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Need to Know: How many new starters on the Redskins’ offensive line?

May 10, 2015, 5:36 AM EDT

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Here is what you need to know on this Sunday, May 10, 81 days before the Washington Redskins open training camp in Richmond, VA.

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It’s Sunday so I’m going to empty out the mailbag and answer some that don’t require long answers. Let’s get started with the Quick Hits:

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Although I wouldn’t expect the Redskins to discuss their Plan B at quarterback should they not renew Griffin’s contract I have to think that it has been discussed internally. And if they decide to withdraw Griffin’s option and not negotiate another deal with him, it’s back on the QB carousel. I’d have to think that after taking a quick breather after the 2015 draft the personnel department will start work on 2016 draft–eligible quarterbacks like Cardale Jones of Ohio State and Connor Cook of Michigan State. They will look at potential free agents but that list usually resembles the proverbial waiver wire from hell. In short, if they need a quarterback they will have to keep on trying until they find one.

There’s no question about Culliver; his contract and his ability have him locked into a starting job, possibly following the opposition’s No. 1 receiver from side to side. Breeland was good enough last year to warrant having the first crack at the other starting job. DeAngelo Hall is not going to get cut but you can’t rule out him starting the season on the PUP list (yes, we’ve seen him do a backflip but backpedaling and cutting are a different deal). I have heard that Amerson realizes that he needs to take preparation more seriously so he could be the nickel corner. I’m not sure where Tracy Porter and Tevin Mitchel fit in, we’ll have to see how it plays out in the preseason.

I got a similar question from @deseanparker20, his centering on Phillip Thomas so we’ll combine them there with a quick look at the safety spot. As of right now Jeron Johnson and Dashon Goldson are the starting strong and free safeties, respectively. If Thomas is going to challenge for a spot it will be at strong. He got a few starts last year after Brandon Meriweather’s season ended early with an injury. Thomas was spotty at best and they brought in Johnson as a free agent. Certainly Thomas should have a shot at the job. Johnson signed a relatively modest deal, appropriate for a player with one career start in four years in the league. It is unclear who will back up Goldson and there doesn’t appear to be a succession plan in place for the 31-year-old whose salary balloons to $7 million next year. We will see if Goldson’s eventual replacement surfaces this year or if it will wait until 2016.

I suppose anything is possible, James, but an 80 percent turnover of the starters on the offensive line doesn’t seem very likely. Trent Williams and Shawn Lauvao are locked in on the left side. Yes, Lauvao wasn’t very good for a good chunk of last year but he did get better as the year went on and power blocking is more suited to his strengths. It’s likely that Kory Lichtensteiger is safe even though he’s not an ideal fit in the revamped scheme. On the right side, one change is certain, as Brandon Scherff will start at right tackle. Although I’m not ruling out the possibility that Chris Chester holds on to his right guard job, I think the chances are pretty good that Spencer Long can push past him on the depth chart. So, the chances are that there will be two new starters not four. As they say, James, half a loaf is better than none.

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  1. Stephfan - May 10, 2015 at 8:25 AM

    If arie is heathy I say start him over long

    • jonevans511 - May 10, 2015 at 9:52 AM

      If he’s healthy…… AND productive against NFL level talent. I like this kid and was thrilled when we took him, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Long very well may be ready this year, in which case it doesn’t matter who starts at RG as long as it’s not Chester!

  2. colorofmyskinz - May 10, 2015 at 9:27 AM

    I say replace Lauvao with Arie/Long. Then slide Moses to right guard and replace Chester. Then Schreff start at right tackle. That would make for 3 new starters. Or replace Cory at center with a true center either the one we drafted or pick one up through trade. Then slide Cory over to compete with Arie/Long/Luavao. Still slide Moses to RG. Chester gone for sure to free up cap. Every way I look at it 3 new starters on the line.

  3. bangkokben - May 10, 2015 at 10:20 AM

    Come on guys, check your expectations. Four new starters on the o-line?! Expecting any of the rookies drafted after round three to start anywhere? Let these guys learn the playbook, find a role, make the team, and grow into the position. And in some cases completely heal from injury.

