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Need to Know: Has Redskins QB Cousins shaken his interception problems?

Aug 28, 2015, 5:24 AM EDT


Here is what you need to know on this Friday, August 26, one day before the Washington Redskins play the Baltimore Ravens.

Has Cousins shaken his interception problems?

A year ago in training camp, many analysts who caught just a glimpse of practice left believing that Kirk Cousins was the superior quarterback in camp, better than starter Robert Griffin III. Cousins was dropping back and getting rid of the ball in rhythm while Griffin was hesitating, pumping, and generally looking very unsure of himself.

What those who were in Richmond covering the team on a daily basis knew, however, was that Cousins was fool’s gold to an extent. He would throw very confidently but all too frequently into the arms of a defensive back or linebacker. Griffin did not look nearly as smooth but he was much better at protecting the ball.

When Cousins got his chance to play after Griffin was injured early in Week 2, the interception bug came back to bite him. In six games and 204 pass attempts he threw nine interceptions. His interception rate of 4.4 percent was almost two percentage points worse than the league average of 2.5 percent, although there should be a small sample size warning here.

Other than the interceptions, Cousins played pretty well. He completed 61.8 percent of his passes (just below the league average of 62.6 percent) for an impressive 8.4 yards per attempt (the league average was 7.2).

His inability to protect the ball, however, landed him permanently on the bench at halftime of his fifth start. He didn’t get into another game the rest of the year.

Fast forward through eight months of offseason work on his own, under Jay Gruden’s brother Jon, and in OTAs, minicamp, and training camp. How has he done in correcting his biggest flaw?

“He hasn’t thrown many [interceptions] this camp,” said Gruden. “He’s improved on the turnover issue very much so through OTAs and training camp and preseason games. We’re impressed with the progress that Kirk has made very much. He’s done a great job.”

Most observing practice would concur with Gruden’s assessment, although it should be noted that he was working mostly against second- and third-team defenders and playing with backup players on offense. Of course, he was in the same situation last year and threw many more interceptions.

Cousins has yet to throw an interception in 26 preseason attempts this year. But let’s add the preseason warning to the sample size warning.

Cousins and Colt McCoy are battling it out to be the No. 2 quarterback behind Griffin. That is more important that most backup QB competitions around the league given that Griffin is prone to injury and that there is a very real possibility that he will be benched at some point during the season.

If Cousins had indeed improved at ball protection could he be an option for the Redskins for the long term or at least as a bridge until a franchise quarterback can be found? Perhaps, but we will need to see him passing the test against first team defenders in full speed games.

Should he beat out McCoy for the backup job we could get that chance.


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  1. abanig - Aug 28, 2015 at 5:29 AM

    Won’t know until he plays against starters which may happen at some point during the regular season but I don’t believe it will happen within the first month. The earliest Cousins gets a chance to start week 5, but most likely it won’t be till the second half of the season if we aren’t close to a winning record at the bye week.

    • Stephfan - Aug 28, 2015 at 5:37 AM

      I hope Robert says in we need to see him play the entire year

      • abanig - Aug 28, 2015 at 6:19 AM

        I do also, but if the team is 1-6 at the bye week, how do you justify to the rest of the team that Robert should be starting the next 9 games?

        • Stephfan - Aug 28, 2015 at 6:36 AM

          Hey we’re were 3-6 at the bye week one before and look how that turned out now if we are 1-6 cause griffin that I might change my tune but I personally think that it won’t all be because of griffin. If the online doesn’t get it together and the pass defense don’t act right it could be in them. What if we are 1-6 but griffin has moved us into positions to win.

        • abanig - Aug 28, 2015 at 6:49 AM

          Yeah, it depends on how he’s playing and what the lockeroom is like.

          If after 7 games, Robert has thrown for over 1600 yds, 7 to 10 tds and has 5 or less ints then he could stay in if the team is 1-6 but it will be dicey.

          The problem with signing all these vets or trading for them when you don’t have a developed qb is the lockeroom can lose faith real quick if the team isn’t winning games, just like what happened last year when we just weren’t winning with Cousins in.

        • sidepull - Aug 28, 2015 at 6:41 AM

          You are correct. There are other personalities on that team who probably would not tolerate, and struggle with losing. Thats a dilemma. RG3 needs a full season of work. Even if he needs to go through the process of picking himself off the ground, and trying to resurrect the season in the midst of dealing with the media and fans calling for his head( and Grudens probably). Stay the course. Lets see what happens when the season begins in earnest and that is not tomorrow nights preseason game. His NFL life does not depend on that preseason game as some are reporting.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 10:59 AM

          The biggest question mark IMO changed from his development to the coach hired in 2014. Gruden seems to be toxic for RG3’s career. Shanahan now looks like Lombardi when compared to the leadership Gruden provides. This is why I’m place so much blame on this organization. It wasn’t just RG3 that may have suffered by Gruden’s arrival last season. The running game went south and every QB starter fell apart under Gruden’s leadership or better stated lack there of. If this season goes bad early then the best thing to do is first remove Gruden from the equation and then see how things change on offense and overall for this team.

        • abanig - Aug 28, 2015 at 1:03 PM

          A lot of people feel that way and I lean in that direction except I did want Shanahan gone because he’s always been a dick to his qbs.

          I wanted Bevell hired because he’s been able to groom Wilson into a good qb.

        • ET - Aug 28, 2015 at 3:15 PM

          It’s pretty difficult to argue that Shanny The Elder wasn’t toxic toward the end of the 2013 season. He clearly wanted to get out of town, and didn’t mind lying, leaking, and benching to do so.

          That said, he did have some successes. Paired with a decent GM and a non-meddlesome owner, I suspect his tenure would’ve gone much more smoothly.

        • abanig - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:00 AM

          I think Shanahan was involved with all the moves the skins made win the roster he was hired and he had final say if they happened or not.

          Shanahan was mad at Snyder and took if out on Griffin imho. He was frustrated that Griffin wasn’t playing well but his true anger was at Snyder but Shanahan couldn’t do anything insubordinate and then risk being paid for the rest of his contract.

          So, he could do what he was authorized to do and bench Griffin despite the fact that the final 3 defenses were much worse than the Chiefs defense but Shanahan chose to try to prove that Cousins was better as a finger in the eye to Snyder, how’d that work out?

          Where’s our 2014 first round pick in exchange for Cousins that Shanahan talked about the week after he benched Griffin?

          Interestingly enough Cousins average ypg the final 3 weeks of 2013 were 249 yds a game, you telling me Griffin could do that and throw half the ints Kirk did in that time frame?

          Heck, I think we would have beat the Flacons if Griffin had started. I also think if Griffin had played and threw for 249 yds, 3 or 4 tds and just 1 or 2 ints the final 3 games of 2013 that Griffin would have had more confidence going into 2014 and confidence is everything for Griffin and his play as a qb.

          That happens, and Griffin has these stats in 2013:

          62%, 3950 yds, 20 TDs and 15 ints.

          If he did that on a rehabbed leg with no offseason reps, aren’t we all blaming Gruden more for wrecking Griffin than what we currently are?

        • Johnny B. - Aug 28, 2015 at 6:31 PM

          I see a#1 draft pick next year if they leave Rg in.

        • abanig - Aug 28, 2015 at 7:28 PM

          Nah, only if we start Cousins will we win 1-2 games.

          If Griffin starts somehow we’ll play good enough and control the ball enough to win a hand full a games at worst.

          I mean just think about it, we won 4 games last year with a horrible special teams that cost us a few games and defense attributed to us losing a game or to also.

          Now, this year I think we’ve fixed those issues on special teams and the defense looks to be better at least on paper and from what we’ve seen in scheme and tackling this preseason. I think that work a win or two, the defense may even carry this team this year.

      • buztones - Aug 28, 2015 at 6:51 AM

        I’ve enough of Robert for a lifetime. He should be cut and sent on his way (along with the drama an slogans)

        • brucefan1 - Aug 28, 2015 at 1:19 PM

          Awww … just when “ab”, “name”, “sidepull”, “Stephfan” were having such an intelligent, thoughtful debate, “buztone”s kind of mindless tripe rears its imbecilic head again!

          It DOES add SO much to the conversation does it not?! LOL! (Kinda like that guy who posts the “fart” noises here! Phew!)

