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Need to Know: ‘This is who Cousins is’

Sep 26, 2015, 5:52 AM EDT

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Here is what you need to know on this Saturday, September 26, eight days before the Redskins host the Eagles.

This is who Kirk Cousins is

After Kirk Cousins’ rocky game against the Giants, Marshall Faulk of NFL Network said the following:

“Who we saw tonight, that’s who Kirk Cousins is. For throwing the ball 49 times, this is a good game for Kirk Cousins. I don’t believe that there is a, ‘Oh he can play better, there is more he can do.’ If his team doesn’t play better, he cannot carry this team. He can be a part of a team.”

This strikes me as being the best concise analysis of who Kirk Cousins is and what he is capable of doing that I have read. He isn’t going to carry your team. If he has to throw 49 times he will get picked off and the Redskins probably won’t win.

But he is not that different from most other quarterbacks in the league in that regard. Since the start of the 2014 season, up to an including Cousins last night, a quarterback has attempted 49 or more passes in a game 34 times. In 16 of those games, just under half, the quarterback was intercepted two or three times. Eleven times the quarterback was picked off once and just seven threw no picks.

The teams’ records in these games is 8-26.

So if most quarterbacks have to put the ball up a lot the will get picked off and they will lose. I’m not sure why we expect that Kirk Cousins will be any different.

This is, of course, a macro view of these games. There is cause and effect in play. The teams aren’t necessarily losing because the quarterbacks are throwing so often; often the quarterbacks are passing a lot because their teams are trailing. And sometimes the quarterbacks bear greater responsibility for the existence of the deficit than others.

Against the Giants, Cousins helped dig the hole that he later had to pass the team’s way out of. His first-quarter interception led to a very short field for Eli Manning and the Redskins were down two scores early.

In case you are wondering (and I know that many of you out there looking for “balance” in the way that quarterbacks are treated in the media), Robert Griffin III has thrown 49 or more passes in a game twice in his career. He was picked off twice in one of those games and once in the other. The Redskins lost both of those games, to the Eagles and Lions in 2013.

This is pretty simple, folks. Although Kirk Cousins might improve with more experience, for right now and for the immediate future he is who he is. Like many other quarterbacks around the league he will have problems if the Redskins don’t force turnovers to get the offense a short field, play poorly on special teams, and have trouble running the ball.

The Redskins are playing Cousins because they believe that he is their best option among the three they have right now. Many have said that Griffin or Colt McCoy would be better options. Perhaps. But if they can’t run the ball better than they did against the Giants and get set up with a short field by either the defense or special teams from time to time it is unlikely that any of them will win consistently.

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  1. colmac69 - Sep 26, 2015 at 6:48 AM

    Like it or not fans will have to accept rgiii won’t take the field this season unless in extreme emergency.with 16 mill on line if he gets Hurt no way skins take that chance.it’s either cousins or McCoy for rest of season

    As article states lots of things need to happen for skins to be effective…I’m a fan of cousins (prob one of the few on here) and believe he can b qb after this yr but I’m not blind to the fact he needs to start proving he can manage a gd game on a consistent basis..if he can’t he gone at end of yr (maybe gruden as well)and skins will start from scratch with new qb (for what it worth I wanted rgiii to succeed like majority of fans but for one reason or another it’s not happened)

    One thing I can’t understand though is how fans (or so called fans)come on here and wish the team gets beat because cousins and gruden are coach and qb.just don’t get it.I bn fan for 32 yrs and seen it all from superbowls to the worst team ever but not once did I hope we lost a game

    We played three games..one we deserved to win…one we could have won and obviously got well beat on Thursday…however in all three we have showing enough (imo)to suggest we should b competitive for full season…however things can change but fingers crossed for better

    As an antidote I remember game vs Chicago in 1989 when mark rypien threw 5 ints at rfk (can u imagine reaction these days if wash qbs did that now)…skins won game 10-9 thanks to late lohmiller fg…rypien wasn’t greatest qb but he played in very gd teams in that period with great players around him…sometimes u need the talent around you to succeed

    • Bahaa - Sep 26, 2015 at 3:59 PM

      You clearly don’t get it. No redskins fan is rooting against the redskins by rooting against Gruden and cousins they are rooting against mediocrity at best….. We believe that with cousins and gruden we are destined for mediocrity….. If they do well they will be 5-11 6-10 or even 8-8 and that will be enough to keep them here and we will be a perennial average team…… FANS who are rooting against Gruden and cousins are hoping for a great future…. Hoping for a coaching staff that can come in and salvage the rare talent we traded 3 first round picks for …., comparing cousins and gruden to Gibbs and Rypien is naive and uninformed …… Gibbs won 3 Super Bowls with 3 different qbs ….. He had a history of winning super bowls without a star QB…. Gruden has never won a playoff game! Gruden has earned nothing. Rg3 went down in week 2 last year…… He’s played 12 games without RG3 and lost 9 of the 12 so he hadn’t earned the right to dismiss the hope Redskins nation had riding on RG 3 he was hired to work with RG3 a player who was rookie of the year and won the east for first time in over a decade…… When Gibbs was hired he came from air coryel system…. He went 0-5 then he modified his system to the talent he had and the rest is history …… 5 games!!! That’s it then he modified . Gruden is stubborn he sent cousins to work with his brother in Florida in the off season and we see him protecting him with the conservative play calls yet cousins is who he is a back up who can come in for a short period he can’t handle the pressure of a starter not a winner 2-9 as a starter in a system that’s custome fit for his strengths …..,

      • colmac69 - Sep 26, 2015 at 4:49 PM

        At what point did I compare gruden and cousins to gibbs/rypien?

        I mentioned Chicago game as an example that sometimes a qb needs help to win games when he doesn’t play very well….those redskin teams won lots of games and big games but it wasn’t perfect all the time

        In previous few days there has been people on this forum who have mentioned they would rather redskins lose games if it means the end of gruden/cousins…

        I get where all rgiii fans are coming from.I want him to be successful as well but rightly or wrongly we have cousins/gruden so we all have to get on with it even though lot of fans don’t like it

        If they make changes in the coming weeks then fine…at end of day it’s all bout winning no matter how it gets achieved

      • bangkokben - Sep 26, 2015 at 8:56 PM

        That is the biggest bunch of horse crap. I understand that this is the sentiment of fans like you and you have every right to FEEL that way but it is filled with blatant hypocrisy. Here are three areas of this hypocritical thinking by the lot that sees it this way.

        1. Gruden was hired to turn the REDSKINS around. Everyone in the local media assumed that would include fixing Griffin’s problems in the pocket. You have taken this local media assumption as Gospel yet when the local media has declared that the ORGANIZATION has given up on Robert, you say they’re making up stuff. Your group refers to quotes that are months old as evidence to the contrary. But let’s suppose that ‘fixing Griffin’ was the primary reason Gruden was hired. If so, then how long before pulling the plug? Indefinite? What other factors could relieve Gruden from THIS CLEAR COMMITMENT to Redskin Nation? Injuries? So in other words, Griffin wasn’t hired to win football games but instead to find a way to win football games with Robert Griffin no matter what. (No wonder he’s getting $5M a year for 5 years.)

        2. Cousins is a commitment to mediocrity. WTF? With Griffin as the primary starter for the last two seasons, the team has won less than a 1/4 of its games. Mediocrity is a 100% increase in wins over the next two years. What a CLEAR FAILURE! So it’s better to be one of the five worst teams in the NFL as long as #10 is quarterback instead of being 8-8?! How does that make sense?

        3. Cousins is who he is. Any RG3 fan saying THAT is living in the land of Double Standard. Griffin is far from a finished product and every fan of his either believes that he can get their with the right coaching or that he can somehow do 2012 all over again – with the right coaching. Yet Cousins has to be a franchise QB right now. Why? Of the five to ten franchise quarterbacks in the NFL, other than Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck, was anyone a clear franchise QB after his 12th start? If Griffin was failing, you’d list the reasons for his struggles – his limited background in the pocket, the conservative offense, not utilizing his talents, the strengths of the opposing defenses, the youth of the O-line, etc. Yet somehow Cousins MUST be a finished product right now despite taking mostly mental reps his entire career and we can all safely assume that he won’t improve after only three games of being declared the starter. Yeah right.

        When Cousins completes 80%+ of passes, as he did last Sunday, where are you and your trumpets? But as soon as he throws interceptions, you’re here to remind the rest of us fans that this has happened more than once. No sh!t. It will likely happen again but every time it does, IT DOESN’T get you any closer to having that winning lottery ticket. It simply is the process of building a team with an inexperienced quarterback.

        • abanig - Sep 26, 2015 at 11:03 PM

          Nah, your twisting some points around here at least if your talking about me.

          1. The double standard of the reaction between when Kirk throws for near 80% on a short controlled passing game and has only 1 or 0 ints and the reaction from the media and most of the fan base when Griffin or McCoy do it.

