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Need to Know: Will RG3 benefit from an improved Redskins O-line?

Jun 30, 2015, 5:03 AM EDT


Here is what you need to know on this Tuesday, June 30, 30 days before the Washington Redskins start training camp.

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Let’s look at this from a couple of angles here. First, will the line be better? Certainly, it will be different with Spencer Long moving in at right guard in place of the departed Chris Chester, top draft pick Brandon Scherff moving in at right guard with Tom Compton being pushed aside and Bill Callahan taking over the coaching duties.

But will different necessarily be better? Chester was cut for a number of reasons, his age (32) and salary cap number ($4.8 million) chief among them. He wasn’t cut because he’s a horrible player. Pro Football Focus rated him 15th among front-line starting right guards last year. That’s not great but it is not awful either; it’s the definition of replacement level or average. Long was given every opportunity to push Chester aside last year and he couldn’t do it. The hope is that Long will be better over time and he’ll certainly be cheaper. But there is no guarantee that Long will be better in 2015 than Chester was in 2014.

Scherff is likely to be an upgrade over Compton, who was in the lower part of PFF’s ranking, right off the bat. But Jay Gruden certainly doesn’t expect him to be perfect when it comes to pass blocking. The No. 5 overall draft pick is “going to get beat a couple times by some top-level pass rushers,” Gruden said during minicamp. It seems as though Griffin can expect some pressure from the right side.

Callahan has an excellent reputation as an offensive line coach. But so did the man he replaced, Chris Foerster. It may be that Callahan can get more out of the unit but it’s not like he’s replacing some sort of a hack.

And there are potential issues with the holdovers. Trent Williams played on one leg for a good chunk of last season and missed a game and a half, Kory Lichtensteiger has to adjust to executing power blocks at 296 lb. and Shawn Lauvao was second on the team with 20 QB hurries given up.

I’m intentionally focusing on the negative here to make the point that it’s not a given that the Redskins will field a better O-line this year. But if things fall into place, they could be a pretty good line, especially as the season goes on and Scherff and Long get more snaps under their belts. If they do develop into the unit many fans hope they can be, can Griffin take advantage of it?

That remains to be seen. It won’t help much if he holds on to the ball too long like he did at times last year. Last year he dropped back to pass 247 times and was sacked 33 times (13.4 percent). Playing behind the same line Kirk Cousins had 212 dropbacks and was sacked eight times (3.8 percent). All of Griffin’s issues were not traceable to a shaky offensive line.

If the line is indeed better then that should help Griffin. But even if it does materialize, improved protection will not be a cure for all that ails his game.


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  1. colorofmyskinz - Jun 30, 2015 at 5:41 AM

    Very realistic write up here Rich!! I like how you keep it real and don’t just fall in line with dillusional fans. Last year RGIII fans were belly aching over RGIII being benched, reaching back to that never to be reproduced rookie season of 2012.

    Fans need to realize we will never see that again for a number of reasons:
    1) RGII (RGIII’s dad) and RGIII don’t want RGIII to run like that again. Frankly RGIII is scared to go wreckless abandon in the NFL for good reason.
    2) NFL offenses figured out that read option package Shanny designed, a one trick pony for the most part
    3) Gruden will never copy Shanny and he wants a passer. Coming in and copying Shanny would be admitting defeat as the QB Whisper.

    RGIII has some major developing to do to become an NFL passer being that he never ran any type of NFL plays in college. Footwork, timing, reading defenses, gelling with recievers, resisting old habits… Too many to list. Many NFL QBs get that experience in college depending on the system they came out of.

    I hope he can make the transition and learn faster the most for him and the team.

    • Skulb - Jun 30, 2015 at 8:30 AM

      The line can improve significantly and still not be enough to help Griffin because he`s just too slow. He needs to improve that himself and not blame everyone else. As long as he holds onto the ball too long he`s not gonna make it in the NFL.

    • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jun 30, 2015 at 11:05 AM

      1. Only the Media and Shannahan have said he didn’t wasnt to run those plays. RG3 himself said he doesn’t have a problem running those plays and will do whatever to help the team. You want to believe Shannahan about this but think he’s a liar when he said he was sitting RG3 because there was nothing to ain and he didn’t want to risk getting him injured. So is Shannahan a liar or not?

      2. Exactly when did teams “figure out” the offense? Because we weren’t stopped till RG3 got hurt and we still get yards off of those plays the few times they are called. Infact Seattle has excelled using those plays. So who and when did they “figure out” the plays?

