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Need to Know: An opportunity lost for the Redskins

Oct 13, 2015, 5:25 AM EDT


Here is what you need to know on this Tuesday, October 13, five days before the Washington Redskins play the New York Jets.

An opportunity lost

The Redskins’ loss to the Falcons represented something beyond another mark in the “L” column in the standings. It was a lost opportunity.

This team is trying to flip the script and change its reputation. They want to go from being soft to being tough, from chokers to clutch performers, from a group of inconsistent performers to a machine, from road kill to road warriors. And, most important, from losers to winners.

The Redskins had a chance to take a step in in the right direction in all of those negative areas against the Falcons. They came close. They were tough and came through in some key situations. The Redskins had their chances to knock off an undefeated team on the road.

But the opportunity was lost. Instead of being played over and over again in top 10 highlights, Bashaud Breeland’s fourth-quarter interception and deft 28-yard return to set up what could have been the clinching points, the play is a mere footnote. The drive in the final 24 seconds of the game to set up Dustin Hopkins’ tying field goal from 52 yards out could have been the stuff of legend. Instead, any recounting of the drive will be followed by, “yeah, but . . .”

The good thing about the NFL in October is that there always are more chances coming. The Redskins have another on coming on Sunday in the Meadowlands. They face a 3-1 Jets team coming off of the bye. They aren’t perceived to be quite in the class with the Falcons but they almost certainly will be a popular pick giving anywhere from four to seven points to the Redskins.

But even if they manage to spring the upset, there still will be questions about consistency. The Redskins have alternated losses and wins so far in their first five games. Even slightly better than mediocre teams put together a winning streak every now and then. Since winning seven in a row to finish off the 2012 season in style, the longest winning streak the Redskins have put together is two, and they’ve done that just once. That is it in terms of winning streaks, even if you want to call it that. And with a trip to Foxboro to play the Patriots coming up after the games against the Jets and Bucs (and the bye), the prospects for winning more than two in a row starting here are pretty dim.

You never know how things are going to go. The glass half full scenario is that they are improved over last year when the adversity could have crushed them, and that they are moving in the right direction. At some point that will show up in the win column.

But it doesn’t always work out that way. Sometimes a team just can’t get over the hump and continues to lose winnable games. Nobody can say for sure where the Redskins are headed.

They say that a good team is one that can play at less than its best and still win. I don’t know how you would describe a team that can’t do the two main things it was built to do (run the ball and stop the run), has an erratic day from its quarterback, gives up a go-ahead touchdown with 24 seconds left to play and still almost pulls out a road win over a 4-0 team.

I guess we’ll just call them the 2015 Redskins and see how it all turns out.


Today’s schedule: Player meetings, no media availability

Days until: Redskins @ Jets 5; Bucs @ Redskins 12; Redskins @ Patriots 26

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  1. colorofmyskinz - Oct 13, 2015 at 6:05 AM

    Well what more can you say? We are a team trying to break out of a 20-year losing culture. A culture not even the Great Gibbs II and Shannahan, multiple Super Bowls between them, could break. This is a culture Snyder built. This is the first year we have a real GM that stands in the way of the coaches / players and the owner. A GM that is a filter for the crap that comes down from the top, and an insulator to allow his coaches and player to do what is right for football vs Synder. Think about that. The first year in 20 that we have Snyder mostly removed from impacting the team by a real football GM. So with this first year and only 5 games I see a real change because I don’t see Snyder F’n things up yet.

    Thanks god Allen recognized that he sucked at GM and needed a real football GM to place between the horrific Snyder and the team. I at least give Allen that. Scot M. is the culture. And that should be easy to see. Allen and Snyder are the old culture. They are finally removed, and we finally have a team that can compete.

    How long would have Gibbs II stayed had we had Scot M to filter Snyders crap? We would have won another 3 Super Bowls by now probably.

    This team will grow and succeed as long as Snyder is out of the football decisions and as long as Scot M is here to see out the culture transformation.

    • skinsgame - Oct 13, 2015 at 8:29 AM

      No doubt Snyder has earned much of his criticism but, this isn’t the Bad News Bears. The men on this team haven’t been here for 20, long-suffering years, toiling under the thumb of an unreasonable owner. They’re pros, or supposed to be, and most have been paid unthinkable amounts of money by Snyder to win. Snyder has been guilty of liking popular players and backing the Brinx rig in to bring them aboard. Coaches too. Some of those folks, the mighty Joe Gibbs included, quit trying or were over valued. At some point the players and coaches who’ve walked those hallways and cashed the checks should begin to own their share of the culture woes.

    • greed - Oct 13, 2015 at 9:00 AM

      for the first time i COMPLETELY agree ! Well said sir !

    • mr.moneylover - Oct 13, 2015 at 11:40 AM

      Scot m. Just sitting back watching not only players but coaches as well…who said jay gruden was the kind of coach he want coaching his team ??? Not scot….who said he want kirk cousins to be his franchise QB??? Not scot it was jay gruden call and scot m. And dan synder agreed…ppl forget jay gruden needs to have a winning record to save his job this season regardless of injuries because scot m. Will look at it as well I can bring in my guy and he can prove this team better then jay gruden two years combined…players dont call plays on the field so its no excuse why the play calling was similar to week 1 against the dolphins basically not bein aggressive enough and not making adjustments after halftime…im sorry this team will be better without jay gruden and kirk cousins

      • gasngo14 - Oct 13, 2015 at 1:46 PM

        Never seen a person so in love with Jay Gruden as you, Really every day ? Please give it a rest now!!