          Griffin has done this feat several times or better over the last two seasons and won 3 games while doing it but it’s always about what Griffin doesn’t do from the MMQB’s rather than the good things he did inns game. Kirk has accomplished a similar feat 3 times now in 12 games. Week ones loss to the Dolphins was nearly equivalent to week ones loss against the Texans when Griffin started except I’d argue Griffin was more accurate against the Texans. Week two’s win against the Rams was equivalent to Griffin’s win last year against the Eagles. The loss against the Giants was reminiscent of last year’s loss against the Eagles except, Kirk Cousins actually played better against the Eagles last year than he did on Thursday against the Giants. I don’t see Cousins progressing. I just don’t. I hope it comes soon for his sake, but he’s making the same mistakes with his pre-snap decisions which he doesn’t deviate from when the defense chances its coverage, he’s not patient enough in the pocket – often throwing the ball too soon to check downs or even down the field before the routes start to break open and defenders are reading his eyes and the stripes on his helmet as he’s telegraphing his passes.

          The fact remains that Cousins sympathizers get excited when the redskins lose and Kirk doesn’t throw 3 or 4 ints because they see that as progress but if Griffin or McCoy throw one or zero interceptions and the Redksins lose they kill them on the radio and on blogs such as this and want Kirk to start.

          We’ve seen this move the last three years now. Robert’s progress in the pocket isn’t as fast as the impatient coach staff, fanbase and media want it to be so they turn to the most popular player on the team at the time – Kirk Cousins – the back up qb, only to watch him go out and look like he’s running the offense better – because he’s more experienced in it – only to see him constantly throw up on himself with a tsunami of turnovers at the worst times and in the worst situations that leave the team with a ZERO chance of winning.

        • bangkokben - Sep 27, 2015 at 1:34 AM

          When has Robert Griffin completed 80% or greater when attempting 25 passes or more? When was the last time Griffin was only sacked once in 50 drop backs? Cousins was 23 of 27 last Sunday and then followed it with a bad game. A bad game in which he was sacked just once and completed multiple passes on third and long as well as converting a 4th and 14 from deep in his own territory on a PI. There is NO reason to assume that his interception issue would be solved overnight or that as soon as he throws two in a game that he would be benched. Yet you and the Griffin hypocrites whine about how this is somehow unfair to Robert. Robert had multiple bad games before being benched and the coach said Cousins was starting 16 games. Injuries or a CONSISTENTLY bad performance could change those plans. But the only thing consistent about Cousins’ play has been its INCONSISTENCY! Cousins’ main faults entering the season were turnovers and especially how he’d respond after those turnovers. The turnovers are still a problem but so far his response to those turnovers HAS IMPROVED. So take off your Griffin goggles and looked at it objectively. You generally have a fair way at looking at these things.

          Off topic: Darrel Bevel made the worst call in Super Bowl history. This team does not need that kind of “genius.”

        • abanig - Sep 27, 2015 at 1:57 AM

          Roberts stats vs the Texans week 1:

          1 09/07 @ HOU L 6-17 29 attempts, 37 compete, 78.4%, 267 yards, 7.2 avg, 0 tds, 0 ints ; 3 sacks, 26 yards lost, 96.7 rating.

        • bangkokben - Sep 27, 2015 at 9:33 AM

          That’s funny. I think if we were talking about kickers, you might actually know what 80%+ means. I will agree with you that that game more resembled Cousins’ game against Miami as Griffin was credited with the fumble on the botched hand-off but nice try. Anyone watching this year’s Rams game and last year’s Texans game wouldn’t put them in the same class. But let’s keep trumpeting the Cousins is turnover machine mantra and implying that Thursday’s game is the norm because it’s the last shred of hope that we can hold onto for Griffin playing another meaningful game in B&G.

        • abanig - Sep 27, 2015 at 10:24 AM

          Well, 78.4% is only 1.6% off of 80%. It’s pretty damn close to the same. Robert was killed by most after that game because we didn’t put up enough points, people totally ignored that Morris wasn’t given the ball enough, and Niles Paul fumbled at the 10 yard line.

          As for the kickers, so far you look right and I stand corrected but our coverage teams and punt block teams are still a large problem. So, while Hopkins fixed one are, it doesn’t change the fact that for 3 years running the special teams has cost this team several games.

        • bangkokben - Sep 28, 2015 at 9:09 AM

          Agreed on the coverage units but at least their use is now minimized. Bonus that Hopkins can give good onside kicks. So far he has been exactly what I wanted in a kicker – although just two games. Let’s see if he can do it throughout the season.

          As for fans killing Griffin, that indeed happened but it doesn’t help the team to have the same dysfunction from the organization with Cousins. I get the frustration but there has been a ton of other things that has happened since Houston as opposed to one week after coming off an 85% completion outing – and this outing isn’t one where the QB only throws 16 passes.

          Lastly, the game plan (macro) is the same with both QBs. Run, run, run and short quick passes. There is no reason to suspect, however, that Griffin would be able to run this offense as efficiently as Cousins – especially on 3rd down and the red zone. These are areas that Griffin has struggled in.

        • colmac69 - Sep 27, 2015 at 3:36 AM

          I will assume your post above was aimed at someone else because if you were replying to me then you obviously don’t read all the messages inc ones that I post because if you did you would see I’m one of the few people on here who is a fan of cousins and want him to succeed

          However it doesn’t change the fact I want rgiii to have success as well…for any number of reasons it hasn’t worked out for Robert right now and it might never will but as long as he redskin player I will give him support as well

          So you are way off Base if you think I’m I poster that comes on here and belittles cousins/gruden and think only answer is rgiii

        • bangkokben - Sep 27, 2015 at 9:23 AM

          My response is to the guy you responded to. Unless your looking on a mobile, it’s pretty clear.

        • colmac69 - Sep 27, 2015 at 9:51 AM

          My apologies ben

          I’m on a mobile so that would explain why messages appear to b in wrong place

          I just want redskins to win period.if it’s with cousins great if it’s rgiii or McCoy great

          My only beef is that some on here appear to enjoy the fact when cousins or rgiii have bad games so they can come on and hammer either one.

          It’s entirely possible none will b on roster nxt season but obviously gruden hopes cousins can be the guy.

          What got lost in giants game was inj to hall and specifically luvao who has arguably been our best lineman so far and could be missing significant playing time.do we believe lerebious is an able replacement?

        • abanig - Sep 27, 2015 at 10:18 AM

          Yes, people do hammer one or the other and that’s because some feel one guy gives them the best chance to win while others feel the other guy gives the team the best chance to win.

          I personally have a problem when coaches and most in the media say Kirk Cousins gives the team the best chance to win but then we go out and proceed to look like dog poop in the passing game or very average the same way we would have looked if Griffin was in there.

          So to me, if you want to have a future with you’re 2nd overall pick who won a division and was up 14-0 on the Seahawks before restraining his knee, you need to continue to see him play this season to see if he develops and if the progress everyone talked about this offseason can come to fruition.

          I personally think Dan Snyder is beyond frustrated with coaches and Bruce Allen who come in here and do what Dan usually does, they don’t have any patience for his development and for once, DAN does!

          If Kirk & Jay don’t get this team to around .500 this year, I’m almost 100% Allen, Jay & Kirk are all gone.

          With Robert, that remains to be seen.

        • bangkokben - Sep 28, 2015 at 7:46 AM

          I agree about your assessment of our fans and what should be important to us – wins. I also mentioned the injuries prior to Thursday’s game as a potential cause for derailment of what was seen as improvement. I think LeRibs was simply the guy who could play both interior positions if needed for a game while Kuanjo or Long will get the start.

        • abanig - Sep 28, 2015 at 8:00 AM

          I’m still in the camp of if you want to win in the NFL you can’t have a qb who has multiple turnovers a game. It doesn’t matter if you look better running the offense or not, Rex Grossman looked better running the offense than McNabb but McNabb won more games in 2010 with a less talented roster than Grossman won in 2011 with the best defense this team had had since Blache was here.

          This whole thing is McNabb vs Grossman 2.0 and back in 2010-11 I wanted to keep McNabb and I want Griffin to play now.

          I can see the reasoning to play Kirk but at the same time how do you not play Griffin when if he plays multiple games in a season – like 4-5 in a row – he’ll throw for around 250 yards a game and have less turnovers than Kirk which allows the team to win more.

          The truth is with either of our young starting, the team is gong to be in the 4 to 7 win range. I just see the ceiling higher for Griffin than I do for Kirk. Kirk’s ceiling is maybe Jay Cutler but most likely Rex Grossman, Griffin’s ceiling is Donovan McNabb in his Prime of Randall Cunningham in his prime.

          I think McCloughan believes this also and that’s why Griffin is still on the roster.

        • bangkokben - Sep 28, 2015 at 9:17 AM

          I agree with you on Griffin’s ceiling. But it’s not what you and I think. Maybe that is indeed why Griffin is still on this team but I tend to think it’s the owner’s decision more than the GM’s. In any case it doesn’t matter. The coach doesn’t want to lose games and thinks Kirk is the best chance to win games now.

        • abanig - Sep 28, 2015 at 9:49 AM

          I think if you’re not playing the qb who is raw in the pocket, but has the highest ceiling that in the long term you’re doing the franchise a disservice.

          not thinking long term has plagued this franchise for two decades and not starting Griffin and getting him game reps to him develop is not good for the long term of this franchise.

          In 2013, Griffin ran less zone read and was in the pocket more and was a 60% passer, who was on pace for 3,900 yards 20 TDs and 15 ints if he had started all 16 games and wasn’t benched, or around there.

          He was making progress then, Gruden came in and totally scrapped the zone read from the offense. That was odd to me because from 2011 – 2013, Gruden ran zone read with Dalton a few times a game, and it was successful. He especially used it in the redzone the way Kyle did in Griffin’s 2012/rookie season when Griffin had 5 TDs rushing.

