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Need to Know: Five early thoughts on Redskins vs. Giants

Sep 22, 2015, 5:03 AM EDT

Breeland-vs.-Beckham

Here is what you need to know on this Tuesday, September 22, two days before the Redskins travel to play the Giants.

Five early thoughts on Redskins vs. Giants

Actually, these are not really early because the game is in two days. But here we go anyway:

—The Redskins get no break when it comes to playing teams that are tough to run against. The Giants actually have allowed fewer rushing yards than the Redskins and teams have tried to run against them. The numbers are 45 rushing attempts, 136 yards, a 3.0 average. Washington’s line is 31/141/4.5.

—The Giants have a rather extensive injury list. If Jason Pierre Paul started practicing today he would not play Thursday. WR Victor Cruz missed the first two games with a calf injury following knee surgery last year and it is very unlikely that he makes his season debut on Thursday. Other Giants who have a short week to try to recover are left tackle Ereck Flowers (ankle) and CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (head). Tom Coughlin did not give the media much of an update on Flowers and Rodgers-Cromartie on Monday so time will tell on them.

—Rodgers-Cromartie is the injury to keep an eye on. The New York pass defense has been shaky even with him in the lineup. Opposing quarterbacks have completed 72.5 percent of their passes against them and have gained 7.9 yards per attempt. It should be noted that the quarterbacks were Tony Romo and Matt Ryan. Kirk Cousins isn’t on their level at this point in his career. We will see what he can get done.

—Odell Beckham Jr., as one would expect, has been Eli Manning’s favorite target. The quarterback has thrown at Beckham 20 times, seven more targets than to any other player. Last year’s rookie of the year has 12 catches for 190 yards and a touchdown. You can do the math and see that he’s on pace for another spectacular season. Chris Culliver gives the Redskins a good shot at limiting him but he will make some plays.

—Rashad Jennings has been the Giants’ primary running back but he has averaged just 2.9 yards on his 22 carries. It should be noted that being handed the ball and told not to score doesn’t help your average much. If that keeps up we could see a shift to the younger Andre Williams, who is averaging 4.8 yards on 12 carries.

Timeline

Today’s schedule: Practice 12:15; Jay Gruden news conference and player availability after practice.

Days until: Redskins @ Giants Thursday night 2; Eagles @ Redskins 12; Redskins @ Falcons 19

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—The Redskins get no break when it comes to playing teams that are tough to run against. The Giants actually have allowed fewer rushing yards than the Redskins and teams have tried to run against them. The numbers are 45 rushing attempts, 136 yards, a 3.0 average. Washington’s line is 31/141/4.5.

—The Giants have a rather extensive injury list. If Jason Pierre Paul started practicing today he would not play Thursday. WR Victor Cruz missed the first two games with a calf injury following knee surgery last year and it is very unlikely that he makes his season debut on Thursday. Other Giants who have a short week to try to recover are left tackle Ereck Flowers (ankle) and CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (head). Tom Coughlin did not give the media much of an update on Flowers and Rodgers-Cromartie on Monday so time will tell on them.

—Rodgers-Cromartie is the injury to keep an eye on. The New York pass defense has been shaky even with him in the lineup. Opposing quarterbacks have completed 72.5 percent of their passes against them and have gained 7.9 yards per attempt. It should be noted that the quarterbacks were Tony Romo and Matt Ryan. Kirk Cousins isn’t on their level at this point in his career. We will see what he can get done.

—Odell Beckham Jr., as one would expect, has been Eli Manning’s favorite target. The quarterback has thrown at Beckham 20 times, seven more targets than to any other player. Last year’s rookie of the year has 12 catches for 190 yards and a touchdown. You can do the math and see that he’s on pace for another spectacular season. Chris Culliver gives the Redskins a good shot at limiting him but he will make some plays.

—Rashad Jennings has been the Giants’ primary running back but he has averaged just 2.9 yards on his 22 carries. It should be noted that being handed the ball and told not to score doesn’t help your average much. If that keeps up we could see a shift to the younger Andre Williams, who is averaging 4.8 yards on 12 carries.

