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Need to Know: Clarity for Redskins, RG3 remains elusive

Aug 29, 2015, 6:29 AM EDT

RG3 fumble vs Lions

Here is what you need to know on this Saturday, August 29, the day the Washington Redskins play the Baltimore Ravens.

A cloud of uncertainty will remain

After having a fairly positive training camp in Richmond, the Redskins have not had much go well since returning to Ashburn. To recap the last 12 days at Redskins Park:

—Robert Griffin III was widely quoted as saying he believes he is the best quarterback in the NFL. The remark was taken out of context but that did not keep it from being fodder for blogs and radio and TV talk shows.

—There was a very visible debate involving Griffin and team PR officials over whether or not the quarterback should address the media following the first practice after his “best” comments.

—Griffin and the first team offense looked awful in their Thursday preseason game against the Lions. In four possessions they mustered just one first down and Griffin was hit six times on eight pass dropbacks.

—During that game the Redskins lost special teams captain Adam Hayward for the season with a torn ACL.

—Griffin left the game and it was announced that he was being examined for a possible head injury. Despite media reports that Griffin had passed concussion testing, including one from the team’s own broadcast network, Jay Gruden announced after the game that Griffin did indeed have a concussion.

—Outside linebacker Junior Galette, who was going to be a key part of the Redskins’ pass rush, was lost for the season with a torn Achilles tendon he suffered late in practice. He was to make his preseason game debut on Saturday.

—On Thursday Griffin held a rather odd news conference where he said that he doesn’t know when or even if he suffered a concussion. He also said, “I just work here” as part of a response to a question about being in the Lions game for four series despite taking some hard hits. A few hours after Griffin’s news conference the team sent out an announcement that he had been cleared to play through the NFL’s concussion protocol.

—On Friday, it was announced that the decision to let Griffin play against the Redskins had been reversed.

The week already was strange before Griffin was taken out of Saturday’s game. And that action robbed the Redskins of a chance to change the narrative.

Had Griffin come in and played well against the Ravens, the conversation would have gone from the tumult at Redskins Park to Griffin and an offense that had turned things around. It would not have taken much, maybe a touchdown drive, a field goal, and a minimal number of sacks and Griffin generally looking better than he did against the Lions. The noise would have died down and the talk could shift to football and preparations for the team’s season opener on September 13.

To be sure, there was no guarantee that such a positive scenario would take place if Griffin was allowed to play. But there was a chance.

But now with Kirk Cousins likely to work with the first team offense the forecast is for more turmoil. If the plays well, Washington will instantly be in full-blown quarterback controversy mode two weeks before the season opener. If he plays poorly, fans and the media will rightly wonder if the team can even match the four wins they got last year. Either that or take hope in Colt McCoy as the savior.

A lack of clarity regarding Griffin has been one of the big clouds hanging over Redskins Park. And it’s not going away.


Today’s schedule: Redskins vs. Ravens, M&T Bank Stadium, 7:30, Comcast SportsNet

—It’s been 244 days since the Redskins played a game. It will be 15 days until they play the Dolphins at FedEx Field.

Days until: Final cuts 7; Rams @ Redskins 22; Redskins @ Giants Thursday night 26

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  1. gonavybeatarmy - Aug 29, 2015 at 6:48 AM

    The independent medical examination was performed by world-renowned neurologist James Gruden, M.D.

  2. bk70 - Aug 29, 2015 at 6:48 AM

    Rich, Why do I feel like I’ve seen RGIII play his last game as a Washington Redskin? Did he allow his ego to think he was bigger than the team? This preseason is worst than the 2016 Presidential Campaign. All I want to see is so real football played for 16 games by the Redskins.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:11 AM

      A neuropsychologists was reported to have publicly announce a reversal on a concussion clearance based on “further scrutiny” of the data. How is that the end of RG3 here? Do you think Cousins is going to light it up tonight. My money is he’ll play well but have his own challenges. RG3 should be the starter unless more ” further scrutiny” dictates otherwise.

      • bangkokben - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:47 AM

        That’s possible but not the likeliest scenario. Griffin did not have extensive playing time in the first two games. Last year he had minimal time as well but didn’t have to come back from a head injury. I no longer play football and when I was diagnosed with a concussion a few years ago as a human – not an athlete, you’re asked to rest – not just lie down – but avoid reading, tv, screen time of any kind, basically anything that uses your brain, and eat 200% of your normal caloric intake. Griff didn’t appear to be doing any of that this past week. Who knows if he’s able to practice the next two weeks are look at film, etc. Doesn’t make him the likely opening day starter. Which gives whomever is the starter a chance to hold on to it.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:11 AM

          It is possible it was misdiagnosed early and as you seem to indicate he could have healed if followed proper procedure for concussions immediately. Actually it appears that a misdiagnose early is the most plausible reason for this setback. Certainly practice time is critical here and if he is forced to sit out practice the next two weeks then it’s only to fair to expect the QB working with the starting unit to play. My position is that it is highly unlikely that Cousins will get the start based strictly on his performance tonight.

        • bangkokben - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:34 AM

          According to Diana Russini of ESPN. Cousins has been named the starter for week 1.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:46 AM

          Is this from twitter?

        • bangkokben - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:50 AM

          Just saw it on Sports Center. Did a whole thing on it. Ryan Clark saying no need to go back to Griffin. Time for the organization to move on. Marc Dominc saying get RG3 cleared and then trade him is what he would do. End of an era stuff.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:49 AM

          My text is showing the team never made a decision on a week one starter in contrast to a recent report. This typically means its only unofficial but also could become official very soon.

        • bangkokben - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:50 AM

          We will see tonight.

  3. Johnny B. - Aug 29, 2015 at 6:59 AM

    I like RG3 but the way the team went about trying to teach him to be a drop back passer was all wrong. He needed to be with the Second string for a while to learn without too much pressure. I think Cousins will do well if he starts but without any time with the first team it won’t be a good Guage on how much he has improved. I still want Cousins to start all year to prove that he can be a quality starter in the NFL.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:21 AM

      You have a point here about RG3. However, I think the ACL/MCL injury was a significant setback. His injury reduced him to being an immobile QB playing in a bulky brace. They took the option plays away from him soon after the season started. I wonder now if the team should have held him out for that season and yes worked on his pocket presence while getting his mobility back. I can’t imagine what it was like for him to play on the field in 2013 where I’m sure he felt like a different player without his ability to move. I don’t think 2013 did anything for his development. It was a complete wash.

      Cousins was not the the 2nd selected QB in 2012 on this team, so he isn’t going to get all year to start. He’s a 4th round selection where the team reportedly couldn’t even negotiate a 4th round trade option to other NFL teams. If there is more to this “further scrutiny” data stuff from the neuropsychologists than is being reported that may be something extreme like a career threatening issue then yeah you’ll get your way with Cousins. However, it’s not football sense to give him a year while benching RG3. That’s the approach needed for RG3 as a starter and if he fails they can sign an extension for Cousins the following season.

      • Johnny B. - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:40 AM

        I fully agree but if they did develope Griffin and Cousins this way we might have good trade bait for both QBs…

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:57 AM

          Possible but I don’t feel either is worth much in a trade at this point. I’ve stated many times I’m also a fan of Cousins and really hope nothing but the best for him. I hope he shines tonight because he has earned this opportunity. I personally don’t think the performance here by Cousins will change that RG3 will start. I am concerned though that there is more to what the neuropsychologists found that is not yet reported. If RG3 is held back for an extended period then I have to agree with you then about starting Cousins. The one concern I have always had with RG3 is durability.

  4. Johnny B. - Aug 29, 2015 at 6:59 AM


  5. Stephfan - Aug 29, 2015 at 7:50 AM

    Grid end approach has been wrong all along. Wacth tonight’s game and we will see bootlegs, more play action and even a designed run or two? The play calling is vastly different when griffin is in there vs the other two on the roster. I hope that but the end of the season gruden is gone. He was brought here to fix our offense and he hasn’t don’t that. On top of that the defense was beyond dreadful last year. My main problem is making someone do an offense they doesn’t suit griffin if he is the starter? Why doesn’t he adjust and make the offense into something griffin can work with but that’s a dream. I have hope they griffin will start the season and do ok. Regardless either griffin or gruden will be gone and my money is on gruden being let go. Not because griffin is the so called golden child but gruden lied to us all. Saying I’m gonna help griffin and I still have not see it? I’m fustrated as a fan because we should have gotten a coach that could work with him like settles oc last year or hell even a defensive coach. But like I said my money is on gruden, the only thing that saves him is a winning season because I think Scott will be quick to pull the plug on gruden quicker than griffin. Or unless gruden stops calling plays and we win more games. That’s the only way he stays. The writing is on the wall for both gruden and griffin but more on our worthless coach that rather defend himself because he is called fat but won’t defend griffin. But is behind cousins and colt more? Bye gruden #lastyearindc

    • Johnny B. - Aug 29, 2015 at 8:12 AM

      Working with a Quarter back means that the qb needs to work with him also. Gruden is just trying to get Rg to learn the pocket so he gives him all drop back plays. The other Qb know how to drop back.

      • gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 8:24 AM

        no Johnny according to stepfan coach needs to go deep into the playbook and pull out some tricks in preseason to help rgme

        • Stephfan - Aug 29, 2015 at 8:49 AM

          Gas please stfu I clearly stated that he needs to call the same plays he calls for colt and Kirk. They get way more pistol formation, bootlegs and play action. I said nothing about trick plays. So reframe from comments toward me you worthless troll! So wacth the game tonight and wacth how what I said bout different play calls happen

        • gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:02 AM

          steph no need for the “stfu”
          Its preseason and you practice things you are lacking in your game using your basic playbook! I can’t help you if you don’t understand this !!!!

        • abanig - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:12 AM

          I think it would be beneficial if everyone stopped with the personal attacks even if they’ve happened in the past and that’s why they happen now. Just lay out your opinions and why you respectfully disagree with the other person. It’s not that hard.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:32 AM

        It has nothing to do with dropping back. Learning to move and make adjustments in the pocket in the NFL is not an easy skill to acquire. You way over simplify the position with this comment. Sure RG3 has to work to overcome his deficiencies but he needs the proper mentoring. Gruden is apparently not the guy for mentoring and they have since hired Matt Cavanaugh.

        The fans here that have given up on RG3 are just unrealistic in their expectation of him. It was well reported he would need work developing in the pocket because he didn’t play in a pro set offense. After two seasons of turmoil, fans think it should be clicking for him. How is that expected when you are a QB mired injuries and poor coaching decisions?

        • skinsgame - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:56 AM

          If he was showing improvement in fundamentals, he wouldn’t have so many doubters. That hit he took from the Lions LB that came straight at him was quintessential Robert. He did not move a single step to either side to avoid a hit coming straight to his face and he had time to.

        • TheHogs - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:02 AM

          But you’re not a doubter, skinsgame. After all, you did say this about RGIII: “They happen to have the leagues best QB back there, in case they didn’t know, and it would create a controversy if they held him back in any way.”

          So, you think that Griffin is the QB for this team.

        • ET - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:08 AM

          “The fans here that have given up on RG3 are just unrealistic in their expectation of him. “

          Really? You don’t think it’s realistic to expect a highly touted pro in the third season of his “transition” to be able to execute the basic mechanics of the position: you know, a three-step drop, a five-step drop, the ability to shift appropriately in a pocket, the ability to make more than one read, being ready to abandon the pocket when necessary? Robert is a smart guy, he’s a talented guy, no doubt. But his transition to pocket passer—an idea he’s endorsed—has been a failure. Robert is unable to execute the fundamental techniques necessary for the position, while the “lesser” talents down the roster keep incrementally improving as one would hope and expect.

        • skinsgame - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:12 AM

          I’ve decided to create a new acronym for Bobby: “BQBITL”. Feel free to use it. Share it with your buddies. Go ahead.

        • bangkokben - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:14 AM

          A perfect environment doesn’t exist. Sure there are obstacles for Griffin but right or wrong he has to show improvement in the environment that he is in. And in order to do that, he needs to be healthy.

        • TheHogs - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:15 AM

          And your proof of that is based on a preseason game, ET? It means nothing, even if Griffin completed all of his passes vs. the Lions with 2 TDs. You have no way of seeing who “improved” as a QB unless that QB plays at least three-quarters of meaningful, regular-season games (and even that comes with a grain of salt.)

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:27 AM

          That hit was a completion if Roberts had done his job in catching the ball. That is not even a example of a fundamental issue. He saw the blitzing LB coming and held on long enough to get off a possible completion. QBs do that in games on a common basis. This idea that sound fundamental QBs avoid all hits and dance their way to completion is more Madden Football than the NFL. I was just watching Tom Brady take some hits last night and if you just replace the image of the player with RG3, guys like you would be touting the same issues. You might be able to find every hit avoidable the QB if you scrutinize like you try to do with RG3. The fact is that no QB is going to make the right decision in avoiding every hit. Sometimes a hit must be absorbed to make a play. You guys don’t realize how fast these guys are coming. Plain and simple!

          His last two plays were example of fundamental issues. Like the one where Willie Smith was beat and RG3 stepped into pressure instead of stepping to his right where he could have bought more time. The last play was him leaving a pocket that still had containment was also on him. All those other hits you mentioned were breakdowns at the line.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:35 AM

          “Really? You don’t think it’s realistic to expect a highly touted pro in the third season of his “transition””

          A third season of transition that include injuries and coaching changes to a rookie coach. One rookie coach that displayed incompetence throughout the season. The one coach where we saw the offense decline in EVERY position from offense line to the running game. The same offense where all three QBs struggled. It’s hard to progress in chaos. You’re unrealistic because you don’t get the big picture. I also provided a statistic out there showing that Luck has had as many passing attempts in just one of his seasons than RG3 has in all three of his. You know those passing attempts in real game situations?

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:41 AM

          ET, how do you know what fundamentals he has or has not progressed in? Do you know how to evaluate those fundamentals? Rich and Keim have stated numerous time he has looked better than those other QBs you claim have incrementally improved. Gruden has reported RG3 has improved this season. So you know more than those guys?

          All you have is the preseason games. This preseason hasn’t been an opportunity to prove much of anything with RG3. If you think you have down his fundamental issue than you are just fooling yourself. Just another fan missing the complete picture. Missing the fact RG3 was dropping back and getting the ball out faster with what little options were given in these two games. Missing the fact that RG3 had two huge drops by starting WRs where one foiled a touchdown and the other killed a drive. Yeah he still made mistakes under duress but he also got the ball out under those conditions.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:44 AM

          “A perfect environment doesn’t exist. ‘

          Yeah but stable environments do for most NFL teams but that hasn’t been the case for any of these QBs.

          Durability is RG3’s crutch and if he can’t stay healthy enough to stay on the field then that will be his demise. However, these foolish claims of persistent fundamentals issues based on very little preseason play is laughable.

        • Johnny B. - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:49 AM

          That is the basics of a drop back passer. It takes years to learn not just 1 year. A dedicated qb can learn it in a couple of years. That means all off season also that is not Griffin.

        • ET - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:04 AM

          “ET, how do you know what fundamentals he has or has not progressed in?”

          I have the same information you have, presumably. What do you think? Did the Lions game remind you of any games last year?

          Look, I’d be happy to see Robert succeed. I’ve repeatedly said I think he’s a talented guy whose pro career has been mismanaged and/or partially derailed by factors outside of his control.

          At the same time, however, I think he should be on a short leash. Robert has had many opportunities to turn things around since his first comeback from injury (which I agree was too soon). And he hasn’t turned it around. He still should have to earn that starting spot, no matter how many picks were spent to acquire him.

        • abanig - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:10 AM

          Boom! Winner winner chicken dinner!

        • TheHogs - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:12 AM

          ET posted: “Did the Lions game remind you of any games last year?”

          This reeks of confirmation bias, ET.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:26 AM

          “I have the same information you have, presumably. What do you think? Did the Lions game remind you of any games last year?”

          What I saw from the Lions game is many things going wrong on the offense. When the offense as a whole looks that bad in barely more than a quarter play, any improvements RG3 may have are hard to even diagnose. What we do know is that RG3 can’t move the ball when the under constant duress. Many starting QBs would have had similar issues in that situation. The only thing I ask is to at least provide some average protection to see what he can do. We never saw that against Detroit until maybe RG3’s last series when Detroit brought in the backup line. However by then he had taken a beat down and may have already been concussed. I won’t hold that as an excuse for him and I will contend his last series was his worst where he reverted back to some of the same bad habits of last season. However the prior series he had poor field position on 2nd and 3rd downs, a key drive killing dropped pass, and an abundance of breakdown blocking and picking up blitzes. I felt he was still getting the ball out faster than last season even under those conditions. Keim made a similar statement about some of his pass attempts and he also in one report showed every pressure was under 3 seconds where a few were under 2.2 seconds. That’s a hostile environment to play under in a preseason game. Do I give RG3 a high grade last week? No! I actually thinks its an incomplete grade. I refuse to follow others here that discount breakdowns at the line and dropped passes as just part of the game when he had very few attempts given.

    • Alisa the Doula - Aug 29, 2015 at 8:22 AM

      I agree Gruden is he biggest problem, he’s a terrible head coach and bad OC. He’s an awful coach and an awful man and ill be glad to see him fired. Sad dumbasses like Gruden get to live life as millionaires but o well. At least his dumb Awwww Shucks Jay idiot self will be canned by the end of January.

      • abanig - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:13 AM

        I think there is a good chance that both Gruden and Griffin are gone next year.

        Callahan for HC?

        • ET - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:15 AM

          While I like Callahan and am excited that he’s part of the staff, I think coordinator might be the natural ceiling for him. Who knows? I could be wrong. There are certainly lots of scarier choices out there than Bill Callahan.

          (Weren’t advocating for a defensive-minded head coach the other day? I honestly can’t remember who it was.)

        • abanig - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:07 AM

          I was joking. I guess I should have put an lol, but he did get the Raiders – with Jon Grudens team – to the Super Bowl – and lost to Jon Gruden in the Super Bowl.

          I do definitely think defensive coaches bring more discipline and structure and that’s what the Redskins need most. Over the last 22 years the Redskins have only had one defensive minded HC – Marty Schotenheimer – and I think it’s time to try that model again.

