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Need to Know: Was Cousins’ self critique tough enough?

Oct 22, 2015, 5:20 AM EDT


Here is what you need to know on this Thursday, October 22, three days before the Washington Redskins host the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Read and react

Some quotes from around Redskins Park on Wednesday and my comments on them.

Trent Williams on if he needs to be a more vocal leader as this critical game approaches:

“We’re all grown men. I don’t think I have to sit here and urge people to do better. So, no, I don’t feel like I have to tell anybody anything . . . If I need to say something, of course I’ll say something.”

Reaction: Since London Fletcher left, the Redskins haven’t really had a vocal leader. Williams is fine as a team captain but he is who he is and he’s not the kind of guy who is going to correct mistakes or demand that a play in practice be redone because it wasn’t right the first time. On defense, Dashon Goldson isn’t that guy either. Special teams captain Tress Way certainly isn’t. It will be interesting to see if Scot McCloughan puts an emphasis on acquiring a strong leader this offseason.

Colt McCoy was asked about the possibility that he could be thrust into the starting quarterback role if Kirk Cousins continues to struggle:

The most important thing–let’s not make this about quarterbacks here–the most important thing for us is to go out and find a way to win this week. This is a winnable game, at home, and it’s huge for us to find a way to get this thing done and go into our bye week feeling OK, feeling like we can come back and get back in the race. It’s not about quarterbacks, it’s not about anything other than this whole team rallying around each other and finding a way to win this week.

Reaction: I am always up for a quarterback discussion or even an controversy. But sometimes fans and all too many people in my line of work just make too much out of it. Barring an injury, at this moment McCoy isn’t all that much closer to becoming the Redskins’ starting quarterback than I am. When the team rushes for 34 yards and your defense allows 221 and you lose, quarterback is far from your biggest problem. Things can always change but the team is not on the verge of making a change and McCoy knows it.

Jay Gruden on the importance of Sunday’s game:

Well, it’s big. Obviously, I made that point pretty clear to everybody and I know it’s big for them. Every game should be treated like that. You only get 16 of these things. They’re all equally as important, but when you’re 2-4 and you’re getting pushed into the corner a little bit, I think there comes a point in time where you’ve got to really fight. That’s where we are right now. We are getting backed into a corner right now and I hope our guys come out swinging. I know they will. I know I will.

Reaction: A coach has to be careful when he says that one game is more important than the other 15, especially before December. But Gruden is right to put this one on another level. They just can’t lose to Tampa Bay at home for a second straight year. Yes, the Bucs are better than they were last year but if the Redskins have improved at all over last year they have to win this winnable game.

Kirk Cousins talking about his performance in the Jets game:

“I don’t think it was a great performance. You know, it was a lot of different reasons, a lot of different things going on, but it wasn’t what we wanted. We’re better than that and we will be better than that going forward. I do want to credit the Jets. They had a good plan and they have great players and a really good team. They’re 4-1 for a reason. We certainly ran into a good challenge. We can be much better and we will be much better going forward.”

Reaction: I’m sure that the many Cousins detractors out there won’t think that Cousins is beating himself up here nearly as badly as he should. Some will think he should channel Jim Zorn and call himself “the worst quarterback in America”. But this is perfectly appropriate to say at a news conference, the right blend of taking responsibility, tipping his cap to the opposition, and being optimistic about the future.


Today’s schedule: Practice 11:40; Jay Gruden and Joe Barry news conferences and player availability after practice, approx. 1:30

Days until: Bucs @ Redskins 3; Redskins @ Patriots 17; Saints @ Redskins 23

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  1. colmac69 - Oct 22, 2015 at 5:39 AM

    Gruden backed himself into a corner when he was so public with his criticism of rgiii last yr after tb game

    Anything he says about cousins is going to be deemed that he treating him differently to rgiii regardless what gets said and how it comes across

    This yr gruden bn more guarded in his comments about everything (way it should be)…he was positive about rgiii all pre season and he staying positive with cousins (for all we know he could be calling out cousins in private)…we fans can only speculate as we have no idea what is actually happening (although if u read some people comments on here you would think they got keys to redskin park with insiders all over place)

    Focus has to be tampa game….cousins will b under scrutiny from word go but I’m curious to see how our defense reacts to two games where they bn getting gashed for nearly 400 yrds on ground…gd thing is they bn getting turnovers which has bn concern for few yrs

    • gasngo14 - Oct 22, 2015 at 8:30 AM

      well said I agree!!

    • sidepull - Oct 22, 2015 at 9:26 AM

      Agree Colmac69. As fan when I witnessed the dress down, unfiltered assessment of Rg3 it was definitely different then what I here from NFL coaches in the post game interviews. It was in a way refreshing to hear “brutal” honesty from the coach after listening to Shanahan lie all the time. It seems this year he has gone out of his way to be less scathing in his public appearances when asked about player performance almost to the point now that I don’t believe what he is saying. I have not quit made up my mind what I prefer, brutal honesty ( doesnt mean he s right) or the company line to help smooth relations with players. He clearly is not trying to ruffle feathers. I agree we have no idea what is said in his office or the locker room but i bet its a bit more direct and to the point.

    • greed - Oct 22, 2015 at 10:10 AM

      IMO issuing a code red thru the media is dangerous what if the team comes out flat and looses now the world will be saying gruden has lost the team the players not responding to him remember shanny issued same type statement in 2012 then skins went out and lost to panthers , they went on the win streak in part of shanny stating at 3-6 the season was over and he would start to look at younger players that irritated alot of players and the team seemed to band together to spite his comments/as for Gruden he shouldve issue the code red inhouse and said to the media that this is a game we need to win to keep up in race for division / if there was any game he shouldve issued a message thru the media it was after the eagles game skins played a sloppy undisciplined game had to pull out a last second win against an injury riddled underachieving struggling eagles team blew 13 pt lead at home instead of sayin glad to win but they way we played today was unacceptable we cant perform at this level an expect to be good

    • greed - Oct 22, 2015 at 10:21 AM

      instead he comes out upbeat with his chest poked out cracking jokes with the media about how great his play calling was on the winning drive/ the team takes on personality of headcoach and that was his response it was a perfect oppurtunity to demand better from his team instead he was more worried about appeasing the media with funny oneliners /do u see da hoody cracking jokes after games where his team played baddly sloppy and barely one against lesser talent, m mcarthy , harbaugh, tomlin, coughflin, peyton fail to send that message

    • Skulb - Oct 22, 2015 at 2:32 PM

      The two situations were not identical and it is getting tiring that people pretend they were. RGIII decided to evaluate the entire team in front of the media before anyone had even studied the tape. His conclusion was that the entire team was to blame for the Tampa game. He was worse in that game than Cousins has ever been and seemed completely oblivious to it. Facing this Gruden lost his temper and flared on Griffin in the presser.
      Nothing even remotely like this is happening with Cousins now. Kirk usually takes the blame himself if they lose, whether it was his fault or not, and praises the team when they win, just like every other QB in the NFL except Griffin. Just stop it with this equating of two completely different situations.

    • brucefan1 - Oct 22, 2015 at 3:32 PM

      “he was positive about rgiii all pre season”

      Where have you been, colmac, under a rock? Jay was LYING about “rgiii” all preseason. He admitted himself that it was all a sham in order to mask his desire to clandestinely choose the guy he really wanted, while diverting the heat over making that decision.

