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Need to Know: Redskins’ season reaches a tipping point

Oct 20, 2015, 5:22 AM EDT


Here is what you need to know on this Tuesday, October 20, five days before the Washington Redskins host the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Tandler’s Tuesday Take Two: The Redskins’ season is reaching a tipping point

For the first four weeks of the season, all seemed to be going pretty well for the Redskins. They were 2-2 and accomplishing their preseason goals of being able to run the ball and stop the run. Quarterback Kirk Cousins was not lighting the league on fire but he looked like at least a competent game manager with whom the Redskins could have at least some limited success. So little was expected of the Redskins that they were being called a pleasant, if modest, surprise team.

But then the last two games happened. The Redskins didn’t look bad overall in Atlanta but their ability to run ball well came to a grinding halt (51 yards rushing) and they couldn’t stop the run (Devonta Freeman, 153 yards rushing). And Cousins was wobbly with his accuracy most of the day and threw two interceptions, the second of which was returned for the game-winning touchdown in overtime.

That was bad, the Jets game was worse. The Redskins gained only 34 yards on the ground while New York’s Chris Ivory rolled for 146. Jets quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick almost outgained the Redskins as a team, scrambling for 31 yards. Cousins again threw two picks, including one that set up a momentum-changing touchdown in the third quarter.

Now the Redskins are 2-4. Next up they host the Tampa Bay Bucs, a team that beat them 27-7 at FedEx last year in a game that was not even as close as the 20-point margin would indicate. The Redskins take their bye week after that. In November they have two road trips to play the unbeaten Patriots and Panthers. In between those games they play at home against the Saints, who are also scuffling at 2-4 but they have a major advantage at quarterback with Drew Brees. After the road trip they face the Giants, who are shaping up to be the class of the division.

I wrote last week that the Redskins are more a middle of the pack team than one of the bottom feeders and one injury-hampered loss to the Jets doesn’t necessarily change that. But they are coming to a stretch of the schedule where they are facing teams who are clearly better. That is why Jay Gruden declared that this game against the Bucs is a “code red”, as in one they must win.

If they don’t win this Sunday and you figure that the game in New England is a sure loss, that would put the Redskins at 2-6 at midseason and working on a four-game losing streak. A year ago they were 3-5 after eight games and on a two-game winning streak. While Scot McCloughan didn’t necessarily thing that the Redskins would contend for the playoffs this year, he, Bruce Allen, and Dan Snyder were certainly looking for some degree of improvement. Being in what looks like a sinking ship certainly wouldn’t look like improvement.

One game won or lost won’t necessarily change the ultimate fates of Gruden, Cousins, and other players and coaches. But there will be a big difference in the feel around Redskins Park between going into the bye with a win and going in with three straight losses and a near-certain fourth looming their first week back.

A convincing win would be better but perhaps we shouldn’t look for more than baby steps from this team, especially given that they are still likely to have some injured front-line players out against the Bucs.

In any case, Gruden certainly seems to be rallying the troops harder in this one than he has in any of his previous 22 games as a head coach. “Code red” is not a card you want to play often because eventually you lose credibility. But it’s out there this week and we will see how the Redskins respond.


Today’s schedule: Player meetings, no media availability

Days until: Bucs @ Redskins 5; Redskins @ Patriots 19; Saints @ Redskins 25

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  1. colorofmyskinz - Oct 20, 2015 at 5:50 AM

    Agreed here. Code red absolutely. Here us the reality:
    – defense was a run stopping machine and in the last 2 games have exposed the fact they are below average at best.
    – the real Kirk cousins has stood up. He is a turn over machine, is not accurate beyond 15 yards, and shows the same problems of the past, in desperation he gives the ball away.
    – coaching is horrible at best. A coaching team that clearly knows halftime adjustments are critical and can’t deliver. This coaching squad just plain sucks.
    – Morris has been the lead last 2 games and rushing has fallen to last than 2 yards per carry. I would bench his slow azz and put him in street clothes for Tampa to make a statement.
    – our injuries don’t even allow us to dress 47 which is crazy and unlike any other team in the nfl. Our trainers and work ethic are the worst in the league.
    – Riley was worse than our 3rd string options
    – pot roast has eaten too many pork sandwiches. He is not athletic, he is FAT and slow. No wonder a world class team dumped him.
    – reliebus reminds us why he continued to find 3 rd string
    – Kerrigan and Murphy have decided to not show up
    – hatcher showing age
    – injuries injuries injuries

    We have a team that has started the season strong and have slipped right back into that comfortable losing streak they know this organization has patterned their last 20 years after. Similar to how we play games. Come out strong and then give the game away. We can’t finish a good piece of pie.

    I see a very hard time beating Tampa with this momentum in the typical redskins brand… LOSERS. We clearly own last place in the division and if this team does not pull up their Spider-Man underoos we will not leave the basement of the NFC east for the rest of the year. If this is not code red I don’t know what is. If we lose this game the season is over period. We lose this game and I see at least 6 straight coming. I think it will be an act of God to play 4 quarters against a horrible Tampa team.

    CODE RED for sure.

    • brucefan1 - Oct 20, 2015 at 2:49 PM

      Code Red. Gotta love it. Like all it takes is flipping the “Code Red” switch.

    • abanig - Oct 20, 2015 at 3:38 PM

      Gruden is panicking, you don’t hear good or great organizations mention such desperation publicly. He has to keep these comments in house. He talks too much. It’s a major problem and has been for two years now. Less is more with the media.

      “Code Red” get this man a Mountain Dew and tell him to get to freakin work and stop going to the bar!

      • brucefan1 - Oct 20, 2015 at 7:06 PM


        Fellas got JOKES here today! I guess that beats crying over things none of us can change.

        Personally, I always hadda a perverse enjoyment of a little gallows humor. Like Rich sez, it may be a tipping point. Between which two outcomes I can’t really ascertain, but I go with between the team getting a (temporary?) reprieve from the governor and having the trap door sprung for that long drop. LOL!

  2. colorofmyskinz - Oct 20, 2015 at 5:52 AM

    Rich check spam please for my post.

    • brucefan1 - Oct 20, 2015 at 9:12 AM

      Haha! You too?!

      Watch it show up around 10:00.

  3. colorofmyskinz - Oct 20, 2015 at 6:06 AM

    If I were coach I would start a “Starter in Street Clothes” campaign. Every week I would pick the weakest link of the 22 starters to ride the pine in street clothes on the next game wearing the dunce hat until all 22 come to play.

    I would start this week with Morris. And if Jones is not back, I would start and run DY the entire game to make a statement.

    • colorofmyskinz - Oct 20, 2015 at 6:27 AM

      I know this is negative reinforcement. But, if our team wants to live in the bottom of the division, they don’t deserve positive reinforcement. That campaign will come when we are out of the cellar.

  4. mr.moneylover - Oct 20, 2015 at 6:37 AM

    Bucs had two weeks to prepare for the redskins just like the jets we gonna lose because kirk cousins dont have no confidence in his game the coaches not asking him to do much and he still find away to give the other team the ball and put our defense in a rough spot….we will lose to the bucs and jay gruden will likely be gone after the year…the jets game should’ve been code red game cant wait until we lose two straight to call it a code red game….I think jay gruden is to worried about bein wrong about kirk cousins jay gruden needs to focus on the team as a whole not just one person and as a team this team need a spark so the guys can keep fighting at a high level…defense gave our offense the ball to many times and if kirk cousins cant move the ball thats gonna be bad for our defense we got old Defensive lineman that get tired if they on the field most of the game

    • colmac69 - Oct 20, 2015 at 11:10 AM

      First off most here had us losing vs falcons..jets so 2-4 is record…loss is a loss regardless how it happened…turned out could won falcons game but costly int (on cousins because he didn’t set right protection and play went south quickly)

      Sun def got three turnovers converted into 13pts…same def let jets March easily downfield to make it 7-7..jets moved ball all day….momentum taking lead into ht defense let’s jets move dwn field after ht for fg…first int changes momentum of game but doesn’t decide game…defense let’s fitzpatrick (not Russell wilson)run 18 yrds for td (also let him run for 13 on a 3rd and 9 in first half)….offense can’t run ball defense gave up 220….

      Was it bad ints for sure it was..but realistically the jets would have won that game without turnovers as defense couldn’t stop them all day

      Not defending cousins by any means bout we can’t xpect an offense missing three linemen..tight end and top receiver to create a lot vs top defense rested after bye

      Takes all facets of a team to usually get result…as we all know if we can’t run ball successfully it doesn’t matter who qb is as we won’t win many games

      • ajbus1 - Oct 20, 2015 at 1:13 PM

        That’s a dose of reality right there.

    • Johnny B. - Oct 20, 2015 at 6:59 PM

      Not asking Cousins to do much where have you been. Since week 3 he has been asked to carry the team in the passing game without a run game. He is not that type of qb yet. His name is Cousins not Manning.