          But if that’s what we have to endure in order to be treated to the reasonable arguments, then it’s “c’est la vie”, I guess. ;^}

    • bowlregard - Aug 28, 2015 at 2:05 PM

      In week 1 if the Skins are scoreless at halftime you could see the switch right then. In the regular season it’s about winning games.

      • abanig - Aug 28, 2015 at 4:02 PM

        If that’s the case you’d start Cousins in the first half and bench him for the second half because Cousins crumples under the pressure in the second half…

  2. Stephfan - Aug 28, 2015 at 5:36 AM

    I’m just tired of all this quarterback talk. We know cousin is the back up or will be and we know he throws interceptions. Has he shaken that heck no. Because in almost every report I have read he has thrown at least one. And I for one can’t see him starting unless injury. I hope the skins keep Robert in there even if we have a losing record or he has bad play. Also lets count in the fact that the defense has to hold up to win any qb some games. Instead of benching Robert we need to leave him in and see what we got but at best Kirk is a bridge qb until we find one. Just because hasn’t thrown an interception in the preseason means nothing… Robert hasn’t either as well. All I’m saying is it’s preseason Kirk is supposed to lol good against backups. If not than why have him on the team. I do like Kirk but I’m tired of him hiving away games..

    • Herowing83 - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:03 AM

      I think Cousins could be a great Qb if given a real chance. If Cousins had been given all of the time and resources that Griffin has had we might not even be having this discussion right now!

      Cousins came in the same draft and so did Russell Wilson in the 3rd Round. The Seahawks paid big-time for that Qb from Green bay packers and they never used him because they trusted their eyes and has the guts to play the BEST LOOKING guy in camp. Now they have won two Super Bowls. We gotta have the Guts to move on from RG3 and see what we really have with Cousins.

      I’m starting to wonder if we are purposely trying to talk this season for draft picks!!!

      • abanig - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:10 AM

        1-9 as a starter

        Let me ask you this, if Griffin was 1-9 as a starter in his first 10 games would you want him to be the qb?

        If the team doesn’t win games with Griffin the first 1/2 of the year they should go to Kirk but not yet.

        It’s not Robert’s fault the Shanahan’s screwed Kirk by drafting him in the same draft that Mike Shanahan traded up for Robert and took him second overall with a smile on his face like a kid at a candy store.

        • redskinsfan1982 - Aug 28, 2015 at 12:20 PM

          1-9 as a starter yes, but Cousins has always been filling in for an injured RG3 and knew he had to play absolutely lights out to keep the job and even then he probably wouldn’t. If he was given the entire offseason to prepare knowing that he was the unquestioned starter it might be a different story, but we will never now. His problem is he forced things and tried to hard to prove he deserved the job and he has admitted as much saying he was forcing things and trying to hard. If he was given the support and knew the job was his I think he would cut down on the INT’s and not force things or try to hard to win the game on his own to prove his worth.

        • abanig - Aug 28, 2015 at 7:12 PM

          Cousins had the first team reps the entire 2013 offseason when Griffin was hurt. He’s probably had more actual reps in practice that Griffin has since Griffin hurt his knee.

      • bangkokben - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:05 AM

        Did I miss the headline?

        Goodell Vacates Patriots SB Victory: Seahawks Win!

        I’m not sure if Seahawk fans now rejoice that they “have won two Super Bowls,” or feel hollow for how they got the victory.

        And for my last bit of being the ‘super’ snarkiest..
        In case you lost power with the Seahawks on the goal line in the final seconds, they didn’t run Marshawn Lynch! Instead, they threw an interception and LOST the super bowl.

        • abanig - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:18 AM


          Add to that Russell Wilson doesn’t play special teams or defense. Wilson may have won a few more games than Griffin the past two years, but they weren’t a playoff roster

    • Johnny B. - Aug 28, 2015 at 6:33 PM


      • Stephfan - Aug 28, 2015 at 7:24 PM

        In what games was he picked off not in this preseason

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:04 PM

        Maybe in practice this year! Use those all caps when you have facts to provide instead of fiction.

      • gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:14 PM

        RG3 won’t have any turnovers this week……lol

        Never seen a player cleared and then not cleared by the Docs …… always a first with the Skins and RG3!!!

  3. colorofmyskinz - Aug 28, 2015 at 6:31 AM

    Can’t really fault Kirk for some of those interceptions. When you are down by 14-21 points in the 4th Q, the mindset is try to hit the home run Hail Mary on every play to make up the difference. When you have special teams leaving in the worst field position in the NFL, and the worst defense and pass protection in the NFL, it kind of places the entire game on connecting with Hail Marys.

    I think his interception bug flys away when we have reasonable field position and a defense that can keep points off the board.

    Late forth quarter interceptions when you are down 14-21 point really don’t count, and neither do the stats achived for running backs during those situations. A la, running on 3rd and 25 and taking a 20 yard gain for a run. Does not count. A worthless 20 yard gain with 3 in the box and 8 pass defenders.

    Junks stats peeps…

    • Stephfan - Aug 28, 2015 at 6:39 AM

      Please he wasn’t always down by that much. Only one game really. The titians game we weren’t and he coughed it up. The Eagles game was the one the defense gave away and let’s not forget the cardinals game. We were down by 7 I think n he coughed it up twice on consecutive drives

      • abanig - Aug 28, 2015 at 6:53 AM

        If we were down 14-21 points when Cousins was in, it was generally due to his bad turnovers which had the defense defending extremely short fields.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 11:05 AM

      That’s is not how over 90% of Cousins games played out. Now this is what you call and excuse lacking very little fact.

  4. buztones - Aug 28, 2015 at 6:54 AM

    I would much rather invest the time and effort into making Kirk a better QB than suffer through one more Self serving press conference from RGME His lack of self awareness is amazing and aggravating at the same time. I would much rather tolerate Kirk trying to improve than listen to Robert explain how it is everyone else fault.

    • Stephfan - Aug 28, 2015 at 7:03 AM

      So him saying that he needed to get better in yesterday’s press conference is bad? His saying the offense needs to get better is bad? Come on everyone knows the offense needs to get better he is stateing the obvious

    • abanig - Aug 28, 2015 at 7:24 AM

      If Griffin falters, Kirk will get his shot. Let’s hope he makes tinge major of it unlike the last two times he got to start consecutive games when he threw up all over himself and the team lost faith in him.

    • berniebernard666 - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:37 AM

      buztones I am sorry but that is not possible. The Griffin Cult followers are not just in the stands but they are also in the front office. We are going to have to suffer through Saturday night plus 4 regular season games before reality sets in and the Cult is disbanded.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 11:11 AM

      Yes, more misinformation by the misinformed. What is it with some of these Redskins fans that love to kowtow to the media distortions? Hell, they even go out to create some of their own distortions on top of these lies. I’m all for differing opinion about players and the overall team direction. I’m not for these “so called” fans piling on and spreading lies created by the Media. Is it they are easily deceived, all about anyone but RG3, antagonist in general, or all the above?

      • skinsgame - Aug 28, 2015 at 7:30 PM

        “…spreading lies created by the media…” HA! Hyperbole much?

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 10:04 PM

          Media claimed RG3 called himself the best QB in the NFL …Not true and hence lie
          Media claimed RG3 blamed the line for the TB lost last season ….Not true and hence lie

          Fans here then take said lies above and repeat them with their comments and add further distortions of the original lie.

          No hyperbole at all! You need an some ability to comprehend statements, read what the media falsely claimed, and read that nonsense taken even further here. It’s all over the place.

  5. sidepull - Aug 28, 2015 at 6:56 AM

    I will say this. No matter who shakes out at QB I will rally around that QB. It is tiring all the QB comparisons and different fans supporting one QB vs another. There was a time, long ago when we for, the most part, rallied around one QB. I wouldn’t mind getting back to that type of environment. We need stability at QB to do that. I want Robert to be that QB but if that is not the case I am not going to rag the QB who is trying to help get some wins for this team just because Robert couldn’t do it.

    • abanig - Aug 28, 2015 at 7:27 AM

      When was the last time the entire fan base rallied around a Qb other than 2012?

      Seems to me it happens once or twice a decade in DC.

      05 it was Brunnell
      99 Brad Johnson
      91 Rypien
      Early 80s it was Theisman
      Other than that, there has always been a qb controversy in DC.