        • bangkokben - Oct 13, 2015 at 3:08 PM

          Surely, your familiar with the guy commemorating Hong Kong in 2000. That guy may have passed the baton to moneybags.

    • Trey Gregory - Oct 14, 2015 at 3:06 AM

      I think the point is that it’s hard to change a culture that’s been in place for so long. There’s been holdovers every year for the past 20 years and negative or losing attitudes are contagious. Every year is not a clean slate. It’s a lot easier to say this stuff should change than it is to actually do it. But they appear to be headed in that direction. All the Gruden haters should remember that. The GM alone can not accomplish this. I love Scot too but sometimes we give him too much credit. Gruden and his staff also have to be a part of this or else it wouldn’t be happening. scot will continue to get us better players (hopefully) and Gruden is still learning. He can evolve his system and play calling and learn to become better. But, it’s hard to learn to become a better leader, motivator, or learn how to create a competitive culture at the age of most NFL head coaches. Gruden seems to have a grip on that. I don’t know why people are so eager to see him leave town. Also because there’s something to be said of stability. Players not having to learn a new system every other year or buy into a new coach. I believe this team, and Gruden, have made tremendous strides in just his second year. Maybe we should let this play out and see where it goes.

    • Skulb - Oct 14, 2015 at 9:44 PM

      This is very well said. It will take a while maybe but I really think this team might be going places. They got too careful at the end of the game and that was disappointing. But all in all the team got more respect out of forcing the Falcons into overtime than it got from beating the Rams and Eagles earlier in the season. And they really could have ended an away game against a 4-0 team in regular time. Who would have thought that at the end of last season?
      I just hope Snyder doesn´t meddle so we can stay the course for two more seasons. If it isn´t looking good then you make a change obviously. But I have a feeling we might not have to.

  2. skinsgame - Oct 13, 2015 at 8:43 AM

    I don’t know if it’s a culture but, accountability is what will change this franchise more than anything. Expectations and standards have to be established and hungry, coachable alternatives must be kept around and given opportunities to create competition. Anointing any players with some right to a position is the enemy of development of the team. If the club is changing, and it appears to be, it begins with accountability. Time will tell.

    • hail74 - Oct 13, 2015 at 8:47 AM

      I agree. I also think in the past high profile players realized that if they played poorly the coach was more likely to be fired than they themselves replaced. Years of constant coaching turnover and an owner looking to make friends with players will do that.

  3. boysheadcoach - Oct 13, 2015 at 9:51 AM

    Rebuilding a team for the long haul and repeat post season play does not happen in one season. Stop looking at how far we have to go…….. and look at how far we’ve come!

    I see a great O-line developing that is young and finally has some depth.

    I see a D-line putting pressure on the QB without have to commit to blitzing every other down.

    I see young drafted players getting developed week in and out.

    I see a bunch of FAs that are actually helping us play better, showing leadership and are not putting us in CAP HELL.

    are there still needs? Sure. are there any quick fixes that are available out there? not that would be good for the long haul.

    Stop waiting and EXPECTING the hotdog to be ready from the microwave in 30 seconds and wait and savor the cooking on the grill and the aroma and sound of the sizzling meat.

    Try to enjoy the ride of putting a great team together. the destination will be even more satisfying.

    Go Scotty M!

    • boysheadcoach - Oct 13, 2015 at 9:58 AM

      been waiting 20 years…………..what’s 1 or 2 more if done right……………….

    • mr.moneylover - Oct 13, 2015 at 11:23 AM

      Head coach and kirk cousins gotta go tho if this offense gonna get better and if this team gonna get better jay gruden play calling shouldn’t be a problem but it is that dont have to wait one or two more year to develop

      • bangkokben - Oct 13, 2015 at 3:15 PM

        You assume he’s the problem. There isn’t a coach out there that would look at this team and say Kirk Cousins and the play calling is the problem. There might be a coach that says the play calling is the problem but he’s not keeping everything else the same. You start changing QBs, then you have to change systems, then you have to change personnel, then you’re right back at this point one day – not tomorrow – where if some plays were called differently, a win instead of a loss would’ve been the result. Last year or two years ago, the Falcons win that game in the 3rd quarter and we’re talking about whether we’re getting the first or the third pick in next year’s draft.

        • abanig - Oct 13, 2015 at 8:53 PM

          2013 Falcons game didn’t go that way and it wouldn’t have gone that way if Griffin played the game in 2013 either.

        • bangkokben - Oct 14, 2015 at 9:05 AM

          True. The 2013 Falcon’s were a mess. When I said the ‘Falcons,’ I was referring to a 4-0 team on the rise or even more on point: a 7 point+ favorite. My bad.

        • abanig - Oct 13, 2015 at 8:59 PM

          Although I do agree with the overall premise of your post. I can’t agree that we wouldn’t have been in the game in the 3rd quarter of the ATL game if Griffin or McCoy were playing. The score was only 7-6 in the 3rd quarter. Our other qbs could have accomplished that as well. Maybe not in the same short passing game fashion that Kirk did but we would have score “some” points in the first half if Griff or McCoy were playing in the game as well.

        • bangkokben - Oct 14, 2015 at 9:13 AM

          Perhaps. I think both McCoy and Griff would’ve suffered drive killing sacks that would’ve resulted in better field position for Atlanta which they then would’ve converted into TDs – not having to drive 80 yards but 60 yards. Gross assumptions – I’ll admit – but that’s pretty much what happened when we played KC two years ago and Indy last year – similarly “favored” teams. I don’t have faith in either QB if the run game is as ineffective as it was Sunday. Now if Griff is running read option to loosen the defense, I have no clue how that would look.

