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Need to Know: Plenty of variables in Redskins QB situation

Sep 30, 2015, 5:21 AM EDT

Here is what you need to know on this Wednesday, September 230, four days before the Redskins host the Eagles.

Question of the day

There are a lot of variables in the quarterbacks situation, rendering any prediction on if a change would be made from a healthy Cousins to Griffin is at best a guess. But let’s see if we can plough through some of the factors that Jay Gruden would have to consider.

First, I’m not so sure it’s fair to say that Cousins is “playing poorly”. He is more in the middle of the pack in most statistical categories. Sure, he has throw four interceptions, more than Jay Gruden would like. But eight quarterbacks, a fourth of the starters in the league, have thrown four or more picks this year.

But for our purposes here where he stands in comparison to the rest of the league is not as important as where he stands on the team. Could Griffin protect the ball better? To isolate one game, Cousins has received a great deal of criticism for throwing those two interceptions against the Giants. But he was forced to throw 49 passes. Griffin has thrown 49 or more times in a game twice. He was picked off twice in one of them and once in the other.

The disappointing game in the Meadowlands was just one game. Let’s look at the Dolphins game, when things were going better than they were against New York. Cousins was intercepted twice in 31 pass attempts. Griffin has attempted between 30 and 32 passes five times in his career. He threw five interceptions in those games including a pair or two-interception games. So Griffin is capable of having a similarly disappointing outing if he throws a similar number of attempts.

Setting aside the turnovers and expanding the view to career numbers, Griffin is slightly more accurate than Cousins (career completion percentage 63.9 Griffin, 61.1 Cousins) and he has a somewhat higher average yards per attempt (Griffin 7.6, Cousins 7.3). But Griffin gets sacked far more often (Griffin 8.7% of dropbacks, Cousins 3.7%), negating any advantage that Griffin has when passing. When you factor in yards lost on sacks, the offense gains an average of 6.3 yards every time Griffin drops back to pass compared to 6.7 for Cousins.

So, at the moment, there really is no evidence that Griffin would necessarily produce better than Cousins if he was in at quarterback under the same circumstances. But, with a few more games like the one against the Giants, where Cousins not only had the interceptions but also missed open receivers (notably Jordan Reed twice in the end zone), Gruden could feel the need to make a QB switch.

But would the change be to Griffin? Let’s say the Redskins stumble to 1-5 under Cousins and are out of any realistic playoff contention. What would there be to gain by risking the $16 million option guarantee if Griffin was to get injured badly enough to be unable to pass a physical in March of next year?

I think that if the season is lost and a quarterback change is made, the player under center would be Colt McCoy. Not because he’s the second best quarterback on the team—he’s not, he’s third by a clear margin—but because the risk of using Griffin, given his high sack rate, is greater than the reward.

Have we necessarily seen the last of Griffin? No, there could be some scenarios where an injury while the Redskins are still in playoff contention could open the door for one more chance for RG3. And, as I noted at the top of the post here, there are a lot of variables in play and an organization that can be unpredictable in its action. So while logic says that the RG3 era is over in DC, the reality could be a different outcome.

Have a question you’d like me to answer? Hit me up on Twitter @Rich_TandlerCSN or at Facebook.com/RealRedskins.

Timeline

Today’s schedule: Practice 11:45; Jay Gruden, Kirk Cousins news conferences and player availability after practice, approx. 1:30

Days until: Eagles @ Redskins 4; Redskins @ Falcons 11; Redskins @ Jets 18

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  1. greed - Sep 30, 2015 at 7:57 AM

    great statistical write up rich . As a fan this is where i use the EYE TEST , it tells me with better personel aroun him Kirk still making the same mistakes until i me personally see RG3 Afforded the same oppurtunity with the same improved talent ont the O-Line and etc. How can we truly make an fair assesment of the two. If they do turn to mcoy it safe to say gruden cousins mcoy and possibly rg3 all will be gone at seasons end as 2014 a wash and i dont see gruden getting a chance with another top pick at QB By scott or dannyboy

    • colorofmyskinz - Sep 30, 2015 at 8:11 AM

      We saw what RGIII does in Detroit preseason with 3 sacks and 6 total hits in 8 drop backs behind the same line. Yes line did not pass protect as well as they are now, but had KIRK been in there, first the line would have WANTED to block for him, and second KIRK would have avoided at least 4 of the 6 hits.

      We know what RGIII does. He us indecisive, he does not get the ball out, and he takes hits. Even Culliver in practice OTAs was yelling at him, “just throw the ball G”. While he was covering his reciever. That is bad that the CB had time to yell that during coverage.

      • hk2000 - Sep 30, 2015 at 8:25 AM

        Well you said the keyword, WANTED! if the line does not want to protect him, then not much can be done, and all the negatives you listed regarding his play can be attributed to that. I’m not gonna blame him if the line does not want to protect him, nor am I going to blame the linemen, I’m blaming the coach- If you and I can see it, then the coach surely did! then again, he maybe the one instigating it in the first place, who knows, we all know where HE stands.

        • brucefan1 - Sep 30, 2015 at 12:47 PM

          Are the commenters here actually letting these two guys claim the offensive line doesn’t block for Griffin because they DO NOT Want TO block for him, and no one calls them out — for more than for hours!

          That claim is a complete load of BULL! These two don’t have a shred of evidence to back any of it up!

          I thought there were posters around here who were much more diligent than to have let such baseless claims go unchallenged. So disappointed.

    • bangkokben - Sep 30, 2015 at 9:09 AM

      As a Griffin fan, I was looking forward to see him with the new personnel as well, unfortunately an ‘independent’ neurologist ‘un-cleared’ Robert to play and the coaches made a decision based on what their eyes tell them.

      • kenlinkins - Sep 30, 2015 at 9:57 AM

        I am not a big RG3 fan but I too wanted to see him play this year with all the changes. Who knows, we both might get our wish before the season is over, it is after all the NFL and Redskins we are talking about here.

        • bangkokben - Sep 30, 2015 at 10:17 AM

          I rather see victories. The only way I want to see Griffin play is Kirk Cousins getting appendicitis. Seeing Griff play would be because Cousins isn’t getting the job done.

        • brucefan1 - Sep 30, 2015 at 12:50 PM

          No … Colt would come first if Cousins goes out. (Or have you not noticed that Gru has Griffin firmly ensconced as the THIRD stringer?)

    • mr.moneylover - Sep 30, 2015 at 9:22 AM

      Its a old report out there saying jay gruden really took the head coach job to work with kirk cousins not rg3 whem he told dan Snyder and bruce allen that he can fix rg3 problems so he basically lied to get the head coaching job….I think scot m. Like rg3 and he will be resign for a one year deal but we will still draft a QB….the Detroit game was a setup for rg3 to get hurt they put a third stringer OL in place of trent Williams whose not in the league nomore…kirk cousins is kirk cousins he is who he is nothing gonna change and ppl stupid if they think he will…scot m. Been studying rg3 he still think rg3 can play hes actually progressing learning how to read defense and its been told around redskins park the rg3 era is not over he will play for the redskins again we just dont know when

      • brucefan1 - Sep 30, 2015 at 12:54 PM

        How can anybody have any faith in anything you say (even the few reasonable parts) when you post stuff like “the Detroit game was a setup for rg3 to get hurt”!

        What the heck’s UP with you guys today?! LOL

    • mr.moneylover - Sep 30, 2015 at 9:29 AM

      Ppl gotta calm down they just trying out the kirk cousins experience its just a matter of time before they switch QB…they giving jay gruden what he want first before they make a change if the kirk cousins experience start to go down hill they will switch…1-4 should get them to switch QBs

      • brucefan1 - Sep 30, 2015 at 1:07 PM

        “1-4 should get them to switch QBs”

        Yeah …. to COLT!

