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Need to Know: Redskins unlikely to be in a hurry to resolve QB situation

Aug 31, 2015, 5:25 AM EDT


Here is what you need to know on this Monday, August 31, five days before the Washington Redskins make their final cuts.

Don’t hold your breath

If you haven’t read the column by colleague Tarik El-Bashir on why Jay Gruden should get a starting quarterback named sooner rather than later, go here to read it. Go ahead, I’ll wait, be right here.

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Oh, hi, you’re back.

Here’s the thing–I think Tarik is going to be disappointed. There is absolutely no hurry for the Redskins to take any action on Griffin.

The Redskins will hold relatively light practices on Monday and Tuesday. Tomorrow’s session will come less than 48 hours after the physical game against the Ravens and the next day will be two days out from the final preseason game. The first team offense isn’t going to play so there will really be no need to put Robert Griffin III or Kirk Cousins or, if you like long shots, Colt McCoy in as the “starting” quarterback during practice.

The team will hold its annual welcome home luncheon on Wednesday and the back end of the roster will play the Jaguars on Thursday.

The team has already announced that there will no media availability on Friday or Saturday, as final cuts are made. Sunday is like a no-availability day as the practice squad is finalized. The team has revised its schedule and now will take Monday as its regular day off. So the week will start a week from tomorrow. The will need to have identified a starting quarterback by then.

That’s eight days away.

Maybe the Redskins will move up the timetable to end the speculation and noise. But the probably want to at least wait until Griffin is cleared to play before making a decision public and that can’t happen until Friday at the earliest.

So, with a lack of incentive for the Redskins to hurry, we will wait. It could seem like an eternity.


Today’s schedule: Practice 11:00, Jay Gruden news conference and player availability after practice (approx. 1:00)

—It’s been 246 days since the Redskins played a game. It will be 13 days until they play the Dolphins at FedEx Field.

Days until: Final cuts 5; Rams @ Redskins 20; Redskins @ Giants Thursday night 24

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  1. colorofmyskinz - Aug 31, 2015 at 5:50 AM

    Only reason to bring Griffin back is if they intended to run the read option offense with him running in regular season. My guess is that they have always intended to bring his read option style offense back, but there is no way they would run that during preseason and risk injury.

    The only way RGIII comes back is by pounding out 50-60 yards per game on the ground. Other than that possible speculation, he is done.

    • bowlregard - Aug 31, 2015 at 10:20 AM

      So they can use RG3 the way the Eagles are going to use Tim Tebow.

      • ET - Aug 31, 2015 at 12:45 PM

        Tebow can take the hits, if nothing else.

  2. gonavybeatarmy - Aug 31, 2015 at 6:17 AM

    It sounds like you and Tarik are making different points. You’re saying when a decision must be made based on practical calendar grounds; he’s saying when a decision should be made to suspend the circus. Thanks for reminding everyone that the Welcome Home Luncheon is on Wednesday. Good Lord, the media @%#€ storm that will surround that event will be off the chart.

    Will this team ever just become a normal organization again that doesn’t constantly embarrass itself and create drama? Will it ever stop throwing up on itself? Will it ever just focus on building a winning program like the organization it played Saturday night? This organization has managed to make the Cowboys seem well run and sane on a relative basis. This organization has even managed to quiet the media noise emanating from New England, a case being litigated in federal court.

    Why doesn’t this team accept invitations to do Hard Knocks? Because it seemingly does its own version of Hard Knocks every August.

    At this point I’d prefer that we’re just a very bad team that loses with dignity and class like the Jaguars. Or maybe this entire ordeal is part of the marketing plan of the organization. The Washington Redskins: a marketing organization that just happens to play football…badly.

    • colorofmyskinz - Aug 31, 2015 at 6:28 AM

      And we have SNYDER as the piper master. Snyder is pro lithic with trying to pull of cute little marketing stunts like “All in for game one”. RGIII has always been a marketing tool for Snyder and that’s why he does not want to give up on him. Snyder has forgotten that you actually have to win games for people in fans to want to like a player versus just look cool with arm bands in different colored socks…

      • sidepull - Aug 31, 2015 at 7:49 AM

        Snyder will be on ESPN 30 in 30 one day as they do a feature on RG3. Snyder will be depicted in that as a staunch supporter and the guy who traded all those draft picks. That deal is one for the history books. And the position RG3 has found himself in since Heisman trophy, and 2012 is pretty tough. No saving face if RG3 winds up being a bust. I remember seeing Snyder on TV just about going crazy in 2012 as RG3 scooted down the field like flash gordan. Now, hes dodging the media assault. Didnt work out like he planned unless there is some shift in the news coming out of Ashburnastan and they keep RG3. Stranger things have happened in Asburnastan.

        • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 8:57 AM

          Hey, THAT’S Ashburnistan. Ashburnastan is somewhere else entirely.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 31, 2015 at 7:22 AM

      “Why doesn’t this team accept invitations to do Hard Knocks? Because it seemingly does its own version of Hard Knocks every August.”

      I’m sure there is a 30 on 30 special on the organization in the works.

    • bowlregard - Aug 31, 2015 at 10:21 AM

      This is the NFL. There is no dignity in losing.

  3. mr.moneylover - Aug 31, 2015 at 7:34 AM

    Its not as dysfunctional as it may seem…its the media over hyping things as usual…scot m. Source Told PFT said that everybody is on the same page about rg3 and that they did have a meeting but it wasnt about rg3 it was about key players at certain positions and role players and called the anonymous source spaghetti journalism thats looking for a story….you cant believe an anonymous source who probably dont have no inside connect to bruce allen or scot m. Or dan synder and three sources that do said that report is completely false….I believe it when they say not in a rush to pick a QB they want all the guys healthy and on the practice field before they decide if they wanna change QB

    • gasngo14 - Aug 31, 2015 at 7:43 AM

      I’ll say this… Dianna Ruccini is seldom wrong when it comes to the Skins..

      and the reason they are in no hurry to announce is why tell the DOLPHINS who will be starting at QB in week 1

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 31, 2015 at 8:08 AM

        Did that last statement come from Dianna Ruccini as well? LOL!

        It looks like you are clinging to a bogus story hoping for it to come true. I’ll let Gruden’s upcoming statement dictate the direction of the team while you can continue to hop on some reporter’s rumor who was already wrong once suggesting the team had already decided Cousins to be the week one starter.

        • brucefan1 - Aug 31, 2015 at 8:54 AM

          (Hey, I actually got up early today to join you Peep O’ Day Boys on this latest fiasco! Yawn!!)

          I agree with redskinsname.

          While it looks like ESPN is sticking by last night’s story that there is a split between Snyder and everybody else on the staff, I assume you all know that PFT’s Mike Forio reports that multiple inside sources told him there IS NO disagreement between Snyder and McCloughan — that they are on the same page vis a vis Griffin.

          (But he doesn’t say which side of the issue they are agreeing upon. So that’s still to be revealed. Strangely, he also doesn’t say where he hears Gruden stands on the issue! But do we really need an inside source to figure THAT out? Hehe)

          PFT also said that the long meeting between Danny & Scot recently was over the whole “concussion” snafu, NOT Griffin’s future with the team, as some seemed to surmise.

          (Y’all also heard how Florio’s sources called ESPNs reporting “spaghetti journalism”, right? Throw a bunch a $#%!+ to the wall and see how much sticks! LOL)

          My question of last night still remains the same; Who leaked claims of a Snyder vs. “the Redskins world” if it’s NOT actually the case, and why they would do it? And what would happen if they were found to be the source of any false, damaging allegations? Anybody care to hypothesize?

          Woo-hoo! To me this is better than ANY plot-twister on TV or in the movies today!

        • gasngo14 - Aug 31, 2015 at 12:04 PM

          all i got for you is I told you so!

        • gasngo14 - Aug 31, 2015 at 1:38 PM

          redskinsname …did i just see where Gruden said “it’s kirk’s team” ?

      • Tae - Aug 31, 2015 at 9:03 AM

        Exactly.. Me personally id make it look like kirk… And throw rg3 in with of course great playcalling

    • Trey Gregory - Aug 31, 2015 at 8:58 AM

      I too think the media ran away with this one a bit. I mean, it’s believable because this org is dysfunctional anyway. However, I’m not so sure that I’m buying any of these reports where an anonymous source told an annonomous source that they hear from an annonomous source that an annonomous source said Dan Snyder likes to control things. Just seems silly. The Redskins don’t have to react to a bunch of erroneous reports, nor should they. It may feel like the sky is falling out here when everything is under control in reality. Which is a weird thing to say about the Redskins, I’m just befit so convinced they’re being the idiots in this situation.

    • mr.moneylover - Aug 31, 2015 at 10:46 AM

      If they get rid of rg3 pressure will be on jay gruden to turn this team around sooner rather than later and I doubt he wants that so I think they keep rg3 on the team because I dont think kirk cousins will play enough to keep the job and I agree with lavar Arrington colt mccoy will end up bein the starter sooner then later probably week 4

  4. timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 31, 2015 at 7:56 AM

    It makes zero sense to get rid of RG3. They can drop him at the end of the year and pay nothing or keep him and groom a new guy they draft next year. Cousins contact is up after this year he is not gonna resign unless it is a multiyear deal and he is named the starter. Plus when a team turns the ball over 2 or more times a game they only win 33% of the time. Makes no sense to get rid of him for Cousins.

    • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 31, 2015 at 7:59 AM

      Just heard that Stat on Mike and mike

      • brucefan1 - Aug 31, 2015 at 9:37 AM

        Agreed, Trey.

