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Need to Know: Who will be the Redskins’ top pick on Thursday?

Apr 29, 2015, 5:14 AM EDT


Here is what you need to know on this Wednesday, April 29, one day before the Washington Redskins go on the clock at the NFL draft.

Setting the odds on the top pick

Yesterday, my man Ben Standig put up a post on with his idea of who the top 10 possibilities for the Redskins’ top pick are. Let’s take his top five possibilities, get out an imaginary $100 in casino chips, and lay them down according to the chance I think each one of them has of being the Redskins’ top pick. Please note that the possibilities include players who would be taken only if the Redskins trade down from their top pick at No. 5.

—OLB Dante Fowler, $35—I’d put even more chips down on Fowler if I was sure he is going to be on the board. The talk of the Jaguars taking him with the third pick makes sense and it seems to be more than a smokescreen. If he’s there I think it will take a trade offer that Scot McCloughan can’t refuse to keep him from turning in the card with Fowler’s name on it.

—OL Brandon Scherff, $25—I don’t think the tough, nasty Scherff is a possibility with the fifth pick but he is a trade-down possibility if the Redskins don’t go too far back. A trade with, say, the Falcons, who pick eighth, could end up with the Redskins landing the Iowa product. If he was a sure-fire tackle, even a right tackle, I might have some more chips on him.

—DL Leonard Williams, $15—My big question about the Redskins taking Williams used to be centered on his availability. But on Monday it sure sounded to me like Scot McCloughan was practically begging teams to call him if Williams is still on the board when Washington picks. One way or the other the chances of Williams ending up in burgundy and gold look pretty slim.

—OT Ereck Flowers $15—McCloughan used the word “big” about a dozen times while describing the type of players he likes so if they trade back to the middle of the first round they could take one of the biggest players available. Flowers needs a lot of polish to his technique but he could step in at right tackle right away and if they have trouble getting Trent Williams re-signed he could eventually take the left tackle spot.

—OLB Vic Beasley, $10—His Redskins stock dropped some on Monday. In order to be a top prospect as a pass rusher, “You need to have speed and you need to have quickness but you also need to have power,” said McCloughan. “If you get all three, now you’re talking about a really good prospect.” Beasley lacks the power. There likely is some interest in Beasley but probably not at No. 5.


—It’s been 122 days since the Redskins played a game. It will be 137 days until they play another one.

Days until: 2015 NFL Draft 1; Redskins minicamp starts 48; Redskins training camp starts 92; Redskins @ Giants 148

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  1. abanig - Apr 29, 2015 at 5:26 AM

    I’m thinking it’s going to be Leonard Williams. I really believe the top 4 teams are going to go offense.

    1. Winston
    2. Mariota
    3. Cooper
    4. White
    5. Winston

    I think the top two teams need and and the gags/raiders need a top we for their 2nd year qb

    • obxskins - Apr 29, 2015 at 11:39 AM

      If Al Davis was alive I would not even think about Raiders taking Williams because we know Al Davis loved the flashy perfect pick would be Williams at 5.

  2. Stephfan - Apr 29, 2015 at 5:52 AM

    I want Shelton if we trade back or get Williams at 5. The only way is get one of those ol is unless I trade back with browns and get both their first round picks.

    • austrianhttrfan - Apr 29, 2015 at 5:56 AM

      I don´t see us taking Shelton…when we draft back to NOT take Wiliams…why should we take Shelton then…

      • Stephfan - Apr 29, 2015 at 6:15 AM

        If you take Shelton or Williams, the defensive line is set for the next four years so I don’t see anything wrong with that. As far as Oline goes I would get any of them with a top ten pick. But I wouldn’t mind a wideout at 5, then if Jackson or garçon is gone, one of them should be a starter.

        • sidepull - Apr 29, 2015 at 6:33 AM

          Danny Shelton. Come on and draft Danny Shelton.

      • captblood3000 - Apr 29, 2015 at 7:40 AM

        Shelton was what, the second slowest player at the Combine? That may explain his absence from Rich’s list.

        • bowlregard - Apr 29, 2015 at 8:24 AM

          How would Shelton compare to Wilfork?

        • Ken - Apr 29, 2015 at 9:59 AM

          Plus we have Pot Roast

    • jayovalentine - Apr 29, 2015 at 2:18 PM

      I’m with you 100% in this one !