    There’s such a vocal group that wants rookies/young guys to start as if that somehow means this team is going in the right direction. That’s just stupid thinking. David Amerson started last year and played significantly in his rookie year (seven total wins in two seasons) and now he looks to be number four on the depth chart. Bacarri Rambo – a late round draft pick – started his rookie year despite never showing the ability to make an open field tackle – he is no longer on the team. Maybe he would have benefited from earning his stripes in special teams. But you can’t keep a late round draft pick that won’t play special teams.

    You expect to get your eventual starters (year one or year two) out of the top three rounds. Well, that’s Scherff replacing Compton. Everyone is fine with that one. Smith replacing…Murphy? Kerrigan, if you can’t keep him?? Finding a third edge? Redskin fans don’t like these scenarios. And lastly Matt Jones replacing Alfred Morris. The horror. So realistically, within two years we will have replaced three starters – two of which fans don’t want replaced. As Rick Walker says, “You haven’t won with any of them.”

    Sure, we hope rounds four through seven will yield for us a Kam Chancellor or Richard Sherman – the majority of fans expect it. We don’t even know how much McC was even involved in those selections. Keep your fingers crossed but a roster isn’t just the starting 22 and this team as needed for a long time the Rock Cartwrights and Raven Caldwelds as much as the Russ Grimms and George Starkes.

    • Stephfan - May 10, 2015 at 10:47 AM

      First off Ben I’m not saying that our draft picks should start this year…but if they earn than by all means start them. But I never wanted Rambo and thought he was trash before we picked him up. Also you can’t say just because they start in their rookie year that certain draft picks will bust… Look at Morris, Ryan,Trent, Samuels, Jansen, and I can keep going but won’t. Either you have it as a football player or you don’t.. It’s simply as that. Those players you mentioned didn’t but you can say the others dont

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - May 10, 2015 at 11:23 AM

        The need is not if a rookie can be a starter but if the rookies can play a significant role for this season. There are too many holes on this team to expect rookies to ride the bench waiting to “earn their stripes”. That is a luxury of elite teams and not bottom dwellers. We hired this GM to bring in young better talent and with last years roster, it shouldn’t be an impossible task to find some rookies to replace so many underwhelming starters.

        • bangkokben - May 10, 2015 at 4:25 PM

          Where are the holes that you expect rookies to contribute? I’d like to be on the same page as you because free agency filled most of the holes.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - May 10, 2015 at 10:20 PM

          Positional Holes to fill ILB (i.e. The Mike Spot), OLB/DE (i.e. Edge Rushers), RT, RG, LG, PR, KR, WR Slot, 3rd Down RB, TE to compliment Reed, (Solid backups for both Safety Spots).

        • captblood3000 - May 10, 2015 at 10:30 PM

          OK, Name. Now match the Redskins rookies to these positions.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - May 10, 2015 at 10:45 PM

          The draft is intended to fill many of those spots which goes back to my point, We hired this GM to provide better young talent on a roster full of holes. I fully expect many rookies to provide significant immediate playing time THIS season. Bang expectation of eventual starters down the line for just the 1st to 3rd rounds selection is a misconception unless he thinks we have a playoff strong roster before the draft, which is pure nonsense.

        • captblood3000 - May 10, 2015 at 11:08 PM

          No, Name. If you can’t match the rookies to the holes, you have no point.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - May 10, 2015 at 11:27 PM

          The point is clearly made but you just don’t get it!

          I can play your elementary game of matching rookies to positions if you like but that in itself is well pointless since it should be obvious.

        • captblood3000 - May 11, 2015 at 8:21 AM

          No, Name, I understand your point. It’s just that you can’t start players who aren’t on your roster. Put another way, you’re several bricks short of a load.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - May 11, 2015 at 8:56 AM

          Capt, I hope you realize I don’t expect our new GM McCloughan has filled all the weak positions on this roster before his first preseason. My point is I, as a fan and NOT an insider, would expect with such a weak roster that someone of his skill sets should be able to find instant rookie performers to play key roles this season. While Bang and I don’t know maybe you think we filled major holes in FA, my position is that not near enough was filled to put a true competitive roster on the field every week.

          Again as a fan and NOT an insider, I can’t really know if the drafted rookies or maybe a few UDFA will be key players for this coming season. I can certainly surmise that Brandon Schreff will take a starting spot at RT because well that is what Rich and many others are proclaiming. However, I think Schreff would be best to fill the LG spot taking over a huge underachiever and horrible FA acquisition last season. However, what do I know since I’m just a fan, like you, NOT an insider.