        • abanig - Oct 14, 2015 at 10:48 AM

          In 2013 vs KC, it was a rainy, wet cold day that affected our offense and KC was a very good defensive team, their pass rush and pass defense were better than Indy or ATL. Griffin hasn’t played in a dome indoors in a while. I can’t remember the last time Griffin got to play in a dome, it may have been 2013 at Minnesota against Dallas.

          We have to remember the first two weeks of the season most of our offense came from the running game, so I’d say those points would have been put up no matter who was our qb.

          I will never agree that any of our Qbs couldn’t put up a score or two in the first halves of games. Our main problems have been third quarters no matter who’s playing qb for years. I think that’s a coaching problem at half time. Our guys aren’t motivated coming out in the third quarter and there aren’t enough adjustments made by our coaches – if any at all.

        • bangkokben - Oct 14, 2015 at 11:59 AM

          The gameplan would’ve been the same the first few games of this season irregardless of who was playing QB.If Griffin remained the starter, a run first offense would’be been implemented as well. Same as McCoy. The fact that neither are good at avoiding sacks – at least not evidenced recently (McCoy actually better at making guys miss in the pocket but not throwing on time); and neither has been good with this offense converting 3rd downs has me being skeptical that either would be in the same area code this year. Sure improvements could’ve been made by each QB as well as the coaches figuring a better way to attack 3rd down with the; BUT if it was the same as last year, this team is lucky to be 1-4 and may even be 0-5 and staring at a QB change to save the season.

          I don’t intend to change your mind about this but there is zero evidence to suggest that either McCoy or Griffin has fixed their holding-on-the-ball-too-long issue. Suppose they IMPROVED to getting sacked on 8% of dropbacks, that is still TEN more sacks than now and that is huge – unless then all happen on first down and are for less than five yards. Cousins’ last two sacks are scrambles where he gets back to the line of scrimmage. Presuming massive change in this area is simply wishful thinking. Griffin was over 13% and McCoy was around 9 1/2.

        • abanig - Oct 14, 2015 at 5:04 PM

          Yeah, I’ll give you 1-4 as a possibility. The running game and defense won us the St Louis game more than the passing game. Several long runs including a 39-yard TD run and another TD for Jones and stellar defense is certainly what beat the Rams.

          We probably still would have lost to the Giants but I don’t think it would have been as lopsided because I don’t see Griffin or McCoy throwing either of the ints that Cousins threw in that game, of course that isn’t to say they don’t make a mistake somewhere else or take bad sacks and maybe fumble.

          The Eagles game I’d lean to us losing if one of the other qbs were starting because I don’t see either of them bringing us back in the end he way Cousins did. Of course that’s not to say that Griffin or McCoy couldn’t have made other plays before that final drive which would have kept the skins from needing thag final drive to win.

          ATL I think we would have lost no matter who was staring. I know we had a chance to win with Cousins, but I don’t see either of our other qbs fairing too much better than Cousins in that – even though Cousins was extremely inaccurate for most of the game.

          So you are right that if Griffin or McCoy was starting these first 5 games we are probably 1-4 right now, but like everrhing else it’s predictions and a matter of opinions so we’ll never know.

      • boysheadcoach - Oct 14, 2015 at 9:06 AM

        head coach and cousins gotta go. right , heard you , many times
        got anything else?

      • Skulb - Oct 14, 2015 at 9:47 PM

        No those aren´t the problem. Kirk makes good decisions and for the most part the coaches put the team in a good position to win.

    • ajbus1 - Oct 13, 2015 at 8:50 PM

      Couldn’t have said it better coach!

  4. mr.moneylover - Oct 13, 2015 at 11:19 AM

    We have to worry about to many things for this team to be successful this year we have to worry if kirk gonna throw a pick we gotta worry about if jay gruden play calling is gonna be aggressive enough to keep teams off balance we gotta worry about injuries who in who’s out we gotta worry about if our O-line gonna hold up in the run game and protection etc…the steelers coach mike tomiln and they OC called plays to win the game at the end jay gruden didnt he called plays to take time off the clock its a BIG difference im tired of jay gruden getting a pass and im tired of kirk cousins getting a pass accountability is everything to a football team and like I said if we lose these next two games players will quit on jay gruden if a QB change wont happen

    • gasngo14 - Oct 13, 2015 at 1:54 PM

      For over a year you keep saying players will quit on jay gruden……..SORRY it looks like the players are giving him their ALL week in and week out :)

      • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Oct 13, 2015 at 3:33 PM

        Some people just can’t let go. It’s like looking out the rear view mirror when you’re on the highway.

        O.K. to do it every so often, but not constantly.

    • boysheadcoach - Oct 14, 2015 at 8:19 AM

      We don’t have to worry at all.(and if you do…you move from FAN to FANATIC) Let the new GM develop this team and do some more off season magic. This is a growth year, developing young talent and getting the baseline and foundation to build upon. Instead of panting and worrying, enjoy the progress and comment on that.
      The coach is who he is
      The QB is who he is (you have to admit he’s getting better)
      The safety’s are who they are (addressed next draft) Both
      The TEs are who they are (one spot to draft for)
      the CB are who they are (repeat above)
      Nothing is going to change before then
      So stop bitching and enjoy watching the kids develop and trust Scotty M to do his job that so far ….he has done very well……………………………….