      • abanig - Oct 20, 2015 at 8:14 PM

        This is true, Morris hasn’t been consistent or decisive since week 1, Jones is hurt. Thompson has been the best back we’ve had for a few weeks running.

    • Skulb - Oct 21, 2015 at 3:11 AM

      Not all losses are the same though. Miami gave the Skins every chance to win and the Atlanta game was very close, so we might be 4-2 right now and looking pretty good. Last year I seem to recall we were blown out a lot, so at least that´s a bit of an improvement. Of course that could change and we´re in a bit of a hole here. But I still don´t think we should despair quite yet. We just really really have to win the Tampa game to not totally disintegrate before the bye. Then our scheduled loss at New England and we can go from 3-5 and see if we can develop some steam down the stretch. It´s definitely possible.

  5. mr.moneylover - Oct 20, 2015 at 6:39 AM

    Were my comment at ?????

    • brucefan1 - Oct 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM


      (I think we blew up WordPress!!)

  6. skinsgame - Oct 20, 2015 at 6:56 AM

    Certainly looking forward to getting the New England game over with. That thing is like an appointment for a root canal, looming out there. There are some bright spots for the team as well though. Pass protection is the best we’ve seen in a very long time. There is depth on the roster in unexpected places. We have a real place kicker it would seem. The special teams play is trending far better the last 3 games and the penalties have seen a drastic drop in the last 2 games. Signs of an improving team are evident. The trick is sustaining those improvements while learning to execute with consistency. That’s what really good teams do. Who in here thought this team was really good? “Tipping point” seems to indicate a playoff position is in danger. Reality checks are obviously being written to lots of fans. I got mine in the NY game.

    • Custer - Oct 20, 2015 at 7:03 AM

      I’m not too sure about the root canal, whenever I had one it was immediate relief..

      This team is done and they know it. It shows in they’re play and their sideline composure

      Gruden is not, not ever will be a successful hc. He reminds me of Haslett, his group does a bonehead move and he’s standing there wondering why.

      Scot McGlock will transform this team in the coming off season. He’ll get to replace this multi-headed coach monster and get a leader in here.

      He’ll go through the tape and release at least 11 startes.

      This team needs rebuilt, not tweaked. They don’t know how to win.

      • colorofmyskinz - Oct 20, 2015 at 7:18 AM

        I have to agree here. Time for Scot M to break up the “Tampa Connection”. Allen has brought the Tampa brotherhood in coaching to this team. Who in their right mind would ever think modeling a team after Tampa with Tampas has-Beens would be a way to build a winning team. Allen is just as horrible as Snyder and the only smart thing he has done is bring in Scot, basically admitting he was over his head.

        Time to bust up the Tampa Brotherhood! I would start with Jay and McVay…

      • colorofmyskinz - Oct 20, 2015 at 7:24 AM

        Time to break up the Tampa Connection hear in DC. How many coaches from Tampa Allen? And why was that a good idea?? To model the worst franchise in the league? Allen you suck as bad as Snyder…

        • colorofmyskinz - Oct 20, 2015 at 7:26 AM

          I wish Scot could fire Allen and Snyder. That would fix this losing culture right at the top.

        • sidepull - Oct 20, 2015 at 9:25 AM

          Yea go model GB, NE or PITT why TB? hahahha

        • sidepull - Oct 20, 2015 at 9:27 AM

          Now that would be something, Scot firing the two guys who brought him here. Allen is Teflon and Snyder is just a wart that cant be removed.

      • colorofmyskinz - Oct 20, 2015 at 7:36 AM

        How many losers from Tampa? Allen, Gruden, Raheem Morris, Barry, McVay… How many more can you list? A shame they did not model themselves after a winning culture like the Patriots. Oh that’s right, those coaches are still there creating wins. Unlike our rejects from Tampa.

        • skinsgame - Oct 20, 2015 at 7:47 AM

          How many coaches have left New England and had success elsewhere? Former coordinators from New England become former head coaches. The league is littered with cronyism, it isn’t exclusive to Washington.

        • hk2000 - Oct 20, 2015 at 10:46 AM

          That is so true, Skinsgame! People think NE is a collection of great minds, when it really is Billichik and a host of others, but the HC is THE engine- everybody else are cogs. That is why we are doomed untill Gruden ids gone!

        • skinsgame - Oct 20, 2015 at 11:11 AM

          Yes, all teams in the league should fire their head coaches and find a Bill Belicheck. I can’t believe the other 31 teams in the league haven’t figured that out!

        • hk2000 - Oct 20, 2015 at 11:29 AM

          You missed my point completely! Oh well……. You go ahead keep your faith in this incompetent joke of a coach!

        • skinsgame - Oct 20, 2015 at 1:47 PM

          I didn’t miss your point, you don’t have one. It’s like reading posts from fans clamoring for a 6′ 5″ WR. You know, for goal line situations. We need one. No kidding? EVERYBODY does. There is only one Belicheck and firing every head coach every other year so you can hopefully stumble onto one of your own is stupid.

        • Skulb - Oct 21, 2015 at 3:25 AM

          Incidentally Bill Belichick was about to be fired in NE before the football gods decided to drop Brady in his lap. You actually do need to give people enough rope to hang themselves with here. And the Redskins have an atrocious history of firing coaches early. I mean Marty was fired after a single 8-8 season here. We´d basically go on the game for an 6-8 season right now, so what was that about? Then Marty was replaced with Spurrier, an incompetent if ever there was one. And you can take it from there; one terrible decision after another: Jim Zorn forcing players to pray before games and to sing “hip hip hooray” after wins; Shanahan adeptly taking every existing problem (There were several) and making them worse before also being fired before his contract was up.
          Whatever Gruden´s acumen as a HC is here he at least appears to be the first normal person to hold this job in the last decade and a half. He has inherited 20 years of systematic sabotage and mismanagement and an ingrained losing culture. It will take time to turn this around, and I don´t care if you resurrect Vince Lombardi and make him HC of the Redskins. I don´t know if Gruden can do this but I do think it´s too early to tell.
          What Skins fans should be looking for this year is not a return to the golden days and the Superbowl behind the next Tom Brady. It is improvement. And there is some improvement here. ST is better, the defense is better and the offense has shown promise at times, which it almost never did in 2013 and 14. We have won two games and almost won two others. Last season we won four games in total and played close in two more, for a grand total of 6 acceptable games. We have had four this far and with a win against Tampa we will have played six acceptable games at the halfway point, or seven if we show up for our Patriots loss. To my mind that is already twice as good as last year.

        • skinsgame - Oct 21, 2015 at 8:08 AM

          As Jim Zorn would say, Amen.

      • skinsgame - Oct 20, 2015 at 7:44 AM

        At least 11 starters, eh? At least? Wow. So, what you’re saying is, you think they’ll begin the rebuild NEXT year and you thought they had a playoff team THIS year. Gotcha.

      • abanig - Oct 20, 2015 at 8:20 PM

        I have to agree. I wanted to def give Gruden a second year but I don’t know how Allen & McCloughan justify a 3rd unless the team nears .500 meaning 7-9, which I think it possible but still unlikely.

        Scot will find his next coach who will be a hard nose but respected coach. It could be Bill Callahan if he’s up for being a HC again, which I wonder if he is. I think the McVay experiment is over.

        Barry could stay – his concepts are good – he’s just missing players and Potroast has been the disappointment I thought he’d be.

        The assistant coaches will all be determined one who the Next HC is, I’d let him make that decision after he interviews staff.

        I’m sure McCloughan has a list of Hc candidates in his back pocket.

        • skinsgame - Oct 21, 2015 at 8:00 AM

          Your giving a pass to Barry due to injuries but Gruden has to go? Lol. The injuries don’t affect the HC?

        • abanig - Oct 21, 2015 at 9:42 AM

          It’s up to McCloughan and the next HC – if there is one on Barry. I thought I made that clear.

          Gruden is 1-10? Or something like that on the road. His team is getting out scored 46-3 in the 3rd quarter and it was as bad or worse last year. Gruden has to show something to stay employed after this season IMO.

          Zorn showed me more than Gruden has. Zorn had the same record as Gruden in 09 with less talent.

    • sidepull - Oct 20, 2015 at 9:23 AM

      I am looking forward to the Pats game. It is my favorite AFC team to root for. I know, I root for two of the most hated teams in the NFL. But I think its good for the Redskins to see what a professional football team looks like from the coaching and player perspective as well as what stability can do. They will get a real good idea of where they are at when they play the Pats. Pats are great at taking away your best and making you play from that point on. I wish they had more training camps with the Pats. Redskins will face a stiff challenge and who knows, if they win the turnover battle and score in the Redzone they might make a game of it. HTTR

    • Johnny B. - Oct 20, 2015 at 7:04 PM

      I am looking forward to the Patriots game. I want to see Grudens face when he sees how a good coach runs a offense. Maybe he will get a clue.

  7. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Oct 20, 2015 at 8:50 AM

    Seems we’re getting out-coached at halftime of every game.

