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Need to Know: Five Redskins who need to step up in 2015

Jun 27, 2015, 5:51 AM EDT


Here is what you need to know on this Saturday, June 27, 33 days before the Washington Redskins start training camp.

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Here are five players who need to have a strong 2015 season if the Redskins are going to be successful.

QB Robert Griffin III—How good Griffin needs to be next year depends on how well the rest of the team’s plan comes together. If the defense improves to the point where it is at least average and the running game is frequently used and effective, Griffin will have the luxury of being to make incremental progress. If they give up 27 points per game and average 4.2 yards per carry like they did last year, Griffin will have to be much better for the Redskins to succeed, perhaps an unrealistic expectation.

KR Jamison Crowder—Even if Griffin and the rushing attack perform well the offense will still need some help. I don’t envision much of a role for Crowder on offense but it will be a surprise if he isn’t returning both punts and kickoffs in Week 1. It’s an area where a rookie can make an instant impact. Crowder will need to get a good return to set up the Redskins offense in good field positions once every other game or so. A short field makes both a QB and rushing game that much more effective.

FS Dashon Goldson—He had two down years with the Bucs, no question about it. But why? Bad scheme fit? A player on the wrong side of 30 who is wearing down after eight years of playing a very physical position? Regardless of the reason, the Redskins need him to be better than he was in Tampa Bay. They are paying him $4 million and the options behind him are very unproven.

OLB Trent Murphy/Preston Smith—We know that Ryan Kerrigan will get it done on the left side and post a dozen sacks or so. Murphy, in his second year, and second-round pick Smith will need to team up and produce something close to that on the right. Pass defense starts with pass rush and even if the safety position is a bit shaky solid seasons from Smith and Murphy can compensate for the weakness.

OT Brandon Scherff—He doesn’t need to make the Pro Bowl or anything but he needs to be an upgrade over what the Redskins have been rolling out at right tackle for the past decade or so. Scherff won’t necessarily catch on right away and he will make some mistakes. But he will need to learn from the quickly and become an asset by the time midseason rolls around.


—It’s been 181 days since the Redskins played a game. It will be 78 days until they play the Dolphins at FedEx Field.

Days until: Redskins training camp starts 33; Preseason opener @ Browns 47; final cuts 70

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  1. colmac69 - Jun 27, 2015 at 6:41 AM

    Jordan reed would b another one….he was a disappointment last yr when he came back from injury. …he flashed his potential on 2013 so if he could get back to that level and more then great. ..question is can he stay clear of inj and so far the answer is no

    Perry riley……I thought he would b stand out last yr once Fletcher retired but instead robinson was one who impressed…..riley nds to produce or he could b pushed out lineup

    David amerson……showed flashes in 2013 and if he can bounce back from last yr poor form then we could have two starters at corner for yrs to come in himself and breeland

    Spencer long……releasing chester has opened door for long…now is time to step up and make the position his….with long and sherff we could b set at right side of line for a gd number yrs

    • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Jun 27, 2015 at 8:37 AM

      Agreed, would be greet if Spencer Long turns out to be a good guard.

    • colorofmyskinz - Jun 27, 2015 at 9:38 AM

      Completely agree with Reed and the TE position. We need Reed 16 games this year.

    • hk2000 - Jun 27, 2015 at 11:18 AM

      Not only do I agree, I think your list makes more sense than Rich’s list, with the exception of RG3- who’s play is closely tied to the OL- everyone else on his list is debatable because they’re all new additions (in one way or another).

      • bangkokben - Jun 27, 2015 at 12:05 PM

        They’re new additions…that’s precisely why they need to step up. Last year, the team got Hatcher, Roberts, a couple of linebackers on special teams, Tracy Porter as the third corner. All of them played below expectations. When your solutions to problems fail across the board you become team president and hire a GM.

    • mr.moneylover - Jun 27, 2015 at 3:17 PM

      Jordan reed is not reliable he got injured week 1 off a single man tackle and after that he didnt really play that much…they gonna run some two tight end sets but I doubt jordan reed will be one of those tight ends I see him as a backup now not a starter and I think jay gruden is coming to that point were if jordan reed cant prove to him that he can stay healthy then he wont play plus I hear they like this undrafted free agent tight end…guess we gotta see what happens in training camp

  2. colorofmyskinz - Jun 27, 2015 at 8:00 AM

    Of everyone you listed there is only one that I am concerned about with regard to performance – RGIII. That is the biggest question of those 6.

    Goldston – what were the other 10 players on tampas D like the last 2 years? Could the other 10 on that unit hold some responsibility of why Golston had poor performance the last 2 years?? Similar to our secondary. What would last years secondary look like with this years new front 3? I bet they would have looked like rock Stars. That is the complicated part about predicting someone’s performance. It is relative to how the other 10 on their unit play.

    Murphy and Preston will look like Rock stars behind our new front 3.

    Crowder will shred the return game.