        Sometimes I like to think that players can choose to stay above the media fray, let the squawkers & squabblers down below peddle their petty little rumors & innuendos — “That doesn’t effect us. We’ll give your inquiries pithy, pat, safe answers, take a shower when we’re done, and then get back to our business. Anybody on the team who revels in the attention, can do so if he wishes. The rest of us choose to ignore it.”

        But I guess human nature may not always work that way, especially in the less-disciplined (i.e., “losers”) locker rooms. But for me, it would be a nice ideal to strive toward!

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 31, 2015 at 8:16 AM

      The only reason may be if the QB situation with RG3 is creating dissension in the locker room. If that is the case and the staff really feels they can’t succeed with him then I can see cutting him now and going with Cousins and McCoy into the season. In some ways I’d prefer that for both parties, that is, if the relationship among the staff, players, and RG3 is not healthy. This would give way to another roster spot to player they’d prefer not cutting.

      However, all this is based on “what ifs’ and as far as I’m concern RG3 is still the staring QB until Gruden announces otherwise.

      • sidepull - Aug 31, 2015 at 8:33 AM

        He made no waves last time he was on the bench.

        • Trey Gregory - Aug 31, 2015 at 11:31 AM

          It doesn’t have to be him personally making waves, just his presence could be enough. If guys don’t like you, they’re not going to like having you around the locker room. I’m also sure Cousins would feel more comfortable with RG3 gone. It just adds pressure to him if he has a bad game and he knows the owner’s boy is waiting in the wind. If they don’t want to start him, then I think the best thing for both parties would be to part ways as soon as possible.

          I personally don’t think RG3 is the kind of guy who would intentionally wreck a locker room because he didn’t get his way. But I think it’s more than likely he has guys in that locker room who don’t want him around and that the team would function better without this dysfunction. There may not be a schism between the coaches and front office, but I think there’s a schism in the locker room. Just look at how different the offense plays when RG3 is on the field.

    • Rich Tandler - Aug 31, 2015 at 8:35 AM

      It makes sense to send RG3 out of town for the simple reason that even if he doesn’t play, he could get injured in practice or in the weight room.

    • sidepull - Aug 31, 2015 at 8:55 AM

      Agree. I mean if he goes and winds up on another team he could really be a big help to some team. I dont know if RG3 gets handed a starter role if he leaves the Redskins. He will have to earn it. More than likely he will back up at first I would think. Look at the Eagles. Who would not take him onthat team over Tebow/Sanchhez any day. Can you imagine having Rg3 coming off the bench? Big mistake I think getting rid of him here but I am just a fan and don’t know whats happening behind closed doors. Though I am against this I will support the decision Scot makes in hopes he is steering this team in the right direction. No sleight to him if Rg3 lights it up somewhere else. It may be that no matter what happens here Rg3 wont realize success until he leaves. Maybe that’s the way forward because he is being raked over the coals by some of the media .

      • brucefan1 - Aug 31, 2015 at 9:42 AM

        Do you know what Scot’s decision will be “sidepull”?

        Also, one report says he’s against Dan, one says he’s WITH Dan ( although it’s not clear in that report what they’re agreeing on). Which do you believe?

      • bowlregard - Aug 31, 2015 at 10:27 AM

        The Eagles would not want RG3. Kelly prizes QBs who can get the ball out quickly.

    • rhinochaserdesign - Aug 31, 2015 at 11:16 AM

      Well, there is the whole $16 MILLION thing. If they cut griffin, they save themselves $16 MILLION dollars. Why pay an inept QB that kind of money. For marketing the team? The tide has turned. People don’t like Griffin. He’s hurting the team both when he’s on the field, and now, off the field. His own teammates don’t even like him. His salary this year is guarenteed for injury only. Meaning, if they play him the first game – Griffin is going to get injured. Again. Maybe out for the season this time. And then they have to pay him.

      The is literally ZERO reason to KEEP griffin. He’s a 100% bust at this point. Move on. Griffin is a cancer on the team. And, using his own words “he just works there.”

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 31, 2015 at 11:22 AM

        The 16 million is Guaranteed for 2016 this if he is injured into or in the 2016 season.

      • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 12:06 PM

        His $6.7M this year is guaranteed whether he’s cut, riding the pine, in bubble wrap, under center, at the super market, etc. The only way some of that money is NOT on the Redskins, is if he is traded.

  5. kenlinkins - Aug 31, 2015 at 8:03 AM

    Rich: I read somewhere that the Redskins MUST wait until RG3 is cleared to play before they can make a roster move (trade or cut) and that doesn’t seem correct? Also, is there a round figure you could give about the locker room support of RG3 (like 40% supports him, 40% doesn’t support, 20% just do not care). I would agree that it makes little sense for the Redskins to shot from the hip without waiting to see if RG3 will (at some point) re-do his contract in order to make a trade easy. You have to think he wants out of DC if even only1/2 of the rumors are true. If I am the Redskins, I just wait until things turn more in my favor over the first half of the season before making a move. RG3’s reaction should be interesting this week. I wonder how long it will be before he starts talking?

    • Rich Tandler - Aug 31, 2015 at 8:33 AM

      A team can’t release an injured player, at least not without an injury settlement. The $16 million options complicated that greatly as does Griffin’s fully guaranteed salary. He will be cleared before the team makes a move.

      Not really sure what the locker room support for RG is. I know they want to win and I think they are in favor of whatever will increase the chances of that happening.

      • brucefan1 - Aug 31, 2015 at 9:24 AM

        Great honest answer.

        No “locker room hatred” talk, no mention of team-wide resentment of any “divas” who run to the owner for succor.

        IMHO, winning is what this whole dust up has always really been about! The failure to follow up on the thrilling promise of 2012. When that didn’t happen, the long knives were surely gonna come out. Some heads have rolled already; Mike, Kyle, Haslett …even Allen was “kicked” upstairs! But the one many wanted the most was GRIFFIN’S!!

        All those little peccadilloes that endeared him to fans THEN, were the same things many HATED now that the Skins weren’t winning. (That’s why I sometimes think, “Watch out Odell Beckham! Your play slips even a little, and YER gonna become the NEXT most hated man in the NFL!”)

        Imho, he coulda pretty much been the same QB that he was in ’13 & ’14, but that would have been acceptable — IF the Skins had just managed to somehow keep winning (or even just staying in contention). But it seems that now we may never get to know that, especially if Gruden gets his way. C’est la vie.

        (Btw, fellers — ya think there’s a chance that Rich might stick around and answer a few more questions as the morning progresses? So far so good, huh?)

        • rhinochaserdesign - Aug 31, 2015 at 11:25 AM

          Griffin’s play didn’t slip ‘just a little.’ He fell off a cliff. And MANY MANY MANY of us continued to give Griffin the benefit of the doubt – even until this season. But it’s blatantly obvious that he has not grown as a QB. Maybe teeny tiny steps in the right direction – but NOWHERE close to being able to compete on the NFL level.

        • TheHogs - Aug 31, 2015 at 12:54 PM

          The falloff has something to do with the fact that, besides Cam Newton in 2011, no other QB in NFL history was as impactful as he was during his rookie season. It’s hard even for HoF QBs to maintain that performance from season to season.

        • brucefan1 - Aug 31, 2015 at 2:56 PM

          Rhino, I was referring to BECKHAM making sure that his play didn’t slip “even a little”, because he is doing things that are antagonizing a lot of observers, but they’re willing to let them pass due his phenomenal rookie season. If he ever becomes “just another guy”, Odell will get ripped from stem to stern for those same antics.

          Robert’s traits on the other hand, were nowhere as affronting as Beckham’s braggadocio & showboating. In fact fans (and players!) EMULATED him; the “III” on the back of his jersey — a first, now so common; the one long undersleeve; the tweets; the Facebook account; the free & easy pressers; even his loud dress socks! At the time, most said “”What a breath of fresh air! This is a NEW kind of QB! It’s nice to hear some guy who doesn’t trot out the same old cliches …etc…etc”.

          But as far as these persistent character attacks go, I am still waiting to hear ONE teammate — past or present (I’m looking at you Ryan Clark — as well as many others) — who have ever said that Griffin was a BAD teammate, that he was a locker room diva, that he was “uncoachable”, that he was selfish, that he was lazy … whatever.

          His ex-coach even goes on the air and says positive things about RG3, when skeptics think he should be TRASHING the guy! (And heck, I STILL can’t even find one reporter who will swear that he KNOWS players who’ve said that to them. RT, how about YOU? Would you care to be the one? RG’s probably gone soon — it’s safe now.)

          No … its always just been rumor, innuendo, planted attacks and character assassination. And of course, LOVING that stuff, some people run with it with glee and spread it like wildfire — whether they have PROOF or not. (see: Tom Brady)

          If you truly want to make this ALL about poor play, rhino, I got zero beef with that. Hard to argue it. He’s been bad, Kirk’s been bad, the whole team’s been bad.

          But me? I wanna make it about the consequences of LOSING, and whose heads roll because of it.

          But, unlike many here, I will never say Griffin should be out because he’s just a rotten guy, a team cancer that needs to be cut out and tossed in the garbage. I believe, actually, that as a person he is JUST the opposite of that! And in all I’ve observed over the last two years, he has not given me good reason to change my mind about that.

        • hk2000 - Sep 1, 2015 at 7:41 PM

          Thank you. Great comment, totally agree, except we’;s bad b/c, IMO, the coach wanted him to be bad.