    And our play-calling is too predictable. Yes, we want to run the ball, but the other team can’t have the luxury of assuming this will be the play.

  8. mr.moneylover - Oct 20, 2015 at 9:00 AM

    If we dont win next game jay gruden most likely will be fired at the end of the year…this is his staff hes playing the QB he mostly wanted to work with since bein hired as the redskins head coach and its his decision to have three people calling plays and its his decision not to call plays from his own playbook instead he want sean mcvay….so like I said in the beginning when a new GM come in most likely a new head coach will be coming in after if not that same year unless the coach who already been coaching have a winning record….the redskins are falling apart and jay gruden dont see it but everybody else who watching this team do see it..when we start getting blown out cause of players effort I wouldn’t be surprise if scot m. Get rid of some players and most of the coaching staff….this team got alot of talent to go 6-10 or 5-11 its the coaches who not making wise decisions or its the coaches not putting the team in the best postion to win and players will go out there not caring because if they out the playoff race with a bad record then players gonna think about the offseason and they gonna start thinking who they next coach gonna be just like recent pass….buckle up your seat belts in the next few weeks it can get real ugly at redskins park again

    • bangkokben - Oct 20, 2015 at 10:45 AM

      I don’t disagree with the assumption that Gruden will be fired at the end of the season if they lose on Sunday. That is certainly in the realm of plausibility with this owner and this franchise. What I do disagree with is this: “this team got alot of talent to go 6-10 or 5-11.”

      Josh LeRibeus, Ty Nsekhe, Derrick Carrier, Ryan Grant, Will Blackmon, Trent Murphy, and Trenton Robinson aren’t starting on 30 other NFL teams. That’s 1/3 of your starting team. Then you can mention Kirk Cousins, Spencer Long, Dashon Goldson, and a starting front seven defender of your choice as guys that wouldn’t start on 20 NFL teams. That’s half of your current starters. I’m not saying some of these guys aren’t ballin’ but I am disputing your claim that this team is chocked full of talent. This team has the talent of a 5-11 team but it needs to play like a .500 team.

      • skinsgame - Oct 20, 2015 at 11:20 AM

        I’d hold off on predictions of Grudens demise. The same people claiming how incompetent he is are the ones professing Scot Mc’s genius. If Scots a genius and Grudens “useless”, why couldn’t Scot see that to begin with?

        • bangkokben - Oct 20, 2015 at 11:39 AM

          The two aren’t mutually exclusive. Many times players remain on a team simply because it’s in the team’s best interest to keep them despite their performance. Cutting Bowen and Cofield last year didn’t have the same kind of financial benefit as it did this past off-season. Same goes for Andre Roberts.

          Conversely, Gruden is only in his 2nd of 5 guaranteed years. In addition, his 1st year he had to use Shanahan players, couldn’t start the rebuild on defense due to player contracts, and this year has had to choose his QB off the “kid’s menu.” As much as Griffin sycophants want to say Gruden chose ‘his’ QB, his only choice is between two inexperienced QBs that he did not draft.

          What Gruden will be judged on other than wins and losses is how his team responds despite the circumstances. So far, the team has played hard and not quit and the locker room has surprisingly been unified behind its coach and QB but the 3rd quarter is damning and undermining any perceived improvement.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 20, 2015 at 12:24 PM

          ” the locker room has surprisingly been unified behind its coach and QB but the 3rd quarter”
          Really? How sure are you of this?

        • bangkokben - Oct 20, 2015 at 1:38 PM

          Because when it isn’t there are leaks and it is reported. Not saying it will stay that way but at this point it is what it is.

          Even during Jim Zorn’s “success,” Clinton Portis was sharing what he thought of the “genius.”

        • skinsgame - Oct 20, 2015 at 1:44 PM

          If it’s supposedly a cost saving move, why not wait another 2 years? The roster will take a full 3 drafts and FA periods to become what Scot wanted. There is no evidence that he doesn’t believe in Gruden. What difference would $5 million make to a billionaire owner? Come on.

        • bangkokben - Oct 20, 2015 at 2:05 PM

          Skins, I provided both reasons for the plausibility of Gruden’s firing and reasons for keeping Gruden. Snyder and McC,AT THE END OF THE YEAR, have to determine if paying Gruden $15M NOT to coach is better for the team. Why would McC come right in here and change coaches thereby giving $20M of his new boss’ money away? NOBODY has those stones. Firing Gruden on arrival was never an option – and I doubted it was an option at the end of this season at the beginning of the season. But Gruden messed with the owner’s guy and at this present moment that is not working out for the coach. So every day that Griffin remains a Redskin and every loss the Redskins endure, it is plausible that Gruden will be on the chopping block.

    • mr.moneylover - Oct 20, 2015 at 5:33 PM

      Hes not making wise decisions….if this team lose against tampa bay they will be at 2-5 with new England waiting for them after the bye week witch will put them at 2-6 and the season will be over for sure…I see jay gruden talking smoove about kirk cousins but were was this when rg3 was the starter the first week after jay gruden was hired a story came out that jay gruden didnt never wanted to work with rg3 but he was more excited to work with kirk cousins….Andy dolten been putting up better numbers since jay gruden left the Bengals so that should say alot…I agree with the ppl who said jay gruden system is to complex and its a system for peyton manning or tom Brady and both will never walk threw that door so as a coach jay gruden should adjust his system so the QB wont make to many mistakes

      • abanig - Oct 20, 2015 at 6:30 PM

        Last year was a different Jay w/ the media. I know RG3 fans don’t want to hear that but it’s true. Gruden never bashed Griffin this whole offseason. Last season he bashed Kirk & Griffin (after Griffin blamed some of his troubles on teammates). Gruden hasn’t done that his season. He was pretty positive about Griffin all offseason.

        • brucefan1 - Oct 20, 2015 at 7:38 PM

          Aww c’mon adam!!

          No Jay didn’t bash Griffin at all this offseason … he planned his demise in a much more duplicitous & clandestine manner — by making it seem to all involved that he fully backed Robert as his starter and then first chance he got, and on the flimsiest of pretenses, pulled the rug out from under him.

          I ask you, which approach was the more decent and/or honorable? (BTW, “neither ” IS an acceptable answer.)

          Who else besides yours truly wouldn’t be surprised if all that bait-and-switch action didn’t register negatively with more than a few players. And that only winning “Jay’s way” woulda made it all OK in the end.

        • abanig - Oct 20, 2015 at 8:39 PM

          Id say the straw poll of the lockeroom after Griffin made comments about him being the best qb on the team and the league and him making other comments questioning the organization after the Detroit cost him quite a lot of support in the lockeroom.

          Players at that point are ready to go for the season, not ready to hear more Griffin drama.

          I don’t like how any of it went down, but if you’re going to ask me who had more support in the lockeroom between Cousins, Griffin & McCoy I’d go:

          1. McCoy
          2. Cousins
          3. Griffin

          I think a lot of the players love McCoy’s leadership qualities, his toughness, ability to improvise and how he takes blame for mistakes.

          You may say the last thing doesn’t matter, but I’ll disagree. I think Gruden has issues w/ players because he doesn’t accept enough blame either – even if it’s not his fault. I’ve said for a year that Gruden needs to have press conferences like Gibbs, but he just won’t do it. He can’t stand up there and say these guys fought hard and I messed up but we’ll get it fixed I’ll coach them better.

        • Skulb - Oct 21, 2015 at 3:27 AM


          This is just crazytalk man. You should write scripts for the Coen Brothers.

  9. mr.moneylover - Oct 20, 2015 at 9:07 AM

    Jay gruden and his staff will be fired at the end of the year if the record dont improve and if the team attitude dont change… they come out at halftime like they already won the game….thats a coaching problem who cant push his players buttons

    • sidepull - Oct 20, 2015 at 9:29 AM

      Right on the money.

  10. mr.moneylover - Oct 20, 2015 at 9:11 AM

    I believe jay gruden lost this team a lil bit after the falcons game and to see how flat Jay gruden play calling was and some players efforts against the jets comfirm my thoughts…dont be surprise if they come out flat and lose to the bucs

    • skinsgame - Oct 20, 2015 at 10:09 AM

      And if they come out and hammer them? Then what? Then you’ll complain that it was just the Bucs. You’d complain if you got hung with a new rope.

    • mr.moneylover - Oct 20, 2015 at 5:37 PM

      No it will be that jay gruden found something or did something to get his players fired up thats all something he struggling to do

      • skinsgame - Oct 20, 2015 at 8:37 PM

        You just said he lost the team. They won’t listen or respond to him in your scenario.

  11. 226thebeatdontstop - Oct 20, 2015 at 9:31 AM

    The blame for this mess is Bruce Allen . He hired an unproven coach who hasn’t displayed anything as far as coaching and developing a team is concerned. Allen also drafted Trent Murphy who is worthless on the field .