        • ET - Aug 29, 2015 at 12:51 PM

          Giving Marty the boot was a huge misstep oh so many years ago. If he had a few more years at the helm, the long-term culture of the team would be much different, IMO.

        • Skulb - Aug 30, 2015 at 2:31 PM

          As long as Gruden ends up better than 4-12 he´ll obviously stay on for a third season. The people here calling for Gruden´s head had better hope for a lot of losses this fall. Some fans you are btw…

        • abanig - Aug 30, 2015 at 3:24 PM

          I was joking…

          Truthfully, Gruden is like Griffin in his development as a head coach, he’s only in his second year doing the job. Griffin is in his second year as a primarily drop back qb.

          If you want to see the second coming of Randall Cunningham, you keep Griffin as the starter. If you want to feel good about how the offense looks on every play but then get your heart ripped out by only a few bad plays every game you stay with Kirk Cousins.

        • Skulb - Aug 30, 2015 at 3:32 PM

          Well yeah except the potential disaster if Grffin gets injured long term again. I mean I´m not in on any of these conspiracy theories right now, either way really; not the “evil Gruden deliberately sabotaging Griffin” or the “locker room hates him” variety. But you have to wonder if there´s not some temptation here to fake something with Griffin so he can sit out and not risk an injury. That way the GM and/or coach can avoid conflicts with Snyder and they get to play a QB they might have more confidence in with as little drama as possible.
          To me it´s like Washington have perhaps painted themselves into a corner with Griffin and are looking at possible escape routes.
          I don´t see Randall Cunningham here at all. I see comedy. But I can agree to disagree about the Cunninghamness of RGIII. Just don´t state this as fact before he´s actually demonstrated some meaningful game time progress in his role.

        • abanig - Aug 30, 2015 at 3:56 PM

          Cunningham used to cause issues in phila as a youngster also, he’s a weird kinda guy also not everyone loved him in their lockeroom.

          I’ll rephrase my statement, Griffin played like Cunningham in his first two seasons in the nfl and he has potential to become like Cunningham as a pocket passer like Cunningham did after a few years of development as a pocket passer.

          Cunningham was aided by great D & good special teams the current groups for the skins in those areas hurt mall the skins qbs.

      • bangkokben - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:24 AM

        This is stupid talk. Are you a Redskin fan or a Griffin fan? The last thing the Redskins need is a different coach. They need to win games. Root for the uniforms! As for Griffin, I hope he heals and gets another opportunity with the Redskins, but if you listen to every former Redskin that follows this team closely (Mitchel, Walker, Cooley, Thiesmann) you get a consensus of guys who played the game that who don’t believe the REDSKINS can win many games with Griffin behind center. Meanwhile, I hope the Redskins have as much success as possible.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:53 AM

          Mitchel, Walker, Cooley, Thiesmann are no longer football players. They are part of the media looking for sound bytes and juicy topics. I can’t listen to the local guys where I am now but when did Thiesmann change his tune about RG3?

        • warpath1 - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:00 AM

          I agree, how has changing coaches every few years worked for us so far. Anyone who want s to judge gruden on one year with an inherited bad team, is being unrealistic

        • TheHogs - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:05 AM

          You can be a fan of both, bangboken. Real human beings do play this sport, after all. You might as well watch a team of robots play football if you subscribe that much to the “It’s all about the team!” mantra.

          And, since it’s the Redskins, a team of robots would probably still go 4-12.

        • bangkokben - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:33 AM

          Of course you can be a fan of both. I am a fan of both. So why ‘root’ for the coach to fail since your choice for QB is no longer the starter? Unless, you’re more of a fan of that player than the team.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:34 AM

          Shanahan coached for more than a few years and that only provided one winning season. It’s not stupid talk to suggest a coaching change when a new GM comes in and puts more experienced and probably more qualified coaches around Gruden. Maybe Gruden will be a coach by proxy here for the next few seasons who knows. However, there are many reasons from last season to suggest that Gruden is on a very short leash here.

        • bangkokben - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:37 AM

          No it is. Gruden is guarantee for five years and has coached one season. This season hasn’t even played out. Let the coach do his job and if the GM wants him gone, fine. But fire the coach because you don’t like how he’s handled a QB, that’s stupid.

        • abanig - Aug 29, 2015 at 6:17 PM

          This! Gruden needs time to work this roster the way he wants it – with McCloughan. Last year Gruden was playing with mostly Shanhan players. This is the first year that most of the guys will be ones that have been brought in the last two seasons.

        • bangkokben - Aug 29, 2015 at 7:32 PM

          Agreed. You and I both want(ed) Griffin to be a part of those plans. Slim chance of that happening.

        • skinsgame - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:42 AM

          I must’ve stated a dozen times in the recent past that, just because you think or see that Griffin is regressing and that he still mishandles media relations, it doesn’t mean you’re a “hater”. Crtiques of him even draw accusations of racism. The insults hurled by the side that seem to take Griffins performance personally is nearly constant now. There is no real discussion allowed. Skinsname, Stephfan, The Hogs name a few… over the top.

        • TheHogs - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:45 AM

          You don’t think Griffin is regressing, skinsgame. Remember? You called him the best QB in the league!

        • TheHogs - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:49 AM

          bangkokben, you set of the false dichomtomy of Redskins vs. Griffin in your post. I’ll let you go back and read it.

        • bangkokben - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:55 AM

          The point is: if you want the coach to fail this season and get fired, you want the Redskins to fail. Griffin is already not playing and quite possibly will not again for the B&G, if you believe recent reports. Firing Gruden out of spite, especially since it is not on the table due to his contract and the course of the off season, is not only stupid talk but an emotional response favoring one in the organization over the whole.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:53 AM

          Skinsgame just because I think your conclusions and analysis on the QB are unrealistic doesn’t mean I think you are a hater or racist. It means I just think your wrong in your assessment of RG3. Nice try in attempting to swing this away from football. When ones like you have very little to provide in facts that’s normally the next direction you’ll go.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:58 AM

          “No it is. Gruden is guarantee for five years and has coached one season”

          This is why I call Gruden a potential coach by proxy at this point. It was a horrible contract to give to a guy who could be in over his head during his tenure. The only option is to find competence to build around him. Regardless, I hope we can find a winning formula out of this even if I think the team made a poor hire here.

        • bangkokben - Aug 29, 2015 at 12:05 PM

          Fair enough. I hated the Shanahan hire. I started to come around in 2012 and was all a board in 2013 until the sniping started. Even then I didn’t want a change because of the negative things change brings but it became clear that it was a toxic environment. This time, it may be toxic but only for Griffin. The o-line is being bolstered, the defense, and special teams too. Shanahan had his zone blocking running game and one good season of QB play that’s it everything else he made was rubbish and why give him a lame duck year to keep blowing his nose in the soup. We aren’t there yet with Gruden. Maybe we will be at the end of the year but let’s let it play out before we jump to conclusions. I’m just being consistent here.

        • TheHogs - Aug 29, 2015 at 12:27 PM

          bangkokben posted: “The point is: if you want the coach to fail this season and get fired, you want the Redskins to fail. ”

          The conclusion doesn’t follow.

          “Firing Gruden out of spite, especially since it is not on the table due to his contract and the course of the off season, is not only stupid talk but an emotional response favoring one in the organization over the whole.”

          Sure, firing Gruden *out of spite* is silly. But there are people who think he should be fired that aren’t being spiteful. They just think that Gruden is not a competent head coach.

        • bangkokben - Aug 29, 2015 at 2:49 PM

          Look, if you think he’s not a competent hire, too bad. If you still think that is a reason for firing him, it is not. If you want the Redskins to succeed but still want Gruden fired, good luck with that.

          A fired Gruden is a result from an unsuccessful team. A team coming off 7 wins in two years has more room to succeed than to fail.

        • gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 12:52 PM

          WELL SAID SKINSGAME!!! 100% TRUE

        • skinsgame - Aug 29, 2015 at 2:47 PM

          redskinsname, when I was quoting Griffin, verbatim, an article or two back you were throwing insults and never answered a single question that I posed based on facts so don’t use “facts” as a point. Reading posts the least couple days, the Griffin Mafia are generally rude unless someone agrees with you out of hand. And that part is crucial; out of hand.You aren’t convincing anyone of anything at all. You’re not winning anyone over with emotional insults.

        • TheHogs - Aug 29, 2015 at 3:29 PM

          bangkokben posted: “Look, if you think he’s not a competent hire, too bad. If you still think that is a reason for firing him, it is not.”

          And why not? If he’s not competent, then that’s a valid reason for firing him from the head coaching position. You simply made a mistake in hiring him; that doesn’t mean you can’t come to your senses.

          “A fired Gruden is a result from an unsuccessful team.”

          Not necessarily.

        • bangkokben - Aug 29, 2015 at 4:42 PM

          TheHogs, you seem like a reasonable person from most of your posts. Today, not so much.

          To your response. YOU do not think the 2nd year coach is competent; not ownership or management. Ownership has made those type of rash judgments in the past and have rightly been skewered for it. I.E. Firing Marty after an 8-8 season and firing Norvell with three games left and chance to make the playoffs. You are advocating that type of decision, now; and that is STUPIDICULOUS! (a stupid word that I’ve coined from the two words ‘stupid’ and ‘ridiculous’ for such occasions that are equal parts both words)

          As for a scenario where the team succeeds but Gruden is fired, that I’d like to hear. That ought to be rich.