          If you want me to make some speculation then I think the following rookies could be significant role players and possibly starters this season.

          1) Schreff at LG (hole filled)
          2) Preston Smith (primary DE w/ limite OLB) Probably my favorite in terms of what I see on youtube but he doesn’t appear to our answer to a edge rusher. He looks like a great fit for someone collapsing the pocket and disrupting passing downs but not a sack master.
          3) Matt Jones (splitting carries w/ AM) Matt is a better down field running if he can stay healthy and a better fit for the power blocking scheme.
          4) Jamison Crowder (Mostly PR and spotted slot WR) The kid is crafty, fast but not world class fast, and he runs great routes. Similar to Grant but I don’t think he has the same sure hands and lacks size. I saw many of his games last season but for me I’m concerned he’ll have issues getting off the line of scrimmage because he’ll get bullied by faster, stronger, more diciplined DBs in the NFL (i.e. Desmond Howard).
          5) Arie Kouandjio (Could easily be cut before the regular season) Scouts dog his lack of lower body mobility and poor knees. This to me was the worst pick by our new GM.
          6) Martrell Spaight (Special Teams) Good size and probably a decent run stopper but poor coverage history like every other ILB we have that isn’t named Keenan Robinson.
          7) Kyshoen Jarrett (Special Teams) A safety who is good in the box but sever coverage concerns like so many of our other safeties.
          8) As for the rest of those rookies, I couldn’t begin to tell you what role they could provided for the team or if they’ll be on the roster.

          Overall, I see 4 rookies that could play significant roles on the squad THIS season. However, it’s pure speculation and I have no idea what the UDFAs can bring to the table. That is what I expect from the GM to determine by selecting these players and our coaching staff to determine by developing them.

          However, that list above had nothing to do with my initial response which was debating that there is some “fixed” format for drafted players as to who starts and who will “earn his strips” by mostly riding the bench playing backup a few seasons. When you have a weak roster, a good GM/coaching staff will find rookies who will make immediate impact anywhere from 1 – 7 rounds.

          Bang wants to put in check fan expectations by what he THINKs is some prescribed draft format for every NFL roster when he needs to check his own expectations by looking at the roster we have. Too many starters should not be starters and perform below the average NFL player. Many rookies have come and gone around the NFL with more talent that can step in immediate and at least match that performance. We just need a GM who can find those rookies. Hopefully we have that GM now and hopefully Bruce Allen will keep in nose out of player selection since he is worst than Vinny Cerreto in that area.

      • bangkokben - May 10, 2015 at 4:23 PM

        This attitude by fans that “as a football player you either have it or you don’t” is absolutely BS! That’s Shanahan’s way of thinking and it resulted in a very few good players but neglects the masses selected that need development. The good organizations do more than just draft well. They develop well. Some guys need more time because of their college system, their college competition’s talent and a variety of legitimate reasons. Very few can enter the league on fire. Justin Forsett for instance was drafted in 2008.

        • Stephfan - May 10, 2015 at 4:42 PM

          Lmao Ben not really… If you train up the others and they still don’t get it that’s on them. Rambo go every chance to get trained was it the right way who knows… But he started games and looked horrible. But players show show u somthing when they are rookies

  4. murphsman - May 10, 2015 at 10:40 AM

    I thought Connor Halliday was our Plan B

  5. redskinsnameisheretostay - May 10, 2015 at 11:11 AM

    So our right side blocking could consist of a rookie and 2nd year player? On it’s face it seems quite scary for any QB. However, if both players (Long and Schreff) play to their potential it might actually be the best right side we’ve had in years.

    Are we sure that Shawn Lauvao is truly a lock? He overall underachieved his contract and there were warning signs he wasn’t very good at Ciny either.

    • Stephfan - May 10, 2015 at 11:17 AM

      Shawn played for browns

      • redskinsnameisheretostay - May 10, 2015 at 11:25 AM

        Oops! My Bad!

        • kenlinkins - May 10, 2015 at 9:05 PM

          You got the “Wasn’t very good” part correct. Browns fans were in shock when they saw the contract the Redskins signed him to. The Browns offer was about 25% of what the Redskins offered. He had the “soft” label and wouldn’t play hurt. The Browns got tried of waiting for him to heal in preseason one year and moved in the back up even after he was ready to play and he got his feelings hurt (and Browns fans joked he would be out 3 more weeks waiting for it to get better).