      • bangkokben - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:09 AM

        2012 Griffin?

        • abanig - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:15 AM

          Other than 2012…

        • skinsgame - Aug 28, 2015 at 7:33 PM

          2013. Everybody was still making excuses for him well into the season.

        • abanig - Aug 29, 2015 at 8:12 AM

          I don’t understand these reactions. Seriously how unrealistic are you?

          Every player except Adrian Peterson in the history of the NFL has had to take a year or more to come back from a major knee injury but because you don’t like RG3, you don’t afford him that same rehabilitation time?

          How do you get off being so unrealistic? Griffin is not s robot, he’s a human.

          And even on one leg and with a big bulky brace on his right knee that hurt his mobility in 2013 Griffin was an average qb throughout most of 2013 and above average in a several games.

          Again, if he plays all 16 games in 2013 he passes for more yards than he did in 2012 he would have passed for around 3,900 yards and had around same amount of TDs with 20.

          The difference between 2012 & 2013 www obvious:

          1. Griffin didn’t have the same mobility because his knee wasn’t quite 100% and he had the big brace.

          2. They didn’t run him on draws or zone read inside then 10 yardline where he could have score a few TDs like the 5 he had in 2012.

          3. The special teams was the worst in team history

          4. The defense was bad and didn’t force enough turnovers.

          Forced Turnovers for the defense were huge for the team and helped them go on their 7 game win streak the second half of the yearn in 2012.

      • ajbus1 - Aug 28, 2015 at 6:17 PM

        Don’t forget about the old days. Sammy Baugh and Sonny Jurgensen! Check this out, all kinds of awesome:

        • abanig - Aug 29, 2015 at 8:20 AM

          Of course, but I didn’t feel like going back 40-70 years.

  6. Skulb - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:03 AM

    Apparently people don´t seem to understand that Kirk will benefit from an improved team just as much as Griffin might. Kirk threw a lot of interceptions last year, but under the same pressure that caused Griffin to take tons of sacks. Yet for some reason it´s OK to excuse Griffin by blaming the line but not Kirk. All his mistakes are his fault while all Griffin´s mistakes are the fault of the offensive line. No wonder they´re not blocking for him.

    • murphsman - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:21 AM

      I don’t think anyone said ALL Robert’s problems are the fault of the oline. Every article I’ve read, from other sites as well as here, has said that Bob is just as much to blame as his linemen are.

      • Skulb - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:29 AM

        That´s true. But some people commenting on this blog have said repeatedly that all the sacks last year were the fault of the line. So that´s why I made this comment here.

        • Stephfan - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:37 AM

          No skulb people have said that the line gets majority and griffin gets some so stop hating already… Your like a troll that won’t go away… Everyone knows griffin has faults but please don’t act like the line is great because the line was shitty at best last season. Heck the last preseason games says so as well

        • Skulb - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:00 AM

          Tim has indeed said that repeatedly and you know it. My point is that none of the same excuses can be used by anybody else than Griffin. If telling you the truth about your line of argumentation is trolling then I admit I´m a troll.

        • Stephfan - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:07 AM

          Not true skulb he said I believe 41 was accounted to the line. And there were some divided up between quarterback tight end and running back so not everyone has said it. Your statement was everyone says all the sacks are the olines fault but Tim hasn’t said that

        • Skulb - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:10 AM

          Yes I know he said that now, but all winter and spring he has posted the same sack stat and blamed the line for everything. There´s a reason i stopped reading his posts so I might have missed some of his modifications.

        • Stephfan - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:11 AM

          Lmao nice comeback but that doesn’t work. And I’ve seen his posts but he hasn’t put all the blame on just the line. Second that’s the only person you have… That’s not everyone lmao

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:01 AM

          No one has said that. 41 of 58 with the stats and link to prove it still ISN’T ALL THE SACKS. Most of the sacks but Not All. And I blame part of those 41 sacks by the Oline on the play calling. The Voach cut the Play Action passes by half from what we used in 2012 I provided a link for this too.he also cut the roll outs drastically I’ve also written that RG3 did hesitate on some of his throws and that could be expected from learning a new offense. Try reading what people write before making false proclamations.

        • Skulb - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:04 AM

          Maybe I would if you hadn´t posted the sack stat as evidence of the line being the problem with RGIII´s performances about a billion times this offseason.

        • Stephfan - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:09 AM

          He posted it to let people know like you skulb that the quarterback isn’t at fault for every sack because he is holding the ball to long or can’t read defenses like you say skulb. He posted facts while you have none

        • Skulb - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:20 AM

          He did not. he posted opinions, twisted the facts to suit his argumentation and he keeps doing it. I tried posting real facts to him and he shrugged them off. That´s why i don´t bother anymore.

          As for you I have yet to see you post a single fact here. Maybe take care of your own issues before jumping down my throat here.

        • Stephfan - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:25 AM

          Skulb I’ve posted facts bud but it doesn’t take facts to know that the line was horrible last season. But when the line was decent in 2012 we won the division. Anyone can see we need a better oline period. I haven’t seen any of your stats but I’ve seen your hate for griffin

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:14 AM

          Like I said 41 of 58 did you even bother to look at the link? Or any other link posted before running your lips. You post 1 stat ever over and over and it was of a QB rating of 8 throws in preseason and Proclaim this as Proof RG3 is horrible with out even mentioning Tom Brady had a worse one under similar circumstances. At least what I post I back up with stats and links for people to check out.

          I’ll refer you to my response to you shooting off about me again on rich’s last blog about RG3 . Ya I saw you were shooting off and I responded

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:19 AM

          Ive also mentioned before that Colt McCoy was the better all around QB on the Team but RG3 has the most potential and has proven when the Oline holds up he can put points up in bunches.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:29 AM

          He’s pissed at me because I pointed out how ridiculous his QB rating stat on 8 throws was

        • Stephfan - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:31 AM

          That and he hates griffin but when colt and McCoy were in and stinking up the joint he had a different tune. He blamed the defense and rtc more than kirks ints or anything else that happened with qbs

        • Skulb - Aug 28, 2015 at 5:32 PM

          No. I explained to you why your mindless use of last year´s stats in no way proved what you repeatedly claimed, and are still claiming, it proved. I did this using the same stats you keep posting and demonstrated for everyone to see but you and your two disciples here that you have no idea what you´re talking about at all, and are in fact nothing but a desperate Griffin apologist.

          Once I noticed that you were immune to correction of your stupidity and unable to take part in adult conversation I stopped reading your posts. And I told you that.

          Yes here you are, spamming mine. Can´t let it go can you Tim?

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 11:27 AM

          I won’t speak for Tim but Tim to me seems like one guy and not “some” fans.

          What I have at least read indicates more effort has gone to defending RG3 to naysayers that the line shares significant fault in those breakdowns last week. Even I agree that RG3 shares the blame for some sacks and pointed them out. Others have as well that support RG3. However, in response to those comments, Skulb and others have continued to side-step other factors like dropped passes, longer routes than how long the pocket was held, as well as RG3 showing some improvement in getting the ball out faster. Every time those factors are presented, it is deflected like it either didn’t happen or just wasn’t significant. The rule of thumb for some here is that it has to be RG3’s fault because he should be flawless as a NFL QB by now playing like Johnny Unitas. Every single play he has is broken down and scrutinized for so-called flaws while completely ignoring the issues with other players around him. It’s absolutely dumbfounding!

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 28, 2015 at 7:14 PM

          All you ever did was called me a liar you never said why those individual olineman stats were flawed please explain other than you saying I made them up.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 28, 2015 at 7:18 PM

          Did you ever get on the link and look at each olinemans stats? If not how can you comment against it?

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 28, 2015 at 7:27 PM

          BTWjust by following this thread you are the one who keeps referencing me and call me names like a child. You must have gotton pretty upset that you have no legitimate proof against any of my comments all the while you canonly come up with sorry arguments supporting your beliefs. Pretty sad you have to be jealous of RG3 and me lol

    • bangkokben - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:19 AM

      What a shock? This comment re-opens “Exhibit A” (circumstantial evidence of whose fault the sacks were) in less than one hour. Everyone has seen “Exhibit A.” Everyone has already made their own conclusions about “Exhibit A.” “Exhibit A” is not definitive proof. It is circumstantial at best.