      • jonevans511 - Jun 30, 2015 at 2:11 PM

        Nice rebuttal Tim, you beat me to the punch.

      • Skulb - Jun 30, 2015 at 2:46 PM

        Yes but Seattle also has a much better offense around Wilson to do them. A QB needs to play according to the offense he`s a part of. The first thing is to figure out how much time you`re likely to have to get rid of the ball and try to make sure you`re fast enough. Wilson does that, RGIII does not. The problem last year and in 2013 wasn`t that he wasn`t able to run but that the passing game didn`t constitute a credible threat so the running game suffered. You need both. RGIII needs both. And then his option plays will be more deadly and so will the running game in general.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jun 30, 2015 at 2:51 PM

          We stopped running them nobody stopped us

        • Skulb - Jun 30, 2015 at 2:57 PM

          The bad passing and blocking stopped it. Half the plays weren`t even executed last year because of individual mistakes so we really have no way of knowing any of this. Maybe options were called and Griffin got in the headlights and froze or didn`t see an opening. He certainly held onto the ball long enough occasionally for things to have been options.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jun 30, 2015 at 5:06 PM

          We all know what the Pistol Formation looks like how many times did you see RG3 in that formation? Thats how we know the plays weren’t called

  2. colorofmyskinz - Jun 30, 2015 at 6:28 AM

    The biggest question: how many games will GRUDEN and SCOT allow RGIII to post similar tape as last year before they choose to bench him? The tape is how they will decide. If he has not improved fundamentals we know needs improvement, how many games? My guess 3 games of no improvement up to 6 tops.

    Because that number of games might not be enough for the new line to gel.

    So, line improvements might not impact the decisions made…

    • nathansworldorder - Jun 30, 2015 at 7:41 AM

      And also because they wouldn’t want to risk him getting injured. If that happens and he can’t pass the end of the year physical, than they owe him $16 mil. That’s the major downside to picking up the option. He’s basically on a shorter leesh now.

      • colorofmyskinz - Jun 30, 2015 at 8:08 AM

        Great point! Agreed.

      • skinsgame - Jun 30, 2015 at 8:20 AM

        Last year Griffin was injured on a play where he wasn’t hit. That bodes poorly for the injury clause of that option.

  3. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Jun 30, 2015 at 8:29 AM

    can Griffin take advantage of it?

    If he can’t we’re going to need a new QB. He’s still young, he can learn if he wants to.

  4. skinsgame - Jun 30, 2015 at 8:29 AM

    There is no telling how the line is going to perform in the long run but it is exciting to have newer players occupying the positions and a new coach to bring them along. If Foerester truly has an outstanding reputation as a line coach, his track record doesn’t show it. His stint in Washington was the 2nd longest of his career.

  5. captblood3000 - Jun 30, 2015 at 8:42 AM

    You’re right to be skeptical about the new starters. But as I regularly remind people, Long tore an ACL in October 2013 so he wasn’t physically ready to push Chester out of the starting role for most of 2014. And Long would likely have gone in round 2 of the 2014 draft if he hadn’t torn that ACL. So patience with Long in 2014 should pay off in 2015. Not that Redskins fans are a patient bunch.

    Gruden’s assessment of Scherff strikes me as realistic. I think there will be occasional flashes of the Scherff who couldn’t pass protect against Maryland last year. Better opponents almost guarantee that. But Scherff’s work ethic and Callahan’s coaching almost guarantee weekly improvement. I also expect Scherff to open huge holes in the running game beginning week 1. So I believe Scherff will be an upgrade at right tackle, and improve as the season progresses.

    • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jun 30, 2015 at 10:51 AM

      Funny how people think some players should be given some slack when coming off of injury but others are expected to perform at a high level immediately. SMH

      • Skulb - Jun 30, 2015 at 2:47 PM

        Two seasons of trashy play is not “immediately”.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jun 30, 2015 at 2:53 PM

          His stats from 2013 were average last year was bad look at my comment below and you will see why

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jul 1, 2015 at 10:19 AM

          Players usually aren’t 100% from an ACL till their second year after the tear. So once he got 100% he hurt his ankle. He is only 2 years removed so like I said some people are cut some slack after injuries and for some reason RG3 is not.

        • Skulb - Jul 1, 2015 at 1:10 PM

          Well he`s been injured for what basically amounts to 20% of his career already. What use is it to anyone to have a QB who was really good in 2012 and who probably would be good now if he wasn`t injured?
          He needs to stay healthy. That`s just the end of the discussion. But he also needs to perform in the new system at a somewhat competent level. I`m not sure I think he`ll be able to do either. Hopefully he will.