      He gave Griffin about, what, 20(?) plays to prove himself this preseason, and then pulled the rug completely out under him with first excuse he could come by.

      (But then, excuses were kinda superfluous anyway, because, like a dunce, he blew up his own spot by admitting to his duplicity in a subsequent press conference! LOL! All I could think of after that admission was when Krusty the Clown said after a similar gaffe, “Uh-oh! I said the quite part LOUD, and the loud part QUIET!”)

      So don’t be naive enough to put any stock in Gru’s being “nice” to Griffin prior to sending him to THIRD STRING. It was just a …hmmm, what would they call it in Game of Thrones? … a “mummers’ farce”!

      • colmac69 - Oct 22, 2015 at 5:23 PM

        You got your opinion I got mine which is fair enough

        • brucefan1 - Oct 22, 2015 at 7:16 PM

          Fair enough, 69!

          (But at least my opinion is backed by a some facts; mainly that Gru admitted he LIED about it being his plan to have Griffin be his starting QB when the season began, and that previously publicly proclaiming it so had been nuthin but some smoke screen, blown out in order to keep the media and fans off his back! Howz that media circus workin’ out for him NOW I wonder? Because one monkey wrench in the works was that he forgot to get Cousins to cooperate with his grand plan. LOL )

        • gasngo14 - Oct 22, 2015 at 8:37 PM

          HEY Bruce i thought you were a Jets fan?

  2. colorofmyskinz - Oct 22, 2015 at 6:14 AM

    OK I have a huge level of concern about McCoy’s comments, “this is a winnable game at home”. What makes him think that this is going to be any easier of a game than any of the others? If everybody on the team is thinking the same thing they’re thinking wrong!!

    We have proven to ourselves that the first half play we have generated just flat out does not matter. Unless we want to add 21 points to our first half scoring average. What we need to be hearing from every single person on this team from Snyder all the way down to the Waterboy is this is a four quarter game and every quarter counts no matter who the opponent is.

    I would rather hear everybody on the team singing the same tune that this is a 4 quater game and every quarter counts and we are coming to FedEx to play every single quarter like it is the only quarter of the game.

    Instead we hear Trent Williams Saying we are all grown men. We have Colts saying this is a winnable game at home. Kirk saying we’re better than that. Not a single person talking about how every quarter is it’s own game. And we’re gonna play this like the last game of the year.

    I think this team thinks they already won this game and they’re going to be damn shocked unless they come out to play 4 quarters.

    If this coaching squad was worth their salt everyone of these interviews the players and coaches would’ve said the same damn thing. I am not hearing it and I have a high level of concern about this game.

    The 3rd quarter will tell the end result unless we are up by 28 points at halftime. Even that amount up I would still be concerned at half.

    • colorofmyskinz - Oct 22, 2015 at 6:31 AM

      20-3… New England vs Jacksonville at half. Did they think this was a winnable game? They put up 17 in the third and 14 in the fourth. Did they let off the gas? They play every quarter like the super bowl regardless of the game score.

      • skinsgame - Oct 22, 2015 at 8:31 AM

        Using the Patriots as a barometer is just irrational. The situations are two different things, obviously. One team has a seasoned head coach that had Tom Brady fall into his lap and the other is a rebuilding team with a fledgling coach. It’s one thing to hope to mimic their success, it’s another to compare your results directly to theirs.

        • colorofmyskinz - Oct 22, 2015 at 9:14 AM

          It’s a comparison about difference in attitude. Attitude costs nothing! And you don’t have to draft it. All you have to do is influence people to believe it. My point was that even when they play bad teams, they don’t let off the gas. We however, think if we are up we can take it easy. Coast. They play every quarter of every game regardless of opponent. We do not. Attitude comparison is not irrational, frankly it is free and a personal choice everyday.

        • skinsgame - Oct 22, 2015 at 10:44 PM

          Well then compare it to score in a Cleveland Browns game in Belichicks 2nd season there. Attitude like the Patriots have now took a decade to develop.

    • mr.moneylover - Oct 22, 2015 at 10:11 AM

      Maybe colt mccoy saying kirk cousins gonna go out there and lose a winnable game maybe hes saying hes a better QB to go get the job done…ppl say ohh colt mccoy not better then kirk cousins and I disagree completely because if you ask colt mccoy to be a game manager he will do a better job then kirk cousins he can move the ball without turning the ball over plus he can read the defense better then kirk cousins…all they asking kirk cousins to do is be a game manager and he still find away to turn the ball over you dont really gotta worry about that with colt mccoy if colt mccoy throw a INT hes the kind of guy that will move the ball down the field twice to score just to make up for the INT he thrown kirk cousins dont have that kind of mind set witch is why I said its just a matter of time before kirk cousins start bein kirk cousins again…and jay gruden is the most stupidest coach to risk losing his job for kirk cousins all because he played well against second and third stringers smdh ….if you dont go with the franchise QB always go with the vet QB who got you two back to back wins last year why? Cause that can buy you another year as bein the head coach

      • boysheadcoach - Oct 22, 2015 at 10:52 AM

        QB bad, Coach Bad………………. yadda, yadda, yadda. Is this all you got? That’s your “A” game Money? Do you see any of the good stuff going on? Do you actually think changing the coach (WHO) or the QB (WHO) is going to make this a 10-6 team this year? Really? Did you just start watching NFL football like last summer?
        And remember…………..Punctuation, it’s a wonderful communication skill!

        • skinsgame - Oct 22, 2015 at 10:53 PM

          There is a huge contingent in here that will not see anything good. Incidentally, each think the answer is to fire the head coach and switch QB’s. (If you didn’t know already)

        • abanig - Oct 23, 2015 at 7:22 AM

          The firing of the HC and switching qbs is inevitable. Whether that’s this season or our best season – the offseason!

        • skinsgame - Oct 23, 2015 at 7:38 AM

          I’m hoping not.

    • bangkokben - Oct 22, 2015 at 10:14 AM

      Once again you are complaining to just to complain. Is McCoy supposed to be shaking in his boots? Is he supposed to wet the bed because the Buccaneers are in town. He said: “The most important thing for us is to go out and find a way to win this week.” AND “it’s not about anything other than this whole team rallying around each other and finding a way to win this week.”

      So what’s wrong with that attitude? Excuse him if he didn’t mention the 3rd quarter but it certainly seems implied.

    • ET - Oct 22, 2015 at 10:52 AM

      I’m not sure what the issue is here. McCoy sounded entirely reasonable and rational to me. He’s not operating on the Belicheck/Brady level of “never say anything notable,” but McCoy certainly wasn’t being cocky or brash, either.

  3. troylok - Oct 22, 2015 at 6:33 AM

    Yes, one game is more important than others – it’s called the next game. Players should be going into every week believing they need to bleed on the field to get that win. This is a winning attitude. Gruden doesn’t get that. If you read Gruden’s comments last week and compared them to Todd Bowles’ comments, you couldn’t find a greater contrast in coaches.

    • gasngo14 - Oct 22, 2015 at 8:13 AM

      So are you saying you have noticed lack of effort from the players? By no means am I saying Gruden is the answer. I will say I haven’t seen this type of play (physical and hungry) in some time. We have had some young guys step up and play well when called on (learning on the job) this tells me they BELIEVE?? Not sure what you are getting at?

