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The Redskins’ incredible shrinking draft classes

Sep 22, 2015, 9:58 AM EDT

Amerson-vs.-Rams

The release of David Amerson on Monday further thinned the ranks of players the Redskins drafted who are still making an impact on the team.

The team took the cornerback in the second round in 2013. Now, after just two seasons, there are just two players left from the seven that Mike Shanahan drafted that year. Third-round tight end Jordan Reed is a starter, although he was second on the depth chart until Niles Paul went out for the season with an ankle injury. Chris Thompson, selected in the fifth round, is the third-down back and occasional kickoff returner.

Let’s compare that group to the Packers’ draft class of 2013. Of the 11 players the selected, seven are still on the team. Three of them, left tackle David Bakhtiari, running back Eddie Lacy, and safety Micah Hyde, are starting.

The really bad news here is that 2013 has competition for being the worst draft class of recent seasons. Players drafted in 2011 should just be entering their prime seasons for the teams that drafted them. Ryan Kerrigan, Washington’s first-round pick that year, is doing just that, having signed a five-year, $57.5 million contract extension in July. But only he and Paul, a fifth-round pick, are left from the 12 players picked that year.

A few years ago it looked like the 2012 class would be an all-timer for Washington, with Robert Griffin III looking great as the top picks and Alfred Morris paying big dividends as a sixth-round pick. Even though Griffin has now been benched, perhaps permanently, fourth-round pick Kirk Cousins is staring at quarterback. Fourth-rounder Keenan Robinson look like the real deal at Mike linebacker and Josh LeRibeus (3rd round) and Tom Compton (6th) are reserve offensive linemen.

To wrap up the recent classes, 2014 is a mixed bad. This is the only draft class where Bruce Allen had final say on who was picked. Three of the top four selections, OLB Trent Murphy (2nd round), OT Morgan Moses (3rd), and CB Bashaud Breeland (4th) are either starter or major contributors. G Spencer Long (3rd) and WR Ryan Grant (5th) are solid reserves. But a team that needs special teams help got nothing from its last three picks as RB Lache Seastrunk (6th), TE Ted Bolser (7th), and K Zack Hocker (7th).

The very early returns on the 2015 group are looking favorable. Seven of the team’s 10 picks are on the 53-man roster. Brandon Scherff (1st round) is starting at right guard and both OLB Preston Smith (2nd) and RB Matt Jones (3rd) are contributing. Jamison Crowder (4th) is returning punts and S Kyshoen Jarrett did a nice job filling in as the nickel corner in a pinch against the Rams.

  1. hk2000 - Sep 22, 2015 at 10:14 AM

    May be you should be looking at talent development instead. Player development is much bigger factor than talent. I don’t think there is any player in the league (outside of P. Manning) who would have the same exact career on 2 different teams with 2 different coaches and/or systems.

    • jonevans511 - Sep 22, 2015 at 11:17 AM

      I’ll give you that, but why is it that some players at the same positions (Breeland vs Amerson) show development while others don’t? Maybe Breeland isn’t the best example since this is just his 2nd season, but the point is he had question marks coming out of college, worked his tail off to learn the game better on and off the field, and it paid dividends immediately. Amerson came in, made some good plays his rookie season, coasted through last offseason as though he had nothing to improve on, and it showed last year. Then he “takes things more seriously” this past offseason but still looks horrendous in preseason and game 1. This is not a development issue, and you can point to guys like Keenan and even Kerrigan as guys who have developed each year they’ve been in the league.

      There’s always a tendency to blame coaching staffs for players’ deficiencies, and often times it’s valid. But in this situation, I cannot accept that for the Skins draft picks because some have shown a knack for getting better while others don’t. This tells me it’s all about the individual and what they want out of their careers. Those who want it, take it.

      • hail74 - Sep 22, 2015 at 12:21 PM

        Well said

      • hk2000 - Sep 22, 2015 at 1:31 PM

        Look, I know this may not apply specifically to Amerson, but we had many players who were drafted early then ended up being cut- maybe the previous coach knew who he can develop and the new coach does not see them in the same light, I don’t know. I know for example students can learn better from different teachers, so you’ll find one student picking up what a specific teacher is trying to convey while it goes way above another students’ head, still, another teacher may have the opposite effect on the same two students. OK, I know this is getting too complicated, but I think you get the idea. And even though this is going to open the flood gates of mad replies, Until Gruden proves himself over the whole season and then some, I’m not letting him off the hook, The way he lied and schemed to ensure Griffin fails will never be forgotten by me or by many other fans in this town.

