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Need to Know: Gruden, Redskins may not get 4th QB for camp

May 17, 2015, 4:58 AM EDT


Here is what you need to know on this Sunday, May 17, 74 days before the Washington Redskins open training camp in Richmond, VA.

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Five notes and quotes from rookie minicamp on Saturday:

—Gruden believes that there is no pressing need to find a fourth quarterback after rookie free agent Connor Halliday decided to give up football. “Well, we brought in two quarterbacks here to look at for that fourth spot, but there’s no law that says we have to bring four,” Gruden said. “We have three guys who are going to really fight for every rep as it is, so in a way it’s not bad to have three.” Hutson Mason of Georgia and Anthony Neyer of USC are the two QBs trying out.

—What happened to Halliday, whom GM Scot McCloughan scouted pretty heavily? Gruden was light on details. “Connor, I can’t speak for the decision that he made,” he said. “He just chose to jump on a plane and head to the house. I haven’t had a chance to talk with him yet. He just left me a voice message, but I’m sure he had personal reasons behind it.”

—Gruden is very impressed after working with new offensive line coach Bill Callahan. “He’s detailed, for sure, and he’s a grinder,” he said. “That’s two things about him that are two great qualities, and our line needs it. They’re going to work their butts off, not only on the practice field, but in the classroom. And every drill, every waking moment they’re awake and they’re in this building and out on this practice field, he’s going to be in their ear, working them. And they’re going to get better as a result.” That last part is what everyone is looking for.

—Gruden likes what he has seen out of Arie Kouandjio and it looks like they plan to test him in training camp. “Kouandjio is a detailed guy,” he said. “He loves football, man. He practices hard. He wants to hear every ounce of criticism, every ounce of coaching that he can get and he tries to translate that onto the next rep . . . Come training camp time, we’re going to have [Stephen] Paea go against him one time and then here comes [Jason] Hatcher. It’s going to be some tough days for him.”

—Gruden likes the way that Blake Sims, who quarterbacked Alabama to the national championship playoff semifinals last year but is trying out as a running back, has translated his scrambling ability to the running back position. “He runs a little upright, but he’s got some natural running ability,” he said. “You saw that in college at the quarterback position. When he breaks contain, I never, ever saw the first guy tackle the guy. He always made the first guy miss and the second guy miss and he always got the four or five yards needed for the first down.”


—It’s been 140 days since the Redskins played a game. It will be 119 days until they play the Dolphins at FedEx Field.

Days until: Redskins minicamp starts 30; Redskins training camp starts 74; Thursday night Redskins @ Giants 130

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  1. troylok - May 17, 2015 at 7:01 AM

    I think it limits a team not to have a fourth QB in training camp. You want to be able to run drills with everyone. If nothing else, go talk a retired QB out of retirement just to be a camp arm, but I have to believe there is some undrafted player they could pick up. Did anyone take a shot on Chris Bonner?

    • bowlregard - May 17, 2015 at 9:00 AM

      Jay can be QB in drills if need be.

    • abanig - May 17, 2015 at 9:55 AM

      They have 3 qbs who need to throw a lot this offseason so they can evaluate all three. They don’t need just a “camp arm.”

      • troylok - May 17, 2015 at 12:03 PM

        Really? The Redskins are going to have about nine receivers, four tight ends, and five running backs in camp. Who is going to throw to them?

        • abanig - May 17, 2015 at 12:06 PM

          The 3 quarterbacks we have. Honestly, there’s not enough snaps to get a great look at all 3 of our current qbs.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - May 17, 2015 at 6:06 PM

          Troy’s right, it has nothing to do with getting a look at 4 QBs. It’s about getting enough QBs on the field to get a look at all the WRs, RBs, and TEs on the field.

    • ET - May 17, 2015 at 11:02 AM

      They’ve got three guys that need reps, plus the kid from Georgia. Blake Sims could provide “camp arm” reps if needed, but I’m sure he’d rather concentrate on RB.

      • bangkokben - May 17, 2015 at 4:29 PM

        ET, neither of the guys you mention have received contract offers – just rookie camp tryouts.

  2. kenlinkins - May 17, 2015 at 9:03 AM

    This is why I wanted the new GM to sign local kid Cole Stoudt QB Clemson as a UDFA instead of the head case Halliday. It seemed like Halliday didn’t want to sign after not getting drafted and that should have been a Big Red Flag. “Lost his love of football”? really? So for the first time in his life he was not the best in the room and now he wants to retire? Give me a break. Hint to Halliday: It only gets harder from here on out to make a living son, you better get use to it!

    • abanig - May 17, 2015 at 10:03 AM

      Cole Stoudt sucks. He’s the biggest reason why Clemson went no where the past few years despite having nearly as much talent as FSU in the ACC all over the field.

      • kenlinkins - May 17, 2015 at 1:53 PM

        Clemson was 1st or 2nd in the ACC with 10 or more wins each year he was there, that doesn’t suck! I am not saying he is NFL ready but I do feel he is a camp arm at worst.

        • abanig - May 17, 2015 at 3:44 PM

          I realize that, Clemson had top 10 talent the past few years, except for Stout at the Qb position.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - May 17, 2015 at 6:18 PM

          Problem is Clemson normally underachieves as a team. I don’t know if a single QB has anything to do with it.

        • abanig - May 17, 2015 at 11:01 PM

          It does matter who the qb is, it’s the most important position on the field.

          Use the redskins as an example, when Griffin was having one of the best rookie seasons of all time, they won the diction for the first time in 13 years – since 1999.

          The past two years after his knee injury, he’s been average at best.