        The Skins will switch to Griffin ONLY if Gru’s not being allowed to choose his own lineup anymore (which was frequently given as the reason for why Cuz was named season-long starter; Scot picks the roster, but Gru picks his starting lineup — both with some input from each other, that is).

        And if Gru is no longer picking his starters then he’s probably long gone … or completely emasculated as Head Coach (but still collecting his big paycheck).

        Heard his big bro Jon hint just that during a broadcast LAST season; if a HC isn’t allowed to chose who he puts on the field, he might as well get outta town!!)

        • abanig - Sep 30, 2015 at 3:31 PM

          If that’s a way to get rid of Gruden, that may be a blessing.

          I’m not sold that Colt gets the nod over Robert, but I will admit it’s most likely.

          As to those who say they want to win, I have to question why they stand behind Cousins so much then. Look, I’ve always maintained that all three guys deserve to have the opportunity to show they can be the Skins long term answer but it just isn’t possible. There aren’t enough balls to go around for all three of our mediocre qbs.

          Cousins has constantly over a 3-year period proven that he is Rex Grossman-like and has proven that his poor turnovers at bad times will cost this team more than Griffin taking a sack or running for 5-10 yards instead of throwing an interception.

          I wanted Cousins to get his shot, just like I wanted Robert to get his and I actually like Colt the best – because he’s the best leader – but I’d rather the younger guys be the answer because they can be the answer for longer than Colt can.

          This whole situation is a mess! Just one big freakin MESS!! It is not any different than it was last year for this team. I don’t see it going well for the Gruden and Cousins marriage this season, I just don’t. I don’t see enough playmakers on the roster – particularly on defense – to make up for the fact that all of our qbs are going to play average at best if any of them play this year.

          This team is what may of us thought it was – no matter who started at qb – and that is a 5 to 8 win team, depending on how many lucky bounces they get. If we are lucky we can compete for the division if the other teams are as poor as we are, but most likely the Cowboys or Giants win 8 to 10 games and take the crown, even with some of their major players being injured.

          Both teams are just better than us, they are better coached, deeper and they rarely beat themselves with penalties and special teams gaffes like Jay Gruden teams often do.

          I think it is a real long shot for the skins to win the NFCE division, no matter who is our quarterback.

  2. colorofmyskinz - Sep 30, 2015 at 8:05 AM

    Honestly here is the bottom line. The blocked punt just killed us. Defense did their job. Held them after we punted the ball back after the TB. Then our next drive we had a horrible execution by KIRK and the reciever. Garçon did not make the intended cut, and KIRK chose to throw into what looked like triple coverage. Once that first interception happened in the 3rd drive in Redskins territory, the game was over. Defense had a short field to protect and had no time to recover. Once the Giants scored that TD. It was over.

    KIRK and Garcon just weren’t in sink in that first bang bang pass. And 3 defenders within 5 yards. Poor decision. Why did they not run?? That is the question. Gruden is just as much to blame for the poor play calling.

    For throwing 49 times, 2 INTs not bad. The second INT was a tipped ball. Not really kirks fault.

    Here is the better stat, ONLY one sack. RGIII would have taken 4-6 easy.

    If we clean up our special teams – Kotwica, your punt formation is horrible. For Christ sakes we can’t punt without fear of block. That is crazy to me. That should be a given.

    We still have the best QB. Our special teams and Gruden need to clean up their game planning.

    • Bryan - Sep 30, 2015 at 8:40 AM

      The 2nd interception was most def kirks fault it was no bang bang play like first. The guy was completely covered and the ball should had been thrown away or he runs for whatever he can get. I can see the first one cuz it’s designed to be fast on time but between garçon not squaring off route and good play by prince. And rich you saying he had to throw 40 times well he was partly to blame for that with the ints and missing td passes causing us to fall behind

      • Rich Tandler - Sep 30, 2015 at 9:01 AM

        Agreed there. He should have either run or thrown it away.

      • skinsgame - Sep 30, 2015 at 10:05 AM

        I’m not defending the 2nd interception but that 1st one was awful. The NY defender barely moved and he threw it DIRECTLY to him. That was not a bang bang play, it was Kirk not looking where he was throwing it. That’s as bad an interception anyone has ever thrown. Ever. All time. Ever.

        • bangkokben - Sep 30, 2015 at 10:22 AM

          The first one was the corner jumping the route. That happens. “the NY defender barely moved and he threw it DIRECTLY to him.” Not at all true. He was 5+ yards behind Garcon, saw the break and beat Garcon to the spot.

        • skinsgame - Sep 30, 2015 at 11:14 AM

          I disagree. And what’s worse, in my humble opinion, is that Kirk had a clear lane and that DB was directly in front of him the whole time. That play was awful and crushing.

        • bangkokben - Sep 30, 2015 at 11:26 AM

          You are in the vast minority on this one. It doesn’t – in its self – make you wrong.
          http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/09/29/jay-gruden-kirk-cousins-interceptions/

        • brucefan1 - Sep 30, 2015 at 1:24 PM

          I love the way Gru describes Garcons snafu, ben; “not a so good of a route by our receiver”. Pure Jay Gruden gobbledygook.

          But I guess if you claim you picked your QB because he throws with anticipation, releasing even before a WR comes open and trusting the guy’ll be at the right spot, then he HAS to blame Pierre’s route!

          And it also kinda explains the “WTF!” look (albeit a somewhat sheepish one) that Cuz gave Garcon as #88 walked by him after that INT. (Pierre didn’t look in Cuz’s direction at all, just kept walkin’.)

        • skinsgame - Sep 30, 2015 at 2:32 PM

          I am in favor of Cousins playing. Even with his mistakes I think he is better than the alternatives. He has to progress though. He can’t throw picks like that and especially in that area of the field. That defender didn’t “jump the route”, he stepped toward the pass that Kirk threw straight at him. I wouldn’t know for certain if Garçon blew the route or not but the coach and QB didn’t mention it when discussing the play. If he did cut it short, then Gruden didn’t lay the blame with him and that should get him a little credit amongst those who despise how he critiqued Griffin. Doubtful.

        • abanig - Sep 30, 2015 at 3:45 PM

          Both interceptions were horrible decisions by Kirk.

          1st one – You are deep in your own territory and your punt team just gave up a safety. When this is the case, you need to be extra careful with your passes. You need to take the checkdown types, the quick passes to wrs etc, etc. Run the ball, and punt it away if you have to. If you’re punting though, scream at Tress Way and tell him to kick the ball faster!! We don’t need to break world records every time you punt, just get the ball off because our protection scheme is not good.

          So yeah, Garcon didn’t run the greatest route, it was a poor playcall for being that deep on your side of the field but Kirk still has to execute better. I have said all offseason Kirk anticipates too much. This was his issue last year and in 2013. He’s not seeing defenders breaking on the ball, he’s throwing the ball to spots like a robot before the WR even makes a break, and I think it’s led to three of his 4 ints this year. IMO Kirk has not improved in this area! He must improve in this area if he wants to keep playing. He can’t just always take his pre-snap read as the gospel because defenses in the NFL will fool you with pre-snap and post-snap looks and that’s how they bait Cousins into his ints.