      • captblood3000 - Jun 30, 2015 at 9:33 PM

        “Some people”? I thought Griffin came back too soon from his ACL injury.

  6. gonavybeatarmy - Jun 30, 2015 at 9:01 AM


    This is an excellent analysis, far different from so much of the happy talk that’s coming from seemingly so many other sources. I’d gladly like to be wrong but it’s hard to see anything other than last place in the division this season.

    McCloughan is not an immediate miracle worker. He’ll eventually get things right if given the necessary time and autonomy. But he has inherited a mess.

    • jonevans511 - Jun 30, 2015 at 2:26 PM

      It may be hard to see anything other than a poor season, but I think you’re overreaching with the whole “last place in the division” comment. Of course both of us are speculating so it’s a moot point, but here goes.

      Not that I think we’re destined for first place, let me be clear, but I am not overly concerned with any other team in our division. Every one has question marks- will the GMen OL allow Eli more than a half second to throw? What about their run game? Will the new-look Eagles be better than last year, especially considering they brought in three injury-prone and/or overworked in 2014 players in Bradford, Murray and Mathews? Is their D going to continue to improve, or will they look like the first 8 games of 2014 Eagles D? Will the Boys run game be as effective, even though they have a terrific O-Line, with a collection of young/injury-prone/career backup RBs? And again, what about their defense?

      The point being no team in this division is all that scary right now and until we see how the draft/FA pickups turn out, there’s no way to say with any kind of confidence how good or bad Skins will be in the division.

      As long as we show progress in all three phases of the game, I’ll be fine regardless of our W-L record. My guess right now is as arbitrary as anyone else’s, but I’m going out on a limb and predicting 7-9 with a 3-3 record in the division. We’ll lose a couple we shouldn’t and win a couple we shouldn’t, but all in all our D will be top-10 in takeaways (eyerolls from the cynical fans commencing….. now) and total sacks, our run game will be top 5 in terms of yards/game and yards/carry, and our passing attack will be average (call it, 10th-17th) in terms of net yards/play and passing yards/game. Is that far-fetched? Perhaps, but I am banking on somewhat of a turnaround from RG and a significantly improved defense fueled by a bunch of guys who either want to take the bad taste of 2014 out of their mouths or want to prove to the team and fans that they worth the FA pickup/draft pick.

      In summary, onward and upwards my Skins bretheren. It can only get worse if injuries and/or lack of effort get in the way. It can better a number of ways, so let’s be glass-half-full fans until the players and/or coaching staff lead us down another path. Fair?

      • Skulb - Jun 30, 2015 at 2:50 PM

        Well said. I`ve said 6-10 all the way and I`m sticking with that as a realistic expectation, and one I think the fans need to be relatively satisfied with, all things considered. Anything better than that is a pleasant surprise and anything worse a disappointment. But I do think they have at least a 6-10 in them.

      • ET - Jun 30, 2015 at 3:52 PM

        We’ll lose a couple we shouldn’t and win a couple we shouldn’t …

        I agree that somewhere between 6-10 and 9-7 is realistic. 7-9 is an entirely reasonable guess. Your predictions for the defense are pretty optimistic—but, hey, if those come to pass we’ll all be thrilled. I do believe will be back in the top 12 on run D, and am cautiously optimistic about the pass rush and (to a lesser extent) the secondary.

  7. bangkokben - Jun 30, 2015 at 10:10 AM

    Super solid work, Rich! The changes to the o-line needed to happen due to the change of offenses. Chester may have been average – but he was observantly inadequate for this offense. Polumbus as well and Compton is probably nothing more than a back-up. Even though, I believe that the changes made on the line were for the better, you never know how they’re going to work out. Last year the consensus belief was that by signing Hatcher the Redskins were immediately improving their pass rush while hurting their division rival – even if the contract wasn’t ideal. How did that work out? The theory was sound but other possibilities lurked out there. And as you mentioned, Griffin wasn’t just a victim of a poor o-line and even if they pass block better, he still has to through the ball on time. However, if the o-line improves in the running game, Griffin and Gruden should be able to take advantage of better down and distance situations. Then we can see more 3rd and threes than 3rd and eight pluses. Then we can see if coach and quarterback can handle a more manageable game.