  5. abanig - Oct 13, 2015 at 12:47 PM

    Definitely an opportunity lost for the Skins. That’s the second time this has happened this year as we blew the Dolphins game also.

    I see good things this season though. I see it as a stepping stone. An inexperienced but developing quarterback a better than expected defense, some young talented playmakers who are starting to step up on both sides of the ball.

    This Redskins season reminds me of 1998 when Trent Green was the skins qb. Except we aren’t near as bad as we were in 98 at the start of season. In 98 they started the season 0–7, and finished 6–3 after their bye week. They finished 6–10 Redskins missed the 1998–99 NFL playoffs.

    • mjthomas85 - Oct 13, 2015 at 1:38 PM

      The Redskins definitely showed some progress in the Atlanta game (i.e. taking it to overtime, QB pressures, fighting hard to the end, etc.). This is exciting looking out another year or two, especially if young players keep developing and contributing the way this years draft class has done.

      Unfortunately, I can’t help but think we were only in that game due to the number of big mistakes by the Falcons in the redzone. Had they converted missed FG’s or scored TD’s like they were at the start of the season, it wouldn’t have been a contest and our defense wouldn’t have looked so good.

      The defense is still giving up way too many yards, and failed to stop D. Freeman from running all over the field when the J. Jones, R. White, and L. Hankerson were all hurt and underperforming. As for the offense, they were far from clicking on all cylinders. The run game should not be falling apart the way it is from the loss of one guard, and while cousins has started to cut down on the turnovers, he needs to stop throwing the ball behind his receivers. That very easily could have been a 3-4 interception game for Cousins.

        • abanig - Oct 13, 2015 at 4:57 PM

          What about the John Elway comparison, or the Trent Green comparison for Cousins?

          There are more examples of inexperienced qbs throwing more ints than TDs their first few seasons as starters in the NFL than there are of qbs who threw meow TDs than ints their first few years starting in the NFL.

          Let’s look at John Elway:

          83: 47.5%, 7 TDs, 14 ints
          84: 56%, 18 TDs, 15 ints
          85: 54.6%, 22 TDs, 23 ints

          Elways averages in first 3 years starting: 52.7%, 16 TDs, 26 ints

          86: 55.6%, 19 TDs, 13 ints
          87: 54.6%, 19 TDs, 12 ints
          88: 55.2%, 17 TDs, 19 ints
          89: 53.6%, 18 TDs, 18 ints

          Then there is Trent Green.

          98: 54.6%, 23 TDs, 11 ints.

          If you look at Trent’s game log from 98, you’ll see he had 7 TDs and 7 ints and the team was 0-7 after the first 7 games of the season then, they had their bye week. After the bye week Trent Green went on to play much better the second half of the season and finished the last 9 games throwing 16 TDs and just 4 ints.

          And yes, Trent did have another season where he struggled, in case you were wondering. In 2001, it was Green’s first year starting in KC and he only completed 56.6% of his passes and threw 17 TDs with 24 ints.

          And I know what you’re thinking well that doesn’t mean Kirk is going to do that, and you’re right it doesn’t, but we need to continue to play Kirk to see if he can put together a better second half of the season. We need to see if he learns and if he develops. We need to see if when Djax comes back if we once again see the Kirk that is throwing near or over 300 yards a game instead of the one we’ve seen the first 5 games that has only gotten to 300 yards once.

          I’m not saying that your not right Tim and that Cousins won’t end up being just a Rex Grossman Qb in the NFL, but we can’t know that for certain right now. He could develop after a year like this year -where he’s about even with TDs & ints – and then in two of 3 years be a good or great starter. Eli Manning has also had years where he’s thrown a lot of ints but he’s rebounded to have other years where he was much better like this year.

          I tend to lean towards the Trent Green comparison for Cousins. I think he’s going to get better with playing time. I don’t think Kirk is ever going to be a top 5 qb in the NFL, but I do believe he has the ability to be a better than average starter in time and maybe even be a top 10 starter in the NFL.

        • abanig - Oct 13, 2015 at 5:10 PM

          Sorry, I divided my Elway ints by 2 years instead of 3. In Elways first three seasons in the NFL he was a 16 TD and 17 int qb.

          Then, after being inconsistent in his first 3 seasons in the NFL, Elway led the Broncos to the super bowl in his 4th, 5th, and 7th NFL seasons where the Broncos lost in the super bowl to the Giants, Redskins, 49ers.

        • brucefan1 - Oct 13, 2015 at 5:49 PM

          As I recall (but then, age has dulled my memory), in most cases in the NFL we pretty much know if a QB has it in the NFL early on or if he doesn’t. Not very many guys scuffle and struggle for 4-5 years and then finally “get it” and turn it on to become top notch QBs

          Thinking of the TOP QBs, how many of them actually developed that way; starting out as low choices, played like journeymen for a while, had relatively little repsepect but eventually blossomed? VERY few. (You mention Trent Green. Maybe Matt Hasselbeck, too — but he actually took off pretty quickly once he got a shot in Seattle.)

          Most off the top guys actually started out that way once they stepped on the field — the guy that, sure, MAYBE needed some seasoning, but most observers pretty much knew he was gonna be the guy for years to come, and were drafted with that expectation in mind. Double check the list of the leagues most respected 20 QBs — they all pretty much come from that class.

          The rest of the guys starting today are in that “journeymen” category. Those who didn’t catch on right away, got sent to the bench, and bided their time till they got a shot — somewhere. Some adequately hold that job for a while, but usually only as a placeholder. Some catch lightening in a bottle for a few seasons but not for long.