        • TheHogs - Aug 29, 2015 at 3:32 PM

          And what are you talking about, skinsgame? The fact is that you called Griffin the best QB in the league in your post, so I don’t know what the issue is.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 29, 2015 at 3:40 PM

          “redskinsname, when I was quoting Griffin, verbatim, an article or two back you were throwing insults”

          First off that is someone else you were debating or you’re full of it. What I went after you on is the comment where you made that as soon as RG3 left the offense line pass protection issues stopped. That the QBs were side stepping the rush. I demonstrated on the next series that Jones and Thompson ripped off huge runs before a single pass from Colt. I then proceeded to prove that Colt rolled out wide right on his first pass for a completion. The next pass attempt was in the pocket where he threw a dud for incomplete while also getting hit. He proceeded to get the roughing the passer call. That whole drive showed it was the running game and the penalty that slowed down the pass rush. It had nothing to do with how the QB was performing in the pocket. I never saw a response from you after that.

          Also I don’t care about winning anyone over with my points. So you take my opinions as you want because sory fans like you don’t mean squat to me.

          Also when you buy into the media btyes that distort what a player actually meant then you are the same troll as gas. Rich has clearly demonstrated that RG3s statement was taken out of context but you continue to parse out pieces of a full statement to fit your bogus narrative. Go join the Cowboys site if you don’t like being called out for your BS you stay here and stop acting like you are some victim.

        • abanig - Aug 29, 2015 at 4:32 PM

          Clap, clap, clap! Wonderful post!

        • wncskinsfan - Aug 29, 2015 at 4:26 PM

          @bangkokben speaking reason here. I totally agree. It’s too early to say that we need a new coach. Grif the coach killer apparently. We need stability. There may be a chance here to see Gruden without having to deal with Robert. Maybe let the rest of the Skins do what they do, perhaps function as a unit without all the dang QB drama. I don’t care if Cousins stinks it up . . . I am sick of all the drama. Horrible fan experience. I wish him the best of luck. both of them. but a complete house cleaning is not, at this point, sound football. There is no conspiracy here. Griffin got injured. from the same play book the other guys are using. Minimal boots for all of the QBs cus the Lions defense plays wide. simple. then they go after the pocket, which is a big problem for Robert, and he got injured. basic football. already. not even out of the pre season. I just cant see blaming that on the coaches. Shanahan actually schemed well for him and helped him land ROTY and the East, and still lost his job. This experiment is ending itself. Grif was here before Gruden, Gruden was brought in to help him, but we can’t seem to keep him on the field. or score a TD. Grudens future is now riding with Cousins. let’s give both of them a fair shot . . . . and yes, cheer for the team. so sick of all the drama and disfunction.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 29, 2015 at 4:49 PM

          You contribute to the drama by making a claim that RG3 is a coach killer. Yes ignore the fact we haven’t had a successful QB on this teams for decades before RG3 showed up. Did you not see the fact that every position on the offense went backwards under Gruden last season? That every QB struggled with his offense? Yet RG3 is the coach killer. Give me a break with you bogus assumption. This organization is it’s own enemy and the only saving grace may be the new GM.

        • TheHogs - Aug 29, 2015 at 5:33 PM

          Um, “voice of reason”, you do understand that getting rid of the “coach killer” Griffin will not do anything to change the drama or Gruden’s hot seat status if the team doesn’t win?

          I’ll say it again for the message board, and in the wins language: 3-6. The team’s record when Griffin isn’t playing, since 2012. 1-3 under Shanahan, and 2-6 under Gruden.

        • TheHogs - Aug 29, 2015 at 5:44 PM

          Typo: 3-9 record since 2012.

        • TheHogs - Aug 29, 2015 at 5:59 PM


          Easy. Team struggles to start the season; team fires the head coach Gruden; team plays well to finish the season and posts a good record. It’s not implausible.

          Also, you’re right that the Redskins have made quick personnel decisions before, and those decisions weren’t sound. But that doesn’t mean *every quick personnel decision* is unsound. If Gruden can’t coach to begin with, then hiring a new head coach now would be a rational decision. It’s no different from the reasoning given by disgruntled Redskins fans who another QB to start instead of Griffin, even though Griffin is only 25 and not even in his prime yet; and, unlike Gruden, Griffin at least has had some previous success at his respective job.

        • bangkokben - Aug 29, 2015 at 7:31 PM

          This NOT rooting for your team. That’s rooting for your way! If it’s more important that your initial reaction to Gruden is validated, fine.

        • Skulb - Aug 30, 2015 at 2:33 PM

          The Raven´s TV commentators were giggling and calling Cousins and McCoy the best and second best QB on the Redskins too. It´s not just a few Redskins vets saying this stuff.

        • bangkokben - Aug 30, 2015 at 2:39 PM

          The folks from “Charm city” have an inferiority complex with Washington and delight in anything going awry here. They are close enough to know drama but not close enough to be legitimate sources of information. Basically a Newcastle insider delighting in the failings of Rafa Benitez.

        • Skulb - Aug 30, 2015 at 2:43 PM

          Sure I get that part. But it also demonstrates that it´s definitely part of NFL lore now that Washington have it writ in stone that the third best QB has to start come hell or high water.
          Personally the only QB I could see in Baltimore who reminded me a whole lot of Griffin was Schaub. And he did not have a very good night. And it´s just an abnormal situation. That´s why there´s all this noise.

        • bangkokben - Aug 30, 2015 at 2:51 PM

          Schaub is a bigger curiosity to me, here’s a guy that seems to have just completely lost it and lost it overnight. His injury seemed to be the reason that year that Houston didn’t win the AFC and then he was THE reason that the Texans were the worst in the league. Goes to Oakland super sucks and then is handed the #2 job in Baltimore where he looked worse against Philly last week than last night – if you can believe that. Griffin hasn’t looked THAT bad – except by you, of course.

        • Skulb - Aug 30, 2015 at 2:54 PM

          Maybe I need glasses, but the Detroit game was just the pits man. “We´re got this statue here we´re fixing to give the starting QB job to. How´s that sound?” If anything Schaub looked the pro in that comparison.

        • bangkokben - Aug 30, 2015 at 3:05 PM

          You can have the last word on this. Schaub had more time and has done the same kind of performance in back to back weeks and it’s not like it’s Kerrigan and Hatcher chasing him. It’s Jeffcoat (I hope makes the team) and Kedric Golston (whom many on this blog want replaced with a box of 1970s National Geographics). It’s your comments like this comparison which make it nearly impossible for the Griffin apologists to listen to your many valid points.

        • Skulb - Aug 30, 2015 at 3:07 PM

          I don´t care what the Griffin apologists want to listen to anyway so that´s alright. They´re clearly deranged.

        • abanig - Aug 30, 2015 at 3:09 PM

          Detroit game was only one game where the redskins blocking scheme wasn’t prepared for the Lions blitzes. If Trent Williams plays, there would probably be a little more time for Griffin.

          People will always point to the Detroit preseason game whenever Griffin takes a sack just like they do with last year’s Tampa game.

          One thing is clear to me, when Griffin is in and the coaches move around the pocket more the Redskins running game is more effective. Once again last night the Redskins running game struggled against the Ravens first D and Kirk wasn’t great in the first quarter against the Ravens first team D which he would face for four quarters.

          I can seriously go any way on the skins 3 qbs. I like all the skins qbs. In evaluating them all, McCoy runs the team the best but doesn’t have the arm strength of Cousins or Griffin.

          Griffin has the most upside but it struggling transitioning to a drop back qb – understandable because it’s his second year doing it.

          Cousins is a gunslinger and I like that about him but he still makes questionable decisions. He only three one int last night, but nearly threw 3. His TD to Crowder was the luckiest play the skins may see all year.

          I think Colt gives the skins the best chance to win but can he be more than a stop gap? And if he’s the starter is the team’s ceiling always going to be mediocre.

          I think with Colt as the starter the team’s ceiling is mediocre. Therefore, Cousins or Griffin need to start.

        • Skulb - Aug 30, 2015 at 3:18 PM

          Sure but valid or not these are excuses. I can sit all day long and develop excuses for Cousins too. In the end this is a performance based activity here, and people do actually get paid millions to take part. Whatever the reason is, if you consistently do not move the offense you can not survive as an NFL starting QB. It´s just that simple.
          As for Kirk he was awful at first but then he managed to pick himself up in time: That´s been the mantra of certain people here for the last year btw, that this is something Cousins cannot possibly do because he is an “interception machine” and “once he throws an interception he starts sulking and throws more. That is a proven fact”.
          These are direct quotes from people posting right here, and I think they warrant some repetition now when Kirk clearly demonstrated that this is not the case.
          Let´s be as diligent about making excuses for Kirk as we are for Griffin and attribute the interception to the fact that Suggs is one hell of a player and suddenly Kirk looks at least serviceable.
          Whether any of the three are the right choice remains to be seen I guess. i just think Cousins has the most potential upside and Griffin the most potential downside, options, injury proneness, pocket obliviousness and a 16 million cap hit taken into consideration.
          I`m on the fence about Cousins. he´s doing some good things and some not so good things. I jumped down from the fence a long time ago on Griffin. he should not be the started in Washington for so much as one more game. It´s just not worth it anymore.

