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Need to Know: Who makes the call on RG3?

Aug 27, 2015, 5:30 AM EDT

Here is what you need to know on this Thursday, August 25, two days before the Washington Redskins play the Baltimore Ravens.

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Today’s question is from the Real Redskins Facebook page:

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First off, I don’t know for certain what the decision making process regarding Griffin is and I doubt that anybody outside of the Redskins’ chain of command does. But there are tea leaves that can be read and this is how I read them. Again, to be clear, this is not reporting hard facts, this is my informed speculation.

The decision to forego a quarterback competition and make Robert Griffin III the starter was an organizational decision. As is often the case, not everyone in the organization necessarily agreed with the decision. It seems likely that Bruce Allen and Dan Snyder favored giving Griffin another year since they were involved in the decision to pay a record price to move up in the 2012 draft to take him. Jay Gruden probably either wanted a competition or to declare either Kirk Cousins or Colt McCoy the starter.

Where did Scot McCloughan stand? He may not have liked what he saw from Griffin on tape. He may not have liked what he saw from any of the three quarterbacks. But he also looked at a roster full of holes and realized that the getting a better option at quarterback into the building would not be possible without sacrificing the draft choices or cap dollars necessary to rebuild the team. Logic says that he was OK with keeping the same group of quarterbacks and giving Griffin one last shot. He proceeded to build the defense and bolster the running game in hopes that the team could be competitive in games without relying so much on the quarterback playing well.

Why not a QB competition? Those aren’t always the best thing for the team. For one, a competition can create divisions in the locker room. But perhaps the worst aspect of a competition is that the two or three players split the first-team reps through OTAs, minicamp, and training camp. That means that the winner of the competition will have had only a third to a half of the first-team reps. That has your starter starting off the season behind the eight-ball.

The other thing is that competitions are all too frequently not really competitions. You’re going to have a hard time convincing me that Ryan Mallett, whose two-year contract with the Texans pays him $7 million with $1.75 million guaranteed was ever going to start in Houston over Brian Hoyer, who got two years, $10.5 million with $4.75 million guaranteed. They had “competition” that Hoyer “won”. Now he gets to play catch up thanks to all of the reps with the starters he has missed.

But back to the Redskins. While the decision-making process that ended with Griffin being named the starter is interesting, it’s academic. It’s done, history. What matters now is who will be involved in the decision to pull the plug, should that call need to be made. If a decision to keep a struggling Griffin on the field is made by Allen and Snyder over the objections of the football people, McCloughan and Gruden, things could get ugly. The good news is that that the contracts of McCloughan and Gruden give them the authority to set the lineups and say who is on the roster. Of course it may not be wise to go against the wishes of the team owner and president but they can do it if they have the guts.

It doesn’t have to be ugly. The best-case scenario is things working out for Griffin and him showing that he can be the quarterback of the future. But if he shows that he can’t get it done, the optimal scenario is that all of the key decision makers agree on best time is to pull the plug.

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  1. colorofmyskinz - Aug 27, 2015 at 6:23 AM

    I am hopeful that RGIII succeeds. But I don’t think that is possible unless they use a read option offense with RGIII, where he is confident to take 700 plus rushing yards on the field. If RGIII “wants” to run, I say let him run. We honestly have nothing to lose there because we have already proven to ourselves he cannot and will not be a drop back QB. The problem has been RGIII has not “wanted” to run. He and his dad pushed for this change to drop back QB after his first injury. He has to want to. And the organization has to realize there is nothing to lose by risking him running read option. Because we no the other style offense will be horrible with him.

    If they do not go with read option and leverage his strengths I give him 3 hard games of being hit in the pocket from indecision. We will be looking at 3 losses and a broken QB mentally. The tape will be ample at that time. It might take 3 more games of tape to prove it to SNYDER and Allen.

    But don’t be fooled. The RGIII decision stands with primarily SNYDER and Allen. The question is how many painful games of watching the punching bag in the pocket before they realize what the casual observer can see.

    If RGIII runs read option, we just might see some of that 2012 magic back. Without that pkaybook, it is nothing but time, racking up losses, and watching the confidence of a young man Die out.

    Just leverage his strengths and we all win!

    • skinsgame - Aug 27, 2015 at 6:33 AM

      He had 2 concussions in his rookie year and he got both while running downfield. If he gets hurt bad enough, the team owes him $16 million next year and that could hamstring them for other moves they might otherwise be able to make.

      • skinsgame - Aug 27, 2015 at 6:36 AM

        *Sorry, 2 knee injuries and a concussion.

      • colorofmyskinz - Aug 27, 2015 at 6:53 AM

        Great point! We do have cap space at risk. That would be the only risk in my opinion. Russell Wilson can put 50 yards per game and stay healty. Maybe RGIII will have learned how to run and protect himself?

      • gasngo14 - Aug 27, 2015 at 7:07 AM

        skinsgame , great point, I asked R Tandler to give us info and his thoughts on the RISK vs REWARD on the 16 million guaranteed salary if Robert is injured again . So at what point does the leadership of this organization say enough is enough with the lack of performance and the chances to have such a cap hit?
        Rich any thoughts ?

        • Rich Tandler - Aug 27, 2015 at 7:54 AM

          Chances of getting an injury that would keep Griffin out for the 2016 season are very slim at this point. That is what it would take to trigger the $16 million guarantee. But I think it’s fair to look at Griffin and wonder what the chances are of getting any reward in exchange for your risk.

          I’ve said many times that I would not have declared the option due to the risk-reward among other reasons. If he had a great 2015 they always had the franchise tag in their pockets.

        • abanig - Aug 27, 2015 at 8:01 AM

          I have to disagree. If Griddin has an average to good 2015 and the team wins 7 games or so then they have him on next year’s option.

          Then, in 2017 if he really plays well and they make the playoffs and they can’t get a long term deal done with Griffin, then they can franchise him.

          The 5th year option is cheaper than the franchise tag by at least $2 million which means with that $2 million they can sign another player or two to help the team win.

          Giving Griffin the 5th year option – something they could get out of before the league year starts in March 2016 – was the right move and the cheapest option in the case that he plays good to great at some point this year and next year.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 27, 2015 at 11:05 AM

          I agree the option for 2016 on RG3 is better than the franchise tag. The team may need that tag for other key players (Trent Williams) since jury is still out on RG3s future.

      • nathansworldorder - Aug 27, 2015 at 7:16 AM

        Exactly! People want him running a read option offense but he doesn’t know how to protect himself . He will be injured twice as fast as we would sitting in the pocket. Such, Wake, and that Dolphins front seven are gonna break him. And when they do, the RG3 circus can finally head out of town.

        • nathansworldorder - Aug 27, 2015 at 7:17 AM

          I meant Suh

        • abanig - Aug 27, 2015 at 8:07 AM

          Griffin never got hurt on a read option. He got hurt on the triple option, in the pocket and twice on scrambles.

          In the triple option Griffin or any QB is rarely hit by defensive linemen or linebackers head on because he’ll have blockers out in front and will have Morris used as the decoy into the middle of the DL.

          The people tackling Griffin will then be linebackers – for behind – or most likely DBs and Griffin is bigger than most DBs, the hits he takes in the zone read are not nearly as bad as when he’s in the pocket or when especially ehen he’s scrambling.

          Griffin was never close to being injured in 2012 or 13 when the Shanahan’s called a read option play for him and neither have McCoy or Cousins been close to getting injured when a read option play is called for then.

        • skinsgame - Aug 27, 2015 at 9:24 AM

          Abanig, my point was he was hurt repeatedly running the option offense. Lots of factors of course but, Griffin doesn’t slide and is inherently fragile.