  4. kenlinkins - Oct 22, 2015 at 6:51 AM

    Any “Critique” of Cousin’s one week play really doesn’t matter at this point. Head Coach Gruden has picked Cousins as his “Debry Horse” for 2015 and will ride him until his job is taken away. The new GM has no problem with this plan as it allows him the tape to see what he has in Cousins and what his value is to the Redskins in 2016. McCoy understands that he is the short term answer at Back Up QB and RG3 is gone sometime after the trading dead line but before March. This all set up very nicely for the new GM as he is not on the hook for any of the above, but both Cousins and Gruden are. If the combo of Gruden and Cousins can not beat Tampa Bay this week many Redskins fans are going to spend the Bye Week warming up the Draft Simulators and reviewing just who might be the Redskins next head Coach. IMO it is later than coach Gruden understands and he can try and “soft soap” the QB play week by week, but once the Redskins fan base has turned against his hand picked QB all bets are off. Head Coach Gruden still doesn’t understand just how bad it is going to get around Redskins Park if the Redskins at 2-7 this year!

    • colorofmyskinz - Oct 22, 2015 at 7:17 AM

      Yep I see 2-7 very likely. And that will complete the cycle that we know as Redskin fans and we will begin the 15th rebuild of this team in the last 20 years.

    • colorofmyskinz - Oct 22, 2015 at 7:26 AM

      We have been 3-6 the last 3 years. I give a 99% chance with 100% confidence we will be 3-6 after game 9, 4 years in a row. And we have a very high likelihood of seeing two and seven, worse than we have been in the last three years

      • ET - Oct 22, 2015 at 11:01 AM

        You may be right.

        Even if you’re wrong, the Skins certainly aren’t going to set the world afire. Regardless, it’s a better, more spirited team this year—though the record might not reflect it by year’s end.

    • gasngo14 - Oct 22, 2015 at 7:28 AM

      I agree to a point, but would not necessarily say “Gruden hand picked his QB” and one cannot say for certain this has not been a group decision on who was named the starter for 2015.

      ” The new GM has no problem with this plan as it allows him the tape to see what he has in Cousins and what his value is to the Redskins in 2016. ”

      Why is this not a group effort, when Scot just said recently…

      ” “The thing that’s important to me is that we can have disagreements or arguments about the players, the 53 [-man roster], the draft, free agency. But when it’s all said and done, we all take ownership together and understand that we’re going to have good days and bad days. But if we stay together, there’ll be a lot less bad days. A lot less.”

      IMO they need to find out what they have as a group or ” together” and it’s with every player at all positions, this was never a year in which anyone expected a serous run at the playoffs was it?

      I just don’t understand why so many fans are trying so hard to make this into a Scot vs Gruden affair? Especially after Scot’s recent comment on how important it is to work “together” through thick and thin and keeping some Stability (something we haven’t had in 2 decades of losing) with the staff as a whole ?


    • colorofmyskinz - Oct 22, 2015 at 7:43 AM

      Experts are already calling our loss to Tampa as one of the greatest upsets of the week. I hope the skins come ready to play like it is NE, because Tampa is not going to roll over and let us scratch their belly. If we lose this game skins fans need to boycott home game tickets a put Snyder out of business.

      • Stephfan - Oct 22, 2015 at 7:52 AM

        Color it’s not Snyder’s fault that the coach is calling bad plays, can’t coach, mAke adjustments, etc. it’s also not his fault that cousins has thrown ints in almost every game he has played in this season. So boycotting won’t do anything to help this season

      • gasngo14 - Oct 22, 2015 at 9:20 AM

        WOW really? …geeezz

        ” Experts are already calling our loss to Tampa as one of the greatest upsets of the week.”

        Whats so great about two horrible teams playing each other? One of them gets a win? lol!


    • sidepull - Oct 22, 2015 at 9:12 AM

      Except Gruden didnt “hand pick” his QB. Neither did Scot. Neither had anything to do with Rg3 or Cousins. Those Qbs were on the roster and in the system already and they were not the ones to make the decision. Both of them were hired by the Redskins and had to deal with what was on board at the time. I would bet if they had the chance to get their “own” QB it wouldn’t look like Cousins or Rg3.

      • kenlinkins - Oct 22, 2015 at 10:31 AM

        Interesting and true, but I wonder if the Head Coach can use that to keep from being fired if the Redskins fall off the cliff again with him at the controls. The new GM must have a number of wins in mind with his first roster and if Gruden doesn’t reach it (or even come close) will the fact that Gruden never had a chance to pick a QB save him (seeing how most fans think he was hired to free RG3’s talents from the evil coach Shanahan).

    • mr.moneylover - Oct 22, 2015 at 10:27 AM

      I dont think rg3 getting traded the vibe many ppl and the media got is that scot m. Really likes rg3 and could get resign for a one year bargain deal this year is kind of giving rg3 more time to learn the game better instead sending him out there when hes not really good at ready defense yet…scot m. And dan Snyder giving jay gruden what he want to let him hang his self and the only reason jay gruden wont get fired is if he agree to work with rg3 next year because rg3 basically lost his job not because of play but because of injury…I really think rg3 is gonna great next year because this what he actually needs is to have a year off to learn everything and let his confidence rebuild I dont blame him for wide receivers dropping open catches thats clearly a area that needs to be upgraded next off-season…but I think rg3 not going nowhere next year its to soon to give up on a young 25 year old who still learning the game

    • greed - Oct 22, 2015 at 10:36 AM

      colt will be out the door with gruden too/ u guys forget Scotty didnt want to bring Mcoy back the only reason that happend was the QB signed as a fa from wash state quit football so it left the door opem for gruden to lobby to bring mcoy back

    • Skulb - Oct 22, 2015 at 2:38 PM

      Hardly “handpicked” when he´s the best of the two Shanahan QBs remaining on the team when Gruden came in. Man the tidal waves of exaggeration and hyporbole from Redskins fans just never ends. Never mind reality, I have a narrative to push based on absolutely nothing!

      • kenlinkins - Oct 22, 2015 at 4:36 PM

        If Gruden didn’t pick Cousins after the 2nd preseason game and made the Redskins “His Team”, who did?

        • bangkokben - Oct 22, 2015 at 4:48 PM

          Sure. And you can have death by gunshot, a thousand paper cuts, or suffocation. What’s your choice?
          How about life?
          Not on the menu.

        • gasngo14 - Oct 22, 2015 at 7:55 PM

          According to our GM Scot everything is a group decision here is one quote…..

          “The thing that’s important to me is that we can have disagreements or arguments about the players, the 53 [-man roster], the draft, free agency. But when it’s all said and done, we all take ownership together and understand that we’re going to have good days and bad days. But if we stay together, there’ll be a lot less bad days. A lot less.”

          Scot McCloughan

  5. Stephfan - Oct 22, 2015 at 7:42 AM

    For those of you that think griffin will be traded this season your dead wrong.. Griffin has a better chance at be the starter next year once gruden’so fat tail leaves and Kirk is let go. Remember folks the gm has already stated he wouldn’t give up on rg3, the same can’t be said for cousins

    • colorofmyskinz - Oct 22, 2015 at 7:48 AM

      Demote Gruden to O coordinator, McVay to assistant. Get a real head coach please. I knew when num-nuts Allen picked a HC before getting a GM we were headed for another rebuild after grudens failure. The writing was on the wall. Typical poor leadership decision, similar to the many poor decisions over the last 2 decades.

    • babyteal1 - Oct 22, 2015 at 7:52 AM

      And your smokin what cause I need some???

