11 PM

          Not trying to be negative, just frustrated I want very much to see the Skins get back to where we were, I have been a Skins fan for a while, back when Sonny was QB, I am not seeing colors It really does not matter, I could be wrong about Kirk, I hope so, but I don’t think so, can you guys tell me how can Kirk throw so many picks if he can read defenses so well. If I was running the show, I think that if I am going to lose, I would rather lose with the guy I gave up everything to get, now It would be hard for anyone to convince me that we are not headed for a another losing season I don’t have the answers I wish I did. Hope I am wrong about Kirk. The East is up for grabs if we just had a QB that could manage the games I think we might we might do something over there. Ok on my way to work I will reply when I get back to my PC

        • John - Nov 2, 2015 at 3:04 PM


          I to have been a Redskins fan from the days of the over the hill gang with George Allen. Unfortunately team has not accomplished much since the end of Gibbs 1.0. Changing the quarterback is not going to accomplish much. Robert has been found wanting for a variety of reasons. He has talent but not for this kind offense at this stage of his career development. Any college quarterback will take 2 to 3 years of consistent playing time before the game slows down for them. Unfortunately in Roberts case, he needs to go back to quarterback 101. Sure he was great at Baylor and he was successful in a gimmick offense in 2012. Other teams have compensated for that. A lot of college quarterbacks come out of spread/shotgun systems. That’s not the NFL. A lot of them fail because they were not asked to read defenses. At Baylor the offense had no structure. Its a lot for Robert or any qb coming from that system to adapt to the NFL. The Jets are not even considering using Bryce Petty, the guy they drafted, who also lit it up at Baylor and both of the the guys ahead of him are banged up. I don’t see a locker room full of players willing to lose for 3 years while Robert learns on the job. Kirk at least fits the system from having played in a pro style system in college. He does a lot of good things because of that and I’m sure you’ve seen some growth from him. He has thrown some interceptions but for the most part they were not the reason the team has lost. He can’t do anything about receivers running the wrong routes, leading to an inrerceotion. Or dropped passes. He needs to work on his footwork, so as to get off better throws but that will come. Running a hurry up offense could help Kirk in that he would operate without having to think about every detail, like Sonny says, don’t aim, just throw it.

          Scot M understands that “franchise quarterbacks”are hard to come by. He believes in building through the draft and filling in around the quarterback. He and Gruden are on the same page. Scot said from the outset that this is going to take a couple of years. At least we have a football guy (a good one) running things and not Vinnie or George who was proud of “winning off the field”. Just have patience, better days are ahead. Archives

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