        • abanig - Aug 27, 2015 at 4:08 PM

          He was never hurt on a “read option” run ever. Not ever in 4 years.

          He was hurt twice on scrambles and tore his knee up on a drop back when he was in the pocket

        • skinsgame - Aug 27, 2015 at 8:18 PM

          He got hurt running. You can say what you want about which play was called when he got his bell rung against ATL, BAL, etc but, apart from the big injury in the playoff game where he was trying to grab a bad snap, he gets crushed when he runs. It doesn’t matter if it’s a “read option” run. Defenders that squash his narrow frame do not distinguish between the play called in his huddle. Exposing him to more hits will hasten his demise.

        • abanig - Aug 27, 2015 at 8:32 PM

          No, it does matter if it’s a read option or if it’s a scramble because on the Read option Griffin gets the benefit of the play fake which draws the defense in towards Morris and then he has three or four lead blockers including the FB, TE and an OL or two. On the read option a qb is much more protected than when he’s scrambling

        • skinsgame - Aug 27, 2015 at 11:32 PM

          What defense is buying his play fake? This isn’t week 8 of 2012. It isn’t just his inability to evade a pass rusher. He also doesn’t see wide open receivers or chooses the entirely wrong receiver to attempt a throw to. Not every time, no, but more often than not.

        • abanig - Aug 28, 2015 at 12:09 AM

          In 2013 he rushed for 489 yards with a 5.7 yard average in 12 games where they ran read option and he did so on one leg with a huge brace.

          If he had played all 16 games, Griffin would have rushed for around 650 yards in 2013 and he wasn’t close to getting injured in 2013 on a read option play.

        • skinsgame - Aug 28, 2015 at 6:14 AM

          “If he had played in all 16 games”. Exactly my point.

        • abanig - Aug 28, 2015 at 7:14 AM

          In 2013 when he was coming off the knee injury he would have played in 14 games at the least and they were running read option and pistol a few times a game.

    • warpath1 - Aug 27, 2015 at 9:28 AM

      Dont forget the rules change that makes it open season on the qb on read option plays. He loses passer protections that he had in 2012, now they will be more punishing in a area where we all suspect he can get hurt again

    • Skulb - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:34 AM

      But weren´t the rules for hitting PA quarterbacks changed so defenders can light them up whether they´re handing off or not? Bradford vs Suggs last week comes to mind. The NFL ruled that a legal hit because Bradford faked a handoff and a defender usually doesn´t have time to judge whether the QB is a runner or not.
      It might actually be impossible to run the same offense the Redskins did in 2012 now.

      • abanig - Aug 28, 2015 at 7:16 AM

        It’s not impossible teams with athletic was still call a zone read a handful of times every game.

  2. skinsgame - Aug 27, 2015 at 6:24 AM

    The decision on who plays should belong to the coach and be solely his decision. The GM should get the players together for the coaching staff and, perhaps, guide the philosophy of what kind of personality the team takes on but, who plays should be the coaches decision. There is no actual evidence that everything with Griffin to this point has not been Grudens choice, just insinuations. Last season, there were people upset that Bruce Allen wasn’t having press conferences to address team issues in mid season but why would he? The team belongs to the coach during the season.
    Wouldn’t it be nice if Griffin showed up from here on out and silenced his critics by silencing himself and just playing well? I’m of the opinion he won’t do either of those but I’m hopeful that he does and if he can’t, by Halloween, the team will likely be a dumpster fire again. I dread that outcome.

    • colorofmyskinz - Aug 27, 2015 at 6:34 AM

      If gruden was smart he would show RGIII in the pocket one more game to try to fix the pocket protection issues. Then first game against Dolphins bring in the read option offense and turn RGIII lose on the ground. It would shock the NFL and be the best thing for RGIII and our organization. Team would rally and we would go to the playoffs as long as he stays healthy.

      • gasngo14 - Aug 27, 2015 at 7:01 AM

        Color i like your thoughts but Robert is to frail to return to that type of game. He looks to have lost two steps and has shown the lack of interest of learning to slide properly, unfortunately Robert is a hot mess and i wish he would learn actions speak louder than words…… HTTR !!!

      • nathansworldorder - Aug 27, 2015 at 7:18 AM

        😩😂😭😭😭😭 “turn him loose”😩😂😭😭😭

  3. sidepull - Aug 27, 2015 at 7:09 AM

    This was not Grudens QB pick
    This wasn’t Scots QB pick.
    I don’t believe it was Shanahans QB pick but I wasn’t in that war room so I dont know. I don’t believe anything Shanahan says except the one time he said he rarely tells the truth. That I believed.
    This was Dan’s and Bruce’s pick I believe.
    Dan appears to be stubborn as the day is long and I think the call to keep RG3 lies with him.

    The decision to keep Rg3 is going to be made ultimately by Rg3 himself. He just has to prove that he can overcome the odds and take it to the NFL this season. That scenario makes all decisions easier. Being in limbo is very difficult to watch and as a team it must be frustrating to have all this media attention and negativity directed towards the Redskins. How long are they willing to let RG3 sort things out? I swear he looked to me like he was trying new things in the pocket. I saw that young man stand tall in the pocket and take a huge hit. I appeared to me that he was trying something new taught to him by maybe his QB coach. It didn’t work out well for him this time but it appeared he was giving it go. He has the heart of a lion. He is going to make it in the NFL. Here or there I don’t know. I don’t believe he is the bust he is portrayed as.

    • Rich Tandler - Aug 27, 2015 at 7:49 AM

      Don’t know if RG was Shanahan’s idea or not but it doesn’t happen if he doesn’t sign off off on it. He had full control over personnel. If says no, it doesn’t happen, period. Snyder’s only option would have been to fire him and pay out $21 million.

      For a guy who was collecting $7 million per year to be the adult in the room, sure sounds like Shanny let others make a lot of key decisions. That is, if you believe what he says. I don’t.

      • gasngo14 - Aug 27, 2015 at 8:35 AM

        That’s right Rich, Shanahan liked to tell us many of times he had total control of the team and roster!!

      • abanig - Aug 27, 2015 at 8:43 AM

        I agree Rich. Shanahan seems like a pathological liar to me. He doesn’t even realize he isn’t telling the truth because he lies so much. Lol

      • hk2000 - Aug 27, 2015 at 9:50 AM

        I wonder why Gruden wouldn’t do the same thing? He also would be owed 4 years of salary if they fire him, so if it’s true that he doesn’t want Griffin, why doesn’t he pull the “If you don’t like it, fire me” as well, and start whomever he wants?

        • kenlinkins - Aug 27, 2015 at 9:56 AM

          Because he is not a Super Bowl winning head coach and if he does do that he will never be a Head Coach in the NFL again.

        • hk2000 - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:17 AM

          OH I very much doubt that it would affect his coaching chances in the NFL- Haven’t you been watching? Teams take other teams misfits, trouble makers, failed projects and yes contentious coaches all the time (i.e. K. Shanahan is in ATL,, and the Bills ex coach is in NJ). Actually I’m one of those who don’t think Gruden wants Griffin on the team at all, let alone starting, so I’m puzzled as to why he wouldn’t just do what he wishes, your answer not withstanding!

        • kenlinkins - Aug 27, 2015 at 12:20 PM

          I have to admit you make a good case about coach’s staying in the NFL after craping the sheets in other jobs. (and the down side is a ton of money in your pocket if fired before the contract is up?) I am not sure about Gruden not wanting RG3 even on the roster but it would not shock me to find that out, but if true, I like you can not figure out why he hasn’t forced the issue yet! Something is just not right, it didn’t seem to add up, there must be some data I am missing.