          Until Cousins proves he can string together SEVERAL good games, and can avoid making that big mistake on a CONSISTENT basis, that second group are the guys we should be comparing him to, imho. Because no matter how slowly a guy like Elway started his career, Kirk is never gonna be an Elway. Even Trent Green seems like an outlier, because guys like him, who actually rise high for a while after years of scuffling along, are as rare as hens’ teeth.

        • abanig - Oct 14, 2015 at 8:07 AM

          Most qbs that work out and show the potential to be long term starters aren’t drafted in the mid to late rounds. When they are earlier picks, they get to start earlier in their careers like Griffin and the others in that draft class and so we know about them already. Qbs like Cousins, Brunnell, Trent Green, Hassleback etc, sat for years and then got their chance in their 3rd, 4th or 5th years.

          We literally don’t know what Cousins will develop into yet because he hasn’t gotten a chance to start an entire season – from start to finish – in the NFL yet, let a lone 2 or 3 years.

        • timwillhide - Oct 13, 2015 at 8:38 PM

          Adam my issue with Cousins is his inaccuracy which causes the interceptions and all the Balls bouncing off of defenders hands. Along with the misses that are 5to10 yards off target. You can’t fix those kind of accuracy issues

        • abanig - Oct 13, 2015 at 10:02 PM

          Yes you can. I’d say almost all qbs improve their accuracy As they get more game reps. Also, no qbs are perfect with accuracy all the time.

          Just like Robert shouldn’t be held against a perfect pocket passing quarterback who’s been playing in the west coast system for 5 or 10 years.

          You shouldn’t hold a qb who hasn’t started a full season in the NFL to a standard of being near perfect with his accuracy all the time either.

          There are other things that throw timing off on a route also. A lot of times Kirk is anticipating throws – which a good west coast qb does – but his anticipation is off or his young WR didn’t run the route and right depth, or the WR got jammed at the line and it through the timing of the route off.

          Not every incompletion or misfire is totally on the qb. Many times its other factors, particularly when you’re playing with 3 receivers and a tight end who have less than a full season of experience playing in the NFL as well.

        • Skulb - Oct 14, 2015 at 11:12 PM

          More anti-Kirk stuff. Why can´t you just support the team?

      • abanig - Oct 13, 2015 at 4:20 PM

        You say the Falcons missed opportunities – I say other than the missed FGs – our defense forced turnovers. Particularly the Chris Baker fumble.

        In the second half our defense was gassed because our offense wasn’t sustaining drives. I know the defense didn’t get off the field and missed too many tackles but you also have to factor in that our offense wasn’t sustaining drives so our defense had to be on the field too much. The offense couldn’t run the ball all game thus, they weren’t sustaining drives like they were earlier in the season. If our offense can’t get our running game going again, most of the games are going to look like the last 3, and not the St Louis game.

    • Skulb - Oct 14, 2015 at 9:52 PM

      Some fans are like weather wanes though. They only have endless negativity and disappear after wins. it´s very strange. Then after a loss they return, invigorated and with pent up negativity from the week before. To fans like me, who just enjoy the games and support the team no matter what, it is impossible to not see all the massive improvements in all aspects of the team from the last two years. After the great effort against Atlanta in an away game nobody expected them to even compete in I am now hoping they can pull out a win against the Jets, which would be a huge statement. If they can then follow that up with a win at hope against Tampa they will enter the bye with a winning record. When was the last time that happened?
      Obviously it´s almost certainly a loss away to the Pats after the bye. But even then they would be at 500 going into the second half of the season. Why can´t people be happy with this for the first year of a comprehensive rebuilding effort? I just don´t get it.

      • Skulb - Oct 14, 2015 at 9:53 PM

        I meant “home”. Typing is hard.

      • abanig - Oct 14, 2015 at 10:39 PM

        I don’t know about you, but I’ve been a skins fan for 30 years or since I knew what football was in the mid 1980s, maybe 31 or 32 years.

        The team has been inconsistent to bad since I was in middle school in 1992. I believe I say pretty even keeled considering the crap us Redskins fans have gone through for 25 years now.

        This team is making strides but they still have major issues I’m just analyzing what I see and being analytical of the team. Not hating the team or wishing them to fail, there’s a difference.

        • Skulb - Oct 15, 2015 at 10:22 AM

          I wasn´t directing that at you specifically though. More at certain fans, or rather “fans”, who almost seem to take pleasure when the team plays poorly this season, as if it somehow confirms that we are indeed bad and that this is good because we weren´t fooled into becoming optimists for so much as a second. I see a lot of positives this season myself. Of course nothing is perfect but we are actually allowed to just cheer for the team, which is what I have decided to do.

      • skinsgame - Oct 14, 2015 at 10:47 PM


  6. mr.moneylover - Oct 13, 2015 at 5:49 PM

    @bangkokb you might think that its not good options out there to hire a better head coach scot m. Always finds the diamond in the ruff when it comes to talent and coaches…jay gruden been the problem since last year now I did give jay gruden a chance last year and thought ppl was bein to mean towards him in his first year but wake up ppl can anybody explain since jay gruden left the Bengals that Andy dolten been putting up better numbers since jay gruden left…andy dolten said in an interview that he feels free since jay gruden left and that he kinda felt like jay gruden system held back his potential but he still thank jay gruden for teaching him things to be a good QB

    • hail74 - Oct 13, 2015 at 6:29 PM

      Not saying your wrong but a simple google search didn’t turn up any such Dalton interview. It did show results for how Gruden was just as critical of Dalton as he was of Rg3, going so far as to say Dalton has to work on “everything”. It also showed where Gruden was the one who wanted Dalton over Kaep,the right call, and how he preached patience in the development of Dalton. Of course Dalton is getting better,that’s what generally happens to good players. As they gain experience they improve.

