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Need to Know: Redskins complete historic comeback

Oct 26, 2015, 5:21 AM EDT


Here is what you need to know on this Monday, October 26, 13 days before the Redskins visit the New England Patriots.

Notes and numbers on Redskins 31, Bucs 30

—The Redskins’ comeback from a 24-point deficit was the biggest deficit the team has overcome to win a game in its teams history. They have overcome 21-point deficits three times, against the Panthers (On 10.3.99), the Lions (11.4.90), and the Cowboys (11.28.65).

—Kirk Cousins’ 33 completions tied the franchise record. Jason Campbell also had 33 in a game against the Cowboys on November 18, 2007.

—Cousins’ passer rating of 124.7 was the highest of any start of his career.

—Tight end Jordan Reed recorded career highs in both receptions (11) and touchdown receptions (2).

—The successful onside kick the Redskins executed in the third quarter, kicked by Dustin Hopkins and recovered by Trenton Robinson was their first since November 4, 2007.

—Chris Baker is catching up with team leader Bashaud Breeland in the takeaways department. He recovered a fumble to seal the win today after forcing two fumbles in Atlanta in Week 5.

—The onside kick recovery was the first in the NFL this season; teams were 0-24 trying to kick onside going into Sunday’s games.


Today’s schedule: Jay Gruden news conference 3 p.m.

Days until: Redskins @ Patriots 13; Saints @ Redskins 20; Redskins @ Panthers 27

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  1. JOHNNY B - Oct 26, 2015 at 5:49 AM

    Excellent game Gruden finally decided to take the leash off Kirk. Started to play aggressive and didn’t give Kirk time to over think. Outstanding job by our offense. Our defense is still to passive that needs to be corrected. Overall a great game.

    • wvredskins - Oct 26, 2015 at 8:59 AM

      I agree. 3rd downs is a prime example of what you said. Instead of throwing obvious quick outs/ in routes/ snake routes at the 1st down mark on 3rd down, they ran plays beyond the 1st down mark and created big plays on 3rd down. That was by far Kirk’s best game as a NFL QB! If he can become consistent in his play week in and week out, We MIGHT have something here with Kirk. Hes got to do it game in and game out.

    • bangkokben - Oct 26, 2015 at 10:06 AM

      I don’t Gruden took the leash off as much as the game situations dictated it. Hopefully, Gruden has a deeper trust in his QB now and will therefore open up the playbook or at least stop calling a “fear to fail” type strategy.

      • JOHNNY B - Oct 26, 2015 at 2:48 PM

        Unfortunately if he would have been more aggressive in previous games we might have a better record. Too many close games that we could have won.

        • bangkokben - Oct 26, 2015 at 7:19 PM

          Chalk it up to a 2nd year HC learning to trust his neophyte QB. What we learned is that Gruden and McVay are capable of adjusting.


          It’ll be easy to be out coached by three of the next four coaches. Then it gets a little easier but other than his brother no one is expecting Gruden to out-coach the majority of the coaches we face.

        • abanig - Oct 27, 2015 at 8:44 AM

          I remember the play calling and Cousins being more aggressive in all of our losses and he made mistakes and threw ints. Maybe I’m misremembering that though.

          The difference Sunday was Cousins was more accurate and made the correct reads. In the Mia, NYG, ATL & NYJ games Cousins made bad reads/decisions and was innacurate.

          Sunday was the most accurate I’ve seen Cousins EVER! Throughout an entire game.

  2. sidepull - Oct 26, 2015 at 6:43 AM

    Reed is a beast.

    More injuries piling up. Hope some dodge missing games. Either that or we need some players to return soon please.

    TB, how tough it is to be a fan…up 24-0 a the half and then to lose by 1 point. Detox must be full this morning in Tampa.

    • bangkokben - Oct 26, 2015 at 7:30 PM

      Love the Tampa area – the nice parts of course. Any Bucs fan had to be cursing at their defense – 15 defensive penalties! I’m not even sure how many of those were personal fouls but every time they showed the replay, I kept asking myself: “Do they think this is 1989?” (where you get one step and still can tackle the QB) What an over-aggressive, dirty, undisciplined bunch! Seems like their scouts said, “You got to make Cousins FEEL the pressure.” What a bunch of dumb asses! You can’t wait until he gets the ball out of his hand and then hit him.
      Great game by Cousins; idiotic game by the Bucs defense.

  3. mr.moneylover - Oct 26, 2015 at 7:34 AM

    Did you guys notice perry Riley was benched….he was sideline most of the second half…they put in will compton and the defense look better they need to evaluate that postion during the by week

    • ET - Oct 26, 2015 at 11:54 AM

      Didn’t Riley re-injure his leg? I thought that’s why he came out.

      • abanig - Oct 26, 2015 at 12:05 PM

        Yes, that is why Riley exited the game. He agrivated his calf again. Without Riley our run D is worse. Riley is the missle in the middle of our D who clogs up the opponents run game – when he guesses right. When he guesses wrong, you have Ivory getting huge chunks on 7 plays like last week vs the Jets.

        • bangkokben - Oct 26, 2015 at 7:33 PM

          That may be true (the Riley guessing game) but I saw our DBs cheat inside and lose contain against the Jets. I think losing Culliver and Hall may have had the most underrated affect on our run defense – a theory I’m working; probably wrong.

      • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Oct 26, 2015 at 12:24 PM

        I think he hurt the other calf and that’s why he came out.

        But I do like Will Compton, I think he’s better in pass coverage.

  4. mr.moneylover - Oct 26, 2015 at 7:40 AM

    Kirk cousins never had a leash on …it was the play calling jay gruden never had confidents to make adjustments and yesterday it seem like they made adjustments during the half to make that comeback….if jay gruden can make adjustments during halftime I believe we can beat the saints and Panthers…this game is all about adjustments

    • JOHNNY B - Oct 26, 2015 at 10:18 AM

      That’s what a leash is. He started to play aggressive and Kirk took off and the offense followed. Passive doesn’t get you wins.

  5. mr.moneylover - Oct 26, 2015 at 7:42 AM

    Its time for some of those injured players to comeback so we can be even better

  6. greed - Oct 26, 2015 at 7:44 AM

    once again struggle to beat a bad team at home. Still not convinced wit kirk this what he do plays good against bad teams plays bad against good teams …run defense smfh

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 26, 2015 at 9:13 AM

      Expanding the routes made a noticeable difference in both Kirk’s passing and the running game. The read option plays provided a dynamic where Cousins has easy runs. The defense was completely focused on the running backs on every hand off. It looked like Kirk could have averaged 10 yards a run on his own with every read option execution. The running game can only get better when defenses start to respect the passing game that goes beyond 15 yards. It took the coaches almost 26 quarters off football to realize this.

  7. darcrequiem - Oct 26, 2015 at 7:45 AM

    I’ve been critical of Kirk in the past but I have to give credit were credit is due. He had an excellent game. What impressed me most was his accuracy. He was hitting guys in stride yesterday. Reed is a special talent. I just hope he can stay healthy. He’s pretty much unstoppable.