        • bangkokben - Sep 22, 2015 at 1:37 PM

          “The way he lied and schemed to ensure Griffin fails will never be forgotten by me or by many other fans in this town.”

          Nope. Just patently false speculation taken as Gospel and regurgitated as if it explains all things including the mysteries of the universe. You are spot on when you say people see and hear what they WANT to see and hear.

        • hk2000 - Sep 22, 2015 at 1:48 PM

          I have no proof it is true except by my own observation and judgement, you have no proof it is “Patently” false except by your own judgement. But we both know he does not like him, and any sane person knows that Gruden could not have gotten the job had he not at least implied willingness and ability to develop him, then through a year and a half made no attempt to do so. based on that dishonesty, I would not put beyond him something like scheming to put Griffin in the worst light.

        • warpath1 - Sep 22, 2015 at 3:14 PM

          They would only be dishonest intentions if you knew that to be true, and you don’t! I don’t believe there is a head coach in the league that has the time to develope individual players. He has to concern himself with the entire team , including the coaches. So anyone’s argument that jay could have done more with Robert, doesn’t hold water with me. Let’s enjoy the win and get behind our team. HTTR

        • hail74 - Sep 22, 2015 at 3:28 PM

          Your assuming that because RG3 hasn’t improved its because the coach is undermining him. Could just be that it’s taking Robert more time to learn a pro offense and sound fundamentals seeing as how he has never had to work on those things. Meanwhile coaches, players and GM’s get paid to win games not just to train QBs.

      • abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 11:29 PM

        Breeland is more talented and more physical that Amerson and Breland relishes having to play special teams, cover kicks and hit people – down thing Amerson not only sucks at but he seems to loathe.

        It’s widely known that if Breeland had stayed for his senior year he was projected to be a first round pick. Selecting him was a great decision by Bruce Allen and those who assisted him.

        It seems to me Amerson is playing on the wrong side of the ball, Amerson plays more like most offensive players, he has that I don’t want to get hit mentality.

  2. abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 10:24 AM

    Shanahan was not a good personnel person. Great offensive mind, not a good personnel person. This has been proven over the last 15 years.

    • bangkokben - Sep 22, 2015 at 10:46 AM

      I think he was an upgrade to our previous personnel man and did okay for his system. Some of his picks simply don’t work in other systems and there is more to being a good personnel person than just the draft. There are the free agents and trades. Let me make sure that I’m not putting lipstick on a pig. If Cerrato was the bar for failure, then I’d grade Shanahan at C- or D.

      What also needs to be noted is how the front office often has to “double down” on similar positions due to past failures. Preston Smith is drafted because Trent Murphy is perceived to not be an NFL pass rusher. Lache Seastrunk may have been picked due to Chris Thompson’s injuries/lack of development. All the DBs picked in 2013 and the failure there is reminiscent of earlier failures both in free agency and the draft. (2008: Justin Tryon, Kareem Moore, and Chris Horton.)

      • abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 1:17 PM

        I think Cerratos record was better than Shnahan’s as our top personnel guy from 1999-2009 minus the 01 year when Marty and his family ran everything.

        Cerrato sucked, no doubt, but I’d argue Shanhan sucked harder from 2010-2013 as our top personnel guy.

        There’s a reason Shanahan was fired in Denver after he was given full control after Elway retired in 2000. He sucked as a personnel guy, he traded away multiple picks in Denver for draft busts and most of his draft picks other than some running backs and some offensive lineman busted.

        • bangkokben - Sep 22, 2015 at 1:32 PM

          Anything he did in Denver, I don’t care about or consider in my grade. At least we still have Trent Williams and Ryan Kerrigan – although we could’ve had JJ Watt. What do we have from Cerrato? Nothing. Anything he did okay was because of Joe Jackson Gibbs. Cerrato hired Zorn, lest you forget and then wasted the entire 2008 draft. If Chad Rhinehart is still playing that would make just him and Orakpo as guys left in the league of the 16 he drafted after Gibbs. There isn’t even a comparison. What did Cerrato do close to Alfred Morris or Keenan Robinson?

        • abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 6:18 PM

          Let’s see…

          1. Cerrato out together the deal that got the Redskins Chris Samuels in the 2000 draft – arguably a hall of fame player.

          2. Signed/traded for Lavernas Coles which eventually led to the Redskins trading for Santana Moss, the team’s best WR over the past 20 seasons.

          3. Traded for Clinton Portis when they were facing a hold out from Champ Bailey in 04.

          Cerrato signed and drafted the players that he, Gibbs and Williams agreed on from 04-07, which led to two playoff appearances and the team’s only playoff win this century.

    • ET - Sep 22, 2015 at 11:39 AM

      Shanahan did a better job than Cerrato, and Shanny was pretty good at finding good scheme fits on the offensive side, particularly running backs. He also managed to develop Niles Paul and Darrel Young. He had his share of misses, of course, but even the mighty Scot M. has a few of those under his belt.

      • drunksapper - Sep 22, 2015 at 12:53 PM

        I think you could pull random people out of the stands and they’d do better than Cerrato.

        It’s not an accomplishment.

        • abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 1:18 PM

          How was Shanahan better?

          Cerrato’s record was better.

        • hk2000 - Sep 22, 2015 at 1:35 PM

          It’s not just the record, it’s how he over paid like its not his money, Oh wait..

        • abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 5:42 PM

          Shanahan and Allen overpaid to get players and keep them also, need a list?

          1. Pierre garçon – who’ve we paid 10 mil for avg play last years and it looks to be the same this year

          2. Stephen Bowen
          3. Barry Cofield
          4. Jamaal Brown
          5. Adam Carriker
          6. Josh Morgan

        • drunksapper - Sep 22, 2015 at 3:04 PM

          Or you being serious?

          Shanahan sucked, but part of it was due to he had to pick up the pieces after Cerrato DESTROYED the team, and then took a leak on the ashes.

          Cerrato single-handedly put this team back a decade.

        • warpath1 - Sep 22, 2015 at 3:20 PM

          Don’t forget the only constant in this equation. Snyder.

        • abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 5:46 PM

          The 2009 team needed rebuilt because we we’re old, most of those players retired that year, or within 2 years.

          No matter who was the gm in 09 & 10 they were dealing with a team that needed rebuilt.

          The biggest mistakes Cerrato made were the signing of Haynesworth, the drafting of Thomas & Kelly, and the trading of some draft picks for vets.

          How’s that any different than Shanahan?

        • ET - Sep 22, 2015 at 6:37 PM

          “How’s that any different than Shanahan?”

          A) Cerrato displayed a much greater magnitude of idiocy over a much larger time, especially when he continually prioritized free agent BandAids over building through the draft.

          B) Albert Frackin’ Haynesworth. Unforgivable.

          (Sidenote: it’s disconcerting to be defending Shanahan about anything, but the guy did a competent job at one or two things.)

        • abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 11:19 PM

          Well the last two playoff games this franchise has won, Cerrato was the director of personnel for those teams. He made many mistakes but you can’t take those playoff wins away from him and given them to Shanahan.

        • drunksapper - Sep 22, 2015 at 7:11 PM

          You know why they were old? Because Cerrato would bring in big names who were way past their primes with fat, atrocious, albatross contracts.

          Case in point: Deion Sanders.

          The Skins under Cerrato never even attempted to build through the draft. It was a foreign concept to them. So much so that it ruined both the actual team AND the front office.

        • abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 7:21 PM

          They were old in 08 & 09!! Not from 04-07!

          I don’t know if you know this but people age, players get old.

          What are you gonna do next, blame Sean Taylor’s killing on Cerrato?

          He took some talent players when he was in DC. They didn’t all work out, they all didn’t stay healthy, didn’t mature and weren’t all developed by the coaching staff.

          Ultimately it all falls on the GM and that’s why he and Zorn were fired after 09 but Cerrato’s history in DC isn’t that different than most stories of Gms across the NFL.