  3. austrianhttrfan - Apr 29, 2015 at 5:58 AM

    I agree with you Rich…Fowler should be the pick when available…Williams if none of the trade offers offers enough value…
    If trade back I think O-Line is a good chance as it seems that we are going to adress that according to Scott…so hopefully Scherf or Flowers…I´m excited…

  4. cowboyhater - Apr 29, 2015 at 7:55 AM

    Go with Scherff whether we trade back or not. A can’t miss G/T in this draft is where this team needs to lean toward. Too many pass rushers in this draft that can be taken in the second round, but after Scherff the other available OL are all questionable. Also, who says Scherff isn’t a top 5 pick? If he is the top OL in this draft, then he should be in that discussion of being one of the top prospects in this draft.

    • bangkokben - Apr 29, 2015 at 9:34 AM

      if he was a pro LT he’d be in the discussion. But he is not projected to be a LT and possibly not even a RT but a guard. So who says Scherff isn’t a top 5 pick? Every pundit and history. Funny, how guys like you take the positives about Scherff as Gospel. Yet these positives are originating by the same pundits that don’t have Brandon going in the top five. Sure, the pundits get it wrong all the time but which is wrong that he will be an all-pro guard or that he isn’t worth a top five pick?

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Apr 29, 2015 at 9:57 AM

        Get on and check the Draft History. There are Plenty of Gaurds and Centers taken in the top 5 over the years. The reason everyone always said not to was because of the amount of money they would have to pay thathigh of a pick. With the ROOKIE PAY SCALE that no longer applies.

        • bangkokben - Apr 29, 2015 at 10:00 AM

          Since the rookie pay scale has been implemented how many interior linemen have been drafted in the top five? When was the last interior linemen drafted in the top five?

        • bangkokben - Apr 29, 2015 at 10:20 AM

          Where are all these interior linemen you speak of? Have you looked yourself? Leonard Davis was drafted #2 in 2001 by the Cardinals and listed as a guard…but wasn’t he originally drafted as left tackle and couldn’t make it at left tackle? I don’t recall. His wiki page says he played his first three years at guard then was moved to left tackle then was moved back to guard – even made all-pro one year for the Cowboys. Made tons of coin in his career so you’d have to say that he was a success but how did this all-pro guard change the fortunes of his team? I see in his 12th and final year in the league he was on the 49ers team that was in the Super Bowl. That was his fourth team by the way.

          Hey, I’ll do this for every guard taken in the top five. Super small sample size.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Apr 29, 2015 at 10:45 AM

          Rookie Pay Scale has only bin in effect for 3 years. All arguments in the past have always bin you dont pay a player that kind of money unless it was a position like LT QB Pass Rusher Ect….. That argument no longer applies so what is the reason now for not taking a starting Guard?

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Apr 29, 2015 at 10:51 AM

          Ive already looked up the Drafts going the whole way back to the 1960s till now to prove Joey lips wrong on the same subject when I get time probably this weekend Ill do the same for you. BTW Davis’s position was Gaurd in the NFL regardless what they wanted him to be and he played for years at an elite level doing it. Thats worth a #5 pick to have a starter like that at a position you dont need to worry about. Also Walter Jones was taken at #6 I believe.

        • bangkokben - Apr 29, 2015 at 10:53 AM

          So where are all the guards then? That is your justification not reality. GMs will pay starting guards what starting guards are worth which if you look at the salaries are considerable. Guards aren’t drafted that high because of their impact on the game isn’t as game changing as the other positions you mention.

          According to Pro-Football Reference there has been ZERO guards drafted in the top five going back to 1994. In 2013, Jonathan Cooper was drafted with the seventh pick by Arizona and Chance Wormack was drafted #10 by Tennessee. They are the highest picks for guards since Chris Naeole was drafted #10 in 1997 by New Orleans. In should also be noted that three tackles were taken in the top five in 2013 and a total of nine o-linemen in the first round.

        • cmehustle - Apr 29, 2015 at 11:01 AM

          timwillhidetimwillhide – Apr 29, 2015 at 9:57 AM
          Get on and check the Draft History. There are Plenty of Gaurds and Centers taken in the top 5 over the years. The reason everyone always said not to was because of the amount of money they would have to pay thathigh of a pick. With the ROOKIE PAY SCALE that no longer applies.