  6. wvredskins - Aug 31, 2015 at 8:26 AM

    It is time to get rid of RG3 and the sooner the better. IMO they have already made their decision as far as who is their starting QB and imo that is Kirk. RG just brings to much publicity and the sooner we get him out of here the sooner the redskins can focus on football. Shanahan is looking smarter and smarter each day and im sure he is sitting back saying I told you so. We gave up a lot to get RG and I can understand why they wanted to give him one last shot and some might say he didn’t get a fair shot cause he didn’t even play in a game but if Gruden feels that he hasn’t shown the improvements and that Cousins will give the team a better chance to win then Ship him out NOW! Think about it for all the Gruden haters, Gruden has not had a fair shot at running the team the way he has wanted to because of Griffin. Sure Gruden made mistakes last year as a rookie nfl coach but I really like Gruden and finally now he can get the cancer away from the team and I feel now he can get a fair assessment. Get the Drama away from DC and then we can start building for the future! maybe a fresh start somewhere else will do RG good and 2012 was a season I will always remember but the time is now! HTTR

    • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 31, 2015 at 8:59 AM

      Didn’t he try the other guys and had to go back to RG3 due to Cousins being ineffective and McCoy getting hurt. Did he only win 1 game with each QB

      • wvredskins - Aug 31, 2015 at 9:11 AM

        Sure did fella. But did Kirk move the ball better than all three QB’s last year? Yeah he threw some picks and hopefully He corrects that if not then we will be going into next year looking for a QB. IMO he gives the redskins the best chance to score points period.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 31, 2015 at 9:18 AM

          I’ll repeat my earlier comment when a team has 2 or more turnovers a game you only win 33%

      • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 9:24 AM

        Tim, the biggest issue for moving on from Griffin, is his inability to avoid injury because of the $16M option. If he got sacked only twice and hit another 2 times without sustaining the injury against Detroit, then maybe they keep this thing going, but he got pummeled 75% of his pass attempts. A guy who has had THREE concussions in a little more than three seasons is in trouble – especially when one of those concussions is recent. One more beating like that and the Redskins could be on the hook for $16M. Jordan Reed’s rookie concussion basically ended his season and Clinton Portis’ concussion virtually ended his career – he was never the same back after returning the following season. Griffin is now 25; so his risk assessment should be close to fully developed and he is a father. These are factors in considering him in a more “risky” read-option type offense. He may not be as willing to that type of offense and hasn’t shown the ability to foresee collisions. As most athletes see the inevitable collision, they then prepare their bodies to absorb the impact. His body doesn’t seem prepared for the impact. He courageously takes the punishment but with $16M on the line, the team – any team – needs more assurances that their risk isn’t too great. I would love for them to keep or try to trade him after the first game of the season but the team is moving on with or without him.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 31, 2015 at 9:39 AM

          He was blitzed 66% of his snaps vs Detroit. The Oline was Obviously horrible play calling can slow the passing rush. The play action plays have bin cut by half from 2012 to 2014 around 44% to 22%( these aren’t exact #s but close). The pistol , bootlegs, play action, spread, and read option slows the passing rush and gives the QB time . Cousins did nothing playing the Ravens starters. He threw an interception, fumbled, and got a lucky touchdown. He made some bad throws so these moves they’ve bin making and rumored to be making seem to have no Merritt. The play calling has bin suspect.

        • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 10:13 AM

          Tim, let’s suppose everything you just stated is 100% accurate. Then, so what? If you instead changed the play calling percentages you are only minimizing risk, but enough to risk $16M on? As for Colt over Cousins, fair enough. I think Colt runs the offense exactly how they wanted Robert to run it. Cousins allows them the sling it more which is probably not a good idea at this stage of his career.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 31, 2015 at 9:42 AM

          Plus if you are gonna go with someone else why not Colt McCoy instead? He has played better than Cousins in similar situations.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 31, 2015 at 9:50 AM

          One of his concussions was freshman year at Baylor.

        • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 10:18 AM

          True. Good catch.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 31, 2015 at 9:55 AM

          Durability is certainly going to be key in the decision with RG3 moving forward with this team. With a $16 million dollar price tag looming, the concern will be heighten. My overall concern is not only can RG3 keep himself healthy but can the team do it’s part in protecting him? With the contract issue, RG3’s health, and ability of the team to protect him in question; we could be looking at a perfect storm.

        • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 10:18 AM


        • TheHogs - Aug 31, 2015 at 10:11 AM

          You have a valid point about injury issues, but this is the NFL. We don’t need to go over the medical literature about the physicality of this sport. Griffin has also publicly stated his willingness to run several times (in multiple seasons) after the famous Griffin, Jr. quote about Griffin playing more in the pocket.

          And you’re right that Griffin is 25. Most QBs don’t enter their primes until their late 20s.

        • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 10:17 AM

          I believe he’d be perfectly willing to run read-option with spread concepts all day. I also think the team was gearing to move to more of that with him this year. One of the plays he got clobbered on against Detriot was spread with empty backfield. But now the team has to consider worst case scenario. Worst case is they lose him to injury playing an offense that suits him.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 31, 2015 at 10:34 AM

          Why even pick up the option in the first place if you are that worried about him getting hurt. None of it makes sense. Seems most likely that this is spaghetti reporting like PFT reported

        • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 10:57 AM

          Nope. That was the big debate when before they picked up the option. The thought was that from an offseason and year two in the offense and bolstering the o-line that Griffin would make enough strides to minimize risk. If Griffin finishes the game without injury the plan is likely in place.

        • TheHogs - Aug 31, 2015 at 10:38 AM

          Every QB in the league can get injured playing in an offense that suits him. Again, this is the NFL.

          Better for the Redskins to just say, “We don’t like Griffin” and cut him than to provide these reasons for cutting him. Cap room space? Since when have the Redskins demonstrated any ability to consistently spend money wisely?

        • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 10:58 AM

          There has been a recent track record – including this move.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 31, 2015 at 10:38 AM

          Bang everything I wrote is 100% correct except weather the rumours have Merritt that is my opinion

        • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 11:00 AM

          Again, supposing what you say is true, how does that change the risk? He got hit running the spread and he got sacked in play action. Even if NONE of it is Griffin’s fault that doesn’t change the fact that he got hit and didn’t finish the game uninjured.

        • TheHogs - Aug 31, 2015 at 11:03 AM

          No. You need to show that the Redskins’ money spending has translated to consistent success. Can you, bangkokben?

        • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 11:13 AM

          Of course not? The redskins aren’t winning. NOTHING has shown success whether it’s spending frugally or spending like the Federal Government.

          That doesn’t mean you take a chance with more than %10 of next year’s cap because you’ve been irresponsible in the past.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 31, 2015 at 11:16 AM

          You do realize this is football and there is always a risk of injury? I’m sure they knew this before signing the extension. I’m saying play to the guys strengths and slow the passing rush and you will get better results. Like I’ve said before who is gonna believe a play action when it’s an obvious passing down. I’ve given examples of calls and we have even seen them use an example I’ve given you to success with Cousins in the Ravens game. Plays Calling is a Major Issue

        • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 11:21 AM

          Tim, play calling IS an issue – an issue for whoever is the starting quarterback. It doesn’t change anything about what to do with Griffin.

        • TheHogs - Aug 31, 2015 at 11:28 AM

          Is that a chance you’re willing to take and accept given the Redskins’ decades-long failure at spending money wisely? And before you say Scot McCloughan, keep in mind we’ve said this over and over again about other “football people” who have achieved success elsewhere.

        • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 11:53 AM

          It’s not up to me. If it’s up to me, I start Griffin week two against the Rams or trade him to one of the two (plus or minus one) teams that lose their starters the first week of the season.

          Sure, we said some things about Joe Gibbs and Mike Shanahan (football coachs) but the perspective of a coach is different than a the perspective of GM.

        • TheHogs - Aug 31, 2015 at 12:14 PM

          Shanahan was way more than a football coach when he was employed by the Redskins.

          Gibbs is perhaps the only exception to the rule here, and, unlike McCloughan, he has proven that he can succeed in a dysfunctional Redskins franchise. McCloughan has not.

        • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 12:31 PM

          McCloughan has so far proved that he can, although the jury is still out. Like it or not, Griffin is part of that dysfunction. You can place blame wherever you want but he is part of that dysfunction and that is why cutting him outright is on the table.

        • TheHogs - Aug 31, 2015 at 12:39 PM

          Since Griffin was drafted in 2012 and played with the Redskins:

          Redskins in games when Griffin plays a full start: 13-22
          Redskins in games when Griffin doesn’t play a full start: 3-9

          I mean, you might as well cut everyone else.

        • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 1:05 PM

          C’mon man. So, based on that you’re predicting a 4-12 record while with Griffin you’re foreseeing a 6-10 record? For what purpose?

          Look all Griffin fans are grieving. I get it. The best for all of us who are also Redskin fans is to move on. We still have the rest of the team. Take all the time you need. Vent all the frustration you must and try to enjoy any measure of success this franchise has.

        • TheHogs - Aug 31, 2015 at 1:29 PM

          No, I’m merely helping you to correct the logic flaws that you fail to address. If Griffin the cause of part of the dysfunction, and I provide actual, concrete evidence that the Redskins acheive less success when Griffin *is not even playing*, then what does that say about the apparent cause of dysfunction you identified?

        • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 1:35 PM

          I never said that he was THE CAUSE of dysfunction. He is simply a part of the ongoing dysfunction that has existed well before he got here and will likely continue as long as he is part of the organization. Winning with him on the team, there will be drama. Losing with him on the team, there will be drama. Without him on the team, there will be drama – but of a different variety.

        • TheHogs - Aug 31, 2015 at 1:59 PM

          So, Griffin is a part, but not a cause, of dysfunction…and because of that, the Redskins are considering cutting him? This is incoherent.

          Your argument based on injuries and the salary cap made much more sense that what you’re posting here.

        • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 2:21 PM

          You brought up the dysfunction of the organization. The dysfunction is a factor not the sole reason for cutting him. If there was no dysfunction the salary cap and injury issues alone probably keep the POSSIBILITY of cutting him off the table, maybe not. BUT factor in the dysfunction of the organization ALONG WITH the drama that follows Griffin AND a GM trying to change the culture WITH the salary cap consequences IF Griffin is injured with Griffin’s inability to avoid vicious hits AND that makes the POSSIBILITY of cutting ties with Griffin a real legitimate possibility.

    • TheHogs - Aug 31, 2015 at 10:04 AM

      Yes, the Redskins can focus on football by cutting Griffin. They can focus on things like being 3-9 in games in which Griffin doesn’t play (2-6 under Gruden and with Griffin on the bench), the Redskins winning less games under Shanahan than Zorn before Griffin was drafted, having only seven above-.500 seasons since 1991, making the playoffs only five times since 1991, winning the division only twice since 1991…yes, they can focus on that football.

      • bowlregard - Aug 31, 2015 at 10:32 AM

        This kind of analysis ignores a host of changes that have been made, especially since McCloughan came on board.

        • TheHogs - Aug 31, 2015 at 11:00 AM

          No, it doesn’t. It points to a simple fact that that Griffin has not been the *cause* for the Redskins being a crappy team. Some fans play the scapegoat game whenever the Redskins fail to win, only to see history strangely repeat itself.

      • rhinochaserdesign - Aug 31, 2015 at 11:31 AM

        Wait – are you RG3? Because all the excuses and not taking any responsibility for failure is your hallmark. Excuse after excuse after excuse. Never griffins fault. It’s everyone else.

        Good analysis. You must be blind if you can’t see that both Cousins and McCoy both give this team a better chance to win.

        • TheHogs - Aug 31, 2015 at 11:47 AM

          Since Griffin was drafted in 2012 and played with the Redskins:

          Redskins in games when Griffin plays a full start: 13-22
          Redskins in games when Griffin doesn’t play a full start: 3-9

          Let’s define a full start as a game in which Griffin takes the vast majority of snaps. I also used wins to keep things simple.

          You can dislike Griffin all you want, but fans acting like it’s unicorns and daffodills when the meddling Griffin is not messing up their team are lying to themselves. The Redskins haven’t done squat.

        • Skulb - Aug 31, 2015 at 2:25 PM

          He´s 5-20 the last two seasons though, which is even worse than 3-9 statistically. It´s not about disliking Griffin. It´s about him playing really poorly for a while.

        • TheHogs - Aug 31, 2015 at 2:42 PM

          I include the good with the bad. Doing otherwise isn’t objective; you can’t pretend 2012 didn’t exist any more than the other seasons. Cousins, McCoy, etc. never had the success Griffin had when Griffin was successful.

          If you want to zero in on Griffin, you had better do the same thing for the rest of the team; unless you think a 3-9 record with Griffin in the bench is acceptable.

        • Skulb - Aug 31, 2015 at 7:05 PM

          Well no, but in a different system, under a different coach and mostly with a completely different team. This is not the same player who played in 2012 either; and given that the system has changed we will probably never see that player again. That´s why his 2012 stats now serve exclusively to muddle the issue. Remove them and you will immediately notice that Griffin is in fact the worst QB on the team and has been for more than a year. That´s the actual problem here, because insisting on playing him despite this reality effectively exempts Griffin from the professional standards all his team mates are subject to.
          The reason he now needs to be cut is firstly that you can´t play him this season because of his ridiculous contract clause, and secondly because there will be a loud chorus of complaints from confused Griffin supporters (Not Redskins supporters) if Cousins throws so much as a single interception, which will distract everyone and effectively cause another QB controversy. The best way forward for the team is therefore to go 100% with Cousins now and to end things with Griffin. If Cousins works out you sign him for a proper QB contract next year. If he doesn´t you go looking for a better option for 2016. Either way it´s not going to be Griffin, who has amply proven that he can´t play for Gruden, whatever the reason is.

        • TheHogs - Aug 31, 2015 at 8:45 PM

          Skulb posted: “This is not the same player who played in 2012 either…”

          *No* player in the league is the same player that he was in 2012. That does *NOT* mean disregard what a player did in previous seasons. It is useful data, and that data is used to build models and make predictions.

          “Well no, but in a different system, under a different coach and mostly with a completely different team…given that the system has changed we will probably never see that player again.”

          This is a curious statement, especially when you say this later in your post:

          “Remove [the 2012 stats] and you will immediately notice that Griffin is in fact the worst QB on the team and has been for more than a year.”

          Here’s how sports work: you look at a player, evaluate his inherent skills, put that player in an environment in which he can maximize the use of his inherent skills, then select the player whose maximized use of inherent skills best helps your team to win. So, how is it a “fact” that Griffin is “the worst QB on the team” when you *just admitted * that the system he supposedly thrives in has changed? You cannot appeal to context in the former statement, then fail to apply context in the latter.

          There’s also several other problems with saying that it is a “fact” that Griffin is “the worst QB on the team”; chiefly the lack of sufficient sample sizes. There’s no way that one can use a meager sample of 5 and 7 starts (the number of full games by Cousins and Griffin in 2014, respectively) to compare the QBs moving forward; it is folly that has been shown in football analysis.

          “…and has been for more than a year.”

          Since this is a statement that looks back at performance, let’s compare using adjusted net yards per attempt index (the best publicly avaliable QB stat):

          From 2013 season through 2014 season:

          Griffin: 92
          Cousins: 92


          “That´s the actual problem here, because insisting on playing him despite this reality effectively exempts Griffin from the professional standards all his team mates are subject to.”

          Griffin is *not held to the same professional standards* as his teammates. He is a QB, which is the most important position on the field. It is also the hardest position to analyze and replace with good players.

          For all of these (and other) reasons, you cannot make a valid comparison between Griffin (or Cousins, or McCoy) and his teammates.

          I just had to laugh out loud at this absurdity:

          “The reason he now needs to be cut is…secondly because there will be a loud chorus of complaints from confused Griffin supporters (Not Redskins supporters) if Cousins throws so much as a single interception, which will distract everyone and effectively cause another QB controversy.”

          The injury and contract issues are valid arguments to address, but as for the second reason: are you daft, or naive? Or both? Did you forget what town and football team you’re talking about? *Plenty* of Redskins supporters will not be happy if Cousins fails to perform.

          Not only that, it’s interesting how Griffin, a former #2 overall pick, one of the best draft prospects in recent memory, a former MVP candidate, and a former RoY, can’t even play *HALF A SEASON’S* worth of starts in a new system without you eagerly wanting him to be cut and replaced by another QB; but a 4th-round pick who has not proven anything in the NFL in Cousins should be allowed to play this season without any pressure of QB competition or being benched by Griffin. For someone who was crying about “professional standards”, you can’t even apply your own standards consistently.

        • Skulb - Aug 31, 2015 at 9:10 PM

          Too long man,. I haven´t seen you make a lick of sense yet and am not reading this condescending wall of dribble. Give me the shorthand and I´ll respond.

        • TheHogs - Aug 31, 2015 at 9:21 PM

          You read everything else on this blog.

        • brucefan1 - Aug 31, 2015 at 9:50 PM

          Haha! TheHogs — kickin’ arse & takin’ names!! Great, thorough, point-by-point arguments!

          Wow! I have never heard anyone who wasn’t a dunce actually admit that a post was too long to read. (That sounds a lot like a dude who was taking a beating so he simply shut down, no?)

          But if your post being too long actually WAS “precisely” the reason for someone not reading it (welcome to “Short Attention Span Theater”, right?), you’re just gonna hafta to dumb it down for them. You know; shorter paragraphs, shorter sentences, shorter words. No “complex” concepts or syntax; they just can’t handle it!

          Wait, did I say “dumb” it down?

          Heck, I think in this case you’re gonna hafta go even lower; you’re gonna hafta “skulb” it down!

        • Skulb - Aug 31, 2015 at 10:45 PM

          Oh yes the bandwagon comes at last! I was wondering where you were at. Anyway, I refuse to read a wall of text from someone who never has anything intelligent to say, and not because I have trouble reading. Now please go back to your imbecilic back slapping and leave me in peace unless you have something sensible to contribute.

        • TheHogs - Aug 31, 2015 at 10:54 PM

          Skulb posted: “Anyway, I refuse to read a wall of text from someone who never has anything intelligent to say…Now please go back to your imbecilic back slapping and leave me in peace unless you have something sensible to contribute.”

          This is an embarassing display from you, Skulb.

  7. murphsman - Aug 31, 2015 at 8:27 AM

    First of all, is Colt gonna play the entire game Thursday, then? Secondly, since the starters rarely play in the fourth game, Rich, do you share the opinion of a lot of people that 4 ps games are too many?

  8. redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 31, 2015 at 8:48 AM

    I think whats lost in all this is how good Colt McCoy performed albeit with the least talent of the Ravens defense. He may be our best red zone QB right now.

  9. timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 31, 2015 at 9:46 AM

    As a Season Ticket Holder I get the Official Announcement before it is released so I will wait for that

    • gasngo14 - Aug 31, 2015 at 1:40 PM

      did you get it?

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  11. Skulb - Aug 31, 2015 at 9:54 AM

    So if you can´t trade him do you cut him and take the hit or bench him, bubble wrap him and wait this out? It seems to me that playing Griffin at all with this contract is the worst possible thing to do. Maybe even a training ban just to prevent injury right? This whole thing is just circling the drain I think. Maybe quitting cold turkey would the best for everyone.

    • bowlregard - Aug 31, 2015 at 10:35 AM

      Maybe they put is like this to Griffin. Let’s void the 16M option now, the team will take a chance on having to franchise him next year, or else they have to let him go and he only gets paid his 2015 guaranteed money.