    • ET - Jun 30, 2015 at 12:49 PM

      Setting up Griffin to succeed—with more favorable 3rd down scenarios, better pass protection, more diverse play selection, and better initial field position—is crucial. Each aspect is a building block. Scot has a clear idea about what will help Robert succeed. But you’re right, the interesting part is when theory is put into practice. Especially when key injuries derail the master plan (as I’d argue happened with Hatcher last season).

  8. timwillhidetimwillhide - Jun 30, 2015 at 10:45 AM

    There are a couple factors in how well RG3 will play with the Oline’s Pass Blocking being the Major Factor

    The Oline was Ranked 31st in Pass Blocking per football outsiders. With 101 hits and 59 sacks. A Lot of fans watch the Oline get pushed back right off the snap. It’s hard to play with the Oline on your lap. Being one of the most Blitzed QBs puts allot of pressure on the Oline literally. Some of these issues are also on the Coach and his play calls.

    When you Pass the ball 60% of the time its hard for your team to be successful and pull off plays that slow the rush like play action. RG3 is most successful with some sort of play cation or bootleg. Last year Gruden called half as many play action plays compared to 2012. A Coach should call plays to Maximize his players Strengths. Our Oline was built to run the Bootleg not for straight up Drop Back after Drop Back after Drop Back….ect. I f you know your Oline is weak at Pass Blocking then you call plays to cover them i.e.Play Action, Bootlegs, Hurry Up, Pistol, Read Option, and you Run the ball more early. Too many times he called Pass plays right off of the bat.

    RG3 needs to learn if he’s getting ran over out there Audible to one of the type of plays mentioned above to slow the Pass Rush. Was RG3 hesitant (holding onto the ball too long) on some of his throws? YES. That is to be expected with a player in his first year in an offense. But it wasn’t the sole reason for the sacks. RG3 was one of the most Blitzed QBs last year more Blitzes= more sacks plain and simple. If Blitzing didn’t produce more sacks teams wouldn’t do it.

    I’m not confident that the Oline will be much better. I guess it really couldn’t be worse. We have a new Oline Coach but everywhere he had success those teams had 3 1st round Olinemen. So was it him or the talent? Trent Williamsis solid and so was the Center but the other 3 positions were horrible. Regardless what Pro football focus ranked Chester he looked like a turn stile to most same with RT. LG didn’t fare much better. Although Chester is gone we don’t know what we have in Long yet (assuming he is the starter). It was Great getting Sherff but maybe he should be playing Guard. It has bin reported that he is struggling at RT and most believe he is a better fit at Guard and can be Dominant there. LG BLAH. I think that is most fans opinion of that position hopefully someone pushes him out because that is another weakness on this Oline.

    I think they should move Sherff to RG and sign Jake Long (IF THE MEDICAL CHECKS OUT) or Baker to play RT. and let our Guards battle it out for LG. I would feel more confident in our Oline. When given time RG3 has shown he can be Dominant.

    • bangkokben - Jun 30, 2015 at 11:47 AM

      Tim, thank you for putting your opinion out there. I believe I understand your point of view. I disagree with many of your conclusions and some of your assertions. I will respond MUCH later with a line-by-line rebuttal. Until then, have a great day. HTTR!

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jul 1, 2015 at 10:23 AM

        I would like to respond to your rebuttal but I don’t have time till this weekend because I work second shift and have my little boy till I go to work. not much time. But Check back this weekend probably Sunday.

        • bangkokben - Jul 1, 2015 at 11:09 AM

          Fair enough.

    • Skulb - Jun 30, 2015 at 2:54 PM

      You can not pin all those hits and sacks on the line. The blocking was awful a lot of the time. And the people who missed many of those blocks were the tight ends, the receivers and the backs, not the line. If you look at pure line stats the Redskins` line was average, not bad. The blockers were probably 31st or worse though. Just don`t blame the line for that.

    • bangkokben - Jun 30, 2015 at 3:01 PM

      “There are a couple factors in how well RG3 will play with the O-line’s Pass Blocking being the Major Factor.” “The O-line was Ranked 31st in Pass Blocking per football outsiders…”

      This is a pass protection ranking, which includes QB, RBs, and TEs. This ranking is for all of 2014 regardless of the QB. Its primary source is the adjusted sack rate.

      Since we had three different quarterbacks we can then look at football outsiders QB: pass pressure rankings. Only Cousins and Griffin qualify due to McCoy not having the necessary 200 pass plays – defined in the link below – to be included in sample.