          If by plenty of guards and centers you mean like less than 5 in the past 20 plus years? Dude, I could go down the list of every starting guard and center in the league and totally disprove that statement. I would go into this further but Im pretty certain you made that statement up totally and never even bothered to look it up before posting. I wish people would do research before posting on here.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Apr 29, 2015 at 11:02 AM

          Ken Huff, John Hicks,John Hannah, Chris Hinton to name a few, there are a pile of the right around 5 and in the top 10. I think Licoln Kennedy, Bruce Matthews, and Like I said Walter Jones would be worth a top 5 don’t you? Why not the top guy by far in the Draft who could start immediately and hold that spot for 10 years. Especially someone everyone considers a Pro Bowl caliper Guard.

        • bangkokben - Apr 29, 2015 at 11:11 AM

          Walter Jones was a tackle. You’re the one mentioning rookie pay scale as a change. The guys you mention other than Jones are totally different eras of football. They played when everything (rules, offense, defense, etc) was different. Jonathan Ogden was a left tackle even though has him being drafted as a guard. He played tackle at UCLA and through his hall of fame career as a Raven as a left tackle.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Apr 29, 2015 at 11:13 AM

          cmehustle….. I did look it up I stated I went back the whole way into the 60s it was actually done more in the pastbefore all the pay started climbing out of control which is one of the reasons for the rookie pay scale. Are you telling me a person stopping the rush up the middle or opening wholes for the running back is not important? I would point to the Swinging Door that is Chester to dispute that.

        • cmehustle - Apr 29, 2015 at 11:18 AM

          Are you saying lineman overall? If your talking about tackles, which some of those guys your reffering to are, then ok, I will take a tackle in the top five. But thats a different argument. You said guard, I thought. Show me a which starting guard in the league was drafted in the top five. Backup, pro bowl, free agent, I dont care. Just tell me where they were picked. Dont go making up stuff, lol there are scouts who actually put the time in, GMs who do this stuff for a living. Dont just minimize what theyre saying without really doing some research. Because ultimately your saying that youre smarter about this stuff then they are. So really take some time and explain why youre right and everyone else is wrong.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Apr 29, 2015 at 11:20 AM

          BTW if you look at the players I would like us take I don’t have us taking a Olinemen till the 3rd round. Im just saying it wouldn’t be a bad thing to take a Pro Bowl Caliper Gaurd that can hold down that Position for a decade at that spot. Especially with how bad our Oline is.

        • bangkokben - Apr 29, 2015 at 11:20 AM

          Bottom line: The redskins can draft steak and you want hamburger. You want hamburger so bad that you’d be willing to pay the price of steak just to get that hamburger. You want hamburger so bad that you’ve convinced yourself that it is better than steak. Additionally, you’d be paying the most ever for that hamburger and if not ever the most since anyone can remember. So be intellectually honest. You want Scherf no matter what. You think he’s the Andrew Luck of offensive guards. Fine. But stop making sh!t up!

        • cmehustle - Apr 29, 2015 at 11:31 AM

          Lol!! The Andrew Luck of guards?? Lol if he is that then hell yea lets get him at five! Seriously though, there are no garuntees with any of these picks. If anybody here is a guarunteed pro bowl player, I dont care what position, lets pick em.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Apr 29, 2015 at 11:45 AM

          I’m not making anything up I got on and looked it up and that is what they where listed as. Also paying a sure thing at Guard what the top #5 pick Pay is with the rookie pay scale is not allot compared to what you would pay in Free Agency. What did the 49ers Gaurd Get. Sheriff is listed in everyones top 10 players in the whole Draft. He is considered one of the few Blue Chip players in this Draft. Allot of people think there are only 10 or 15 players that are actually worth a 1st round pick.Hardly Hamburger. Every Draft class is different. This one is full of mid round guys that are gonna go higher because of the Draft pool..’. Also Vinny Cerroto got paid for a decade to do this are you 2 saying he knew what he was doing?.

        • captblood3000 - Apr 29, 2015 at 1:33 PM

          What do you call an athletically challenged tackle? A guard. Or, if you prefer, a gaurd. A pro caliper gaurd, just to hammer your argument home in proper style.