  4. babyteal1 - Aug 27, 2015 at 7:15 AM

    Pull the plug already and lets move on. We’ve suffered enough. Trade for Zack Mittenburg from Tennessee. He isn’t going to start.

    • kenlinkins - Aug 27, 2015 at 8:55 AM

      Tennessee used one of the traded Redskins picks to draft Zack Mittenburg so using anything more valuable that a 6th round pick would be going backwards is assets.

    • abanig - Aug 27, 2015 at 9:19 AM

      “Mettenberger” is no better than Cousins, trading for “Mettenberger” is not worth it. It’s not worth losing a draft pick who could be a starter at another position.

      It’s also never going to happen! The Titans aren’t going to trade him, why would they?

  5. abanig - Aug 27, 2015 at 7:45 AM

    Group decision, unless you’re going to call Scot McCloughan a liar

    • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 27, 2015 at 9:08 AM

      The Question is who was in that group?

      • abanig - Aug 27, 2015 at 9:14 AM

        Well again, unless you’re going to call Scot McCloughan a liar he said months ago and recently also that Snyder, Allen, Gruden and himself all talk about these decisions and then a decision is made.

        • gasngo14 - Aug 27, 2015 at 9:22 AM

          So basically the OWNER Snyder is still calling the shots with his checkbook????

        • abanig - Aug 27, 2015 at 4:14 PM

          No, it’s in McCloughan’s contract that he signs who he wants but they all discuss it.

        • skinsgame - Aug 27, 2015 at 9:27 AM

          Scot was talking about contracts, not depth chart.

        • abanig - Aug 27, 2015 at 3:58 PM

          He said “big decisions”

        • skinsgame - Aug 27, 2015 at 8:23 PM

          He was talking about contracts like Griffins option and Orakpo and whether to add UFA’s etc.

  6. joeyc252000 - Aug 27, 2015 at 8:35 AM

    What happens if RGIII has another bad game Saturday where he just looks uncomfortable in the pocket, does not recognize pressure in pocket until its practically on top of him, and the offense stalls yet again? We know regardless he will start week 1 barring injury. How will this affect the locker room when players who are relying on the QB to do well do not believe that this man is the answer at quarterback? It almost feels like that members of the organization believe in keeping this one man happy is more important then the rest of the team because of the amount of money and time they have given to him. Im tired of hearing he needs time to adjust and become a pocket passer. Its year 4 and there has been no improvement. Sure he looks like he can be the starter in OTA’s and training camp, but its different in the real games, no one slows up when getting near the qb, as they do in practice, especially when you are not playing in full pads all the time. I know Kirk and Colt are playing against the second and third string opposing defenses, but they are doing what they are supposed to against those types of competition. Griffin should be at least able to keep the offense in longer drives against the number ones if he is going to be the starter.

  7. timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 27, 2015 at 8:40 AM

    The GM said He liked RG3 coming out of college and “You don’t give up on a player with that much talent this early” Pretty sure those “Tea Leaves” point to the GM “Suggesting” RG3 be the starter.

    • gasngo14 - Aug 27, 2015 at 8:53 AM

      we shall see how long he allows this poor play on his watch :)

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 27, 2015 at 9:04 AM

        The GM Drafted 3 Olinemen 1 with the #5 overall pick. I’m pretty sure he has a firm grasp of what the problem is with this Offense. Oline Ranked 31st in Pass Blocking giving up 41 sacks themselves. I’ve already posted the links for the stats on past articles on here. Go back and check them out for yourself also read the articles ytheyare a pretty good read.

        • gasngo14 - Aug 27, 2015 at 9:16 AM

          I am not going to debate you on the OL . The fact of Robert not reading the D and having poor foot work and so on is only his faults and he has yet to show any improvements in his own craft the QB position!!.

        • abanig - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:02 AM

          Roberts “reads” are generally right. At times he has bad footwork and he struggles with having to anticipate throws but he usually goes where he should with the football if he thinks he can compete the pass.

          Cooley breaks down all of most of Robert’s plays or the main ones and he rarely talks about Robert making a bad read. He’ll often say he didn’t see someone open, but that’s not a bad read, that’s him not seeing it or he is rushed and takes his eyes off downfield so he loses track of where the receivers are.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:14 AM

          There is no debate about the Oline Ranked 31st in pass blocking, gave up 41 of 58 sacks, got Morris hit behind the line of scrimmage on 1/4 of his runs. The Oline was Horrible no QB can succeed under those conditions.

        • Skulb - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:58 AM

          @Tim

          Also no debate that Griffin was the 33rd best QB in the NFL last year, according to the same rankings you´re using to make this faulty argument. And yes it is faulty because not all sacks can be blamed onm the offensive line. You just assume that they can be to fuel your lack of proper arguments and don´t even look at the actual sacks to analyze who caused them. You never have and my guess is you never will.

        • Stephfan - Aug 27, 2015 at 11:06 AM

          Smh just hating all the time

        • Skulb - Aug 27, 2015 at 11:10 AM

          Disagreeing with you is “hating”?

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 27, 2015 at 11:13 AM

          If 41 sacks are attributed to the Oline that leaves 17 to be slit between RBs, TEs, and QBs. The 41 comes from when you add up each individual players sacks they gave up. I’ve already posted the link many times you can add up each individuals sacks they gave up yourself. You just don’t like the fact that you can’t blame everything on RG3. MOST of the sacks were due to the Oline performing like they did against the Lions.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 27, 2015 at 11:17 AM

          Skulb, the offense across the board was bad. This is a better indication of a rookie coach in over his head than any player on the field. Every QB on the team struggle every one but you only seem to want to analyze one player on the field.

          Again many here can’t see the forest among the trees with RG3

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 27, 2015 at 11:20 AM

          Also I do think RG3 could have thrown the ball earlier on Some Plays last year but that comes with learning a new offense. Thats why Most Coaches put in plays the QB is comfortable and has called before along with some of the new plays the first year. I didn’t see that last year with RG3

      • sidepull - Aug 27, 2015 at 9:11 AM

        Its a fine line they are walking. The QB carousel last year was abysmal. Thats not the answer. I thought last year the plan was to play RG3 to see if he would pan out. He got injured and the everything went south. I think the plan was shelved for the year and now they pretty much have o go back to the same plan. I do not think he is a bad QB, I think rather he had a bad coupe years. Injuries are what they are and were circumstances not under that kids control. Play him and see what you have. Deal with the growing pains. Either that or cut your losses. Either way they, we, are all suffering in this process. I am just hoping for the best and knowing it is just preseason. We will start to get a glimpse of reality here in a couple weeks. They really need to watch out Rg3 getting injured and that is hard to do. He cant play in bubble wrap. Cut him loose and let him play his game or he is going to get annihilated just standing back there.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 27, 2015 at 11:24 AM

          Dead on Sidepull, the critics ignore all the adversity with this QB that was beyond his control. They use the blanket ten its year 4 as if he has played injury free with solid stable coaching.

      • abanig - Aug 27, 2015 at 9:53 AM

        You do realize in McCloughan you’re talking about a man who stood by Alex Smith with all of his ups and downs for 4 years. Look at Smith now, he almost got the Super Bowl in 2011 and has had his team in the playoff race every year in a division where he has to face Peyton & Phillip 4 times a year.

        • abanig - Aug 27, 2015 at 9:57 AM

          *to the super bowl in 2011*

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 27, 2015 at 11:30 AM

          You do realize some fans here don’t understand QB development and think palyers should perform like they do in Madden Football?

          Injuries and poor coaching doesn’t effect QB development and none improve ever after 2 seasons.