          The second interception was absolutely atrocious! 1st you have to know who you’re throwing to. #89 is NOT #86 KIRK!! He was blanketed on the route and if he caught the ball it was only going to be a 5 yard gain. Kirk threw across his body also, it was a bad decision, it was an inaccurate pass, it was a turnover around mid field and frankly a 4-year QB and a QB who’s played in a west coast system now for 8+ years dating back to high school & college should know better!

          Kirk should have ran the ball there if no one is open. If Carrier gets a block on that linebacker, Kirk probably runs for 10 to 15 yards and picks up a first down and some momentum for the team.

          I guarantee you both McCoy and Griffin would have run the ball there and got out of bounds after picking up the first down or being close to picking up the first down. Plays like that can be the difference between winning and losing games.

          The Redskins roster isn’t good enough as a whole to overcome stupid turnovers in their own territory. At worst, Kirk needs to play it safe and either eat it and take a sack or throw it away and punt it away. Let the defense make a stop and get you the ball back with better field postion the next possession.

    • greed - Sep 30, 2015 at 8:49 AM

      HONESTLY I love my skins as much as the next fan bv what game or team are you watching! Dont blame garcon he never had a chance prince broke on the ball before he even came out of his break because captain kirk had his mind made up where he was going when he broke the huddle if he would of looked before he threw he wouldve seen the db jump the route and wouldve went to grant on the other side who was open! The 2nd pick was worst instead of throwing the ball away he throws high and behind a covered reciever the only gd point u made was yes regardless of yards per attempt gruden shouldve call more run plays,which lead to my next point dmt praise kirk for only 2 picks in 49 passes the majority of those passes came in the 4th qt when gmen had full control of the game and was playing a soft zone giving up underneath yardage so skins couldnt get back in game with quick strikes for Tdowns dont be fooled when the game was still in competitive balance cousins balled up in a fetal position .

      • Rich Tandler - Sep 30, 2015 at 8:59 AM

        Sorry, simply not true. If Garçon cuts sharply as he should Amukamara at best gets there to knock the ball down, possibly commit PI if he’s early. Yes he read the play but the design should have prevented the INT.

        • skinsgame - Sep 30, 2015 at 10:10 AM

          That is a bad design then. Kirk had a clear line of sight, the DB was in it the entire time, and he threw it anyway. After the game the coach said the DB made a great play, he never mentioned Garçon running a poor route or Kirk throwing it directly at the DB.

        • brucefan1 - Sep 30, 2015 at 1:35 PM

          Absolutely, skinsgame!

          If Cuz couldn’t see that that route had red flags poppin up all over it, then he needs to get his prescription checked.

          Hey! Maybe THAT explains Cuz’s proclivity for interceptions! ;^}

          And as far as changing his story after a few days, we seem to be getting a lot of revisionist history from this staff lately, no?

          (And I hope the Pierre doesn’t mind being the sacrificial lamb on that play, slaughtered at the alter that supports Cousin Kirk? But 88 always was a humble, “team first” guy, wasn’t he?)

        • abanig - Sep 30, 2015 at 4:07 PM

          The issue I have is not that Kirk threw a bad ball or that Garcon didn’t run a great route.

          My issue is that Kirk is like a robot. He reads pre-snap, then always decides where he’s going with the ball even if the coverage changes post-snap. Cousins can’t make adjustments after the ball is snapped. He has a tendency to telegraph his passes by staring down his receivers or not looking off defenders. He also anticipates receivers coming open too much.

          He and Robert at the opposite of each other. Robert wants to see things open before he throws and Kirk a lot of times guesses when things will come open. Neither are good, but at least Robert is throwing to an open receiver, Kirk isn’t always throwing to an open receiver because there is no guarantee that the receiver breaks open when he throws the ball.

          Robert is impatient in the pocket because he isn’t seeing the whole field and if he doesn’t see one of two guys open right away he wants to take what he can as a runner or dump it off.

          Kirk is impatient in the pocket the other way. Kirk throws too soon often times and misses open receivers downfield who break open after he threw to a shorter receiver. Kirk doesn’t let receivers even being to get into their breaks before throwing the ball and this leads to interceptions. Kirk has also thrown behind a lot of receivers the first 3 weeks of the season. This is something that he struggled with this preseason as well.

          I just don’t know what a coach would do. Kirk looks the part – like Rex Grossman – but shoots himself in the foot over and over with turnovers because he isn’t patient in the pocket. Griffin is clearly still developing as a pocket passer in the way that Jason Campbell was his first three years in DC. Griffin can improve though when he becomes more comfortable in the pocket and he’ll still have the decent athletic ability to extend plays and to run when nothing is open downfield. If it were me, I’d be playing Robert or Colt. I don’t see Kirk having much improvement over the past three years. I think he’s a career back up in the NFL and that’s fine, but that’s not what we need starting in DC.

          In Colt McCoy, we have a veteran who’s a good leader, is smart with the ball and is ready to lead this team to victories right now. McCoy can be this teams Alex Smith. Then, we have Griffin who’s upside is that of a top 10 qb, if he ever gets more comfortable in the pocket as he learns how to play from the pocket.

          I don’t know why we start the guy who is what he is and we should all know what he is by now, he’s Rex Grossman.

    • greed - Sep 30, 2015 at 9:04 AM

      yes special teams need to be improved no question about that BUT the block punt happend in 1st qt of 1st series by no means did that loose the game they played 3more qts ! LOL You funny first of all it was PRESEASON on top of that they started a left tackle w smith who was a right tackle and got beat like a drum and then cut 2days later, a rookie G Shereff and 2nd yr T m moses playing their 2nd game together and first game played what 10-15 snaps lol cmon man RG3 stood in the pocket took a beating finally came to his senses and tried to avoid the rush and got hurt! Soon as kirk came in game gruden calls rollouts and playactions – and just for calling kirk the best QB shows u have no clue!

      • colorofmyskinz - Sep 30, 2015 at 9:27 AM

        Your real funny. So because it was preseason and play calling he took those hits. In the real season that would never happen… YOU ARE HIGH!

        How many hits does he take in regular season compared to all other QBs??? Case closed.

        • greed - Sep 30, 2015 at 10:49 AM

          only one high here is you unless you just cant read! I stated skins have better talent on O-LINE i cant compare RG or Mcoy to what kirk has done until I ,ME,! Can see RG play behind this vastly improved line-RG played behind a pisspoor line since he been in DC the first yr they was able to hide that with the read opt and shannys bootlegg-last yr all 3 QB started out solid then once they started taking hits and bein rushed their play dropped not just RG but kirk and colt – RG took more sacks instead of taking sacks kirk made quicker reads threw more int ie the titan and giant game and colt simply ran for his life until he got hurt so stop looking through your kirk goggles and be objective or put the pipe down -CASE OPEN!

  3. kenlinkins - Sep 30, 2015 at 8:17 AM

    Rich: If RG3 failed the March physical and claimed the $16 million that would mean the Redskins own his rights for 2016 and he would be placed on I/R (equals rehab of a major injury like another ACL or NFL ending injury, no team practice, no playing time for 2 years running, no position coach to help improve his game etc). That is just a lose / lose for both the Redskins and RG3. If that happened, what would be the best deal RG3 could get from another NFL team? Maybe a one year prove it deal at $2 million for 2017? If RG3 doesn’t play in 2015 the best deal he will get is about $2.2 million for 2016. Wouldn’t it be better for both the Redskins and RG3 if he resigned a 2016 deal at $4.5 million now with a $6 million option for injury in 2017 and remove from play the $16 million? The only down side to this would be coach Gruden having RG3 in the back-round pushing for playing time now, when it might still help the Redskins. While I am not a big RG3 fan I do understand that he has talent and is a asset that has lose a lot of his value but it could be rebuild. If Cousins falls to 1-6 and the rest of the team shows improvement why not try and reset the clock on RG3 and if Gruden is 8-24 and the biggest concern is the waste of three talented QB’s that he could not make into a starter, don’t we have to assume that maybe Gruden will not be here in 2017? I want to base RG3 leaving the Redskins on his play this year, not last year! And to date, I just can not say that RG3 failed, but that a contract option has beaten him (as it is not Cousins or McCoy yet). Who saw what in RG3 when the Redskins pulled the trigger on the $16 million, and why hasn’t he been fired?