  8. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Oct 26, 2015 at 8:34 AM


  9. colmac69 - Oct 26, 2015 at 8:40 AM

    First thing don’t go on twitter and moan when team getting hammered….esp when they come back and win lol

    Seriously how gd was that comeback….the notable critics will come on and make out how bad tampa bay are…how lucky skins were blah blah

    When u dwn 24 with seven mins to play in first half…come back and win…u got to b impressed

    Cousins was great…pass protection was xcellent (apart from sack/fumble)…reed outstanding…play calling second half kept bucs defense on their heels…defense came up strong with goalline stance…kicker bn great since wk 2

    But just like last two wks nd to keep an even keel…cousins has to show consistency in his performance…Run game was very poor again…Run defense was hopeless again (Ingram. .Stewart just two running backs on tap nxt three wks)…

    However that’s two games cousins has lead team dwn field for winning score (tds not fgs)in first seven games(could pulled off victory atlanta game as well)…that can’t be dismissed and that’s how you get support of changing room

    Game also said to me that players are without doubt behind coach….the self belief these games give you can’t b ignored no matter how gd/bad opposition is

    It could all change in a few wks as we got ne. and car as nxt three games…hopefully we get few players back for nxt game esp Jackson. …with his threat…reed…crowder…Garcon. ..Thompson poss on field at one time how scary could that b to def c ordinators

    Nice to enjoy nxt couple wks for sure……winning makes most happy xcept posters like greed…my money…timwillie

    • greed - Oct 26, 2015 at 10:50 AM

      this isnt winning its barely beating bad teams at home , how can i or any real skins/football fan be happy with liquid gold when i know its mac n cheese /i agree with most of your assesment other than this game showed me theyre not playing for the coach why they got down 0-24 they playing for themselves/eachother the bucs are a young team in worst shape than we are besides having franchise qb to groom- kirk did what he always do against bad secondarys if your happy with that then goodluck to you

      • colmac69 - Oct 26, 2015 at 11:09 AM

        What right have we got to hammer teams at home?what we achieved over last number yrs to justify that…if we patriots or green Bay then Yeh fair enough

        Anyway we win by one and get w miami win by 20 and get w….that’s bottom line…if we won for example 6 out 9 by point and get playoffs nobody gonna wonder bout margin victory

        Yeh I’m happy for cousins display yesterday just like I was disappointed in him second half last wk. …

        Do that more consistently we could have winner…

        • greed - Oct 26, 2015 at 1:30 PM

          my point we struggle to beat bad teams period, kirk bless his heart only plays well against bad defenses/secondarys how can i jump for joy, show me something against the better teams ,ill take a 1-10 point lost against a good teams bein out talented and competively being in the game that showing improvement /building , than struggling to beat bad teams , that showing me either they playing down to level of competition or we a bad team too where is there to be happy ? If im gruden im not happy im telling team this is unacepptable not smiling and joking with the media

  10. abanig - Oct 26, 2015 at 8:50 AM

    I’m so happy for Kirk and this young offense! “You like that?” “You like that?”

    I hope the second half carries forward to the second half of the season.

    I think they’re building something here for the first this in 3 seasons. I like the young receivers, the young OL, the young RBs and the qb is progressing and making progress.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 26, 2015 at 9:01 AM

      This was a historic game for Cousins …well a hugely historic half may be more accurate. However, progression comes with consistency. I’d like to to see Cousins carry at least a strong performance beyond one game against a more prominent defense. We’ll see if Cousins can show real progress in a few weeks. Right now, I couldn’t be happier for them since the staff finally wised up and stretched the passing lanes for him. This gave him more field to work with against a team you should be able to beat downfield. Now, if the passing scheme and get rid of those hideous routes where two receives are literally working the same area of the field together. There was far too many of those tight pass formations yesterday. Why HC/OC think its a good idea for Cousins throwing with two receiving bunched together and surrounded by three defensive backs is beyond anyone with sound football logic.

      • skinsgame - Oct 26, 2015 at 9:19 AM

        McVay eludes scrutiny, usually. Isn’t he the OC?

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 26, 2015 at 9:44 AM

          Yes, but his true role with playing calling is hard to know. He could be just this understudy puppet OC. Cavanaugh could be as much involved in play calling as any of them. However, as HC you have to always assume he gets final say with the game plan. As to who made the switch on the scheme by stretching the passing game, it’s impossible to know. What I do know is there was a change in the passing scheme in second half. And it sure as hell made a difference for Cousins and partly the running game. However, this idea of having receivers aligned tightly together still occurred. I’m not a fan of these “bunched” routes unless the QB is looking to throw the other side for a WR left one-on-one.

          “We’re very close, mentally, to thinking alike . . . when we put together a game plan and you have your third down situations, you can almost call them together,” Gruden said. “So it’s very important for us to be on the same page when we install and call plays.

          “But we’ll both have input on game day, like we do every game. Whether [McVey] calls 50 percent, I call 50 percent, [McVey] calls 80 percent or 20 doesn’t matter as long as we agree during the week that ‘This is our plan, this is how we’re going to attack and these are the situations we’re going to call certain plays.'”

          Can Gruden, McVey and Cavanaugh avoid overloading quarterback Robert Griffin III with differing viewpoints?

          “Sometimes, we’re all three in the meeting room. Sometimes, it’s just Coach Cavanaugh, Coach Gruden,” McVey said. “But I think the great thing is we’re all on the same page, communicating the same message to those quarterbacks.”


      • 214hof - Oct 26, 2015 at 9:44 AM

        More prominent defense? You know the Buccs’ were #5 in total yards against right? (#5 against the pass – #15 against the run) I for got unless Kirk can manufacture a W undefeated teams like the Pats, Packers, or Panthers then its a gunk win right? Criticizes and blame Kirk for L, and give hollow praise when he out plays your expectations, its getting old.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 26, 2015 at 9:46 AM

          “More prominent defense? You know the Buccs’ were #5 in total yards against right? ‘

          You know that Tampa gave up 12 touchdown passes which was 3rd in the league. Total yards means nothing on a losing team that his probably playing behind most the season.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 26, 2015 at 9:50 AM

          Oh btw; that total yards you used was based on one less game than many teams since they had a bye last week.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 26, 2015 at 9:57 AM

          “Criticizes and blame Kirk for L, and give hollow praise when he out plays your expectations, its getting old.”

          This only hollow praise is your inability to comprehend a balance criticism. I’ve routinely stated part of Cousins issues is the passing scheme and the over emphasis of the short field. Cousins can’t help that routes the coaches give him to throw. However, you either ignore those or again you are not able to accept balanced criticism.

        • timwillhide - Oct 26, 2015 at 10:01 AM

          31st ranked defense in NFL Team Opponent Average Team Passer Rating and 31st in NFL Team Opponent Passing Touchdowns per Game

          What does that mean? Teams easily score and throw on them. We should have bin able to score earlier

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 26, 2015 at 10:20 AM

          Yes Tim, Marcus Mariota sliced up this defense in the very first game yet some here want to think this is a 5th ranked defense? I guess bye weeks must have escaped their minds or they are trying to create an illusion.

        • timwillhide - Oct 26, 2015 at 10:43 AM

          I’m not drinking the Cousins Kool-aid till I see him throw accurate passes more consistently down field and doesn’t turn the ball over as much on a weekly basis. A pick hear or there bouncing off of receivers hands I can live with not the throw it up for grabs nowhere near the Wr.

        • greed - Oct 26, 2015 at 1:49 PM

          da hell you talking about the Bucs are one of the worst defenses in the nfl especially against the pass, again it what cousins do play good against bad defenses, did anyone think he would play poorly against the bucs? If i wanted to i could point out the 2 int bucs dropped or the pass b4 the gw td that if the safety didnt anticipate a gd pass and move a half step wouldve hit him in both hands instead of one

        • JOHNNY B - Oct 26, 2015 at 2:57 PM

          No the Bucks were ranked overall # 5 in total defense. This team has played top 10 defenses 5 out of 7 games. The Patriots will be easier on the Offense not on the Defense. If we play aggressive like yesterday against the Patriots it won’t be a win but not a slaughter either.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 26, 2015 at 4:24 PM

          Johnny I have no idea what you are reading but you are grossly misinformed about the defense rankings. As of week 6 the Tampa Bay defense rank was 15th overall and 24 on pass defense. That same defense also gave up the 3rd most passing touchdowns in 12.