    Gruden was supposed to be an offensive guru an what he has done is destroy a previously successful running scheme and running back in Alfred Morris….Stunted the growth of two young quarterbacks in Griffin and Cousins , hired a failure as defensive coordinator when he could have hired Wade Phillips who has Denvers defense ranked number 1

    You hired a coach who is clueless once other teams study film an shutdown whatever he does…he is clueless at halftime, stubborn to believe his scheme is more important than playing to player strengths

    It was dysfunctional to hire Gruden an run a so called west coast offense, this offense has nothing west coast about it…

    Gruden gots to go ASAP..

    Allen probably gets a pass only because he hired Scott McCloughin

    • hk2000 - Oct 20, 2015 at 10:58 AM

      Exactly! You said it better than anyone here- including myself

    • skinsgame - Oct 20, 2015 at 11:09 AM

      This isn’t a “mess”, it’s a rebuild. Was it the studs at LB and safety that made you think this team was special? Was it the proven QB play? Was it the retention of all of the starters? The return of the entire coaching staff? Or was it the historical special teams and intangibles that just had you thinking that this team was gonna kick butt? Was it how healthy the team has been? Please, share with us what you guys both just KNEW about the team that none of the professionals did.

      The irony is, your post reads like I’d imagine Dan Snyders might’ve a few years ago.

    • brucefan1 - Oct 20, 2015 at 11:20 AM

      Don’t worry about Bruce Allen … by all indications he’s just an empty suit these days – glad-hander and a nickname-defender who does not wield any real power any more. Thank goodness.

      (Btw, I am NOT a fan of Bruce ALLEN!! LOL! Heck, the Allen family are probably not even fans of his; bet they all fawn on his bro, Gov. “macaca” George. No love for li’l Brucie even amongst his clan?)

      That being said, Allen is no doubt fairly culpable for some of the biggest mistakes that this team has made in the last few years, from rubber-stamping the king’s ransom shelled out for RG3’s rights, to the hiring of his homeboy Gruden, to any number of other dumb decisions in between.

      Let’s just hope tho that the LAST decision he probably had a hand in –the hiring of Scotie Mac — was his best decision. Because until further notice, THAT is the only guy we all want piloting the ship and getting it back on a winning course. No one else.

      Bruce? He can just continue to greet the new passengers as they get on board. And maybe provide some ballast.

      • bangkokben - Oct 20, 2015 at 11:42 AM

        And I always thought your moniker was a tribute to Allen and not Springsteen. Oh well, what do I know?

        • brucefan1 - Oct 20, 2015 at 12:44 PM

          Haha! Yer playin’ me, right ben?

          Either way … NOW you know!!

    • mr.moneylover - Oct 20, 2015 at 5:45 PM

      Jay gruden said he didnt want to hire wade Phillips was because he was to old but I think jay gruden was so scared that wade Phillips was gonna do so good on defense that he will lose his job to wade Phillips so as jay gruden why not go out there and pick somebody that had worst success in the pass to be your defensive coordinator….jay gruden couldve pick jim schwartz as defensive coordinator or wade Phillips but instead he pick joe barry somebody whose unproven just like him

      • abanig - Oct 20, 2015 at 6:10 PM

        @avbanig: Cooley gave KC a D+.Pro football Focus gave him worst grade of all qbs. -4.5

    • Skulb - Oct 21, 2015 at 3:29 AM

      No it is a WCO and that was why he was hired. It´s just being run very well on a consistent basis. These fan narratives are very tedious and not based on facts. Personally I think people just watch too much TV and look at the real world as a television soap opera when it isn´t.

      • abanig - Oct 21, 2015 at 8:42 AM

        Allen took a chance on an up and coming coordinator who was credited with taking a spread college qb – Andy Dalton – and have him play better than most Redskins qbs have in the past 20 years in his first few seasons.

        Gruden was qualified for a head Cushing job. Just because he’s qualified doesn’t mean he’s a good HC though. I think it’s still yet to be determined on Gruden. I’m not a huge Gruden fan but I also think he’s still developing as a head coach, just as Cousins is still developing as an NFL Qb.

        • Skulb - Oct 21, 2015 at 11:00 AM

          I agree fully with this. It´s too early to tell. I mean even Gibbs had a bit of rough start in his day, yet I bet most Skins fans were glad he was allowed to stay once it was all said and done.

  12. crazyallives - Oct 20, 2015 at 10:34 AM

    Another 2 pick game, or another 3rd Qtr collapse should spell the end for Jay and silent Bruce. Jay for sticking with Captain Pick and Allen for bringing in Jon’s chubby, and less capable brother. Just like everyone is saying, those 3rd quarter collapses are all about coaching. They’re getting out coached every week. I’m old enough to remember the magic Gibbs 1.0 had at half time. His adjustments were legendary. That’s the sign of a good coach. When the opposite is happening that is the sign of a coach that is in over his head.

  13. hk2000 - Oct 20, 2015 at 10:53 AM

    I think I saw complete team breakdown in the second half- it’s as if the coach said something that offended a lot of the players and they just came out and laid an egg because they don’t want to play for him anymore. Anyone sensed that? I don’t know, I may be imaging the whole thing, but I had that distinct feeling they were mailing it in.

    • mr.moneylover - Oct 20, 2015 at 5:50 PM

      Its been a problem since week 1…..but I dont think the team trust jay gruden decision making nomore but they do show what they capable of if they get the right coaches who can make adjustments and know how to push his team buttons…

  14. hk2000 - Oct 20, 2015 at 10:55 AM

    Why can’t we do what Miami did? put an interim coach in and see how it goes, can’t be worse than what we got now, can it?

    • bangkokben - Oct 20, 2015 at 11:20 AM

      Bring back Terry Robiske! That worked great, remember?

    • skinsgame - Oct 20, 2015 at 11:21 AM

      Spoken like Dan Snyder.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 20, 2015 at 12:29 PM

        If that statement “was spoken” like Dan Snyder then it would have happened already. Apparently you are still living in season 2003.

        • skinsgame - Oct 20, 2015 at 1:36 PM

          Actually, it’s fans that are so ridiculous that think we should somehow be winning through a rebuild that are living in 2003. Dan seems to keeping his head of late. Firing a head coach this soon, which is what half these folks here want, would be classic Dan.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 20, 2015 at 2:56 PM

          I don’t advocate firing Gruden right now but I’ve never shied away from my dislike of the hire or the man himself. The guaranteed contract makes it difficult, but I can see why some want him out now. I can also understand why you don’t see the value in firing him now. My position is wait out the season with Gruden and see if some miracle, a la 2012, can take hold. Even if the season continues to spiral downward, there won’t be many sound candidates ready to interview until the season ends. The bigger issue with even an end of season firing could be finding a reputable coach willing to come here as head coach. This fickle organization churns through coaches faster than some teams do players.

          Snyder and Bruce should have hired Bevell over Gruden. That is if both really wanted to hold out hope for RG3 as the starter. Bevell coached atypical quarterbacks like Farve and Wilson so it seems it would have been a good fit for him. The Gruden hire IMO will go down as one of the worst front office decisions since Marty Schottenheimer was prematurely released and Cerrato was then rehired.

        • skinsgame - Oct 20, 2015 at 3:27 PM

          I just don’t see things as that dire yet. I think things could be better, sure, but this is pretty much along the script here. This is not some loaded team that is underperforming.

        • hail74 - Oct 20, 2015 at 7:03 PM

          Yes, why didn’t we hire the coach of a worse offense than ours to coach up rg3 to really excel at one play, the scramble drill.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 20, 2015 at 11:09 PM

          I’m sorry Hail, did you miss the two Super Bowls Seattle played in and dominated one of those while they should have won the other? Do you think Gruden can ever get the Redskins there? He couldn’t get past the first playoff game at Cincy with that one dimensional offensive scheme and that was with some of the best offensive talent in the NFL. Gruden couldn’t out wit Bevell in his sleep.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 20, 2015 at 11:13 PM

          Skinsgame, Gruden has all the talent any offensive coordinator could ask for at Cincinnati. He had probably the best offense line, a nice set of running backs, an elite receiving group, and a QB he was “supposed” to have developed. Every year they’d flopped in the playoffs and the offense was most the blame each time. There is a reason Cincinnati celebrated his departure and look where they are headed now. In the opposite direction of the Redskins without him.

        • abanig - Oct 21, 2015 at 9:15 AM

          So let’s get this straight, the Bengals lost to better teams in the playoffs. They lost to current or former pro bowl qbs when their O may have talented but it was extremely young.

          You know what’s sad for Redskins nation. We’d all give our left nuts to have Marvin Lewis back and be just like the bengals have been over the last 13 years!

          Lol! That’s how far this franchise has fallen.

        • hail74 - Oct 21, 2015 at 6:45 AM

          Everybody and their mother knows seattles success is built off heir defense followed by marshawn lynch. Fans in Seattle were ready to fire bevell after week one, but feel free to continue to pick ala cart the bits and pieces you like to make your opinion seem better than everyone else’s

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 21, 2015 at 10:03 AM

          “We’d all give our left nuts to have Marvin Lewis back and be just like the bengals have been over the last 13 years!”