    Scherff will manhand people just like he did in college. He is a beast on a mission and will easily be better than any of our right guards over the last decade on day one.

    RGIII is honestly the biggest unknown. Holding on to the ball too long has nothing to do with the front line. Especially when there were documented open receivers on tape. If he holds the ball for 3.2 seconds and the NFL Average is 2.7 seconds, that is not the Oline fault. That means that the average NFL QB demands less of their Oline than RGIII. That is purely a decision making problem that exists between RGIIIs 2 ears. So now the improved oline will give him that 2.9 seconds (vs the , the biggest question is can he reduce his decision making from 3.2 to that new 2.9. Again, has nothing to do with the line when there are 2 open recievers waving their hands at 2.0 seconds. This is our greatest concern of the 6 listed hands down.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jun 27, 2015 at 10:12 AM

      I only see the 3/4 front line being 2 out 3 three new starters. Maybe you meant this as a unit. However, do you actually think the D-line will be that much improved? I believe they will be improved and especially against the run but outside of Knighton where else do you see improvement on the line. Stephen Paea maybe a slight upgrade but I’m just curious what you see since I feel we still need many upgrades that that position.

      • colorofmyskinz - Jun 27, 2015 at 1:37 PM

        Paea is ranked 21 out of top 50 D tackles in NFL. Pot roast ranked 11/50. I call hatcher new for 2 reasons, his knee is now healthy and the other 2 on the line with him last year sucked so bad it rendered him useless. Then add Francois, who will rotate in to release them, and then you have 3 to 4 new. Basically a completely new front 3/4 IMHO.

        • berniebernard666 - Jun 28, 2015 at 10:48 AM

          rankings mean zero…nothing. Just somebody’s opinion…some expert who is just a guy being paid to write. Nobody is paying me to rank anybody but I believe that Paea, from what I have seen, is better than the 21 ranking you mention. He was stuck being double teamed last year and when he was moved around and not double teamed, he created havoc with pressure and sacks.

          I will be surprised if Paea doesn’t make the Pro Bowl this season. I believe he is will be that good as a 3/4 D.E. in an attack and penetrate system He is extremely strong and extremely quick for a 300 pounder.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jun 28, 2015 at 2:16 PM

          Bernie, rankings can have some meaning however I do feel most are overemphasized like many other statistics to prove an argument. Rankings with some sound formula can have merit, but if it comes from sites like Bleacher Report… well you’re dead on in that’s it 100% opinion. You’re also on about most experts being a guy paid to write. If you were to look at archived reports on many of these mislabeled reporters then you’ll find many are as wrong as they are right on almost any subject. With that said I hope you are eventually right about Paea. IMO he isn’t rounded enough and particularly against the run to be pro bowl material. However I think he’ll bring some much needed pressure. He also could very well help open things up for our linebackers, especially Kerrigan

    • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jun 27, 2015 at 1:37 PM

      First off Time To Throw Stat is a Flawed stat. The stat includes the time when a QB is running for his life from defenders as Time To Throw. A much better stat would be Time Till Pressure. That stat measures how long the Oline holds their block. So if the Oline holds a block for only 1 second and RG3 is scrambling for 2 seconds that is not on the QB that is on the Oline……. Maybe you should check between your ears and use some common sense.

      • colorofmyskinz - Jun 27, 2015 at 1:40 PM

        Check this between yours, half the time RGIII ran away from the intended pocket and created pressure he should have never felt had he followed the play and the footwork call out.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jun 27, 2015 at 4:32 PM

          When the Oline is pushed back into the QB right off the snap there is no pocket. The only time he scrambled out of the pocket was when there was pressure. Exactly what games and plays did he leave an actual pocket? I’m sure there is video on YouTube to show where he did this if he did. The QB can’t do anything unless the Oline Pass Blocks. The same Oline that gave up Over 100 QB Hits along with all the sacks and were Ranked 31st in Pass Blocking.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jun 27, 2015 at 4:36 PM

          There’s a reason the GM Drafted 3 Olinemen.

        • bangkokben - Jun 27, 2015 at 7:14 PM

          The two of you (color and tim) epitomize the two extremes of Redskin fans when it comes to Griffin. For one everything is Griffin’s fault including the weather; for the other Griffin has never made a mistake in his career even his fumbles are dropped passes. One thing I can agree with you about is that we all love the Redskins.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jun 27, 2015 at 11:30 PM

          bangkokben I don’t think RG3 is with out any blame. If he fumbles thats on him for not securing the ball. If he throws a pick right in the #s of the opponent ala Cousins that is also on him. If the Oline Crumbles at the snap of the ball then that is on the Oline its not him holding on to the ball. How anyone could watch how bad the Oline was and blame the QB is beyond me. They are Obviously in the class of people that blame the QB for everything because they don’t know how the game is played.

          The GM seems to also see how bad the Oline was he Drafted 3 Olinemen. One of them with the # 5 pick.