    • Rich Tandler - Sep 30, 2015 at 8:37 AM

      The final say on the option should be McCloughan’s, although that’s a murky area. At the time, it was done with the thinking that he would be the starting QB in 2015.

      I don’t know why you’d pay a QB who doesn’t seem to be able to play in your offense $4.5 million and offer Griffin any sort of injury option.

      • kenlinkins - Sep 30, 2015 at 9:20 AM

        My thinking is that both the Redskins and RG3 would have to benefit from a new contract. RG3 would lose the $16 million for injury but gain a year to prove he is a starting NFL QB before going free agent. The Redskins would get away from the $16 million and have another option at QB this year and next if needed (and could also trade RG3). Cousins is not signed for 2016 and may want a fresh start after showing what he can do this year. That also gives the new GM a better read on what he thinks RG3 really is. In effect it sets up the battle that never happened this year in camp and at lower cost no matter what happens. If the $16 million was a “murky area” why not remove it now when it could benefit the Redskins in the long run? (unless it is so murky the new GM can not remove it)? The question that is not answered is “What happened to RG3 from the time he was the $16 million man to the right after the Loins game?” Someone made a mistake, either the owner, coach or GM and I would like to see someone own that mistake. Right now, that mistake has the Redskins hands tied and has placed a pretty big bet on Cousins, all I am asking is who’s chips are they? and now that the odds have changes a bit (i.e. 1-2, could be 3-0, Cousins still not in the clear) why not try and hedge that bet a bit? It seems like the smart move with the data I have, unless I do not know who placed the big bet on Cousins! My guess it owners mistake, coach’s big bet and GM waiting for the next spin of the wheel!

    • bangkokben - Sep 30, 2015 at 9:47 AM

      “If RG3 doesn’t play in 2015 the best deal he will get is about $2.2 million for 2016.”

      This is just not lined up with reality. Chase “used-to-be-a-redskin” Daniel has a cap hit of $4.8M BACKING UP Alex Smith. Any starting QB is making a boatload of cash – even if they were in a “prove it” deal. Here’s a list of QBs whose contracts average more than TEN MILLION a year – in fact starting at $12,250,000 and ending at $19,000,000 a year.

      Nick Foles
      Sam Bradford
      Alex Smith
      Matt Stafford
      Jay Cutler
      Colin Kaepernick
      Ryan Tannehill

      No Griffin won’t be making as much as those guys next year but his camp will be looking for the best deal and the best deal is likely to be multi-year deal instead of a Mark Sanchez prove-it deal. The less Griffin plays this year, the more his stock goes up.

      • bangkokben - Sep 30, 2015 at 9:48 AM

        No more bold for me since I can’t turn it off. Back to caps.

      • kenlinkins - Sep 30, 2015 at 9:53 AM

        Interesting statement that RG3’s value go’s up if he doesn’t play. Not sure it is true, but something to think about. Thanks for the insight.

        • bangkokben - Sep 30, 2015 at 10:14 AM

          I look at this way. Last year’s ankle injury was declared a season end-er at the time. Then upon further review, lo and behold Griffin returns in near record time – once again to his own detriment. Had Griffin been secure in his place and took the season off, our lasting memory would’ve been of his athleticism before the injury and efficiency to execute a conservative game plan against Houston. The Redskins likely finish the season in a similar fashion and Gruden is forced to work with Griffin this year to see what we have in him.

          So right now, Griff is not putting anything bad on tape, getting rest, still 25 years old, and the rest of the league is seeing inadequate qb play from the young guys: Luck, Kaepernick, Tannehille, even Cousins; as well as, seeing some mainstays miss games due to injury (Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, Tony Romo) all the while seeing how important it is to have a good back-up.

      • brucefan1 - Sep 30, 2015 at 1:54 PM

        Ben, how do you get that bold font (or even italics for that matter) in your posts? I like it!

        And its true, after seeing what guys like Mariota and Tyrod Taylor are doing for their teams this year as DUAL threats (leaving out Kap,not for his running style, but for his poor play) I can’t believe their aren’t a few similarly-inclined teams who think they could get some of that outta Griffin, and will pay at least a few bob for it.

        And again, why would he ever return to the Skins for a penny less than his contracted $16 mill, especially if Gru was still the coach! But then, if Gru WAS still the coach, that means his experiment using Cuz worked out adequately and Robert (& his 16 mill) would be superfluous.

        Like Rich wrote, “logic says that the RG3 era is over in DC”!

        • bangkokben - Sep 30, 2015 at 4:03 PM

          It’s possible that Gruden returns and Cousins fails. Gru has three more years $15M guaranteed! Perhaps McC sees it as a QB issue. If that’s the case, Gru would likely be the coach through 2017 as he’d likely get the rookie QB pass next year. It’s not as if Gru has picked any of QBs, he’s inherited Shanahans – which is unusual in this day and age for an offensive-minded HC not selecting his QB. Griffin, Cousins, the Gru’s choice FA or draft pick.

          As for the font stuff, I don’t know what I’m doing.

  4. hk2000 - Sep 30, 2015 at 8:18 AM

    That was THE WORST math I have ever seen! how do you just set aside the turnovers?? The net yards when you take turnovers into account becomes so lopsided, its not even close, that’s number 1, number 2, Griffin has never ever had the time to throw or close to the time to throw that Cousins has been getting in these3 games. Aside from that, I think I agree with your premise, not for the reasons you give, but because the Gruden-Griffin duo WILL NEVER EVER WORK-EVER.

    • Rich Tandler - Sep 30, 2015 at 8:32 AM

      I did discuss the turnovers at length. If you want to say that the INTs overrule the sacks, that’s fine. I also point out that when Griffin throws the ball as often as Cousins did against the Giants he gets picked off, too. And in those two games where Griffin threw 49+ times he was sacked a total of five times and lost a fumble in addition to the three picks. So sacks and turnovers galore.

      Like most QBs in the league, neither one does well when forced to throw a lot.

    • sidepull - Sep 30, 2015 at 9:08 AM

      I think sometimes Cousins does appear to get more time to throw, not because the line favors Cousins, or because they block better for Cousins. I see Cousins making subtle movement in the pocket that buys him the time. He has to work for the time. Its not just given to him. The other side of it is, when he has the time, he can still throw a pick. Thats what gets me. He can make time in the pocket but his decisions….

      • skinsgame - Sep 30, 2015 at 10:14 AM

        He has outstanding pocket presence. Buys time plenty. I think he has better results if he throws while running.

        • bangkokben - Sep 30, 2015 at 10:32 AM

          “I think he has better results if he throws while running.”

          Here’s where I disagree. Great boot, the design of the play opened up the right side for a wide-open Grant and Cousins was so far off the mark that Grant couldn’t even get a fingertip on the ball laying all-out for it. Cousins has skills moving within the pocket but becomes horribly inaccurate when on the move.