      • Stephfan - Oct 22, 2015 at 7:56 AM

        Baby teal so cousins is better, I’ll wait? And why would griffin be traded? That’s what the fans want not the team or else he would be gone. Second the gm has already stated that you don’t give up on a kid like rg… The same glowing recommendation can’t be said for cousins. Unless u include mike

        • bangkokben - Oct 22, 2015 at 11:01 AM

          When McCloughan said that about Griffin it didn’t stay in a vacuum. You have to take what he said in the context from which he said it. He meant that at that moment. Does he still? I doubt it.

          Do you really believe that McCloughan wants to keep Robert and pay Robert $16M and then have to hire only a new coach that will except the task of making Griffin a superstar when two other coaches couldn’t?

        • Skulb - Oct 22, 2015 at 2:39 PM

          Yes he is better. No need to wait. Sadly being better than Griffin isn´t very difficult.

        • abanig - Oct 22, 2015 at 4:49 PM

          Being better than Griffin in a west coast system when you’ve played in it for 12+ years and he’s played in the system for 1 shouldn’t be difficult for any qb.

          Getting more career wins than Griffin with a more talented roster than Griffin has ever had does appear to be extremely dificult for Cousins to accomplish.

        • brucefan1 - Oct 22, 2015 at 5:57 PM

          More wins than Griffin? What about 2012?! A lotta wins there!

          Oh, I forgot … according to Griffin haters, we’re all supposed to purge 2012 from our memories! (Sounds like something from one of the former Soviet Union’s new “Five Year Plans”!!)

          And I DO use the term “hater” purposely.

          Because in response to this recent dust-up over whether or not Gru’s obvious double standard for Griffin vis a vis Cousins smacked of racism, one of the ESPN980 squawkers squawked (INDIGNANTLY, mind you — to the point of “methinks he doth protest too loudly!”) that one of the important reasons why HE chose Cuz over RG is because Cuz is a better guy! No slogans from Cousin Kirk… no faux pas … no promises he didn’t keep … no father’s comments … no excuses (yeah, sure) … yada, yada, yada — just a nice, sweet, humble, “aww shucks” kinda guy.

          If I understand English correctly, it appears that to this radio jock, one very good reason that Griffin should be on the bench is that he dislikes Robert PERSONALLY! So don’t let anyone try to sell you that this is all exclusively about who’s better between the white lines (because there is still plenty of debate about THAT — obviously!), it’s also frequently about people’s opinions on things that have NOTHING to do with actually playing the game.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 22, 2015 at 8:35 PM

          “Being better than Griffin in a west coast system when you’ve played in it for 12+ years and he’s played in the system for 1 shouldn’t be difficult for any qb.”

          I think it’s closer to 7 years but you make the best point regardless.

    • gasngo14 - Oct 22, 2015 at 8:16 AM

      ” For those of you that think griffin will be traded this season your dead wrong”

      You are correct NO NFL team wants that contract!!

  6. gasngo14 - Oct 22, 2015 at 8:49 AM

    Rich why are some of my comments not posting?

  7. Dcwun - Oct 22, 2015 at 9:14 AM

    My only problem with the Cousins quote is if you attach Robert’s name to it, most would say “he’s not taking responsibility,” “he’s making excuses,” or “he’s throwing his teammates under the bus,” when he said a lot of things were going on. Just being honest here…….

    • berniebernard666 - Oct 22, 2015 at 9:50 AM

      you’re being delusional, it’s obvious you are a griffin fan, and no Cousins does not make excuses and is far better than Griffin at placing the blame on himself and admitting he has to improve…….as opposed to the BEST QUARTERBACK IN THE LEAGUE.

      • Dcwun - Oct 22, 2015 at 10:40 AM

        Far from delusional and to be clear, I am a fan of the Burgundy and Gold, PERIOD. could care less who the QB is as long as we win.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 22, 2015 at 9:07 PM

        Bernie was never a competitor so he’ll never comprehend what RG3 really meant. A another madden football generation.

        • abanig - Oct 22, 2015 at 9:20 PM

          Do we want a politically correct qb or do we want the most talented qb on the roster to play?

          And if we don’t want either of those – or care – then, we should go with the qb who gives us the best chance to win right now – Colt McCoy, because most of the Cousins peeps are convinced we came in the division with thin… :-/ that’s delusional. This team is only a game or two better w/KC than they were last year.

          W/ the most experienced qb on the roster I think this team could be a playoff team. I’m for Colt, if we aren’t seeing if Robert can improve, I want to win and I’d go to Colt.

          If I’m Gruden and I want to keep my job by nearly winning the division or by winning it, I go with McCoy.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 23, 2015 at 9:18 AM

          I’ve been verbally suggesting to put Colt McCoy in under Red Zone situations the past few weeks. He seems to be very capable in both passing and running if necessary in tight areas. I’ve pledge my support for Cousins in the first half of the season. However, if we don’t see any improvements from him then I’ll also support a move for McCoy just to see what he can do with the improve running game and blocking up front.

    • Skulb - Oct 22, 2015 at 2:42 PM

      Yes an entire paragraph of general statements about the game taken out of context when he has done nothing but criticize himself since Sunday. Wow what a scandal! The RGIII Cult is just way too desperate now. He isn´t playing no matter how many INTs Cousins throws: Get that through your head. He wouldn´t be an improvement at all and more importantly he would get injured, putting the Skins on a $16 million hook for next year. If anyone comes in for Kirk it will be McCoy.

      • brucefan1 - Oct 22, 2015 at 4:34 PM

        Me? I hope Griffin never plays another down for a Jay Gruden coached team.

        Ever since Gru exposed his hand concerning his ACTUAL QB plans in August (not the phony ones he trotted out before then), it’s become pretty obvious that that would be an absolute exercise in futility.

        Once again, imho if Griffin ever starts (short of simultaneous disabling injuries to Cuz AND Colt, of course) Gruden is history. If Gruden stays, Griffin disappears.

        Anybody disagree with that?

      • Stephfan - Oct 22, 2015 at 8:10 PM

        Skulb and your obviously part of the cousins cult but no matter. He will be gone by the end of season

        • gasngo14 - Oct 22, 2015 at 8:47 PM

          Maybe I could be the Redskins QB ….heck I can throw a few picks and I can always hold the ball until I get SMASHED – HURT……. At least I won’t cost the Skins 16 Million! I will do it for 1 million…HA!

        • gasngo14 - Oct 22, 2015 at 8:47 PM

          Maybe I could be the Redskins QB ….heck I can throw a few picks and I can always hold the ball until I get SMASHED – HURT……. At least I won’t cost the Skins 16 Million! I will do it for 1 million…HA!

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 22, 2015 at 9:05 PM

          “Maybe I could be the Redskins QB ….heck I can throw a few picks and I can always hold the ball until I get SMASHED – HURT……. At least I won’t cost the Skins 16 Million! I will do it for 1 million…HA!”

          The only thing you might be able carrier on a football field is a cup of water going to the nearest player.

  8. murphsman - Oct 22, 2015 at 9:32 AM

    If anyone thinks Cousins isn’t Grudens boy, Google Colin Kaepernick. The criticisms on Kaep the past 2 years are the same as those of RG3- gimmick offense, can’t read defenses, can’t go past his first receiver, can’t make his progressions, hasn’t advanced much as a qb. Yet he is the undisputed starter. As a matter of fact, there’s an article on nfl mobile about how he can be a great qb when used right. Yet Gruden won’t even try using Robert.