      • bowlregard - Aug 31, 2015 at 10:35 AM

        Because after the concussion they’re afraid to play him.

    • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 10:36 AM

      It may be the best for everyone but the team needs to do what’s best for the team. The cons against cutting him are:

      1) $6.7M cap hit for someone likely playing elsewhere – perhaps holding a clipboard in your own division.
      2) The media s storm that rehashes Griffins tenure in Washington – forever being held up as the worst trade ever.
      3) The outcry by the Griffin supporters (many of which are casual fans) that turn against the team.
      4) The possibility that he could succeed somewhere else with zero compensation.
      5) The St. Louis Rams bringing out their sorry bunch of ‘compensation’ in week two (Oh, how I had hoped for Griffin to play and play well against those sons of bicthes.
      6) The owner’s unpredictable wrath especially if #4 becomes a reality.
      7) An injury to Kirk Cousins or Colt McCoy

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 31, 2015 at 10:52 AM

        Where do you get that most of RG3s fans are casual fans? I would say that more about Cousins/McCoy fans because RG3 fans aren’t flip flopers who give up on a guy after only 2 losing seasons. A casual fan is usually the ban wagon jumper who jumped from RG3 to others. The ones who stuck by him show more commitment than a casual fan

        • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 11:02 AM

          Did I say most? No. I said many. Griffin has large support, if 49% of his fans are casual that is still a boat load of fans.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 31, 2015 at 11:07 AM

          Like I said a casual fan gives up on people easily that points to the Cousins/McCoy fans An Actual fan will stick with someone/team through thick and thin

        • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 11:24 AM

          Tim, are you a casual fan? No. Are you turning against the team? You’re just voicing your disappointment. But, do you REALLY think that there aren’t any Griffin supporters that won’t turn against the team?

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 31, 2015 at 11:47 AM

          Check bellow I hit the wrong reply

      • Skulb - Aug 31, 2015 at 11:23 AM

        Some good point there. I couldn´t care less about the Rams though. Nobody twisted Snyder´s arm to make him do the trade. If I were on their side of it I might struggle to not gloat right now too.

        • TheHogs - Aug 31, 2015 at 11:31 AM

          The Rams have been mediocre cellar-dwellers since the trade. Gloating is not exactly something they should be doing.

        • Skulb - Aug 31, 2015 at 11:53 AM

          They were 2-14 in 2011 and have been 7-8-1. 7-9 and 6 -10 since. At least they´ve been stable slightly below 500, and the team clearly has some potential. Compared to Washington´s recent 3-13 and 4-12 seasons it looks pretty good to me.

        • TheHogs - Aug 31, 2015 at 12:07 PM

          Yes, compared to the *Redskins*. But gloating about “potential”, just being mediocre, and not making the playoffs in a parity-driven league isn’t something to brag about. For a team that got a “king’s ransom” for Griffin, that’s not exactly success.

        • Skulb - Aug 31, 2015 at 12:30 PM

          Obviously not. Still, a marked improvement after the trade. I´d also suggest you look at the division St Louis are playing in there. Hands up those who thinks the Redskins would have won the division in 2012 if it had included SF, Seattle and Arizona!

        • TheHogs - Aug 31, 2015 at 12:46 PM

          Sure, but they don’t play in another division, and knowing the nature of fans, they’re not going to be satisfied if the trade doesn’t help them acheive more success than around .500 records. You know this.

        • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 12:46 PM

          Marked improvement? No. Baby steps. Below is their 1st rounders since 2008, Ten first rounders in eight years including four in the top two and they can boast what? That they didn’t take Griffin to go along with Long, Smith, Bradford, and Robinison? Whopdee Doo!

          2008 2 Chris Long DE Virginia
          2009 2 Jason Smith OT Baylor
          2010 1 Sam Bradford* QB Oklahoma
          2011 14 Robert Quinn DE UNC
          2012 14 Michael Brockers DT LSU
          2013 8 Tavon Austin WR West Virginia
          30 Alec Ogletree LB Georgia
          2014 2 Greg Robinson OT Auburn
          13 Aaron Donald DT Pittsburgh
          2015 10 Todd Gurley RB Georgia

        • TheHogs - Aug 31, 2015 at 1:06 PM

          Listing draft picks does nothing to prove your point. If the picks do not translate into actual success (like a playoff birth, for starters), then it is meaningless.

          “Baby steps”, “potential”; it doesn’t matter what you call it, their fans aren’t accepting that.

        • Skulb - Aug 31, 2015 at 1:42 PM

          Look, 2-14 to 7-9 fits my definition of marked improvement.

        • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 1:58 PM

          Skulb, the Rams haven’t had a winning season since 2003 and have had EIGHT losing seasons in a row. They were 7-9 the year before they were 2-14 so yo-yoing back to seven wins is hardly success but more of the same or a return to the mean. Moreover each of the years since the trade, they actually have a worse record. Their best season was the 3rd place finish in the year of the trade (7-8-1) when they still hadn’t used all their picks. Since then (7-9) followed by (6-10) – both last place finishes within their tough division. Meanwhile Arizona without the same resources, climbed out of the cellar with double digit wins. The Rams gloating ludicrous on all levels.

        • Skulb - Aug 31, 2015 at 2:10 PM

          Why am I getting these long rants. it´s marked improvement whether you like it or not. I never said they were great or SB contenders here. Just read the words I am writing and not your convoluted version of them.

        • TheHogs - Aug 31, 2015 at 2:20 PM

          The issue isn’t whether or not an improvement took place. The issue is gloating over the trade. And, for all of the Redskins’ issues, they at least made the playoffs once with a chance to compete for the Super Bowl. The Rams have been sitting at home since 2012, and they’ll keep doing that if their draft picks don’t translate into success.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 31, 2015 at 2:38 PM

          I think the only point maid here about the Rams to gloat about is they go more players than we did for the trade. Ouch! They really got us there!

      • rhinochaserdesign - Aug 31, 2015 at 11:38 AM

        There is ZERO possibility of Griffin succeeding in this league. Period. No matter where he is. I would welcome our rivals to take him. He’s a cancer.

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 31, 2015 at 11:45 AM

        Bang What I’m saying is the Casual fan already flip flopped. You would have bin better off to write some of RG3’s fans would move to his new team since they were only his fans. Agree to disagree about a casual fan

        • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 11:54 AM

          Not the casual Redskin fan, the casual Griffin fan. Many of Griffin’s fans are casual Redskin fans.

        • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 11:59 AM

          The point is that some who call themselves Redskin fans, remember 2012 and Griffin’s magic but have hardly followed the team since then. What they remember is that Griffin was the only reason the Redskins won the division but only follow the team when they win. I, for instance, consider myself a Nats fan, but admittedly only follow them when they win. I’m disappointed when they lose but I save my passion for the Redskins.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 31, 2015 at 12:06 PM

          And I thought I was the only person that loves misery enough to follow both the Nats and Redskins.

      • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 1:07 PM

        8) Immediate failure will turn the fans against the GM.

        • kenlinkins - Aug 31, 2015 at 1:39 PM

          Now THAT has been my main concern from day one. We Redskins fans are not known for our long term out look where winning is concerned. Many wanted to dump Gibbs when he was 0-5 and 1-6 his first year. Our pitch forks and torches are always at the ready if the Redskins lose three in a row.

        • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 1:42 PM

          With Griffin at the helm, he and/or Gruden would’ve taken the heat if the team was failing. With Kirk there, the GM just put himself on the hot seat next to Gruden.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 31, 2015 at 7:15 PM

          The GM didn’t put himself on the hot seat Gruden said it was his decision the GM just let him hang himself

  12. redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 31, 2015 at 11:24 AM

    It looks like there is more solid reporting coming out. RG3 won’t take the concussion test until next week. The timing on the concussion test seems peculiar due how far out it is scheduled, or it could just be everyone taking extra precaution with the process due to last week’s mishap.

    Regardless, Cousins will get the start and he’ll have his hands full with an improving dolphins defense.

    • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 12:02 PM

      That Dolphins defense looked good against Atlanta’s first team.

  13. redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 31, 2015 at 12:10 PM

    I’ll be at the game but I don’t hold high hopes for success since I’m sure the Dolphins can repeat that defensive performance against the Redskins, regardless who is at QB. I think progress will come slowly with the line this season but I’m happy with the choices they have made on the right side.

  14. kenlinkins - Aug 31, 2015 at 12:26 PM

    Rich: here is my list of first cuts, let me know where you think I might be wrong. Galette to IR, CB Wolfe, DL Robertson, G Quigley, K Long, LB Davis, LB Harold, RB Brown, OT Smith, TE Williams, WR Locket, WR Jones, CB Hasson, DL Thomas, C/G Larson.

    • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 12:38 PM

      Ken, I know this if for Rich but you haven’t minded my input in the past. I tried to do the same thing but got lost in how many of what position, etc. My only knee jerk difference, is that I think Willie Smith makes it past the 1st cut. Completely agree about Mack Brown, Tony Jones, and Collin Locket as well as Galette to IR. I think it may be wise to save the kicker til the end so Kai doesn’t have kick the last game.

      • kenlinkins - Aug 31, 2015 at 12:45 PM

        I always welcome comments, Feel free anytime….

        • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 12:49 PM

          Thanks, I know you do. Some others have taken offense when I respond to your questions to Rich. Even though I agree with you about 50% of the time, you are always gracious.

      • princewilks - Aug 31, 2015 at 12:47 PM

        Those cuts have not been officially anounced yet, but according to a Redskins Pulse article from CSN Washington; those players on your list were missing from practice today.