          Some hits, some misses and about a .500 record.

        • drunksapper - Sep 22, 2015 at 8:00 PM

          Sean Taylor was an obvious pick. A 13 year fantasy footballer would have gotten that right.

          Cerrato didn’t have anything close to a .500 record.

          We are STILL fixing his mistakes. He might be the worst GM in the history of this towns sports teams, and is directly responsible along with Snyder for driving a once respected franchise straight into the ground. It isn’t even debatable.

  3. troylok - Sep 22, 2015 at 10:32 AM

    So, what is the magic that turns draft picks into quality players? Is it evaluation of talent leading up to the draft? Is it a good system of developing players? Is it something about culture that motivates and keeps players reaching for the next level? Is it what goes on in the weight room that keeps players free from injury and possessing that extra edge in conditioning?

    It is easy to say it is just about picking the wrong players but that can’t be all it is because that doesn’t explain players cut by the Redskins that seem to thrive elsewhere. Leonard Hankerson never panned out in Washington but he seems to be a contributor in Atlanta. Baccari Rambo seems to be doing okay in Buffalo.

    The philosophy of developing players seems to have been a little quirky. How do you justify leaving aging veteran Moss in the lineup last year in meaningless games when you had a bright spot like Ryan Grant sitting on the bench? Is the team making the same kind of mistake with Bates this year when they could have dropped a DL like Golston who has seen his better days and kept a promising linebacker? It is almost like the team has no faith in its ability to develop players.

    • jizmaglobin95610 - Sep 22, 2015 at 10:38 AM

      There’s been a lot of front office/coaching changes this year in Washington. Finally, an actual GM. Defensive coordinator was replaced as well as new coaching positions added. It’s just further proof Shanahan has been over rated for quite some time now.

    • bangkokben - Sep 22, 2015 at 10:54 AM

      Bates is on the practice squad, if he develops, SUPER! But stop acting like the back of the roster is why guys don’t develop. Chris Thompson was on last year’s practice squad. If Bates can play special teams, bring him up but stop acting like the Redskins are sitting on diamonds but just can’t find a shovel to dig. Rashad Ross is on the roster. Plummer was moved up from the PS only to get called on a key holding on that “groundhog day” punt against the Rams. Morgan Moses on his first play missed the snap count last year and was replaced by Tom Compton. The young guys are getting their shots and WHAT THEY do with it is determining their role.

      • troylok - Sep 22, 2015 at 11:48 AM

        I am not suggesting that is the only reason why players haven’t panned out but you have to question why Grant was riding the pine last year while Moss – who they clearly weren’t going to re-sign – was given the reps.

        • bangkokben - Sep 22, 2015 at 11:59 AM

          Grant started the season with the reps while Moss was inactive. So, I don’t have any questions. Grant started out well but then after he put some stuff out on film, when he was targeted, the result was often an incompletion or an interception. Then Moss was activated. Hankerson was activated. Then Grant got back on the field at the end of the year when Hankerson showed he didn’t know the offense.

        • bangkokben - Sep 22, 2015 at 1:11 PM

          Games played, games started, games targeted, and total targets by Redskins wide receivers in 2014 according to Pro Football Reference

          Games played, started
          Garcon 16,14
          Roberts 16, 4
          Grant 16, 2
          Jackson 15, 13
          Moss 10, 0
          Robinson 5, 0
          Hankerson 1, 0

          Games targeted, total targets
          Garcon 16, 105
          Jackson 15, 95
          Roberts 16, 73
          Grant 5, 15*
          Moss 5, 15
          Robinson 1, 1
          Hankerson 1, 1

          *(two games when Grant was targeted overlapped with Moss’ games targeted – weeks 13 & 16)

          So there is no statistical evidence that suggests that keeping Moss on the roster has hindered Grant’s development or taken away snaps from him. In fact, one could construe an argument that Moss being on the roster helped develop Grant. (Grant watched the veteran’s approach to the game and practice whether he was active or not, giving him tips for the trade, etc.) If you listened to Moss last week on ESPN 980, you’d know that Moss thinks very highly of Grant.

    • ET - Sep 22, 2015 at 12:19 PM

      Development is a complicated thing. But the Skins seem to be on an upward trajectory as far as finding and developing personnel that’ll work within the current system.