    • bangkokben - May 17, 2015 at 10:43 AM

      Pretty harsh. If you’re a 7th round draft pick, you at least have a $50,000 to $75,000 signing bonus to live off while you’re trying to make the team or practice squad. If you’re an UDFA you better LOVE the game because you’re surviving day to day on little for a shot at the big time. Kudos to him if he realizes he’d rather be a teacher or something else. What the kid has to know is that he won’t getting any more shots.

      • abanig - May 17, 2015 at 12:10 PM

        That’s more than most in the nation make, it’s not that harsh…

        • bangkokben - May 17, 2015 at 4:25 PM

          What is more? If you’re an UDFA then your signing bonus – if you get one – is minimal. In 2014 a team was allowed just over $80,000 total for signing bonuses for ALL of their UDFAs combined. I’m sure that went up but not significantly. So if everyone was given an equal signing bonus then it would likely be between $6000 and $8000. Teams don’t have to make these equal and some players sign without any bonus but who knows he may have signed for a $30,000 signing bonus considering how ‘interested’ the Redskins have reportedly been with the kid. BTW, the US per capita income is more than $28K and the median household income is more than $53K. In Redskinland (Loudoun County) it is much higher ($47K and $122K) and the cost of living is higher as well.

        • abanig - May 17, 2015 at 4:48 PM

          The suburbs of DC are not a good reflection of what most people who don’t live around a big city in the nation make.

        • bangkokben - May 17, 2015 at 5:02 PM

          Of course. But it does reflect on what an UDFA who is living off signing bonus and per diem has in regards of economic ‘hardship’ while trying to making the team.

        • abanig - May 17, 2015 at 5:12 PM

          Yeah, I still don’t agree. We’re talking about 21 to 23 year old young guys with no family and they have all kinds of other financial support from the team. For all we know, their housing is afforded for them until it’s determined that they will or won’t make the team. They’re fed at least twice a day, possibly 3 times a day by the team. They probably get per diem which adds up as well and I’m sure it’s a hell of a lot more than the $40 I get for meals from my employer when I’m out of town on business. We’re also talking about a matter of 4 or 5 months where they get this money. It’s not over the course of an entire calendar year and some of them who come from middle class or working class families may still get some help from their parents. I mean we are talking about guys who are just out of college here. When I was just out of college and had no responsibilities, making 40 to 50 k a year was way more than enough $.

        • bangkokben - May 18, 2015 at 11:21 AM

          I don’t know Halliday’s situation but you’re right about making 40 or 50K but most UDFAs don’t make that. Halliday may have an offer to make that in another line of work. Below is a fantastic read about what it’s like to be a UDFA. Very long and very thorough.

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - May 17, 2015 at 12:59 PM

        Day to day on $155 a day plus room and board

        • bangkokben - May 17, 2015 at 4:00 PM

          Pretty sure that is just team sanctioned days (training camp, rookie camp, and OTAs)

      • kenlinkins - May 17, 2015 at 1:58 PM

        I agree, if his heart is not in it then get out, but he should have known that before signing a NFL contract. IMO there is more to this story and it will not reflect well on this kid ever getting another shot in the NFL. (girl friend problems, not the big man any longer, home sick for mommy, hurt feeling, etc etc etc, all the things you do not want hear about if you are a NFL Coach or GM).

        • bangkokben - May 17, 2015 at 3:56 PM

          Here, we are in agreement. He should have known. There’s more to the story, etc. But young people often don’t know what they want or don’t want until they experience it. And as an observer with zero knowledge of the reasons, I can easily see a kid from Spokane, WA who goes to college in his hometown, suffers an injury, gets back to form for the draft, doesn’t get drafted, signs some deal that gives him less than $10,000 to sign his name with a chance to make $480,000 if he makes the team. He gets off the plane in Northern Virginia and walks into Ashburn’s humid oven and asks himself, “What the ____ am I doing here?” Sucks for the ‘skins who thought they had a potential diamond in the rough and sucks for the kid if he over-reacted to a new situation because he shouldn’t be given any more chances and more than likely won’t get anymore offers.

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - May 17, 2015 at 6:20 PM

      Curious Ken, how did you know Halliday’s mindset after not getting drafted?

  3. abanig - May 17, 2015 at 9:54 AM

    Gruden is right, the skins have 3 qbs and they need them to get all the reps this summer so they can weed out who’s the best.

    • bangkokben - May 17, 2015 at 10:47 AM

      Gruden is putting a positive spin on it. I doubt Colt McCoy’s arm makes it through a whole off-season. There will be at least a camp arm for Richmond.

      • abanig - May 17, 2015 at 12:12 PM

        Everyone Po poo’s McCoy’s arm because he doesn’t have elite arm talent. His arm isn’t weak, its average. Some of the best qbs in the NFL’s history have had arm strength about the same as Colt’s.

        • bangkokben - May 17, 2015 at 4:37 PM

          I’ve got antique furniture with stronger arms. Colt has other strengths.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - May 17, 2015 at 6:20 PM

          Actually good Antique furniture normally has very string arms.

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - May 17, 2015 at 6:22 PM

        I thinks so to Bang! There is no way that can go with just 3 QBs. They’ll wear all of them down before preseason starts.

  4. Robert Brown - May 17, 2015 at 11:07 AM

    Hudson Mason would be a good fit. He needs playing time. He is a leader on the field and is a game mgr. This would be a project move that could turn into a pretty good QB.

    • abanig - May 17, 2015 at 11:05 PM

      I agree about Hunter Mason, they’ll keep him around.

  5. redskinsnameisheretostay - May 17, 2015 at 6:14 PM

    I don’t buy they’ll just work all those players with 3 QBs. They’ll get someone in soon. Where’s Rex? LOL

  6. skip36 - May 17, 2015 at 9:59 PM

    Redskins need another arm at QB What;s wrong with Mark Myers from John Caroll 6’5″ 220lbs.please Scot check him out Archives

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