      Skulb, how dare you try to use the ‘merits’ of “Exhibit A” to make a point?

      • Skulb - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:21 AM

        maybe there´s a methane leak on Rich Tandler´s blog…

        • bangkokben - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:32 AM


          After today, I never want to see it again. Here we go on this merry-go-round – the worst ride of RealRedskins.

          If we were scoring Thursday night, 33% sacks are on Smith, 33% sacks are on Scherff, and 33% on Griffin. Then we make the ‘logical’ conclusion that 66.666% of sacks come from our last four #1 draft picks (2012, 2013, 2014, and 2015) and we go looking for that old bottle of absinthe.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:41 AM

          Where are you getting this 33% stat at? where’s the link? otherwise it is an opinion

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 28, 2015 at 10:33 AM

          Ya I figured it was just an opinion.

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:39 AM

        Excuse me have you looked at the link that posts sacks attributed to each individual Olinemen? Why would they put it on the Olinemen if it wasn’t on him? Why do they add up to 41 and not 58 if they are also on someone else? Sorry but thats a solid stat that clearly points to 1 individual. The One posted for the QB for the games they played is how many happened in a game and involves the Oline. Show me a stat with a link (NOT AN ARTICLE OF SOMEONE’S OPINION) that shows different.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:46 AM

          Ive Posted 5 or 6 stats and roster moves that support what Ive bin saying about the Oline.

        • bangkokben - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:59 PM

          If you really want to re-open this can of worms. I will discuss Football Outsiders 2014 adjusted sack rate. I don’t have access. I thought you were going to get access and share it with us. If you don’t have it, that’s fine too. But I will not be discussing anything that we have already debated. “41/58” has already been debated. You hold to it. I do not. Using FO’s QB fault stat from their 2013 adjusted sack rate article and it’s definition (paraphrased: when the QB falls down), I conclude that the 3rd sack/fumble from the Detroit game would fall into the “QB fault stat.” Correct. Opinion. That doesn’t make me wrong considering the definition.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:44 PM

          I stand corrected on the Detroit game

    • abanig - Aug 29, 2015 at 8:30 AM

      Again, I’d rather have a qb take 4-6 sacks in a game and lose that game by a touchdown but feel like we could have won it if a few more plays were made on offense, defense or special teams than to have a gun slinger back there making the same mistake over, and over again on 4 or 5 straight series.

      A gunslinger like Kirk that doesn’t a conscious or Rex Grossman or Jay Culer doesn’t move around in the pocket enough and reset to throw to a different option, they don’t run for 5-10 yards when it’s available, they don’t throw the ball away or eat a bad play when no one is open and take a 5-10 yard sack instead of losing possession of the ball.

      Tress Way is a weapon, he can use his rocket of a leg and get off a 50 to 60 yard punt, thus making the opposing team go 70 or 80 yards for a TD instead of 40 to 60 if we have a turnover.

  7. sidepull - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:10 AM

    Yup that’s what I remember, Thiesman, Ryp, mostly for the longest stretch. Theisman was starting to take some heat before LT finished him. Just saying that was a great time when the fan base was settled for the most part on a QB and the focus was on how to get into the playoffs. Its been a long time and man it was looking good with Robert in 2012. Just saying whoever can deliver that winning attitude to this team I am behind them.. I think that guy is Robert. If not, I was am another fan with another wrong opinion. I also thought it was a mistake to get rid of Stan Humphries and Trent Greene. I never laughed so hard when I heard Shanahan stake his career on John Beck. It has been a while without QB controversy that’s for sure.

    • abanig - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:17 AM

      Trading Humphries was one of the major mistakes Casserly made in the 90s. Re-signing Trent Green was out of the Redskins hands unless they were going to pay a lot more than the Rams did.

      Trent Green didn’t want to return because of the questions regarding the ownership. If John Kent Cooke had inherited the team from his farther, I think Trent would have re-signed in 99.

  8. brucep523 - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:18 AM

    Here we go again. I would imagine that you could write a blob about special teams and find a way to not only mention RG3 but to put him down. I am sick of this stuff. Fans want hope and to rally around their team. Can you just accept and respect the decisions of Scot and Jay and STOP trashing RG3!?!?!?! Scot was touted as bringing about changes in the personnel, the culture, and the team. It is time to rally behind our time and stop undermining our team!

    • sidepull - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:48 AM


  9. murphsman - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:27 AM

    Hey Rich, seeing how Griffin is getting such poor protection from his linemen and the other QBs are doing ok, any thoughts on the lines being changed(apart from Trent obviously?) I realize it’s highly unlikely to happen, but might it be better?

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 11:45 AM

      I can’t speak for Rich but I think it is most important to have the starting unit playing together. Unless a starter actually loses his position then they should be all playing together. If things get hairy where RG3 is taking punishment then bring in Cousins. That’s the only change I would want to see Saturday.

      I seem to be the only one that saw Long looking much better last week at Right Guard. I may have missed some missteps by him last week but I have to assume at this point that starting Long over Schreff is the only possible change in the starting line up. I also don’t like the ideal of moving Moses over to LT if Trent is not there. This disrupts the whole line and forces many position changes. So maybe Compton could come in for a struggling Will Smith but I think that becomes difficult because of our TE situation with Compton being worked out there as an extra blocker. In conclusion, keep the starting line in with RG3 sink or swim. Preseason is the time to work out these issues with the players and especially the starters.

  10. berniebernard666 - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:27 AM

    Cousins has a bad rap and now if he throws ONE interception then the knucklehead Griffin fans will say “see, there he goes again”. Of course I realize Griffin doesn’t throw interceptions, but that’s only because he doesn’t even complete passes. 7 completions in 2 games? Griffin HOLDS the ball and nearly has as many SACKS as completions. Cousins doesn’t hold the ball, he THROWS the ball.

    But hey….Captain Kirk WILL be the starter after 4 games into the season and the EXPERIMENT will end.

    • abanig - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:38 AM

      Clearly a sack is worse than an int right?

      Why would we want to actually hold onto the football and live for the next down.

      Every time Griffin gets sacked those that are done with him say “there he goes again, too stupid to read a defense. His OL won’t play for him.”


      • Stephfan - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:39 AM

        Abanig spot on

  11. renhoekk2 - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:31 AM

    The good news is the Skins will finally figure out the QB situation. Either one of the current guys will step up and win the job, or they will be drafting in the top 5 again next season and will be able to draft one.

    • sidepull - Aug 28, 2015 at 10:03 AM

      I thought that was the plan last year to start RG3 and roll with him for the season come hell or high-water. Circumstances beyond the teams control, plans that went awry, a new coach who appeared over his head at times, forced them to trash that plan and they were off to the QB merry go round trying to muster a win here and there. Cousins, I think, was given a legitimate shot which he did not nail down.

      FFW to this year and i think they went back to the plan for last year. T they named Rg3 the starter in February to signal their intent to see what they had. Scot said he thought it was to soon to evaluate Roberts performance with out further consideration. He needs to play this year. I think you are right though, if he cant get it together weather it s his own undoing or a collaborative trend backward in team productivity, Rg3 may take the fall. I think they would then move on rather than cough up the cash. It would allow both Gruden and Scot to pick their own QB rather than, dare I say Dans? Dont know how much Shanahan had to do with securing that pick. I guess we will never know that.

      • renhoekk2 - Aug 28, 2015 at 4:14 PM

        I would think if Griffin is not playing well by mid-season he will be replaced. He won’t get the whole season. If he’s obviously not the solution at QB they won’t risk getting him injured. They would then be paying $16M to a player not on their roster. If they draft a guy they won’t be keeping Griffin around just because they had to pay him. No way they would want to start the new QB with that circus and drama.

        Most young QB’s without a lot of first team work and game experience will throw picks. I think that is where Gruden screwed up. He should have let Cousins play. Gruden was in the first year of a 5 year guaranteed contract so wins should not have been a priority. He obviously had reservations about Griffin. Even the best QB’s threw a lot of interceptions at the start of the careers. Fans act like that is all Cousins did was throw picks. He moved the team and put points on the board as well. Averaged more pts/game than McCoy or Griffin.