        • bangkokben - Sep 28, 2015 at 10:04 AM

          It may be a disservice but it’s not like Gruden hasn’t worked with Griffin. I think it’s clear that he has come to his conclusion on Robert. That may be too soon for us but it isn’t even close compared to Shanahan’s decision to stop working with McNabb. McNabb would’ve thrown for more than 4000 yards had he played the whole season. It isn’t about stats though, it more than that. If the coach doesn’t trust the QB, he isn’t going to play him or if he does it isn’t going to look good.

  2. therealistcat - Sep 26, 2015 at 7:01 AM

    Umm except for the fact that these interception took place at a time when the game was still relevant. As far as the 1989 game, key words———SKINS WON THE GAME!

  3. Murray - Sep 26, 2015 at 7:17 AM

    I just think he has to be given more time to blossom…I remember when Bret Farve first came in the the league he was an interception machine…as was Andrew Luck….he still needs to to devolop…RGIII got three years worth of chances

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2015 at 9:36 AM

      RG3 didn’t get 3 years worth of chances if he wasn’t on the field starting every game which he was not. If you want 3 years of this then everyone should have the stuff you’re smoking. Farve moved the offense despite interceptions. Cousins is not the same in that category. He has not only produced interceptions but has cost touchdowns by missing open receivers.

      • ET - Sep 26, 2015 at 9:56 AM

        Yaen.

        • ET - Sep 26, 2015 at 11:47 AM

          Misfire … Not sure what happened there :)

    • therealistcat - Sep 26, 2015 at 10:36 AM

      This is a huge misconception; that RG III got three years. He most definitely did not! Injuries, public scrutiny from within the org, and coaches snatching him out of games prematurely (especially when game reps were there for him and the season was over), disallowed him to properly develop. Let’s be fair here, you guys who don’t like the phenomenal talent known as RG III are not being objective in your view about Cousins.I watched RG III in Camp this year and you could clearly see his progression; even earning praise (how soon we forget) from Jay Gruden, Scot McCloughan, and teammates throughout OTA and training camp. He was clearly the most talented QB on the field when I attended camp. At the end of the day, most realistic fans who understand football know that all this kid needs is a scheme that works for him and a coach who believes in him and he will get back to 2012 form. Can’t wait to see it happen. Heck I might keep a running log of all the hater known to me so that I can kindly remind you all of what I have been saying for some time now——–He’ll be back with avengeance!

      • cowboyhater - Sep 26, 2015 at 12:50 PM

        …ok I have to interject here. I also went out to see RG3 at camp, and he still looked hesitant with his throws,and gave up on plays and took off prematurely. I have no allegiance to either QB, but for you to say that he looked to have improved is a bit silly. You have your RG3 glasses on, and you are not objective at all. Bottom line…..I have said this over and over, our QB may not even be on this roster. He is either playing on Saturday’s or on someone else’s NFL roster. I love RG3 as a person, but I just don’t see him playing consistently at high level. He will give you amazing games, and he will looked confused in other’s. This team needs a QB that can be consistent week in and week out. That guy is not on our roster. We have three “very nice guys” on our roster at QB, but we don’t have a true starting NFL QB. Sorry to say that to you “therealisticat”, but I am also a realist when it comes to this team, and will stand by my statements.

        • abanig - Sep 26, 2015 at 1:08 PM

          So basically, you’re calling all the best reporters and the likes of Chris Cooley liars?

          They all said he looked better this offseason but still not perfect, but better than last offseason for sure. No qb is perfect – not even in practice – and Roberts gets wrongly held up to a standard that top 10 qbs get held up to just because he had a good rookie season in a different season that relied a lot on the same concepts that made him the heisman trophy winner at Baylor. That is clearly NOT his fault!

          If Griffin is held up to a realistic standard that he’s a qb who’s in his second season in the west coast system after never being a drop back qb in a decade of playing football then people may not be ready to dump him so fast.

          It’s the unrealistic expectations and impatience of fans that make people not believe in Griffin anymore and really nothing else.

      • jake6879 - Sep 26, 2015 at 1:07 PM

        RG3 started 35 games.. and his being out due to injury counts against him as well.. He’s useless as a QB. Cousins is a young guy that has improved every year. He’s the least of this teams issues. Statistically he’s playing better than many quarterbacks in the league. I’m more worried about holes in the secondary and improving at other positions.

        • abanig - Sep 26, 2015 at 4:09 PM

          Kirk Cousins isn’t young, he’s 2 years older than Griffin.

        • abanig - Sep 26, 2015 at 4:16 PM

          Kirk has 3 TDs and 4 ints, who is that statistically better than? He’s ranked 30th in ints in the NFL, tied with Sam Bradford and his rating is 23rd in the NFL.

          150 of his yards or so from last game were in garbage time when the team was down by 3 scores with 10 minutes left in the game.

        • Nate - Sep 26, 2015 at 5:59 PM

          Kirk 27 and any michigan state fan will tell you kirk still the same qb from michigan state

      • sidepull - Sep 26, 2015 at 1:53 PM

        I dont give a rats whose QB. I care about wins. I want a QB who is going to win games. Now Cousins is in there and we have all the QB controversy, RG3 Lovers, Rg3 Haters, Cousin lovers and Cousin haters, every once in a while a few McCoy sympathizers. Now Cousins threw picks, Rg3 looked good in camp. Now Cousins is compared to Jamarcus Russel. It just doesn’t stop. The only thing I know is there are only 3 QB’s on the roster. None of them are on a winning streak. You can compare Cousins to Robert until the cows come home as far as interceptions go but try comparing this for once….who gets injured? Who cannot put together a full season at QB? I mean you can talk about interceptions but as good as Robert was why does everybody gloss over the fact that he always winds up getting hurt? He has fantastic skills. Too bad, he cant put together a full season. Thats that. Theres your stat. Theres your reality. One great QB cant find the time to “develop” because he always getting hurt, the other has skills but cant stop throwing untimely interceptions and the other is a journeyman who is not the answer either. Keep arguing about the QB until your head blows up but if you cant stay on the field how on earth can you be franchise qb? Heck you cant even throw an interception from the bench.

        • abanig - Sep 26, 2015 at 2:12 PM

          During the 2013 season Rg didn’t get hurt. He played with a reconstructed knee and more from the pocket than he had in 2012 and he was on pace to throw for 3,950 yards with 20 TDs and 16 ints.

          That was something he could of built off of. The issue was his new HC ran ZERO zone read – Robert wasnt and isnt ready for that. His ankle injury was a total fluke injury, unlike the knee injury in 2012. If Robert plays I bet you see completion and yardage totals similar to Cousins with a handful more sacks but only 1 or 2 ints to go with 2 or 3 TDs and maybe he’d have a rushing TD also.

        • Bahaa - Sep 26, 2015 at 4:10 PM

          He didn’t get hurt in 2013…. He was available every game….. He was benched in the last 3 games by shanahan. We went 0-3 in those games by the way ….. In fact cousins got hurt in the preseason in 2013….. In 3 years RG3 missed 1 game in 2012 due to injury…. None in 2013 and missed 5 games in 2014 that’s 6 games in 3 years

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2015 at 4:36 PM

          might be the most misinformed post I’ve seen you make sidepull. That’s unlike past comments I’ve read form ya!

        • sidepull - Sep 27, 2015 at 9:41 AM

          Yea I was shooting from the hip. Frustration. Just looking at the big picture, ACL College, 2012 mild concussion Atlanta from which he came back from and ripped off that run against the Vikes, then that awful hit by Ngata in that Ravens game where is leg looked like a whip and he was hopping on one leg = grade 1 LCL sprain misses Cleveland, and then that daggone NFC wild card game that pretty much everybody got to be their own judge but the result LCL, ACL tears. Looked at 2013, sure he didnt “miss” but yet he never was on the field for any preseason games, all in for week one was in production and it just seemed like he was never the same after being injured. He just didn’t have any preseason snaps, recovering from an injury and to me, as a fan, it showed. Maybe some felt comfortable with the look Rg3 was presenting, coaching , line, etc, but to me he clearly looked affected brace and all. 2014 Dislocates his ankle but otherwise looks good towards the end of the season despite missing time, qb carousel etc. 2015 Concussion and was again getting rocked by Detroit where anybody seeing that game was cringing and hoping he wasn’t going to get busted up again. I am just a fan, and sometimes in these years I watch Rg3 and I just do that, I watch him get hit and I wonder is he going to get hurt, is he going to get up from that? Its just frustration and I was overboard yet I still say injury concern does play a role in this kids performance and availability. I have always wanted to see the team and Rg3 work it out because it would be best for all if that happened. I just don’t think its possible anymore. The powers that be seem to move further and further from that ever materializing. I mean they have him at 3rd string, not suited up, in what I believe is their concern for him sustaining an injury and not wanting to have to pay him the money. Injury and availability concerns now for an injury that “might happen” but hasn’t. Thats where its at for me. And all the QB bashing, controversy, doesn’t change anything. I am fan first, team over player, and who they stick out there I am getting behind, I mean really what am I going to do root for a QB to lose? Never gonna happen.

  4. colorofmyskinz - Sep 26, 2015 at 7:36 AM

    Thank you Rich for bringing much needed perspective!!!!