Timeline

Today’s schedule: Practice 12:15; Jay Gruden news conference and player availability after practice.

Days until: Redskins @ Giants Thursday night 2; Eagles @ Redskins 12; Redskins @ Falcons 19

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  1. abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 7:35 AM

    PROTECT THE BALL STUPID!!!’ That is all…

    What’d we have 6? Can’t have that many turnovers and expect to win. If we didn’t have that many turnovers, we may have won.

    • bangkokben - Sep 22, 2015 at 7:54 AM

      We were always more than a score behind before the turnover barrage started. But let’s not forget that we played them again since then and once again the defense couldn’t stop them.

      • abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 8:02 AM

        Yeah, remember Paulsen’s fumble inside the redzone right before half?

        Then, I when Polumbus got beat and Kirk fumbled because of it, wasn’t that in the first half also?

        Those were well before the “tsunami of turnovers” ( Trevor Matich) by Cousins in the late 3rd quarter & 4th quarter.

        • bangkokben - Sep 22, 2015 at 9:49 AM

          Polumbus getting beat for the sack/fumble WAS the ‘skins first drive. Just looked that up. Right after a Giants opened with a three and out. They never looked back after scoring a touchdown. They did, however, punt again the next possession with the score 7-0. We followed that with a punt. The scored making 14-0. Then we traded scores before the rest of the turnovers. Paulsen’s fumble was with the score 21-7 at the Giant 18 with 1:16 left in the half. Of course NY made it 24-7 at half.

          Can’t start the game with a turnover, for sure. But is there any reason to think that will happen based on what we’ve seen so far?

        • abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 10:01 AM

          You mean Paulsen’s fumbled with 1:16 left in the first half, right?

          That one sucked! We were at worst in FG range.

        • bangkokben - Sep 22, 2015 at 10:25 AM

          Yeah. 6-10 point swing right before half.

      • Skulb - Sep 22, 2015 at 8:36 AM

        If you haven´t noticed yet the Skins don´t have quite the same defense they did last year. About the only thing I can recognize is Baker´s helmet slap and the uniforms. We can´t use last season to predict anything apparently, at least not on defense. Hatcher in particular has just come alive here and looks Big Time.
        Not saying the Skins will win in New York. But if they lose I have a feeling it´s not going to be because of the defense. On a positive notes the issues in the secondary, special teams and with offensive penalties were all improved from week 1 to week 2. If there is no relapse I think there should be a good chance to win. And as long as we´re competitive I think we should be happy really, considering the last two seasons we´ve suffered through here.

        • abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 8:47 AM

          Yes, Hatcher is healthy and a front office personnel person finally put some resources into the DL & safety positions!

          The one-gap scheme Barry is using is also working great.

          I will point out that we haven’t faced an offensive juggernaut yet so, I think we need to put into perspective when we talk about our defense…

          Of course, there are NO offensive jugernauggt’s in our division this year thanks to Chip Kelly’s stupid trades and the injuries to the Cowboys so that helps us!

        • bangkokben - Sep 22, 2015 at 9:22 AM

          Yep. Not the same defense. The point I was making is that last year’s games against the Giants had MORE to do with the Redskins’ defense than the turnovers. The turnovers simply sealed the deal.

        • Skulb - Sep 22, 2015 at 2:40 PM

          @abanig

          Not sure if there are any offensive juggernauts on the schedule that are any better than New York, with the notable exception of New England. but I´m sure we´ve all pretty much written that one off long a go. Anyway, the Giants did actually score enough points to win their games and were leading into the fourth. Also, never underestimate Eli Manning. He has a way of waking up when it´s time to play us.

        • abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 5:53 PM

          True and when Cruz comes back they won’t have to rely on Parker as their 3rd wr anymore. Giants are always inconsistent though, a lot like the skins you never know what O you’re going to fry.