      With someone like Rambo, I think the issues were A) scheme fit (Haslett’s scheme), and B) Rambo’s maturity level. With others, it could be injuries or adapting to the speed of the pro game. Many of the teams that we think of as excellent on the personnel side (Packers, Patriots) also benefit from stability in the front office and at the coaching level. Teams with a high rate of developmental success have a clearly articulated philosophy—and they stick to it. The Skins have lacked that stability for a long time, as we’re all painfully aware. Let’s hope Scot has put the team on the right path.

  4. zatoichi7 - Sep 22, 2015 at 10:37 AM

    you left out shanahan’s first draft class which yielded trent williams and perry riley. he missed on many but left the redskins with an all pro left tackle, a starting qb, two starting tight ends, a pro bowl running back, and three of their four starting linebackers (how kerrigan did not make it to the pro bowl last year is beyond me). and rg3. plus, he signed pierre garcon. overall not great but he didn’t leave the cupboard bare and a significant improvement over the cerrato years.

    • jizmaglobin95610 - Sep 22, 2015 at 10:39 AM

      Anybody could have improved the team from the Cerrato years. Vinny was an idiot.

    • abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 4:10 PM

      Cerrato’s teams were at worst 5-11 or 6-10 until 2009 when the entire offensive line was hurt and we lost both Portis and Betts for the season.

      • bangkokben - Sep 22, 2015 at 4:53 PM

        You’re not just playing devil’s advocate; you are literally the Devil’s advocate.

        You defend the indefensible, with records? Two number two draft picks and a HOF corner for two injured running backs is your defense?

        I’d like a jury poll. Anyone buying abanig’s argument? Anyone?

  5. mr.moneylover - Sep 22, 2015 at 11:19 AM

    Mike shanahan was known not to draft good players and struggle to bring the best out of them…im not surprise at all…finally they got rid of david amerson we are better without him ..will blackmon was gonna be a starter in seattle but Seattle had to much depth at CB something the redskins tryna build and with Justin Rodgers and Will blackmon ill CB depth just got upgraded…scot m. Slowly but surely building this team up

  6. mr.moneylover - Sep 22, 2015 at 11:26 AM

    David amerson didnt take the game serious…he thought since he had a good rookie year he didnt have to study and work on technique…showing up late or not at all to film study, not showing up to practice will get you out the NFl faster then you can blink

  7. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Sep 22, 2015 at 11:31 AM

    “and K Zach Hocker (7th)”

    He’s starting for the Saints, one could argue that the mistake was keeping Cobra Kai and letting Zach go.
    ~

  8. bangkokben - Sep 22, 2015 at 11:42 AM

    Although I agree with this sentiment: “scot m. Slowly but surely building this team up.” Will Blackmon for David Amerson appears to be evidence for the contrary. We replaced a 23-year-old 2nd round pick for a guy who is playing for his fifth franchise and will be 31 before Halloween.

    Now Amerson couldn’t play the slot while Blackmon, Justin Rogers and Breeland can. Now we got three corners that can play there. But here is our corner depth chart with their ages:

    Chris Culliver 27, Will Blackmon 30, Justin Rogers 27
    DeAngelo Hall 31, Bashaud Breeland 23

    So we just got older. Now since Amerson can’t play, we just got better and deeper but older too.

    • ET - Sep 22, 2015 at 12:24 PM

      You’re right, but what was the alternative? Keep Amerson in and pray?

      • goback2rfk - Sep 22, 2015 at 12:26 PM

        Why did they not try and move him to free safety. Was that out of the question. Maybe he could have played back up safety or something.

        • abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 1:42 PM

          Trenton Robinson is better. We drafted Jarrett and he’s better and we signed Jerron Johnson and he’s better.

          There’s no room for Amerson

        • brucefan1 - Sep 22, 2015 at 2:09 PM

          One thing that really bugged me about Amerson on Sunday (leaving aside how quickly and after Miami targeted him when he went in for DHall week 1) was how poorly he blocked the gunner on Crowder’s punt returns on special teams. He almost got homeboy KILLT a coupla times!!

          Dunno know if that was a case of not enough “want to” or not enough “able to”, but he was bad!