        • Stephfan - May 10, 2015 at 10:06 PM

          Just to be clear ken I’m not saying Shawn is a good player but where did you hear about what the browns offered him because all the reports I read said they were fine with letting him go but no word was given on the so called percentage he was supposedly offered. But if he was offered a contract you can only hold that with a grain of salt because a team will say that just to get them out the door. Case in point orakpo. They said they were talking but everyone knew the skins weren’t about to give him the pay day that the Titians gave em. Also with Shawn gone out of the browns line up how much better did they do? Because the guy that was his replacement wasn’t all that good either. For all we know Shawn could’ve asked for more money and that’s why he is gone or maybe he wanted to leave! Heck I would leave the browns too. But let’s see how Shawn does with a new Oline coach and scheme before everyone says oh he is crap blah blah, blah. Because I’ve seen many subpar players start with one team and then be great with another. It’s all in how he is used

      • sidepull - May 11, 2015 at 7:26 AM

        Browns were grateful we took him.

  6. redskinscaio - May 10, 2015 at 11:34 AM

    NTK –

    Rich, with a couple of rookies tearing their ACLs in camp already this year, (Fowler and the Bronco’s 3rd round pick) what are the implications of a team requiring their players to wear knee braces to practice? Can teams implement such a requirement? Can players decline or refuse if a team did require mandatory knee braces in practice? What if the league required them? What about the player’s union, do they have a say in that?

    I know that in college football, all offensive linemen are required to wear protective knee braces.

    HTTR

    • redskinscaio - May 10, 2015 at 11:35 AM

      Maybe their insurance carriers would give them a break in the cost if they wore knee braces in practice?

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - May 10, 2015 at 12:11 PM

      Requiring Knee braces and especially skilled positions was significantly effect player development, conditioning, and timing. It may also lead to other injuries during games when the braces are not worn. With such a rule you might as well also require the braces during games. Of course such a rule could destroy the game completely.

      • redskinscaio - May 10, 2015 at 6:51 PM

        I don’t see how it would ruin the game…nor how it would affect their conditioning.

        But don’t be surprised if they implement the knee brace rule in the future. Knee injuries, ACL, MCL, etc, are the number one injuries that football players suffer. It wasn’t too long ago that they implemented helmets!

        • bangkokben - May 10, 2015 at 8:00 PM

          Go to the park and play soccer with a knee brace on. Now go and run a 400m hurdles with a knee brace. There’s no reason to assume that had Fowler worn a brace that he wouldn’t have had the injury. There’s been a ton of studies on the subject – especially regarding female soccer players. In their cases seldom contact is an issue. Often it has something to do with muscle imbalance between the hams and quads. I must admit I know virtually nothing on the subject but you go right ahead and offer solutions. You’re probably in the medical community but you sound as if you slept in a Holiday Express.

        • redskinscaio - May 11, 2015 at 7:29 PM

          Well, I’m pretty sure most will agree that playing soccer in the park is a tad bit different than playing professional football in the NFL with 300 pound monsters that can run a 40 in under 5 seconds. Be right back….

          OK I just went to play soccer in the park with a knee brace and I didn’t tear my ACL. I think I’m on to something here.

        • bangkokben - May 12, 2015 at 3:03 PM

          What you’re suggesting is the equivalent of having all dogs wear cones around their necks. Well, it prevents injury…
          It’s the same kind of prevention!
          What you’re suggesting as a solution is not only not a solution. it is a solution for a ‘problem’ that only you see as a problem. Didn’t Griffin injure his knee with no contact with a brace on it?! Yes. Linemen wear big bulky braces to give them extra support in the trenches. If you think you actually solve problems, offer your expertise in the middle east but just stop with these stupidiculos suggestions.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - May 10, 2015 at 10:35 PM

          I don’t think you ever played a sport with a brace if you have such a favorable attitude towards those devices. As Bang indicated braces don’t even assure a player won’t tear the ACL. Braces force you to move in awkward motions that are not natural to a player. For Example: to ask a Receiver to run with those things all week and then go run without it full speed on game day would severely impact timing with the quarterbacks. Players also are not going to be as nimble during games due to the restrictiveness wearing braces put on the legs all week which could lead to more injuries.