    RGIII fans are going crazy right now thinking he is the messiah and can split the red sea for us. They forget his tendency to hesitate, be indecisive, and take sacks that normal QBs woukd not. Had RGIII been in this game, we would have not only seen 2 INTs for the same pass ratio, we would have also seen at least 3 sacks.

    Special teams is clearly our problem. Why the hell is Kotwica still here? Why the hell do we use a punt formation no other team in the NFL uses? Are we trying to be cute? Seeing that punt almost blocked, then the re-punt blocked, reminded me of the Broncos start to the Super Bowl they got blown out in.

    Gruden abandoned the run when we were 9-0. Gruden took to the air in the first quarter like arena football, and should have been patient to get the run established. Poor play calling There.

    Defense did the best they could being on the field as long as they were. If we want to throw it on their backs, expect them to be on the field 40 minutes of each game, we will lose every game.

    Penalties? What more can I say. Figure out how to punt and run special teams, less penalties, and be patient to establish the run, and this would have been a completely different outcome.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2015 at 9:38 AM

      “Special teams is clearly our problem. ”

      Special teams got us as many touchdowns as Cousins.

      • colorofmyskinz - Sep 26, 2015 at 10:18 AM

        No. The Giants fid not care at that point if we took one 100 yards. Ross created that one. And the Giants allowed it.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2015 at 10:48 AM

          Do you make this stuff up as you go along? At least I got a laugh out of that comment. I appreciate that!

          Oh look at Tom Coughlin’s expression after that return for a touchdown! No, it don’t look anything like a “let’s just give the guy this one, fellas” look.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2015 at 11:26 AM

          This is no gimme touchdown!!!

    • renhoekk2 - Sep 26, 2015 at 9:54 AM

      Defense didn’t produce a 3 and out until half way through the fourth quarter. So if they were on the field for 40 minutes it was because they weren’t doing anything to get off of it. Add in the fact they didn’t bother to force a turnover, again, and a lot can be put on the defense. Letting a team drive down the field 50yds 3 times and then holding them to a field goal isn’t a “win” because they didn’t get a TD, The defensive performance isn’t being talked about because the only thing anyone wants to talk about is Cousins throwing two ints. They played two teams in the first two games that had avg QB’s at best and no real weapons to worry about. They go against Eli and Beckham and can’t slow the Giants down.

      • ET - Sep 26, 2015 at 10:17 AM

        The defense could’ve done better, sure, especially in the takeaway department. The Giants now have five takeaways and only one giveaway (a fumble) through three games (+4). Three of those takeaways happened Thursday, of course.

        The Skins have six giveaways (four INTs, two fumbles) and only one takeaway (the Preston Smith strip-sack) for a very sad -5. We’re 31st in this category, just ahead of the Colts.

        While the defense has generally done a good job IMO, our takeaways and giveaways must improve in order to win consistently.

        • abanig - Sep 26, 2015 at 11:52 AM

          Reminiscent of 2011. The defense is improved, but doesn’t force a lot of turnovers. The offense has a turnover machine at qb that can’t get out of his own way. If Kirk starts all 16 games he may have as many or more turnovers than Rex in 2011. It’s so sad because he’s talented but like Rex, he just can’t quit from making a few bad reads a game and having turnovers at the worst times in games which has led to 9 losses in his 12 starts as a pro.

        • renhoekk2 - Sep 26, 2015 at 1:51 PM

          Defense is improved but the bar was as low as it could get. Not forcing a three and out until the game is almost over has me concerned about what they really are. Add in all of the injuries and their performance will certainly drop off. The offense is not built to have to come from behind or put a lot of points on the board.

    • therealistcat - Sep 26, 2015 at 10:41 AM

      First of all, most RG III fans (at this point) desire to see RG III move on from this disastrous team and get with a team that knows what to do with his talent. No one that I know saw him as a savior; rather we saw him as a once in a lifetime talent, with arm strength, athletic ability, and accuracy; no savior just a great kid to watch play football! And even you amnesia fans saw that in 2012. He is the same kid from then that God gifted today, nothing has changed except the people around him. Remember this—–he’ll be back!

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2015 at 10:51 AM

        Hear, hear!

      • Eric - Sep 26, 2015 at 12:03 PM

        As stated from another person on here most people who are fans of Robert don’t want to see him take another snap for the Skins instead take his talent to another team the thing is everyone that don’t see that he is the most talented qb on the roster maybe not the most polished but I think when he does leave he will shine somewhere else. Another thing the Robert fans don’t want OUR team to fail but we do have a right to OUR OPINION.

        • hk2000 - Sep 26, 2015 at 1:46 PM

          OUR team already failed- Gruden is still coaching. Any team that lets politic decide who the QB shall be is a failure, so there, until Gruden is gone, the Redskins are the epitome of failure.

    • Bahaa - Sep 26, 2015 at 4:16 PM

      Special teams gave up 2 points with 58 minutes left in the game. Cousins ints gave them 14 points and took at least 3 points off the board for us….. Rg3 is not the messiah but we invested all lot in him and we seen his talent when a system is put I place for him….. This system is custom fit for cousins and he’s 2-9 in it and leads all NFL qbs in ints including backups

  5. waqgman1 - Sep 26, 2015 at 7:59 AM

    Wow, Rich! Eight more days to hate on Kirk Cousins! You gotta be lovin’ this! Hope you’ll be happy when you’re “boy” gets back in there. Then you’ll have a real problem. Who you gonna hate on then? By the way, ever heard of spellcheck?

    • Rich Tandler - Sep 26, 2015 at 8:22 AM

      Actually, I like Cousins. Will be interested to see how things turn out with him.

      On my twitter feed I’m being accused of being a Cousins homer/RG3 hater. So I guess I’m doing my job of just writing about the good and the bad.

    • hk2000 - Sep 26, 2015 at 1:51 PM

      In fact of all DC sports personalities, he’s the most balanced! I don’t with a lot of what he says, but I still come here because he never takes the grandiose positions that others do- go listen to Chris Cooley or Chris Russel, after the first sentence, you wanna puke- they always speak in a matter-of-fact way as if their opinions are gospel.

  6. abanig - Sep 26, 2015 at 8:12 AM

    We knew this, or we should of as Redskins fans going into this season. Kirk is Rex Grossman 2.0. I’ve maintained my stance that he deserved a shot to show what he had once again – one last time – as much as Robert Griffin III did and does. I’ve also maintained my stance that in the long run I still feel RG3 is the better option as quarterback for the Redskins franchise.

    Griffin currently has his flaws, but they are not the same as Kirk’s. Griffin’s flaws come out of inexperience in a west coast drop back system, not a propensity of throwing to receivers who aren’t open which usually results in interceptions.

    Kirk Cousins and RG3 both has 23 interceptions in their career, only Kirk Cousins has done it on 600 less pass attempts. That’s unacceptable. His interception rate is worse than Jamarcus Russell’s for the Raiders from last decade. This CAN’T continue!

    @avbanig: @Abstract_cool @ObiWanSan @Domo_LXXXVI @OBtoojiveforyou @MrDCsportsSr Cousins= 23 ints in 514 attempts. Jamarcus Russell=23 ints in 680 attempts. RG3 = 23 ints in 1,063 attempts.

    Those two stats speak volumes!

    • colorofmyskinz - Sep 26, 2015 at 9:02 AM

      RGIII had 3-4 months of first team reps and looked horrible in preseason. Cousins has only had 3-4 weeks of first team reps. He just needs to get the timing of his recievers down and all of those throws that leave the pocket DECICIVELY would be strikes. RGIII requires years of development and his teammates are done waiting for him. The teammates gave up before the coaches. Once that happens, you are done.

      • abanig - Sep 26, 2015 at 9:40 AM

        Griffin didn’t look “horrible” against the Browns, he had Garcon drop a second deep ball to him that could have been a TD within the last 5 games the two played together – the first being last year against Minnesota. He got beaten to a pulp against the Lions and had Andre Roberts – shockingly to NO ONE!- drop a possible chain moving catch.

        It’s true that Robert is very inexperienced in the west coast offense, more inexperienced than any qb in the entire NFL not named Manziel or some or the rookies who came from spread offenses but to constantly claim that one quarter of preseason football and an up and down performance from his first year in a total west coast system – when he dislocated and ankle and missed two months of football – is indicative of how he will be as a quarterback in the future is preposterous!

        Robert is getting a raw deal hear and it’s been that way since draft day when the Shanahan’s drafted his completion two picks after trading up to get him.

        • abanig - Sep 26, 2015 at 9:43 AM

          *competition*

        • ET - Sep 26, 2015 at 10:34 AM

          Robert has had multiple chances from two coaches. He’s a great athlete, but he hasn’t managed to conquer the fundamentals of his position—footwork, quick progressions, pocket presence. His lack of development in key areas is somewhat shocking (to me, at least), as Robert clearly has both the smarts and physical skills to do so.

        • abanig - Sep 26, 2015 at 11:28 AM

          Multiple reasons for Robert’s slow development and we know them well. This is literally the second year in his decade + of being a qb in a drop back pro style west coast pocket qb. That takes time for qbs to learn, even qbs that come in as pocket passers but not west coast qbs from college.

          Shannahan has said for 3 years that Robert thinks he’s ready to be primarily a pocket passer, but he’s not ready. That’s one place where I actually agree with Mike.