          I hope whoever gets that job going forward is ready, willing & able to do a better job (which is not saying much), cuz when Jammy finally got a tiny crack, he returned that punt 10 yards. Given a little space, I think he could be special.

        • ET - Sep 22, 2015 at 2:15 PM

          I’m pretty stoked about how Jarrett is coming along. Even if he ends up being mostly an off-the-bench guy, his positional flexibility is great to have.

      • bangkokben - Sep 22, 2015 at 12:35 PM

        No. I’m fine with the move. He was drafted in the Seahawk corner mold but the former Seahawk talent evaluate-or cut him. You can only keep so many inactive players on your roster (#10) that you may hope to get a return on. I suspect Amerson was merely glad to collect game checks without enough desire to improve. But looking ahead, we will need to replace Hall, and Blackmon perhaps next year and having a 24-year-old waiting in the wings (however underachieving), gives you less to replace.

        • abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 1:40 PM

          There was no reason to keep Amerson anymore, I questioned in a blog I wrote about the roster of he should have even made the team for week 1 because Justin Rogers had greatly outplayed him – not only on defense but on special teams also.

          Amerson was atrocious on special teams and if you’re going to be the 4th or 5th corner, you have to be a good gunner/kick off coverage guy and he wasn’t.

          He was given a chance to develop on special teams for 3 years and like other Shanahan Db draft picks he sucked at special teams.

          I’m sure if Hall retires after this year that they’ll sign a FA nickel corner and draft a guy in the 5th round or later to compete with Justin Rogers for the 4th corner spot.

        • bangkokben - Sep 22, 2015 at 1:44 PM

          Like I said, I am fine with the move. It is refreshing to get rid of all of Shanahan’s dead weight along with Forbath.

        • bangkokben - Sep 22, 2015 at 1:59 PM

          Good point about the special teams. Shanahan took a below average special teams unit and decimated it. He felt he didn’t need provide resources to it and still get the same results.

    • goback2rfk - Sep 22, 2015 at 12:25 PM

      Yeah were are getting a little crusty around the edges here at the cornerback position. I like the analysis here.
      Hopefully, we can address a couple more areas next year and really get on the right track.

  9. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Sep 22, 2015 at 1:59 PM

    I’d say 2014 is pretty good. Missing on the last 3 guys if you hit on so many of your earlier rounders is o.k.

    Getting a solid RT from Morgan Moses in the 3rd is huge, along with 4th-rounder Breeland at CB.
    ~

  10. hail74 - Sep 22, 2015 at 3:35 PM

    That’s the problem with constant coaching changes, they often result in massive roster turnover. Shanny’s problem as a talent evaluator was he would judge a player off of their hi light reel and then think he could coach them up to perform like that 100% of the time.

    • abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 3:52 PM

      Exactly, he had too much on his plate! Everyone knew this when be was hired. A lot like when we had Marty, Snyder gave him them too much control and once they got it, they weren’t giving it up.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 22, 2015 at 7:09 PM

        You’re way off on that Marty assumption there! The worst decision ever for this team was the one that led to letting Marty go. He very well could have built a dynasty after he fired Cerrato and hired John Schneider. Marty was building a world class front office around before he was fired. Then Snyder hires Cerrato back?

        • abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 7:13 PM

          Schneider was hired by Marty?

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 22, 2015 at 7:53 PM

          “May 31, 2001, Washington Times: The scouting staff is expected to undergo a major reshuffling for the second straight year. Former personnel director Vinny Cerrato dismissed many longtime scouts in 2000 during his first season with the team. Schottenheimer fired Cerrato in January. Schottenheimer said Schneider is free to assemble his own staff, but some of the current four scouts might remain. “When you hire somebody to do the job, you let them do the job,” Schottenheimer said. “I’ll have some input on who we choose. Ultimately, the decision has to be Schneider’s.””

          The link below has the complete timeline
          https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/02/03/when-john-schneider-was-with-the-redskins/

        • abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 11:02 PM

          Thanks, I was never sure quite when Schneider was on the Redskins.