          No arguing that statement. It’s a very interesting point!

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 21, 2015 at 10:12 AM

          Who ran those offensive plays for Lynch, Hail? Are you getting a clue yet? It was the offensive coordinator who not only oversaw the run game but continued to successfully run the read option when every novice fan claimed defense found a way to stop it. This was with an undersized QB.

          Russell Wilson 206 yards passing and 2 passing TDs and 0 interceptions with a 88 QBR out played Manning 280 yards passing 1 TD and 2 interceptions with a 24.4 QBR.

          Russell Wilson 247 yards passing and 2 passing TDs and 1 interception with a 90.8 QBR play toe-to-toe with Brady 328 yards passing 4 TD and 2 interceptions with a 81.1 QBR.

          I’m not saying my opinion is better than anyone else’s but I’m saying it certainly better than yours in this case.

  15. bangkokben - Oct 20, 2015 at 11:16 AM

    Here’s some statistical food for thought.

    Russell Wilson has a standard QBR of 98.7, he has thrown 7 TDs and 3 INTs but has been sacked 26 times this year. His team is 2-4.

    Ryan Fitzpatrick has a QBR of 83.4, he has thrown for 9 TDs and 7 INTs but has only been TWICE. The Jets are 4-1.

    Both teams try to get it done with defense and a strong running game. For what it’s worth the Jets are #1 in rushing and Seattle is #2. In total defense, the Jets are #1 and Seattle is #4. The Redskins are “designed” similarly but have a long way to go. Currently our team is still #8 in total yards allowed but in the past two weeks have fallen from #1 in rushing to #17.

    Of course there are other factors to the Jets and Seahawks records than just the number of sacks a QB takes but are they?

    • abanig - Oct 20, 2015 at 1:07 PM

      Turnovers? Turnovers lose you games. Matt Jones’ fumbles, Kirk Cousins’ ints.

      Skins were on a roll in overtime vs the Falcons till the pick 6 happened.

      Skins were on a roll on Sunday vs the jets till Cousins made his worst decision of the season and would have thrown a pick 6 to Revis if the pass wasn’t so bad that it also makes Revis dive and fall after catching it.

      • abanig - Oct 20, 2015 at 1:09 PM

        Also, the OL is average to below average in Seattle. Their TE can’t block. Their D was w/o one of their top defenders to start the season. Some of their early games would have been won of Kam was on the field.

        • bangkokben - Oct 20, 2015 at 1:52 PM

          When you get to back to back SBs you establish some credit. If it was the Redskins, the “reasons” you listed would just be excuses.

          -Below average OL – this was the case in the last two years also. Perhaps it is worse trading it’s center.
          -Their TE can’t block. Yeah, they traded their center for their current TE. Seems dumb now, huh? At least they got a guy who can catch now.
          -Kam wins games. Sounds reasonable to me too, except that their record since Kam has returned is 2-2 including a win against Detroit and in the fashion that they won (Super defensive play aided by an obviously missed call by the officials.) and a win against the Jimmy Clausen led Bears. Losing to Carolina and Cincinnati is nothing to be ashamed about but there’s no way you’re going to convince me that they beat Green Bay with Kam. The Rams, sure. I’ll buy that.

        • abanig - Oct 20, 2015 at 3:32 PM

          I don’t disagree with anything you wrote, just answering your question.

          Also, the first two games without Kam were games that Kam’a back up made mistakes in and missed tackles. Dion Bailey got cut after the Rams game.

          You put Kam in and there’s a better chance they win that game.

          Let’s not downplay Marshawn Lynch’s injury either. Those two reasons are huge reasons along with a suspect OL after losing 2 good maybe great? interior off lineman – Unger & Carpenter as to why the Seahawks have looked average so far.

      • bangkokben - Oct 20, 2015 at 1:35 PM

        That certainly explains the Redskins. But looking at Seattle, they have thrown three interceptions and lost four fumbles. Conversely, they have intercepted three passes but have forced six fumbles, recovering five and returning two for touchdowns.

        • abanig - Oct 20, 2015 at 3:42 PM

          They’ve blown a lot of assignments in the OL and in the secondary, particularly from Kam’s replacements the first few weeks.

      • hail74 - Oct 20, 2015 at 7:07 PM

        Didnt we get more TOs than the jets? If only cousins had tackled Fitzpatrick as he was jogging 20 yards down field for a td, maybe we could have gotten some momentum back.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 20, 2015 at 11:18 PM

          If only Cousins could manufacture more than one touchdown a game then we may have a few more wins. I guess you wallow in mediocrity. Let me guess Hail, you never played a game where you kept score either!

        • hail74 - Oct 21, 2015 at 6:48 AM

          No I did Which is why I’m the one advocating for total team accountability and your the one saying everyone should get participation trophies except gruden and cousins.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 21, 2015 at 10:18 AM

          Accountability on offense always starts with the QB. Cousins is 6 touchdowns to 8 interceptions and is ranked 43rd in QBR. The QB is the key to moving the offense and one with those stats is easy to tell by anyone not bias that he is right now the primary impediment in the offense. Quite defending the indefensible.

      • Skulb - Oct 21, 2015 at 3:40 AM

        Sacks lose you games as well when they happen as often as they did with our QBs last year. Griffin was sacked 33 times in 9 games in 2014 and despite the narrative of his supporters many of them were his fault. And they both killed drives and lost games. If you add in the fumbles it gets even worse. Fumbling the ball behind the LOS is worse than throwing an INT and Griffin did a few times too. And he has 6 INTs to 4 TDs so there was nothing exciting about his passing even when he wasn´t sacked..
        I agree that Kirk has to stop throwing so many INTs or at least be accurate when he doesn´t throw them. Nobody disagrees there. But what is the alternative here? That´s what I don´t understand.
        I see three QBs I didn´t necessarily want to start the season for the Redskins. But you have to choose. And once you have chosen you have to stick with that choice through some rough patches. As bad as the last two games were from Cousins you actually can win anyway if you have a running game. Sam Bradford threw three INTs on Monday and the Eagholes still blew out New York because they were able to run to take the pressure off Bradford. Bad Eli played exactly the same as Kirk did: one good drive and a TD followed by nothing but mistakes, bad throws and a general bupkis on the offense. And the parallel is that neither of them had a running game and neither of them had a defense capable of stopping the running game.

        • colmac69 - Oct 21, 2015 at 11:42 AM

          Gd points there esp comparing eagles and giants

          We all forget manning has thrown 10 ints (inc some that have bn worse than cousins) but his defense has bailed him out all season

          Rodgers threw three ints vs rams but strong defense won game

          Bottom line is winning…cousins could throw ints in nxt six games but we win five of them to stand at 6-5 for example and all b rosy in garden

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 21, 2015 at 11:50 AM

          Why are any of you comparing Superbowl proven HOF bound QBs to Cousins. That is apples to Oranges. When those QBs throw bad INTs they make up for it with great passes and offensive drives. Cousins hasn’t shown he is capable of this.

        • Skulb - Oct 21, 2015 at 12:15 PM


          I was comparing him to Bad Eli who almost singlehandedly lost a division game for the Giants. Good Eli may well end up in the HoF, but bad Eli will never be considered. When Manning is bad he just does it bigger and better here. I was trying to point out the fact that both Manning and Bradford played horribly. The game was decided by the running game and the defenses. The Eagholes managed to stop the run and put pressure on Eli while maintaining good coverage. The Giants failed stopping the run and their secondary looked like they were blind. I mean Bradford was awful awful and they still won. That was my main point.
          My second point was that Eli Manning played worse against Philly than Kirk did against the Jets, which is saying something. AND he was still the best QB in that game because Bradford was so incredibly bad. AND the Giants lost anyway. This is quite astounding to me, but it also demonstrates that we´re not the only team with QB issues in this division.

    • brucefan1 - Oct 20, 2015 at 1:08 PM

      Some good points. What the Seahawks have been going thru so far this season is pretty unbelievable, but I think you’ll agree that while it IS a fun diversion, it’s a bit of a stretch to compare them to this Redskins team in any meaningful way, shape, or form. (Vintage 1991 Skins? Now we’re talkin!)

      I mean, when teams come with big free agent bucks to sign Redskin BACK UPS, like they do Seattle’s (DB’s Byron Maxwell & Jeron Johnson come immediately to mind), then I’ll know they’re breathing rarefied air.

      (And I don’t think anyone will be too shocked if the Hawks manage to make it into the playoffs this season anyway. Right?)

      • bangkokben - Oct 20, 2015 at 2:09 PM

        I’m not comparing their talent nor their recent accomplishments; just their design – same architect btw.

        If it helps you, think of 2015 Redskins and 2011 Seahawks.

        • brucefan1 - Oct 20, 2015 at 2:45 PM

          Only gotta go back to 2011 to trace the Seahawks starting point? From your keyboard to the football gods’ ears!

          I hope Scot had as much input into that process as we think he did.