    • hail74 - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:27 AM

      I was under the impression that gruden did stop calling plays and that Mcvay does that now. Also, why this is still being misunderstood I don’t know but it’s the preseason. You work on the fundamentals that need work, for RG3 that’s being a drop back passer. Detroit was running a wide 9 with its starters, which you wouldn’t want to run bootlegs into. Lastly this whole fire gruden movement some have come to embrace. We can all agree that he inherited a lousy 3 win roster that needed a whole new defense and oline. each QB had a chance to claim the starting role and they all failed. Somehow with all that he still won 4 games in his first year. Do you know why gruden and shannahans contracts were guaranteed? Because Snyder has a reputation of firing well before a coach can actually change 20 plus years of decrepit football. The next guy will probably want 5 years fully guaranteed. Tom Landry is in the hall of fame yet he had a losing record for his first 5 years! It makes no sense to fire a coach after 2 years, particularly since the Redskins themselves have the history to show why.

      • abanig - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:29 AM

        Exactly except McVay calls the passing plays, Callahan calls the running plays.

      • gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:34 AM

        Well said Hail74!!!

  6. gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 8:27 AM

    Coach Gruden threw his challenge flag………………”upon further review” LOOOL

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:37 AM

      Stop repeating these comments! You are just trying to antagonize real fans here instead of discussing the team. This is one of the reason why you were banned from other sites.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:37 AM

      Stop repeating these comments! You are just trying to antagonize real fans here instead of discussing the team. This is one of the reason why you were banned from other sites.

      • skinsgame - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:59 AM

        Oh, the irony.

        • officialgame - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:29 AM


        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:58 AM

          It actually wasn’t intentional and I didn’t think you could duplicate comments. However for this guy it takes more than once for it to sink in. So it is ironic but also possibly necessary.

        • gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 12:53 PM

          redskinsname AKA jdhawk we all know your little games, you are only fooling yourself !

  7. colorofmyskinz - Aug 29, 2015 at 8:51 AM

    This is no surprise. We have seen the better QB, cousins. Gruden just could not find a way to convince Snyder. The fact that Gruden is pulling this bait and switch on the concussion tells me that Scot is on board. This is how a coach that was not empowered by his owner to decide who his starting QB is, chooses his starting QB. Why don’t people call it what it is? This is a fight of the head coach and GM against the owner, and they are using a medical excuse to show Snyder the better QB once they put cousins in front of the first team. Snyder is a real piece of work when it comes to RGIII. Let’s face it, RGIII could not lead a legon of ants to a baloney sandwich. Cousins is a TRUE leader. Look at the way he motivates and recognizes his fellow teammates. RGIII has half of his front line hating him. How can a QB have his line hate him? I wonder why the heat got to him in Detroit? RGIII brought much of this on and these games of placing the owner against the head coach started with Shanny? Why do you think Shanny tried to quit! Thank god Gruden found this medical excuse to bench RGIII. Let’s be real, RGIII is being benched, this was the only way Gruden could figure out how to do it.

    • Stephfan - Aug 29, 2015 at 8:54 AM

      Damn you must have the inside track? Scott said he endorses Kirk because last I heard he had more praise for griffin and thought he was a heck of a qb coming out of college

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:41 AM

      I didn’t know Gruden was a neuropsychologists. In what world do you live in that gives you the logic to think Gruden can tell a neuropsychologists to reverse a concussion clearance?

    • brucefan1 - Aug 29, 2015 at 2:29 PM

      Man, “colorofmyskins”, I thought this group had moved past using unsupported, unverifiable second/third-hand rumors & innuendo in the Griffin debate. This comment is such a setback!

      Any fair-minded reader here knows that you don’t have an ounce of real info that would support your tired stale accusations. LOL

      Try these, to improve your case from someone who knows about these things;

      Present us your evidence that this QB change is a “bait-and-switch” about a phony concussion, which the GM supports, and let us peruse it? Then let the “jury” decide.

      Show us some EVIDENCE that the coach and owner are fighting over whow is the QB should be?(a fight a coach would never win, btw). Not just your opinion, now. (Cuz like sphincters, EVERYBODY has an opinion.)

      And do tell us; WHICH linemen hate Griffin? What does all your inside intel reveal their names to be? Don’t hold back! Share! And if so, WHY do they hate him? What do your “sources” know?

      What’s your proof that the line allowed him to be sacked repeatedly last week. Did you see some secret memo about doing so, or hear some whispers when you were in the locker room? Fess up. (Please don’t say that you just SUPPOSE it to be the case! You wouldn’t do that?)

      But, if you can’t swear to actually knowing all this stuff FIRST HAND, at least tell us of a reporter who says he/she heard these claims first hand (NOT thru some “grapevine”; after all THEY are in the room. Grapevines don’t cut it) Never heard Rich or Tarik parrot ANY of your allegations, and I really trust that if they KNEW, they would report it. Don’t you? Never heard Keim say that he’d swear to any of this. Nor Mike Jones. Who, then? Who?!

      I’ll tell you who; NO ONE! None of these guys would ever put their names to such reckless allegations; they’re way too responsible.

      “Color”, can’t you see that most of the posters at REAL REDSKINS (whatever their stance) have gotten WAY past calling scurrilous, biased-based accusations “facts”, and are actually sticking to FACTS. Don’t you see that your more effective anti-Griffin posters are using real info and real stats to back their arguments (and believe me, they have plenty of good ammo just sticking to those!) Haven’t you noticed that the level of discourse here has been elevated way above your much-discredited approach of making weak, unverifiable accusations?!

      If you haven’t I suggest you do, because if you grow & evolve, maybe your arguments will carry a little more weight with the many thoughtful posters here, on all sides of this issue.

      Until then, you just damage your case by trotting out that same old weak gruel.

  8. abanig - Aug 29, 2015 at 8:52 AM

    If Cousins plays well in 3 quarters vs a very good Ravens D, I don’t know how he doesn’t get to keep the job.

    I feel bad for Griffin, but this may be it for Griffin if, “IF” Cousins has us winning after 3 quarters against the Ravens and “IF” Cousins hasn’t thrown a few ints.

    Lotta IFs

    • Stephfan - Aug 29, 2015 at 8:57 AM

      I expect Kurt to do ok he might get a touchdown but even if he gets two he won’t start the season, griffin will start. But if cousin starts he won’t be in there long and we will lose the first 4 games out the gate.

      • abanig - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:19 AM

        It all depends. If Kirk doesn’t have bad ints, the team can and will win with him. That’s just a fact.

        I want the team to win with Robert, but if he’s not available because he had his 3rd concussion – dating back to Baylor – in 5 years then, I want whomever is starting to win the Redskins games.

        As a Redskins fan, winning games is far more important than any one player.

        • gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:20 AM

          That’s right JUST WIN BABY!!!!

      • skinsgame - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:06 AM

        No way Griffin starts week 1. Not now. They’ll have to figure out a way to scheme through it as a team. It’s not like they can just plug in a different QB and expect the same results. I mean, we’re talking about the best QB in the league here.

      • Skulb - Aug 30, 2015 at 2:37 PM

        Do you really think they´ll start Griffin after two games where he couldn´t move the offense and now missing the dress rehearsal? I mean if any PS game matters this was it.

        • abanig - Aug 30, 2015 at 3:18 PM

          The game vs the Browns the Redskins moved the ball with Griffin starting. If Garçon catches that deep ball are we even having this convo?

          If Garçon Catches that pass Griffin is 5/7, 97 yds and a TD.

          The other players need to play better also and make plays for their qb, he can’t be expected to make them all.

        • Skulb - Aug 30, 2015 at 3:19 PM

          That´s also true. But again, excuses. Try making some for Cousins and see where that gets you. You get called a troll here and “irrational” is what. Excuses are only for RGIII. And that´s why he´s lost so many fans and possibly the locker room and the administration as well.

        • Stephfan - Aug 30, 2015 at 3:51 PM

          Skulb I’ve said Kirk played ok at best. He only scored because Ravens 2’s were in. Second you were proven wrong griffin has moved the ball that’s not an excuse that’s fact. You just can’t face facts that are right in your face. I bet griffin could’ve moved the ball last night had he been in. What’s Kirk exude for throwing an int or the fumble? And he couldn’t move the ball when they were losing. Kirk only moved the ball on ps against back ups. Heck going back to last season he didn’t always move the ball why? Because he is the new int king

        • Skulb - Aug 30, 2015 at 4:42 PM

          Alright pal, whatever you say. RG3 and Out is done anyway so we´re not gonna have to keep having this tedious argument. As for in king, what does this infantile thinking make Griffin? Sack emperor?

        • abanig - Aug 30, 2015 at 4:00 PM

          If it’s the truth it’s not an EXCUSE!

        • Skulb - Aug 30, 2015 at 4:44 PM

          It´s also the truth that many of Cousins`interceptions have come because he was under pressure. That´s an excuse when you use it on his behalf but “truth” when you do it on Griffin´s. That´s what I mean when I complain about double standards from the Griffin Apologist Cult on this blog. Kool-aid is not go0od for you. I don´t care how many times Jones repeats it.