          Man, if only we had kept him…

    • goback2rfk - Sep 22, 2015 at 3:54 PM

      Shanny got a lot of bad publicity. He is not nearly as bad of a coach as people make him out to be. And his son little Shanny, while I didnt like the guy and never will, he is a OK offensive coordinator. I dont see Kyle Shanahan in a coaching role anytime soon but he is OK at O-Coordinator Not great but OK

      • abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 4:13 PM

        Coaches, yes, good coaches. Not good personnel people and not good at working with and managing different personalities

  11. kenlinkins - Sep 22, 2015 at 6:50 PM

    Amerson was not on the market long as Oakland claimed him today. How far out of favor do you have to fall to be the highest draft pick from your draft class to be cut and beat out of your position by someone who was only in the locker room less than a week? I wonder if this was a “there is just no hope for this guy” or “we can not wait for him to develop any longer” type of move. On Monday the subject was can the Redskins win the NFC East and the GM gave his answer. He must feel this team can make a move this year and Amerson was not in his plans after his poor showing against the Dolphin’s. Amerson looked like a “Top” spinning on the Dolphins TD and it was clear he was guessing and not really playing his man. IMO the Redskins were going to use a high pick in the 2016 draft at CB and there are a few good ones in the first round along with Safety help in both the first and second rounds so why not cut free someone who seems to fall into the “just didn’t get it” section of the locker room. Amerson was up and down at N.C. St and played both CB and FS, so we will keep an eye on him and find out if he can play now with the chip that better be on his shoulder. He does have some skills but IMO lacked the heart required to be part of a rebuilding, improving team and Oakland will find this out soon.

  12. abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 7:13 PM

    Let’s see…

    1. Cerrato out together the deal that got the Redskins Chris Samuels in the 2000 draft – arguably a hall of fame player.

    2. Signed/traded for Lavernas Coles which eventually led to the Redskins trading for Santana Moss, the team’s best WR until we got Djax and Moss’ 05 was better than all but one of Djax’s seasons.

    3. Traded for Clinton Portis when they were facing a hold out from Champ Bailey in 04.

    Cerrato signed and drafted the players that he, Gibbs and Williams agreed on from 04-07, which led to two playoff appearances and the team’s only playoff win this century.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 22, 2015 at 8:01 PM

      “Traded for Clinton Portis when they were facing a hold out from Champ Bailey in 04.”

      That was a crap offer they gave Bailey which explains the possible holdout. Cerrato helped to pushed out a future HOF shutdown corner. How is that a good deal? I like Clinton but he was not the player Bailey was and we certainly should not have tacked on another 2nd round pick for Portis. We lost out in that trade.

      • abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 8:07 PM

        He wasn’t going to sign a long term deal and wanted a trade instead of being on the franchise tag because his wife gave him an ultimatum

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 22, 2015 at 8:11 PM

          I recall some of the circumstances but that’s why you need good front office personnel. You don’t give up on a player like that so easily. I regret that trade to this day.

          Vinny nailed a few selection like Sean Taylor but he bombed far worst than we got right. He was really bad at his job so I’m not sure why we are hailing a few things he got right.

        • abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 10:58 PM

          Gibbs signed off on the trade. Gibbs valued a workhorse running back more than Bailey and we did sign Shawn Springs who was a pro bowl caliber corner for us from 04-07.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 22, 2015 at 8:05 PM

      “Michigan State’s Devin Thomas was the first of the three players to be selected that year after a 79 reception season as a Spartan. Thomas came out of college as a quick and sizable wideout with raw talent, but in the end he managed to accrue only 11 career starts with the Redskins. He soon became a journeyman around the league and made no further impact as a receiver. Thomas last veered off his path through the NFL in August of last year when the Detroit Lions released him.

      Jordy Nelson, Eddie Royal and Jerome Simpson were drafted at receiver soon after Devin Thomas in 2008. By the time the Redskins would pick again Matt Forte would move off the board, as well as linebacker of the London Fletcher mold, Curtis Lofton.”

      http://cover32.com/redskins/2014/02/20/2008-nfl-draft-a-vinny-cerrato-odyssey/

      Thanks Vinny!!!

      • abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 8:12 PM

        It’s hard to put that all on Cerrato, in the end he’s responsible, but if you ask scouts around the league almost 100% of them will tell you Devin Thomas was the most talented wr in the 08 draft going into it, the main worry about him was he was a one year wonder in college and that worry came to fruition as he never developed into a starting quality WR in the nfl.