        • bangkokben - Jun 28, 2015 at 10:09 AM

          Drafting 3 o-linemen doesn’t mean that Griffin didn’t hold on to the ball too long. It could very well mean that he indeed does hold on to the ball too long and therefore the o-line needs to be upgraded to one that can sustain blocks longer. If you listened to what the coach said last year, he wasn’t pleased with the run blocking. (Perhaps another reason for drafting 3 o-lineman.) I’m not saying pass pro wasn’t an issue. It certainly was but again going back to what the coach was saying regarding pass pro, he would emphasize that it wasn’t solely on the line. There are many fans – and football ‘experts’ – who watched the same games last year and came away with the opposite conclusion that you did. Some of these people do blame everything on the quarterback but a significant portion of them are objective observers. Again it is my argument that if the quarterback improves it will be because he, himself, improves. He has to get rid of the ball on time. He has to be decisive and confident with his throws. He has to move within the pocket (yes, it did exist at times last year) with his eyes kept down field making accurate throws under pressure both from within and outside of the pocket. Upgrading the offensive line can help in his development but he and the quarterback coach are responsible for his development. To assume that Griffin has already arrived at some level of expertise and that if the other guys just do their jobs and the coach just calls the right plays Griffin will be back to 2012 form is so far from reality. Griffin doesn’t get back to that form without improving in the areas that he is weak in. He knows it but the Robert-can-do-no-wrong crowd doesn’t.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jun 28, 2015 at 1:09 PM

          I never said he wasn’t hesitant on some of his throws. Any QB in their first year in a system will be. I’m saying theOline was the major problem last year giving little to no time. You write that even the Coach says there was problems with Pass Protection. Most Coaches who implement a new system implement part of it the first year while calling plays that the QB is already familiar with. Not just call the new offensive plays and nothing else. People like you and Others blame the QB reagardless of other factors involved. I recall you even trying to use a play against the Jaguars as your “proof” that RG3 didn’t stay in the pockect when actually there was no pocket and he ran the play as designed this is why I say some fans have no clue as to what they are watching so how can they diagnose the problem.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jun 28, 2015 at 2:30 PM

          “Drafting 3 o-linemen doesn’t mean that Griffin didn’t hold on to the ball too long. It could very well mean that he indeed does hold on to the ball too long and therefore the o-line needs to be upgraded to one that can sustain blocks longer. ”

          Bang, did you really mean this? I mean do you really think coaches draft this many lineman to accommodate a quarterbacks shortcomings and not the position these picks play? What I’m getting at is with the understanding RG3 was drafted to be our franchise QB, I can understand drafting a certain type of lineman to accommodate his skill sets. However it seems to be a very costly approach to bundle linemen to address a key issue at QB that normally would define the future of one being a starter in the NFL.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jun 28, 2015 at 3:17 PM

          “To assume that Griffin has already arrived at some level of expertise and that if the other guys just do their jobs and the coach just calls the right plays Griffin will be back to 2012 form is so far from reality. Griffin doesn’t get back to that form without improving in the areas that he is weak in. He knows it but the Robert-can-do-no-wrong crowd doesn’t.”

          As a person who normally sides with RG3 and I know of many from the same ilk in “Redskin Land”; I can say with great confidence the statement above is an inaccurate account of the position all hold. Actually, I don’t know a single proponent of RG3 that thinks that he has arrived to any level of expertise where improving other positions is enough to bring him back to 2012 form. Everyone I know will agree he still has decision making issues when dropping straight back into a pocket. Where the disagreement lies is who is to blame for these development issues. Many that attack RG3 take it one step further and arrive to the same flawed conclusion: “He can’t do basic fundamental things that all NFL QBs can”. He actual does perform the fundamental plays that all QBs are expected in the NFL but he just hasn’t learned to do these at NFL speed. The game hasn’t yet slowed down enough for him. Why?

          1) How about the fact he rarely played the QB position in a pro set at Baylor. While he was a surprising efficient pocket passer in college it didn’t come from a 5-7 step drop back that the NFL plays. He came with a large learning curve that should have been anticipated from any fan that followed him at Baylor.

          2) His development was impaired significantly with the ACL/MCL injury. It’s beyond me how any fan against RG3 here doesn’t acknowledge this.

          3) The Redskin front office has much to be blamed for the development of RG3. I can’t emphasize enough the front office implosion from Shanahan’s last year along with the hiring of a rookie coach has impacted RG3’s development. So many moves prior to this year by the front office are to be blamed for RG3’s progress: From the ill-advised decision by Shanahan to not bench RG3 in the second half of the Seattle playoff game, the decision to start him week one off a major knee surgery recovery, the reactionary decision to bench him later in the season, to the overall attitude of the coaching staff. How can a franchise QB expect to develop and progress to an acceptable rate with all this turmoil that comes within this organization?