        • JOHNNY B - Oct 26, 2015 at 4:43 PM

          Nfl stats and they are still ranked 5 in total defense in yardage where it matters. Less yards allowed = less points except in short yardage situations.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 26, 2015 at 4:33 PM

          My bad – Tampa Bay’s overall ranking was 24th and the 15th rank was for the prior week’s game.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 26, 2015 at 5:30 PM

          “Nfl stats and they are still ranked 5 in total defense in yardage where it matters. Less yards allowed = less points except in short yardage situations.”

          Nothing above makes any sense. “Less yards allowed = less points” is not factual and it’s proven untrue in many cases. Defenses can often give up many yards and yield fewer touchdowns. Tampa as of now has allowed 15 touchdown passes and ONLY taken 3 interceptions. A rookie QB in his first game tallied 4 touchdown passes on TB. I guess you want to tell me that Carolina’s defense is an easier game for Cousins than Tampa Bay since they ranked three spots behind the Bucs in that shallow statistic you try to use. Come back to me at the end of the season and tell me again how Tampa Bay is a top five defense.

        • JOHNNY B - Oct 26, 2015 at 6:09 PM

          Defensively yes they will be easier offensively not at all. O wait a minute it depends on which team shows up to play. Stats don’t mean anything in this Nfl. Look Cousins should not have been able to do what he did on Sunday according to the stats. Stats are put together from how 1 team plays against another. It doesn’t factor in injuries from player’s that were injured to players that got injured during the game. Like the Redskins our stats have been going down due to injuries on offense and Defense. According to you our Offense should not have been able to beat the Bucks but bring back 1 injured player and it changes. When we come back from the bye we should have at least 3 to 4 more back and healthy. But according to our stats we should be blown out by the Patriots. I don’t think so. Stats don’t mean anything.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 26, 2015 at 5:44 PM

          It just gets more outrageous: Tampa Bay’s defense is tied 1st in most points allowed per game. This against daunting offenses that consist of Tennessee, New Orleans, Houston, Carolina, Jacksonville, and Washington. Only one of those teams Tampa played ranks in the top 15 in offensive scores per game. Dig deeper since your argument about total yards allowed is a house of cards sitting in front of a Tsunami.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 26, 2015 at 6:59 PM

          ” Look Cousins should not have been able to do what he did on Sunday according to the stats. ”

          If you are referring to what he did in the 2nd half then it certainly is unlikely. Cousins did what no other QB on this team ever did that was down by 24. This is why it’s a historical moment for Cousins and the team. However stats do have meaning. Yes, there is nothing that will tell someone in advance what team WILL beat the other or what offense WILL dominate a defense. Statistics are better to isolate tendencies and point to where strength and weaknesses exists. However, you can never use one raw statistic to measure the success of a team either offensively or defensively. In Tampa Bay’s case, there were many other statistics that revealed the flaw in the yards allowed. When a statistic is solid is when others statistics are aligned.

      • bangkokben - Oct 26, 2015 at 10:26 AM

        ” I’d like to to see Cousins carry at least a strong performance beyond one game against a more prominent defense.”

        We ALL would. But why would we EXPECT that? Seriously, why? Progression isn’t linear nor is it instantaneous. Cousins has now started 7 games this year after “filling in” as the starter a handful of times. Why should he all of sudden carry a team with no running game against better foes? You have your own gripes with pass plays called. Yet, the team is 3-4 and clinging to the hope that they can compete in this league and if the chips fall their way they may be in the post-season.

        As for progression, how about CONSISTENTLY beating the winnable opponents?

        • timwillhide - Oct 26, 2015 at 1:13 PM

          I wouldn’t call 3 starts in 2013, starting all those games last year, and starting the first 7 games this year as filling in a hand full of times

        • bangkokben - Oct 26, 2015 at 6:37 PM

          He wasn’t starting because he was NAMED the starter – it was clear, “he was filling in” for the injured starter. There is a difference of commitment from the organization – like getting yanked for the 3rd stringer because you aren’t getting the job done and the starter is returning quicker than expected.

          But more accurately, Cousins has played in 21 games and started 16 – (of which: 7 he was THE starter, 6 he was “filling in” for the injured starter, and 3 as the result of the crumbling Shanahan regime).
          “You like that!”

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 26, 2015 at 2:02 PM

          “Why should he all of sudden carry a team with no running game against better foes? ”

          I’m not sure anyone in this discussion including me was making this case. However, last week you seemed to suggest the running game can exist exclusive from the passing game yet pose a question on the contrary for Cousins and the passing game?

          Anyway that’s where you and I disagree. The running game won’t open up until the passing game does like it did in the second half. I mentioned in another comment that you could clearly see how defenses keyed on the running backs when Cousins ran some read option plays. Cousins was coasting untouched five yards downfield while the Jones was hit by multiple players without the ball. All eyes on the line were on Matt Jones in those instances. I get that is a small sample but the point I want to make is that I feel the same is happening even when Cousins drops back. I’m certain defense come in determined to attack the rushing game while forcing Cousins to win with his arm. If Cousins can consistently show he can stretch the defense and make them pay then this offensive could be very productive.

        • bangkokben - Oct 26, 2015 at 4:30 PM

          Jd, your quotes (like the one I quoted you using) as well as others and other posters have implied exactly what I posted. As for this disconnect (never did I suggest that the running game should exist exclusively without a passing game) and this chicken vs egg debate about the running game (once again we ran for less than 50 yards), the running game didn’t open up because of the passing game, it opened up because we did SOMETHING DIFFERENT! The read option gave Cousins some yards. Dare we say great coaching/playcalling? Or maybe just the kind of “genius” you find in desperation?

          Here Rich Tandler does great work on a CSN blog. Alas, it’s the stuff we used to get here regularly instead of the once a day posts but the guy has bosses, I’m sure. Keep up the great work Rich.

          JD, I’m posting it to better explain my position from last week: if you’re sticking with plan A then you have to find a way to run. Personally, I like plan B better.

        • gasngo14 - Oct 26, 2015 at 2:06 PM

          Well said! HTTR!

        • greed - Oct 26, 2015 at 2:06 PM

          ok good argument holds some weight bv cmon he no a rookie started a game played in 3 yr1 started last 3yr2 started 5or6 and came in 1st qt againrt jax yr3 started 7yr4 and makes same mistakes as rookie yr only thing he consistent at is playin well against bad defenses. If we were handly beating theese teams ok bv we struggling , if TB running back didnt throw ball away they was in fg range 54 yds with time to spike ball , you happy about that win or just hey ill take it memtality like me? If he show me something against pats ill take a sip of kirk kool aid

        • bangkokben - Oct 26, 2015 at 5:02 PM

          That last play did help us because the stupid refs didn’t start the play clock. I timed it several times and it was 8+ seconds until the lateral and then a total of 10 second by the time Swaggy got the ball. Should have been two seconds left with ‘skins taking a knee. (which is what the play clock showed briefly before the ref arbitrarily put five on) The running back had NO CLUE the clock didn’t start. In his mind there was four seconds or less on the clock and no time for a spike.

          As for Cousins, he has started 16 games over his career and had some action in 5 other games. That puts him behind guys like Blake Bortles (21 G and 20 GS) and Derrick Carr.(22 G & GS). So those would be his contemporaries except nobody thought that much of Kirk when he was drafted or when those guys were drafted. I’m sure had either the 3rd or 36th pick of last year’s draft been offered to our team we would’ve jumped on it.