        • skinsgame - Aug 27, 2015 at 8:27 PM

          Alex Smith is a game manager. Defenses are not game planning for Alex Smith. He almost got to the Super Bowl like Trent Dilfer did; on the coat tails of a good D. Another talent Alex Smith has that Griffin doesn’t is his ability to keep an inner monologue.

    • bangkokben - Aug 27, 2015 at 9:59 AM

      Could just be spin.

      • abanig - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:17 AM

        Spin? In what way?

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:55 AM

          Ya that’s what I was wondering and why go out of your way to say that? Could have just said I liked both of them coming out of college and left it alone instead of endorsing a guy he Didn’t even pick.

        • bangkokben - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:34 PM

          Sorry couldn’t respond to this earlier. Taking my kid to college. The quote Tim had of McC could’ve been the GM getting behind the owner & president’s wishes although not necessarily agreeing with the decision. He could’ve told them something like, “Fine. Griffin’s the starter. I disagree but we’re going to give the kid a shot, but when I think this is done we’re pulling the plug.” Then say what he said to the media.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 28, 2015 at 1:19 AM

          Bang that’s a bit of a reach don’t ya think?

  8. gasngo14 - Aug 27, 2015 at 9:36 AM

    The things i see in Robert is a very athletic kid with exceptional fast twitch muscles who lacks muscle memory. This would explain a lot of his issues with the basic fundamentals of his position, now the question is can this be taught? Yes but how long could it take to be successful and is it too late in the game with him not showing much improvements as of now and the fact of being so injury prone due to his past injuries? IMHO this is what Scott M, if he is in total control must answer for himself ……

    • abanig - Aug 27, 2015 at 9:56 AM

      I agree. I’ve always said the Shanahan’s did Griffin and the redskins fan a disservice by having Griffin run the zone read offense in 2012. In 2012 Griffin should have been learning to be a west coast drop back qb like he’s trying to learn in his 3rd & 4th years after he tore up his right knee for the second time in 5 years.

      Thanks Mike!! Ughh

      • TheHogs - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:19 AM

        Why should he running anything but the offense that best uses the skills that he had in 2012? Why should any QB run an offense that doesn’t use his skillset?

        On another note, if we’re wondering if a 25-year old, former #2 overall pick, and former RoY/MVP-candidate Griffin can learn how to be a pocket QB at age 25; what do we think about a 27-year old and 4th-round pick in Cousins, who hasn’t proven he can be a starting QB in the league? Or a 27-year old Colt McCoy, who is on his third team in five seasons?

        • abanig - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:45 AM

          Because any person who watched the saints, Falcons, Panthers and Steelers games in the first two months of 2012 and saw Griffin take huge shots should have realized that his man needs to be max protected and needs to learn to play from the pocket, even if that means as a HC I have to have our 3rd double digit loss season in a row.

          Shanahan could have mostly run drop back/bootleg/play action/sprint right or left passing plays after we had established the running game with Morris instead of calling mostly zone read plays in which Griffin ran a lot and exposed himself to too many hits because he doesn’t know how to preorder himself well.

          If your a HC and you have a qb who thinks he’s invincible and you allow the qb to go out and try to prove he’s invincible then you as the head coach are part of the problem. This was proven throughout the course of the 2012 season particularly in the playoff game against the Seahawks.

          A HC always should have his best players health in the forefront of their mind, Shanahan didn’t in 2012 with Robert. If the skins max protected more often, ran Morris the same and kept Griffin in the pocket his rookie season as he learns to be a pocket passer he wouldn’t have taken as many hits, although he would have still injured his knee vs the Ravens.

          The coaches decision making, how he dealt with Griffin while he was injured and how he could never fix the defense to even be above average except for 2011 was the reason Shanahan was fired. Basically, it came down to Shanahan’s mismanagement of the team so he was fired. This is the same reason Cerrato was fired after the 09 season.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 27, 2015 at 11:41 AM

          Hogs, add to the fact Cousins played a pro style offense in college. So he had many seasons under a pro style offense than RG3 but normally struggles more under it in practice than RG3.

          I do like Cousins and wonder how much he could improve starting himself for a full season.
          However, games like last season show a self
          destructiveness in Cousins that NFL coaches tolerate the least.

          I think the ACL/MCL injury derailed the option plays but I expect to see some more return this season with RG3 under center.

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:47 AM

        I think Shannahan had a great plan. 2012 had bootlegs, straight drop backs, play action, along with the read option stuff. His plan was to slowly transition RG3 into a Pocket QB that ran the Bootlegs (Shannahan’s offense) over 3 or 4 years. What derailed his plan was the Cap Penalty. Since he had no Cap to get free agents to fill holes in the roster. Hasslet was a issue too. But the QB transition plan was good. It would have gotten RG3 developed in a couple years while winning and getting use to the speed of the game with smaller passing windows.
        I still feel it was a mistake to get rid of Shannahan and his son.

  9. Stephfan - Aug 27, 2015 at 9:37 AM

    The funny thing is ok we know how bad griffin looked but the offensive line looked beyond dreadful. And second the play calling was far different once griffin left. Frail or not. Give that man at least 3 pistol plays and more play action and bootlegs and griffin can get back to being better… In this case average? But hey I’m not the one calling plays. But the coach or offensive coordinator needs to play griffins strengths… Not the opposit

    • gasngo14 - Aug 27, 2015 at 9:43 AM

      Agree to a point but in all fairness to Robert now is the time to work on the fundamentals you are lacking!

      • abanig - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:09 AM

        He’s been working on them. Just because when he’s rushed by a 300 pound man within two seconds of his drop back and he decides he’s going to eat it instead of throwing an int does not mean that he, Gruden, McVay, Cavanaugh, and Ragone have not been working on his footwork and pocket skills at nausium.

        • gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 3:51 PM

          good that he has and he needs to continue working on them …..thats my point preseason is the time !

    • abanig - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:06 AM

      There’s no way the bootleg would have worked with the Lions in a wide nine DE look. You’d boot right into the DEs.

      There is also no point in running a pistol or zone read offense with Griffin in the preseason because he doesn’t need to work on that.

      Robert HAS to get better from the pocket … PERIOD! That’s why they are having him work on that this preseason as live game action.

      • Stephfan - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:09 AM

        I’m talking bout when the season starts.

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:36 AM

        We will see if that truly why the calls in preseason are the way they are. The thing I don’t like about it is when you see the Oline is struggling you change something to slow the rush. Max Protect, Screen Play, Draw, Play Action when it’s not an obvious passing down. Pistol Formation.

        You don’t have to run a read option out of the Pistol. For some reason people think the Pistol is solely a read option formation when it is not.

        • abanig - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:50 AM

          Again, Griddin doesn’t need work on the zone read and he’s above average making good decisions when the pocket is moved or on a bootleg, so why run those?

          They’re trying to make him stay in the pocket under live bullets so he can learn and have something on tape to talk to him about the next week in film session. Griffin is still not processing fast enough because he hasn’t been in the offense long enough.

          Griffin also needs to learn that throwing the ball away or purposely throwing a ball at the feet of a covered wr so it isn’t intercepted is not always the worse play if nothing is open and you are rushed.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:57 AM

          Again I never said run a read option

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 27, 2015 at 11:00 AM

          A Draw or screen works fine to slow a rush. Pistol Formation NOT READ OPTION gives the QB a better look at the field while still having a blocker back ther to pick up a blitz on either side. Can also run Power Run game out of it

        • gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 6:57 AM

          tim maybe you ought to seek an OC job in the NFL ………..

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:32 AM

          These are things everyone that watches football should know . If you don’t then you don’t know what you are watching.

        • gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 3:53 PM

          tim you just seem to post so much about coach gruden as in like you are so much better than he is ? so why not apply for a job in the nfl?

  10. kenlinkins - Aug 27, 2015 at 9:51 AM

    Right now Head Coach Gruden is isolated after going 4-12 his first year. It is clear where the owner and president stand on RG3. The new GM is not going to risk having the owner turn on him this early in the process by teaming up with Gruden on RG3. IMO the new GM labels this the “QB concern” and not the “RG3 problem” like Gruden does. Gruden understands he is not Vince Lombardi and can not buck the owner / president / and GM all at the same time on RG3 starting, and this is why we have seen him just grin and bear it saying “I like the progress he has made in practice”. Timing is everything in the PR game and make no mistake about it that is the game that Gruden has lost to date. Right now, the weak link is Gruden and he is fighting to keep his job. He doesn’t have the power to remove RG3 yet (guts or no guts) and the new GM is not yet ready to fight that battle.

    • bangkokben - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:04 AM

      Instead he does have the power to play Griffin and let it play out due to his contract. He can diametrically opposed to Griffin being the starter but secure that it isn’t his decision and collect his coin while the experiment plays out. Right now he is saying all the right things in the media. We will know when the plug is about to be pulled when something changes in his message.

  11. mr.moneylover - Aug 27, 2015 at 9:54 AM

    I just dont trust kirk cousins leading the first unit…kirk cousins plays well against backups he do that every year…its much more harder playing the starters and ppl fail to realize that…kirk cousins dont like pressure he said it his self he put alot of pressure on his self and fail last year ummm I dont think he realize but bein a starting QB in the NFL its gonna always be pressure to have success it comes with the job…I think if they give rg3 better protect he will do just fine…theres no way rg3 should be getting hit on a three step drop back but he was thats how bad the O-line was he couldn’t go threw progression when he did go threw his progression wide receivers was still running they routes and not looking for the QB to throw them the ball yet…it was flat out the O-line and head coach fault jay gruden said he could’ve helped out robert recognizing the blitz was coming a little better.. my question is why didnt you help robert knowing its his first year reading defense ???? I say this all the time coaches can take some pressure off a QB if he want too its a reason why jamis winton and marcus mariota playing better then rg3 now its because they coaches helping them from a learning stand point its to bad rg3 dont have that same support here

    • abanig - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:16 AM

      I forget who it was, but there was someone who said that there is no “third read” for a quarterback, they don’t have time for that in the NFL. Maybe it was Joe Theisman, Kurt Warner or another former qb on NFL or ESPN, it could have been Trent Green actually in an interview I heard on NFL Sirius radio.

      Anyways, the whole “the qb can’t process fast enough and get to his third read argument from fans is not accurate this former qb said,” he said on every drop back there is usually time for two reads on a play, if those aren’t coming open, then you look for the checkdown to a running back.

    • Troy Grissom - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:32 AM

      Everyone needs to get used to bad quarterbacking here and in the NFL unless teams are willing to let qbs sit and learn or coaches need to be incorporate aspects of the spread offense into their playbooks. Most qbs that are coming into the league are coming from spread offenses not pro offenses. You will have to break them down and build them back up because all they know probably from pop warner to the pros is running a spread offense. Coaches in college aren’t teaching, all they are looking for is wins, bowl games and a better, bigger job which you can’t fault them for! Once the greats (Manning, Brady, Rivers, Brees and those on their level) are gone, you be seeing the likes of Hoyer, McGown starting at qb for your favorite teams

    • shermanp79 - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:45 AM

      How can you trust Cousins less than RG3?? He cant even move the offense. Cousins has thrown 2 picks this offseason, much less than years past. He at least can put some points up, had 10TDs in 5 games and about 300 yards a game.

      You can tell Gruden hates talking about it and how could he be thrilled. Its the only position(starting QB) that isn’t a competition. Even the back ups are fighting for #2. Then people want to blame him for play calling but leave out all the issues he faces. This can turn into a repeat of last year when rumblings from players started surfacing. Plus we are repeating the mistake of making excuses for RG3. The OL, lack of reps and saying the difference in play is due to Cousins and McCoy are facing reserves. So basically too many learned nothing. A QB IS going to face pressure, especially when defenses know he cant deal with it very well. They then stack the box to bottle up the running games success. That could be why it struggles with RG3 in the game. If not, It will be during the season with RG3 playing as he has so far. This cant go beyond a game or two of the season. It will be destroyed before it gets started. There is more talent here to compete. We have some injuries that hurt and Gallete now is gone but other than TE, we have some depth to cover some of the guys. The big issue is Snyder and Allen keep pushing RG3. It would be fine if he had to earn it but this situation isn’t fair to Gruden or the other players who worked so hard to get ready for the season.

      The final thing….

      What if Cousins has improved? The guy has only played a few games. it is very possible. So he sits, we ruin the season. Then he becomes a FA after the year and goes elsewhere with success. They are worried about giving up too soon on RG3 but that scenario would be just as bad.

      • Skulb - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:54 AM

        Amen!

      • warpath1 - Aug 27, 2015 at 11:07 AM

        cousins has never had the named starters benefit of having most or all first team reps through preseason and a year to play after that, so to say he is incapable or not as good as the other two qbs is not based on equal measure. Doesnt mean i believe he would be a great qb, just means we dont and may never know.

      • TheHogs - Aug 27, 2015 at 11:13 AM

        shermanp posted: “How can you trust Cousins less than RG3??”

        Because he’s a 27-year old, 4th-round draft pick who has not demonstrated over any sufficient sample size (this is true even if you Cousins’s best season in 2014; five full starts is NOT a good sample size) the ability to be a starting NFL QB. Griffin has done this, plus he’s younger and inherently more talented.

        • Skulb - Aug 27, 2015 at 11:24 AM

          This is like a mantra now. When was the last time anyone saw Griffin and thought “Oh my what a talented man!”. Talented would be the last word I would use to describe how he looks this PS, and how he looked occasionally last year. Has-been maybe.

        • Stephfan - Aug 27, 2015 at 11:57 AM

          Skull it’s pressing season but riddle me this how amazing did Kirk and colt looked last ps and how many games did they win?

        • Skulb - Aug 27, 2015 at 11:58 AM

          They still played better than Griffin. They are still playing better than griffin.

        • abanig - Aug 27, 2015 at 12:28 PM

          Damn I wish they’d put Cousins or Kirk out against the Ravens defense for once when Trent Williams isn’t playing like the two worst games Griffin had in 2014.

          Or play Cousins and Colt against their defense without DeSean Jackson.

          It’s the only way that it’s going to get the irrational Cousins & McCoy fans to shut up.

        • Skulb - Aug 27, 2015 at 12:40 PM

          Always enjoy some good name calling. What would the internet be without it?

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 27, 2015 at 11:26 AM

          Agreed these people think that the Organization has never seen these players before lol. Losing is not profitable they will put the best players out there period.

        • TheHogs - Aug 27, 2015 at 11:45 AM

          Skulb syas: “When was the last time anyone saw Griffin and thought “Oh my what a talented man!”.”

          The man was drafted #2 in 2012, one slot behind Andrew Luck, and was considered one of the best draft prospects ever; even if you focus on areas other than running with the football. You can always debate if he fully *realizes* that talent, but don’t be obtuse in comparing Griffin’s talent to the 4th-round pick Kirk Cousins.

        • abanig - Aug 27, 2015 at 12:40 PM

          2013 was the last time anyone thought Griffin was playing special. They thought that in the Chargers game, Bears game and the Vikings game that year.

          Griffin was in a groove and playing well those games. If it wasn’t for special teams mistakes, bad defensive play and a few questionable play calls in the redzone, we win those 3 games in 2013.