          I’ve seen the RG3 that possess an extremely accurate and strong arm. One that can mix his incredible throwing attributes with gifted speed. There is greatness at QB in this kid but it needed continued development far more so than Luck or Wilson. The learning curve was steep and the organization clearly failed to provide him a stable environment to grow and progress.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jun 28, 2015 at 5:34 PM

          I can’t believe people think that a QB coming off of an injury his first year in a system with an Oline that was ranked 31st in Pass Blocking is suppose to excel. They blame it all on the QB like its a one on one sport

        • bangkokben - Jun 28, 2015 at 8:15 PM

          Sorry fellas just stumbled back here. I’ll respond from the latest going backward but 1st let me tell you as most here know, I’m a Griffin supporter and believe he still has the most talent at the QB position on our roster. I also believe that given enough time and support he could be an Aaron Rodgers type QB. That being said I don’t subscribe to it being only the o-line’s fault or even primarily their fault (tim is the only one I know who adheres to his 31st ranked o-line stat). I also don’t believe that Gruden only called new plays or avoided to call plays Griffen is familiar with. As to 3:17PM, that is exactly how tim sees it and fan of steph as well. redskinsnameisheretostay, agreed on everything else you wrote on that post. 2:30PM: No, I believe the overall dissatisfaction in the o-linemen primarily stem from the ability to sustain blocks in the running game. The olinemen needed to be replaced because only Shanahan and the few that use his offense can be successful with that type of linemen. It goes way beyond one QB. As for tim at 1:09. He is once again wrong. He is wrong!
          1) Gruden didn’t just call something new and nothing else but if he did that would say plenty negative about our QB.
          2) No people like me don’t take one side and only defend one side even when the evidence clearly shows fault on multiple fronts.
          3) The play against the Jaguars clearly shows that Griffin DIDN’T follow the play as it was designed. Even after giving time stamps for timmy, he still can’t see the open receivers and how Griffin ran into pressure. That’s the proof. I also ‘misspoke’ in a previous post without viewing the play but Tim clings on to that as if it somehow exonerates Griffin.
          I do agree that Tim couldn’t understand an NFL play if he was allowed to participate in walk-throughs. But Tim will continue to defend Griffin’s mistakes as if he is the only one with eyes. Just mention Tampa Bay.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jun 28, 2015 at 11:31 PM

          Excuse me you are the one who said he didn’t step up into the pocket on the Jaguars play. So tell me Where is the Pocket on a Bootleg? There is none. He threw it to Jackson who was running a slant you said he was running deep. Another point in the play you were wrong.He was obviously looking to throw it deep that’s why he strung it out as long as he could but the guy was double covered so he threw it to his slant guy. as far as running into pressure he Bootlegged out to the right and the middle linebacker followed him over that is not running into pressure. That’s how I know you don’t know what you are watching. You have shown no Proof that I don’t know what I’m watching.

          I Wrote that the Oline was Ranked 31st IN PASS PROTECTION not overall try reading the Posts you fail Miserably to criticize and if you think they are replacing Olinemen for the sole purpose of a Better Rushing game you are clueless. 1,000+ yards every year is a good rushing attack. Football Outsiders has them RANKED 31st IN PASS PROTECTION. Guess you think 101 QB Hits and 59 Sacks are not signs of Bad Pass Protection

          As far as Gruden not calling Plays that benifit RG3. RG3 excelled at PlayAction but Gruden cut those type of calls by more than Half of what they where called in 2012

          And for those of you that knock RG3’s accuracy

          I only Point out whats going on an where the most of the Blame should rest. If RG3 had a decent Oline was in the same offense for a couple years injury free and he was throwing multiple picks with a bad completion percentage, and taking piles of sacks whith the Oline not Collapsing at the snap of the ball I would be all over him pointing out his mistakes. The Facts are WE HAVE A BAD OLINE, The Coach doesn’t call plays to suit his players thats QB and Oline. And The man has come off of 2 injuries in 3 years 1 that takes most players 2 years to get back to 100%. Cut the guy some slack.

        • skinsgame - Jun 29, 2015 at 1:28 AM

          Ben is far more diplomatic than the all-hail-King-Griffin crowd. I’ve said it a hundred times before; if you see flaws, serious flaws in Roberts game and if you speak of those flaws, you run the risk of being labeled at least a hater and, more recently, a racist. There is no debating with them, Ben. Not at least a civil debate. In spite of empirical data on the time given to the QB’s in Washington, they insist that it doesn’t include plays where they received pressure or were flushed, but of course it does. It’s a major aggregate in the statistic. I’m not attempting to slam anyone in particular, I’m just stating what logic and eyesight are up against in these debates. Another thing one must do when debating Griffins play is 1st qualify yourself with how much you support him and the huge potential he has. However, even that can not save you from the blind devotion and baseless accusations of being a hater. As if Redskins fans actually want the team to have to start over at the most crucial position on the field. It’s not even worth the jibber jabber anymore.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jun 29, 2015 at 8:05 AM

          The reason some of you are labled a hater is because you dismiss any solid reasoning or stats that support others argument as either straight out lies when anyone can easily look the stats up but refuse to check there validity for fear of being proven wrong. Or they are called an apologist with no solid proof or explanation as to how they are wrong. I posted 3 articles with stats supporting what Im saying where is the proof you have to offer up?