          In conclusion: Football Outsiders have each QB ranked before yesterday’s games in DYAR, DVOA, and ESPN’s total QBR. Here is how they line up:
          Derek Carr 8, 9, 21
          Kirk Cousins 9, 12, 22
          Blake Bortles 17, 21, 14
          They all had winning games so I doubt there will be much movement. but Cousins is playing on par to similarly experienced but more highly regarded contemporaries. “You like that!”

        • brucefan1 - Oct 26, 2015 at 2:31 PM

          Sorry greed, but I think I’m gonna need one of those diagrams you offered to draw for recently, when I made mention of the incomprehensibility of a previous post.

          Would you do that for me?


        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 26, 2015 at 6:03 PM

          “They all had winning games so I doubt there will be much movement. but Cousins is playing on par to similarly experienced but more highly regarded contemporaries. “You like that!””

          “Derek Carr 8, 9, 21
          Kirk Cousins 9, 12, 22
          Blake Bortles 17, 21, 14”

          No I’m not liking that at all since regardless of placement in draft, none of these quarterbacks are considered elites nor are they expected to be anytime soon. Contemporary is normally used if you want to discuss who was drafted the same year as the other player or who is the same age. Okay you want to spin it to games played in the NFL even though Kirk is significantly older (3 years) and has been playing in a west coast significantly longer. It Doesn’t matter since respectively as you provided the 2015 QBR of those QBs are ranked 21, 22, and 14. Nothing the pounce on there.

          Cousins should be congratulated for a great 2nd half yesterday. A historically great 2nd half for this franchised. I’d love as much as any devoted fan for him to continue that performance moving forward. But I’m missing your point about what is it to like about comparing these three QBs.

        • bangkokben - Oct 27, 2015 at 8:59 AM

          The point is Cousins is DEVELOPING! That is what this thread is about. He is not a finished product. We don’t know what that finished product will be, do we? You have your ideas, Mike Shanahan has his ideas, I have my own visions; but not of us really knows what that will be. Injuries could set back that development as we’ve seen first hand.

          So I laid out – as best to my ability – an apples to apples comparison of where Cousins is in his growth.

          Sure, none of these guys are elite but the two younger pups were thought of quite highly. But then again you have bought into the Myth of the Elite QB.

          Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, and Dan Marino have won a combined THREE Super Bowls. At the same time Russell Wilson, Joe Flacco and Eli Manning have won a combined four. IT TAKES 53 MEN!

          Once again, we DON’T KNOW where Cousins growth curve will end. Some of us “up here” just keep prematurely predicting it.

        • timwillhide - Oct 26, 2015 at 8:26 PM

          You may like Turnovers and inaccurate passes I don’t. So no I don’t like that. Guess you do.
          Also there is a big difference playing poorly injured and behind a bad Oline than playing poorly behind a good online and healthy. Pretty sad the excuses made for a healthy player playing behind a solid oline

        • bangkokben - Oct 26, 2015 at 8:55 PM

          Right. Last week’s O-line had 15 combined starts between them.

          Seriously, do ever read what you post before you post it?

          I gave overwhelming statistical evidence to you multiple times during the summer that showed that Cousins gets the ball out faster avoiding sacks. Yet you couldn’t see it then and can’t see it now. Don’t waste your time responding to my posts. What does this have to do with #10? Other than the fact that you are still mad as a hive of hornets that he isn’t starting. Don’t you have your own site where you can spread your propaganda?

        • bangkokben - Oct 26, 2015 at 9:18 PM

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 27, 2015 at 9:34 AM

          “The point is Cousins is DEVELOPING! That is what this thread is about. He is not a finished product. ”

          LOL! Yet RG3 was done or a bust by the end of 2014 or because of a few series after the Detroit Preseason?

          Okay, I had to stick that response in there since I’ve argued the same for RG3 but many football hacks here have a period on his career. However, back to Cousins; It’s fine if you want to think he is not yet a finished product. I’m certainly not stating he still can’t improve. Yes, none of us know Cousins’ finished product. We do know that he had one hell of a 2nd half last weekend. However, his overall performance this season is nothing yet to celebrate. I want him to build on this comeback game and I want the coaches to get their heads out of the sand by using a more aggressive offensive passing scheme. It makes no sense to wait 26 quarters and a 24 point deficit to start stretching the field. If the coaches open up the offense then we’ll see how he does. I also contend you will see the running game improve once defenses have to manage a bigger field in the passing game. I’ll continue to be critical yet honest about my assessment about Cousins. I’m not going to treat him like a second year QB because of his number of NFL games started. He’s had much more practice and TIME working the west coast than the two QBs you want to put him on par on. I think you are setting the experience bar a bit low. Regardless if Cousins shows the consistency I mentioned earlier then I’d be happy to give him his share of praise.

        • bangkokben - Oct 27, 2015 at 2:04 PM

          “I also contend you will see the running game improve once defenses have to manage a bigger field in the passing game.”

          I don’t dispute that at all. In fact I’d agree. However that would mean a shift in philosophy from being a run 1st team to a pass 1st team. And the way the line blocks the run that seems like a good idea.

          “He’s had much more practice and TIME working the west coast than the two QBs…” You act like Cousins was birthed right from Bill Walsh’s lips. Nearly every offense runs “west coast” offense principles but every coach runs their offense differently. There is a vast difference from the Shanahan’s version to Gruden’s version to Jim Zorn’s version. Irregardless, what you see as a HUGE advantage in PRACTICE(?) time I see as a wash when considering the overall talent of the prospects. It does seem a bit partial to afford the previous QB every benefit of the doubt but not concede any ground here.

          Lastly, it wasn’t just the 2nd half, it was from the time the game was 24-0. From FO: “From that point forward, he went 27-of-32 for 273 yards and 15 first downs, including all three touchdowns. He also converted four of his six third-down plays, after the fumble going 5-of-6 for 72 yards and two touchdowns. When you’re leading a comeback like Cousins did, it helps to hit some deep balls; Cousins went 5-of-7 for 127 yards on throws that traveled more than 15 yards past the line of scrimmage.”

        • abanig - Oct 27, 2015 at 2:14 PM

          It’s true, both Cousins and Griffin are developing as qb.

          Only idiots – and yes, I said idiots – act as if Robert Griffin III’s career is over and he doesn’t have a future at some point in the NFL.

          Sure he has several areas to improve on a drop back passer, but so do many of his counterparts who play the same brand of ball that he does.

      • ET - Oct 26, 2015 at 12:50 PM

        “I’d like to to see Cousins carry at least a strong performance beyond one game against a more prominent defense. We’ll see if Cousins can show real progress in a few weeks. “

        Consistency is key. Having Reed as safety blanket sure doesn’t hurt Cousins’ game, and Kirk seemed generally more accurate this past Sunday (for whatever reason). We’ll see if he can keep it up.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 26, 2015 at 2:07 PM

          Reed certainly helps and Jackson was be the remaining dynamic we need out of the wide outs. However, I may have to give up discussing Jackson since he seems to have become a fixture on the sideline this season. I think Rich made a great point about how his speed is so critical that he has to be completely healed from a simple hamstring pull unlike most other players that can produce when even 80% from recovery of the same injury.

        • JOHNNY B - Oct 26, 2015 at 6:15 PM

          I bet he did not play this week for personal reasons more than injury.

  11. skinsgame - Oct 26, 2015 at 8:51 AM

    Incredible win that disappointed naysayers who were frothing with delight at halftime. The defense is not performing, particularly the defensive line. In the preseason there were 2 alleged points of strength on this team: WR and DL. Both are proving to be underwhelming and the DL is beginning to be a massive liability. Even so, a lot of fight in this team. HTTR!!