    • mr.moneylover - Oct 22, 2015 at 11:06 AM

      Its because jay gruden wont adjust his scheme witch is why I say he gotta go…if kyle shanahan can do it jay gruden should be able to do the same thing but jay gruden will rather let his QB struggle its just a matter of time before the players quit on jay gruden…year 1 you suppose to plug in your scheme year 2 build on the success you had year 1 year 3 if you still head coach make the playoffs….jay gruden f-up year 1 by keeping the same players and the same scheme so this franchise is behind the 8-ball running under head coach jay gruden

    • bangkokben - Oct 22, 2015 at 11:09 AM

      Kaepernick gets the time to grow because of the contract the 49ers gave him. $15M cap hit this year and $16M next year. It has relatively low total guaranteed money so they can get out before next season if Colin ‘crapernicks,’ they could save $9M and carry a dead ‘Kaep’ charge of $7M. Had Griffin never been injured, the Redskins would’ve likely been in a similar situation: paying boatloads of money to a QB hoping he turns the corner from superstar potential to elite QB. In addition, had Griffin been the QB that gets rid of the ball quickly and avoids sacks and hits, he’d have this year and next year to see if he develops. Instead, the 2016 option became a timebomb in which the Redskins cut the wrong wire accelerating the timer.

    • Skulb - Oct 22, 2015 at 2:45 PM

      For God´s sake he tried last year. Are you blind or something? The obvious difference between RGIII and Kaepernick is that Griffin gets injured easily while Kap does not. Even when he stinks it up the 9ers can at least plan for him being on the field the entire season. The other obvious difference is that griffin flaps his gums in the media with double speak and self aggrandizing nonsense. This has never happened so much as a single time in Kaep´s career in San Francisco.
      Again you are comparing two completely different things and loudly insisting that they are the same. They aren´t.

      • abanig - Oct 22, 2015 at 3:16 PM

        Griffin didn’t get injuried during the 2013 season. He had 2 fluke injuries in 3 years and he missed 1 game in 2012 and 6 games in 2014. So in 4 seasons he’s missed 7 games because of injury.

        • skinsgame - Oct 22, 2015 at 11:06 PM

          His knee injury wasn’t a fluke. It was a recurrence of one injury and additional injury to another ligament.

        • abanig - Oct 23, 2015 at 4:48 AM

          Yes it was. How many times does a 350 pound NT run down a qb who’s as fast as a WR and side swipe his knee as he’s diving for a first down?

          That doesn’t happen every day. That play was very unlucky for Griffin and the Redskins franchise.

          Now when he tore his knee, that wasn’t s fluke. That was a lapse in judgement by his HC who continued to play a qb who was playing on one leg one too many snaps.

        • skinsgame - Oct 23, 2015 at 7:41 AM

          In his case, it isn’t a fluke. This is tackle football. Knee injuries are not a “fluke” anymore than splinters are a fluke for a carpenter. He has been injured several different ways too, not just the knees.

  9. berniebernard666 - Oct 22, 2015 at 9:54 AM

    they need to start using Trent Murphy at INSIDE linebacker where his size will be an advantage but his lack of a burst won’t hurt him. Preston Smith is a better pass rusher, and next year Galette will be back so this only makes sense, especially since Murphy is very good against the run and the Skins need help at inside linebacker.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 22, 2015 at 1:08 PM

      For once I agree with you. I’m not sure if they tried Murphy out at ILB but it seems to be an intriguing option.

  10. redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 22, 2015 at 10:01 AM

    “When the team rushes for 34 yards and your defense allows 221 and you lose, ”

    The offense won’t be able to rush the ball effectively until the passing game can prove defenses it can be a threat. It’s that simple. There is not mystery as to why the rushing game has stalled lately. Injuries on the line are part of it but the lack of a passing threat is the primary reason.

    • bangkokben - Oct 22, 2015 at 11:13 AM

      I know you’d like that to be true but it just isn’t. In Gibbs second go around, the first playoff run, the Redskins ran the snot out of the ball and couldn’t pass worth spit. Mark Brunnell, ring a bell? But there was a defense that ‘super’ strong ‘up here.’

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 22, 2015 at 12:33 PM

        What’s only true about your statement is that Gibbs is not coaching the team now! This is also 2015! It has been stated early and often that if the passing game doesn’t produce better then the rushing game would start to suffer. This is exactly what happened. Some of the rush blocking issues can be blamed on the TEs and O-line injuries lately but overall don’t tell me defenses haven’t focused on attacking the rushing game due to lack of passing proficiency.

        Unless you have a proven veteran group at the line that can dominate week-n-week out then you are going to have inconsistency run blocking. Especially when defenses alter the scheme. The Redskins line is young and did well early in the rushing game. However, the weak passing attack and inability to stretch the field has impacted the ability to rush the ball under a young but promising O-line.

        The only thing true is your love affair for Cousins.

        • bangkokben - Oct 22, 2015 at 1:25 PM

          Thanks for that tirade of BS. I don’t love Cousins – I just think he is the best option for this team as it is constructed to win games – which I love – winning that is. It’s like what do you want for lunch: PB&J, Bologna, or a three day old half-eaten burrito? So what if I prefer PB&J and you want that half-eaten burrito; nobody’s getting steak.

          In order for the Redskins to win games, they have to find a way to run the ball. Other teams that are built similarly to our team find a way to run the ball and this team did earlier – they even stuck to it against Philly. If they can’t run and stop the run, they’re not winning games. Sure a good passing game would help and so would playing bad defenses.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 22, 2015 at 1:32 PM

          “Thanks for that tirade of BS. I don’t love Cousins”

          It’s annoying when folks make the wrong assumptions about you, doesn’t it?

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 22, 2015 at 1:36 PM

          “In order for the Redskins to win games, they have to find a way to run the ball. ”

          That depends on what defenses are giving the team. Again, I think this line is young and promising now but at the same time they are not experienced enough to continue to create gaping holes when defenses scheme to stop the run. The fact that there are recent injuries is further evidence. However, asking this offense line to “find a way” without a passing threat is foolhardy. Who didn’t see the running game slowing without a balance attack in the passing game? It’s was inevitable!

        • bangkokben - Oct 22, 2015 at 1:37 PM

          So you prefer bologna. My bad.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 22, 2015 at 1:39 PM

          Btw – you’ll see repeated comments about the passing game. This is done purposely to point out it is not just Cousins that is the issue.

        • bangkokben - Oct 22, 2015 at 1:55 PM

          Look, we all have our issues with the coach and Joe Jackson Gibbs isn’t walking through that door but I don’t buy into the rhetoric that the passing game has to open up the defense for the run game. I’ve seen way too much football to know that it isn’t the case. The Jets last week got stoned early in the run game. Did they open it up with a passing game? No. They stuck to running the ball and our defense obliged.

          When you claim to be a power team, you man up and beat the guy across from you. That hasn’t happened consistently. Every run play, one guy misses his assignment. Injuries has hurt every aspect of the offense but the team has to find a way.

        • gasngo14 - Oct 22, 2015 at 2:27 PM

          I agree with that bangkokben!


      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 22, 2015 at 2:18 PM

        “but I don’t buy into the rhetoric that the passing game has to open up the defense for the run game. I’ve seen way too much football to know that it isn’t the case. ”


        I’ve seen and played way too many games to know that you can’t keep up a rushing attack without a sone balanced attack in the passing game. This is true in most cases in the NFL.