      • abanig - Oct 14, 2015 at 7:58 AM

        Kapernick has won more playoff games than Dalton and Kap almost won a super bowl. Who is better is definitely debatable.

    • gasngo14 - Oct 13, 2015 at 7:39 PM


      ” @bangkokb you might think that its not good options out there to hire a better head coach scot m. Always finds the diamond in the ruff when it comes to talent and coaches…”

      Please enlighten me what NFL coach has Scot McCloughan hired never mind a ” diamond in the ruff coach”

    • bangkokben - Oct 13, 2015 at 8:12 PM

      Look, if you want to say that Gruden was outcoached Sunday, I’ve got NO PROBLEM with that. But when you start looking for a new coach before he even coaches a full season with guys picked for his system, that’s where I say you’re full of it. Whoever the next coach would be will need his guys and his system and change hasn’t worked well for this team in the past and constant change is the reason why we’re in the situation we’re in. From 2012-2014 we have Robert Griffin the Third and Trent Murphy as a result of our 1st and 2nd round picks. For a team that is mediocre that would be six starters. We’ve got a half starter. No coach coming in to that is going to succeed. So it is so magnanimous of you to give Gruden a pass for the first year. But it is precisely why Gruden fought to get five years guaranteed. So now we should allow him to grow into the position – and so far he is. Now if the team does not show improvement and he loses the team, then we can consider other options but at this point that is so far down the road.

      • skinsgame - Oct 13, 2015 at 11:17 PM

        There is a contingency of fans that W A N T the team to fail. They are so emotionally invested into the desire to see them fail it’s all they can see. If this forum here is a microcosm of a bigger picture, it is the Griffin fans that despise any progress the coaches or players make. It’s mind boggling. Nearly to the man, Griffins die hard supporters want Gruden fired and refuse to admit that Cousins is progressing.

        • goback2rfk - Oct 14, 2015 at 1:17 AM

          I am not a die hard fan of Griffin and RG3 is pretty much an after thought. Hell he has been inactive the entire year. However, I am not sure if Kirk is progressing or not. Seems to me he is still the same old Kirk Cousins he has always been. The man has been throwing ugly INT’s since his first year with Michigan State.
          I looked at some old film from Kirk’s college days and he is still making the same mistakes he made in college many years ago. I think Kirk is staying the same and the team is getting better around him.
          Either way neither Kirk or Rg3 will be the answer at the QB position for the Redskins.

        • skinsgame - Oct 14, 2015 at 7:14 AM

          You are most certainly a due hard Griffin fan my man. It’s why, in spite of numerous examples of QB’s struggling with INTs early in their career who later blossomed into awesome players, you refuse to see the progress the team is beginning to show. If you are watching film in Cousins from his MSU days, you really need to step away for a bit.

        • Skulb - Oct 14, 2015 at 9:55 PM

          Well said!

      • gasngo14 - Oct 14, 2015 at 6:39 AM

        goback you are the biggest RG3 fan on this board ,Yaa THE GUY WHO SCREAMED amillion times a day to trade whatever it took to get him……….. I don’t want to tell you again TAKE THEM POSTERS DOWN IN THE BASEMENT :)

    • boysheadcoach - Oct 14, 2015 at 8:33 AM

      what coach is available right NOW to replace him…………………..(insert Jeopardy theme)
      thought so………………………stop bitching, there is no one going to take this team mid season and make them into a 10-6 team other than who is there now and that’s a stretch. Lets just see how this plays out
      Get over yourself and go back to Madden or submit your resume to Scotty M and bail out the Redskins all by your imaginary HOF coaching self

  7. Johnny B. - Oct 13, 2015 at 5:51 PM

    We have had a good team for a while well at least on the player’s side. Coaching has been the Redskins downfall for a while. Now the team is a little better and some of the coaches but not all of them. Gruden is still new to the head coaching job and you can tell. His passive play calling on offense when we need to be aggressive needs to stop. You need points scored to win and being passive on the opponents side of the field is not going to get it done. Throw deep to get the defense to back off the line. Stay with 1 back and don’t stop trying till you get the run game started. Alf need 10 to 15 carries to get warmed up. Battle up front to open the hole for him. I know that if you stay with the teams objectives in the run it will work. In the passing game let loose of Cousins some times let him stretch his arm out. Show that you trust him and in him and he will show you a good qb. Don’t pass up on points you are over thinking just get it done. Utilize your weapons if your #4 or 5 guys does something better than your #1 guys bring him in for a play or two . These things I see Gruden doing wrong in my opinion.