          (But then, we Skins fans should only have to go back to 2012 to find a starting point for their most recent rebuild. But now that all seems like it never even happened.)

        • abanig - Oct 20, 2015 at 3:23 PM

          I’d say 2012 wasn’t a rebuild. It was a how can we win now season to save our jobs?

          If it was a rebuild season, Griffin would have been used differently and Griffin wouldn’t have played for the rest of the season after severely spraining his knee against the Ravens.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Oct 20, 2015 at 11:28 PM

      Bang, you are using statistics of 5 games to prove an end result that hasn’t yet happened. If I had my money on either team,

      You have to consider the fact they haven’t played the same teams.
      –The Jets played Cleveland, Indy, Philly, Miami, and the Redsksins.
      –The Seahawks played St. Louis, Green Bay, Chicago, Detroit, and Carolina.

      I’d say Seattle schedule is far more superior. Sure Seattle hurt themselves giving up Max Unger for Jimmy Graham. I’d still bet my money on the Seahawks ending out the season better than the Jets.

      • bangkokben - Oct 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM

        I said: “food for though.” I don’t think I “proved” anything. Just noticed a trend. I’d agree with you as to where both teams end up but that is based on an outsider’s view of the teams and those teams’ track records. We all have faith that Seattle is a good team that will get it turned around and that the Jets are team on the rise with a pedestrian QB that will somehow sabotage them when they need him the most. Look at the Jets one loss. The Eagles took away the run, forced turnovers, and hung on to win. Same formula for beating the Redskins.

  16. 226thebeatdontstop - Oct 20, 2015 at 11:58 AM

    What baffles me is why other teams coaches have the football intelligence to look at film and figure out the Redskins offensive an defensive tendencies but our coaches can’t

    Why isn’t more being made about the poor play of Murphy and Kerrigan? Or about the unwillingness of the defensive coordinator to blitz or try something to generate pressure?

    This idiot Gruden ruined a good running back and scheme I just don’t get how this local media gives him a pass…

    This nonsense that Cousins gives the team the best option to win is ridiculous , look at his record have we forgotten its about wins an losses…Grudens road record is 1-10;.

    It’s not code red this head coach is an embarrasent to the Redskin organization

    McCloughin needs to hire his guy ,Bruce Allen failed miserably hiring Gruden .Gruden reminds me of Zorn and Spurrier. They are all losers but leave the Redskins with large bank accounts

    • abanig - Oct 20, 2015 at 1:02 PM

      1. The redskins org is an embarrassment in itself in just about every way possible.

      2. The redskins don’t have a qb that gives them a great chance to win so, Gruden went with the qb who runs his offense the best – you can feel how you want about that but that’s true.

      3. The Redskins are in a catch 22 on D just like every season since 2009 except 2011. Their pass rush is average, their secondary is average to below average – especially since Culliver & Hall’s injuries.

      You can blitz often and expose your secondary or you can play mostly soft to protect against big plays but then expose yourself to the bend and try not to break D. When you play like that you need your front 4/5 to be stout vs the run and rush the passer well, they aren’t doing either.

      So go ahead and blitz and then we’ll hear people complain about it like when Haz used to blitz all the time and go 1 on 1 and the opposing wrs would beat our lbs & dbs for big plays.

    • brucefan1 - Oct 20, 2015 at 1:25 PM

      Didn’t you hear? According to Gru, the Redskins don’t have tenderizes! As in the way the Jets gashed them with the running game on Sunday was very different from the way the Falcs did it two weeks ago. So no tendencies there either! (Please correct me if I got the gist of his explanation wrong.)

      So far the Skins have seemed about the most predictable team in the league this season (during Jay’s entire tenure even?). If they are ever gonna shake some stuff up … present a new look to their opponents … and really catch them off guard, they better start doing it against a very beatable Buccaneers team. (Although I’m sure they’re saying that exact same thing about the Skins, IN SPADES even, down in the land of Cuban sandwiches. Ummmm …. Cuban sandwiches!!)

  17. abanig - Oct 20, 2015 at 12:54 PM

    They are who we thought they were… Below average!

    Didn’t matter who was starting this season, the team was a 7-9/8-8 team at best. I firmly believe that and did before the season began.

    Defense is better, but not better than average even if they were 100%. Offense is inconsistent no matter who’s playing at qb and even if they were 100%.

    The coaches don’t know to put their players in the best position to win, particularly on offense.

    • skinsgame - Oct 20, 2015 at 1:57 PM

      What are they holding back with? Do you suppose Callahan is teaching offensive linemen how to pass block but secretly sabotaging the run blocking techniques? Are they refusing to let players remain healthy? Punishing WR’s if they catch the ball? If the players are blameles, why aren’t they executing?

      • goback2rfk - Oct 20, 2015 at 4:35 PM

        I think they are just not consistent. The players on the team that are the kind of guys that have a great game ever now and then. They do not play well every game or week to week. Take Tom Brady for instance, he plays well every game no matter what. The Redskins may play well for 1 game stretches for whatever reason. No consistency. Same thing last year. Remember when they beat Dallas and then came back the next week and sucked. Its the curse of the Redskins.

        • abanig - Oct 20, 2015 at 8:53 PM

          You mean when they beat Tenn, Dallas had a bye week with McCoy and the HC was told he had to start Griffin vs Minnesota and while Griffin played average and above average at times in the game he was rusty and messed with the chemistry we started to build under McCoy.

          They sucked the next week. Griffin was flustered early by two ints – one being a pick six – and one not being his fault when Paul couldn’t coral a low pass in the first play of the game. It spiraled from there. The D played horrible as well. Then Griffin went on to play worse vs a great 49er D in a game we almost won and he was benched for McCoy.

        • goback2rfk - Oct 20, 2015 at 8:58 PM

          I do not care who plays at QB they are still inconsistent. The last real winning streak they had was with rookie RG3 in 2012. They never win games in bunches. Rex Cousins is not capable of playing consistently to win multiple games in a row.
          I know you are Cousins fan and hell I like the guy to but if the lose to TB at home and go into the bye week I am sure Cousins wont start again this year. Play the rest of the season out with Colt. Rex Cousins is not developing at all. Except he only throws like 2 INT’s a game instead of 3 or 4 like last year.

        • abanig - Oct 21, 2015 at 9:19 AM

          McCoy didn’t have the chance to go 3-0 or 4-0 or 5-0 last season. He went 2-0 and got benched because Griffin was close to being 100% again.

          We’ll never know, but I think Colt beats the Vikings, Bucs & 49ers last year if he had played.

      • crazyallives - Oct 20, 2015 at 4:59 PM

        I hear former players say that it all comes down to player execution etc. I know why players want to believe that but history shows that coaches make the biggest impact. Every dynasty I can think of began right after a coaching hire. And I’m talking within a season of that coach taking over. Am I wrong?

        Not that I expect us to find that one in a hundred hall of fame coach right away, but I’m using this as evidence that good coaches make the same ole players look better and they do it pretty quickly. There are even coordinators that make big impacts right away. Had we hired W Phillips to coach our D, we’d be much better right now. He’s not a HC but he turns defenses around in less than a season. He’s done it time and time again.

        • abanig - Oct 20, 2015 at 6:37 PM

          Sure our D would be better with Wade Phillips if we had also signed Von Miller, Aquib Talib, DeMarcus Ware, Chris Harris, TJ Ward, and Darrian Stewart and didn’t have the waste of space Potroast.

          Many of us wanted to sign a FS like Kendrick Lewis or Darrian Stewart, instead we traded for an over the hill and overpaid Golston so that’s that.

        • hail74 - Oct 20, 2015 at 7:18 PM

          How many super bowls did belicheck take Cleveland to in the 5 years he coached there?

        • hail74 - Oct 20, 2015 at 7:19 PM

          How many losing seasons did Landry have before the Cowboys became a dynasty?

        • hail74 - Oct 20, 2015 at 7:20 PM

          Is Barry Switzerland around? He won a Super Bowl in his first year! That’s some serious coaching ’em up!

        • skinsgame - Oct 20, 2015 at 8:56 PM

          It just doesn’t make any sense to fire a head coach in less than 3 years, Jim Zorn notwithstanding. These coaches are developing too. Bill Walsh was 2-14 in his first year and 6-10 in his next. If the front office in Frisco did what you guys are trying to do, he would’ve been fired 5 or 6 games into his second season. It’s ridiculous to have expectations as high as this of a team rebuilding. No, they aren’t consistent. If they were, they’d be 5-1 right now.

        • abanig - Oct 20, 2015 at 8:59 PM

          I usually agree with this, but Gruden and many of the coaches/players still aren’t McCloughan guys. When the new GM comes in we all should know that means qb changes, coaching changes etc if the team doesn’t win. The GM isn’t going to stick his neck on the line for coaches he didn’t hire, and players he didn’t sign or draft.

    • hail74 - Oct 20, 2015 at 7:16 PM

      With 18 teams currently sitting at 2 or fewer wins, I would say we’re actually very average.