    • abanig - Oct 26, 2015 at 8:56 AM

      Wrs are playing well considering they are with out their #1.

      • skinsgame - Oct 26, 2015 at 9:15 AM

        They had a good game yesterday, finally. Up to that point, they have been a disappointment. Hopefully it’s a sign of better things to come.

        • abanig - Oct 26, 2015 at 9:29 AM

          I can’t agree with that. The Wrs have payed pretty well all year minus Andre Roberts – who had a big catch yesterday – it’s Cousins was missing open wrs the first 6 weeks of the season, throwing behind them and over their heads.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 26, 2015 at 10:11 AM

          Correct abanig! Ryan Grant especially was getting open only to reach behind or shorten his route to make a catch. Cousins finally hit Grant on a few passes in stride. The difference was some nice runs after the catch.

        • abanig - Oct 26, 2015 at 10:15 AM

          These guys have been open all year, Cousins was just inconsistent for most of the games. It’s obvious. Grant was missed 3/4 times this season and 2 of them could have been a TD.

          Others have been missed in the middle of the field.

          Garcon was missed on a TD vs the Falcons when Kirk threw high. On Kirk’s 1st int vs ATL, Kirk threw low and behind Garcon in the middle of the field.

          Kirk missed Reed twice for TDs against the Giants.

          I’m sure I’m missing some.

          Kirk played his best game in two seasons yesterday as far accuracy goes.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 26, 2015 at 10:25 AM

          What I saw in Cousins in the 2nd half is what I want to see more of in upcoming games. You can see and hear the emotion that has built up inside him after the game. I hope the game opens up for him from here on out and that he can continue play more aggressively. The scheme can’t continue to bottle up his game. Give him the whole field and let him take chances. Interceptions and other errant passes may occur but a more open game will allow him to make up for it.

        • skinsgame - Oct 26, 2015 at 12:47 PM

          Crowder has played well. Garçon has been average or as expected. Beyond those 2, who has been involved? Maybe it’s been play calls but they’ve not been a factor up to now.

        • abanig - Oct 26, 2015 at 5:01 PM

          Rewath the games and watch Cousins miss open wrs every game up until yesterday.

          Even with Cousins innacuracy before yesterday, Garcon still had a huge game against Phila. He’s been consistent in the rest of the games.

          Crowder has been catching everything thrown his way the past month since he took over for Roberts.

          1/2 of Grant’s games this year he’s caught 3 to 5 passes and that’s with being the 3rd or 4th option on most plays.

          Cousins had missed Grant, Garcon and Reed on multiple big plays and possible TD’s this season.

          Yesterday was the first day Cousins was accurate all game. If cousins is more accurate against Mia, Stl, NYG, Phila, ATL & the NYJ, Garcon has 2 more TDs, Grant has 2 more TDs and Reed has 2 more TDs.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 26, 2015 at 2:20 PM

          How can you not mention Ryan Grant? He has been open on many plays in just about every game. I’m not saying the guy is a star wide-out but he is a great 2nd or 3rd option that should have better numbers this season. Grant did drop some passes lately but he is also the victim of many off target passes in prior games. Yesterday Cousins hit Grant on stride in one of those late passes and the end result was a nice run after the catch. I think there could have been other instances of those YAC by Grant if Cousins was more accurate. However, I’m more than happy to stop looking back on Cousins and look forward to him building off this game. I just think Ryan Grant is overlooked way too often.

        • ET - Oct 26, 2015 at 5:46 PM

          Crowder has played well. Garçon has been average or as expected.

          Garçon shoulders a lot of responsibility in this offense, so if by “as expected” you mean “totally ballin’,” then yes, he’s performing as expected. Average? Thankfully not.

    • brucefan1 - Oct 26, 2015 at 2:39 PM

      From the sound of things at FedEx, I’d guess that just about everybody was frothing at halftime, naysayer and yeasayer alike! No shame in that.

      Weren’t you?!

      (Or are YOU that guy who was predicting the biggest comeback in Redskins history — instead of what was shaping up to be one of its biggest debacles? Gotta laugh!)

  12. redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 26, 2015 at 8:53 AM

    For almost two quarters yesterday, it looked like the beginning of the curtain call for the Redskins Season and possibly Cousins career here. Then finally someone on the sidelines realized to apply a basic strategy of stretching the field for Cousins. End result was a career game for Cousins that oddly enough was really a tale of two halves. Being at the game, you could easily see the transition of the game plan from the same redundant and predictable short field play calling to one that had multiple receivers going deep that gave Cousins something more to look at other than 15 yards of a field. Tampa Bay gets much of the credit for allowing this historic comeback. However, Cousins deserves the credit for being the hero yesterday.

    Oh and if Breeland had not run down Martin by coming from the other side of the field, we’d be discussing another coulda and shoulda win yesterday.

    • hail74 - Oct 26, 2015 at 10:57 AM

      I agree but can’t help but think there has to be some reason why they have restricted the passing game so much this year.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 26, 2015 at 12:48 PM

        I think the offense philosophy from the beginning was to limit sacks and maybe interceptions with a quick release passing game. Provide Cousins with the maximum options of short to intermediate routes to allow him to get the ball out as quick a possible. To stretch the field, WRs have to be able to get behind the defenders, the line has to hold protection longer, and the QB needs to be a bit more patient before releasing the ball. Maybe coaches weren’t confident in the line’s pass protection with a very young right side, or lacked confidence they had receivers minus Jackson that could get down field, or were trying to limit Cousins interceptions. Maybe it’s a combination of all three. Whatever the reason for restricting the passing game, I think it made it more difficult for Cousins and the running game. Defenses could create more traffic in coverage and load up on the running game much easier by bringing in the safeties and allowing linebackers to be more agressive.

  13. timwillhide - Oct 26, 2015 at 8:54 AM

    Last night I posted a response to a comment of I told you so on Kirk Cousins I wrote an incomplete statment which I fixed and wanted to address here since Rich called me out. I wrote

    “You have to be kidding me we are down 24-0 to the 31st ranked defense thank god they took their foot off our throat so we could catch up with some luck and win. Cousins still can’t throw down field get out of here with the I told you so against the 31st ranked defense. 3 wins”

    Here is the correction

    I meant to write 31st ranked defense in NFL Team Opponent Average Team Passer Rating and 31st in NFL Team Opponent Passing Touchdowns per Game. sometimes my mind goes faster than my writing. I should have proof read that one before posting

    Sorry if this caused any confussion

    • skinsgame - Oct 26, 2015 at 9:22 AM

      YOU LIKE THIS!!!

    • hail74 - Oct 26, 2015 at 10:55 AM

      Yes but what’s there “should’ve been an interception rating”? Jk, seriously though I get what your saying about the defense however Mariota,Brees, Newton and Bortles have been putting up some numbers on other teams as well. Team stats are fun to look at but hard to truly compare because of situational differences.

    • gasngo14 - Oct 26, 2015 at 9:03 PM

      go hide!!!

      • timwillhide - Oct 26, 2015 at 10:43 PM

        You’re a dock lol

  14. abanig - Oct 26, 2015 at 8:54 AM

    Kerrigan having surgery on his hand today. I was supposed to have a tour of Redskins park today with him and Larry Michael through a friends company but it was canceled because of Kerrigan’s hand surgery.

    • ET - Oct 26, 2015 at 5:49 PM

      Bummer. Hope you get a re-schedule.