    • Skulb - Oct 14, 2015 at 10:08 PM

      I think people generally have this wrong. It´s a little confusing but from what I have been able to gather Gruden doesn´t really call all the plays. First of all a condition for Hiring Callahan was that he be allowed to call the running plays. This was allegedly the main reason he fell out with Garrett in Texas. He decides which running plays to call and which backs are in those plays. McVay calls the passing plays and decides who goes on the field for those. Gruden then chooses whether to run or pass based on the options he is given by the two coaches. This was how I heard his explanation of the sideline coaching. Now of course he is responsible regardless because it was he who delegated these responsibilities in the offseason. But if there´s a bad call on game day it´s too simplistic to just blame that all on Gruden. The screen pass after the last takeaway he even criticized bluntly in the presser. He certainly didn´t make it sound as if that was his play. Most likely it was McVay´s play and Gruden just wanted a passing play and that was what Sean dialed up.
      And on defense it is of course Joe Barry who runs the show so Gruden doesn´t directly run anything on that side of the ball either. And they have a QB coach and an offensive line coach as well, both responsible for directly dealing with the players at those positions. This delegation is confusing to fans I guess, but it´s actually a very good idea. If, at the end of the season, the play calling on passing plays is seen as a problem you can simply replace Sean McVay and don´t have to start all over again with a new HC because he has to take the blame for everything. And that means more continuity with the same system, which I think is what the Redskins need more than anything right now.
      Gruden will in my view only be replaced if he loses the coaches and/or the players. He´s the motivator and the highest paid cheerleader on the sidelines and the locker room. And he makes demands of the coaches to get better both as play callers and coaches. He doesn´t even decide the roster anymore, if he ever did. That´s all Scot. It´s all sputtering a bit right now but I think there´s potential in this system. Clear responsibilities and easy to make small changes without throwing everything overboard if there´s not instant success. And there wont be instant success. It will take another season.

  8. mr.moneylover - Oct 13, 2015 at 6:01 PM

    Im shock ppl saying bad things about our defense like did you not watch the game…our defense bail out our offense so many times that they just got tired at the end they was on the field most the game because jay gruden sh–ty play calling….against the jets jay gruden and kirk cousins need to rebound from that because its things like that that will make a team quit on him he better go ask the lions team the giants almost did the same thing against they head coach until they head coach put a perfect game plan against redskins…the game is hard as it is they dont need the head coach making it harder

  9. Johnny B. - Oct 13, 2015 at 9:52 PM

    Everyone is saying that Kirk is not a NFL starter he is inaccurate on his passes. Well let’s see That Falcons game should have not gone to OT. We had them beat but Grudens play calling lost it for us and that’s the only reason. He would not stick with 1 back to try to get the run game going, he would not go down field but once in which would drop back the defense, and would not be aggressive on offense when needed. His bad decisions kept points off the score board and kept the pressure on a young Qb. Kirk has done a good job when he was not pressured the whole game. He is considered right now a rookie . Look at all of the new QBs in the league and see how they are doing not very good. Also remember that he was a 4th round pick. He needs more time to develop give him the season and then judge him . One more point to look at is how are the other 2012 QBs doing this year. Hell he could have been as bad as Weeden, dam that’s right Weeden was picked in the 1st round 2012 draft. Gruden is new to head coaching just his 2nd year and still learning. For any of you who thought we were going to the playoffs this year put down the pipe and check your self into Redskins rehab where you learn to be disappointed.

  10. goback2rfk - Oct 13, 2015 at 11:12 PM

    ‘Cakes’ is a jabroni. Why is that guy getting any face time on CSN?! Last week he said the Skins would lose by 50 to the Falcons. Nobody cares what ‘Cakes’ says. Get him outta here.

    • abanig - Oct 14, 2015 at 1:10 AM

      Yeah, I mean Cakes is a raiders fan who never watches a raiders game, that tells you enough about him right now… Lol

  11. goback2rfk - Oct 14, 2015 at 1:02 AM

    Desean Jackson’s lame Instagram pictures are annoying. He needs to work on getting back on the field than trying to become America’s Next top Model.

    • abanig - Oct 14, 2015 at 1:11 AM

      I think Jackson is such a distraction to this team and every time they show him on the sidelines it hurts the team…

      Oh wait… Wrong guy? Lol jk, jk

      • goback2rfk - Oct 14, 2015 at 1:23 AM

        Rg3 is a distraction. Many wont agree with me on that fact but Rob was never a teammate guy. RGme was well known for eating team dinners by himself in the locker room and blaming his teammates for his failures.
        When he would get knocked down, which was like on every play, the offensive lineman many times would not even help him up. I think the players on the team want him gone instead of smiling on the sidelines with a pink head band on. Atleast we do not have to hear any more of his ridiculous pressers where he says some of the stupidest things. I see no reason why he should fly to NY to play the Jets on Sunday. Leave Rg3 at home and maybe we will win this thing.

        • abanig - Oct 14, 2015 at 4:14 AM

          I think you and the other side on this debate are wrong here. Not everyone that thinks Griffin should be starting wants the team to fail. Many fans believe that Griffin deserved the opportunity that Cousins got this September. Many believe that Griffin is still the most talented qb on the team with the most upside and that’s why he should be starting. Many fans watch Cousins only put up 6 to 17 points in every first half of this season and believe Griffin could do the same and Griffin has more talent and more upside. There’s a line here, and the line is that many still think Griffin gives the team the best chance to win in the long term. The only difference I see between the Kirk Cult and the Griffin cult is that the Kirk cult attacked Griffin and his supporters by calling Griffin names, assassinating his character amongst other things. Griffin’s supporters don’t attack Kirk the person, they don’t attack Kirk’s play or his mistakes on the field, they don’t call him names or give him ultimatums like they are done in the nfl.

          I consider myself in the middle of because I like all 3 qbs and believe any of the three can lead the team to wins but in different ways because they all three have different quarterbacking styles. I do think Griffin is the most talented qb with the most upside. I would like to see if Griffin’s talent can be realized before totally giving up on him. I do believe that Griffin’s concussion was used as a convenient way to bench him and I think its wrong when a player loses his starting job because of injury or politics and that’s what’s been going on with Griffin dating back to December of 2013 when Shanahan benched him.