          Braces are designed to protect an existing injury and do not protect healthy knees. It’s just not a good idea what you are suggesting.

        • redskinscaio - May 11, 2015 at 7:26 PM

          Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But to play the devil’s advocate…college football is a billion dollar industry and their players do it. (Well their offensive linemen) College football television ratings have been even higher since the addition of the knee braces. (Obviously the two are not connected, but that’s still a fact, lol) Let’s see what else. It’s about safety. It’s obvious you don’t know any ex-football players who are in wheel chairs because their knees are shot. When helmets were introduced, many players complained too, how it slowed them down, threw their timing off, led to more injuries etc… I don’t know, I’m just saying, it’s not a bad idea. And another argument that can be made is, if it does slow players down, the violent collisions at full speed would be diminished and injuries would be down.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - May 12, 2015 at 12:18 AM

          Calo, You are seriously lacking in fact when you think an OL wearing a brace is the same as a RB or WR wearing one. Also, just because some bureaucratic committee in a billion dollar institution thinks it is a good idea for healthy players to wear a brace doesn’t make it effective or fact. It just makes some institutional regulation that has ZERO basis on if it actually keeps a player form injury.

          How about this for some fact?

          http://blog.muellersportsmed.com/sports-medicine-blog/do-knee-braces-prevent-knee-injuries

  7. mr.moneylover - May 10, 2015 at 12:16 PM

    3 new faces on the offensive line…I got deangleo hall starting next to chris culliver and breeland and david amerson and tevin mitchel bein the backup…saftey postion should be dashon goldson and jeron johnson and duke nacho bein the backup…im tellin you new faces everywhere this year

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - May 10, 2015 at 1:07 PM

      I agree there will be many new faces starting both sides the ball. However one old face I bet will not be starting and that face belongs to Hall. As long as Breeland continues to work hard and study hard his fresher legs and longer body would beat out Hall.

  8. timwillhidetimwillhide - May 10, 2015 at 12:26 PM

    I can see us signing 1 or 2 veteran Free Agent Olinemen before preseason

    • captblood3000 - May 10, 2015 at 1:43 PM

      Sure, Timmy. Any predictions? I thought only bums were still unsigned.

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - May 10, 2015 at 3:25 PM

        Teams will be releasing players that have large cap hits and were replaced by Draft picks.

        • bangkokben - May 10, 2015 at 4:27 PM

          So how many o-linemen will the ‘skins carry this year on the 53?

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - May 10, 2015 at 6:04 PM

          The normal amount. You do realize that they can have 90 players in for camp before they start cutting down.? What do you think there won’t be anymore move? Because that would be dumb. Just like you constantly calling people stupid then being proven wrong. Why would they not try to constantly upgrade? With all your self perceived answer that.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - May 10, 2015 at 7:22 PM

          The normal amount. You do realize that they can have 90 players in for camp before they start cutting down.? What do you think there won’t be anymore move? Because that would be dumb. Just like you constantly calling people stupid then being proven wrong. Why would they not try to constantly upgrade? With all your self perceived intellegence answer that.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - May 10, 2015 at 7:23 PM

          little hard to comment with my lttle boy wanting to check things out lol

        • bangkokben - May 10, 2015 at 10:19 PM

          Tim,

          Below is the current crop of o-linemen on the roster. As you know the team can keep 90 until the first set of cuts. Typically, nine make the final 53. Of the 14 currently on the team, the Redskins have drafted seven – five in the last two drafts. As for veteran cap casualties, why sign them? Why would the team do that? Assuming that there really is veteran talent out there that teams haven’t been paying roster or workout bonuses to, but just now are getting cut for money; those guys would sign for some sort of guaranteed money – in the form of a signing bonus. Who then is getting pushed off the roster? I will agree that there is likely more signings and cuts. But more than likely, it will happen in the back of the 14 similar to Xavier Nixon getting cut for UDFA from Duke.

          # Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Age Exp. College Cap
          66 Chester, Chris G 6’3″ 303 32 9 Oklahoma $4,800,000
          69 Cofield, Takoby OL 6’4″ 310 23 R Duke $435,000
          68 Compton, Tom T 6’5″ 308 26 2 South Dakota$660,000
          60 Cook, Brey OL 6’5″ 303 22 R Arkansas $435,000
          63 Larsen, Tyler OL 6’4″ 315 23 1 Utah State $435,000
          77 Lauvao, Shawn G 6’3″ 315 27 5 Arizona State $4,000,000
          67 LeRibeus, Josh G 6’3″ 315 25 3 SMU $864,081
          78 Lichtensteiger, K. C 6’2″ 296 30 6 Bowling Green State $4,300,000
          61 Long, Spencer G 6’5″ 311 24 R Nebraska $673,450
          76 Moses, Morgan T 6’6″ 318 24 R Virginia $729,394
          71 Williams, Trent T 6’5″ 337 26 5 Oklahoma $13,730,393
          74 Kouandjio, Arie G 6’5″ 315 23 R Alabama $565,418
          62 Reiter, Austin C 6’3″ 296 23 R South Florida$453,731
          75 Scherff, Brandon OL 6’5″ 319 23 R Iowa $3,857,389

          FYI. Keim, has the starting five the same as Rich’s with the exception of Chester getting moved to center: Williams, Lauvao, Chester, Long, Scherff.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - May 11, 2015 at 12:00 AM

          like I said why wouldn’t we try to upgrade? I Believe Chester at some point will get cut in favor for a Veteran. As far Vets getting cut ” Cap Casualties ” The Cap # won’t be the same as when they where Cut and they will be older players that other teams will sign to short term deals. Happens every year and Of course they will drop the player they see as the worse player on the team to upgrade to that better player. Teams are constantly looking to upgrade positions and Cook, Larsen, LeRibeus, can Easily be replaced by someone they feel is better. it’s about getting the Best 53 in the end and do you really think they won’t upgrade if they can?

          We all know due to play, Draft , and Money who will definitely be on the Team and possibly starting. Williams, Lauvao, Scherff, Long, Moses, and Kouandjio. The Others could possibly be replaced without losing anything.

          I think it will be in no particular order Williams LT, Scherff RT/G, Lauvao LG, Free Agent G/C/RT if a Center is signed it will be Long at the other Guard spot and if it is a Guard or Right Tackle signed that will determine Scherff’s spot and Center will be up for grabs. Thats how I see it going down. The free agent could also be signed after the first few cuts of preseason.

        • bangkokben - May 11, 2015 at 7:37 AM

          Yeah. I don’t see it. You think they used the resources they did on the positions they did but really are waiting for a better Jake Long. Nope. They’re set.

        • captblood3000 - May 11, 2015 at 8:32 AM

          Timmy, Chris Chester would be an in-house example of a cap casualty. I can see signing a left guard but that’s it. Otherwise, they’re set.

    • abanig - May 10, 2015 at 1:49 PM

      No a chance. The OL is set

  9. abanig - May 10, 2015 at 1:48 PM

    I think it will be 2 new starters. Spencer Long will start over Chris Chester and others at RG.

    Scherff will start at RT instead of Compton or Moses.

  10. mrhart76 - May 10, 2015 at 2:31 PM

    If Long can’t beat out Chester he needs to be cut. Along with McRib. How can a starting guard get mauled all year and keep his job?? Your backups have to REALLY suck. Cmon dude. Ur Big Young AND Strong. Go win the job!

    • redskinsnameisheretostay - May 10, 2015 at 2:47 PM

      “If Long can’t beat out Chester he needs to be cut.”

      He needs to be cut because we have what to replace him as a backup?

      The way I see is let Long start in games and see if he seeks or swims. And that is regardless if he performs better in practice.

      • bangkokben - May 10, 2015 at 4:30 PM

        Both of these suggestions are stupidiculos.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - May 10, 2015 at 10:52 PM

          No it’s not! You’re idea of 1st to 3rd round selections only being starters and the latter playing backup better fits that definition.

          Long is a early round selection and as you suggest should be a starter this season. He must demonstrate his value for that selection. This is no different that what MANY teams do with low 1st round picks in the 1st season; start the player and see how he fairs with live competition even if he is not winning the battle in practice. It may actually accelerate his development.

        • bangkokben - May 11, 2015 at 7:32 AM

          Long is not a 1st round pick. Many teams do not do this with 3rd round picks. It would be to the detriment of the team if they did this. They did this with Rambo at safety and that crushed the team. At least in that case they didn’t give themselves other options. In this scenario there are multiple options.