          Tim, you cannot count any player drafted before November 18, 1985 in your argument. That day (the end of Joe Theismann’s career) proved that left tackle was the paramount offensive position. A stud left tackle can be worth the overall #5 pick because he can prolong his quarterback’s career. Other line positions are less critical. You mentioned Vinny Cerrato? Vinny knew this.

          And show us who these guards are, who picked them, the year they were picked, and what they were picked as. I’m confident that half of them will be left tackles who busted, and the rest will have been picked after #5. Stand and deliver. Don’t send people to do your homework.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Apr 30, 2015 at 12:27 AM

          So Air Coryell didn’t get its name from passing? The Olinemen’s job has stayed mostly the same they have to run block and pass block. If you have a Chester in the middle you’re done. Im sure a bunch of skins fans wouldn’t mind getting someone to take Chester’s place. Every Draft is Different if any play that can play at an elite level in a position of need you take him it would be stupid to leave a big gaping hole at your biggest need when someone is there that could fill it day one for a decade. Just because it is a 4 spot reach you got to be kidding me.

        • captblood3000 - Apr 30, 2015 at 10:04 AM

          You have nothing, Tim. Nothing.

      • cowboyhater - Apr 29, 2015 at 1:28 PM

        You’re funny… draft pick is a sure fire guarantee, so you and your pundits have an opinion on players in this draft, just as I have one. I never claim to be a prospect evaluator, but I can express my opinion as to what would make the most sense for this team…….next.

        • skinsgame - Apr 29, 2015 at 7:15 PM

          I’m with Cowboy hater. I’d love to see them be able to trade back a few spots and add a pick plus Scherff. Years ago, Larry Allen was a mid 2nd round pick and the 11th offensive lineman taken overall. He is a Hall of Famer now and was easily worthy of a top 5 pick. Hindsight is 20-20. Just take the BPA. If it’s the Guard, so be it.

    • bowlregard - Apr 29, 2015 at 10:01 AM

      I like Scherff, too. And when Jon Gruden says his name it sounds like Sheriff.

      But if he’s not a top five pick it’s because the guard position is valued less than other positions. But I like to have strong guard play. I hate it when DLmen can bull rush our QB with pressure up the middle. If a QB is gong to step up in the pocket that can’t happen. But then also, to have a guard who can move people out does wonders for the run game.

    • bangkokben - Apr 29, 2015 at 10:56 AM

      Sure ask Arizona if that pick was worth it. You’re being revisionist. That’s like saying the Redskins did great giving Orakpo the franchise tag IF he gets 20 sacks this year with TENESSEE.

  5. timwillhidetimwillhide - Apr 29, 2015 at 8:19 AM

    I would like to see our Draft go like this

    1. Vic Beasley OLB.
    2. Phillip Dorsett WR.
    3. John Miller OG.
    4. Jamon Brown OT. ( I would play him at Gaurd )
    5. Tony Lippett WR/CB ( I would play him at Safety )
    6. Shaq Mason G ( I would play him at Center )
    7. Bryan Bennett QB

    I would bring in Jake Long on a short term deal to play RT. Drafting these guys and signing Jake Long to go with Williams,Stephen Long, and Moses I think we would have a pretty good Oline with Great Depth. I also wouldn’t have a problem if they Drafted Sheriff at 5 since he would be a day 1 starter with Pro Bowl potential

    • bowlregard - Apr 29, 2015 at 8:25 AM

      Unlikely Dorsett is there at two.

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Apr 29, 2015 at 9:22 AM

        There are about 6 or 7 WRs that are ranked higher than him I see 5 WRs at most going in the 1st round.

        • bowlregard - Apr 29, 2015 at 10:02 AM

          And that many might go in the first round. And Dorsett seems to be climbing the board.

    • cmehustle - Apr 29, 2015 at 11:04 AM

      I like that John Miller pick. Would love it if Dorsett was their at two as I think he would immediately help out on kick/punt return but I dont think he’ll be there. Hopefully Im wrong but right now he seems like a first rounder. Depends on how soon the first two recievers come off the board.

  6. cmehustle - Apr 29, 2015 at 8:42 AM

    I think Jax will take Fowler for sure. Someone will fall to us at 5, whether it be Mariota, Williams, or one of the recievers. 5 is a prime trade position, and I love the idea of trading back and getting more picks. A first next year would be a steal for us, thats what I would be looking for in an ideal situation and somebody will be desperate enough to pay if we play our cards right. I would move back with the idea of getting taking the safety, or one of the guards to shore up the line.