        • TheHogs - Aug 27, 2015 at 12:03 PM

          Skulb posted: “They still played better than Griffin. They are still playing better than griffin.”

          Over small sample sizes. In preseason games.

        • abanig - Aug 27, 2015 at 12:12 PM

          Yes, and any qb who’s at least an average nfl qb can light up 2nd & 3rd team defenses. I’m so damn tired of hearing how Colt & Kirk looked against 20 to 30 guys who aren’t going to play on NFL rosters in two weeks.

        • TheHogs - Aug 27, 2015 at 12:51 PM

          Skulb posted: “Always enjoy some good internet name calling.”

          Skulb on 2015/08/24 at 4:23 pm
          Oh and as for balance I blame Tim for radicalizing me with his mindless comments. … Is it a plane? Is it a bird? No, it´s Captain Oblivious!

          You’re not exactly above “name-calling” yourself, Skulb.

        • Skulb - Aug 27, 2015 at 3:11 PM

          Well they are mindless. He has repeated here about 200 times his “proof” that all of last year´s sacks were the fault of the offensive line. if that isn´t mindless I don´t know what is.The difference is that I call Tim´s comments mindless because I think they are while I just got accused of being irrational simply because I think RGIII is a rotten QB. I never call Tim names. I criticize his comments. There´s a difference. One is name calling, the other is debate.

        • TheHogs - Aug 27, 2015 at 6:45 PM

          Am I actually reading this? You called Tim “Captain Oblivious” in that post, Skulb. Read it.

          “Captain Oblivious” is a name, and not a nice name at that.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Aug 28, 2015 at 1:50 AM

          @ Skulb

          Obviously you can’t count. There were 58 sacks and I said the Olinemen were responsible for 41. How is that blaming ALL of the sacks on the Oline? I even posted the link for people to judge themselves. How is Posting a link so everyone can count sacks attributed to each individual linemen mindless?

          Ya I’m Captain Obvious. It’s pretty OBVIOUS that the Oline Couldn’t hold a block to save their lives. You can’t see the Obvious. Too busy blaming the QB. I wasn’t evenin this thread and you are shooting off about me.

          Are you that Pissed that I shut down your silly Opinions with actual stats and the links to those stats that you complain about me even when I’m not part of the conversation? That’s Pathetic. You have even gone as far as accusing me of making up links like I’m a damn web designer when I proved my points with stats and provided the links. I would never go to such lengths to prove you wrong when the truth is out there and easy to find. Especially when everyone thinks your childish jealousy and hate of RG3 is ridiculous and sad.

          BTW a Debate is putting forth your point of view with some form of tangible proff to back up what your saying not weak half truths and opinions.

        • abanig - Aug 28, 2015 at 5:11 AM

          @Skub, the reason many don’t trust Cousins is simple. He doesn’t give the Redskins the best chance to win. It’s an absolute fact that’s Robert’s poor play from the pocket attributed to the Redskins losing 3 or 4 of the team’s losses last year. The thing is that Robert did enough in 3 other games Robert played in and lost last year – Hou, Minn and NYG.

          I’m not sure why some are oblivious to the fact that Cousins is 1-8 in games that he’s played at least a 1/2 in over the last two seasons.

          1 and freakin 8!!!

          Robert isn’t much better at 4-16 in his last 20 games where he’s played more than a 1/2 but he does have a two times better win % than Cousins over the last two seasons.

          When Robert plays, the offense runs the ball better, it’s more ball controlled, and therefore the defense usually gets more of a rest and plays a little better which has led to twice as many wins over Cousins games where he played more than a 1/2based on % all of this and Cousins didn’t miss any practice time in the last two years due to knee and ankle injuries that happened through no fault of his own imho.

        • gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 3:55 PM

          TIM you have a link for how many fumbles as well?

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 27, 2015 at 12:03 PM

        You’re forgetting drive killing dropped passes but those are not excuses but facts. There were some instances where RG3 could have made better decisions under constant duress and that last play where he was injured was all on him.

        However if you can’t draw a conclusion on all factors that you misplace as excuses then your logic is derived from bias.

        • gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 3:55 PM

          fumbles as well???

  12. hk2000 - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:01 AM

    Rich, you talk of pulling the plug as if it was a forgone conclusion, even though you don’t actually say it, but the deader can sense that’s what you’re expecting, yet I heard a report on ‘Bleacher Report’ a few weeks ago saying that a person in the Redskins’ front office told him that Griffin will start all 16 games of the season regardless of how he plays “Come Hell or High-water” was what the reporter quoted this individual saying- I just bring it up since it seems you haven’t heard it.

    • bangkokben - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:06 AM

      That may be true a few weeks ago. Then Griffin said some unfortunate words and backed it up with unfortunate play. The worm likely has turn.

      • hk2000 - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:19 AM

        Yeah, no. you’re all speculating, even Rich.

        • bangkokben - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:47 PM

          Of course, we are speculating. I hope Griffin has a shut-your-mouth type performance where we want to give him a parade after watching such a display of awesomeness but things change fast and if you think a media report a couple of week’s ago is the equivalent of the stone tablets from Mt. Sinai then fine. I cited two events that happened since the report that may have changed that source’s opinion. When virtually every beat reporter flips the narrative then there’s some smoke. The question was: how many weeks will Griffin be the starting quarterback? Now it is how few? Or will he even be the regular season starter? The back-up QB is always the fans most beloved player in the preseason. When the beat reporters start entertaining the idea, there’s smoke. Where there’s smoke; there’s usually fire.

    • warpath1 - Aug 27, 2015 at 11:10 AM

      i doubt we will survive 16 weeks so it may not matter. I hope he does and wins games for us, just dont think it will happen

  13. mr.moneylover - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:03 AM

    Bears had to figure out all offensive coordinators dont have success as head coaches..I said it before redskins will be better off with a college coach coming in hungary to make his mark in the NFL Jay gruden to me seem not to have that hunger because he feel like he did something with andy dolten

    • abanig - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:30 AM

      Nah, they need a defensive minded HC who hires a smart young offensive coordinator.

      Bill Belicheck – defensive minded
      Pete Carroll – defensive minded
      Chuck Pagano – defensive minded
      Mike Tomlin – defensive minded
      Bill Cowher – defensive minded
      Jon Harbaugh – special teams/defensive minded
      Marty Schotenheimer – defensive minded

      The best coaches are defensive minded with the exception of a few because having a great defense is the key to winning championships unless you have an absolute elite qb who rarely makes a mistake.

      The Redskins need to hire a defensive minded coach next time. If Snyder were smart – and he’s not – he would have fired Vinny after Gibbs retired in 08 and then hired Greg Williams as our HC and Al Saunders cousin have been the associate Hc and offensive coordinator.

      • warpath1 - Aug 27, 2015 at 11:11 AM

        problem is, who will work for him, thats why we have the other gruden

        • abanig - Aug 27, 2015 at 4:01 PM

          There are 32 coaching jobs in the nfl, and coordinator wants a HC job if it opens up.

      • sidepull - Aug 27, 2015 at 12:49 PM

        Yup. If I had my druthers I would have left Gruden alone and rolled the dice with Zimmer.

        • abanig - Aug 27, 2015 at 4:05 PM

          I wanted Bevell because of what he had done in developing Wilson and I wanted Ken Norton as our DC

  14. TheHogs - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:04 AM

    I love it whenever a poster whines that Snyder is calling the roster shots at QB and is leaving poor Jay Gruden to have to put together the roster without any input. Why should you feel sorry for Gruden?