          I think in time that Kirk can be a Trent Green type qb or essentially a qb that we’d consider rated about the 10th in the NFL and that is a qb that you may be able to win a super bowl with if your defense is also top 10 and yur special teams.

          As for McCoy I see Rich Gannon. I wanted to draft Colt McCoy in round 2 of the 2010 draft instead of trading away two picks for McNabb. I think ShanAllen made a mistake with that trade. I think McCoy took a few years to sit and develop like Gannon did as a young, undersized and average arm qb and now McCoy is ready to be an NFL starter in the NFL. I’m not sure if McCoy will ever be a teams first choice as starter again though, and that sucks for him.

          as for Griffin being a distraction, hes only a distraction to people like you and people in the media who kep whining about him being on the team. I don’t think Griffin is a distraction to his coches, to Kirk or his other teammates. You can see Robert supporting his teammates on the sidelines. Kirk has said that Robert has been supportive of him, Colt has said the same. Griffin is working extra everyday after practice on the plays that Kirk and the starters had gone through in practice. You haven’t heard a peep out of Griffin in the last month since the season started.

          Griffin is only a distraction to those fans and media who’ve never wanted him to begin with, have wanted Griffin to fail because they see him as a diva or entitled or have wanted Griffin gone instead of Shanahan in 2013 and have wanted nothing to do with Griffin sense. Griffin is NOT a distraction to this team. You cant blame Griffin for Cousins’ interceptions or inaccurate passes at times, you cant blame Griffin for Jones 2 fumbles, you can’t blame Griffin for penalties, for giving up a punt return for a TD, having a blocked punt, for missed blocks, for dropped passes, for missed tackles, dropped interceptions or blown coverages and you cant blame Griffin for some of the poor coaching, poor play calls and lack of adjustments on both sides of the ball in the second half.

          Moral of the story STOP blaming Griffin for the team losing when Griffin isn’t even taking snaps.

        • gasngo14 - Oct 14, 2015 at 6:43 AM

          lol from the guy who screamed rg3 everyday Hahahaa!!!!

        • Skulb - Oct 14, 2015 at 11:08 PM

          This is very reasonable and if this had been the way the RGIII supporters had come across these conversations would be much less toxic. But the truth is that most of them do not, and now less than ever. I gave up on Griffin last year and I admit that. Poor performances mixed with horrible, tone deaf pressers and just endless drama conspired to make me give up on him. I didn´t think he seemed to absorb the responsibility he needed to for the team´s struggles or any signs that he was moving in the right direction in Gruden´s WCO. So I was in favor of starting Kirk this off season because I think he´s better at giving the rest of the offense a chance to win the games for us, without having to shoulder the burden of winning all by himself.
          But having said that I also said that if RGIII was given the starting job I would support him, just like I am now supporting Kirk. This is what I think fans are for; supporting the team.
          Look around and tell me that RGIII supporters are doing that now. It´s laughable and they tend to not give Cousins any chance before ripping into him. Everything that goes wrong is automatically his fault and they don´t even look at anybody else. If anything they seem to relish every tiny mistake Cousins makes and mount it on their walls as evidence that they were right. There is zero support for the Redskins (the actual team playing the games) from many of these people and no willingness to look at things like the INTs objectively. About half of them this season were not Kirk´s fault. Half of them were but most RGIII supporters don´t even try to make the distinction. It´s a timing offense and usually Kirk is the one you can rely on more than anyone else to be on that timing. His problem is that he stays on the timing even when his receivers do not, instead of overruling himself and trying to make the errant receiver right by throwing a different pass.

          I still think he will grow and improve through this season. He mostly makes sound decisions with the ball, has been very accurate and shows good leadership abilities. He also shows a very good understanding of the offense he is running. I keep repeating this to deaf ears but he has actually just started five games as this team´s franchise QB. And that is very very different from being thrown to the wolves as a backup without full preparation when Griffin was injured or played poorly. It really is. And when so many RGIII fans are in denial of this it makes it very hard to take them seriously.

        • abanig - Oct 15, 2015 at 11:41 AM

          I agree with a lot of what you wrote and just for the record I always try to call out both the Griffin cult and Kirk cult when they’re being unreasonable or having double standards one way or the other.

  12. abanig - Oct 14, 2015 at 4:25 AM

    continuing to blame Griffin while hes not even playing for the team losing is a losing opinion.

  13. vcuramsfan - Oct 14, 2015 at 8:18 AM

    I am very encouraged in the direction the Redskins are moving as a whole, and Kirk Cousins in particular. All we read about is how the Redskins must establish the run to have a “chance” at being in the game. Yet, there was virtually no running game on Sunday and the Skins were in it all the way. Cousins first pick was behind Garcon, but Garcon had TWO hands on the ball. The second pick was off target, but the end result should have been much better than a pick-6 since the receiver tripped on his own feet. I look at Matt Ryan throwing some HORRIBLE passes on Sunday – if Cousins had thrown those, I don’t want to even think about how this board would have lit up! We are playing competitive football, and I know injuries are part of the game, but on offense the Skins are missing their #1 and #2 weapons, and yet they were in it the whole way with the undefeated Falcons. HTTR! I, for the first time in many, many years, am encouraged.

  14. boysheadcoach - Oct 15, 2015 at 8:01 AM

    Well said Archives

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