  7. redskinscaio - Apr 29, 2015 at 8:42 AM

    2 days away…can’t wait

  8. redskinscaio - Apr 29, 2015 at 8:51 AM

    If I had a choice between a pro bowl pass rusher or a pro bowl guard, I’d draft the guard, all day and everyday, even on Sundays.

    • bangkokben - Apr 29, 2015 at 9:36 AM

      This is just one small reason why you’ll never get that opportunity.

      • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 29, 2015 at 9:43 AM

        Ben is right.

        There’s a reason the top pass rushers all get picked every year before the best guard in the draft.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Apr 29, 2015 at 9:50 AM

          Depends on the need. If you have decent pass rushers and a horrible Oline like we do you take the Guard.

        • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 29, 2015 at 12:05 PM

          Not if you’re a BPA guy, which McGlue is. Thank goodness.

          We’ve had draft-for-need guys here (like Vinnie C.). They were a disaster.

          The goal is to build a talented team for the long run, not constantly try to apply band-aids. Free agency is for band-aids.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Apr 29, 2015 at 12:54 PM

          Your not gonna pick BPA if you are stacked at that position. You take BPA according to need which I believe he has said

        • captblood3000 - Apr 29, 2015 at 2:09 PM

          Stacked at rush linebacker? You can’t use the #5 pick to upgrade Murphy? Last year the Redskins routinely would get other teams into 3rd and long and the other team would convert. Do you not see this as a big problem? If BPA at #5 is Fowler or Williams, is that not one happy coincidence?

          I disagree with your characterization of the Redskins’ offensive line as “horrible”. Is the difference between the Redskins’ offense and those of the Seahawks and the Patriots the offensive line? In fact, as Rich Tandler has pointed out repeatedly, the Redskins’ offensive line were middle of the pack as far as giving their quarterbacks time to throw. Yes, I would like to see the Redskins draft more offensive linemen. But two of them in any given year is about as many as you can take, otherwise, you’re churning offensive linemen and not getting as much talent as you should get.

          John Miller is 10 pounds lighter than Lauvao and Long, and as a 4th round prospect is a major reach at #69. He will almost certainly be available in the 4th round, and probably in the 5th round. You would take him in the 3rd? And he won’t start this year or next, which is a measure of success in drafting in the third round.

          Shaq Mason is a 5th round prospect. So he likely won’t be available in round 6. He played guard at Georgia Tech, so he will be a project at center. Mason is 10 pounds lighter than Tyler Larsen, who is already on the Redskins’ roster and started 4 years at Utah State. Larsen was a finalist for the 2013 Rimington Award (best collegiate center award). Yes, Larsen wasn’t drafted last year, but if that’s your argument, you know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

          Jamon Brown is a 7th round prospect if not a UDFA. You would take him in the 4th round? How is he an improvement over Moses, Compton, Nixon, Long, Lauvao, or LeRibeus? Or any linemen on their current roster.

          In short, none of these guys are upgrades. Two are reaches. There’s a good chance that you can get A. J. Cann at #69. Start there.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Apr 29, 2015 at 2:56 PM

          First off read what I wrote I didn’t say The Skins were stacked at Pass Rusher. I was using that as an example. Funny you mention the players I wrote won’t go in the round I have them but has them going in those rounds in their 7 round mock draft. Same with a couple other sites. You keep talking up short arm larsen who wasnt even Drafted and is such an after thought that he isn’t even mentioned in articles on CSNWashington .com as a player on the Oline. As far as Mason goes Mike Mayok likes him at Center where he held up great at the senior bowl playing that position

        • captblood3000 - Apr 29, 2015 at 5:01 PM

          “Depends on the need. If you have decent pass rushers and a horrible Oline like we do you take the Guard.”

          “Your not gonna pick BPA if you are stacked at that position.”

          This was nonsense, so you do well to disown it.

          Here’s something else you’ve missed. In the absence of publishing his Big Board, a mock draft is an analyst making up stuff. Which you can relate to. That’s why, for example, on Walter Football, Charlie Campbell’s mock drafts are better than Walter’s, because the Big Board is Charlie’s. You can check his rationale.

          John Miller is a reach at #92, which is his spot on that mock draft. You took him at #69. Go back and look at the players picked between #69 and #92. When you reach in the draft, you get less talent on your football team.