      Cousins had 217 and Griffin had 267 pass plays. Cousins only faced pressure 17.6% of the time (3rd least of the 37 QBs in sample). Griffin faced pressure 29.6% of the time ranked 31st. Quite a difference between the two passers. We will get to that later. Cousins with a DVOA of -75.2% ranked 20th against pressure; Griffin had a DVOA of -155.0% with only Josh McCown’s -155.6% being worse. So did the o-line block for Cousins and not Griffin? Was it the play calling, as Tim suggests? I’d argue that perhaps it was the defenses’ play calling. If a quarterback struggles with pressure then send pressure. However, the difference between QBs suggest that Griffin was significantly responsible for the o-line’s poor pass protection ranking. Furthermore, Griffin in 2013, faced pressure 28.0% with a DVOA of -86.9%, ranked 27th out of 40. There is very little difference (1.6%) in the amount of pressure Griffin faced from 2014 to 2013 but how he preformed against that pressure was significant. I’d suggest it was primarily due to his lack of familiarity with the new offense.

      {This isn’t an argument for who should be the Redskins’ quarterback – although I’m sure Cousins’ fans will latch on to it. Instead, it is an answer to the topic: will RG3 benefit from an improved o-line? Or the implication: Will improved pass protection help RG3?}

      I don’t know. I agree with Rich that Griffin’s problems were more than just a bad o-line play. I also think the team will benefit from an improved running game (better down and distance.) RG3 was terrible against pressure last year but was great in 2012. Perhaps a more telling stat is how Cousins and Griffin did without pressure. Cousins was 25th (35.6%) and Griffin just behind him at 27th (33.3%). This is a slight improvement from Robert’s 2013 numbers (31.0%) also 27th. But twenty-fifth isn’t going to get it done. It suggests that there’s a lot to work on between the QBs and the offense and more importantly it suggests that the problems aren’t just the o-line.

      • kenlinkins - Jun 30, 2015 at 3:25 PM

        You hit the nail on the head. Teams went after RG3 much more than Cousins. Why is the next question as most team targeted him like a rookie QB who could be made to panic. When Cousins was in they played games in the D-backfield and waited for a mistake or bad throw for a INT. So, of the 3 QB’s on the roster, would RG3 be helped the most if given more time? Not so easy to answer when a QB is unwilling to pull the trigger. The preseason games will give us the short answer and that is only about 5 /6 weeks away.

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jul 5, 2015 at 1:54 AM

        Both Qbs being ranked so low from the same team points Directly to Bad Pass Blocking. A Gm doesn’t Draft 3 Olinemen 1 with the #5 overall Pick if there wasn’t a Problem there Especially the year after we Drafted 2 and signed a free Agent the year Before. That’s 6 new Olinemen the last 2 off seasons. there is Obviously a Problem with the oline this Team has bin trying Unsuccessfully to fix. I think Shannahan was trying to fix it too but with the Cap Penalty he couldn’t. I also doubt he would have given up so much for RG3 if he knew we were gonna get hit with that penalty. I honestly feel his plan was to fix the Oline through Free Agency but couldn’t because of the penalty.

        • bangkokben - Jul 6, 2015 at 10:50 AM

          Here’s where I agree: Shanahan wouldn’t have made the move to pick RG3 had he known he was going to get cap penalized. Also agree with the o-line being a problem. A problem created by Shanahan and his system – it wouldn’t have been a problem if the Shanahans stayed. They liked the o-line. It created big gains in the running game. (1st and 5th in 2012 and 2013) Shanahan had never been one to use expensive resources on the line – the same way with running back. Because of this, I sincerely doubt that the cap penalty significantly hurt his chances from upgrading the line. He gave Chester the contract that he was released from and Atlanta immediately signed him to another lucrative deal. ‘Steiger has his contract after being picked up from the scrap heap. He drafted Leribeus in the 3rd when nearly everyone said he over-reached. He made the trade to NO for Ray Brown to become right tackle and then after one injury plagued season gave him a significant contract. When yoga didn’t work, in came Tyler Polumbus. No. Shanahan built the line and it is an utter failure in any other system. Now he did draft Trent Williams and he got that one right. Chris Samuels’ neck condition forced his retirement and Shanahan wisely chose Williams over Okung.

    • bangkokben - Jun 30, 2015 at 4:15 PM

      Part two of three:

      “A Lot of fans watch the O-line get pushed back right off the snap. It’s hard to play with the O-line on your lap.”
      Agreed but this clearly was the exception and not the norm otherwise the consensus would overwhelmingly be with you on this. I’d guess that 20% agree with you.