        • Skulb - Sep 22, 2015 at 7:27 PM

          @abanig

          Unless I am mistaken Parker just got cut. Not sure who will replace him though and Cruz is probably not going to make it for Thursday. Secondary will probably be key for us whoever they dig up. Beckham is a real concern. I guess our best bet is semi decent play in the backfield and relentless pressure on Eli to rattle him as early as possible and never let up.

        • abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 11:16 PM

          Yeah, they cut Parker. Dwayne Harris is now their 3rd wr.

          If I’m Barry, I double Beckham with Culliver & Golston. Then I just play zone on the other 2 receivers & the TE.

  2. mr.moneylover - Sep 22, 2015 at 8:01 AM

    The one thing I dont think giants have experience much of is they defense staying on the field for two quarters last time they got a sample of what we run is against dallas and they was done by the fourth quarter some say they was done late in the third…all redskins gotta do run the system the way they did against the rams and they should win…all the redskins defense gotta do is take Odell Beckham out the game and Eli manning will struggle sound easy but much harder to do…when the falcons shut down odell Beckham the giants offense struggle bad

  3. skinsgame - Sep 22, 2015 at 8:39 AM

    Sooner or later, some team is going to stack the box and force Kirk Cousins to beat them and, my guess is, the Giants will try to do just that. Running out of spreads can work, but eventually, Cousins is going to have let loose and make a defense pay. Of course, if that happens with consistency, then the team is totally formidable and top tier. It could take a while before they’re there but I think we’ll get a progress report on KC’s gamesmanship come Thursday night. On defense, this is the best QB they’ve faced and the pass rush needs to show up.

    • rg3skinsgetsome - Sep 22, 2015 at 12:44 PM

      If you haven’t notice these last two weeks teams are stacking the box, but have had limited success with stoping the run.

  4. sidepull - Sep 22, 2015 at 9:09 AM

    Jordan Reed is going to have his way in NY as long as Cousins can deliver and they can run on NY. If they can run, its going to keep Eli and Odell on the bench. I worry about Odell burning the secondary but not just with catches but PI calls as well. Somebody needs to bump him early knock that kid off his stride. Our secondary is going to get at least 1 Eli pick and this game will not resemble the last Thursday night debacle in NY. Redemption Thursday. Hail!

  5. smotion55 - Sep 22, 2015 at 9:17 AM

    Biggest game for Cousins and this team in 3 years, with Culliver back and Amerson cut this team is much smarter and the focus level is high. My concern is Hall, I saw he played all the snaps on defense so I guess they are trying to get him up to speed and in football shape . Should be a fairly low score and 23 points might win it. Hope for no major injuries and get threw game and get 10 days for Philly. No Balls No Blue Chips

    • abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 10:21 AM

      Breeland should take more of Hall’s snaps. That way Hall doesn’t get overworked.

    • Skulb - Sep 22, 2015 at 7:30 PM

      Thursday is the first game with a full complement of guys in the secondary though so they can probably ease off on Hall if he needs it.

  6. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Sep 22, 2015 at 9:22 AM

    Short week, so it puts an emphasis on coaching…which one can get his team better focused with just four days to prepare?
    ~

    • troylok - Sep 22, 2015 at 2:38 PM

      Coughlin can only get his team focused for three quarters.

  7. mrfubar - Sep 22, 2015 at 10:19 AM

    This is different team than last year. I believe they feel different, are acting &playing different. The new guys have come in and reinvigorated this team. Time will tell, but this team is not the same team we have seen in the past seasons.

    • Skulb - Sep 22, 2015 at 7:33 PM

      I was saying that in July but wasn´t totally sure I wasn´t hallucinating. But the Rams game sold me. They played exactly the same way as against Miami but even more so. And they cleaned up the three most obvious problems from the first game. What´s not to like?

  8. hk2000 - Sep 22, 2015 at 10:28 AM

    The offense looks good- surprisingly!! If Cousins makes some deep throws and avoids interceptions, I think they will be competitive, but if he reverts to 2014 Kirk then all bets are off.