  12. kenlinkins - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:38 AM

    So, the big knock on Cousins is a 4.4 INT percentage? Could we be getting hang up on stats / numbers here? The goal is 2.0% INT and the head coach doesn’t believe anything above a 2.5% INT will work? Here are a few life time INT%: Aikman 3.0%, Bradshaw 5.6%, Dawson 4.9%, Elway 3.1%, Fouts 4.3%, Kelly 3.7%, Marino 3.0%, Montanta 2.6%, Moon 3.4%, Namath 5.8%, Starr 4.4%, Staubach 3.7%, Tarkenton 4.1%, Unitas 4.9%. Now that is a heck of a list of NFL QB’s, ALL of which are in the Hall of Fame and ALL have higher INT% above 2.5%. SO is head coach Gruden saying that he would not play a HOF QB in his system? No, not even I believe that and if you want to try and make the case that these “Old Guys” played when DB’s were allowed to ride WR all over the field, be my guest, My point is that this head coach (and new GM) must find out using something other than “stats” if they have a winning NFL QB on the roster. Remember, most of the QB listed above had problems when they came to the NFL and it took a head coach to figure out just what he had! That is the skill required today by the Redskins GM and HC. Do they have it, heck if I know but I sure hope so.

    • abanig - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:44 AM

      I thought it was more that Cousins’ confidence was so rattled that they felt they couldn’t win with him anymore because he was so, so disappointed he kept failing after every opportunity he was given to take the starting job away from Griffin…

      But hey, what do I know apparently because I’m willing to see if Griffin can make progress this season, I’m a memeber of some fictional cult. :-/

      • Skulb - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:08 AM

        Acceptance is the first step to recovery:)

        • skinsgame - Aug 28, 2015 at 7:35 PM


        • abanig - Aug 29, 2015 at 8:36 AM

          We’ll how Kirk does tonight, if he does well then we got s full blown qb controversy for real! Welcome to Sonny vs Billy ! Lol

    • TheHogs - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:10 AM

      You can NOT simply compare raw INT%s; they must be put into the context of the competition that each QB played against during his era. Cousins’s INT% compared to the QBs he has played against is among the bottom of the league since 2012.

      Not that INT% is the main issue here, since it’s not a reliable and valid statistic. The issue is that Cousins, a 4th-round draft pick who is a couple of years older than Robert Griffin III, does not have a large enough body of work to suggest that he is a starting NFL QB. If we know that even QBs who play all 16 regular season games tend to fluctuate in performance from season to season; why are people pleased by a tiny, five-game stint from 2014?

      • ET - Aug 28, 2015 at 10:04 AM

        You’re right that it’s difficult to compare interception rate across eras. The DBs of the past had greater leeway to be physical in space. Can’t get away with alot of that bumping, pushing and shoving anymore. I’d say it’s fair to compare QBs of a similar time frame, otherwise it gets dodgy.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 11:55 AM

      Ken, I suggest try breaking those percentages down by season and compare the overall season records against those percentages. The numbers you provided are interesting but seem deluded when using a span of each QB’s whole career. Many of those INTs could have mounted early on and then later on as careers were winding down for these greats.

  13. mr.moneylover - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:52 AM

    We wouldnt know until he face the starters…hes facing college players and players who gonna be on the bench all year…I just want kirk cousins to start so this BS can go away because its stupid to think kirk cousins can lead this team into the playoffs…once he throw a INT its a wrap and ppl dont wanna be believe that which is the truth…mike mayock said he is who he is hes like jay culter you gotta take the good with the bad and sometimes its more bad then good…he had a problem with throwing INTs in college dont expect that to change

  14. gonavybeatarmy - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:06 AM

    Has Cousins shaken his interception problems? Possibly. But, given the terms and very high risk associated with the exercised Griffin option, it’s a near certainty that Cousins will be given an extended opportunity at some point this season to start at QB and prove that he has. And that was before Griffin’s so-so performance in the first pre-season game, and amateurish performance in the second preseason game. The cost of the guarantee for injury is nearly equivalent to the exorbitant cost of applying the franchise tag to a QB, so Griffin’s leash was probably 4-6 games before his dubious play in August. Being compelled to pay the over $16 million dollar guarantee next year if Griffin is injured this season, would create all kinds of painful salary cap consequences too mind-blowing to digest right now. $16 million is over 11% of this season’s salary cap, meaning the organization could be required to allocate 1 of every 9 cap dollars to Griffin next season if he’s injured. Moreover, it’s hard to quantify the impact, if any, on Griffin’s leash this season due to the drama he creates at these press conferences. These press conferences have become a mockery with local and national media. Speaking as often as they do, QBs are going to eventually say dumb or controversial things. But the drama and distraction Griffin consistently creates at press conferences is an unnecessary and unforced error.

    Count me as very sanguine long-term that the organization is finally heading in the right direction under McCloughan and, yes, Allen, despite the possibility that this season could be historically bad following two really bad seasons. McCloughan is one of the top personnel men in the league, and Allen is a whiz contract negotiator.

    Although unlikely, here’s hoping Griffin performs so well tomorrow and during the season that Cousins never gets the chance to prove that his ‘interception problem” is a thing of the past. More importantly, here’s really hoping Griffin doesn’t sustain a serious injury.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 10:17 AM

      Griffey rarely creates the mess in interviews. it’s media distortion and lack of comprehension from readers like you. Oh but continue on with your unrealistic narrative. It makes up for the humor lost in the the old comic sections of the paper.

      • gonavybeatarmy - Aug 28, 2015 at 10:51 AM

        Is that you, Mrs. Griffin? If so, would you please tell the seemingly very nice young man you raised to have more self-awareness and be genuinely more self-deprecating and self-critical during press conferences? Please tell him to take full ownership of his many on-field short-comings.

        Blaming the media is loser talk. Why don’t problems like this occur with Andrew Luck, the player taken one draft spot above Griffin? Why don’t they occur constantly with Eli Manning, a player who plays in a much bigger media market than DC?

        • TheHogs - Aug 28, 2015 at 11:38 AM

          Because their organizations aren’t perennial losers, unlike the Washington Redskins (for the most part) since 1991. Nothing changed about Griffin’s demeanor since 2012, during which he was the best player on a team that won only its 2nd division title since 1991. He spoke plenty then, but fans such as yourself weren’t whining like babies about it; and that is due to the winning fallacy that is common in sports. (By the way, the always quiet Eli Manning is routinely criticized by the media for not being a leader anytime the Giants fail to make the playoffs. Search these articles on Google.)

        • abanig - Aug 28, 2015 at 12:56 PM


        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 12:00 PM

          Because guys like Luck are playing for successful teams with little or no team drama. Look at the difference between organizations and it’s simple to see why one has it so much easier by the media than the other. Another failed notion with a poor comparison. Some QBs, like RG3, also have to live with playing for an inferior fan base (exhibit one directly above!

        • abanig - Aug 28, 2015 at 12:57 PM

          The difference is that the Colts are winning.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 12:05 PM

          Sorry hogs I see now you already put to rest that silly argument.

        • gonavybeatarmy - Aug 28, 2015 at 12:28 PM

          Don’t put words in my mouth. I didn’t like all of the nonsense, philosophical crap and hash tags in 2012, either. I’m not one of those millenial fan boy fans who buys player jerseys. I’m invested in the success of the team. I don’t give a crap who the QB is. Frankly, I hope Griffin finally figures it all out and he becomes a great QB. But he appears to be completely lost right now. Of course, it’s not all on him as Gruden seems nearly equally immature, but the QB is the most important player on most teams.

          As for the Colts, they’re NOT a good organization. They have an owner who apparently inherited his father’s propensity to put mind-altering things in his body. They were a two-win team the moment Peyton Manning was injured, and were awful from the time they arrived in Indiannapolis until shortly after they drafted Manning. They’re an awful organization with an idiot owner (sounds like another team we know) whose organizational failures have been masqueraded by two intermittent spectacular QBs (Peyton, Luck).


        • TheHogs - Aug 28, 2015 at 12:56 PM

          gonavebeatarmy posted: ” I didn’t like all of the nonsense, philosophical crap and hash tags in 2012, either.”

          Were you on the message boards complaining about them when the Redskins were rolling and won the NFC East in 2012? If you did, please link to those posts.

          “As for the Colts, they’re NOT a good organization.”