        • skinsgame - Sep 30, 2015 at 11:12 AM

          I do remember that play, but it was just one play. Admittedly though, I’m going off of what my impression has been. It seems to me Kirk has fared better on the boots and roll outs. We’ll have to ask for a NTK and maybe Rich can help us with that breakdown.

        • hk2000 - Sep 30, 2015 at 12:00 PM

          RG3 was not doing any boots or roll outs, not sure if he’s just being stubborn trying to prove he can do it from the pocket or the coach is not calling them, either way, he never had a pocket no more than a couple of feet around him on almost every play. Someone mentioned the line does not want to block for him, that maybe, in which case, I say he’s done here, but i would still blame the coach for that- he needs to make sure they block for him and if they fail, he-the coach- failed, rather than oh, well lets put in the backup QB instead- that’s not a leader HC mentality, that’s a loser wimp mentality, unless of course, it was what he wanted in the first place!!!!!!

  5. shawnbridy31 - Sep 30, 2015 at 8:22 AM

    I just want RG3 to play, i rather have the sacks and get a chance to punt rather than throwing INT’S POINT BLANK!!!!!

    • mr.moneylover - Sep 30, 2015 at 9:10 AM

      Agree, but jay gruden dont like rg3 hes a kirk cousins lover so its possible we might see rg3 next year with a new head coach

    • Skulb - Sep 30, 2015 at 9:15 AM

      Bu Griffin throws interceptions too. If you add up the fumbles and the INTs last year he had 11 in 9 games. And then you add the abnormal amount of sacks and resulting three and outs onto that and it´s just not efficient. At least Kirk almost never gets sacked and rarely fumbles.

    • colorofmyskinz - Sep 30, 2015 at 9:17 AM

      RGIII took 3 sacks and 6 total hits in 8 drop backs. You might as well wish for last place every year with those stats. He could not even get the ball out of his hands. Worst QB from pocket in the history of the NFL.

      • gasngo14 - Sep 30, 2015 at 8:21 PM

        well said!

        • abanig - Sep 30, 2015 at 8:46 PM

          What game was that?

          I watched Griffin one one leg play like a top 20 qb in 2013. He was on pace for 3,900 + yards, 20+ TDs & 15 ints & 600 rushing yards.

          One or two bad games when he hadn’t played in two months doesn’t define him. The last 3 games of 2014 he was starting to play like himself again. 245 yds a game and a TD or maybe two a game.

  6. shawnbridy31 - Sep 30, 2015 at 8:31 AM

    Everybody talkn bout the INT’S and sacks, if yall rather take INT’s over sacks yall are true IDIOTS. at least wen u get sacked u got another chance to do something, throwing INT’s just crushes the team morale. When he threw the first 1 everybody saw the team just seemed like it was over from there

    • sidepull - Sep 30, 2015 at 9:10 AM

      Agree but you have seen some of those sacks resulted in a fumble right?

  7. shawnbridy31 - Sep 30, 2015 at 8:33 AM

    Teams know to beat the Redskins just stop the run an make Kurt throw the ball…..game over POINT BLANK. Thanks Jay for making my favorite team predictable, what a IDIOT

    • sidepull - Sep 30, 2015 at 9:16 AM

      Ha, I get your point but look at the Redskins record for the past couple years. Don’t matter who is the QB, teams know how to beat the Redskins based on the evidence that they have and the Redskins are in the basement. Most teams want to stop the run. And I dont care who the QB is personally. I just want a win. Whichever one of these QB’s can string together some wins is getting my support. Just get the Redskins the heck out of the basement.

    • bangkokben - Sep 30, 2015 at 9:51 AM

      Who is Kurt?

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 30, 2015 at 4:25 PM

        Sorry, he meant Curt

        • bangkokben - Sep 30, 2015 at 4:30 PM

          Exactly. Curt Cuz’n: number eight in your playbook but number twelve in your hearts.

  8. shawnbridy31 - Sep 30, 2015 at 8:41 AM

    Rich is definitely a Kurt fan, look at Kurt record wen he had the chance to start, it don’t look good. Don’t 4get Kurt and RG3 came in the league at the same time mite I say Rich. Who’s been the better QB since then or mite I say who took us to the playoffs. I remember the playoff game, we was up 14 to 0 with RG3 bad leg against the Seahawks an then wen he got hurt Kurt came in an all he’ll broke loose

    • Rich Tandler - Sep 30, 2015 at 9:01 AM

      First, the guy’s name is Kirk.

      Second, I’m not a “fan”. Just look through Twitter and in the comments here and you’ll find me being called an RG apologist and a Cousins hater. All part of the job.

      Third, QB wins are not a stat. Yes, QB has great impact but has no control over too many facets of the game to be credited with W’s and blamed for L’s.

    • hail74 - Sep 30, 2015 at 12:50 PM

      You clearly did not watch that game. Rg3 got us a 14 pt lead,got hurt,stayed in game and eventually fumbled the ball on his acl tear injury which Seattle recovered to seal the win. Nice try.

  9. mr.moneylover - Sep 30, 2015 at 9:07 AM

    I would think they would end up going back to rg3 but with jay gruden pride and ego I think he would do whatever it takes not to play rg3 again because he would be scared that rg3 would play well and he be the guy to blame for not standing behind rg3 but instead supported kirk cousins since day 1…like I said I rather rg3 not play this season I rather for him to learn how to read defense and work on his footwork and get resign when we bring in a new head coach…kirk cousins not a rookie nomore and to see hes still making rookie mistakes after he got more snaps in jay gruden system then rg3 is mind blowing…rg3 never really got a chance to improve in jay gruden system its actually been the kirk cousins show last year and this year…ppl say kirk cousins was on a short leash last year thats BS he played a big part in the redskins not having a respectable record last year didnt he started 6 or 7 games and he was so bad against the titans that colt mccoy had to finish the game but kirk cousins got the credit for the win because he started…kirk cousins had to many chances to fix the problems he have its time to start colt mccoy or rg3

    • renhoekk2 - Sep 30, 2015 at 9:49 AM

      REALLY? That’s what it has come to now? Griffin isn’t playing because Gruden is afraid that Robert will have success and win, and in turn make him look bad. That’s why he’s not playing? I like Robert, and in an offense that better suits his skill set he can succeed as 2012 showed, But he is 5-15 the last two seasons.as a starter. If it were the other way around and Cousins was 5-15 the last two seasons everyone would be fine if Griffin got the stating job this year and started out 1-2. Don’t even try to deny it.

    • sidepull - Sep 30, 2015 at 9:54 AM

      Another way to look at it is job security. Rg3 wins and wins some more Gruden has too feel pretty secure. I think QB performance and Coach are joined at the hip. Gruden has to want to win. Saying he wouldn’t make a move because of ego to me is a stretch. I get what you are saying, I just have a different pov. Gruden has a lot on his plate right now with all the injuries piling up and by havig RG3 on the roster he is always going to be questioned. Hes making big bucks to deal with it so I dont expect him to make a bunch of excuses, but its not my money, its Snyders. Ha.

  10. greed - Sep 30, 2015 at 9:26 AM

    rich with all do respect the play design is not for kirk to just turn around and throw without looking , Garcon never had a chance ! even SIMMS stated that -kirk clearly had his mind set on throwing to garcon during presnap read and was throwing to a spot -Simms during telecast and Jaworski next day both said he never snap his head around after playaction to find the DB i guess their wrong too.

    • colorofmyskinz - Sep 30, 2015 at 9:41 AM

      So the concept of a timing play pass is not a concept that people like Brady and rogers use. Release the ball to a spot without waiting for the reciever to be open … Come on man.