        • redskinsnameisheretostay - May 11, 2015 at 9:09 AM

          Long had at least 2nd round talent and if you look back at last year’s draft then you’d know only his injury pushed him back. I actually think Long was a great draft selection and I completely agree with Capt’s comment below about why we were able to select him in the 3rd. Bang, I’m not sure you ever played football but I’ve seen many players in my experience do better in game situations than in practice. So I make the bold choice of plugging in Long regardless if Chester is beating him in practice for two very simple reasons:
          1) Chester looks to be to be continuously overpowered and blocking on his heals. Long is bigger, younger, and more powerful. He most likely won’t be any worse in game situations than Chester.
          2) Long has the talent of a low 2nd round pick and needs to be pushed if he isn’t cutting it in practice.

          It’s not a recipe I’d suggest for every rookie and year two players. It’s ones I’d suggest with young players like Long who have a high ceiling.

        • bangkokben - May 11, 2015 at 4:46 PM

          Yes. I played football and as the only white wr on the team, I killed it at practice but alas only got in on running plays. I don’t doubt Long’s ability and I hope he gets plenty of reps with the 1st team. If he earns it – great. It’s not like it’s just him and Chester. There’s [Kwan-Jo] and even Moses. Let Callahan kick the tires on all of them and give it to the best guy.

    • captblood3000 - May 10, 2015 at 10:56 PM

      Hartless, Long had ACL surgery in October 2013. The Redskins selected Long in the 2014 draft knowing that Long would be, in effect, a medical redshirt in 2014. Long wasn’t ready to start until the end of the 2014 season. BTW, Long would not have been available in the third round except for that ACL injury. Cut him, and you’ll be treated again to the spectacle of an ex-Redskin lineman playing in meaningful games in December and January while your team is out of it.

      LeRibeus apparently cannot play on the right side, so he is Lauvao’s backup, not Chester’s.

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - May 11, 2015 at 12:03 AM

        wonder why people expect RG3 to come back from an ACL injury right away but this guy gets a year pass????

        • Stephfan - May 11, 2015 at 12:08 AM

          Tim rg3 plays a different position than long and long had his chance at the end of the year when he was supposed to be heathy. Second rg3 did have an ACl injury before in college. I believe he came back the next year strong and the following won the best award you can win as a collage player. But what did long get? And long was a ok player in college. Not great or oh my god we must draft him??

        • captblood3000 - May 11, 2015 at 8:38 AM

          Timmy, 12 months is the normal recovery time for ACL surgery. Griffin pushed the envelope in 2013 and wasn’t fit enough to play then. The Redskins also hoped in 2014 that Chester would return to form. He didn’t.

  11. jgd2016 - May 10, 2015 at 4:17 PM

    So now we’re saying Lauvao is a better fit for power blocking? I remember last year, the reason the redskins have for giving him a big deal when he sucked in Cleveland, was that he would be better in their zone blocking scheme. Lauvao stinks, plain and simple. I hope he’s gone ASAP

    • redskinscaio - May 10, 2015 at 6:47 PM

      Dude, Lauvao was the best backup on the Browns for years! ( I write sarcastically scratching my head and wondering why the Skins signed him for a long contract for starter money)

      • Stephfan - May 10, 2015 at 7:04 PM

        Skins paid him starter money because he was their starter. Not a very good I’ve but he was the browns starter.

      • Stephfan - May 10, 2015 at 7:05 PM

        So please before you start blasting off information be correct lol

        • redskinscaio - May 11, 2015 at 7:34 PM

          Nice, thanks for enlightening me on the subject. I read an article where the writer wrote he was their backup. But I just looked it up. He started 44 games for the Browns. Well my face is red.

        • redskinscaio - May 11, 2015 at 7:43 PM

          http://www.draftbrowns.com/2013/06/browns-film-room-shawn-lauvao/

          Here is a link showing a very detailed page of information about Lauvao when he was a Brown. 2011 he gave up the most sacks as an offensive guard. In 2012 he surrendered the second most qb hits among guards. Still not very good. THe link also breaks down a bunch of plays where Lauvao is circled .

        • Stephfan - May 11, 2015 at 8:12 PM

          Your point lol I never said Shawn was good nor great. I just said he was the starter that’s all

      • sidepull - May 11, 2015 at 7:39 AM

        Browns were doing high fives and cartwheels when we took hm. When we picked him up Bruce Allen was dong the same thing.

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