          Yes, they are; certainly in comparison to the Redskins in recent memory. And it can’t be explained away by Manning and Luck; QBs don’t impact their team’s ability to win a championship in football like players in other sports (I’d say around 45% of a team’s performance is assigned to the QB; if you use the 60-30-10 offense-defense-special teams split suggested by Football Outsiders, then assume that the QB is responsible for 75% of the entire offense. And 75% is incredibly generous.)

        • gonavybeatarmy - Aug 28, 2015 at 1:57 PM


          For the decade and a half from the time the Colts arrived in Indianappolis until they drafted Manning, the team never even won more than nine games in a season. That’s a record of futility that rivals the Skins over the last decade and a half. After his rookie season the Colts won ten games or more in every season Manning played except for one six win season. In the majority of his career the team won between 12 and 14 regular season games.
          And then what happened during the season he was injured? They went 2-14. Two wins is a catastrophic season, not a slight regression. Two wins is worse than the Skins over the last two seasons. And we’ve been awful.
          And then the Colts draft Luck and have yet to win less than eleven games in a season.

          The Indianappolis Colts are not a good organization. The history of the Indiannapolis Colts is very clear and can be summed up as: awful without Manning and Luck; very good with Manning and Luck.

          As for the comment about postings in previous years, sorry but you and I must be from different generations. I don’t have a portfolio of comments previously made. I normally come to this site, read Rich’s comments and close out the page. Perhaps you retain a portfolio of your comments. Rich offers unusually fine, thoughtful, dispassionate reporting on and analysis of the team we apparently both love. My family, perhaps like yours, has had season tickets since Griffith Stadium. You can’t get what he offers through most other contributors. Rich is the closest thing out there to Ken Beatrice’s old work on the Skins. I’ve never even done Facebook or Twitter. I started writing comments for some stupid reason last winter. I sure as hell didn’t do it to spar with you or other Skins fans. This organization is frustrating enough without adding petty arguments among fans.

          I’m cheering for Griffin and the team. In the mean time, I’ll just go back to reading Rich and logging off.

          Be well. Semper Fi.

        • TheHogs - Aug 28, 2015 at 2:59 PM

          Wins are not a good way to evaluate team strength in *any* team sport, for a myriad of reasons; again, use Google if you want to learn why. It is even more fallcious to attribute the Colts’ turnarounds before and after Manning/Luck entirely or even mostly to the QBs; the NFL is a team sport, and stuides such as the ones carried out by Football Outsiders demonstrate this fact time and time again. Just looking at the Colts’ win totals before and after Manning/Luck joined the team is a absurd approach to use in order to evaluate their respective impacts.

          Also, I asked you a simple question pertaining to your posts on the board, to see if your viewpoint regarding Griffin’s demeanor was consistent even during the height of the Redskins’ success in 2012. You did not, so I cannot take your word for it. And, for someone who posted, “I sure as hell didn’t [start writing comments] to spar with you or other Skins fans”; your reply to redskinsnameisheretostay, in which you suggest that the poster is “Mrs. Griffin”, says otherwise. Whether or not you were provoked is irrelevant.

        • gonavybeatarmy - Aug 28, 2015 at 3:53 PM

          Nothing personal but you may need to step away from the ledge. There are people like Greg Cosell and Jaworski who are experts- people who know more about the intracies of the pro game in reviewing film and conducting analysis than you or I will ever hope to know- who conclude that Griffin is and has been playing the QB position at a below standard level for an extended period of time. And although I’m not a fan of Cooley’s personality, he knows far more about the game and is a real student of film and analysis than you or I can ever hope to be. And his conclusion, as we all know, is that Griffin is a project at best entering his forth season and the organization should consider cutting its losses and move on. It’s well documented that Jay Gruden had to sit with the owner for several days last year to persuade him to bench Griffin. Gruden is no Gibbs. Walsh or Belichik, but again he knows the game far better than any fan or media member, Rich included.

          I hope all of these people are wrong and Griffin makes them eat crow. But don’t hold your breath.

        • TheHogs - Aug 28, 2015 at 5:02 PM

          I know I had to sidetrack to address the claim that the Colts aren’t a good organization, but I thought this discussion was about media perception? What are you talking about now?

          By the way, I’m not entertaining appeals to authority. Not that Cooley doesn’t know anything about football, but many people who haven’t played football *also* know a lot about the sport. It doesn’t take being a former player or coach to analyze the NFL objectively.

        • gonavybeatarmy - Aug 28, 2015 at 6:09 PM

          Perhaps you either didn’t read what I stated or simply don’t know whom I’m referring to. I mentioned Cosell and Beatrice, so obviously I never said playing the game was necessary to having a very high level understanding. Hell, McCloughan never really played the game- he played minor league baseball- and he’s a brilliant personnel man, although he grew up as the son of a scout and worked his way up from the bottom of the Packers scouting unit. The former Navy coach and current GT coach Paul Johnson is one of the most brilliant, innovative minds in football and he never played at any level nor did the Steelers OC, and his team’s offense was it’s most prolific under Todd Haley. But Cooley, Cosell and Jaworski know so much more about the game than I and you know or will ever know. Their opinions simply have far greater value than fans on a stupid message board. And If you don’t stipulate to that then you’re simply not being honest or reasonable.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 6:14 PM

          One explanation for much of the Colts success under Luck in regards to the win/loss column has been the very division the team resides. When you have the Jags and Titans, perennial bottom feeders then you are already better than the other half of you division. That’s four wins that are either very likely are assured. The other reason is very good coaching.

          While Luck has had success passing the ball, he also gets far more opportunities passing than just about any other QB since he arrived. The one thing that really stands out about Luck is durability. This durability is why he is far more developed than RG3. Opportunities mean everything and when you have Luck passing attempts of 627, 570, 670 versus RG3s 258, 274, 147; a young QB is going to pickup on the game substantially quicker. it is amazing how fans wanting RG3 out go about declaring this is his 4th season so he should be at his prime. They just don’t realize or care that RG3s drop backs in 3 season only account for one season of Lucks.

        • ajbus1 - Aug 28, 2015 at 6:24 PM

          You’ll all agree this Redskins/Sammy Baugh video is awesome though:

        • TheHogs - Aug 28, 2015 at 6:50 PM

          I’m still wondering how any of this is related to the discussion about Griffin’s personality and media/fan perception. But I’ll clarify my comment to say that you don’t need to have *any* association with the NFL in order to analyze the NFL objectively. Any rationally-sound layman can understand the sport.

          That is to say, the basic point I made in my previous post stands. Stop claiming that “[Famous football guy’s name] knows more about the NFL than you or I or random message board posters do”. That’s not a valid argument. Any of those guys can be (and have been) *wrong*.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 7:23 PM

          Hogs, I think this just branched off to “…well Luck doesn’t have these media issues” argument. It’s always easier when you have a consistent winning contender like the Colts have been since Luck arrived. Media just doesn’t have as much dirt to use as a QB struggling with injuries, coaches, and a losing team in the win/loss column. It’s just like you stated about 2012. There weren’t many fans tooting the RG3 lacks self awareness horn you have now. Then someone wants to counter and call the Colts a losing organization? Well it isn’t showing up in the record.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 7:29 PM

          “*any* association with the NFL in order to analyze the NFL objectively. Any rationally-sound layman can understand the sport.”

          To analyze objectively and to be consistently right, it helps to play football for a period of time. At least into college. However, I also know that there were guys I played football with for years including a family member of mine that was good enough to get an invite with the Baltimore Colts. Yeah, I know old guy but anyway neither even watch football and neither could actually read a playbook. So yes, there many guys that played that don’t know squat workings of the game. If Cooley knew as much as he thought he did then he’d be out there coaching somewhere right now. Sorry, I love the guy as a player but he much prefers talking over working.

  15. 226thebeatdontstop - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:57 AM

    Cousins shining in the preseason means absolutely nothing when it counts and teams game plan for him he shines for the opposition.
    If he has so much value why didn’t teams offer more for his services…I’m so sick of the local sports talk media with their fair weather attitudes ..If RG3 fails,oh well but i do know Cousins is not a leader nor has a comprehensive skillset or compsusure to lead this team…
    Defense and a strong run game wins championships ,Grudens gin slinging ways won’t work..