          This fan base just isn’t patient enough to let him develop, and it’s sad. You’d think Redskins nation would learn over the last 20 years when they forced Shuler out a few years too soon, Ramsey out a year too soon, Campbell out a year too soon and nose Robert seems to be looking at the same fate.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2015 at 11:30 AM

          Take RG3 out of the west coast offense and every issue you claim doesn’t exist except read progression. His footwork and pocket presence is a different story when using an offense he is comfortable with. The west coast is just possible the worst offense to put in for him. This is why Gruden is a sub-par coach IMO. He put an offense RG3 was destined to struggle in.

        • ET - Sep 26, 2015 at 12:02 PM

          “The west coast is just possible the worst offense to put in for him.”

          We agree on that. Gruden’s base philosphy does not match up well with Griffin’s strengths.

          But even in a more favorable scheme, I’m not convinced Robert is ready to run the show again right now. To me, his ideal situation would be as a second-stringer for a year or slightly more, learning a new system, working on reads and regaining his confidence.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2015 at 3:44 PM

          We are like mines there ET. I have no issue seeing RG3 riding the bench even for a few years. Based on current schemes I think Atlanta/St. Louis offers the best spot but you could include Philadelphia, New England, Pittsburgh, and even Jacksonville. As a head coach, you should change your offense to offer what you QB does best. The Redskins don’t have that coach. I have no appreciation to offer towards Gruden. He seems like a weak minded coach and questionable person. His statement about Cousins and how other players needing to perform better around him demonstrates his lack of credibility IMO. His QB is failing under his system plain and simple. Maybe Cousins will turn it around and maybe Gruden will prove doubters like me wrong. However my money is on neither succeeding here.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2015 at 9:49 AM

      I think Rex has looked better than the Cousins of 2015.

      • abanig - Sep 26, 2015 at 9:53 AM

        @avbanig: @Abstract_cool @ObiWanSan @Domo_LXXXVI @OBtoojiveforyou @MrDCsportsSr Kirk Cousins = 23 interceptions on 514 attempts.

        Jamarcus Russell = 23 interceptions on 680 attempts.

        RG3 = 23 interceptions on 1,063 attempts.

        Colt McCoy = 23 interceptions on 831 attempts

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2015 at 10:28 AM

          Yeah I read that and there is another article that shows Cousins is the worst all time interception ratio as a career. Worst than Ryan Leaf. Hey but the players around him need to be playing better. It’s not Cousins fault??? What twisted logic

        • 3rdstringsuperstar - Sep 26, 2015 at 10:44 AM

          Peyton Manning 28 interceptions on 575 attempts.

          Or

          23 interceptions in <449 attempts.

          You see, comparing stats can work both ways:)

        • abanig - Sep 26, 2015 at 4:05 PM

          Yes! We have Peyton Manning in Kirk Cousins! Awesome!! Lol

          We have a first string turnover machine while both of his back ups take better care of the football and give the team a better chance to win because of it.

          We’re 31st in turnover ratio in the league. It’s 2011 all over again.

        • 3rdstringsuperstar - Sep 26, 2015 at 10:50 AM

          You forgot Peyton Manning.
          23 interceptions in < 449 attempts.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2015 at 3:50 PM

          It seems using the stats on Payton Manning is quite silly when considering how his career has turned out. Now if you want to discuss how Cousins has similar abilities to Manning then I’d LOVE to read that argument. The fact is Cousins is producing those interception output numbers while missing open receivers all over the field and he only able manufacture few points. Can we get more than one touchdown pass out of Cousins in a single game this year??? That wasn’t the same for Manning. Cousins has been a horrendous QB this season at a point when he was supposed to be getting better.

    • mr.moneylover - Sep 26, 2015 at 11:19 AM

      It doesnt surprise me kirk cousins numbers are close to jamarcus russell kirk cousins should be thankful he still in the league because those numbers are horrible…rg3 got a raw deal out of the hire of jay gruden bruce allen clearly wasnt thinking when he hired jay gruden it was more so of hes my friend we use to work together back in the day in tampa instead of saying let me think about the franchise and see if this a good fit for rg3 and this offense all jay gruden feed to bruce allen is that he can fix rg3 problem but a couple weeks after jay gruden was hired there was a report that came out that jay gruden wasnt happy to work with rg3 and that he wanted the job only to work with kirk cousins because of kirk cousins potential he showed

  7. troylok - Sep 26, 2015 at 8:20 AM

    Good assessment. Although Cousins owns those interceptions, he needs a little more help from his receivers. Cousins’ accuracy is not that great and the receivers are going to have to come back to some balls. I think the pick by Nakamura was avoidable if the receiver had come back to the ball. I’d also say that Gruden didn’t game plan enough to stretch the field. Heck, you have got to put a few “go” routes in every game to keep the defense spread out. I know Desean is out but there are other guys that can stretch the field.

    • abanig - Sep 26, 2015 at 9:46 AM

      Kirk’s receivers make spectacular receptions when he throws ball behind them over the middle and on the sidelines all game long.

      Kirk needs to step up and get it together. His performances in the preseason and the first three games of this season equate to Colt McCoy’s first half performance against the Cowboys last year when Colt underthrew and threw behind Djax and other receivers, Colt fixed the problem though by the second half and the Redskins won!

      Kirk hasn’t fixed this problem in 4 years.

      • goback2rfk - Sep 26, 2015 at 10:44 AM

        To me Kirk Cousins is very similar to Sexy Rex Grossman. Kirk can make some great throws and then follow it up with a INT that losses you the game. I am done watching these disgusting INT’s every game.
        He would have had at least 1 INT every game so far except for the Rams defender dropped an easy pick from Kirk Cousins that hit him right in the hands. I cant take anymore INT’s. I rather put a real game manager in there in Colt McCoy.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2015 at 9:55 AM

      Wow, Cousins needs help from his receivers!!! I guess beating your guy by two yards with a defender to Cousins back as you approach the goal line isn’t help enough since the pass was severely under thrown. Oh and the similar poorly thrown pass later on the other side of the field. One thing Cousins has been consistent on is missing his targets all over the field. I guess the numerous catches off the back shoulder wasn’t help enough. Should the receivers also throw the ball for Cousins? Yeah, maybe let’s have Reed in a wild cat offense throwing to Grant. That may actually produce as many successful touchdown catches that we’ve seen Cousins provide thus for.

  8. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Sep 26, 2015 at 8:28 AM

    Rich Tandler Verified account@Rich_TandlerCSN

    Gruden said Roberts has 2-3 drops which are “uncharacteristic of Andre”. No they’re not, coach. He had one of the worst drop rates in ‘14
    ============

    Rich is right. That hasn’t been a good signing, and Roberts is who he is. I’d rather see the younger guys start getting his reps.
    ~

    • colorofmyskinz - Sep 26, 2015 at 8:58 AM

      I would cut roberts today if my team and put crowder in his place. He made plays for us when they were needed. Bench or cut roberts please!!

  9. nealc53 - Sep 26, 2015 at 8:50 AM

    Thanks Rich for perspective on Cousins- as I’m not a Football expert(just a Redskin fan) but I’ve been saying atthis point the REDSKINS are a 8 & 8 team and Cousins needs a year of being the starter to get comfy and better- to a 12 & 4 team

  10. veejh - Sep 26, 2015 at 8:54 AM

    I hate to say it, but you might as well let Cousins play out the entire season. Gotta see if he can actually put it together. It’s not like this team is ready to compete this year.

    The ship has sailed on RG3.

  11. sidney - Sep 26, 2015 at 8:56 AM

    Cousins needs to hit the weight room my daughter arm is stronger than that

  12. gonavybeatarmy - Sep 26, 2015 at 9:09 AM

    Cousins attempted 49 passes because the Skins were down 25-6 before most fans had digested their dinner. He missed an open Garçon and Reed in the end zone as he didn’t put sufficient lift on the ball, and the interceptions were hideous, either creating points for the NYG or taking away opportunities for the Skins to score points.

    The big picture is that the Skins were highly unlikely going to get a win on the road vs NYG four days after playing a game, when a desperate Giants team could have easily been 2-0 after the first two weeks. Cousins is smart enough to fix these mistakes, but the narrative on him (fair or not) is that he’s mentally weak after moments when he doesn’t perform well. The best young QB in the league, Andrew Luck, has been awful the first two games, but he will surely and quickly correct his mistakes. Cousins needs to do the same next Sunday with ten days to prepare at home against a team that’s seemingly imploding. Otherwise, all bets are off.

  13. skinsman - Sep 26, 2015 at 9:27 AM

    RG3 sucks and cannot play in the NFL, period. He cannot read a defense, pick up blitzes or call protections. He is arrogant and is not coachable. Jay Gruden is coaching for his life and he deserves to go out with the QB of his choice. The media around DC is pathetic in how love to tear this team apart. We finally have a GM who WILL build this team from the bottom up. Just look at the team play on the field. They may get to 6-8 wins this year and that his a huge improvement. Look at the players demeanor, they like playing with each other and they still fight until the last second. Were headed in a new direction. Colt has proven hes a career backup, RG3 is NOT an NFL QB and Cousins is no worse than an average NFL QB. The depth, injury issues and QB issues will take at least 2 more drafts. Lets focus on defeating the Eagles and grow week by week. Any of the pundits out there who are calling for RG3 know NOTHING about football. HTTR

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2015 at 4:20 PM

      “RG3 sucks and cannot play in the NFL, period. He cannot read a defense, ”

      He’s not even playing and you are talking garbage about him because you are a garbage Redskin fan. RG3 produced a 2012 season you’ll never see Cousins produce.