          As for Tyler Larsen, see Rich’s next post. Rich did not repeat Tariq’s mistake.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Apr 30, 2015 at 12:34 AM

          I put the guys in the rounds they would go in would I have liked to put them a round later yes. I didn’t becausee they wouldn’t be there. Pretty simple huh. I like these players thats my prerogative wether they be a mid round reach in the later part of the Draft or not. It still isn’t a big of reach as you stating Larsen going from Undrafted Free Agent to a 3rd rounder.

        • captblood3000 - Apr 30, 2015 at 10:21 AM

          These guys on are making stuff up. And you’re worse than they are, with your fetish for offensive linemen. You’re like foolishness squared.

          Show me where I equated Larsen with a third rounder. Show me an actual quote. I’ve said that Larsen should have been drafted on DAY 3. Do you understand what that means? Rich Tandler has said that he was surprised that Larsen wasn’t drafted. The Redskins won’t select Shaq Mason. I’ve given you 4 reasons why that’s so, leaving out the most important: they won’t have to use a draft pick to select another center prospect. I’m sorry that this all goes over your head.

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Apr 29, 2015 at 9:47 AM

        Coming from a guy who can’t tell that a Defense is in zone, that there is no pocket on a bootleg, and can’t tell a guy is on a delayed blitz and not being a spy. Try learning the game before criticizing others.

        • bangkokben - Apr 29, 2015 at 9:55 AM

          Clearly, you’ve never played the game. I was wrong about stepping up when i was recollecting the play in which Griffin got injured and forgot that it was a bootleg AND admitted that in our back an forth. But the other cr*p, that’s you making stuff up. Which when in comes to Griffin, you’re an expert at.

        • brucefan1 - Apr 29, 2015 at 10:34 AM

          Dontcha just love the way the NFL draft brings out the BEST is all of us! LOL

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Apr 29, 2015 at 10:36 AM

          Clearly you don’t know what you are watching your whole argument to begin with was him not stepping up in the pocket. He is clearly looking down field to go deep to Garcon. And here’s a hint if the whole Defense has their heads turned toward the QB then its zone.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Apr 29, 2015 at 10:38 AM

          Im just saying make sure you have your own ducks in a row before criticizing others.

      • redskinscaio - Apr 30, 2015 at 8:53 PM

        dawg, any team that I build would destroy anything you put together… And GUESS WHAT, WELCOME TO DC SHERFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahaha, tell me, you enjoy eating your words??? hahahaha, I’ve been promoting an offensive lineman for the fifth pick every day since the season ended last year. Just ask Rich. I bet he doesn’t even read my comments anymore, cause he know it’s going to be some pitch to go offensive line… WOOOOOHHHHHHH!!! Sherff baby!!!!! Best offensive lineman in the entire draft. A+!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • bangkokben - May 1, 2015 at 7:45 AM

          Blah. Blah. Blah. If Leonard Williams becomes what he is projected to be and Scherff becomes what he is projected to be. We’ll soon be calling McGloughan – McClueless. But go ahead bask in your glory. Good for you. Pat yourself on the back – if you can reach there. If you can’t, find someone who will.

        • redskinscaio - May 1, 2015 at 8:33 AM

          Oh I am and I will. Thanks HTTR

    • cmehustle - Apr 29, 2015 at 11:29 AM

      No one else would. Again, you guys are saying youre basically smarter than every GM and scout in the league. If you want to go by pay scale, tops in the league by average is QB. Followed by DEs, and then DTs. Lineman are fourth, but that is misleading because its mostly the Tackles. Guards and centers are rewarded at a much lower average salary, about as low as safeties who are ranked much lower. That tells you how NFL people respect a position, by the average money thats paid to them.

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Apr 29, 2015 at 11:49 AM

        With the Rookie pay scale you still wouldn’t be paying a lot for a Guard taken that high.

      • redskinscaio - Apr 30, 2015 at 8:48 PM

        yeah baby. Our boy in charge of the draft knows what he’s doing!! Welcome to DC Sherff. By the way, the highest paid player on the Skins is an offensive lineman. WOOOOOHHH!!!!!! Yes, I’m so happy McCloughan knows what he is doing..