  16. redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 10:10 AM

    I like Cousins and do feel he unfairly gets caught up in the RG3 drama. I also feel he could be a good QB in this league. Rich clearly identified his biggest flaw. Interceptions accumulate on Cousins when coverage tightens playing the better defenses in the league. Has or can he overcome the devastating interceptions? Only playing in games will reveal the truth.

    No evaluator here no matter how confident they claim to he has any real clue where his progress is as a NFL starting QB. Playing against lower and bottom tier caliber players only shows he can exploit inferior talent and the inexperienced. Maybe he’ll get his shot to show if he has overcome the reckless interceptions of the past. He is 27 and played a pro set offense in college so the time of now or never is quickly approaching.

    I just hope he gets his chance regardless of it being here or somewhere else. He appears to be a decent fellow and I’ll be a fan of his wherever he ends up in this league.

    • abanig - Aug 28, 2015 at 10:25 AM

      If Cousins stays in the division, I will not be a fan of his. I could see him ending up on the Cowboys and he and Griffin duking it out for about a decade after Romo retires.

      That would make for great theatre.

      • ET - Aug 28, 2015 at 10:35 AM

        Oh God. That’d be horrible. But admittedly great drama.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 10:50 AM

        Cousins taken over by the dark side? Come on now you have to wish better for him than that.

        • abanig - Aug 28, 2015 at 1:07 PM

          Why wouldn’t he? He’ll take any job he can get and in Dallas with Romo aging, that’d be a good spot for him to learn for a few years and then be the man.

          Also, if anyone hates being in DC more than Griffin for the way he’s treated, it’s probably Cousins because he was drafted to be a back up behind the 2nd overall pick in 2012.

          Why not go to a team that plays them twice every year?

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 1:47 PM

          I think St. Louis is a better spot for Cousins

        • abanig - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:04 AM

          They have Nick Foles, St Louis doesn’t need another average to slightly above average qb right now. Foles and Cousins are nearly identical in play except Foles threw less ints over the past two years.

  17. goback2rfk - Aug 28, 2015 at 10:29 AM

    Both Cousins and McCoy will be off the team next year.

    • abanig - Aug 28, 2015 at 1:08 PM

      Mccoy will only be gone of Gruden is fired.

    • Skulb - Aug 28, 2015 at 5:33 PM

      Nah, he´s the only promising QB they have. He does the right thing and executes poorly; Griffin does the wrong thing and executes poorly. That´s the real difference between the two. Me I´d go with the guy who tries to do the right thing. Crazy I know.

      • TheHogs - Aug 28, 2015 at 5:52 PM

        What promise does an older QB who is on his third team in five seasons have over a younger QB, former #2 overall pick, former MVP candidate, and former RoY?

        Better question: why does “trying to do the right thing” matter if the execution isn’t sound? You always “try” to make a good, five-step dropback and throw a 50-yard touchdown pass whenever you play pickup football; should you start for the Redskins over Griffin?

      • Stephfan - Aug 28, 2015 at 7:28 PM

        Skulb so McCoy did the right thing? Only winning a game? 1 game… And cousins didn’t win any so if you wanna bulif your team around that you’d lose

      • abanig - Aug 29, 2015 at 10:08 AM

        McCoy only executed poorly when the OL couldn’t black anyone against St Louis.

        He won vs Dal, did enough to win vs Indy (if the D hadn’t blown coverages) and was well vs NY before reinjuring his neck.

        We can win with McCoy. McCoy’s ability rivals that of Alex Smith’s and Andy Dalton

  18. gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 3:46 PM

    Come on folks Robert was a one trick pony in the Shanahan circus!

  19. wncskinsfan - Aug 28, 2015 at 4:23 PM

    I believe we shall see this season. I would like to see Robert do well, but I think we will see some cousins starts due to injury. The bug seems to be on the team.

  20. renhoekk2 - Aug 28, 2015 at 5:59 PM

    The only QB’s I saw with anything resembling a 2.5 interception percentage were the top tier players like P Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Luck, Ryan, etc.. Then the second tier guys like Palmer, E Manning, Cutler, Dalton, Foles etc.. are somewhere between 3.0-3.7%. Not sure how the avg would be 2.5. It would seem to be closer to 3.0 than 2.5%. It seemed to me maybe half the QB’s had something between 2.5-3.0% INT Rate and the other half were 3.0-3.8%. I’m sure Cousins 4 INT game distorts his Int %. Even the best QB’s have had multiple 5 Int games. Brady, PManning, Brees have had 5 Int games. It happens. P Manning had a 6 Int game and back to back 4 Int games in his career. Cousins 9 career start stats are not all that different than most QB’s first season 16 game stats. If guys like Dalton, Hoyer, Fitzpatrick, Foles, McCowan can be considered starters in the NFL, so can Cousins.

    • gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 7:27 PM

      nice post!!!

  21. gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 7:54 PM

    What a show…….Now RG3 is not cleared to play ?

  22. bangkokben - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:03 PM

    WTFlan? Griffin not playing against Ravens as independent neurologist reverses his decision. Holy s-storm! Fishy.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:06 PM


      • bangkokben - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:08 PM

        Just saw that bomb on CSN after flipping from Jeopardy.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:13 PM

          Well let’s see what Cousins can do! Why is it that this organization can’t even get a concussion clearance right?

        • gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:18 PM

          name ……it has nothing to do with the organization it’s independent Drs :)

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:27 PM

          Dude, the organization includes the doctors they hire to clear the players. This is similar to the incompetence with Doctor Andrews who was on the sideline and allowed RG3 to continue playing in the second half of the Seattle game. What happens if the game was tonight would they have had time to reverse their decision? Would they have reversed their decision?

        • gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:36 PM

          “Dude, the organization includes the doctors they hire to clear the players. ”

          what don’t you understand about the words “INDEPENDENT DOCTORS” ????

        • gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:37 PM


        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:39 PM

          I understand the word independent doctors but I also have the ability to understand they are hired by the organization to evaluate THEIR players. Look I’m not getting into another needless back and forth discussion with you like the last site you were banned from.

        • gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:42 PM

          JD HAWK tell us you were banned from what site? come on man !!!

        • gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:53 PM

          JDHAWK OR nameis here…….

          Under the new concussion protocol, a player suspected of having a head injury is interviewed and put through a battery of tests on the bench by a team doctor. Joining the examination is a neurologist or neurosurgeon hired by the league and not directly affiliated with the team

    • gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:16 PM

      only the Skins and RG3!!!

      • Stephfan - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:26 PM

        Gas stfu it griffin has nothing to do with this! Is the organization, coach, team president, etc

        • gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:36 PM

          really …how is that? how is it the organization, coach and team president? please enlightened me when it was an independent Dr who made the calls ….both cleared and uncleared rg3 ?

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:17 PM

      “Per discussion with neuropsychologists and with Anthony Casolaro M.D., we had anticipated yesterday that the patient would be cleared for full participation in gameplay this weekend; however, upon further scrutiny today of the neuropsychology data, I agree with the neuropsychologist that he should be held from gameplay this weekend and be retested in one-two weeks before a firm conclusion to return to gameplay can be made,” neurologist Robert N. Kurtzke said in a statement Friday night.

      That BS above has never happened before. How can you clear and then unclear a player for a game?

      • gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:20 PM

        maybe his comments yesterday “he only works for them” was the final straw?

      • bangkokben - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:29 PM

        If Griffin complained of headaches or threw up. Of course, releasing this on Friday night is the fishy part.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:31 PM

          fishy when you clear someone and then state “…after further review of the data?” That is a clear oversight by the doctors in their evaluation. It’s not just fishy but appears incompetent.

        • bangkokben - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:43 PM

          No doctor wants to appear incompetent. Perhaps there was some motivation. Being a fan of the team, I can make that kind of careless speculation. For a skeptic like me, this “coincidence” just sits weird.

        • gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:39 PM

          He maybe just scared to play behind such a bad OL …….ha!!

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:01 PM

          “No doctor wants to appear incompetent. Perhaps there was some motivation. ”

          I’m not sure about motivation but it’s apparent the evaluation process wasn’t complete after announcing RG3 was cleared to play. Why indicate there was additional scrutiny on the neuropsychology data afterwards? All the scrutiny should have been done before any clearance.

          Something went wrong here; whether it was a premature announcement by the team or the experts overlooked something. Regardless, games are being played tonight and I wonder what would have happened if it was found RG3 should be cleared while on the field.