      “Any of the pundits out there who are calling for RG3 know NOTHING about football. HTTR”

      They know far more than you but I’m not calling for RG3 to return. I want him as far away from Gruden and his crap west coast offense as possible. He deserves better and as a fan of the game I know that kid will do well under the right system. You are probably one of the many fans that just watch the Redskins play and have no college football knowledge or how other systems that exist in the NFL work for QBs like RG3.

  14. Johnny B. - Sep 26, 2015 at 9:39 AM

    Cousins can be a good NFL qb given time and reps. Good and stable coaching is a must for this to happen. Cousins failure on Thursday was all on Gruden. Bad coaching decisions like getting away from learning game management by putting the game in his hands like he did last year. Did he think that the outcome would be different with only one day of practice on a Thursday night prime time game . Too much pressure on Cousins. The team is in rebuild mode so I am ok with losing if we play well but we didn’t. GRUDEN NEEDS TO START LEARNING FROM HIS MISTAKES OR GET OUT.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2015 at 10:24 AM

      Of >= 49 pass attempts, Cousins only produced a single touchdown catch in those attempts and it came late in the game. Combine that with his 2 INTs and 69.8 rating and this puts him in small company for that group as among the overall worst. This game was more or less an extension of his last two games. There hasn’t been any noticeable progress with him behind center. It’s one thing to see Cousins continue to produce more and more interceptions. However, it’s compounded by his continued off-target throws. Cousins missed more touchdown pass opportunities than he made Thursday. He made a similar poor pass against the Rams costing Ryan Grant a deep touchdown pass. The end result was a field goal. So Cousins cost us 4 points in that one play.

      This is the biggest issue with Cousins. He is not only giving points to the opponent with his interceptions but he is costing the offense points because of his shiny new weak arm.

      So this is not about players around him performing better so that the team can win games. Translation – what many are really suggesting is that the players around him will have to carry him in order to win games.

      Enough with blaming the special teams Thursday. Again! Any person paying attention in preseason and seeing the players lost to injury who were key on coverage should have known the special teams was going to be a liability. At least they made up for it some with the Reed touchdown return. Cousins inability to move the offense by throwing the ball is anemic and he tops it off with his vintage INTs that so many fans thought preseason proved he corrected.

      • ET - Sep 26, 2015 at 12:15 PM

        “He is not only giving points to the opponent with his interceptions but he is costing the offense points because of his shiny new weak arm.”

        Ha. Say what you will about Cousins, but a weak arm is clearly not one of his issues. Ask DeSean if Cousins has a weak arm. His accuracy is sometimes right on / sometimes off, but he and Robert are alike in that regard.

        The degree of accuracy an elite NFL QB needs is mind-boggling, and only a select few of them are at the level where accuracy is rarely an issue. Kirk, Robert, Colt—none of them are close to that level, let alone for a sustained period of time.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2015 at 3:54 PM

          Cousins doesn’t have a strong arm and never has. I’d be glad to ask DeSean has he play with QBs with stronger arms. Cousins at best is an average arm but this year so far he has a particularly weak arm. That’s why I stated it as a “shiny new weak arm”. Cousins doesn’t even have an average arm when it comes with accuracy so I’m not sure why you’d include elite. RG3 in the right system has an accuracy level that is elite. That’s not even a question, it’s a fact he showed in 2012.

    • goback2rfk - Sep 26, 2015 at 10:37 AM

      There is no doubt in my mind Kirk Cousins is the worst starting QB in the league. This should be his final year as a Redskins. Rob will be running the show next year with the new head coach. Sources have been saying Rob has been staying late after practice working on fundamentals like footwork and timing. Maybe we see a vintage RG3 next year.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2015 at 10:43 AM

        That’s what I hope to read about RG3. Continue to work hard since never know if you are called upon. The time away from all the attention could do him much good. Even if he doesn’t make it on this team, I hope he shows his true abilities elsewhere.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2015 at 10:41 AM

      “Cousins failure on Thursday was all on Gruden.” -Good Grief! Yes Gruden has his issue but he has plays where Receivers were open for touchdowns and Cousins just simply missed his target on NUMEROUS occasions. How you call that all on Gruden is impossible to fairly justify. Cousins isn’t an accurate QB and never has shown to be one. When defenses tighten up on him he just gets progressively worse.

  15. goback2rfk - Sep 26, 2015 at 10:27 AM

    All these die hard Kirk Cousins fans will do anything and say anything to defend the guy. Lets get one thing straight Kirk Cousins has a worst INT rating than Jamarcus Russel. Yes that is correct. Jamarcus Russel had better throwing stats than Kirk Cousins.
    The guy is a INT machine. Once a INT machine always a INT machine. Look at Jay Cutler prime example.
    I am not a RG3 fan or Kirk Cousins fan but if Rob came out and played like Kirk this season he would be hung out to dry. It seems to me Kirk Cousins gets the special treatment for some reason. Free Rg3!

    • Jerel Jackson - Sep 26, 2015 at 10:36 AM

      I agree with everything you said if you going to bash RG3 with his mistakes then you have to bash Kirk with his as well people fair to realize Kirk got bench for the same reason today but they still give him his credit

    • brucefan1 - Sep 26, 2015 at 5:40 PM

      Reply

      goback2rfk posted, “Free Rg3!”

      Now yer gettin it, goback!

      Let’s start a movement; get some mojo workin!

      FREE RG3!

      FREE RG3!!

      FREE RG3!!!

      (how about Sig lining it at the end of any like-minded posts?)

      (Maybe , as someone posted recently, his freedom will be granted AFTER the trading deadline — when the F.O. has squeezed all they can out of that possibility. Maybe (maybe!) they’re hanging onto Griffin as a fallback in case the Gruden/Cousin experiment implodes, as others have speculated. Or maybe he’s just a last resort insurance policy for total QB disaster this season. Only time will tell.)

      FREE RG3!!!

  16. Jerel Jackson - Sep 26, 2015 at 10:32 AM

    In my opinion Kirk is showing me the same stuff last year interception after interception and they come in 2’s all the time I’m not about to give excuses cause when the game matter in the 1st quarter he was eyeing Pierre the whole time and Prince was looking right at him I don’t think Prince knew that interception was going be so easy. Once the bright lights hit Kirk he stumbles and I feel like we gotta face fact that Kirk is and will be a back up QB

  17. redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2015 at 10:35 AM

    Of >= 49 pass attempts, Cousins only produced a single touchdown catch in those attempts and it came late in the game. Combine that with his 2 INTs and 69.8 rating and this puts him in small company for that group as among the overall worst. This game was more or less an extension of his last two games. There hasn’t been any noticeable progress with him behind center. It’s one thing to see Cousins continue to produce more and more interceptions. However, it’s compounded by his continued off-target throws. Cousins missed more touchdown pass opportunities than he made Thursday. He made a similar poor pass against the Rams costing Ryan Grant a deep touchdown pass. The end result was a field goal. So Cousins cost us 4 points in that one play.

    This is the biggest issue with Cousins. He is not only giving points to the opponent with his interceptions but he is costing the offense points because of his shiny new weak arm.

    So this is not about players around him performing better so that the team can win games. Translation – what many are really suggesting is that the players around him will have to carry him in order to win games.

    Enough with blaming the special teams Thursday. Again! Any person paying attention in preseason and seeing the players lost to injury who were key on coverage should have known the special teams was going to be a liability. At least they made up for it some with the Reed touchdown return. Cousins inability to move the offense by throwing the ball is anemic and he tops it off with his vintage INTs that so many fans thought preseason proved he corrected.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2015 at 10:36 AM

      Rich, sorry about the duplicate comment. I didn’t see it show on my initial post attempt. So I thought it failed. I now see it under Johnny B’s comment. Please remove that one!

  18. jvdrock - Sep 26, 2015 at 10:45 AM

    Not to mention the Giants should be 3 and 0. The NFL admitted two calls went for Dallas that cost the Giants that game. I think they’ll win the division. They’ll get Victor Cruz back in a week. When you come up against a good team that needs to win, more often than not you lose.

    I do think Cousins is the man, I’ve been saying that since the draft. Griffin can’t read NFL defenses nor can he run an NFL offense. His rookie year Sanahan ran the Baylor offensive and it was very effective until NFL defenses adjusted. Same thing with Kaepernick in SF. The spread option is not long term viable in the NFL, just like there are no wishbone or triple option or wing T offenses. At this level the defenders are too fast and disciplined.

  19. goback2rfk - Sep 26, 2015 at 10:53 AM

    Cousins will be a great back up QB for someone for many years to come. Thanks for all your service Kirk but the Redskins just cant handle anymore of those pesky INT’s. Especially those ones deep in your own territory or the redzone. I would like to see Cousins stay within the division so the Skins have a chance to pound on him some day. You know pay him back for all those disgusting INT’s.