    Gruden went out of his way to accept the head coaching job of the Washington Redskins. Even if you subscribe to the stupid Snyder-meddling conspiracy, Gruden knew what he was getting into, or should have.

  15. Skulb - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:51 AM

    I don´t think the plug would have been pulled at the very least until a losing season was a fact last year. That and the QB carousel happened because of Griffin´s injury. I expect the same thing this year really. Both for the plug not to be pulled until the ninth defeat at the earliest and for Griffin to be injured very early in the season so he never gets that far. And that will probably mean another round on the carousel for all of us. The only way around this that I can see is protecting Griffin somehow. He doesn´t seem very skilled at doing anything to protect himself, so that will have to mean an instant gel of the new offensive line and for them to play so well that nobody gets through the entire season: And that is an impossible task.

    • hk2000 - Aug 27, 2015 at 11:05 AM

      Yeah. Although I hardly share any of your opinions, on this one I agree- regarding the outcome that is. We’ll be lucky if we see 3 wins, and if so, they would come at the end when a team is resting their starters or playing for the 1st pick (a la IND. Colts)

  16. Jason - Aug 27, 2015 at 12:05 PM

    It’s over folks… Time to move on.

  17. brucefan1 - Aug 27, 2015 at 12:44 PM

    For all those of you who may be wondering, I DID NOT ghost write Rich’s blog today!

    It’s probably just a case of … hmmm…what is that they say about great minds again? LOL

    jk … jk …

    • brucefan1 - Aug 27, 2015 at 12:58 PM

      And all joking, aside there are SEVERAL commenters to this blog who have voiced pretty much Rich’s exact sentiments over the last several weeks.

      You know who you are.

      • brucefan1 - Aug 27, 2015 at 1:03 PM

        Errr… “all joking aside, ” that is! LOL

        Yikes! Two “replies” to my OWN post!! (A very dubious record on my part. Hahaha)

  18. skip36 - Aug 27, 2015 at 1:20 PM

    I was under the impression that every position on the team was opened to competition, that’s what we were told from the brain trust, so why does RG3 the only player on the team without competition at he’s position, he also doesn’t seem to have grasp of what the system expects from him, so why not let one of the other QB’s come in with the first offense & see what happens, that way we can establish what the real problem is RG3 or the line.

    • Rich Tandler - Aug 27, 2015 at 1:41 PM

      The “competition” thing is just not true. There was exactly one position–string safety–where players rotated snaps with the first team. That means that 21 of the 22 starting jobs were decided.

      • kenlinkins - Aug 27, 2015 at 3:03 PM

        Rich: Are you just stating that all positions had a starter listed / assigned at the start of OTA’s and there was no “competition” for those assignments (i.e. that assigning RG3 as the starting QB was just as normal as listing Kory L as the starting center way back when)? That the competition was to come later to see if anyone could remove a starter? Is that the way most NFL teams look at the start of the season back in April?

        • Rich Tandler - Aug 27, 2015 at 8:00 PM

          For the most part, yes. How often around the NFL (not just the Redskins) do the players who line up with the first unit in OTAs end up starting the season? I’d say about 90 percent. How many players alternate series with the first team as part of a competition? Maybe three or four dozen, two per team tops.

          I noted that, I think, 41 of the 53 Redskins’ roster spots were set before OTAs. Barring injuries, I was pretty close to 100% on them. And beat writers for other teams could probably do the same. Contracts, draft status and past performance lock players into positions throughout the league. Griffin is just one of hundreds.

        • abanig - Aug 27, 2015 at 8:27 PM

          Heck and some complain about the lack of a qb completion but there’s really only two of those in the entire NFL. One for the Bills and one for the Jets.

        • bangkokben - Aug 27, 2015 at 11:04 PM

          Rich’s comment is spot on per usual. What I don’t understand is why those who demand competition don’t demand it at RG? Then, they would at least be consistent. Of course, the reason Scherff is RG is because he was picked number five. He likely will benefit from the reps (which come during the regular season) and one day be super solid.

        • skinsgame - Aug 28, 2015 at 6:27 AM

          You could say the team had a competition at RT and he was bumped. You could also add that the team moved on from the RG they had for the past several years. And if by year 3 Scherff is injured half the time and mostly ineffective the other half… if he continually makes the same mistakes and begins making new mistakes where he didn’t previously…. and if he takes to social media and interviews to annoy the fan base… I promise you, everybody will be calling for his head.

        • abanig - Aug 28, 2015 at 6:57 AM

          What if we make the playoffs with Scherff at RG this season but he gets injured next season and is just average in his return in 2017?

          You gonna want him cut?

        • skinsgame - Aug 28, 2015 at 8:56 AM

          if in 2017 he won’t move his feet when he blocks, yes.

        • abanig - Aug 28, 2015 at 9:10 AM

          Yeah, but you’d give him a chance to prove himself in the beginning of the season right?

          After two preseason games you wouldn’t be ready to say he doesn’t deserve a shot to play in the regular season right?

          I mean if you were really thinking you’d want the qb who runs the offense the best and doesn’t make a lot of mistakes, you’d be in Colt McCoy’s corner not Kirk Cousins’. Colt is the guy who based on last year’s performances of the 3 qbs gives the teams the best chance to win. He’s the most experienced and also the most knowledgeable of the offense both pre-snap and post-snap.

          That’s why Gruden likes him the best. If any of the 3 qbs are truly ready to lead the Redskins is Colt McCoy because he’s the best leader, he’s the most experienced in the offense and while he takes chances he’s not going to take stupid chances that will cost his team the game.

          Yeah his arm is below average but he’s accurate, smart, tough and a leader. That’s someone that other players can rally around and did last year after Cousins was benched.

          If you’re trying to build a team for the long term though you would go with the most physically talented guy at least until he loses the team and then you make a change to whomever you feel gives you the best chance to win.

        • skinsgame - Aug 28, 2015 at 7:21 PM

          I would, yes. I am not an advocate of cutting young players but I am not an advocate of pretending they’re improving when they are not. If Scherff is blocking poorly in 2017 preseason games, he’ll get pushed down the depth chart and learn to improve his skills while backing up the starter. It might motivate him to compete better. It could force him to focus on details and technique. There is no shame in learning as a backup. Same for Griffin. He can get reps in practice too.

    • goback2rfk - Aug 27, 2015 at 2:18 PM

      There never was a competition because the Owner Daniel Snyder makes the calls on when and if RG3 plays.
      RG3 Will be the future QB through the rest of the decade. If RG3 can not improve than the Skins will just have to improve everyone around him.

      • abanig - Aug 28, 2015 at 7:07 AM

        Every qb needs the players around him to play better. When the defense and specials teams played better in 2012, the team won. Even if we hadn’t gone on the 7 game win streak at the end of the year in 2012, I think that team was going to win 6 or 7 games at worse.

        Don’t you remember how much better the punt and kick off coverage was that year?

        How opportunistic the defense was?

        The other players stepped up and played great around Griffin in 2010 and it’s rarely happened sense. Both Griffin and the rest of the team have underperformed since 2012 that’s for sure but it damn sure isn’t all on one player and it never is.

  19. skip36 - Aug 27, 2015 at 1:26 PM

    Also it does have to be a whole quarter for another QB to come in with the first offense just a couple of series to see if they can get something going instead of just 3 & out

  20. goback2rfk - Aug 27, 2015 at 2:08 PM

    ESPN News is announcing that Gruden does not “Respect” RG3 and new reports are coming in saying that Gruden has played RG3 behind a lackluster offensive line during the preseason so he will absorb hits.
    Apparently, news reports say Gruden does not respect and wants RG3 to take hits and get hurt. lmfao

    ESPN said that now professional coach would allow their starting QB to get rocked like that in the preseason. haha… #bad1stpick

    • brucefan1 - Aug 27, 2015 at 4:00 PM

      You mean this segment that ran on “First Take” recently, goback?

      http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=13517697

      These guys’ first take is totally based on their speculation about Gruden’s “disrespectful treatment” of Griffin, gleaned from a Bleacher Report story that quotes an “unnamed” source on that subject, supposedly another NFL head coach.