      “Being one of the most Blitzed QBs puts allot of pressure on the O-line literally.” “RG3 was one of the most Blitzed QBs last year more Blitzes= more sacks plain and simple. If Blitzing didn’t produce more sacks teams wouldn’t do it.”
      Yes the blitz does provide pressure and until you beat it; it’s going to come. However, here is what football outsiders say about the blitz: “Offenses fare better against the blitz regardless of whether or not the pressure gets there.” For further explanation check out paragraphs 3 & 4 along with the table within in the link I previously posted. Blitzing also puts less men in coverage, which is why offenses are overall more successful against the blitz. In 2012 RG3 was excellent against the blitz but not since then.

      “Some of these issues are also on the Coach and his play calls.”
      This board is filled with that sentiment.

      “When you Pass the ball 60% of the time it’s hard for your team to be successful and pull off plays that slow the rush like play action.”
      I’m going have get back to you on this one – if you want me to. But my gut feeling is that there are some successful teams that passed more proportionately than the Redskins.

      “RG3 is most successful with some sort of play action or bootleg. Last year Gruden called half as many play action plays compared to 2012.”
      RG3 is great in play-action but could this change have happened due to different quarterbacks playing the position? Or could have down and distance been a factor? Morris’ yards per carry was also down 0.75 yards. Could that have been a factor? Are any of these possible factors legitimate?

      “A Coach should call plays to Maximize his players Strengths.”
      Yes and a player should execute the play a coach calls.

      “Our O-line was built to run the Bootleg not for straight up Drop Back after Drop Back after Drop Back….etc. If you know your O-line is weak at Pass Blocking then you call plays to cover them (i.e. Play Action, Bootlegs, Hurry Up, Pistol, Read Option, and you Run the ball more early.)”
      Ding! Ding! Ding! That’s why the o-line is being rebuilt. It wasn’t built for Gruden’s offense. However, it’s not like those plays were never called, but certainly called disproportionately to your preferences.

      “Too many times he called Pass plays right off of the bat.”
      Yes, he did and too often the running game failed on 1st down.

      “RG3 needs to learn if he’s getting ran over out there Audible to one of the type of plays mentioned above to slow the Pass Rush.”
      I doubt Griffin was given this authority last year.

      “Was RG3 hesitant (holding onto the ball too long) on some of his throws? YES. That is to be expected with a player in his first year in an offense.”

      “But it wasn’t the sole reason for the sacks.”
      Of course not the SOLE reason. Primary reason? Probably.

      more to come

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jul 5, 2015 at 2:23 AM

        as far as you thinking only 20% of the people think the Oline was pushed back at the snap I would say it’s over 50% only a Few people that can’t comprehend that a QB needs time to throw the Ball don’t agree. If you want to prove me wrong about how little time it was till pressure got to the QB. Then let me know what the TIME TILL PRESSURE stat is. That stat measures the amount of time the Oline holds their Block. TIME TO THROW IS A SEPARATE STAT THAT IS FLAWED. How is it Flawed you ask? It includes the time a QB is running from the Pressure so a statue like Payton Manning will have a Time till Pressure and a Time To Throw stat that are similar while RG3 who can run from the pressure will have a wider gap between the 2 stats. ‘why it is Flawed and Time to Pressure will give you the True amount of time a QB has.

        • bangkokben - Jul 6, 2015 at 10:56 AM

          Tim, I’ve read all this before. Me and the 80% that don’t put it all on the o-line use our eyes. When you have 3 qbs using the same line you have a control. As for time til pressure, that stat would/should measure time until the qb senses pressure. This could be real or imagined. The coaches blame half of the sacks on the quarterback.

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jul 5, 2015 at 2:37 AM

        RG3 was excellent against the Blitz in 2012 because the Coach called plays to cover up for the Bad Oline. The coach chose not to call plays that helped slow the blitz in fact he cut the play action calls by half of what they were called and if a Coach is gonna call constant drop backs then the defense is gonna pin their ears back and get after the QB you are right not to argue the coaches play calling because it was bad .and you have to pound the rock to have sustained success.
        You want the QB to execute the plays the Coach calls but that is near impossible with the Horrible Pass Blocking (Ranked 31st) and if the Coach called more plays like the ones I listed it would have covered up the Bad Pass Blocking and we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
        RG3 being Hesitant on a couple of his passes clearly wasn’t the Primary Reason PAS BLOCKING RANKED 31st it’s Obvious.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jul 6, 2015 at 1:51 AM

          For everyone who thinks the Oline wasn’t that Bad 41 Sacks where attributed to the Oline. Count them up yourselves. A lot of fans where saying the TEs and RBs counted for some of the 17 remaining sacks that doesn’t leave a whole lot on the QBs does it?