  20. mr.moneylover - Sep 26, 2015 at 10:55 AM

    He gotta be able to take the team down field on his own when things dont go as plan…the running game not gonna work every week thats why I think colt mccoy or rg3 will be better running this offense this team gonna fail because jay gruden dont want to look like he was wrong…if rg3 or colt mccoy get the same kind of protection kirk cousins get they will do a better job…atleast with rg3 or colt mccoy you dont gotta worry about throwing two or more INTs a game…jay gruden said its to early to bench kirk cousins said who??? And jay gruden said Kirk cousins doing to many good things to get bench right now said who??? Last time I check our record is 1-2 he got 4 INTs in both games we lost and three touchdowns overall…this is his 4th year hes not a rookie nomore thats far gone and he still making rookie mistakes steering down wide receivers to get picked off…hes a good backup but not a franchise starting QB jay gruden been drinking mike shanahan juice…

    • goback2rfk - Sep 26, 2015 at 11:34 AM

      I would like to see Colt McCoy get the nod and see what he can do. Colt was looking pretty good in the preseason games and his is certainly our best redzone QB. At this point Kirk should go inactive and back on to the bench like last year. Re-activate Rob into the back up role and see if we can string some wins together.

      • abanig - Sep 26, 2015 at 12:21 PM

        I think that’s something to consider after the Philly game. We shouldn’t deactivate Cousins at this point in the season

        • colmac69 - Sep 26, 2015 at 12:43 PM

          I assume your thinking we lose to philly then? Rgiii isn’t playing a dwn this yr unless it’s essential..if cousins gets benched McCoy will b starter and cousins back up

          U think skins are going to take a chance on a qb who is partial to inj and possibly blow a 16 mill hole in their cap nxt yr

          Would u advocate change if we bt philly?

        • abanig - Sep 26, 2015 at 3:02 PM

          Jim Nance said during Thursday night’s game that there is consideration being given to RG3 being the back up qb.

  21. mr.moneylover - Sep 26, 2015 at 11:04 AM

    But I think rg3 get resign next year for a one year deal…scot m. And dan Snyder letting jay gruden hang his self with his bad decision making …jay gruden got Jamison Crowder and rashad ross two guys who can burn most DBs in the NFL were they at most the time standing on the sideline…. who jay gruden rather put in the game ??? Andre Roberts who is on track to dropping half the catches thrown his way like last year another bad decision bein made

    • goback2rfk - Sep 26, 2015 at 11:22 AM

      I got RG3 coming back next year with the new coach whoever that may be. Cousins and Gruden are goners. No way Gruden or Kirk stays once the skins go 5 and 11 and Cousins has 28 INT’s and 16 TD’s for the year.

  22. mr.moneylover - Sep 26, 2015 at 11:36 AM

    Why do you think they saying kirk cousins is jay gruden guy???? Its because that report that came out a few weeks after jay gruden was hired that jay gruden didnt want to work with rg3 he really wanted to work with kirk cousins…thats why I think scot m. And dan snyder saying ok you want kirk cousins we gonna give you want if we fail again with kirk cousins because of you benching the guy you really suppose to be working on we gonna fire you…so thats why im not shock when dan Snyder came out and said ohh no im on board with this decision because its gonna be a reason why they let him go at the end of the year…jay gruden lied to get the job…all rg3 need is a head coach who support him and a scheme that fit him you will see this team take off in a way we havent seen since 2012 if coach Ken wishenhunt can do it with marcus mariota why cant jay gruden do the same????? It shows the lack of adjustment bein made jay gruden since he came to Washington DC…I really think scot m. Already know who will be coaching this team next year of course he wont come out and say nothing during the season but hes a guy who always thinking ahead to make this team better…its already been known he will be going after CBs and WRs next off-season

  23. mr.moneylover - Sep 26, 2015 at 11:57 AM

    @rfk…yeah scot m. Like rg3 and still think he can play…I think he know rg3 wasnt set up to have success when they hired jay gruden ….jay gruden scheme is made for a QB like peyton manning and theres only a few QBs in the league thats similar to that…even andy dolten said he struggle in jay gruden scheme…its the lack of adjustment jay gruden fail to make so why not hold back rg3 for a coach who can put together a scheme for rg3…in chip kelly scheme rg3 will be a top 5 QB because in that scheme he can showcase his talent while put up big numbers and I said the eagles because the eagles want rg3 bad thats why they didnt want to give sam Bradford a extension on his contract

  24. Bahaa - Sep 26, 2015 at 12:09 PM

    Rich I really don’t understand the insistence of the local media to make excuses for cousins while dissecting everything RG 3 does….. Yes cousins threw 49 passes but his ints came on his 4th and 29th passes and resulted in 14 Giant points and cost the redskins at least a FG….. A 17 to 21 point swing. Cousins was the main reason the tedskins were down 25-6 yes he had many attempts in garbage time when the game was already over….. The defense held the Giants to mostly Fgs until they finally broke…… The two games RG 3 threw 49 time the redskins were down instantly to Philly his first game back from his acl…. The defense was terrible . The next game against the lions it was a shootout and the redskins came within a reversed TD bomb to Armstrong from winning the game ..,,,, I understand the media gets their information from the coaching staff and sends out their message but to excuse cousins because half the NFL QBs throw 2 ints when throwing 49 times is a smoke screen. Cousins has thrown more ints in his 12 games than any other Qb in the NFL starter or backup ….. Enough sugar coating please

    • Bahaa - Sep 26, 2015 at 12:14 PM

      *4th and 20th pass

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2015 at 4:11 PM

      Well stated and great points bout the 49 passes. The facts about Cousins in three games is undeniable. He’s be really bad and no shucking and jiving on the stats can hide that.

  25. Eric - Sep 26, 2015 at 12:10 PM

    Ooh and Kirk’s quick decision ball out on back foot is why he throws ints per espn

    • abanig - Sep 26, 2015 at 12:18 PM

      Kirk’s impatience with routes developing also keeps him from seeing wide open receivers downfield. Kirk has missed 2 or 3 possible touchdowns because he chose to go underneath right away instead of waiting for a 20 yard route to develop.

      • colmac69 - Sep 26, 2015 at 12:55 PM

        What happens then if things stay same even with McCoy as qb…McCoy comes in but we lose six in a row.how long do we give him before people on this forum hammer him the same way it would appear that cousins is sole reason why we lose

        As I stated in first post I still think cousins can b qb the skins want but I don’t like seeing the ints as much as anyone but I’m not going to solely put all blame on him which certain people on this forum gladly do..if it doesn’t work out for cousins then he away end of season and we start with fresh qbs nxt yr

        • abanig - Sep 26, 2015 at 2:30 PM

          I hear you, but how do you keep playing Kirk Couins after the bye week if we’ve only win 1 or 2 games?

          In order for Kirk to keep his job, he’s got to lead this team to victories and cut down his erratic passes – those they lead to ints and those that lead to just big incompletions.

          Just like with Robert, this isn’t a charity case and IMO Robert never actually lost his job, he got hurt and they gave it to Cousins in the most shadiest of ways and in a mess that only the Redskins could accomplish.

          So, if Kirk’s going to be the qb, he has to prove he should be as the season goes on. We can’t keep trucking out a given loser every week.

  26. dcragtyme - Sep 26, 2015 at 12:39 PM

    Cannot help but remember when we had the “I like Sonny” and “I like Billy” bumper stickers all over town but, in comparison, with the current I WANT Cousins and I WANT Robert discourse I’ve noticed the vitriol has a distinct tone which goes beyond reason, fairness and real objectivity. My perspective places blame squarely on the HC, Gruden, for creating division among fans (as relates to his flip flopping QB’s after stating, without question, Robert’s the starter and was the best QB all thru training camp and then reversing course and now saying that Cousins was the best option all along—even before Robert got concussed) and fueling acrimony towards the team. His indecisiveness and duplicity, IMHO, has infected ALL areas of the team, not just the QB position. As a consequence, the entire team performs disjointed and out-of-sync and not cohesively as a focused, tough minded and well-disciplined professional football team. Examples of his duplicity and indecisiveness can be found both on the field and in his public comments purporting (1) “That the best player at any given position will be the pre-eminent starter” (which begs the question why isn’t Preston Smith starting ahead of Troy Murphy whom he has out performed, not only in pre-season, but also currently, thus far, thru this season, as well) and (2) stating that “The team will forge its identity as a power running team this year” then he abandons the run game (18 carries between MoJo) just as quickly as he abandoned Robert at QB this year and the running game last year!! Whatever transpires the REMAINDER of this season, WIN or LOSE, will ultimately decide the fate of Gruden at the END of the season, dare I say more than Griffin’s!!!!

  27. Skulb - Sep 26, 2015 at 1:02 PM

    This will probably all go a lot easier as soon as this team accepts the fact that they don´t have Dan Marino playing at QB and plan accordingly. There are no signs available that Cousins can do this job if you ask him to throw 50 passes pr game. There is some evidence that he might be able to if you limit the passes to -30.
    In 1981 and 1982 the Skins rarely won at all when they ran the ball less than 30 times and they rarely lost when they ran it more than 30. Obviously they also had a good ST, a good defense and Joe Theisman. But it´s still a good example of how to coach a team that´s presumably less talented than opposing teams. They took so much pressure off Joe with this that when he needed to make money throws late in the 1982 Superbowl he did.

    • ET - Sep 26, 2015 at 1:50 PM

      The same criteria apply to all three QBs on the roster—regardless of who’s starting, none of them should be taking 40 dropbacks a game. With the current incarnation of the team it’s not going to work, at least not consistently. (And that’s ok!)