        • bangkokben - Jun 29, 2015 at 9:50 AM

          Tim you do not give SOLID reasoning. You take evidence for your side of the argument spin it so that it weighs more than it should and then you dismiss everything else. Furthermore, your whole purpose is to assign BLAME – you wrote it yourself. There is a difference in problem solving and correcting those areas than a black-and-white assign blame and remove the guilty source.

          Sure, there are Redskin fans that label everything as Griffin’s fault but you treat all Redskin fans that don’t agree with you as these fans. I’m done debating with you. I’m done because you don’t ‘listen’ and because you only ‘hear’ what you want to. You responded about Jax as if you didn’t read any of my posts. I’d like to respond to your points and I may later today but like others on this blog I find it fruitless. If your responses imply that you don’t read everything that is in response to you, then why bother.

        • bangkokben - Jun 29, 2015 at 10:06 AM

          Don’t read this if want to continue to believe what you believe:

          Qualifying QB Team Plays Pct Pressure Rank With Pass Pressure Without Pass Pressure Difference
          Yds/Play DVOA Rank Yds/Play DVOA Rank Yds/Play DVOA Rank
          8-K.Cousins WAS 216 17.6% 3 3.4 -75.2% 20 8.7 35.6% 25 -5.3 -110.9% 11
          9-N.Foles PHI 333 29.1% 29 5.3 -46.4% 6 7.4 34.8% 26 -2.2 -81.2% 6
          10-R.Griffin WAS 267 29.6% 31 1.2 -155.0% 36 7.9 33.3% 27 -6.8 -188.3% 36

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jun 29, 2015 at 11:17 AM

          RG3 should have made sure he knew some plays that he could audible into so he could use more play action or bootlegs to protect himself and slow the pass rush seeing how he was Blitzed almost half of his drop backs ( got that info from Rich afew articles back) Speaking of Rich whe people are directing a Question at him that means they are asking you.

        • bangkokben - Jun 29, 2015 at 11:25 AM

          Yeah. I’ve responded to folks who ask Rich a question on here. Some like, Kenlinkins, have no problem with it and welcome the comments. Others tweet Rich or use a different less public way of asking him questions. Happy festivus! When the airing of grievances is over let me know when the feats of strength begins.

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jun 29, 2015 at 11:10 AM

        I read every word people post You don’t otherwise you would have read that I said it was a team sport and a QB cannot perform without an Oline. I also wrote that RG3 was hesitant at times due to a new offense which is expected. Thats why a coach needs to call bootlegs, play action such plays to help the Oline and give time for routes to develop and so the QB can go through his progressions. I posted 3 pages that support what Im saying. I cant spin a stat of 31st in Pass Blocking, I can’t spin 101 hits and 59 sacks. I cant spin the Coach cutting the Play Action calls by half of what they where in 2012 when we were successful. Which RG3 still has a high Completion Percentage with those type play. These are facts. You think you are right about everything when mostly you are wrong. I.e. Jaguars play, us never Drafting 3 Olinemen, we won’t Draft Sherff a #5, your analysis of RG3 where you bring up this article which I already read and also doesn’t take into acount the percentage of times each QB was Pressured. I posted an article purly based off of the accuracy of the throws. Apples to Apples comparison The article you Posted doesnt take into consideration that RG3 was Blized more. You still don’t have a rebuttal to the being Ranked 31st in Pass Protection. Which all Im saying is it is Mostly Not All on The Oline.

        • bangkokben - Jun 29, 2015 at 11:52 AM

          The stat is pass pro! The authors explain the stat yet you assign blame solely on the o-line – until now. Pass pro involves the quarterback (easily illustrated between our 3 different QBs), the o-line, the backs, and the tight-ends. Yet you consistently toss it out as this is only an indictment on the o-line and not the rest of the components. In fact you use it to defend Griffin while he was clearly the most affected of the three quarterbacks. Spin. So what if Griffin was blitzed more? You don’t think the opponents game plan based on the quarterback? The authors even make mention of the blitz in general as it applies to all QBs. That’s apples to apples. The article is about quarterback pressure! The explanations are right there in the piece of what plays are counted and what plays aren’t counted. The same group (football outsiders) using the same methodology to both reports. Yet you – to no surprise – dismiss the one that you can’t spin and accept the other as Gospel.

          Gruden called less play action than 2012. Of course he did! The running game wasn’t nearly as successful. Down and distance also were significantly different. A play-action call on 3rd and 8 is going to be less successful than on 3rd and 2. These are clear and obvious factors yet you spin it as if Gruden had the 2012 offense and is calling it different.