        • bangkokben - Jul 6, 2015 at 10:59 AM

          The assumption that play action is called to cover poor pass blocking is nowhere near why play action is called. That would be maybe four on the list of a benefit to calling play action but would never be a reason for calling play action.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jul 7, 2015 at 12:41 AM

          Funny how there is zero comment on the stats that attribute each sack to each Olinemen. What you couldn’t think of a way to explain those cold hard facts away? And as far as The Time Till Pressure stat it is from the snap to the point a defender beats his guy to cause pressure. Not whatever you made up.

    • bangkokben - Jun 30, 2015 at 4:59 PM

      “I’m not confident that the O-line will be much better. I guess it really couldn’t be worse. We have a new O-line Coach but everywhere he had success those teams had 3 1st round O-linemen. So was it him or the talent?”
      What??!! Everywhere?? Callahan has been around for a while and successful in multiple places. If you take the draft value chart, I’m sure the ‘skins have close to if not more points than the Cowboys when it comes to first round talent (Williams and Scherff both being fifth picks and the ‘boys being 16th, 31st, and 9th.) You’re entitled to your trepidation as Rich illustrated in this piece that improvement isn’t a foregone conclusion, but it seems like you may be creating an ‘out’ for Griffin.

      As for your assessment of the current o-line, our only significant disagreement is the moving of Scherff and subsequent signings. Sam Baker couldn’t make it as Atlanta’s right tackle after being drafted as a left tackle. No thanks. Jake Long is done, but even if he passed his medical, NO! Unless it’s an ultra-cheap one-year deal and even then it harkens to the past when we didn’t know how to build a team. Since the firing of Shanahan, we have drafted FIVE O-linemen (A 1st rounder, two 3rd rounders, a 4th, and a 7th.) These are the future and these will make up the bulk of the depth. You can only keep nine on your roster.

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jul 5, 2015 at 2:51 AM

        The Cowboys have 3 first round Talented players on their Oline (4 if you count Collins) we have 2 that’s more first round players than us 2 guys ain’t gonna make a 3rd.
        Baker was released due to money and scheme change nothing wrong with giving him or Long a look. 7th rounders are usually on the Practice squad so you have 4 with the 3 starters from last year and LeBerius thats 8 with 1 spot open to win possibly 2 with my plan because the 2 Guards that start with L cant spell either of their name could get cut.

        And with us Drafting FIVE O-Linemen as you say That also Points to a weak Oline.

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jul 5, 2015 at 2:23 PM

        I want to address this notion that I’m giving RG3 an OUT. I don’t give anyone an out and me just pointing out that we have No Clue if the Oline will be improved until they play is not giving an OUT. Are you telling me you are going to be bias and Blame RG3 if the Oline Fails? I try too look at the totality of the situation that’s why I don’t blame RG3 for Most of the sacks. I know that you need an Oline to Pass Block for the QB to Succeed. If the the Oline Plays better and gives the QB time and RG3 falters I will be the first to say it was the QB, but I’m not gonna automatically Proclaim like most that the Oline is better without even seeing them in action that would be stupid. Just like all the comments that The Oline was decent when they were not. I will Never give any Players an OUT but I also won’t blame a player for his performance when that performance depends on others around him to perform and they don’t (RANKED 31st IN PASS BLOCKING) Judging and Blaming a player in that situation is also stupid and shows no knowledge for how the game is played.

        • bangkokben - Jul 6, 2015 at 11:35 AM

          “Are you telling me you are going to be bias and Blame RG3 if the Oline Fails?”

          That’s a very good question. The simple answer is no. Was Haslet hampered by all the defensive injuries last year? Most definitely. Not at all his fault but in the end of the day it comes down to production. Due to the contract and the option, regardless of how the o-line preforms – or the receivers for that matter (they could drop a bunch of passes) – the end of the season will be the “end of the day” and Griffin will be weighed on production whether it is his fault or not.

          As for the sacks, these coaches contribute half on the QB if you believe what John Keim has reported. That would significantly share blame on your pass protection stats with the quarterback most specifically Griffin if you also consider Griffin’s pressure stats. But the biggest argument against this belief that “if Griffin has time…” rhetoric is that he has been 27th the last two years against no pressure.