        “Did they open it up with a passing game? No. They stuck to running the ball and our defense obliged.”

        Oversimplified statement there

        (14:18) (Shotgun) 14-R.Fitzpatrick pass short left to 33-C.Ivory to WAS 40 for 24 yards (30-K.Jarrett).
        (13:38) (Shotgun) 33-C.Ivory right end to WAS 29 for 11 yards (34-T.Robinson).

        then later…
        (10:18) (Shotgun) 8-K.Cousins pass short left intended for 14-R.Grant INTERCEPTED by 24-D.Revis at WAS 24. 24-D.Revis to WAS 18 for 6 yards (14-R.Grant).

        then later…
        (10:10) (Shotgun) 14-R.Fitzpatrick scrambles up the middle for 18 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

        Next Jets series…
        (8:49) 14-R.Fitzpatrick pass short left to 33-C.Ivory to NYJ 27 for 3 yards (56-P.Riley; 38-D.Goldson).
        2-7-NYJ 27
        (8:03) (Shotgun) 14-R.Fitzpatrick pass incomplete short left to 47-K.Davis [92-C.Baker].
        Timeout #1 by NYJ at 07:58.
        3-7-NYJ 27
        (7:58) (Shotgun) 14-R.Fitzpatrick pass short left to 15-B.Marshall to NYJ 41 for 14 yards (41-W.Blackmon).
        1-10-NYJ 41
        (7:17) 30-Z.Stacy right guard to WAS 41 for 18 yards (38-D.Goldson).
        1-10-WAS 41
        (6:39) (Shotgun) 30-Z.Stacy right tackle to WAS 35 for 6 yards (38-D.Goldson).
        2-4-WAS 35
        (6:02) 14-R.Fitzpatrick pass deep right to 15-B.Marshall for 35 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

        Next Jets series…
        (3:17) (Shotgun) 33-C.Ivory right end pushed ob at WAS 41 for 32 yards (34-T.Robinson).
        1-10-WAS 41
        (2:45) (Shotgun) 14-R.Fitzpatrick pass short right to 30-Z.Stacy to WAS 38 for 3 yards (38-D.Goldson).
        2-7-WAS 38
        (2:07) (Shotgun) 33-C.Ivory up the middle to WAS 34 for 4 yards (52-K.Robinson).
        3-3-WAS 34
        (1:33) (Shotgun) 14-R.Fitzpatrick pass short middle to 87-E.Decker to WAS 23 for 11 yards (30-K.Jarrett).
        1-10-WAS 23
        (:57) 33-C.Ivory right tackle to WAS 23 for no gain (38-D.Goldson; 52-K.Robinson).
        2-10-WAS 23
        (:16) (Shotgun) 14-R.Fitzpatrick pass incomplete short middle to 87-E.Decker.
        3-10-WAS 23
        (:12) (Shotgun) 14-R.Fitzpatrick pass deep middle to 15-B.Marshall to WAS 6 for 17 yards (38-D.Goldson).

        You can clearly see the Jets mixed the game up with passing and rushing while Fitz making key runs out of the pocket and also one series with a short field compliments of Cousins.

        The passing game and Fitz scrambling helped to open up the game for the Jets to run. Also, your idea that a team can just find a way to run the ball without a serious passing attack is only possible when you have an elite rushing blocking offense line.

        • mjthomas85 - Oct 22, 2015 at 3:07 PM

          I think your point is the Redskins play calling is too predictable. Consider R. Ross. The only time he ever gets on the field is for a deep ball. Teams double him for that play, then it’s back to the usual short passing routes.

          The team needs to mix things up by throwing short, middle, and long passes. Additionally, they need to bring in players like R. Ross when he isn’t getting the ball on a deep passing route. For example, if teams intend to double team him going deep, why not build a running play to the same side that uses R. Ross to pull a corner and safety away from the LOS. This could have the added benefit of R. Ross not receiving double teams every time he runs down the field.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 22, 2015 at 6:42 PM

          “I think your point is the Redskins play calling is too predictable. ”

          It’s a significant part of it since I believe it allows defenses to play a shorter field.

    • ET - Oct 22, 2015 at 11:31 AM

      Agree, but I’d add that the lack of a legit deep passing threat has been a real issue this year. The Skins have done a poor job of spreading defenses out, and that’s having a negative impact on the rest of the scheme.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 22, 2015 at 12:36 PM

        “Agree, but I’d add that the lack of a legit deep passing threat has been a real issue this year.”

        I completely agree and I think that is the primary issue I was inferring this when I mentioned the lack of passing threat.

    • Skulb - Oct 22, 2015 at 2:48 PM

      No this is not the reason. The running game disappeared in week 3. it did not reappear when Kirk had accurate passes against the Eagles either. You have this upside down. The offense is struggling, Kirk included, because there´s no running game. And because there is no running game opposing defenses can sit back in coverage so Kirk has nowhere to go with the ball. That was what happened against the Jets and Falcons.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 22, 2015 at 3:10 PM

        So Defenses changed nothing on their end to stop the rushing attack while the Rushing attack just slowed on it’s own?

        “it did not reappear when Kirk had accurate passes against the Eagles either.”

        127 total rushing yards is not a non existent running game. If you think so then you want a HOF level rushing attack to compensate Cousins and the passing game. I don’t recall that being a requirement for this offense this season until Cousins became a starter.

      • abanig - Oct 22, 2015 at 3:10 PM

        Say wha? Defenses Crowd the box and make Kirk Cousins beat them, that’s why the running game isn’t working and Kirk Cousins can’t beat them.

        This is literally no different than if our other two qbs were starting because we don’t have an above average qb.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 22, 2015 at 3:18 PM

          I had a response on this to abanig but I guess it’s stuck in spam land somewhere. The idea that the running game didn’t appear against the Eagles was short sided as well since they did produce 127 rushing yards. As I stated in my lost comment, the expectation of a HOF level rushing attack didn’t come to fruition until Cousins became starter. It has now become the emphasis for the offensive issues for some even though the rushing game has carrier most of the wins and some loses.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 22, 2015 at 3:19 PM


          “… the rushing game has carried most of the offensive wins and help keep them in some loses.

  11. David Hinnant - Oct 22, 2015 at 11:02 AM

    What I really think is to either play those high price players walking up and down the sidelines back slapping and glad handing but can’t or won’t contribute to the efforts. Just happily going to the bank. No pride,no team spirit, no loyalty but to them selves. Just an observation from a fan since 1963. When playing football mattered and not just a pay day.

  12. timwillhide - Oct 22, 2015 at 11:10 AM

    If Gruden or Cousins were honest about it they would mention everything covered in this article

    • bangkokben - Oct 22, 2015 at 11:15 AM

      Ha Ha Ha.

      • timwillhide - Oct 22, 2015 at 2:45 PM

        Another great rebuttal from someone that thinks a QB needs to step up in the Pocket ( which doesn’t exist ) during a bootleg play

        • captblood3000 - Oct 22, 2015 at 4:06 PM

          That article is rubbish, Tim. Are you going to tally dropped interceptions and lost fumbles for all quarterbacks? No, you’ll just do that for Cousins and say it proves your point. Because that’s the point you want to make, and actually proving your point is more work than you can do.