        • kenlinkins - Aug 31, 2015 at 12:59 PM

          Prince, I just double checked with my friend that forwarded the sheet and he admitted the sheet came from a story that Takik posted. So, no real inside stuff. Sorry about that.

    • kenlinkins - Aug 31, 2015 at 12:43 PM

      If the CUT SHEET I just saw is correct 14 or 15 moves have happened and only 1 WR of 10 on roster cut, 0 DL of 12 cut, 2 OL of 15 cut, 4 CB of 11 cut, 0 S of 6 cut, 2 LB of 14 cut, and 3 TE’s of 7 cut plus one kicker and Galette to IR.

  15. mjthomas85 - Aug 31, 2015 at 12:35 PM


    Now that the Redskins have announced Cousins as the starter, it looks like there is a good chance that the team wants to trade RG3 to avoid potential cap issues from his injury. However, with the 5th year option in play, trading RG3 could be very difficult. What do you think would need to happen for the Redskins to find a trade partner that provides them with some sort of reasonable compensation for RG3 (i.e. maybe a 3rd with potential for more)?

    For example, would the Redskins, RG3, and a potential suitor need to workout the terms of a new contract in advance of the trade for this to get done? Alternatively, RG3 clearly needs a new start with a different team. Do you think he and his agent would be willing to sign a new low base-high potential contract to help him become more desirable to other teams?

    • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 12:56 PM

      Apologies for answering, but it goes…

      There is zero chance of a third. This is the equivalent of a yard sale where parting with a nice big bed for a quarter is better than driving it to the thrift store.

      • mjthomas85 - Aug 31, 2015 at 1:12 PM

        Great analogy!

        With the 5th year option getting in the way, do you think the Redskins will have to workout a new contract with RG3 in order to move him and avoid the $6.7 million cap hit associated with letting him go? If we are moving on, then we should try to get it done before he takes up a spot on the 53 man roster that could go to someone else.

        • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 1:27 PM

          I don’t know the answer. Here’s an article from Rich on CSN The cost of moving on from RG3

          Here’s my assessment.

          Griffin would have to waive the option – not sure if he can and why would he lose that security if there is a team that is willing to take that on? He’s a proud guy and might waive it – again if he can – to save face by not getting cut. However, if he does get cut, there will likely be several teams that would bid for his services. Of course, the ‘skins don’t have cut him and could keep and place him on the inactives every game day until the market rises or deactivate him – which seems like a jerk move although it may be shrewd.

        • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 1:29 PM

          Here’s the Tandler link:

      • mjthomas85 - Aug 31, 2015 at 2:30 PM

        Thanks for the link.

    • kenlinkins - Aug 31, 2015 at 1:22 PM

      If I was RG3 I wouldn’t touch the contract. I would force the Redskins to cut me and to pay the $3.2 million they owe me ( and take the $6.7 million Cap it). There is no real benefit to RG3 to change the contract. The only benefit is to the Redskins. If the Redskins cut RG3 some team with QB problems will take a chance on him before the year is out. All RG3 has to do is sit there and keep his mouth shut and wait out the storm. He will have $3.2 million in his pocket, the $16 million risk will be gone, the Redskins will get nothing for him, he will play for another team for about $1.5 million in 2015 and still be a free agent in 2016 (unless he wins the Super Bowl and the new team places the F tag on him and he makes $19 million in 2016). Right now he holds all the cards, why change a thing?

      • mjthomas85 - Aug 31, 2015 at 2:28 PM

        The only issue for RG3 with waiting and forcing the Redskins to cut him is that he could be inactive all year. Would RG3 be okay with sitting on the bench all year if there is an opportunity for him to compete for a spot on another team? I don’t know. Do you?

        Let’s say for example that a team tells his agent that they will give the Redskins a 4th round pick (or 5th, 6th, etc.) for RG3, if they can get rid of the 5th year option. If RG3 really wants to play, and the Redskins want to trade him, then they could all come to some agreement that works out well for both sides.

        I think two issues need to be addressed: 1) How much does RG3 want to play this year? 2) How willing are the Redskins to let RG3 take up a roster spot on the team and do nothing?

        • kenlinkins - Aug 31, 2015 at 2:39 PM

          Well, if you believe Coach Gruden today, there is no QB situation. Cousins is the starter, McCoy number 2 on the depth chart and RG3 waiting to be cleared to play. I wonder if this is going to turn into a game of chicken between RG3 and the Redskins to see who blinks first. Maybe the Redskins are less concerned about the $16 million risk of injury then we all think, it didn’t seem to concern them when they handed it to him, what has changed? (well, other than the fact RG3 didn’t progress, got hurt, had a few back handed comments,

        • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 2:50 PM


          I think what everyone is missing here is how good both Kirk Cousins and Colt McCoy have looked. Colt has played very well. Suppose he looked like rubbish? Do you think there would be any trade talks then? No way. Had McCoy looked like Robert – he did take an awful lot of sacks last year as well – Griffin would’ve simply been demoted with the hope that they don’t need to use him.

        • brucefan1 - Aug 31, 2015 at 3:17 PM

          Hey Ken & mjthomas85, did you notice how all these machinations about burying Griffin on the bench; trying to get him to coerce him into giving up his option; forcing the Skins to cut him; pull off “jerk moves” (I like that one!);scheme; plot; connive …. REALLY clears up their RG3 distraction, helps them clear away all his dysfunction, and allows the Redskins to move on freely to the next phase of their development??

          Or not.

        • kenlinkins - Aug 31, 2015 at 5:03 PM

          BANG, I agree that Cousins and McCoy both look like they are ready for the next step. (feel free to insert “but they played against 2nd teams if you must guys, it get that) It would have been nice to see RG3 play against 2nd stringers just to see how he measured up. My statements on Cousins and McCoy are more about form than anything else, they both look like pro QB’s to me. BRUCEFAN: at this time nothing is clear to me about RG3, as someone who has been around football for 50 some years I have never seen anything like this. If you had told most Redskins fans 3 weeks ago that “before Sept 1, most NFL insiders believe that RG3 will be cut”…… they would have called you nuts……. and rightly so (IMHO)…..

  16. redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 31, 2015 at 1:09 PM

    Gruden made if official about Cousins being the starter for 2015. The biggest surprise I found is how Gruden handled the questions from the reporters. It’s the best job I’ve seen from him at this point in managing some difficult questions. I have little doubt that Cousins was always Gruden’s guy. While I do feel he was mostly genuine in his responses, he also seemed quite relieved while only a tad nervous. Again, RG3s future may have been sealed as soon as the team chose to hire this coach for a 5 year guaranteed contract. I don’t agree with it as a fan but he is the coach and has a right to choose what players start.

    I’m backing Cousins 100% as a starter and will be patient in his opportunity to succeed. I don’t expect Joe Montana but he needs to be sure his performance doesn’t put any games in jeopardy.

    • gasngo14 - Aug 31, 2015 at 1:47 PM

      did i see where gruden said ” it’s kirk’s team” ?

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 31, 2015 at 1:50 PM

        troll somewhere else

        • gasngo14 - Aug 31, 2015 at 2:34 PM

          What you can dish it out but can’t take it? FINE don’t attack me again and all will be good….understand?

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 31, 2015 at 2:47 PM

          My comment was clearly a demonstration of support for Cousins and for a coach I’m hardly giddy about. Why even ask about Gruden stating if “it’s Kirk’s team” when it’s apparent I’ve already expressed support for him as the starter?

  17. timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 31, 2015 at 1:18 PM

    Looks like Gruden thinks we are gonna play backups all year

    • dkat44 - Aug 31, 2015 at 2:08 PM

      Pretty sure Kirk started against the Ravens and looked good. I just don’t understand how some are so blinded by Griffin love and cannot see that Cousins deserves to start in this offense. I wanted Griffin to work so badly but have come to terms with the fact Cousins will be the better option. Why is it so hard to be optimistic about Cousins and his issues in his very brief time as starter. Griffin does not run this offense better than Kirk. It isn’t 2012 anymore. He doesn’t trust his receivers and holds the ball until he is comfortable which is usually too late. We can blame the line, his injuries, the coach or his inexperience but Kirk is playing better with what we have and deserves the full opportunity to prove it. Starting Griffin week 1 against Miami was frightening to me and doubt he would make it through the entire game without getting carted off the field. Kirk has shown some positive upside so lets have some faith he will improve on ball protection.

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 31, 2015 at 2:54 PM

        Cousins got an interception, fumbled the ball, and got a lucky touchdown against the Ravens starters. I don’t understand why people think he played good the Ravens Pulled their starters after the lucky touchdown. Anything else was against backups

        • mjthomas85 - Aug 31, 2015 at 3:13 PM

          I agree with you. Cousins did not look that impressive against the Ravens. Quite frankly, he seemed just as bad as RG3 playing out there even with Trent Williams at left tackle. In all honesty, McCoy is probably the best QB on the team. Unfortunately, you know that McCoy is a journeyman QB, but there is still hope that Cousins can be something more. Right now, it seems pretty likely that we are going to be drafting a QB next year.

          As for RG3, I really hoped it would work out, but it doesn’t look like it will. He never got over injuries and hasn’t been able to adapt to being a pure pocket passer, which takes time. If they Redskins are lucky, they can get something for him in a trade, but RG3 holds more power than they do in a game of chicken.

          What do you think, does RG3 want to play more this year (willing to void option) or are the Redskins willing to sacrifice a roster spot for the year to avoid cutting him?

        • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 3:16 PM

          It’s not just people; it’s the coach. You could also argue: not good: but better. Of course there are other factors Williams, Reed, and Crowder playing, for instance.