          Agreed that RG3 has a high completion percentage on those type of plays but the game situations (i.e. when your down by two scores) have a HUGE factor on the type of plays you can call. Gruden called several zone-read runs after Griffin’s return yet Griffin refused to keep the ball when the situation warranted it. The coach called deep passes – that Griffin had been historically accurate on – yet he missed the open Jackson. Gruden called the game so that Robert would be successful and that the team would win yet Griffin failed. he failed against Tampa and failed against San Fran. This year is a new year and like I said before Griffin knows what he needs to work on to be successful.

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jun 29, 2015 at 11:50 AM

        Like I said you mostly have illogical comments that are mostly Opinion not based off of any stats just blindly going by whatever journalist writes taking it as gospel and proclaiming them as experts. Disagreeing with the real experts who Drafted the 3 Olinemen 1 at #5. Try learning the game and use actual stats to back up your comments.

        • bangkokben - Jun 29, 2015 at 12:10 PM

          Seriously? I’ve wasted too much time with you. You have one setting – blind regurgitation of a hand full of dubious ‘facts’ that have somehow made penetration into that hard head of yours. You may read everything but you clearly have a comprehension problem. Furthermore, you can’t stay on topic, you bring back past arguments (arguments that you clearly lost otherwise why restart them – rhetorical question; no answer needed). Keep patting yourself on the back about the one time you got something right. (I’m sure there’s a list coming where you were correct multiple times.) Don’t bother but you love to get the last word so go ahead. Have a nice life and I wish you the best in your personal relationships. I do mean that last part sincerely.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jun 29, 2015 at 1:11 PM

          Funny how Ive asked repeatedly for you to offer up stats to prove your position and to disprove mine yet you still show none. You just repeat I am wrong with nothing to show why. You say nothing dissuaded me from my position but you offer up nothing but your own opinion. You sound like a child who wants his way just because. I ASK AGAIN WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SUPPOT YOUR OPINION? A person can’t be dissuaded from there opinion just because you say so and think you know it all.

        • bangkokben - Jun 29, 2015 at 2:15 PM

          This disagreement is based on YOUR conclusions of the statistical analyses presented. We can both agree that footballoutsiders ranked the Redskins 31st in pass protection – now that you have cited where your information comes from. But I do not share your same conclusions to the data. I do not think it is all on the o-line. Until today you have not conceded that it wasn’t entirely on the o-line. You may have meant NOT ENTIRELY but you certainly haven’t been proactive in including that crucial detail. So what percentage was on the o-line? 99%, 51%, or 40%? (I’d probably put 25% on the quarterback, 35% on the backs & tight-ends, and 40% on the o-line – but the percentage at QB would vary depending on who was playing.)

          I don’t need statical data from a source to proof why I disagree with your conclusions with the data but I did provide one – one from the same group of statisticians. I provided this at 10:06AM. This is before any demands for statistics. You of course disagree with the finding there despite the authors clear explanation of what plays were used in the data. Yet, you and only tim are able to determine which articles are valid and which are bunk. Not true.

          You assume that the drafting of three o-linemen has everything to do with pass protection. I stated yesterday it has to do with the new offensive system requiring a different o-linemen. I even mentioned the decline in production in the rushing game. There have been FIVE drafted o-linemen since Shanahan was fired. Two before the 31st ranking; three after. The two new starters this year come for each batch.

          This data allows us as the fan to determine for ourselves our opinions. It does not have to based on other influences like reporters or commentators.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jun 29, 2015 at 2:54 PM

          I put at least 60% if not more on the Oline Particularly the RG and RT and some what on the LG. I would put 25 to 30% on the TE and RBs and about 10 to 15% on the QBs. I would also say the Coach bares some responsibility with the Olinesince he was calling plays that do point to their strenghts and don’t cover their major weakness Pass Blocking. I’ve stated Most of the blame falls on the Oline not alll of it surely not as little as you think. The Oline has bin a problem for years. The Coach when down could have called hurry up which RG3 also excels at but didn’t. I sawvery few zone reads, few Pistol formations, few runs before we were down, and few play action plays same with Bootlegs. It was mainly drop backs from under center. RG3 was Drafted to run the Bootleg. Something he excels at very little of what he excels at or what the Oline excels at was called. The Oline was built to zone block with bootlegs off of those run plays not just 3,5,& 7 step drops.

        • bangkokben - Jun 29, 2015 at 3:49 PM

          The coach was hired to coach the team first and make Griffin a franchise quarterback second. The coach needs to call his game as he see fit. Hopefully, this year both coach and quarterback will be more successful. The guy who drafted Griffin is gone and so is that offense. So let’s leave that in the past and move forward. Griffin needs to run this system better. There is little reason to believe that both coach and quarterback won’t improve. Both are intelligent and both are highly competitive.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jun 29, 2015 at 7:35 PM

          A Coach is supposed to maximize his players strenghts and calll plays that do that. Everything I read when he was hired said he was hired to develop RG3 first and foremost. Not calling plays to maximize your Franchise QB is stupid

        • bangkokben - Jun 30, 2015 at 11:36 AM

          “A Coach is supposed to maximize his players strengths and call plays that do that.”