        • timwillhide - Oct 22, 2015 at 5:37 PM

          These were passes right to the defender. I’ve never seen a QB do that as many times as Cousins.
          You dismiss it because it makes Cousins look bad. I’m just looking at what the guy has done.

          Guess you missed the part where I wrote that he was better in college and that could show he is not that way

        • gasngo14 - Oct 22, 2015 at 8:53 PM

          Hey Tim …who are you hiding from? SORRY had to ask i have been wondering for awhile?

        • timwillhide - Oct 22, 2015 at 10:50 PM

          What do you mean??? I’m not hiding from anyone. I haven’t bin able to get on here much because I’m busy if that’s what you mean.

          I don’t understand why people don’t read everything I write. It’s like they read part of it and want to blow off about it like the Passes hitting defenders in the hands
          Then ignore where I wrote Cousins college production shows he could not always bethat way. I don’t think he can bbut I do give viable reasons why he could

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 22, 2015 at 11:05 PM

          Tim, Gas is a troll and always has been since he was banned on He comes here to antagonize other Redskins fans. I think he is a cowboy fan crying to fool Redskins fans otherwise!

    • hail74 - Oct 22, 2015 at 11:45 AM

      Hey I like this game, I’ll right the next article for you! It’s titled” Jay Gruden one of the bests coaches in the league- startling new stats as proof!”
      As we all know jay gruden currently sits at 2-4 in his second year as HC, but what people don’t realize is that his record is the same as or better than more than half the coaches in the league! Also consider that 4 other coaches have been to the super bowl and have their QB that got them there while gruden has what some skins fans will tell is the worst qb in the league! Baltimore sits at 1-5 with arguably one of the best gms in the game! Seattle with the most qualified OC in the league and a roster that went to the big game last year has the same record as Gruden! As you can see by these”facts” That I arrived at without extrapolation based on opinion Gruden should be recognized as one of the best in the league!

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 22, 2015 at 12:57 PM

        Yes please continue to conjure ways to defend Gruden and I’ll keep laughing

        • hail74 - Oct 22, 2015 at 2:13 PM

          That’s the point. It’s a ridiculous statement to be sure, but all I had to do was pull some BS “stats” to support it.

        • hail74 - Oct 22, 2015 at 2:22 PM

          But please tell me why those teams with qualified coaches and qbs are floating in flotsam just like the redskins? As has been stated here many times all we need is a new coach and qb to be great again so why isn’t this formula working everywhere else?

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 22, 2015 at 3:14 PM

          “But please tell me why those teams with qualified coaches and qbs are floating in flotsam just like the redskins? ”

          I think some of the teams you are referring to will eventually turn the season around. I haven’t suggested a Gruden fire now or bench Kirk Cousins chant now simply because I want more of the season play out. The really good coaches and teams will work through the early funk. However, I don’t expect the Redskins to be one of those teams.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 22, 2015 at 12:59 PM

        “Gruden should be recognized as one of the best in the league!”

        Maybe you should narrow that stat down to just the St Louis Rams game. Then you can call him an elite coach!

    • goback2rfk - Oct 22, 2015 at 12:25 PM

      I do not know what the argument is all about. Cousins sucks and that is end of the discussion. He is a BACKUP tying to fill a starters role. Of course he is a TO machine. He did the same thing in college folks.
      Why do you think so many teams passed on him? We will move on and pick up a new QB next season either that or Rob Griffen III will start next year.

      • hail74 - Oct 22, 2015 at 12:52 PM

        I agree that we will pick up a new qb next year but teams pass on a lot of good qbs all the time.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 22, 2015 at 1:03 PM

          “I agree that we will pick up a new qb next year but teams pass on a lot of good qbs all the time.”

          Way overstated! If that was the case then every NFL team would have a good QB on their roster. Good QBs are hard to come by and elite QBs are rare.

        • hail74 - Oct 22, 2015 at 2:15 PM

          And yet guys like Bree’s,Wilson were passed up by all teams. Some multiple times. Using Kirks draft position as a basis for his play is incorrect

        • hail74 - Oct 22, 2015 at 3:00 PM

          There were originally more names posted not sure what happened, but yes your correct all the time is an exaggeration perhaps I should’ve just said it happens.

    • timwillhide - Oct 22, 2015 at 1:22 PM

      What blows my mind is people want to defend Cousins when He is one of the most turnover prone inaccurate QBs I’ve ever seen. People want to dismiss all the passes he HIT DEFENDERS IN THE HANDS and the defender dropped it. Nobody seems to wanna debate that. Also I didn’t pick the title the site did.

      As far as Gruden goes. He has our team in last place in yards per pass attempt. At 6.2 and last in average points scored in the 3rd quarter at 0.6. The lions are ranked 31st in that Stat at 1.2 wich is double our total. Ya he is a great coach/motivator

      BTW Son of Washington approached me to write for them. Because they liked my perspective. I didn’t search them out. And I actually enjoy doing it. Anything I’ve ever written you can Easily look up. That’s on here or in any of my articles

      • bangkokben - Oct 22, 2015 at 1:58 PM

        Better there than here.

        • timwillhide - Oct 22, 2015 at 2:42 PM

          Bang obviously you either didn’t read it or have no way of debating the points made in the article.

          If you would have read it you would have seen that there were points on why Cousins shouldn’t be considered a turnover machine. One of the points I came up with.

        • bangkokben - Oct 22, 2015 at 4:46 PM

          Any ‘debate’ should happen over there – where you won’t find me. You have wasted plenty of space here with your circular debates. I won’t participate in them any more. I sincerely hope your ‘perspective’ takes off for you there. Good luck!

      • hail74 - Oct 22, 2015 at 2:18 PM

        So what was your control for HITS DEFENDERS IN HANDS stats vs other QB’s? Did you subtract HITS RECIEVERS IN HANDS from this? Enquiring minds want to know!

        • timwillhide - Oct 22, 2015 at 2:40 PM

          This isn’t a science experiment. That’s what he did I found alarming. Why doesn’t it bother you?

        • hail74 - Oct 22, 2015 at 3:08 PM

          I actually have said that cousins ball placement is terrible, at times. My problem with this article is that your only watching one player and your not adjusting for dropped or tipped balls. What about the situation in the game? Defenders get paid to play too and there is often times a very narrow window to place the ball, so unless your going to watch every play of every game you have no true barometer to use.

        • timwillhide - Oct 22, 2015 at 5:41 PM

          Only counted the ones that were thrown right at the defender. The defender didn’t have to do anything but stand there. If I counted the tipped balls or the ones that the defender had to make a play it would have bin well over 30.

          Count them for yourself.

  13. abanig - Oct 22, 2015 at 11:43 AM

    The narrative that Kirk is not mentally tough enough and is afraid to step into throws has been a problem since his rookie season. He had issues with throwing off his back foot s d not stepping into throws at Michigan state – like Rex Grossman – when he feels pressure and that leads to his innacuracy and bad interceptions. I haven’t seen that improve. He’s been widely inaccurate in every game he’s played this year including preseason games against 2’s & 3s.

    For the moment, they need to stick with Kirk but I am beginning to change my narrative that he can develop into Trent Green rather than what Kirk is and always will be is Rex Grossman.

    • bangkokben - Oct 22, 2015 at 12:11 PM

      Isn’t it funny how what he does Sunday will affect your opinion. Two interceptions and he’s Rex Grossman; 300 yards and he’s Trent Green.