      • brucefan1 - Oct 20, 2015 at 7:55 PM

        Haha! Good point.

        Ever the glass-half-full guy! You gotta be great to be around on a daily basis!!

        Fact of the matter is, tho, there IS a lotta room to move on up for many of teams — including the Redskins. That NFC East remains ripe for the taking! STILL some time … if they get their schlitz together.

        And I for one will gladly eat a MESS o’ crow, while wearing dried on egg all over my face, THROUGHOUT the playoffs if the Skins ever do decide to rise up and snatch this division from those NFC-E pretenders! HTTR

        • hail74 - Oct 20, 2015 at 8:32 PM

          You know how it is, after 20 years of yelling at the tv you finally realize nothing you say or do matters, so may as well focus on the positives. I’m just glad I live in Cleveland so I don’t have to worry about my son growing up to root for another team. Redskins forever here. I truly do think times are changing tho, patience is a virtue

        • goback2rfk - Oct 20, 2015 at 8:49 PM

          7 Head Coaches in the last 15 Years. Say good Bye Gruden! Don’t let the door hit yah where the good Lord split yah!
          The Skins will screw it up and loose to TB next week. Going into the bye on a huge losing streak. Paving the way for the interim HC. If they lose to TB I don’t think Kirk is going to be the starter after the bye week.
          All you RgMe haters out there get ready cause Danny boy needs to sell some tickets and concessions and the Redskins need a Spark!

  18. abanig - Oct 20, 2015 at 3:59 PM

    I didn’t mention Callahan, he’s doing a marvelous job with a group that was average at best from 2010 – 2014.

    I’m talking about Gruden & McVay here. This is two years in a row where defenses are catching up to our schemes and tendencies after two weeks and shutting our offense down. Injuries are killing our running game, we have a converted WR playing TE who is worse than our injured converted WR playing TE ever was at blocking. His back up is worse than him at blocking despite weighing the same as most OLBs and some DEs in the NFL.

    There are plenty of things Gruden & McVay can do scheme wise to put their players in better positions to succeed in the passing game. They can use double moves to get safeties to bite on shorter routes and then have the wrs go up the field.

    How about some SLGO’s, how about some out and ups, how about more option routes? They need to try some post and “straight go” patterns to keep the defense honest but use double moves to set them up. How bout a dig route off of play action? How about play action period? We don’t run enough of it, we don’t run enough bootleg action. They need to run more screens to slow down the opposing pass rush and the run blitzes that are killing our running game.

    Seriously, it’s the same as last year no matter who played qb. Almost every time it’s a straight back 3 or 5 step drop and a short to itermediate route that the Dbs are sitting on.

    We need more variety, more motion, different looks and different formstions out of our offense. We need to confuse defenses and keep them on their heels. We need to keep them guessing on what we’re going to do, not calling out plays before we snap it.

  19. kenlinkins - Oct 20, 2015 at 6:46 PM

    While I am not 100% sure that Sundays game is a “tipping point” for the Redskins in general, it is a “tipping point” for both Cousins and Gruden. Other teams have found out that it is better to stuff the run and allow Cousins to throw short and middle level passes against a second rate pass rush. With Cousins being so off target and still making mistakes (i.e. INT’s) that teams will only play the run vs. him, he must now prove that he can make them pay for using that system. If he can not, then he has topped out and is not a true NFL starting QB. As for Head Coach Gruden, going 2-5 to start a season where 5-2 was there for the taking just will not do, Also , the 3rd quarter problems are still there and have not been corrected, add to that his statement about “I can not wait to get my hurt players back” was just NFL Head Coach like. It is no way to get depth players into the fight. Remember, it was Tampa Bay that took the Redskins to 3-7 when most fans believed that 5-5 was in the cards. To allow the Buc’s to kill another season just will not look good for the head coach. IMO Both Cousins and Gruden have more on the line this week than most of the Redskins players. Maybe the young guns will pick up the team and get a win, but last Sunday Breeland’s efforts were wasted in the 3rd quarter by a head coach who can not seem to do what other head coach’s do at half time. This coach must prove he made the correct call on Cousins and find a way to beat Tampa Bay.

  20. goback2rfk - Oct 20, 2015 at 9:17 PM

    Woo Hoo I am on a role tonight. Kirk Cousins is surely the worst starting QB in the league. If he is not he is in the bottom 5 and there is no arguing that. You can not win consistently with a bottom 5 QB.
    I want to give Drew Brees a chance next season. I am tired of all these pretty boy college QB’s that do not know how to run the pro style offense.

    And Desean Jackson, what the hell is your major malfunction? Dez Bryant has full on surgery and is already back ready to go. Desean pulls a little Hammy and cant go the entire season. Either the trainers suck around Redskins Park or Desean Jackson likes collecting money on the sideline.

    And Kerrigan, im watching you like a hawk Mr 56 Million dollar man. 11 Million a year plus a 16 million dollar sign on bonus and you play like you have weights holding you down.

    In positive news, Breeland needs a long term contract.

    • abanig - Oct 20, 2015 at 10:01 PM

      Drew Brees was once a college spread qb, who Mary Schotenheimer and AJ Smith gave up on in favor of PHILLIP Rivers. It took Brees 3 seasons to really develop as an NFL quality pocket passer. Drew is in his 15th season and he’ll be 37 in January.

      Skins need to find their own qb through the draft and sign a different vet or re-sign Kirk or McCoy to be a stop gap.

      Djax suffered a serious hamstring injury. You don’t mess with hamstrings as we found out last week when he tweaked it which put his availability for the TB game and even the pats game in jeopardy.

      Kerrigan has been a disappointment. I said before that I wouldn’t have signed him to a long term deal until after this season because of his knee surgery. We needed to see how he recovered from that, to me he looks slower, less athletic, and isn’t able to set the edge well since his knee surgery.

      Breeland can’t be re-signed yet, he’s on his rookie deal.

      • goback2rfk - Oct 20, 2015 at 10:16 PM

        We just tried to “find” a QB in the draft in 2012 and gave up everything, how did that work out?
        So now you want to try the draft again on another unproven college player that could take another 3 years to develop. Seems high risk to me.Look at Cousins, these college guys sometimes do not develop as expected. I want to see what a proven talent can do with our squad whether he is 37 years old or not.

        • abanig - Oct 21, 2015 at 9:53 AM

          Been there tried that with a washed up McNabb in 2010. Brees has less arm strength now than McCoy because of multiple shoulder problems. He’s not worth the risk. He’s going to command a high salary and he’d be nothing more than a place holder.

          I don’t think Brees is leaving New Orleans and if they chose to move on, I think he retires.

        • goback2rfk - Oct 21, 2015 at 8:58 PM

          Comparing McFlabb to Brees is a stretch. The QB selection in next years draft will be OK. But there is no one that really stands out that much to me. I guess we will wait and see. If we do not lose out we will not get a high enough pick to get a QB anyway. And I am sure Scotty boy does not want to trade up like we did in 2012.
          I still think Rob may be the starter next year. Until they get rid of Rg3 its hard not to assume he is not being kept around for some reason or another.

      • goback2rfk - Oct 20, 2015 at 10:23 PM

        This information comes right off of sports website:

        Time it takes to heal from a sports injury to a hamstring.

        2 – 5 days for a grade 1 injury.

        “Up to a few weeks or around a month for grade 2 or 3 injuries. If the injury is very close to the buttock or knee or there is a lot of bruising: This may mean the hamstring was pulled off the bone. Even the most severe hamstring injuries are completely healed within 6 weeks.”

        There are players that pulled the hammy completely off the bone and are back in 4 to 5 weeks. Either our trainers suck, or he re-injured himself in practice and they are calling it a “twinge.”
        Sounds like to me he pulled his hammy again in practice and now they do not want to admit it that he is not coming back for another 4 weeks.

        Either way, if you can not play you get gone like Orakpo and I see Mr. Jackson getting gone if he can not get back on the field.

        • abanig - Oct 21, 2015 at 9:48 AM

          Oh, you found that on the internet so it must be true right?

          Look, every player is different, they all have different bodies. There is no set definite timetable for an injury. That’s why they give a range.

          I agree he did more than have a “twinge” in practice last week. Someone told me he’s going to be out another 5 weeks, but the source is going off a similar injury he had in Hs, so take that with a can of Mortons salt!

        • goback2rfk - Oct 21, 2015 at 8:55 PM

          Desean Jackson is a softy. He is injury prone and he is a liability. He is not worth it. There is a reason the Eagles let him go and those reasons were “football reasons”

    • Skulb - Oct 21, 2015 at 3:54 AM

      That depends what stats you look at. In completion % Cousins is actually top 10. In sacks taken he is top 5. In yards gained he is #16. In first downs he is top 5.
      Where he is bad is in yards pr attempt and interceptions. But no it can most certainly be argued that he by no means is a bottom five QB, and you are stating your opinion as fact. He does many things well; you just refuse to see it.