          Does this mean Griffin can’t improve? HELL NO! It just means that his improvement is not dependent on the o-line’s improvement. Griffin can improve and the o-line could be the same. The o-line could be improved and Griffin be the same. Both should result in better outcomes for the team. Of course if they both improve then the team will have bright days.

  9. colmac69 - Jun 30, 2015 at 12:10 PM

    With all arguments about how gd/bad this o-line was last yr if your winning games on a consistent basis then all this goes away……..we all love the hogs from the eighties but there was seasons they gave up over 50, 60 sacks (when it was a real sack) but nobody mentions stats like this when talking bout hogs because they were winning playoff games/superbowls etc……..last couple yrs teams like packers..patriots have had average o-lines but because these teams win on regular basis nobody questions them

    Last yr o-line was decent for first eight games….then it completely fell apart over last eight….this yr long/sherff could b future on right side…..williams nds to stay healthy…he played on one leg last season….if he healthy he one of best left tackles……but whole combination of things has to come together for line to b successful. .

    Winning is the best cure for everything at end of day and we havent came close to being winner on a constant basis

  10. RussianBreadMaker - Jun 30, 2015 at 12:30 PM

    What is the reason for this “Need to Know” thing? Getting a bit redundant dont you think?

    • ajbus1 - Jun 30, 2015 at 1:04 PM

      It’s a reoccurring blog post derp.

    • Rich Tandler - Jun 30, 2015 at 2:21 PM

      Have I written about tapping the brakes on an improved O-line previously? Don’t think so.

      • ajbus1 - Jun 30, 2015 at 8:27 PM

        It was a great subject for NTK. We homers need a realistic point of view now and again.

  11. kenlinkins - Jun 30, 2015 at 2:43 PM

    Rich: With all the changes lined up for the 2015 season, how much time do you believe it will buy for RG3 (i.e. at what pace will the Redskins require him to improve?) and IYO will RG3 receive a fairer grade under the new GM? (Part of my concern is with the 2nd year head coach who seemed give up on both RG3 and Cousins pretty quickly in 2014).

  12. wvredskins - Jun 30, 2015 at 4:18 PM

    All in all Griffin can make the line look porous or he can make them look great. Like Rich pointed out Griffin was sacked on 13 % of the time while Kirk was sacked 3 % of the time. RG has to get the ball out QUICK and Make quick reads and trust that the receiver is on the same page. You have one of the best intermediate receivers in the game in Garcon along with one of the best deep threats in the game with Desean. RG has to get the ball in Garcon hands more because Garcon is one of the best in getting open over the middle and if Griffin and anticipate to the open areas with quick accurate throws this line will look like one of the best BUT The running game has to be on point tho AND the defense has to help keep us in games. If the running game can get back into the top 10 in the league I see a great year for the offense. Alot of if’s tho. Can Griffin get the ball out with quick accurate throws? that remains to be seen CAUSE he can NOT hold onto the ball. and I believe he is working on that cause that has to be one of the most important things going into training camp. GET THE BALL OUT QUICK AND LET THE TALENTED RECEIVERS WORK THEIR MAGIC! HTTR

  13. mr.moneylover - Jun 30, 2015 at 5:48 PM

    It will help rg3 but if the tight ends or running backs dont improve on they blocking skills we will have the same results…when chris Thompson picked up the blitz and block the linebackers rg3 had time to throw the ball and thats what this team gonna need if they want this offense to put up big points…alfred Morris was dedicated on running the ball but struggle greatly on pass blocking to the point were he was benched at one point he cant be one dimension and expect to be the starter

    • bangkokben - Jun 30, 2015 at 6:14 PM

      Morris was benched for almost fumbling a number of times. (Getting tackled and having the ball bounce out after hitting the ground.) Silas Redd come in and the same thing happen and Morris is back for good. He does have to be better in pass catching and pass pro but he certainly wasn’t as bad as Helu. Should put DY back there for pass pro and catching.

  14. mrhart76 - Jun 30, 2015 at 10:41 PM

    Kirk gets the ball out faster, avoiding sacks. Good.
    Kirk throws the ball to the other team faster and in bunches. Bad. Maybe Robert sees something and doesn’t pull the trigger as fast as kirk. Put he would help himself if he would look at how mark brunel played that one year with us and simply throw the ball away and let the defense have your back instead of putting them on a a short field to defend. Archives

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