  15. renhoekk2 - Oct 26, 2015 at 9:53 AM

    I’m already giving Cousins a pass on the NE game. If they haven’t figured out the run game in the next two weeks and they have to be one dimensional against NE, Cousins is going to struggle. Belichick has made P Manning look bad more than once. With out a running game to help Belichick will take away whatever the Skins like to do in the passing game. Anybody expecting Gruden to out coach Belichick and come up with gameplan Belichick won’t be ready for? If they don’t get some starters back on defense Brady will embarrass them.

    • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Oct 26, 2015 at 10:23 AM

      Here’s hoping the bye week lets the o.l. get healed up and Bill Callahan coaches them back up. They have to do a better job of opening holes.

      If neither Jones nor Morris can find daylight, it’s probably because there isn’t any.

    • brucefan1 - Oct 26, 2015 at 2:51 PM

      “I’m already giving Cousins a pass on the NE game”

      Join the crowd Ren. I think just about everybody will be giving Cuz (as well as the rest of the team!) a pass vs. NE.

      Now if they do manage to get a win up there, then that will be a victory TRULY worth rejoicing over! Or even if they cover the spread, maybe! (Oops…does saying that make me a “bad” fan?!! LOL)

      • JOHNNY B - Oct 26, 2015 at 3:06 PM

        All I have to say about the Patriots game is that we have to be aggressive with the offense like we did Sunday. If we play well we will be competitive. We should not be able to win that game. Anything can happen in the league.

        • brucefan1 - Oct 26, 2015 at 4:21 PM

          “Anything can happen in the league.”

          A maxim that yesterday’s game against the Buccaneers reinforces in SPADES!!

  16. berniebernard666 - Oct 26, 2015 at 10:01 AM

    “the Redskins are racists…..they hate RG3 because he is BLACK”………….

    We still hear those lines from the RACISTS. Whenever somebody says THAT, you should automatically understand that the person uttering those words is THE RACIST. I hear this discussion on the radio even after Cousins leads his 2nd game winning drive of the season, and yet nobody on the radio ever asks the callers these questions: “if the Redskins are racists, why do they play Jordan Reed? Why do they play Pierre Garcon?. Why do they play Chris Baker?…..etc etc etc”

    Yes the Washington Redskins have a racist history…of course that was back when Marshall owned the Redskins in the 50’s and that was back in ANOTHER CENTURY. The civil war was also in the century before that. Can you Racists please leave other centuries behind and come up into the 21st century with the rest of us and just accept that Cousins is a better quarterback than BOB….because its just a fact: Cousins is better.

    • brucefan1 - Oct 26, 2015 at 3:06 PM

      I don’t think those accusers are condemning the “Redskins” per se as being racists, Bernie. It seems they are talking about some within the organization, and some who cover the team as being so. (I mean even the biggest accuser can’t deny the love the OWNER has for RG3. Isn’t he, “the Redskins”?)

      I’ve even heard some accusers go so far to flip your words and say that any person who does NOT utter those words is THE RACIST!

      Not that they are in anyway right! I think they are just grasping at straws trying to explain the vastly different manner in which Jay coddles Cousins versus the way he excoriated Griffin.

      (But I think we’ve argued all sides and possibilities of that topic here at length already, and gotten it squared away, right? IMHO they shoulda read OUR comments before making any wild accusations. ;^} )

  17. goback2rfk - Oct 26, 2015 at 10:10 AM

    I was all over Kirk. I called for Colt McCoy and Rob to start over him this game. I also said he is one of the worst QB’s in the league. I must say he fired one hell of a game and must give him props. He was a big part of winning that game and I like his 4th quarter play. He has poise and plays strong late in games which is a good sign. Good job Captain Kirk. The Spartan Legend still lives.

  18. bangkokben - Oct 26, 2015 at 10:43 AM

    Spam. Spam. Spam. Spam!

    • bangkokben - Oct 26, 2015 at 10:44 AM

      You have got to be kidding me?!

      • brucefan1 - Oct 26, 2015 at 3:08 PM

        Ya think?! :^}

  19. fwhalstead1 - Oct 26, 2015 at 11:41 AM

    I continue to be amazed by some of the fan base here! I keep seeing all of these NEGATIVE posts after a HISTORIC win and a HISTORIC day by the QB…you guys pass it off as “Oh, it was just the Bucs” What in the world is wrong with some of you? What makes any of you think that this team can just go out and beat anybody and beat bad teams by 20 points? Look I’ve said since the beginning of this season and i’ll say it again – at best this ROSTER will only support 6 wins even fully healthy…you’ve got a 1st year GM who is building a roster that was totally ravaged by mismanagement for several years. You’ve got basically a 2nd year QB (yes I know he’s been in the league 4 years but experience wise in game situations he’s a 2nd year player) who is playing with NO RUN GAME, a HORRID defense, and NO DEEP threat. You add in the fact that this team is DECIMATED by injuries whereby 8 projected starters from the final 53 man roster are not playing, plus a 2nd year head coach. Hell in most cases that would be a recipe for a 1 and 15 or 2 and 14 season, yet this team came back from 24 points down, did not fold, and has not QUIT once in a game all year. I’d like to suggest that this is a GOOD base on a REBUILDING team that is at least 2 good drafts away from being a very good playoff team. So, sit back and relax! Enjoy wins like yesterdays and be prepared for a few ugly losses as well. This is what REBUILDING YOUNG teams look like. And for goodness sake STOP IT already with the bashing of the QB. Get behind him as he continues to grow and develop. He’s gonna play all 16 games this year barring injury and Robert is not going to play. Hopefully Robert is learning while sitting and can resurrect his career as a TRUE NFL QB. I love Robert and wish him the best. I’d like to see him renegotiate and stay with the Skins. By the way..the way the team continues to play hard Jay Gruden will be here for awhile as well, and he should be if for no other reason than to provide STABILITY on a REBUILDING team. So if you’re a TRUE fan of the TEAM stay the course and enjoy the ride. if you’re a fan of a particular PLAYER and wish nothing but FAILURE for another PLAYER at the expense of wins and the TEAM I’d suggest that there are 31 other teams in the NFL you can cheer for. 48 years a fan and I’m all in for the rebuild and the roller coaster ride that comes with it! HTTR!

    • colmac69 - Oct 26, 2015 at 2:04 PM

      That’s one of the best posts I have read in ages

      Agree entirely but unfortunately some on here just don’t get big picture

    • gasngo14 - Oct 26, 2015 at 2:10 PM



    • smotion55 - Oct 26, 2015 at 2:55 PM

      That is exactly what I have been saying all year in bits and pieces.It is nice to read a good and truthful comment. For Cousins, 2 winning drives and 1 tying drive at the end of games 3 out of last 4 games. He is getting better, the only thing I would change is Robert. For both sides of that it would be best for all that he get a fresh start somewhere else. The pay cut he would have to take would be more then his ego could allow.He will only be a fragile backup 1 hit away from retirement anyway. Just not worth the risk for me.

    • brucefan1 - Oct 26, 2015 at 3:18 PM

      GREAT COMEBACK! (Just kinda wish they never give themselves so much to come back FROM again!!!)

      I hope that yesterday’s game goes down as the TURNING POINT of the 2015 season — not the HIGHLIGHT of it!

      • bangkokben - Oct 26, 2015 at 6:45 PM

        So true. Perhaps all those seasons of greatness – and all those seasons of putridity – have prevented such a record from being broken. Shall we rejoice? Have we reached mediocrity?

    • brucefan1 - Oct 26, 2015 at 3:27 PM

      “if you’re a fan of a particular PLAYER and wish nothing but FAILURE for another PLAYER at the expense of wins and the TEAM I’d suggest that there are 31 other teams in the NFL you can cheer for”.