      As for Jackson he is a disgrace. He spent the PS shooting reality TV and then pulled a hammy the first time he took off in the season because he wasn´t in match form at all. They cut him too much slack and now the team is paying for it. If he was serious about his job he would have showed up day 1 of TC and never left. Clearly he is not serious about his job.

      • abanig - Oct 21, 2015 at 5:04 AM

        While Cousins played his worst half of the season in the second half vs the Jets and it was one of the worst halves for a starting qb all season, his entire body of work is still of an average qb.

        The key for him is rebounding. Last year he couldn’t, and he lost his job. This year he must rebound again to keep his job. I know he knows that, he must not press though.

        He has to be more patient in letting his first reads developing downfield, he has to start extending some plays to allow wrs time to get open – both in the pocket & out – he must be more decisive and accurate with the football than he’s been in 1/2 the games he’s played this season.

        I personally don’t think it’s “code red” on the season – I still think McCoy is an upgrade over Cousins in most categories – but I do think it’s code red on Cousins’ career in DC and in Jay Gruden as a HC for the skins.

        • Skulb - Oct 21, 2015 at 5:22 AM

          Considering that it is Tampa at home I agree. This is a must win for any number of reasons. But Cousins has already rebounded once this season and went from a relatively terrible Giants game to leading a game winning drive against the Eagles. So he is definitely capable of it. And to most of us anything but a defeat away at the Jets would have been mildly surprising with the injury situation being the way it was.
          I´ve been saying this all year: whoever they choose as the starting QB needs to be given the entire season and not yanked as soon as he has a bad game or faces adversity. That will solve absolutely nothing and will make it hard to evaluate the team, which was what happened last year when Griffin´s injury started a QB carousel. Cousins´ DC career is either over or continues after week 17 and not after the Tampa game. And I think the same should be, and probably is, the case with Gruden. This endless musical chair act on the HC and QB position is a large part of why this team has been so bad for the last 20 years. And it is now time to put a stop to it by making the best decisions possible regarding these two jobs before the season and then sticking with them.
          Even when Griffin was spry and doing well in 2012 he caused more of this instability by sacrificing his health for a few extra yards. That was a SB year the way he was going, cut short by the inevitable injury because he didn´t protect himself. And now he´s no longer the same, the offense is no longer the same and he has basically played a large part in putting the team where is currently is, through no intention or fault of his own. It´s just the truth. The Skins spent the equivalent of three draft classes on him and roughly 22 million dollars. This investment resulted in a seven game winning streak (Most of those games were close btw) in 2012 in a somewhat sleight of hand offense that has since moved to Atlanta, an anemic 3-13 season with a knee brace and a 4-12 season of incompetence, more injuries and a QB carousel.
          Decisions need to be made to counteract this never ending chaos. If that means riding it out with an average QB then so be it. I will go so far as to say that I don´t know if I think Cousins should be starting in 2016 based on what has taken place so far. But I am not budging on my stand that he should start out this season: Enough of the chaos and emotional overreactions already! This was never going to be a PO season. It still might be but it is as unlikely as it was before the season started. It is a rebuilding season and Kirk gives them the chance to evaluate. he needs to be better than he was in the second half of the Jets game and the first half of the Giants game for this to happen. But all his other halves are just fine for the intended purpose of evaluation. It might no be fan bait or very exciting to watch but it is good enough.

        • abanig - Oct 21, 2015 at 10:47 AM

          Last time I checked in football players get hurt. Griffin got hurt vs the Ravens, then his HC and Andrews didn’t protect Griffin the rest of the season.

          The only thing Griffin could have done different on the Ngata blindside hit was slide feet first instead of head first, but if Ngata still dove on Griffin and messed up his knee would you still be blaming Griffin for getting hurt?

        • Skulb - Oct 21, 2015 at 10:54 AM

          Not saying I necessarily blame him. But he played recklessly and the team has suffered because of it.

        • abanig - Oct 21, 2015 at 2:14 PM

          But on the plays Griffin got injuries that kept him out months, he wasn’t really reckless.

          If scrambling for a few yards when a play breaks downs and driving ahead is reckless, then Luck is the most reckless qb in the NFL. If standing in the shotgun on a shaky knee and bending over to pick up a horrible snap is reckless then what the hell man? If running outside the pocket and throwing downfield and ending up dislocating your ankle is reckless then seriously wtf! If bracing yourself for a hit after you’ve unfortunately bobbled a ball and you’re falling on it is reckless, then we’ve gone bat shit crazy in these opinions.

        • Skulb - Oct 21, 2015 at 2:39 PM

          The Ngata hit was the second unnecessary big hit he took in 2012. He suffered a concussion from a wild, headfirst dive earlier (I think it was against Atlanta but I can´t remember off the top of my head) in the season before this. Then he scrambled into the middle of the field, which a QB should never do because that´s where the big people are (like Ngata). Instead of sliding he then took a 320 pound lineman in the ribs for, at most, two yards extra.
          And because he can´t fall any better than he slides he then twisted his knee coming down. This is not how you remain an NFL QB.
          2013 was alright because he played scared and took no risks. He was also mediocre and the team went 3-13.
          Cue 2014 and he was back to form, taking 33 sacks in nine games, most of them big hits he apparently did nothing to avoid. This would be very close to league leading in the NFL if projected out over 16 games.
          And he was still playing like this in the 2015 PS, although the line was blamed for that by his fans.
          On this site: he is listed as a 56% injury risk if he starts a game, which means that he will likely be injured every other game, statistically speaking.
          This is injury prone.By comparison the ten year older and perpetually injured old geezer Tony Romo is estimated at 42%. Brady is at 3,8%.

          So yes Griffin needed to and needs to play safer. He is not durable enough to take as many hits as Luck has been doing, or as he himself has been doing since 2012. And I think that even Luck is beginning to show signs of wear this season. What is crazy to me is pretending like the enormous and unnecessary hit RGIII took from Ngata was somehow worth it. He should have been benched right then and there to take care of the knee. He might still be playing now if that had happened. Instead he soldiered on moronically until the entire knee broke, and as a result wasted a full year and change of development, a full Redskins season and now a third and fourth season of poor performances, QB carousels and endless drama. And it could all have been prevented if he had slid instead of running into Ngata´s vicinity.

        • abanig - Oct 21, 2015 at 5:31 PM

          Do you yell at Cam Newton or Andrew Luck when they cut inside instead of outside on their runs?

          This crap is ridiculous. Period!

          Quit getting on a player for giving his all I’m so tired of this bs.

          I guess we like having a coward at qb who throws ints or near ints every time he thinks he’s going to get hit.

          I’m sorry to say that but I think Cousins comes off as a coward. I think he’s afraid to stand in and step into throws when he’s about to get hit. I thought it round improve this year but in every game but 1 – where we ran it nearly 40 times – he’s had several moments where he’s looked like the coward he was last year.

          I’ll have you know this was spoken about on ESPN 980 by Sheehan and others on Monday after the jets game and it’s basically what they said. You can say a lot of things about Robert & Colt but personalities on the radio all agreed you can’t call either of those guys afraid to take hits or not tough.

          It’s still an issue with Cousins, 4 years into his career and even after he was told he is the man.

        • Skulb - Oct 22, 2015 at 3:09 AM

          This is the crap that´s ridiculous. I´ve never heard such nonsense in my life. Good day!

        • colmac69 - Oct 21, 2015 at 1:36 PM

          Think the inj vs baltimore was unfortunate rather than him being reckless

          Believe it or not I happen to think we could won superbowl if rgiii had stayed healthy cause running game was great and def was creating turnovers

          I don’t blame shanahan for rgiii coming back….I blame him for keeping him in seattle game after he done his knee in completely near end of first qtr when after it happened anyone could see he was done

        • Skulb - Oct 21, 2015 at 2:50 PM


          Yes and no really. He was right to scramble but not in that direction. As a QB you never ever want to scramble across the middle of the field because you´ll get hit by retreating, 350 pound linemen. You scramble to the sidelines where there worst that can happen to you is that you take some wood from a 190 pound corner or get wrapped up by a 250 pound LB if he can keep up. And he shouldn´t keep up. And if you do scramble into the middle of the field then for God´s sake SLIDE! SLIIIIIDE! I mean I have been screaming these things at the TV screen at times with Griffin in my frustration. Apparently he can´t hear me though. Who knew?

          Anyway I agree with you that the team was SB bound in 2012 before Griffin went down for good. But what gets me is that it was so unnecessary. He didn´t have to get concussed in the Atlanta game. He didn´t have to be upright and upside down when he got tackled by Ngata. He didn´t have to start games with a strained ACL and he certainly didn´t need to keep playing with a torn one against Seattle. He could have gone through the 2012 season injury free if he just knew how and when to slide. And that is just depressing to me.

  21. Joe - Oct 22, 2015 at 8:53 AM

    Redskins just need to move on and let Desean Jackson go. If he doesn’t want to play fine. His 3-4 hamstring injury is now into wk 6. Later dude Archives

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