      RGIII uses the back yard football technique. Wait for the reciever to get to a spot, then the reciever has to jump up and down and wave jus hands yelling, over here over here. After all defenders realize the pass is going to that guy, then RGIII releases it.

      • skinsgame - Sep 30, 2015 at 10:18 AM

        A timing pass play 6 yards from the line of scrimmage, running toward the middle of the field and the LB’s and safeties? I don’t think so. Garçon ran a short route and likely didn’t run it clean but, no way Kirk should have thrown that pass.

    • Rich Tandler - Sep 30, 2015 at 9:48 AM

      Not sure now you know the play design. Yes, the was throwing to a spot, the spot where Garçon was supposed to be. If he was there, it was at worst an incompletion.

      • greed - Sep 30, 2015 at 10:34 AM

        RICH come on now your better than this how can garcon be at a spot when the db jumps the route before the wr even breaks – skins ran this play in first two games and prince was waiting on them to run it against him for u to try to give some blame to garcon is crazy this is all on kirk

        • gasngo14 - Sep 30, 2015 at 8:24 PM

          so would that not be on the staff , not the player ? when the player did what was asked of him?

    • colmac69 - Sep 30, 2015 at 11:26 AM

      In my eyes a timing pattern is having trust that your receiver is in spot where ball is thrown too…..I would imagine it be hard for a qb to hold onto ball if he sees something he doesn’t like as it happens so quickly

      If qb doesn’t throw ball it would mess up entire play and I would imagine b problem for o-line as I think they be dropping to pre determined spot depending on playcall (never played game so I don’t know if that part is correct)……then play becomes a scramble all over place

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Sep 30, 2015 at 12:10 PM

        If he doesn’t throw the ball he goes to another receiver or his dump off. If he can’t do that then scramble and/or throw the ball away.

  11. gurnblanstonreturns - Sep 30, 2015 at 9:29 AM

    The quicker the Skins release Griffin the better. The rebuilding will go so much more smoothly without this circus erupting after every interception. No matter how hard it is to accept as a fan, total wins and losses do not matter this year. Competing matters. Toughness matters. Attitude matters. A few more hard-fought victories than last year would mean a lot, but the win total does not. Evaluate the full roster as the season goes on. Decide the level of priority to assign QB after a full season with Cousins as with every position. Since McCloughan was hired, I have maintained that he should be judged based on the 2017 opening day roster, if Danny leaves him alone and lets him do his job. If the goal is to be competitive and in contention year in and year out, 2017 is a reasonable time to expect results.

    All the statistical analysis in the world about Griffin is pointless. He is not the same player he was in 2012 due to injuries. The offense he excelled in is not coming back – NFL defensive coordinators ended it. Griffin has shown very little, if any, progress in a pro-style offense. Plus, his contract makes the risk of another injury too high – Lloyd’s of London wouldn’t bet on his ability to stay healthy. I do not believe Griffin can be an effective NFL starter, and I have no doubt that he will not avoid injury if he does get significant playing time. The Skins need to move on.

    The Skins are not one player away from winning. Injuries are revealing how thin depth still is. Special teams suffer due to this lack of depth. Holes are everywhere even though McCloughan’s roster is vastly improved over 2014.

    I suggest strongly that the biggest question facing the Skins going into the second year of this rebuild is not about QBs or any other players. The big question for McCloughan is: Does he have his head coach? I believe that answer is no and will be addressed this year.

    • kenlinkins - Sep 30, 2015 at 9:48 AM

      That’s the question I still do not understand. If the GM has made his mind up that RG3 is a bust, why is he still here (i.e cut him, move on)? If the GM doesn’t think RG3 is a bust and can regain his value why not try and remove the $16 million option that keeps him from playing at some point (or a trade). Why keep him in limbo? Could it be that the owner pushed the $16 million option, the coach pushed for Cousins and the GM is buying time to say Both must go at years end? Does anything else make sense? As fast as Amerson and others were let go by the new GM, why the big delay on RG3? By keeping RG3 here, isn’t he saying that he has a value to the Redskins, but that value can not be unlocked while the $16 million hangs over the Redskins heads. Either get rid of the player or get rid of the option!

      • colorofmyskinz - Sep 30, 2015 at 10:04 AM

        RGIII has nothing to do with the GM. It have everything to do with SNYDER.

      • bangkokben - Sep 30, 2015 at 10:07 AM

        You can’t remove the option.

        • kenlinkins - Sep 30, 2015 at 10:35 AM

          true, the GM can not just remove the option, but he could offer a new deal to RG3 that would remove it.

        • bangkokben - Sep 30, 2015 at 10:54 AM

          I don’t see why Griffin would want a new deal.

      • gasngo14 - Sep 30, 2015 at 8:33 PM

        ken maybe they are hoping for a deal from another team? There is no reason to be in a hurry with rob , we have to pay him this season regardless so why cut him and allow him to possibly play for another team while we pay him ….why not keep him and hope for a team to offer something in return ?? the only thing that we are hurting at this point is a (1) roster spot we pay him regardless so why not hold a little hope for getting something out of this 4 pick bust at this point?

        • kenlinkins - Oct 1, 2015 at 12:04 AM

          That make sense right up to the trading deadline. If the new GM does cut him right after the deadline, I would say you were 100% correct. Or maybe the new GM figures that RG3 could still turn it around if he is pressed into service due to injury. If that happens I would again say that you are right on the money with your “no reason to hurry” statement. I guess you and the new GM think more alike than I do.

    • greed - Sep 30, 2015 at 11:22 AM

      im going to counter respectfully a couple points u made-ok yes not the same O we ran in 2012 so basically 2013 first yr in pro offense with a bad o-line coming off injury where he missed all offseason and training camp even bruce allen said in hindsight that skins were wrong for starting him begg of season-now new headcoach who himself admitted he learning as a first time hc o-line still god awful refuses to commit to the run berates his quaterback in the media this is not how u develop a qb give him a running game solid o-line and Def while developing passing game throughout season – gruden set up rg for failure to prove a point to dan that he wants kirk not rg and truthfly he only flexing his ego cause he has a 5yr guaraunteed contract- the ceiling with rg is unlimited if developed right kirk ceilng is just to be average at best and if that what he wants fine but he and management should of made that clear before he took a job with a team who gave up multiple picks for the 2nd pick in the draft

      • gurnblanstonreturns - Sep 30, 2015 at 2:35 PM

        I appreciate respectful responses and will do the same. I do not pretend that the Skins fielded a good team in 2013 or 2014. I do contend that the o-line was not as bad last year as the media and fans thought. The run scheme under Shanahan continued under holdover Chris Foerster without the credible option threat. The pass protection of the RBs and TEs was atrocious, and, yes, Griffin was responsible for an inordinate number of sacks.

        Again, I believe that McCloughan recognized early that he had to focus on upgrading the roster, the front office operation and the coaching staff because franchise politics and contracts required that the two biggest questions play out on the field in 2015 – namely, does he have the HC and the QB necessary to become consistently competitive.

        I believe the answers are in: no and no.

        Gruden should be dismissed for many of the reasons you mentioned. His gameplanning, his playcalling, his inability to prepare his team to perform without critical unforced errors like penalties, missed assignments and lack of composure, his immaturity in dealing with the media and his apparent inability to oversee all phases of the team, especially special teams, indicate a coach out of his depth.