        • brucefan1 - Aug 31, 2015 at 3:29 PM

          Mj, I really can’t believe that any team would a give a pick for Griffin when they can get him for free, without that 5th year option hanging over him.

          Word is out (as per Rich) that there are teams who will make him an offer then. Up here near NYC, talk radio is full of, “Lets get RG3 for the Jets! He beats what we have hands down!”

          Of course some callers chime in with the same old, “Well I heard he’s a clubhouse cancer!”, “I heard he’s a diva!”, “I heard he won’t be coached!”

          You just gotta laugh.

        • mjthomas85 - Aug 31, 2015 at 3:32 PM

          True. It is a team sport and all positions (i.e. offense, defense, special teams, coaching, etc.) need to come together to win. That hasn’t happened within the organization as a whole.

          Moving forward, I hope the team can come together this year. I just don’t think that next years QB, or our long-term QB, is on the team. It is very possible that the team trades back and picks up a QB at the end of the first (or later) and plans for him to sit for a year or two behind McCoy or someone else to develop while they build other areas of the team.

          Best case scenario for this year is the team coming together and playing better than they are. That requires great coaching, which I am not sure will happen. Unfortunately, Gruden doesn’t exactly scream motivation or confidence, which makes me doubt that will happen.

        • mjthomas85 - Aug 31, 2015 at 3:39 PM

          The NYJ look like a perfect opportunity for RG3. Like others suggested, teams can play the waiting game to see what happens with RG3. Alternatively, the Redskins may be stubborn and not want to give him up for nothing, even at the cost of a roster spot.

          If they really are starting over at QB, then taking a $6.7 million hit isn’t that bad, since they won’t have an $18 million+ franchise QB contract to worry about. It also means that they will need to look long and hard at the money invested in WR’s, since that money may be put to better use elsewhere.

        • princewilks - Aug 31, 2015 at 6:54 PM

          Thanks Tim for clearing that up. I don’t understand how people call Griffin supporters blind but they fail to see on their own. For starters. I’m a redskins fan, nor an RG3 or KC fan. I wanna win, even if its Campbell or Johnson under center. However, just like you point Griffins flaws you’d then have to point Cousins. Cousins struggled mightily against the Ravens starters, as pointed above by Tim. 1INT & 1 fumble. The fluke TD, not only was he as lucky as he could be, but the pass was high and could have been picked off.

        • Skulb - Aug 31, 2015 at 7:11 PM

          Yes but he has never been the starter on anything resembling a permanent basis and was throw into this game less prepared than he would have been if he had been the designated starter. once again Griffin has hogged all the first team reps all summer.
          As for the fluke that actually did hit Roberts right in the hands and should have been caught to begin with. If that had not been a TD it would have been Roberts´ fault, not Cousins´. Blinders off please. RGIII is done and there´s no need to hold the fort anymore.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 31, 2015 at 8:17 PM

          Come on Skulb, what preparation was needed? that was a preseason game. Seriously, do you think they game planned differently for backups and TC fodder?

          Also, Gruden stated in that they planned to give Cousins some reps against the starting unit at Baltimore even if RG3 was going to play.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 31, 2015 at 8:19 PM

          ” If that had not been a TD it would have been Roberts´ fault, not Cousins´. Blinders off please. RGIII is done and there´s no need to hold the fort anymore.”

          Hmmmm! Why didn’t use this argument when Roberts dropped the 1st down pass as RG3 was hit the week before?

        • Skulb - Aug 31, 2015 at 8:31 PM

          Oh and btw, positive reinforcement is the name of the game in sports psychology. The correct way to evaluate players is to make one list of things they did well, which the coaches should encourage and reward if they are competent, and one list of negatives. As long as the negatives are negligible you can basically ignore them while reinforcing the positive behavior. This is how you train dogs and just basic stuff.
          When this breaks down is when there is no positive behavior to reinforce. In that case you can either be patient and not speak to the person at all, in case you accidentally reinforce negative behavior, until they do something positive, even if it is by accident, or you can turn to punishments and negative reinforcements instead.

          Now then, when it came to Griffin´s last game everything was wrong. He did not do a single thing right the entire game. From a motivational standpoint it is almost impossible to effectively coach someone when they are as bad as that. By contrast he did a few things right against Cleveland, but the list of negatives was still far longer than the list of positives.
          With Cousins this is simply not the case. Ignore the three situations you decided to nitpick up there and look at Cousins´ performance again. And it was objectively and unarguably good. Lots and lots of positives all round in fact. He was poised, moved well, was decisive and his throws were accurate. I could add that Moses should have finished his block to prevent the INT and that his “fluke” throw was a perfect throw and all you´re really left with of negatives is a fumble and half an INT, shared with Moses. He posted 190 yards in half a game, which puts him on a tempo of 380 pr game and a season total of 5966 offensive yards, or more than 1000 more yards than last year´s NFL leader in offensive yards, Drew Brees.
          Obviously unsustainable. But we are supposed to evaluate Cousins´performance in this game. And it was beyond debate very good. From this stellar performance you obsess over one and a half mistakes he managed to make in the process. I can only repeat that you apparently have absolutely no idea how to evaluate QB performances; quite astounding for someone so opinionated.

          So to sum up Cousins plays very well indeed but makes some mistakes while Griffin does nothing right and makes quite a lot of mistakes. They´re not even in the same league. And neither are the weird standards you apply depending on which QB we´re talking about. If the Redskins have brains enough to go with Kirk now and not waffle if he makes a few mistakes he could become very very good. It´s his time to get some patience now. Griffin has been coddled enough.

        • Skulb - Aug 31, 2015 at 8:34 PM


          That was Griffin´s only good throw in that game btw. Remove that controversial play from the game and he was mediocre at best, and that´s probably generous. Remove Cousins´three controversial plays from the Ravens game and he was great. It´s that simple and that´s how the Redskins coaches are looking at the situation too, I can guarantee you that.

        • gasngo14 - Aug 31, 2015 at 8:53 PM

          nameishere……It don’t really matter Rob is OUT and Kirk is IN

        • Skulb - Aug 31, 2015 at 9:03 PM

          What about “Griffin hogged all the first team reps for the PS” don´t you understand? If Cousins had those reps, which he should have had, he would have been in better sync with the first string offense. As it turned out he had to gel with them on the fly vs Baltimore. This is obviously not ideal compared to any other starter in the NFL. But Cousins managed to do it anyway, which is another unreported plus with his performance.

        • gasngo14 - Aug 31, 2015 at 9:10 PM

          Skulb…… the RG cult cries about sample size only when it applies to their concern …..never mind Kirk has only played 9 games over a 3 year period in two different O schemes !

        • TheHogs - Aug 31, 2015 at 9:33 PM

          Precisely the reason why you should NOT get giddy over Cousins’s numbers and use them as evidence that he’s a better QB than another QB.

          gasngo, you’re better suited for smileys than logic.

        • gasngo14 - Aug 31, 2015 at 9:41 PM

          hogs please tell me what numbers or stats of Kirk’s do you not like? INT’S right?

        • TheHogs - Aug 31, 2015 at 9:51 PM

          Nope. Cousins’s INTs aren’t the issue with him, at least for QB performance projections.

        • gasngo14 - Aug 31, 2015 at 9:59 PM

          hogs you continue to ignore the yds and tds he puts up in 9 games in a 3 year period under 2 different coaches, go look at his numbers vs the likes of both manning’s aikman, brees, s young , brady and tell me how many pics vs tds they had in their first full season, never mind the yards im sure Kirk is towards the top of list .

          he just had another 190 yds in a half, yes 1 pic and 1 td look at his numbers, don’t be blinded because your 2012 ROY has just been sat down! Give him the games Rob has had and compare the numbers it will not compare not even close and so what he throws pics …he moves the chains and scores and that’s the difference

          the pics will come down over time just like the QB’S named above.
          BTW rob has been a turnover machine as well and he has shownin the past 20 games or so he can’t move the chains!

        • gasngo14 - Aug 31, 2015 at 10:07 PM

          hogs if you are really a hog then except what we can’t change and support Kirk and the Redskins. Nothing we can do about Rob he had his 30 plus starts and has regressed and i don’t want to hear the excuses. Rob and his daddy asked to be a pocket QB and not to run designed QB run plays so they got what they asked for after running a coach out of town in doing so. We have new leadership and they have obviously seen the numbers in and out of camps and games and decided to moved on without Rob, All we can do is support them!

        • gasngo14 - Aug 31, 2015 at 10:21 PM

          hogs i will say one thing if they give Kirk the same opportunity as they have given to Rob we will have our franchise QB, I have said this from day one and also said shanny would ruin this kid and it would turn into a circus and guess what so far it’s been spot on ! I am just so happy to see we finally have a football mind in charge of this roster and it looks as if Dan is allowing him to work his craft ….only time will tell but so far so good!

        • brucefan1 - Aug 31, 2015 at 10:26 PM

          Hey, TheHogs! Did you just use the word “precisely” — as in “precisely two seconds to throw”!! That’s my new favorite word!! Gonna try to apsqeeze it into every comment.

          Btw, did you notice that looooooong comment from that guy “skulb” a few posts back, very similar to a comment you posted just a little while later (tearing HIS illogic apart, btw) that he complained was “too long”, so he wouldn’t read it! Needed shorthand.

          So he posts THAT manifesto, then ranks on you for doing the same thing. What a hypocrite! Gotta laugh!