          This is just another of a series of mishaps and head scratching incidents that I find perplexing.

        • bangkokben - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:10 PM

          There was adequate time today to stop him from playing if the ‘skins were scheduled to play tonight. He would’ve warmed up with team and then been held out. I’m sure there will be answers later. Likely the team will be blamed. Diagnosing concussions aren’t exactly easy. Could be the team never thought he had a concussion, while the independent did. Then the team expected clearance and jumped the info. Queer for sure.

        • gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:07 PM

          maybe his symptoms just started this afternoon?

        • gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:17 PM

          did anyone actually see rg3 get hit in the head during the lions game?

  23. redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:12 PM

    Tom Brady looks to be struggling again tonight. His QBR this presason is a real concern. I doubt he’ll get the start in the regular season with those current QBR figures.

    • bangkokben - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:01 PM

      You’re right. He’s not going to start the season.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:08 PM

        I wouldn’t know how you could see it any other way.

      • gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:23 PM

        rg3 may not start the season!!

  24. skinsgame - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:11 PM

    Gotta wonder if the club is thinking Griffin needs a break. Step back. Just a preseason game so, no big deal if he misses the start. Get the line some time with another QB to prep for the return of the best qb in the league.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:18 PM

      That makes sense to me! If the greatest QB in the game needs a break then have Snyder unclear a concussion clearance

    • gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:18 PM

      did anyone actually see rg3 get hit in the head during the lions game?

      • Stephfan - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:32 PM

        Gas stfu you know you can get a concussion by hitting your head on the ground you moron

        • gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:37 PM

          and that would be getting your head hit……no?

      • skinsgame - Aug 28, 2015 at 10:05 PM

        Nobody saw it, no.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 10:15 PM

          Other than the repeated slams to the ground, RG3 was never once struck last week. It’s apparent he is faking this once and fooled the experts!

        • gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 10:39 PM

          do you really think he could be faking it the whole time, after the presser you maybe right

        • skinsgame - Aug 29, 2015 at 12:32 AM

          My contention has been that he feigned his injury because he was frustrated and embarrassed and didn’t want to keep hearing fans boo the team. That’s why he stayed down after his embarrassing fumble. On the play he stayed down, his head was not hit nor did it hit the ground. It isn’t personal, it’s just a fact.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:01 AM

          Looks like I’m in company with the league of the loons here. I was actually joking about the whole premise. You guys actually think he faked an injury and fooled a neuropsychologists in the process. Wow!

        • skinsgame - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:37 AM

          Griffin is a head case. He’s not “fooling” anyone.

  25. redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:37 PM

    I think there is little doubt that Cousins will get the start over McCoy. I hope Cousins does well Saturday. Let’s see if he can transcend his performance against a starting unit.

    • gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:44 PM

      I hope he put a couple of TDs on the board!!

  26. bangkokben - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:53 PM

    Time to see what Kirk Cousins can do. I kind of wish that Trent wasn’t playing to get a real barometer, but the last thing the team needs is get another injury to its QBs. Here’s a good nugget from Keim’s piece earlier in the day. Remember when you read it that this was from last year and if we were going to give Griffin the benefit of the doubt for improvement, the same should be afforded to Cousins.

    “Last season, Cousins had a 47.08 passer rating after throwing his first interception in a game. After that first pick, he completed a combined 15-of-30 passes for 229 yards, one touchdown and four interceptions (three of which occurred in one game). He threw interceptions in 10 of the 14 games he’s played with six multi-pick games.

    Before his first interception, Cousins had a 113.8 rating — completing 68-of-101 passes for 948 yards and five touchdowns.”

    • gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:59 PM

      When you are a gun slinger pics are going to happen especially when your young and only playing only a handful of games. Kirk just needs to learn short term memory and he will be fine!

    • bangkokben - Aug 28, 2015 at 10:07 PM

      The problem isn’t the picks as much as the response to the picks. It’s not like he drove the team down the field and then threw a pick in the red zone. But going from a 68% passer to a 50% passer that’s mental. Another issue he had was fumbling – even though he didn’t get sacked much, he fumbled a rather high percentage of the times he did get sacked.

      • gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 10:24 PM

        I agree that’s why i say he needs to learn short term memory just like a pitcher in baseball!

      • goback2rfk - Aug 29, 2015 at 12:02 AM

        His fumbling was bad but I mean not RG bad. Rob averages 1 fumble per game. Hell he dropped the ball untouched in the preseason homie.

        • bangkokben - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:19 AM

          So what? Is that the standard? Just because he may not be the worst fumbler on the team (debatable, btw) hardly means that he doesn’t need to improve. 6 fumbles – 5 lost – in nine starts. 3 fumbles last year out of 8 sacks. These aren’t good numbers, homes.

  27. goback2rfk - Aug 28, 2015 at 10:13 PM

    RG3 is an injury machine. Cousins is an INT machine. And Colt McCoy is an average Joe machine.

    Even when RG3 gets back there is no reason to think he will not immediately get injured again. Then we could be back to knee brace rg3. No one stands a chance behind the o-line, its going to be a blood bath

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 10:16 PM

      Should we add a R rating to the upcoming games?

      • goback2rfk - Aug 28, 2015 at 10:20 PM

        Im thinking R is not enough. NC-17

  28. gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 10:21 PM

    Coach Gruden threw his challenge flag………………”upon further review” LOOOL

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 10:25 PM

      I’ll actually give you a LOL on that one. Another first here today.

  29. goback2rfk - Aug 28, 2015 at 10:23 PM

    How did he get this big concussion?! The hit was not even that hard. Harrision’s helmet to helmet on Colt McCoy was hard.
    I have taken hard hits falling out of bed in the morning. Something sounds fishy here. I am going with the conspiracy theorist. They are pulling the plug on RG3. He may be done in Washington.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 28, 2015 at 10:28 PM

      I think you need to go back to the previous unabated hits he took. It probably didn’t happen on the last play.

      • goback2rfk - Aug 28, 2015 at 11:58 PM

        Oh I see. Well its not that bad. Wes Welker would get decapitated coming across the middle and still play 2 weeks later.
        RG needs to wrap his head with one of his favorite Tommy Copper Sleeves.

        • skinsgame - Aug 29, 2015 at 12:34 AM

          Yes, go watch another replay of a defender coming straight at him and watch him not slide one step to either side and absorb a hit.

  30. goback2rfk - Aug 28, 2015 at 10:30 PM

    Gruden can finally get some sleep at night RG3 is back on the bench. Mine as well go ahead and get RG3 on the inactive list.
    With this early injury in the preseason it could ruin RG3’s season. Now if RG3 gets another concussion early in the season it may put him out for the season. 2 concussions in a row would be serious. He also got some concussions his rookie year too I believe. Behind that offensive line he is bound to get another concussion quick.

  31. gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 10:31 PM

    Honestly the way i see it….. they are protecting him, why take any chances for a preseason game!

    • goback2rfk - Aug 28, 2015 at 11:56 PM

      I agree!!! No way RG3 needs any more first team reps or preseason practice. He is ready to go! Ready to put up the big numbers! When Gruden says 5 Step drop that shit better be a 5 step drop you dig?

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 29, 2015 at 3:05 AM

        That’s the problem. The coach wants too call 5 and 7 step drops and deep passing routes with an Oline that can’t hold a block that long

        • abanig - Aug 29, 2015 at 8:54 AM

          Exactly and it doesn’t matter who the qb is, it doesn’t work because our OL can’t hold up for more than 2 deacons for a 5 to 7 step drop.

  32. goback2rfk - Aug 28, 2015 at 10:36 PM

    If Cousins comes in and has the hot hand through the preseason I would like to see Cousins get the start over McCoy on the season opener. Cousins will cut up the fish.

  33. goback2rfk - Aug 28, 2015 at 10:45 PM

    That is why it is so important when you are the #2 man behind Rg3 cause you are guaranteed to get some playing time.

  34. Capital Defense - Aug 29, 2015 at 5:50 PM

    Kirk is about to show the world who the “best QB” in DC this year is. Mr Cousins!
    We roll with Kirk after tonight, RG who?

    • Stephfan - Aug 29, 2015 at 8:04 PM

      Lmao a int n fumble? Archives

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