        I simply disagree with your assessment of Griffin. His ceiling is quite limited. He no longer possesses the preternatural physical gifts he had in 2012. He is inordinately injury-prone with no discernible progress in playing smarter with an eye to protecting himself. Most fundamentally, he has never run a pro-style offense, ever. He did not even have a route tree in college. He has demonstrated no progress in improving in the basic areas required to be a successful NFL starter. Many, many people – including Griffin himself – can be rightfully faulted for his failure to develop. Shanahan’s decision to leave him in the Seattle playoff game was near criminal. The team’s indulgence of Griffin’s obsession to return week one of 2013 was negligent. Etc., etc., etc. But, my opinion is that he will never be a successful NFL starter. The best chance Griffin has to prove me wrong lies with another team. And, the Skins best chance to build a consistently competitive team requires eliminating the circus of dysfunction. Fair, not fair, right, wrong, indifferent, Griffin is part of this dysfunction. Time to move on.

        • greed - Sep 30, 2015 at 4:04 PM

          again respectfully, we’re saying same things just diff conclusions! You cause rg part of dysfunction he needs to go too and skins start over with clean slate from everyone? ME- Because dysfunction coming from the top shanny bailed on rg after seattle playoff lost refusing for taking the blame for leaving him in the game and rg not coming to his rescue with the media he his ego couldnt take him not being loved more or as just as much as an player by fans media and ownership as he was in denver he thought cause he came to town with two rings he would get that automony ,wrong! Only one coach get that around here J GIBBS! Gruden never was on board with rg from day1 any good HC plays to his players strengths while working on teams and players weakness shanny attempted this but let his ego get in his way -where gruden has the nerve to have an ego beats da hell out of me so either he comes to his senses and try and develop rg and if griffin shows no impovement then yes move on but until rg gets a fair shot keepem

        • gurnblanstonreturns - Sep 30, 2015 at 5:21 PM

          You’re right, greed. We simply have a difference of opinion on Griffin. I can see your points about his development and opportunities, but I don’t think he can play. I think we do wholeheartedly agree that Gruden is in over his head. Thanks for the conversation.

        • squawonthewarpath - Sep 30, 2015 at 10:27 PM

          Hi Gurn…I don’t post/comment here often. I mainly just read the comments to keep abreast of what is going on with the team and perceptions from other fans. I do want to say, however, it was refreshing to read your well-written, to the point and most important, realistic viewpoint about the state of the team. Thanks.

    • squawonthewarpath - Sep 30, 2015 at 10:30 PM

      Well said Gurn.

  12. sidepull - Sep 30, 2015 at 9:32 AM

    I think one variable in the QB drama is not just the performance of the QB ( which by all rights should be the main factor), but management. I swear that front office is liable to do anything. I give them credit early on this season, they kept mum about a lot of things, but I expect, as in years past, if the Redskins continue to lose, the patience will be replaced by angst and then anything is liable to happen. Thus it seems there is always instability with the Redskins. The Patriots, Steelers,Packers, they don’t lose much coach wise or QB, they don’t change much, they just reload, season after season. We get ne coaches and QB’s at the drop of a hat. That to me is the management at work. What we have seen with these coaches and QB’s is management at work. They brought these guys in here and sign their checks. If they don’t perform up to the fans expectations, we argue and debate, but until somebody in Redskin park starts winning…, well lets say winning change everything.

  13. rbick - Sep 30, 2015 at 10:14 AM

    This team has won 7(SEVEN) games the last 2 full seasons. You have to START somewhere. Through 3 games the defense is ranked #2 NFL. The rush D is ranked #3 NFL. Rushing O is ranked #3 YPG. It starts with the line. This is a building process. Honestly, it’s NOT about the QB. It’s about building a team from the lines out. Get used to erratic play and steep learning curve from any average(below) QB in the NFL. It takes time. Let the season play out. Build the franchise brick by brick from the ground up. In football that means start with the lines. This has been addressed in the off season and so far, it looks like the right player decisions have been made. Give the GM time. It’s the ONLY hope we have. HTTR.

    • abanig - Sep 30, 2015 at 4:56 PM

      So, drafting one offensive lineman in round 1 and signing 3 free agents to the DL is all the right moves?

      I hate to be the skunk, but Bruce Allen had as much to do with the current redskins offensive and defensive lines as Scott McCloughan, actually more to do with what they look like than McCloughan.

      Allen signed Lauvao, drafted Moses & Long. Allen signed Hatcher – the team’s best defensive lineman and he re-signed the team’s most versatile defensive lineman last year – Chris Baker.

      Most people don’t want to hear this because Allen has done a crappy job as the head of Redksins PR but he’s responsible for a lot of the young players who are on this roster right now. He’s also reaponsible for McCloughan’s hire.

  14. Dcwun - Sep 30, 2015 at 11:07 AM

    I’m Cousins was average to below average against the Dolphins, good against the Rams and POOR against the Giants. The INTs against the Giants didn’t bother me as much as the missed TDs and poor accuracy. He just looked terrified and the body language was bad yet again. For the record, I don’t care who’s the QB as long as we win……

  15. pdxskin - Sep 30, 2015 at 1:21 PM

    I find it very interesting that some posters who favor RG3 say “he can still be fixed, he just needs a different coach to work with him”, and in the same post they say “Kirk is what he is (i.e. interception machine), he isn’t going to change”. So despite all evidence to the contrary, they want to believe RG3 is fixable, while they are quick to dismiss Kirk as a lost cause???

    The reality is that Kirk is currently the best QB on the roster (as disappointing as that may be), and gives us the best chance to win in the short term, so you might as well embrace it. Expect movement on the QB front in the off-season, but for now we have move forward with what we have, which is Kirk and Colt.

    P.S. Due to the $16 million injury-guaranteed option, Griffin isn’t really a viable QB at this point. Remember the salary cap penalty years? If the injury clause were to be activated for 2016, it would be the equivalent of a $16 mil cap penalty – not something a GM who is in process of trying to rebuild a team needs to have added to his burden.

    • brucefan1 - Sep 30, 2015 at 2:31 PM

      “The reality is that Kirk is currently the best QB on the roster”

      Actually we have NO idea how much improvement Griffin made in the off-season. He did OK in the Cleveland preseason game (even tho he got blamed for the Garcon drop! LOL), got mugged repeatedly in the Lions game (even tho he got blamed for a woefully inadequate job by the o-line!) — and that was IT! Just a handful of plays and he was out — for good!

      Of course we HAD heard lots of media reports about how well Griffin looked in camp, and even some praise from Gru — until we DIDN’T, that is. Then there was a lotta back-peddling and “hummanuh-hummanuh” from all parties involved about Griffin’s play — not to mention an astounding admission by Gru that his naming of RG3 as the team’s starter was a fraud and a sham from the beginning!!

      So we have only this guy’s word (and I use that term loosely in his case) about Griffin being only a third-string-quality QB. The same guy who we’ve been told by an eyewitness disparaged, discredited and disrespected (“DIS” seems to be the operative prefix!) Griffin to unprecedented degrees in practice last season. With only Gru’s “word” as a guide, I for one would have liked to have seen Griffin play a little more before accepting him as a 3rd-string QB.

      • gasngo14 - Sep 30, 2015 at 8:39 PM

        BOB is done here get it through that thick head of yours …….he is still making high school level mistakes , yes HIGH SCHOOL not rookie not 2nd year HIGH SCHOOL MISTAKES :))

    • darcrequiem - Oct 1, 2015 at 8:39 AM

      I think reason Kirk gets “he is what his” criticism is because he’s been in this style of offense since he was at Michigan State. If you’ve watch Kirk play at MSU. He was doing the same things in college 6 or 7 years back that he is doing now. He hasn’t shown any real improvement.