      Wait! Are you directing that comment to the fans of Cousins or the fans of Griffin — because that statement could easily apply to either of those factions over the past couple years?

      (Btw, how many other teams have “factions” when it comes to their QBs these days? Any? I remember Billy v. Sonny, back in the day. Craig Morton v. Roger Staubach, maybe?? Any others? My memory is slipping.)

      • hail74 - Oct 26, 2015 at 4:52 PM

        Here in Cleveland fans were calling for manziel until McCown had 2 great games and manziel had 2 Monday afternoon beers.

        • brucefan1 - Oct 26, 2015 at 6:26 PM

          At least Jonny got a couple beers outta the deal!

      • fwhalstead1 - Oct 27, 2015 at 4:47 PM

        I was directing it at BOTH Kirk and Robert FANS!!!! Sick of these so called “Redskins” fans who are not really team fans at all….I’ve been a fan long enough and lived long enough to actually remember the Billy-Sonny controversy, this is ten times worse…I just want Redskins Nation back to KNOWLEDGEABLE TEAM FANS who can remove emotion and dissect things for what they truly are…so again I am redskins FAN, I could care less about any particular player honestly. My post said it all. Any true fan would know what this team has been through, what shape the roster is in, and be intelligent enough to be able to predict how good a team is without having to rely on media hype. It is what it is man and I salute all REDSKINS fans but I am so over the PLAYER fans. Objectivity escapes quite a few people because they can’t remove emotion long enough to let their analytical skills kick in. All in for the rebuild under this competent GM, the glory and the pain, and HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!!!!!

        • abanig - Oct 27, 2015 at 7:14 PM

          Right, and we’re supposed to act like his is any different than Sonny vs Billy, Jay vs Doug, Heath vs Gus, Ramsey vs Brunnell, Campbell vs Collins or McNabb vs Grossman?

          The truth is those who want RG3 to play do want what they feel is best for the team.

          Until Robert is gone, they’re going to believe he should play and they’re going to believe he should have been given this season to prove himself – one last time – NOT Kirk.

          Everyone who wants Robert to be starting now will come around on Kirk if/when Kirk starts leading this team to a winning record and a possible playoff appearance.

          I feel it’s coming, there will be a switch that is flicked but Kirk is going to have to have more than one good game and then a bad game. He’s going to have to string together multiple games in a row where he mostly makes the right decisions and doesn’t throw multiple interceptions.

  20. greed - Oct 26, 2015 at 2:18 PM

    the BIG PICTURE is skins not playing the bucs and eagles at home every week. Did anyone happen to hear LOVIE SMITH comments comin out after halftime? He said we gonna continue to press the line to stuff the run to make them put the ball in the air so we can get more turnovers! This is what opposing teams think and see from kirk and this was a bad team talking that

    • gasngo14 - Oct 26, 2015 at 3:03 PM

      It’s too bad Robert isn’t playing ….HA!

    • hail74 - Oct 26, 2015 at 4:48 PM

      Man greed why do you even watch the games if you can’t enjoy any aspect of them?

      • greed - Oct 26, 2015 at 7:55 PM

        Because man ive been watching this same bad show for 24 yrs now , every yr im charlie brown trying to kick the football and every year pep patty pulls it away well not this year , get bk to me at when regular season over them ill tell you if we actually making positive steps cause right now it feels like someone bait me to run and try to kick! And brucefan1 if your reading you alright with me bro quite entertaining

        • brucefan1 - Oct 26, 2015 at 10:25 PM

          I’m reading! I’m reading, bro!

          (And, by Jove, I think I’m getting the hang of you!!)

    • bangkokben - Oct 26, 2015 at 8:30 PM

      When the Redskin’s made a miraculous comeback against the Denver Broncos and buttwhipped Jon Elway and his boys, did someone tell you, “It’s just the Broncos, they always lose the Super Bowl.” ????
      Remind me to leave you home on sunny days, when trick-or-treating, and victory parades.

      Geez. There is no I in TEAM. You don’t put one guy above THE 53. At least Robert shows class! Did you see him shake hands with the coach in the final seconds? Now let me leave you with a quote from my favorite cartoon – Fat Albert. “Rudy, you’re like school in the summer; NO CLASS!”

      • brucefan1 - Oct 26, 2015 at 10:34 PM

        Haha … I think you could have made your point a little stronger, Ben, if you had compared yesterday’s win to something other than winning a Super Bowl, and whipping Elway, et al.

        I mean, don’t get me wrong — yesterday was GOOD, but…..


        • bangkokben - Oct 27, 2015 at 8:24 AM

          Fair point, Bruce. The idea wasn’t to compare the two games per se as much as it was to delve into the backstory of greed’s cynicism. Of course, he had answered this earlier but the spam folders release when they release…

        • brucefan1 - Oct 27, 2015 at 11:10 AM

          ” but the spam folders release when they release…”

          True. LOL (but they do add a flair of mystery to the proceedings, no?😜)

  21. John - Oct 26, 2015 at 4:01 PM

    Kirk can do it. Just give him a full season of starts so he can work out the rough spots in his game. Before he came in and played a few games but in the past quarterbacks got the hook when things did not go well like last year. Let him play and experience the ups and downs and learn from them.
    He is on his way to becoming the real deal. Everyone has been to busy crying because they remember 2012 and think this team is ready to win like that. 2012 was an aberration. I would not expect to much in the short term. 7 wins this year. Give Kirk this season and next and down the road it will all come together. Think long term.
    For those that think RG3 should start, RG3 was a flash in the pan.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 26, 2015 at 4:48 PM

      I don’t know if I’ve seen you comment before. So IF you only showed up after Cousins plays his best game of his career to make those comments then you have no credibility. So a how 2012 season was an aberration but one great game by a QB that was struggling is not?

      • hail74 - Oct 26, 2015 at 6:36 PM

        Why call out a poster just because your unsure if he’s been here before? Who cares? 2012 was an aberration because the years surrounding it didn’t share in its success. It also featured some pathetic games early with the team going 3-6. Was this Cousins best game? Does he need to prove he can do it more than just occasionally? Absolutely, but maybe that means he’s getting better. It’s also the third time this season that the team has rallied late when prior teams would’ve folded and he’s directing those comebacks. Even if we lose the next two games we’re still on pace for that one winning season in a sea of losing ones.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 27, 2015 at 9:39 AM

          I called him out for calling 2012 an aberration yet Kirk was struggling before putting up a historic half is something WE FANS should see Cousins as the REAL DEAL!

      • gasngo14 - Oct 26, 2015 at 7:38 PM

        Way to welcome a new comer…coming from you is not surprising anyways!

        • squawonthewarpath - Oct 26, 2015 at 11:21 PM

          John must have missed the memo that people are only allowed to show up and bash Cousin’s after a loss.

      • John - Oct 27, 2015 at 10:58 AM

        I’ve commented previously. Perhaps you missed it? Regarding 2012 being an aberration, what has the team accomplished to any degree since the winning 1980s? Playoffs in 1999, 2005, 2007 and 2012. All the other seasons, they sucked. This coming from a lifelong skins fan.