      • Skulb - Sep 26, 2015 at 6:03 PM

        Yeah I agree. It´s even worse when you do it to Robert because of his issues in the pocket. Cousins did actually move pretty well on Thursday so that wasn´t really the problem. His throws just weren´t confident and the mental trouble seemed to return in full force.
        If you could somehow get Robert´s eyes to stay downfield and him upright he does have a better arm and would be the better option. I´m just not seeing it anymore. The passes need to come out, whether they are interceptions or not, so Scot can keep evaluating players other than the QB. And that´s Kirk all over because he almost never gets sacked.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2015 at 4:05 PM

      “But it´s still a good example of how to coach a team that´s presumably less talented than opposing teams. ”

      No it’s not! Unless you plan to have a losing season every year.

      Offenses are far more superior and sophisticated than the ones back then. If you can’t balance a run game with a sound passing game then you are doomed for a losing season in today’s football.

      • Skulb - Sep 26, 2015 at 6:00 PM

        Sure, balance. But not 65-35 passing-runs when you have shaky QBs in need of experience and evaluation.This happened quite a few times last year as well, when Gruden gave up on the run, even though he doesn´t appear to have the personnel to run a pass heavy offense at all. We don´t even really have a deep threat right now and still he went pass heavy.
        I get that we were behind and that it sort of forces you into the pass, but you´re going to lose anyway. Cousins is not likely to win a shootout with Eli Manning any time soon.Might as well go with what you´re good at and hope you can break them that way I think.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2015 at 7:30 PM

          “But not 65-35 passing-runs”

          Even in today’s passing league and even if Jackson was on the field, I can agree with that. Thursday was not the type of offense the team should be running. The only thing with Cousins I want to see improve is hitting his open receivers more on target. I think most fans can live with a few INTs from him as long as he can produce more points. There were a few touchdowns left off the board last Thursday. Reed looks almost impossible to cover and Jackson will be coming back. This should open up things for Garcon as well. I especially like the bubble screen to Crowder even though it was called back. If a Cousins who gives a few INTs at times can make use of those weapons the it may be the most we can expect from him this season.

        • Skulb - Sep 26, 2015 at 8:11 PM

          He had a rotten game and it would be silly to even argue about it. I agree with you though that the problem wasn´t really the INTs, which were contested and not very good ideas, but the failure to connect with so many of the other passes he made and with seeing open people. This disappointed me, the INTs didn´t. I expect two of them when you make Cousins throw 50 times. But was expecting a much more crisp delivery on all the other throws than what we got.
          There were some positive on offense in general. It was just too pass heavy so New York knew it was coming all the time. I think they would have looked better with a 50-50 split between pass and run, even if Cousins didn´t have a good game. And if you lose because you´re running a lot you would be losing anyway in the 50 pass shootout so what´s the problem?

          At least this is how I see things. RUN THE BALL!

  28. cortstell - Sep 26, 2015 at 1:47 PM

    First off, I’m not a Robert nor Kirk fan, I’m a fan of the Burgundy and Gold and root/support whoever is under center for the Skins. I rooted for Robert, but even the most diehard Robert fans have to see the big picture that it was ROBERT who no longer wanted to run the same kind of offense that made him the 2012 Rookie of the Year. He wanted to be in an offense that was simply not suited for him and his abilities. The reality is that Kirk may not be the long term answer, but Robert just does not look like a qb going in his fourth year. He still can’t make simple reads. He still looks like a complete deer in the headlights and is so uncomfortable, indecisive, and awkward operating in the pocket that he doesn’t even have the opportunity to throw a pick. Instead, he takes an unnecessary sack because he holds on to the ball too long, then fumbles the football, takes a big hit, then gets hurt. He’s sidelined for four to five weeks and we’re right back to Kirk anyway. No consistency. Plus, Robert’s play has been so bad that Scott McCloughan can’t even evaluate the other 52 players on the roster. Again, I’m not trying to hate on Robert. I rooted big time for Robert. But we also can’t ignore the fact that he probably has alienated a lot of teammates and coaches with his bazaar tweets on social media, telling the world that he’s the best qb in the league, and throwing his teammates under the bus after the Tampa game last year. And last but not least, we can’t ignore the fact that he played a part in running the previous coaching staff out of town that actually knew how to use his talents and abilities. The organization then hired Gruden (who the jury is still out on) who’s offensive style is not suited for RGIII. For whatever reason, it just hasn’t worked out here.

  29. redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2015 at 4:00 PM

    The hard cold fact is that Cousins is one of the worst QBs after three games already. We don’t even need Sunday and Monday to play out. It’s a fact now and will be a fact after Monday. Stop with the BS about defense not producing turnovers on the run blocking not performing as well Thursday. The fact is after three games that Cousins has manufactured almost as many points for the opponent that he has for his own team.

    However, I still support starting him until halfway into the seasons. Each week so far Cousins has proven to me the type of QB I thought he was. The ones here still defending him were the same ones that thought a few preseason games was enough to show he doesn’t have a INT issue any longer.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 26, 2015 at 4:13 PM

      “Each week so far Cousins has proven to me the type of QB I thought he was but even worst.”

  30. goback2rfk - Sep 26, 2015 at 6:37 PM

    Free Rg3! Free Rg3!! Free Rg3!!!

  31. Cal - Sep 26, 2015 at 7:24 PM

    Again Cousins has no arm strength & his accuracy is garbage… To start Cousins was Grudens’ plan from the start that’s y he sent Cousins to Jon’s QB camp in the off season… Y would u send ur back up & not ur supposed starting QB to work with ur brother if u want ur starter to succeed??? Then after publicly stating that RG3 has looked good in OTA’s & in training camp u be.ch him after the OL gets him killed in the second pre season game… Great show of support from the coach… I. The first pre season game RG3 completed 3 of 4 passes & on the other nothing was there so he ran for the first & guess what Gruden yanked him… Yet however he’s getting killed in the 2nd game & u leave him in for 4 series & then publicly state that if he didn’t get hurt I would’ve left him in there bcuz he needs the reps… So y didn’t he leave him on the field to get the much needed reps in the 1st game??? (Suspect)… Yank him out the game he’s looking good in but leave him in the game he’s getting killed in… Gruden won’t tailor the offense to RG3 strengths but he will tailor it to Cousins strengths… A bunch of short throws bcuz his arm strength is poor & he has no accuracy… Then when we lose the game he blames everybody but the real reason… It was Forbath in weak 1 not the fact that Cousins failed to convert in the red zone & threw 2 INT’s… Week 2 the running game & the defense won the game for us but Cousins got all the praise… Even got compared to an H.O.F QB & mentioned for an contract extension for managing a game with a mediocre stat line… To his credit he did throw a TD & no INT’s… I’m not saying RG3 is our savior but I know for a fact that in an offense that’s tailored to his strengths he’s way better than Cousins & McCoy is in this offense…

  32. jayovalentine - Sep 26, 2015 at 8:37 PM

    You didn’t post what Jamie Dukes said though…. He said : Kirk Cousins is a backup QB in this league. Gruden has to put away his ego and build an offense RGIII can run. And he’s right. RGIII has NEVER been a pocket passer, but Allen hires the other overrated Gruden to install his dunk and dunk offense. When Gruden gets fired, Allen should go as well. Take RGIII and Cousins with them. We have to start fresh.

    • abanig - Sep 27, 2015 at 1:44 AM

      I 100% agree with this. Kirk Cousisns isn’t a starter, I don’t know if anyone heard Jamie Dukes on “the man cave” but this is pretty much what he said and of course Jason Reid being his biased, impatient, Griffin & Allen hating self tried to counter what Dukes was saying but Reid hit shot down over and over again. The truth is that if you have a talented qb -with untapped potential – who executes some things most of the time, you use that offense as you develop him in other areas. If was expected that Jay sound develop Griffin as he had with Andy Dalton. Jay took a spread qb in Dalton and mixed in things he did well when Dalton was a young qb. Then, Jay slowly worked in his west coast offense with Dalton. He hasn’t shown he said patience with Griffin because I think he’s lazy! It’s easier to go to Kirk or Colt who are less talented than Griffin and have lower ceilings bug have been in a west coast offensive system for near or over a decade. It’s harder to develop Griffin and it’s more frustrating because he makes mistakes on his drop backs and in the pocket that the others don’t, but Griffin is safer as a passer that definitely Cousins and also safer than McCoy from when Colt was a 24 or 25 year old qb.

      The shanahans started this progress but they made mistakes a long the way and Mike picked aight with the owner, drug RG3 into it and it was a fight he couldn’t win. You can’t tell the man who hired you and gave you the keys to the entire organization to go screw himself when your team sucks and you start losing – just like all the teams you’ve constructed for a decade but one – well I guess you can tell he owner to go screw himself – but then to go crying to the media about how bad Snyder is for the next two years while no one wants to hire you makes you lose any speck of credibility you had left.

  33. squawonthewarpath - Sep 27, 2015 at 11:22 AM

    I think the coaching staff decided to go with Cousins, not because he is better than RG3, but because Cousins was going to end up playing anyway. Anybody with eyes knows Cousin’s is an interception machine. Just as it’s obvious to anyone that RG3 is a disaster (injury) waiting to happen again and again.

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