      • abanig - Oct 1, 2015 at 1:18 PM

        This is exactly my issue. Kirk Cousijs has played the same way since 2009. He has not improved from what I’ve seen and he’s been in a west coast offense since 2009.

        That’s the fundamental difference between evaluating where Kirk is and where Robert is.

  16. Gstar - Oct 1, 2015 at 12:08 AM

    Your comparison stats leave out running the ball. If you factor in Griffin’s run game he is clearly the better alternative. It is becoming increasingly clear that Cousins is missing an intangible that does not make him a winner. His record in previous seasons shows it and he is demonstrating it again. RGIII and Colt McCoy both seem to have that intangible. The coaching staff needs to commit to them.

    • abanig - Oct 1, 2015 at 8:24 AM

      This is true, when Griffin or McCoy throw for 200 to 250 yards a game with 1 turnover and 1 TD and run the ball for 25 to 50 yards a game, the skins have a better chance of winning than when cousins throws for 250 yards and has two interceptions with zero rushing yards.

      With Griffin & Cousins being a threat of running the ball it also helps out the Redskins running game also.

      • Rich Tandler - Oct 1, 2015 at 8:57 AM

        When was the last time McCoy or Griffin had a game like you describe? Griffin did have 41 vs. the Bucs (multiple turnovers) and 41 at NYG (lost a fumble at the goal line, awful at the end of the game). McCoy had 24 rushing in that same game, a non-competitive loss. No more than 16 in any other game.

        Hypothetically, sure. But in recent history you’re comparing things that just haven’t happened.

        • abanig - Oct 1, 2015 at 9:28 AM

          First off I’m using numbers they aren’t concrete. When in saying those yardage #s, I mean around that.

          When watching Griffin or McCoy you see them not take a lot of unnecessary risks downfield. Theyll check the ball down, they’ll run for a few yards instead of maybe throwing an interception. Possessing the ball is important in the NFL – it’s really a premium.

          I saw Griffin have 1 or zero turnovers against the Texans, 49ers, Eagles & Giants last year. I saw McCoy do this against the Titans, Cowboys & Colts.

          Bottom line is I don’t trust Kirk Cousins to win this team games ever. He’s never done it. He’s never come for behind or in a game is tied and taken the team to victory. He looks like a lifetime loser at qb to me judging by his horrific record and his propensity to throw interceptions at the worst time.

          Give me the qb who’s going to rush for 25 or so – happy now? – yards a game, pick up some first downs with him legs rather than the guy who forces throws and loses games. Give me the qb who’s going to throw to open receivers and not to guys who may be open or may not be open, because I’m just guessing.

          I can’t stand it anymore. I don’t think Cousins has it in him to be a winning qb in the NFL. He always seems to break when the pressure mounts.

        • Rich Tandler - Oct 1, 2015 at 9:38 AM

          Still, the notion that RG and Colt somehow help win games with their legs has no basis in reality, not in the last year-plus, anyway. And if interceptions are the end all of the discussion, which QB between RG and Cousins threw more TD’S than picks last year?

        • Bahaa - Oct 3, 2015 at 9:07 AM

          Rich this is getting old….. This system is custom fit for cousins yet he’s 2-9…… Cousins and rg3 both played the Earle’s last year …. The media raves about how cousins played Ina LOSS …. In a shootout and downplayed rg3’s win against a desperate team that needed the win to go into the playoffs….. Cousins had a great first half help by a 50 yard screen by helu and 80 yard catch and run by desean….. But as usual he crashed and burned in the second half when the pressure was on…. He went 11-23 with an ints…. That who cousins is …. He’s great without pressure when the pressure is on he crumbles in a custom fit system….,

        • abanig - Oct 3, 2015 at 10:38 AM

          Exactly. I wish it wasnt true, but for 3 years whenever Cousins had pressure on him in the 4th quarter with a chance to win the game, he fell apart.

          They Redskins didn’t only lose vs the Eagles last year because of how Cousins threw a bad int when trying to complete a pass to Paul when PAul wasn’t finished running his route – in typical Cousins fashion – or because they gave up a kick off touchdown return, a missed FG by Kai, but also on the final drive Cousins couldn’t complete a pass. He kept short arming passes on the final drive of the game when Cousins was trying to lead the team to victory. It was sad, and it was a total vision of Cousins’ career so far in a nutshell.

          Great first half, in the second half he falls apart and he fails to make the correct decisions and make plays in the fourth quarter to lead the team to a victory.

          When Romo & Ryan had a chance to beat tge Giants in the fourth quarter in weeks one & two, they made the plays to get the job done. When Cousins had that opportunity he shrunk in the moment and fell apart.

        • Rich Tandler - Oct 3, 2015 at 10:56 AM

          So Cousins is 2-9? I must be forgetting about all of the victories the Redskins have racked up with other QBs behind center over the last two-plus years.

          It is not my belief that he is a great quarterback or even a good one; it’s just clear that he’s the best of the three on the roster right now.

  17. skins26portis - Oct 1, 2015 at 8:30 AM

    I have just read every post on this board and its all very interesting views by fans. I’m also a Redskins fan for over 40 years supporting this team through the good and bad. It’s been more bad the last 20 years. If you look back we have to much turnover at the QB and HC positions. Compare us to the Raiders in those 20 years and I bet we both have simular changes at those positions, as well record. People want to blame the owner for our poor record , which he should get the blame. However I don’t think Dan is a bad owner its just he doesn’t have the patients it requires sometimes to let things play out. I think hiring Joe Gibbs back and Mike S. were solid hires but we still didn’t get the results we were looking for. If you hire a coach like Gibbs and Mike S. you have to get out the way and let them do their thing. When you hire a coach like Jim Zorn ans Jay G. then you will question them more . I want us to have a QB that can play the next 7-10 years. But most teams don’t have a guy like that. I think RG3 is staying to on the Roster to because we gave up so much to get him that we just don’t want to part with him just yet. I think Jay G. has to show that this team can win with Kirk in his west coast system. If Jay G. does not show this I think he will be bought out and a new coach will be name. I think the new coach will be hired based on his system that can use RG3 . Look college QB’s are running the spread system more and more vs a pro-style offense. It’s very hard to find pro ready college QB’s coming out anymore. I want Kirk to get his chance to see what we have in him this season and so far he is up and down. Those turnovers have to stop or no way he can be a starting QB in the league. Our defense is good but they don’t force enough turnovers as it is. We can’t afford for the offense to keep giving teams good field position. Jay G. is on the hot seat for sure because he is saying I rather have Kirk run my offense then RG3. Scott M. is letting him make this decision and sitting back watching how this all plays out. I say stay tuned.

  18. Bahaa - Oct 3, 2015 at 8:09 AM

    Rich cousins has the worst int ratio in the NFL for any Qb starter or backup. Cousins threw interception on his 4th and 20th passes. So that’s 2 ints in 20 passes…… Making excuses for cousins is getting tired. Most of the 49 passes and garbage yards came after he lost the game….. His 2 ints in his first 20 passes resulted in 14 giant points and also took off at least 3 points off the board. We were down 25-6….. When most of the garbage time passes were made …. Missing wide open reed in the end zone twice cost us at least another 7 points…..that’s a 24 point swing cousins was responsible for enough with the excuses

  19. abanig - Oct 3, 2015 at 11:10 AM

    Who gives the Redskins the best chance to win based off last year and this year:

    Colt McCoy’s record as a Redskins qb:

    2-2

    Cousins: 2-6

    Griffin: 1-6

    If it’s all about who is the best winner at qb on the Redskins last season, and including Cousins’ first 3 games of this season, Colt McCoy should be the Redskins starting quarterback.

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