          “Everything I read when he was hired said he was hired to develop RG3 first and foremost.”
          I read those things too. I no longer believe it. Gruden has a guaranteed $20M left over four seasons and the owner also paid $7M last year to Shanahan NOT to coach. Griffin pretty much has this year to show significant improvement and if he shows a little less than that he MAY have next year. It is impossible – at this point – to gauge what benchmarks the front office thinks Griffin needs to achieve in order for them to not to rescind the option or what kind of contract they will offer him less than the option if they think he is worth developing. Suffice it to say, after this year his future in Washington is cloudy and that ALL depends on this year with this coach.

          “Not calling plays to maximize your Franchise QB is stupid.”
          I agree with this in principal – although I don’t know how many people would still consider Griffin a Franchise QB. However, I don’t agree with you to the level of which you imply that Gruden didn’t TRY to do this. I know you’d have like to see more pistol and bootlegs, etc. Griffin was injured on a bootleg. Maybe there was hesitancy from both Gruden and Griffin to run more boots after the injury? IDK. I think game situations dictated much of the play calling when it comes to play action. Bottom line: the execution speaks for itself. Did Gruden not maximize Griffin’s strengths? You’ll remember against Jacksonville that he called two zone-reads, at least one boot-leg, and a deep pass (possible play-action: I don’t recall) that Jackson caught but somehow was ruled incomplete after he was down and the defender pounced on him stripping the ball – a horrible non-reversal. All that was called in less than one-quarter of football. Griffin suffers a horrible injury that most don’t recover from in season and is a different quarterback when he came back. Was it the injury? The play calling? Both? Hell if I know.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Jul 5, 2015 at 6:16 PM

          Drafting 3 Olinemen which you believed they wouldn’t do, 1 of them with the #5 overall pick wwhich you believed they wouldn’t do, picking up the option which you believed they wouldn’t do SEE A TREND HERE? Naming him the starter and with the GMs public evaluation of RG3 saying he liked him coming out of college, doing what he did his rookie year is a big accomplishment, you don’t give up on a player with that much talent all point to them still wanting to develop RG3.

          As far as the play calling the only game I saw him calling those type of plays was the 1st quarter of the Jacksonville game and RG3 was driving right down the feild. The stadium erupted with the first play call of the pistol its what fans want and know will work because it slows the pass rush. After RG3 got hurt he didn’t go back to it because the coach is full of himself and wants to do it all his way without adjusting to his players and he failed miserably. I think we will see more plays that fit RG3 this year.

  3. gonavybeatarmy - Jun 27, 2015 at 9:01 AM

    David Amerson’s development and contributions this season are very important. He seemed to show promise his rookie season but fell off a cliff last season. It’s not his fault that Shanahan traded away the farm for the right to draft Griffin in 2012. But with no first round pick again in 2014 he was a mid-second round pick and the Skins need to get something from him or it just further compounds and makes painful that dubious trade. Short of injury, second round NFL picks need to contribute, and the Skins got nothing from Jarvis Jenkins in 2011. Amerson is only 23 but needs to contribute this season.

    Other than Griffin, is there a player on this team whose stock has fallen more than Jordan Reed? People who watch film for a living- Cossell, Jaworski, etc- were ecstatic about his brilliant route running and pass catching in his rookie season. Both said he was virtually unstoppable and a DC’s worst nightmare, at a time when the rules and interpretation of the rules so favor offenses. Jordan Reed needs to finally figure out how to remain healthy and play 14 games. Niles Paul and Logan P. play hard, but they’re role players. Reed, when healthy in 2013, was stellar.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jun 27, 2015 at 10:01 AM

      I actually think the drop off of Jordan Reed is to be expected. Just like RG3, I couldn’t emphasize enough how injuries impair the performance and development of young players. Take away those injuries of the past and we could be looking at two of the top NFL performers in their respective season. With that said, both need to find ways to prepare themselves and avoid further injury in the future.

  4. redskinsnameisheretostay - Jun 27, 2015 at 9:56 AM

    On RG3, one aspect of his game I’d like to see improve are sustained drives that in above average red zone touch downs. If he achieves that then it would be hard to do so under this coaching staff without also demonstrating better performance in the pocket better. He seemed to be his own worst enemy last season in killing drives by creating his own sacks. I really believe that once he gets more comfortable in the pocket, much of the accurate passes and solid run decisions he made in 2012 will once again be revealed.

  5. hk2000 - Jun 27, 2015 at 11:27 AM

    Thanks Rich, even though I disagree that the new additions/draft picks need to step up- stepping up implies an existing level of performance, but those guys were not on the team last year!

    Also, I hate to be that guy, but this article needs a proof reader- There are so many errors, it’s distracting.