        • skinsgame - Apr 30, 2015 at 11:32 PM

          I’m just glad he took who he rated the BPA and didn’t get caught in the nonsense of an interior lineman not warranting the #5 pick. Atta boy, Scot!

    • skinsgame - Apr 29, 2015 at 7:19 PM

      I’d take the guard twice. (If it were a Sunday)

  9. Ken - Apr 29, 2015 at 9:54 AM

    Rich I don’t like this rigid “can’t pick a G with a top 5 pick. I mean if Sherff merits serious consideration with the 8th pick, why not the 5th? To me the concerns on Fowler are the flip side of Beasly; had the power but concerns exist about having the speed for a top edge rusher. To me Sherff is the closest you have to a Perenial all-pro caliber player, other than Cooper .

    • cmehustle - Apr 29, 2015 at 10:55 AM

      Show me a pro bowl guard picked in the top five in the league. If you can get a pro bowl guard in the second round, or third round, or even later, you do that. Top five picks are for franchise altering picks.

      • Ken - Apr 29, 2015 at 11:08 AM

        Russ Grimm didn’t alter our franchise? Like I said, what is magical about #5? This is one of the most top-light in my memory.

        • cmehustle - Apr 29, 2015 at 11:13 AM


        • captblood3000 - Apr 29, 2015 at 2:12 PM

          The Redskins drafted Grimm in the 3rd round, not the 1st.

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Apr 29, 2015 at 11:31 AM

        Who in this Draft is Franchise altering?

        A Pro Bowl lineman that can stop the pass rush up ythe middle would sure alter our Franchise by giving our QBs time to throw before getting pressured, allowing more time for our receivers to get open, and open up gaping holes for the run game. Because right now with the Olinemen we have to the right of Williams we dont have any of that.

      • skinsgame - Apr 29, 2015 at 7:22 PM

        How about we show you 20 absolute busts taken in the top 5 that were not guards and then follow that with 20 All-Pro guards drafted outside of the top 5?

        • cmehustle - Apr 29, 2015 at 7:50 PM

          Or, just show me a pro bowl guard in the top five.

      • skinsgame - Apr 29, 2015 at 11:29 PM

        And that proves what? That what has been the norm can never be strayed from? There have been plenty of flops taken in the top 5 picks that weren’t guards. Eventually, that will not be the norm.

        • Ken - Apr 30, 2015 at 11:28 PM

          Exactly. And Captblood my point was if Grimm HAD been taken top 5 he would have been well worth it.

  10. renhoekk2 - Apr 29, 2015 at 10:25 AM

    The best prospect positions in this draft are OG, RB, and WR. That’s just the way this draft fell. The Skins don’t really have a pressing need at WR or RB. It can be argued a 3rd down back is a “need”, but it’s not one that you take in the first round of a draft. Same with OG. Definitely not in the top 20 picks anyway. Which is why I’m sure McCloughan is praying for a trade. They need an OT but for whatever reason this draft doesn’t have a bunch of stud OT. Some drafts there are OT challenging for the first overall pick. A lot of years there are three OT taken in the top 15. This year unfortunately there may not be one taken in the top 10. And the one everyone is talking about this year projects to OG in the NFL. Not a great year of draft prospects for the Redskins. Fowler and Marcus Peters are the only ones I see worth a top 5 pick for the Skins. And I don’t even like edge rushers. Even if Fowler isn’t a great sack guy he’s at least a great defensive football player. Finding a guy that turns out to be a great edge rusher (10+/yr) is like trying to find a franchise QB. Teams draft them because they need them, but usually end up disappointed. Marcus Peters could step in and start at CB day one for the Skins. He’s better than Breeland.

  11. brucefan1 - Apr 29, 2015 at 10:33 AM

    Oooohh…another day, ANOTHER trade scenario! Now its a trade with Atlanta. It makes it just SO hard to decide!

    Here’s my wild guess;
    Scott proclaims that he’d “love” to gather up TEN picks; so that means the store is open, right? (Or is he just covering his true intentions? So much subterfuge around the draft!)

    If his desire to collect picks is true, that trade with ATL does sound interesting! The Falcs must be jonesing for Fowler, Jr….right? What do they give to go from 9 up to 5? A TWO? More?! (You guys know better than I.) Whatever tho, it’d be prime picks.