        • abanig - Aug 30, 2015 at 5:35 PM

          I’m talking about dropped passes and missed blocks. I’m talking about when Trent Williams and Jordan Reed play the first team offense looks night and day vs when Willie Smith is starting at LT and your starting TE is Dixon or Hamm.

          I’m no apologist, I’m just laying out factors you have include unless you’re coming into this competition or you could just be biased.

          Some don’t want to admit when Griffin makes a good play or when a player may miss a block, drop a first down or or a touchdown. Others don’t want to admit when Cousins throws an int that it’s “sometimes” because he is pressured.

          My stance is if your pressured, you better know where you’re throwing the ball and not throw a blindside pass like it’s basketball, if you don’t see a defender you better start seeing the field better.

          You should always know where you’re throwing it, and if you don’t, just take a sack and live to fight the next down. Punting is not as bad as turning the ball over on your side of the field. That aids your team to being down 13-0 after the first quarter.

        • Skulb - Aug 30, 2015 at 5:38 PM

          I get that. But it´s still a one way street here usually. You look for them when Griffin plays but never when the backups play. I think the most important fact here is that Griffin doesn´t move his offense. And that´s his job.

        • abanig - Aug 30, 2015 at 5:49 PM

          Agree to disagree. The running game looks better when Griffin is in there. Morris had 42 yards when Griffin was the starter vs the Browns and 3 yards on only 10 carries agains then Lions.

          Morris had 4 yards against the Ravens.

          There’s no doubt Cousins is more experienced in the offense, but he offers little threat of moving outside of the pocket with a pass/run option, Griffin does. When Griffin starts to take off, things open up downfield Griffin needs to play more so he gets more comfortable keeping his eyes downfield while moving in the pocket, he can only do that by playing in games.

          When Griffin play fakes, defenses still bite hard on it and it opens up opportunities like Garcon had on the possible TD he dropped.

          The offensive play calling needs to be more diverse and mixed up no matter who the starting qb is but it seems like every time Cousins is the starting QB and going against a #1 defense, the team has very little running game and that’s a problem also.

          If you want to have a balanced offense, I still think Griffin is the qb you go with. If you want to sling it all over and average less than 4 yards a carry from our running backs, go with Cousins.

        • Skulb - Aug 30, 2015 at 6:05 PM

          I might return your sample size argument here. It´s not exactly a secret that the Ravens have a great run defense. Better than Detroit´s even. Griffin got some running going vs Cleveland but didn´t manage to get anything moving last week. To put it this way the run game, while depressingly nonexistent, was less bad against Baltimore with Cousins than it was against Detroit with Griffin.
          I never said that Cousins was perfect here. Let´s just get that straight. I have only said that he is better than Griffin by far. Not that this is difficult. most backup QBs in the NFL are better than griffin right now.

          But it´s impossible for me to support starting Griffin after his non-performances for the last year. it is not goo enough at all. I mean you make it sound like Griffin was playing a great game but then aaaaq Garcon dropped the wonderful ball. but that is not the case. he was average at best, with or without this incompletion. And then he went from average (To be generous with him) to absolutely awful the week after.
          No progress, no movement after the snap, no ability to evade pressure, no ability extend plays, 40% completion rate, doesn´t read defenses, can´t find open receivers. Who in their right mind would want this guy starting at QB for their football team? I´m starting to think you guys are Eagles fans infiltrating here or something.

  9. kenlinkins - Aug 29, 2015 at 8:58 AM

    Rich: If we take everything the fans have been told at face value (i.e. the doctors are holding RG3 out for 1 to 2 weeks) why is this a story? Shouldn’t that be the end of it? No drama, no tin hats, no story’s of back handed deals to get Cousins on the field or O-Linemen that dislike RG3, no rumors of play calling to hurt RG3, no “I just work here” statements? Why can’t the Redskins even handle a simple news release of doctors not clearing their starting QB for a preseason game without a noise level that equals a Rolling Stones concert? Something is wrong, it doesn’t add up. Why can’t RG3, Head Coach Gruden and the new GM stand up together holding hands, relaxed, joking and say “the doctors want to wait before clearing Robert to play”. Robert was very fast and forceful to explain his best QB in the NFL statement, why not as fast to put an end to this drama / noise? Or even say “before you guy starting writing story’s about (see above list) there is nothing more to this than the doctor not clearing me to play yet”. Something is not right here, I do not know what is wrong, but when you know 2+2=4 and someone shows you the answer is 3, don’t you have to question it? Maybe it is as simple as the coach and RG3 not liking each other, maybe something more, but you are correct, CLARITY as been more than just elusive, it may be visiting Elvis “out of the building”. The Redskins have made NO progress in this area.

    • ET - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:24 AM

      Once again, all excellent questions, Ken.

      The Skins front office has handled this badly. The concussion protocol is in place and very clear about the need for clearance by an independent neurologist. It shouldn’t be a matter of controversy or conspiracy at all. It’s a good policy. But the front office FUBARed this by declaring Robert ready to play before he’d progressed through every part of the protocol. Stupid move by the front office.

  10. redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:48 AM

    There has to be some concern about this reversal of a concussion clearance unless it is to be assumed this is another gaff by the organization that prematurely reported him good to play. This whole “further scrutiny” of the data by neuropsychologists leads me to wonder if there is not more to the issue than what is normally found in a concussion. If not then some experts overlooked something.

    I’m not conspiring like some here but leaving open the question of what exactly was this data that wasn’t found when he was cleared initially? Is it concussion related or something more? If I was RG3 I’d be asking the neuropsychologists these types of questions.

  11. TheHogs - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:49 AM

    Rich Tandler wrote: “If he plays poorly, fans and the media will rightly wonder if the team can even match the four wins they got last year.”

    “Rightly”? These people do remember that this is the NFL *preseason*, right?

    • bangkokben - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:36 AM

      Preseason? That’s where the records don’t count but we can extrapolate the season’s success or failure from a handful of the 1st team’s vanilla plays, right?

      • TheHogs - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:48 AM

        Given decades of NFL team data, nope. And, even though we only have preseason data for QBs from 2009, it’s been shown that the preseason is meaningless for them, too.

  12. gonavybeatarmy - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:53 AM

    We have no way of knowing what’s really going on or what meetings and conversations may be taking place. But this may be becoming less about who’s better, and more about what’s the bigger long-term risk to the organization.

    As much as they may like him, Snyder, Allen, McCloughan, Schaffer and Schrieber along with team attorneys MAY have been spooked by the injury sustained by Griffin in the Detrot preseason game, and now concluding that a subsequent injury is likely and that the risk just isn’t worth it. If another injury to Griffin were to occur, the Skins may be on the hook for the option they exercised earlier this year, which would mean that approximately 11% of next year’s cap- or one out of every nine cap dollars- would be allocated to Griffin next season, triggering unimaginable cap consequences for an organization that just recently escaped a major penalty imposed for violating the salary cap.

    There is zero long-term risk to playing Cousins or McCoy. The risk to playing Griffin is catastrophic.

    • skinsgame - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:18 AM

      I’d bet the unnecessary comment, “I just work here.” got the attention of the front office too.

      • abanig - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:44 AM

        To quote him correctly, he said, “As “we” say, I just work here man.”

        So, my thought process is when he and the guys are chatting in the lookeroom about what’s going on with the HC or whatever, they say “I don’t know, I just work here man.”

        All of the players who heard it were probably laughing their asses off!

        • brucefan1 - Aug 29, 2015 at 3:11 PM

          So right, ab.

          He was smiling and laughing as he said that, using in the most harmless manner, like the common old saw that it is.

          Imo, only someone how wanted to read a “dig” into that phrase (and we know they’re out there) would do so!

          And, oddly enough, I don’t think the Skins’ FO fits into that group. (Surprise!, huh? LOL)

          Nah, gullible me … I’m just gonna believe that the reason they gave is the real one. Not into conspiracy theories any more than I’m into baseless speculation. ;^}

      • ET - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:49 AM

        I wholeheartedly applaud Robert for saying that.

        If the front office wants to muzzle him (regardless of what one thinks about his various controversial statements over the years), Robert should make snarky comments like that freely and often, IMO.

        • kenlinkins - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:29 AM

          If I am the CEO and I hear something like that, it tells me something is wrong and the managers are not getting my message of change across or there s a lack of understanding of how we as a team will reach our goals or a lack of trust! It is a real RED FLAG that I should get to the bottom of ASAP! It tells me it is time to start digging.

        • abanig - Aug 29, 2015 at 2:02 PM

          It’s no secret that Redskins have leaks inside their building. Very free teams have had the circus that the redskins have had over the past 16 years. Some of the beat reporters get way, way too much information. Particularly ones who don’t like Snyder and Allen like Jason Reid.

          I’m not sure what’s going on there but someone leaks info constantly that they shouldn’t to snakes like Reid.

        • TheHogs - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:42 AM

          You would also be a lousy CEO. If you’re that easily offended by those type of comments, then managing a company isn’t your thing.

          You’re not supposed to get everyone to like you, or seek to shut up every single comment made by others that aren’t glowing opinions of the CEO.

        • kenlinkins - Aug 29, 2015 at 12:02 PM

          I never said I wanted people to like me, my concern was about the “buy in” of everyone. If the wrong actions were taken by managers it required correction to gain buy in, if the message caused mistrust it could be cleared up,and if the work force just didn’t want to change they could be let go. I have done all three and never concerned my self with being liked, just getting the best team work and best results without making people feel like I came from the “Klingon school of management”.