        I pointed out that Cousins has done both good and bad with specifics and what he needs to work on (footwork) and what Gruden could do to help out (up tempo) among other things. Kirk is doing good things but is still a work in progress. He makes mistakes but for the most part keeps them in games, without a running game and a defense that can’t seem to stop anyone of late. He’s playing because Robert has not progressed. Robert would do fine in a read option offense but every other team schemes against that now and Robert won’t be the athlete to make it work. In any case, the read option has gone the way of the wildcat. Both are now wrinkles. The players are not behind Robert. McCoy based on his Cleveland days having been replaced by Weeden who is now in Dallas, Colt has been found wanting. He lacks the arm for the pros. He is a career backup at best. If the team was not behind Kirk, you would be hearing it from “anonymous sources” during the week, week in and week out which is not the case. If only the media and the armchair quarterbacksstay qudiet. Like Gruden said, he’s a young quarterback (in terms of games played) and will have highs and lows and its all a matter of how he deals with it. Changing quarterbacks eerk in and week out won’t fix this teams woes. Drafting a new quarterback next year is no guarantee either. There have been plenty of quarterbacks drafted who have been busts. As I’ve said all along, it takes regular playing time for a young quarterback to get comfortable so the game slows down for him. Kirk is playing well for the most part. The team is not going to win more than 7 games, with any luck this year. So let him grow this year and next and fill in the pieces around him, then if he fails replace him.

  22. brucefan1 - Oct 26, 2015 at 5:27 PM

    “you only showed up after Cousins plays his best game of his career”

    Ya hafta expect a lot of that on a day like this. It’s people’s time to crow, and say “I told ya so” (if I’d actually had had the chutzpah to say “I told ya so” prior to today, that is. ;^}) It’s just human nature. We all do it, no?

    Here’s another one I love — in response to the heavy booing at halftime changing to cheers in the 3rd quarter; “Well where’s your booing NOW?! Why ain’t ya booing NOW?” Like some people don’t get it that booing is a result of poor play (especially when it follows lotsa other recent poor play). Cheering is a byproduct of GOOD play (especially unexpected good play!). It’s like if you’ve done one, you are then not allowed to do the other!!

    Haha! Gotta love it!

    • goback2rfk - Oct 26, 2015 at 6:42 PM

      I booo’d like crazy and posted a nasty message at half time. I must admit I gave the Skins 0% chance of winning that game in the 2nd half. However, they did something they have never done and pulled out a huge come from behind victory. I hope they keep doing things to surprise me in a good way. However, the 1st half booooo’s were coming from a fan base that has not had much to cheer about in a very long time. I truly believe the booo’s were warranted and totally agree with boooing the team when it is deserved.
      Its better than wearing the paper bags over your head to the game!

      • brucefan1 - Oct 26, 2015 at 10:41 PM

        Even worse, wearing one in your head while watching at home!

        • brucefan1 - Oct 26, 2015 at 11:01 PM

          Or ON your head, too!! LOL

          (“In your head”?? Would that make it imaginary?)

  23. Knorway - Oct 26, 2015 at 7:10 PM

    I’m extremely happy with the win, but I feel it was a lucky win. Take away some of the Bucs penalties, and we would have lost the game. The stats look great for Kirk Cousins, but still not convinced until he has a few more games in a row with good performances. The o-line are great at pass protection, but seems to struggle with run blocking. But hey, I’ll take a win anytime 😀

    • John - Oct 28, 2015 at 1:10 AM

      Truth be told, the running game and defense are a disaster at present. Alfred looks as though he forgot howto run . The defense has not stopped the run since the Eagles game. They have not been effective against the pass either. They can’t be tired if they rotate players regularly. The special teams except for the kicker are an accident waiting to happen, yet everyone wants to point the finger at Kirk if they lose. Really? Give the guy a break. He’s still learning by playing. Sure he has been here 4 years but played oonly 15 games of any significance. He throws an interception from time to time but what quarterback doesn’t? Peyton currently has more but has a better team around him. Cousins is the one quarterback on the roster that gives the team a chance to win. Based on the remaining schedule, winnable games include Buffalo, Chicago, Dallas (1 of 2), Saints or Giants. They are not going to the playoffs regardless of who plays qb for them this season. So the best thing to do is stick with Kirk and let them take their lumps and learn and grow to be better next year. Changing Kirk for Robert or Colt would just repeat the same vicious cycle that’s happened in previous years. Do we really want that?

      • abanig - Oct 28, 2015 at 4:42 AM

        Yeah. Not feeling sorry for Kirk. Robert was blamed for everything by most the last two years.

        A lot of people sound really hypocritical when they loved blaming Robert but hate it when people blame Kirk, even if it is the truth.

        I’ve said for 5 years Mike Shanahan built a lousy product after the Gibbs/Cerrato team from 04-07 got old.

        We’re still rebuilding because Shanahan couldn’t get the job done. The team around Robert in 2012 wasn’t very good, Robert and Alfred just played great that year as rookies and led the Redskins to a division championship.

        Kirk getting blamed for loses comes with the territory as an NFL qb, especially in this town.

        • John - Oct 28, 2015 at 11:03 AM

          Robert and Alfred were great in 2012 because the read option that Kyle devised did not require Robert to do a lot. In addition it worked for Alfred because he fits the zone/stretch running game.

          Fast forward to 2013, Robert fancied himself a pocket passer and did not want to do the read option anymore. All well and good but he had not played in a structured offense like that in college. The style of offense at Baylor is referred to as sandlot football. That does not work in the pros because of the speed of the defenders. In any case, Robert has not developed. He takes the snap, does not make reads, hesitates, then takes off, leaving the line clueless as to where Robert is and hence the sacks.

          In Kirk’s defense, he does make some mistakes here and other but much of that can be corrected by working on his footwork and just playing week in and week out. The things he does well are getting everything lined up to avoid having to take unnecessary timeouts, he sees the field, moves well in the pocket and quick release. He also is good at the hard count and double counts. He could run some more but that will come eventually.

          For those that say he checks down all the time, their wrong. In a west coast offense, short passes equal runs. Not having Jackson has allowed opposing safeties to move in and help clog up the running game and tighter gaps between the linebackers and safeties in zone. You don’t have to believe me, listen to Cooley’s film breakdown on Tuesdays at 5pm on ESPN 980. If you get the app, you can listen to it on demand.

        • abanig - Oct 28, 2015 at 11:28 AM

          I listen to Cooley every week. Even Cooley says that Kirk has given up on some longer developing routes in favor of shorter passes throughout the season. He’s missed on a few big plays because of this. In the first few weeks he missed Ryan Grant on a few possible big gainers and he threw behind receivers when if he hadn’t they may have been close to TDs.

          It’s pretty obvious when you watch the games.

          Last game was the best game I’ve seen Kirk play ever. Cooley said yesterday that Kirk still missed a few possible big plays, I think in the first half.

          I don’t expect anyone to be perfect so I don’t expect Kirk to be. I think he’s starting to play better and getting into a rythm which will be great for when Djax comes back.

  24. brucefan1 - Oct 26, 2015 at 10:58 PM

    I think just about every Redskin fan agrees with you Knorway (Hope I’m saying that right, with the “K” silent. Pardon me if I’m wrong.), at least deep down inside.

    But when you think about it, a buncha NFL games every week are won by the “lucky” team, not the better team! (And once in a while by the crazy, STOOPIT lucky team!) The Skins have had more than their share of bad luck the last couple … decades — it’s nice to be on the other side for a change!

    Tell ya what though, when they start winning games like that against the GOOD teams, we’ll know they have finally arrived!

    • goback2rfk - Oct 26, 2015 at 11:14 PM

      Next up the Patriots. I am sure everyone has given them a 0% chance of going to Foxborough and defeating pretty boy fashion guru Tom Brady. Could it be? Is it possible? I don’t know but we will see. Hopefully, they keep it close and at least have a chance in the end. This is Gruden’s chance to release his inner Bill Belichek.
      Lets see what kind of game plan the inexperienced Head Coach Jay Gruden can come up with in a couple weeks.

      • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Oct 27, 2015 at 12:51 AM

        Love to see DeSean finally make it back. Give the opposing D something to worry about besides stuffing the run.
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