        Before the draft most scouts had him as a 1st round pick, I believe projected as high as to the bills in the teens and he fell to round 2.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 22, 2015 at 8:17 PM

          That maybe justifiable until you also have to recall, we followed up that pick with a TE and another WR? It looked more like fantasy football than an NFL Draft…

          “The second player taken by the Redskins in that draft was Fred Davis out of USC and BCS Championship fame. As a tight-end who fit the model of a downfield threat Davis was expected to create mismatches the same way Vernon Davis has for the 49ers. Fred would only show flashes of potential in a handful of big games which turned out to be more of a tease to fans than an actual display of substance. His best year statistically was hindered in its beginnings by a four game suspension. A free-agent this off-season Fred Davis will miss six games for similar violations, and after six years through a tumultuous era of Redskins history he is unlikely to return to Washington. He may be altogether out juice, with nothing to offer another team as well.

          Desean Jackson was drafted soon after Davis, proving that the wide receivers Cerrato was clearly seeking were abundant in the 2008 draft.
          Malcolm Kelly would round out the triumvirate of Cerrato’s 2008 wide receiver reaches, and as the final pick of this infamous 2nd round he was in many ways a better pedigree than his two aforementioned draft mates. As a receiver for the Oklahoma Sooners he began to show strides as a true freshman and reached 1,000 career yards faster than any player in Sooner history. A knee injury would lead to his decline but the Redskins risked picking him in hopes that he might recover. Kelly played 16 games for the Redskins and would fade quietly into oblivion without so much as one touchdown to ever prove his existence.

          Once the Redskins new combination of pass recievers was complete, Ray Rice would be peeled off the board by Baltimore and on into the third round Jamaal Charles would fall to Kansas City. At wide receiver Mario Manningham would follow into the third round and even Pierre Garcon and Stevie Johnson would linger into the very late rounds that year.”

        • abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 9:35 PM

          Well Davis didn’t end up being a horrible pick, he had a few years that were pro bowl worthy.

          It’s easy to say in hindsight there were a few pro bowlers he didn’t take, but no one knew that at the time.

          The truth is, there weren’t any offensive lineman that panned out in the second round of that draft.

          I only know one person I’ve ever met that wanted to take Jordy Nelson over Devin Thomas and most people didn’t want Djax because he was small and had off the field problems.

          If not for Shanahan and the scheme change, Reinhart would have been our starting RG in 2010.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 22, 2015 at 8:14 PM

      Also even though we got Moss, you can’t condone this…

      “When Cerrato exchanged a first-round draft pick for Jets wideout Laveranues Coles in 2003, the Redskins got a player who had been making less than $400,000. But the Redskins signed him to a contract with a $13 million signing bonus and a base salary of over $2 million. After two less-than-stellar seasons in Washington, Coles was traded back to the Jets (for wide receiver Santana Moss) with a signing bonus that was $8 million less than what he had received from the Redskins.”

      • abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 9:56 PM

        That’s because by that time Coles was two years older, he wasn’t worth the same amount of $.

        I mean we could constantly do this back a and forth. In 01, Schotenheimer didn’t take any players that worked out long term and passed on multiple pro bowlers including Santana Moss (he and Coles together would have been awesome!), Hutchinson & Casey Hampton. The last two bring possible hall of fame players.

        • abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 10:05 PM

          Marty also passed on future hall of fame qb Drew Brees… Twice! Passed on him in the 01 draft when he was running the Redskins and in San Diego in favor of Phillip Rivers.

          Who did Shannahan draft in 01? A corner called Willie Middlebrooks! What the hell did that guy do in the nfl?

  13. smotion55 - Sep 23, 2015 at 9:32 AM

    Letting Amerson go was part of the culture change. He did not study last year and was late or missed a meeting on a road game last year, was given the off season and 1st 2 games to show change. I believe he got caught up in the night life can,t change.. The move to the Raiders might be a double edged sword for this kid.As far as the draft picks- you have to ask 2 Questions – WHO PICKED THEM And do they now fit what your trying to do.

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