        • TheHogs - Aug 29, 2015 at 12:18 PM

          And you’re going crazy over “buy in” because of a silly comment about “just working here”?

          Here’s the thing: people talk. That’s what happens all the time at businesses, and they’re hardly always warm and fuzzy comments.

        • kenlinkins - Aug 29, 2015 at 1:08 PM

          The comment was “We in the room lock room ***” Not “I” , so RG3 was talking about 2 or more people. Lack of “Buy In” is a major cause for failure at any business. If there is just reason for that talk any good manager would find out the cause and correct it, not allow it to continue. If that comment came from someone in a leadership position I would be very disappointed that they had not yet come to someone to try and correct the problem he was so concerned with that he felt he had to be talking about it. If it was something minor, then why would they be talking about it at all? Your believe that team members have a right to talk about problems without action to help improve the subject in question is how things become worst, not better. In this case, there is either something wrong in the Redskins locker room or the talk is part of the problem. I do not how which but I do know what there is a problem that requires correction.

        • abanig - Aug 29, 2015 at 3:06 PM

          I think it’s two fold:

          1. The Redskins do have a split lockeroom

          2. Gruden doesn’t have the voice to unite the lockeroom

          Making comments to the media like he made last year about several different players – DJax, Griffin and Hatcher – makes players feel like you don’t have their back.

          I’ve thought for over a year that Gruden needed to be more like Gibbs. Gruden needed to and needs to take the blame, not deflect it, even if it wasn’t his fault. He needs to act as though there is no divide between him and any player. He needs to act like their all in it together. Gruden certainly didn’t do that last year and until he does he’s going to have a faction of players who don’t believe in him and don’t have his back.

        • TheHogs - Aug 29, 2015 at 1:22 PM

          kenlinkins posted: “Lack of “Buy In” is a major cause for failure at any business.”

          Actually, it’s the lack of *ably performing your job*. Anyone can talk about “buy in”. Or maybe you prefer employees that always talk nicely about “buy in” but can’t do the work, over employees that don’t talk nicely about “buy in” but can be counted upon every time to do the work?

        • kenlinkins - Aug 29, 2015 at 1:33 PM

          Agree to disagree, enjoy the game tonight.

        • brucefan1 - Aug 29, 2015 at 3:19 PM

          So I guess you didn’t actually see that presser, huh … otherwise you couldn’t honestly claim that.

          That a look at it now, and if you’re fair-minded you’ll see that there was nothing”snarky” about.


        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 29, 2015 at 4:07 PM

          Thanks Bruce for the video. What I saw was a starting QB trying to be a genuine as possible while cautious with his statements. It’s a media lynching on this kid that is being aided by some pretty cynical fans.

        • gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 5:31 PM

          bruce maybe you can teach Robert to keep his mouth shut and tell him his actions speak louder than words :)

    • gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:26 AM


      I asked Rich just a few day ago to outline the RISK vs REWARD with Robert’s contract….Now this just throws another wrench into an already big mess!!

    • kenlinkins - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:48 AM

      Interesting point about the attorneys position on injury / carry over effect / $16 million could already be in play. Now if the Redskins could just get the attorneys to figure out how to start winning again!

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:41 AM

      I have to admit it is a very plausible scenario. This is a well thought out comment.

  13. mr.moneylover - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:04 AM

    I hate that rg3 get blame for everything…jay gruden told dan synder and bruce allen that he can fix rg3 to get the head coach job and I say that should be jay gruden lifeline as a head coach…the NFL said they gonna investigate whats really going on around redskins park because word is rg3 shouldn’t even had been on the practice field 72 hours after the hit he took… if I was the head coach and care about my players I wouldve told rg3 to go home and rest …they said if robert Griffin wouldve rest and not been in the heat practicing he wouldve pass his concussion test …and this goes back to my point jay gruden dont make the right decisions for his players and dont know how to adjust to certain situations

  14. jscx3 - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:53 AM

    It’s all on kc now. This is the best thing for the team. Griffin can’t get hurt if he doesn’t play so they are off the hook for contract. Cousins can either show us that he is legit or we need to keep,looking. This is grudens last chance. He failed with griffin and now he has 1 more chance. I think he is gone. In my eyes this team has not responded to him at all. The gm will get his man. Watch the d this year. Even without galette, can’t miss what we never had. Let some of the young guys get a chance.

  15. gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 1:57 PM

    Well it looks like it maybe the end to RG3 and the Redskins …..

    from Ed Werder

    “one #NFL source who knows #Washington GM Scot McCloughan well says he’s determined to change team culture and must move on from @RGIII”

    • TheHogs - Aug 29, 2015 at 2:23 PM

      Did RGIII cause the team culture? If I remember correctly, the Redskins were laughingstocks well before Griffin learned how to throw a football. And, for those of you who use team wins for performance, the Redskins have been 3-9 in regular-season games that Griffin hasn’t played in. They have also been garbage under almost every QB and every coaching staff not named Gibbs, outside of one Turner season and one Shanahan season.

      Enjoy finding your scapegoats, Scot.

      • abanig - Aug 29, 2015 at 3:47 PM

        But, but RgIII Wanted to play in the second half against the Seahawks and Shanahan had to play him because it’s what Robert wanted. Robert and Addidas ran a campaign saying he was all in for week 1 and that’s the reason Mike Shanahan had to start him. Don’t you know that Robert tells the coaches what plays to run and the coaches have no power! Robert plays OL, special teams and defense. It’s clearly all Robert’s fault….

        I wish there was an eye roll here because I’d have about 20 of them.

        This organization does NOT have good management and it hasn’t since Jack Kent Cooke started to get sick in the mid 90s. It didn’t just start when Snyder came in 99. The Redskins have been a laughing stock of the NFL since 94.

        Marty would have been the leader we needed but a young dan Snyder got mad and fired him, he’s admitted that was a mistake. An older Gibbs from 04-07 was a leader again but didn’t want to have to deal with the workload of the NFL anymore, and the death of Sean Taylor hit him hard, maybe harder than anything in his life.

        Snyder messed up again by choosing to keep his yes man – Vinny Cerrato – over giving Greg Williams the HC job in 08.

        Snyder again messed up in 2010 by giving Mike Shanahan too much power, there’s no doubt in my mind Snyder had too much on his plate form 2010-2013. Snyder allowed Allen to have all the control in the 2014 offseason and Allen screwed it up with bad PR and hiring a head coach who just doesn’t seem ready to be an NFL HC in the NFL.

        Maybe McCloughan can fix all of this is he truly is allowed to be in charge of all the football operations for the Redskins, but it’s going to take several years.

        • kenlinkins - Aug 29, 2015 at 5:48 PM

          With the owner just signing a $32 million check for T. Williams, maybe just maybe he will not be so quick to fire the GM and or Head Coach, which would cost him about another $50 million check.

    • abanig - Aug 29, 2015 at 3:09 PM

      The mismanagement of Griffin has been worse than the mismanagement of the end of McNabb’s tenure. The GM/Owner need to hold a press conference, not leave everyone out in limbo about what’s really going on.

    • brucefan1 - Aug 29, 2015 at 3:24 PM

      How come we need an outsider like Werder to “tell” us what the local guys should already know — in spades, gasbag14?

      When it come from the keyboards of guys like Rich & Tark, I’ll give it REAL credence.

      • gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 3:48 PM

        Bruce all you do is run around calling names go, blow your hot air elsewhere and enjoy the game tonight :)

  16. Dee Schumann - Aug 29, 2015 at 1:57 PM

    I’ve thought for a long time that rg3 was nothing like quarterbacks into a long term the reason being that he has suffered injuries and it doesn’t look like things will change he kind of reminds me of the serenity prayer will you make the decision in and come to the conclusion that nothing more can be done.

    It seems also that he is not able to accept responsibilities for not making the plays he needs to make and are not accepting with thanks and he doesn’t know how to avoid getting hit. Over the last few days it has become apparent that he won’t accept where he have some things they have created problems for himself and the team. It appears that he wants to be critical of the line and other people for the problems that he is experiencing. I’m not a psychiatrist but it does appear to me that he is somewhat narcissistic and if this is true it is unlikely that he will be able to accept his responsibility in any failures. If I am correct nothing will change in regard to how he responds and he will “need” and he will continue to explain himself. He is who he is and in the words of the “Serenity Prayer” and acknowledge that change is not possible and it is time to “have the wisdom to know the difference”.

    I also know that in looking at the statistics over the first couple of games that neither McCoy or Cousins suffered the same problems experienced by RG III when facing defensses. Granted he was allegedly facing the other team’s #1 defense, but if McCoy or Cousins couldn’t read the defense, review the options and realease the ball quickly they would have suffered the same fate.

    I do feel bad for RGlll and I hope that there’s a team where his skill set will work and he will be successful.

  17. kenlinkins - Aug 29, 2015 at 3:03 PM

    Rich: there are a ton of rumors flying around today about RG3 and the Redskins. I haven’t seen this much noise in a long time. Is this the price fans pay as so called reporters try and drive clicks to a site or as someone who has been around Redskins Park for a while do you feel something has changed? (or should us Redskins fans just sit back and wait for the kick off tonight?)

    • gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 3:49 PM

      Ken at this point all we can do is wait to see what comes out of all this and enjoy the game tonight!

      • kenlinkins - Aug 29, 2015 at 4:07 PM

        I think you are 100% correct gasngo14, I for one have heard enough crazy stuff for one day (not on here, this has been one of the more calm sites).

  18. redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 29, 2015 at 4:16 PM

    Redskins sign Trent Williams to a 5 year deal! This is very good news about the team for once.

    • gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 4:52 PM

      as long as Scot M is allowed to do his job i believe we are headed in the right direction for a change!

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 29, 2015 at 5:01 PM

        That’s one thing we can both agree on at this point

      • abanig - Aug 29, 2015 at 5:14 PM

        Albert Breer said Gruden is empowered to make the call on the starter for week 1.

    • bangkokben - Aug 29, 2015 at 5:03 PM

      Here! Here! or is Hear! Hear! ? How about Huzzah! Good news. I agree.

      Some here (I won’t say names because I don’t remember) will not be happy with the terms making Trent the highest paid o-linemen in the league and guaranteeing $40M+ but that’s the cost for elite left tackles – which he is.

      Now the question is whether we need to see the $60 million dollar man play tonight.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 29, 2015 at 5:11 PM

        I don’t know how the team wouldn’t grant him that salary. I’m also happy it was done quickly. Is TW better than Joe Thomas? Maybe not as consistent or durable as he is but there is no player on this team I’d put ahead of TW as a must need player That includes all of our current QBs. I still feel his best days are ahead of him so it’s a great value signing. As much as I don’t care for Bruce Allen, this goes to his credit for getting the contract done.

        • kenlinkins - Aug 29, 2015 at 5:44 PM

          I was a bit shocked at the numbers. By giving him a very high signing bonus now ($32 million) and about $44 million “real” money they can keep his cap number at about $11 million a year and if they have to cut him in year 4 or 5 that number doesn’t jump and place the Redskins in Cap hell. This was a nice way to reduce the over all dollars (i.e. $66 million) and reduce his cap number this year by a nice number (which rolls over to next year). The only person hurt is the owner who has to pony up about $40 million in 2015 out of his pocket. Great job by whoever came up with this deal as it signs the best player on the team at a nice discount and beats the NFL Cap number to some degree. I LIKE IT!

  19. gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 6:59 PM

    Lets hope we see some great football tonight and please let it be injury free. HTTR!

  20. goback2rfk - Aug 29, 2015 at 7:17 PM

    I was thinking something more like 3 years 26 million.

    • bangkokben - Aug 29, 2015 at 7:30 PM

      nuts! Why would a guy making avg $12M/year since being a rookie take such a pay cut after starting 3 pro-bowls and playing through injury?

      • kenlinkins - Aug 29, 2015 at 8:15 PM

        Because he get a $32 million check for just signing his today instead of waiting to get it a little bit at a time of the next 5 years. If he just invests that $32 million from day one, just think what it is worth in 5 years. (Hint: Close to double).

        • bangkokben - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:22 PM

          Ken, I was referring to goback’s three year $26M suggestion. Trent’s rookie contract was 5 years $60M. Today’s contract is good for both the player and the team.

  21. gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:11 PM

    not only a TD but also a 2 min drill TD to beat their #1s

    • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:29 PM

      Their #1s were only in for a quarter and a half. Didn’t you notice Suggs And Smith missing and Shaun was the QB?

      • Stephfan - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:32 PM

        Everyone noticed but that guy.. But he threw an int and fumbled the ball smh

        • gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:43 PM

          kirk this preseason 40-53 passes completed for 355 yds 2 pass tds 1rush td and 1 pick

          do you need to see rgmes stats?

        • Stephfan - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:45 PM

          He has no ints and that’s a small ass sample size. Kirk has played way more snaps so that’s irrelevant but put it up. But Kirk isn’t the answer

        • gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:45 PM

          he did not lose the fumble and have a fake concussion either :))

        • Stephfan - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:47 PM

          Wow that’s all you got but Kirk looked horrible didn’t u say that? So shut up I’m done with your fake Redskins fan tail

        • gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:50 PM

          step Cousins looked more poised on that 2 min drive than RG3 has since his rookie year.

        • Stephfan - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:51 PM

          Against backups

        • gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:51 PM

          step please don’t put words in others mouth ..I never said such !

        • gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:53 PM

          against backups …thats all you can say? who’s the fake fan? maybe you cause all i see from you is a rgme fan!

          I JUST WANT TO WIN BABY!!!!!

        • Stephfan - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:55 PM

          I’m a fan of the team period but I laugh at people like you who boost Kirk up then go back n say just win. But he threw an int n fumbled? And finally scored against backups again? That’s facts

        • gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:59 PM

          steph he has shown he commands this O better it’s not rocket science !

      • TheHogs - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:55 PM

        Stephfan and gasngo14, the preseason is meaningless. Doesn’t matter who is starting at QB; putting stock in preseason performance is incredibly naive.

        • gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:00 PM

          go tell that to 60 plus players trying to make the roster!

        • TheHogs - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:13 PM

          You’re right actually, preseason is meaningful for *those* players. But we know that’s not what you truly care about.

        • gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:17 PM

          hogs i do care about the entire team not just one player like so many here:)

        • TheHogs - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:21 PM

          That’s cool. But what I said about the QBs still stands.

        • gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:23 PM

          what did you say about the QBs?

        • TheHogs - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:44 PM

          That their preseason performances are meaningless.

          Unless you’re trying to make the team (which Cousins or Griffin aren’t trying to do), the preseason means nothing. That means comparing QB numbers, arguing about who the better QB is based on preseason games, etc. is silly.

        • gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:47 PM

          well hogs IMHO this game was probably Kirk biggest game for his career so i will agree to disagree :)

        • TheHogs - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:54 PM

          And I respect your right to do that. Doesn’t mean what you said is correct, though.

        • gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:59 PM

          Ditto :)

        • TheHogs - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:15 PM

          If these games are meaningful, then prove it. I can support my position with years of evidence — large sample sizes, not just cherry-picking certain QBs — regarding QB performance in the preseason and then the regular season; which show that no one should get excited over what a QB does or doesn’t do in the preseason. Preseason performance does not predict regular season performance well. Can you provide evidence to the contrary?

        • TheHogs - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:21 PM

          That is, sufficient evidence?

        • gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:48 PM

          Hogs the way i see it in our QB situation it’s not about this preseason, it’s about what QB commands this O better since it has been installed by our new coach. The facts are starring you in the face as to who does, and to top it all off there is a 16 million cap hit for a certain player who has not improved one bit. It’s time to right the ship and our organization has to make the tough call. IMHO Rob needs to play more of a spread O not a more traditional O …but Rob himself says he wants to be a pocket QB , now we have a coach who plays to that scheme and Rob has not improved at all? So what is the answer do you change coaches AGAIN and take the Risk with the cap hit or do you move on …What is the RISK vs REWARD for the team as a whole ? If rob was not so injury prone and has shown some improvements maybe but he honestly has not. I am a fan of this team NOT just one player:)

        • TheHogs - Aug 30, 2015 at 12:34 AM

          That’s better, but you still have the issue of small sample sizes. Since the 2014 regular season, in which Gruden became the Redskins’ head coach and installed his offense, these are the full games played by each QB:

          Griffin 7
          Cousins 5
          McCoy 3

          A QB needs about 10 games at the least for the numbers to have *any* significance; ideally, a QB should play the entire season. Fluke performance stretches happen in the NFL, a lot.

    • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:31 PM

      We actually didn’t play good at all against their1s

    • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:33 PM

      Gonna be a long season no matter who is back there

  22. gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:46 PM

    It was nice to see a QB make adjustments at the line to help his team !!

  23. gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:57 PM

    Jackson Jeffcoat playing very well !

  24. kenlinkins - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:52 PM

    Anyone have the odds on the first question in the Head Coach’s presser? I have it even money on “Who is the starting QB of the Redskins now?”

    • gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:57 PM


  25. gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:59 PM

    B Mitch tells it like i see it and is why i asked Rich about his thoughts on the RISK vs REWARD with RG3
    Here is the link

  26. gasngo14 - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:15 PM

    Not only does Kirk command the O better he also commands the Press conference …

    # Press conference Pro-Bowler.

    • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:39 PM

      Wow what kind of Child are you? Cousins did make a couple plays but he also was in effective against the ones. Just like RG3. That’s not on him as much as it is the Oline. they were getting blowed up. there was a interception a fumble and he made some questionable throws and inaccurate ones. He did a Great job getting rid of the ball even though he was gonna take a big hit. the throw into double coverage was a bad decision that worked out But that Throw was on the money. Hit the WR in the hands. I wish they would have played McCoy against the ones also so we could have gotten an even comparison against the ones for all 3 QBs.

  27. goback2rfk - Aug 29, 2015 at 11:49 PM

    There is no competition. RG3 will be back and if it is not in the 1st week he will definitely be starting week 2.
    Cousins and McCoy are both just decent back ups and not really starter material. Basically, the Redskins do not have a true starter at QB on the team. We have 3 back ups. Archives

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