  6. bangkokben - Jun 27, 2015 at 12:21 PM

    I’m not worried about Griffin. If the team around him is better; the ‘skins are better – unless Griffin is worse. But for me, Griffin could stay the same and the ‘skins would be better as long as the running game, defense, and special teams are better. Each of these areas have been addressed, we’ll see if they bear fruit. Now if each of these areas improve and Griffin gets better than the team is not only better but also competing in December. Of course we’re still 150 days away from answers and a ton can happen between then and now.

  7. mr.moneylover - Jun 27, 2015 at 3:07 PM

    You forgot perry riley and Alfred Morris…perry riley was horrible when he had to cover tight ends and running backs a rookie couldve did a better job then him….even tho Alfred Morris had another thousand yards season his numbers been droping year by year and he picked up most of them yards in garbage time when the game was already out of control then he has a issue in pass protection and catching the ball if he can fix those things it will take alot of pressure off of Robert Griffin The III….RUNNING A WEST COAST OFFENSE WORKS HAND AND HAND IF THE RUNNING BACK STRUGGLE THEN THE QB GONNA STRUGGLE IF THE QB STRUGGLE THEN THE RUNNING BACK GONNA STRUGGLE…

    • bangkokben - Jun 27, 2015 at 3:31 PM

      Morris is fine in pass pro. Helu was horrible. The quarterback or center has to set the protection. There was a time when Morris had to bail from carrying out his play fake to the right of the QB and dive outside of the left tackle to pick up the end (the left guard and tackle both blocked down). That was messed up and resulted in a sack. Maybe that’s on the coach and the design of the play, maybe it’s on the execution but I doubt it’s the back’s responsibility to pick up the end. I will agree that Morris has to be a better threat as a pass catcher – it would help that the QB doesn’t check down to him when he’s covered – but he has to catch the other passes. As for Riley, he does have to cover the TE better but he’s not the only one that failed to cover tight ends. Larry Donnell burned three different guys on his 3 TD day. Robinson was good last year but still can improve in coverage. Clark is gone. Merriweather is gone. So Ihenacho, Johnson, Goldson, Robinson and Riley need to be better as a unit.

  8. redskinscaio - Jun 28, 2015 at 9:20 AM

    I’m a huge Redskins fan and I want the team to do well. I watch every game every year. I want RGIII to have a hall of fame career. So, it hurts to say what I’m about to say.

    Maybe I’m wrong, but look at the picture of RGIII at the top of the page for this article. In fact look at all the pictures of RGIII throwing the ball. Notice how he winds up…notice how the ball is low and near his waist? What RGIII is doing, is not the ideal mechanics of throwing a football. The ball needs to be held high and behind the ear. The ball needs to be tucked behind the ear, even during most of the wind up, and then released above the head. Now go and look at pictures of Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, they keep the ball high and tucked behind the ear…. Sigh….

    • bangkokben - Jun 28, 2015 at 10:19 AM

      RGIII is not Jason Campbell. His release is fine and quick. He’s throwing deep in the picture above and can make all the throws (varying angles). Next.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - Jun 28, 2015 at 3:26 PM

      Redskinscaio, I like your explanation but while throwing mechanics are important there is no one prescription all great QBs follow. I’ll counter and ask you to go back and watch how Joe Montana or even Steve Young threw in their day. Neither wouldn’t meet the prescribed requirement for sound throwing mechanics you described that RG3 needs.

  9. berniebernard666 - Jun 28, 2015 at 10:23 AM

    The best part of the Redskins is Scott M. He is logical like we are. Most of the ideas expressed by fans each year never come to pass because we have had IDIOTS running the show. Finally Scott M is hired and we actually use HIGH draft picks for linemen. And that is only the first draft. Here are some points I am sure he will affect either this season or by next season because CHANGE is coming one way or the other:

    1) kickoffs – I notice that Scott M brought Ty Long in to compete with Forbath. Long will win the job. If you are unaware of this guy, get aware. He is really really good and Scott M is like us….he sees short kickoffs hurts the Defense.

    2) Jordan Reed will stay healthy, get over his injuries, step up, and catch 75 balls and keep the chains moving, OR he will be gone. He simply won’t be here anymore after this season. Scott M will take care of that.

    3) Ditto for RG3. Griffin will win games and perform better, MUCH better, OR he simply won’t be here. Scott M is doing everything possible to eliminate excuses from Robert. It truly is sink or swim. Scott will take care of it.

    4) Jay Gruden needs to step up. We have better coaches thanks to Scott. Better players. Gruden needs to get out of the way and let winners win. Bad decisions by Gruden won’t be tolerated by Scott. MULTIPLE play callers and getting plays in late to Griffin is not acceptable. Gruden needs to step up because Bill Callahan is breathing hot and heavy down his neck as a Head Coaching Candidate.

    5) Ben Kotwika needs to step up. for TWO years in a row special teams players have now been a focus and good special teams players have been brought in. If Special teams suck once again, SCOTT M will not tolerate this. Big Ben the Army guy needs to step up or step out. Archives

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