        • Skulb - Aug 31, 2015 at 10:52 PM


          Thanks for the personal assaults. Very convincing when this is the level you are willing to sink to because you have no arguments. I was correcting you because you said “in less than two seconds”, when it in fact was precisely two seconds. You exaggerated, I corrected,. And that makes me “illogic” how?
          If you have any actual arguments, valid observations or anything resembling adult viewpoints feel free to respond. if it´s more of this childish bickering feel free to stop hurling abuse around and go away. This used to be a pretty civilized place before you and your Messiah Tim showed up. All you do is twist stats, ignore reality and lie to make points. And that´s what´s “illogic” here. In fact you used three logical fallacies just in this one post.

          Would you like me to tell you which they were or do you actually know something about the “illogic” you mentioned above. I´m gonna take a wild stab and say you don´t. Maybe about as much as you know about football though.

        • TheHogs - Aug 31, 2015 at 10:58 PM

          How is brucefan1 supposed to read that wall of text?

        • TheHogs - Aug 31, 2015 at 11:40 PM

          gasngo, I hope you’re not attempting to compare a 4th-round pick who didn’t even start for most of his career to two 1st-round picks and a 2nd-round pick, all of whom were starters by their 2nd season and younger than Cousins by their 4th season. Brady is the lone exception, but he’s the exception *because* late round picks don’t usually become starters in the NFL, much less have the success that Brady did (and even Brady was a starter by his 2nd season).

          You should be comparing Cousins’s situation to similar players and scenarios, and for your convenience I did that for you. Again, not a lot of 4th-round or later picks become quality NFL starters, but QBs who have had a similar number of starts as Cousins after their first three seasons and similar or better performance numbers include Scott Mitchell, Elvis Grbac, Brad Johnson, Ed Hargett, Paul Justin, Bob Lee, T.J. Rubley, and Joe Gilliam. Brad Johnson, like Brady, is another exception. But I’m sure that the other QBs were franchise QBs worth cutting a #2 overall pick for, right?

        • gasngo14 - Sep 1, 2015 at 7:04 AM

          ok hogs have a good day!

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 1, 2015 at 7:47 AM

          “I could add that Moses should have finished his block to prevent the INT and that his “fluke” throw was a perfect throw and all you´re really left with of negatives is a fumble and half an INT, shared with Moses. ”

          You can’t do that and be right about it. Moses was moving back blocking the edge and Suggs turned inside where Moses still had partial containment. Suggs uses his experience and excellent play to outsmart both Moses and Cousins by reading where the QB was looking and then snatching the easy interception. Now if you want to discuss the great play by Suggs and how he outsmarted the QB then fine. Hell, even Cousins reported he just didn’t see Suggs coming and took blame for the interception. There was very little Moses did wrong on that play other not having full containment of Suggs. However, he still had him blocked well enough where Cousins had time to continue in his progression for another receiver option. You are starting to sound like the RG3 fans here claim blames his lineman for his mistakes. What a turn of character in just one week.

          As I stated numerous times, I like Cousins and believe he can be a starting NFL QB. This is his time to prove it. However, his performance against the starting unit last week was questionable to average. He put the team in a whole real fast. His performance improved as the starting unit of the Ravens went to the bench. That is just a plain hard cold fact. However, the excuses of backups and tipped passes for TDs won’t be there during the regular season. Cousins needs to show he can play a complete game at a high level against he best players on the opponent’s team. I hope Cousins lights it up against Miami but my expectation for Cousins at this point is to move the ball effectively and don’t change the impact of the games with costly interceptions and fumbles. He doesn’t look like a QB yet ready to be a real threat for the better defenses in the NFL.

          Hopefully Skulb you’ll find the ability to provide a balance analysis that I’ve seen you provide in the past. It’s certainly hasn’t been here for the last few weeks when you felt you had to become a Cousins defender.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 1, 2015 at 8:00 AM

          “What about “Griffin hogged all the first team reps for the PS” don´t you understand? If Cousins had those reps, which he should have had, he would have been in better sync with the first string offense. As it turned out he had to gel with them on the fly vs Baltimore. This is obviously not ideal compared to any other starter in the NFL. But Cousins managed to do it anyway, which is another unreported plus with his performance.”

          What part of preseason don’t you understand? You are not going to be playing your opponent’s defense at their best and the schemes are still pretty much vanilla right now. Hell, the Ravens did Cousins a service by taking the starters out in the 2nd quarter. They are running the same offense regardless if its with the first team. The only impact you have may be timing with the receivers. Which I HOPE was the case with the 3 or so overthrown passes on an open Ryan Grant. Enjoy the flip-flopping and you may have to keep digging for some more of these excuses for Cousins as the season rambles on (i.e. dog training for NFL players).

          Honestly, I hope we can all celebrate in Cousins success!

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Sep 1, 2015 at 7:29 AM

        “This is how you train dogs and just basic stuff.”

        So the way to coach NFL players is to go to dog training school? Nice!

  18. bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 4:14 PM


    Best case scenario is that Kirk Cousins exceeds expectations, that the team exceeds expectations, and that there is a chance to make the playoffs. As for the Jets, I don’t think that NY is a good market for Griffin at this moment but if he excels, he’d become a super star. Cue the troll that states that that will never happen. Cousins or Colt excelling or drafting a QB would take the pressure off restructuring the cap as $16M will most likely be freed up for next year plus the $5M to $10M they already have available, not having to pay Galette a big contract to keep him, Andre Roberts, DeAngelo Hall, Dashon Golston, and Jason Hatcher will likely clear another $20M or so. There’s likely to be enough space to sign a Drew Brees type if his team implodes and want to start over.

  19. goback2rfk - Aug 31, 2015 at 4:19 PM

    R.I.P. RG3

  20. gasngo14 - Aug 31, 2015 at 6:10 PM

    Did you hear Shanny’s latest comments…..

    “Kirk Cousins is a franchise QB,” the coach said in a phone interview, according to NFL Network’s Dan Hellie. “He will be a top 10 QB in this league, no doubt about it.”

    • princewilks - Aug 31, 2015 at 6:39 PM

      Shanahan has been saying that since he was fired.

      • gasngo14 - Aug 31, 2015 at 7:23 PM

        first time i have heard that one …

    • bangkokben - Aug 31, 2015 at 7:00 PM

      Crap! That is like the kiss of death. “John Beck: I stake my reputation on his ability to play in this league.” (paraphrased, of course, although I used quotations)

      • gasngo14 - Aug 31, 2015 at 7:06 PM


  21. timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 31, 2015 at 7:28 PM

    When Cousins starts throwing picks and gets smeared left and right I don’t wanna read anyone blaming the Oline because I will be all over them about how it’s not the Oline so I’ve bin told and it’s just an excuse.

    • gasngo14 - Aug 31, 2015 at 7:54 PM

      Was the OL at some fault for the last pick?

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 31, 2015 at 9:33 PM

        I’ve said that the Oline contributed to some of his picks and inaccurate throws last year. Nobody wanted to say I was wrong about that just RG3.

    • Skulb - Aug 31, 2015 at 8:58 PM

      You´ll be the only one smearing him so we´ll probably manage.

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 31, 2015 at 9:36 PM

        I’m sure you will be the one blaming the Oline against the Dolphins Rams I would ne more teams but I don’t think he will be in all season

        • Skulb - Aug 31, 2015 at 10:55 PM

          Nope. I know how to evaluate QBs you see. I have been critical of Robert not because of isolated mistakes but because of an overall failure to perform and execute the basics of the QB position. You will now undoubtedly do the opposite and obsess over Cousins´ isolated mistakes while totally ignoring anything positive he does. Exactly the opposite of how you evaluated Griffin in fact.

          Time for fake fans to take a hike Tim. Maybe you can follow RGIII into the unemployment line.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Sep 1, 2015 at 2:03 AM

          How do you figure A season ticket holder and the person who has bin a commenter on here longer than anyone a fake fan. Fake fans flip flop from year to year like you. You evaluating QB is hilarious. You think playing backups is the same as playing starters.

  22. gasngo14 - Aug 31, 2015 at 7:36 PM

    Breaking News …..The Rams want to trade for Rob, they offered Danny 20% of future jersey sales and a bottle of scotch for Scot…….HA!

  23. goback2rfk - Aug 31, 2015 at 9:01 PM

    How does Cousins go from 3rd string INT machine on the bench to “The Team Is Cousins”
    This shit is crazy yo

  24. gasngo14 - Aug 31, 2015 at 10:37 PM


    ” Cousins’s INTs aren’t the issue with him, at least for QB performance projections.”

    so hogs enlighten me on what issues Kirk has with” QB performance projections.”

    • gasngo14 - Aug 31, 2015 at 10:44 PM

      hogs you need to make up your mind on why you don’t like Kirk you say one thing one minute and say another the next so what is it…….or are you just an angry RG fan?

    • TheHogs - Aug 31, 2015 at 11:49 PM

      Lack of substantial playing time after three seasons in the league, as a 4th-round pick.

      • goback2rfk - Aug 31, 2015 at 11:56 PM

        Kirk is Kirk. He is no Peyton Manning. However, I bet he will pull 8 Wins out of his ass this year. That is if Suh and Wake dont kill him.
        The real question is who is the number #2 guy now. I suppose Colt McCoy is the back up QB which makes RG3 third. However, wont they just cut RG3? What is the reason to not cut RG3 immediately.

  25. goback2rfk - Aug 31, 2015 at 11:53 PM

    Are we truly better with RG3 on the bench? Only time well tell I suppose. However, at this point it is hard to say cause its Cousins coming in. Its not like Tom Brady is replacing him. No way Gruden survives through all this mess. Cousins may come in and stink it up and then I wonder how many people are getting the pink slip come Black Monday.

    • gasngo14 - Sep 1, 2015 at 7:36 AM

      sounds as if this “mess” as you call it has been a group decision between the owner down to coach so i am not sure about your point of pink slips? Archives

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