      I say he’s a younger less experienced Ryan Fitzpatrick that can win you games if he’s got the right pieces with him. He can also lose you some games as well. Brandon Marshall somehow turns a horribly underthrown ball into coverage into a TD pass. I suspect that Fitz will look different Sunday against NE.

      • goback2rfk - Oct 22, 2015 at 12:29 PM

        Nothing will change my opinion of Cousins on Sunday. He is inconsistent as hell. He may go out and throw for 325 yards 3 TD’s and no INT’s Sunday. After the bye he will goto New England and throw 0 TD’s and 3 INT’s.
        Cousins can not play well week to week and that is his major malfunction. He shows moments of greatness but only moments not consistent play.
        I am done with Rex Cousins. If he tanks this game I want his ass outta there and see what Colt can do. McCoy did not look half bad in the preseason.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 22, 2015 at 12:55 PM

          I think it’s fair to state not having both Jackson and Reed has made it more difficult for Cousins. I want to see how is performs with real passing threats downfield. He hasn’t had much of that and what I say we have learned about Cousins is that he can’t produce consistently with average WRs and a scheme that is not willing to stretch the field enough for him.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 22, 2015 at 12:49 PM

        Let’s see what Cousins can produce with a Tampa pass defense that has yielded 12 touchdown passes thus far. That is tied for 3rd in most defense passing touchdowns allowed. Can Cousins get pass the single TD threshold? That would be something positive to see but I’m not so sure he can do it.

        • bangkokben - Oct 22, 2015 at 1:27 PM

          Hell, I hope he does too. He certainly was able to last year but that is of little importance if the team loses the game.

      • abanig - Oct 22, 2015 at 6:49 PM

        I’ve never been too impressed by Cousins. He has potential but he’s never harnessed it and because of his confidence issues, i worry he never will.

        I guess Fitzpatrick or a Brian Hoyer type is what he’ll always be and the Skins can do better.

        I think they can do better currently because unlike Fitz/Hoyer & McCoy, Couisns provinces ZERO off script plays that can extend plays, move the chains and win games for you.

        Kirk isn’t going to run for 18 yards like Fitz for a TD, instead he’ll throw late or into double/triple coverage downfield and the result will be herendous.

        • bangkokben - Oct 23, 2015 at 8:24 AM

          That certainly is the case now. I suspect that with time he’ll learn how to improvise better. He did have one nice scramble earlier in the year that was called back by a holding penalty. Whether we ever see that growth, I don’t know – I certainly wouldn’t put any money on it. I suspect with the state of college football, that guys like Cousins will get multiple shots with multiple teams.

    • goback2rfk - Oct 22, 2015 at 12:31 PM

      Rex Cousins is terrible as a starter. He is much better coming in as relief every now and then. I would like to see Rex Cousins sit on the bench the remaining games of the season. I once thought he would be worth keeping around as a number 2 guy now I think we just let him hit free agency. Rex Cousins is done.

  14. colmac69 - Oct 22, 2015 at 12:47 PM

    Can people not change the narrative on here

    If it’s not debate about why cousins is responsible for teams 2-4 record it’s a debate about cousins/rgiii and who has best stats or we get same consistent message from money that gruden/cousins are solely responsible for all what’s wrong with the team

    I respect everyone on here and whatever opinion they have…agree with some things and disagree on others..would like to think majority on here are of same ilk….

    Just seems that every debate ends up about the same thing (at times I’m as guilty as everyone else I will add)

    • bangkokben - Oct 22, 2015 at 1:45 PM

      Some folks here have their message and they’re sticking to it no matter what. It was the same last year. Maybe it comes from being associated with DC and all the comes with that. Spin whatever story to support your agenda. (Fire coach, replace QB, etc) Tiresome? Hell yeah!

    • goback2rfk - Oct 22, 2015 at 2:22 PM

      I believe the QB position is the biggest reason for failure this year and in years past. You can not win with mediocre QB play. It is hard to believe if Tom Brady was the QB right now we would be loosing games like we are now. I think the QB position is the most important on the field.

      • gasngo14 - Oct 22, 2015 at 2:43 PM

        I agree and we also sold the farm to get one, and he was ruined. That leaves us where we are, back to square one without how many premium draft picks?

      • gasngo14 - Oct 22, 2015 at 2:46 PM

        so at this point we have no choice and we roll with what we have and if you are a real Skins fan you hope like hell this kid can figure it out . Not hope like hell he fails because RG3 is where he is!

      • Skulb - Oct 22, 2015 at 2:54 PM

        But you can win with mediocre QB play. Probably not a Superbowl but you can win games. Look at Bradford in Philly. Worse than Cousins in week 6 and his team still blew out the Giants. Of course the Giants and Eli were bad as well, but not as bad as Bradford. Or look at Denver right now: 6-0 with the worst QB in the NFL so far this season. Then look at 1-5 Ravens with elite QB Joe Flacco leading the offense or Seattle at 2-4 behind their SB winning QB.
        A good QB helps but it isn´t required to win games. The defense and running game can do that for you even if you have a really bad one. And this was what he meant above when he said “narrative”. The use of that word was not accidental. You have a narrative and you repeat it endlessly no matter how many counter arguments are presented.

        • ET - Oct 22, 2015 at 4:36 PM

          Well said.

          The Quarterback As Messiah philosophy has grown tiresome. The QB is important, yeah, we get it. So are a lot of other dudes on the field. And some off the field.

        • brucefan1 - Oct 22, 2015 at 5:03 PM

          Bradford (3-3 record/80 Rating/31.6QBR) is in pretty much the same boat as Cuz (2-4/77.4/54.2); they might have a good game one week, but probably will have a poor game the next or two.

          Ya don’t know what to expect — except for maybe the fact that you can’t DEPEND on them.

          Week -to-week, their teams just gotta hope this is not one of those games in which they are going into the tank.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 22, 2015 at 9:00 PM

          When did Joe Flacco become elite?

          “A good QB helps but it isn´t required to win games. ”

          No it’s required to get in the playoffs and further. That is unless you were Trent Dilfer playing with the greatest defense of all time. Let’s wait until Cousins can even crack 500 before discussing if he is even an average QB. I love how the argument on QB become less relevant when it’s a guy you “like”. These twisted and one-sided viewpoints are grower weaker as Cousins continues to spiral downward. There’s only so many dance routines you can come up with when your partner has two left feet or in Cousins case two left arms.

    • ajbus1 - Oct 22, 2015 at 5:38 PM

      Amen colmac69. Tired of some of these guys constantly trying to be the smartest in the room everyday. The “discussions” on here rarely stay on subject and it’s annoying as he11.

      • brucefan1 - Oct 22, 2015 at 7:27 PM

        “The “discussions” on here rarely stay on subject and it’s annoying as he11.”

        You want to somehow control the direction of the debate here — or for there even to BE a direction?! LOL

        The only reply I can make to that is to paraphrase the last line of a great movie; Ferget about it, ajbus1 — it’s The Internet!

      • goback2rfk - Oct 22, 2015 at 11:51 PM

        Rich Tandler has said many times before that these boards can go in any direction the bloggers see fit. Sometimes I do not even read Rich’s posts I just go straight to complaining about this and that. I have even talked about what I am having for dinner with another blogger before. Sometimes the direction of the posts are off subject but one things remains the same and that is Rex Cousins is awful !

      • ajbus1 - Oct 23, 2015 at 4:31 AM

        Looks like I struck a chord. Archives

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