    And if Scot does drop to 9, and is also true to his self-proclaimed “go BIG BIG BIG” mantra, then how can he not go for the biggest of the big — Peat— at that spot, and figure the Callahan can make an Pro Bowler out of him? Then he can shoot for that edge-rusher in the 2nd.

    My bottom line (seriously, the very BOTTOM line): Fowler — if the Skins think he’s a singular talent — and that there are NO comparable alternatives. Otherwise trade down, take a Peat and collect extra picks.

  12. mr.moneylover - Apr 29, 2015 at 10:59 AM

    I wouldnt rule out vic Beasley yet….Atlanta falcons call the redskins also to see if they can get the number 5 pick and thats according to albert beer who is at redskins park but if a deal gets done with the browns which is more likely to happen cause they have multiple picks in the first and fourth rounds I expect them to pick OL Brandon scherff with the 12th pick who they wanted before the combine even got here and he fits the description of big nasty and smart and thats what scot m. Looking for from his O-line this year

    • mr.moneylover - Apr 29, 2015 at 11:04 AM

      Either way scot m. Said hes look out and see whats the best ideal situation for the redskins…what more can this new gm do ….he’s smart he knows what hes doing

    • mr.moneylover - Apr 29, 2015 at 11:07 AM

      Browns own the 12th and the 19th and two fourth rounds picks when the draft really counts

    • austrianhttrfan - Apr 29, 2015 at 12:00 PM

      I don´t see Scherff at 12…I have a feeling he will go at 9…but hope to be wrong!

  13. Wesley Hunley - Apr 29, 2015 at 11:00 AM

    Would love us to trade with Atlanta. Our first for their first and third…Scherff in round one…Eli Harold in round 2…rb and secondary in round 3

  14. cmehustle - Apr 29, 2015 at 11:12 AM

    Dante Fowler needs to be the pick. If he is their at five (which he wont be because Jax will take him at 3) we need to take him. He will immediately improve our defense, and combined with Kerrigan?? Wow. If he’s not there we need to trade out and look at Collins. Either way I think its defense with the first pick, and most of our picks should go that route.

    • skinsgame - Apr 29, 2015 at 11:32 PM

      Collins? The one being investigated in his ex-girlfriends murder? No thanks.

  15. austrianhttrfan - Apr 29, 2015 at 11:58 AM

    I would like to know…with Williams…is he any how comparable to the draft class with Suh oer Mccoy? Does he possess similliar talent? Or less? Or more?

  16. ajbus1 - Apr 29, 2015 at 6:18 PM

    If we pick at 5, it’ll be Williams or Fowler. Depends on which one is there.

    • skinsgame - Apr 29, 2015 at 11:33 PM

      What if neither are there?

  17. skinsgame - Apr 30, 2015 at 11:09 PM

    Wow, it’s quiet now. The Redskins took who they thought was the BPA, regardless of position. I’m enjoying the Scot Mac era so far.

    • Ken - May 1, 2015 at 4:11 AM

      The Sherff pick tells me a lot. Obviously the draft philosophy for Scott is not pure BPA but factors in team need. Which for me is a good thing as long as he doesn’t reach far. Reaching a few spots means nothing in the long run. Also it is clear that he is looking to protect the biggest long term the Redskins have ever made, and probably will ever make in my lifetime. This was not just about improving the O line in the abstract but about taking a big step in giving RG a more reliable pocket. I know there are those who say our O line wasn’t that bad, or that a good QB will succede regardless. To that I say rubbish. There were too many plays last season where the interior line utterly failed both RG and Morris. It’s a complete no brainer to give your 3 1st RD pick/ 1 2nd RD pick asset a reliable pocket to help him regain his confidence and rhythm and improve his game, especially since this is considered a make or break year for him. All of that being said I’m still pretty sure if we hadn’t stocked up on DL in FA Williams would have been the pick. But I seriously doubt that 5 years from now we will regret this pick, unless Williams turns into another Bruce Smith or something.

      • skinsgame - May 1, 2015 at 7:07 AM

        I disagree. I think Scot simply took the player he had rated the best.

        • ajbus1 - May 1, 2015 at 2:56 PM

          I think so too. I’m glad I was wrong, I thought for sure it would be Williams or Fowler. Months ago I scoffed at the idea that Scherff wasn’t good value at 5, even if he fit best at guard. I’m glad McC has the nuts to take his highest rated player. Archives

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