      Imho, without further corroboration and verification, it should be dismissed out of hand. (YOUR take is up to you, of course.)

      • goback2rfk - Aug 27, 2015 at 5:06 PM

        Yeah I did not get the full story. Thanks for the link. I just saw a brief headline that said “Gruden Disrespects RG3” and whats him to take hits in the preseason. lol

      • hk2000 - Aug 27, 2015 at 8:07 PM

        Thans for the link. After listening to that, I say fire the jerk now!!!

    • abanig - Aug 27, 2015 at 8:28 PM

      ESPN is basically a tabloid station

  21. cowboyhater - Aug 27, 2015 at 2:53 PM

    It’s over folks….this will end badly because you can hear sarcasm in RG’s answers in terms of last weeks game. This tells me that he doesn’t trust he coach, and feels he has been unfairly criticized. I can agree with him on some points, but wow he just keeps putting his foot in his mouth with some of his comments, and he is not proving anything to me on the field. Yes the O-line has not played well, and injuries have kept players off the field but if you are a real football fan, and have a good sense of the game while taking off your burgundy and gold glasses, you can just see his does not look like an NFL ready QB. I don’t even know if Cousins is that guy either…..our QB could either be on another team, or in college. The plug needs to be pulled so Griffin doesn’t get a season ending injury and we would be on the hook for that 5th year option.

    • gasngo14 - Aug 27, 2015 at 3:23 PM

      unfortunately i have to agree its down to the last hour for sure!!

    • brucefan1 - Aug 27, 2015 at 4:18 PM

      Uh oh, hater, what did he say NOW? Didn’t see any quotes from today’s presser. Yikes… I’m almost afraid to look!

      Who did Griffin blame today?! Don’t tell me he threw the O-Line under the bus, or gave any credence to the scurrilous rumors going around that Gruden is hanging him out to dry & undermining his career? That would not be good! Probably called negative attention to himself again TODAY, right?

      If you could paste a link to what was said when he talked to the media (or even recap it for me) I’d be grateful. THANKS!

      (Why doesn’t RG just talk about NOT wanting to assign any blame; or that they all just try to get better together; or that they have to move ahead as a TEAM, for a change. NO ONE could argue with those sentiments! No?)

    • warpath1 - Aug 27, 2015 at 9:52 PM

      If there was a super bowl for drama we would win every year. Just the way the rest of the nfc east loves it

  22. brucefan1 - Aug 27, 2015 at 5:29 PM

    Anybody got a link to were i can see that media session for Griffin? Anybody? Nobody?

    I gotta see how bad it was!

  23. brucefan1 - Aug 27, 2015 at 5:55 PM

    Just saw that presser;

    WTF!! That was it! I was lead to believe it would be SO much more.

    Pure boilerplate. Trite cliches! Why didn’t he go after anyone? Why didn’t he whine? Weak.

    Man … I know he’s required to go out there and meet the media, but if he’s not gonna say something stupid or controversial, why even bother … right? ;^}

    But I shouldn’t fret, its still early! I’m sure SOMEONE will parse a few words out of his answers, assign the proper nefarious connotation to them, and turn it into an “RG3” headline!

    Woo-hoo!!

    • gasngo14 - Aug 27, 2015 at 6:11 PM

      how many sacs does he take against Balt?

      • gasngo14 - Aug 27, 2015 at 6:12 PM

        *sacks

      • brucefan1 - Aug 27, 2015 at 8:38 PM

        Why the heck would one attempting to make such a ridiculous, pointless prediction as that, gasman14?

        I dunno, how many sacs? One? One thousand?! LOL

        To me, trying to (or even WANTING to) make a prediction like that is a fools errand, oh gaseous one.

        So go for it, by all means then — this should be right up your ally. ;^}

        • gasngo14 - Aug 27, 2015 at 9:19 PM

          I thought you are one of the “coach is out to get rg3 hurt club” LMAO …but i forgot you are just the guy who comes in and farts around!!!

        • abanig - Aug 27, 2015 at 9:32 PM

          I’ll go with 3 sacks in 3 quarters for Griffin.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:21 PM

          Bruce, you do know that gas is a troll that has been banned from other Redskin sites? This is his motto of acting like he is involved in a serious discussion and then deteriorating to discussions like above. Basically he is trying to bring you down to his level.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:54 PM

          Meant to state modus operandi not motto. I’m just letting you know his little game in case you aren’t aware.

        • gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 7:02 AM

          nameis here …aka JDHAWK the only troll here are you and all your different screen names! BTW I really feel for you getting suckered into buying club level season tickets after RG3 rookie year ..lol how is that working out? You have enjoyed so many home WINS im sure :)

  24. Steven Morrow - Aug 27, 2015 at 8:46 PM

    As usual coach Snyder, makes the decision. Which is why we are in the cellar. He just can’t seem to get it.

    • gasngo14 - Aug 27, 2015 at 9:24 PM

      You maybe right, I do know Danny wants-likes to sell jerseys and everything else he can. I really feel for the fools who bought season tickets after seeing rg3 rookie season they thought for sure he was the next big thing?

      Looks like it was a one trick pony in a shanahan circus!!!!!

  25. warpath1 - Aug 27, 2015 at 10:09 PM

    Sorry, I think ” I just work here” sounds like I don’t want to be a redskin. I think we should make his wish come true, if that’s how he feels

    • gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 7:03 AM

      sounds logical to me!!!

      • abanig - Aug 28, 2015 at 7:19 AM

        It was a joke…

        • gasngo14 - Aug 28, 2015 at 3:59 PM

          why so many excuses?

        • abanig - Aug 29, 2015 at 9:27 AM

          You see facts as excuses, that is not my problem.

    • abanig - Aug 28, 2015 at 7:12 AM

      He should start talking about the weather during interviews, that’d be hilarious!

      • Stephfan - Aug 28, 2015 at 7:14 AM

        Saying he just works here is correct though? People need to stop over analyzing everything this man says. Hell I say it at my job but if don’t mean I wanna leave…

  26. warriorview - Aug 28, 2015 at 11:45 AM

    I didn’t think RG3 was worth the draft cost. They did need a QB but others would have improved the team if the rest of the roster had been improved. That being said, it is my view that RG3 is unfairly treated in the sports media. That’s not unique, but he’s part of the dysfunction the Shanahans left with the team. Shanahan was desperate for success after botching thing up for the prior two years, so he pushed for a prize prospect and then instead of making that prospect a development project created a very short term risky offensive strategy. Then when disaster hit the spin blame game got played. The new GM is probably the best thing. Jay Gruden on the other hand is not yet a good head coach. How can you not see the issues you had in the middle of last year’s season and not adjust– it wasn’t the QB– all of them had rough times. It was the synergy of having a porous defense and not being able to rely on the running game for that reason. The Redskins have not been a good straight passing offense for as long as I can remember. Having young QBs with challenges (all of them) and not having a QB coach last year sort of says it all. What I don’t understand is the “it must be Dan Snyder’s fault” line. True enough before Cerrato was fired, but it gets trotted out when the fault is really on the folks who have the decisions and that was Shanahan and then Allen-Gruden. This year we will see. Maybe RG3 is a bust, maybe all of them are–but unless the whole team starts playing better, then it ain’t just one thing.

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