    • Skulb - Sep 22, 2015 at 7:38 PM

      He has played 11 games now, 9 of them as a backup hiding in a corner until Griffin broke something. Whatever has happened in the past happened when nobody was designing plays for him or shaping the offense around him. This has now all changed and they are implementing this offense, and Cousins, very intelligently. Low risk QB play and running the ball FTW. I don´t know if you noticed it, but Cousins had one deep bomb to Grant vs St Louis and it was incomplete. So instead of letting him try and try they reeled him in and went back to the grind. And it´ll be the same every week: one deep throw in the first and if he misses that´s it for the week. If he hits though and there´s points to be had with it you´ll see him go for that twice or quarter until it misses before it´s back to the millstone. I just can´t say enough times how smart this is. It limits the chances Cousins has to make poor judgements and it creates the balance you need between running, short/scramble, intermediate and long threats.
      It´s the perfect plan for this team. All they need to do now is execute it.

      • abanig - Sep 22, 2015 at 11:11 PM

        Cousins downfield passing has been awful! He missed Djax week 1 on a deep pass when Djax hurt his hammy. He threw an int week 1 when he was forcing a jump ball to Garçon.

        Cousins missed Grant on the deep pass last week. He threw a check down too early in the game and missed Garçon who ended up wide open for a TD last week. He also threw way behind Grant on a crossing pattern. Grant had to stop his route, if Cousins has led him and Grant catches the pass in stride, Grant probably scores there.

        So, that’s 4 probable tds that Cousins missed.

        So, let’s be honest here, all of our qbs play well enough to win when the offense is rushing for near 200 yards and the defense holds the opponent to 10 points.

        I like what cousins has done, but he still hasn’t proven anything. He has yet to lead this team to a victory where he had to do the bulk of the work or had to bring the team back after being down by a FG or TD.

        • Skulb - Sep 23, 2015 at 6:34 AM

          The ball to D Jax was good and would have been caught without the injury. If you can´t tolerate one or two mistakes pr game you´ll never be satisfied with any QB and this conversation is pointless.
          He does a million things right in every game, runs the offense with tempo and is responsible for much of the yardage after the catch because he throws his passes at the perfect moments. But you neither see or care about any of that. I get it.Your football analysis consists of counting interceptions and incompletion, and blame all of them on Cousins by default

        • abanig - Sep 23, 2015 at 7:23 AM

          The only way Djax was going to catch that pass even without injury was if he dove at the end. It was a few yards too deep and was a lot like a RG3 deep ball where he didn’t put enough air under it to allow the WR to just go run under it.

          I’m not even mad, Cousins has played at a C to B level in both games.

          I’m just merely pointing out that he hasn’t been very accurate 20+ yards downfield and if he had been we would probably have had 10 more points in the Miami game – at the least and 17 to 21 more points in the Rams game.

          The issues Cousins has though I believe he will correct this season as he gets more game action and more in sync with the receivers downfield. I also see that he’s not being as patient as he should be with routes developing downfield. He’s always done this, he’ll throw passes to early in the play where if he was just a bit more patient with the routes developing 20+ yards downfield, he might find a huge pass play instead of the intermediate pass play. It’s like the only wr Cousins can see and hit on a deep route is Djax because he’s really never hit anyone else on a deep route the past few years.

          Cousins is certainly better than where Griffin was in this offense, but still not quite where we need him to be if we are going to win the division.

  9. Johnny B. - Sep 22, 2015 at 9:40 PM

    Better pray that Gruden stays with the run this game. He got pass happy last year with Cousins. It happens to all young QBs when they are asked to carry the team. Look at luck on Monday night.

    • reeferrenegades - Sep 23, 2015 at 1:48 AM

      Dude, you are trying to troll.. The thing that gives it off most… It’s a Thursday night game… Not Monday. You don’t even know the date, you aren’t a fan of either team… Or football for that matter. Weak!

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