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Need to Know: Who were Scot McCloughan’s best late-round picks?

Apr 25, 2015, 5:27 AM EDT


Here is what you need to know on this Saturday, April 25, five days before the Washington Redskins go on the clock at the NFL draft.

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A week from today it will be Day 3 of the NFL draft. This is the time where GM’s and scouting departments really earn their money, finding late-round contributors. While he was the GM in San Francisco for the 2005-2009 drafts he had some solid finds on Saturday, although he didn’t find any breakout gems. Let’s compare what McCloughan drafted in rounds 4-7 to who the Redskins took in the same rounds in the same drafts.

Best Players (by AV)

McCloughan: S Dashon Goldson (AV 42, 4th round, 2007), DE Parys Haralson (37, 5th, 2006)
Redskins: DL Kedric Golston (26, 6th, 2006), S Reed Doughty (22, 6th, 2006)

You had probably had heard of Goldson even before he came to the Redskins; he was the first-team All-Pro safety in 2012. Haralson, drafted in the fifth round in 2006, was still in the league last season, starting 12 games and picking up three sacks for the Saints. The 49ers got seven seasons, 68 starts, and 21.5 sacks from him. Golston is still on the Redskins’ roster, although he may be on the bubble after all of the free agent acquisitions on the defensive line.

Players with at least one season as a starter

McCloughan: 10
Redskins: 5

With three seasons as a starter Golston is the only player in this group for the Redskins who has more than one year as a starter to his credit. The 49ers have Goldson and Haralson with six, DB Tarrell Brown with four, and TE Delanie Walker and WR Josh Morgan with three each. One of Morgan’s seasons as a starter came after he signed a free agent contract with the Redskins.

Players with 75 or more games played

McCloughan: 10
Redskins: 2

Only Golston (125) and Doughty (107) have played at least 75 NFL games. Among the 49ers who have that many games under their belts is recently-signed Redskin Ricky Jean Francois.

Players who played in an NFL game in 2014:

McCloughan: 8
Redskins: 2

In addition to Goldson the only other Redskins player in this group who played a snap in 2014 was QB Jordan Palmer, a sixth-round pick in 2004. He mopped up in one game for the Titans last year. None of the 49ers in this group played in San Francisco last year but the fact that they are still active is rather impressive in itself.

Just to compare that last stat for McCloughan with some other teams around the league who have reputations for drafting well, three members of the Giants drafted on Saturday from 2005-2009 were still active, five from the Ravens are, 12 Packers, seven Patriots, eight Steelers, and four Seahawks.

If you want to see more details of the drafted players that we’re discussing here, go here for the 49ers and go here for the Redskins.


—It’s been 118 days since the Redskins played a game. It will be 141 days until they play another one.

Days until: 2015 NFL Draft 5; Redskins minicamp starts 52; Redskins training camp starts 96

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  1. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 25, 2015 at 7:32 AM

    Advantage: McGlue!

  2. hk2000 - Apr 25, 2015 at 8:56 AM

    Very interesting article, thanks Rich.
    I wonder how different the results would be if the players were swapped. The most underrated aspect of Redskins failures lies within and is intangible, hopefully Scott will change that.

    • skinsgame - Apr 25, 2015 at 9:55 AM

      Your statement has me on the edge of my seat here. What is the intangible aspect that is missing from the Redskins that leads to their failures?

      • hk2000 - Apr 25, 2015 at 10:17 AM

        That’s the thing about intangibles, you know it when you see it (Dysfunction, leaks, drama- both real and manufactured by the media- physical conditioning or lack thereof, inordinate number of injuries that far exceeds the league average- cannot be just a coincidence, should I go on?) Then again, if you don’t see it for yourself, I can’t help you.

        • cowboyhater - Apr 25, 2015 at 1:20 PM

          Well said hk2000, as for others responding to his comment, shut up…..stop confusing yourselves with his point. The player development you all speak of is the intangible. Read his point, and stop trying to make yourselves look smart.

        • Rich Tandler - Apr 25, 2015 at 2:29 PM

          What’s the league average for injuries? How much do the Redskins generally exceed that by?

          Sorry, but I see that thrown out all the time with zero evidence to back up. Willing to look if you have any.

        • ipitydafu - Apr 26, 2015 at 7:19 PM

          Hi Rich,

          Here is a link for something like what you asked for, however it doesn’t support the claims of hk2000.

          Interesting data though.

      • hk2000 - Apr 25, 2015 at 10:23 AM

        Oh and don’t forget about bad coaching- rookies don’t magically turn into great players just by being in the league for a number of years, they are coached into great players. The league history is replete with examples of players who were great in one system and turned into duds in another system or vice-versa- don’t ask me for examples, look it up.

        • brucefan1 - Apr 25, 2015 at 5:33 PM

          Bad coaching; is THAT an “intangible” too ?! (Or is someone gonna bite my head off for asking? LOL!)

      • troylok - Apr 25, 2015 at 10:35 AM

        I don’t think it is intangible. I think it comes down to coaching and player development. A team has to be committed to developing young players. Look at where we were last year. They had this kid Ryan Grant that was showing potential and developing. Strangely, they just stopped playing him and at the end of the year when none of the games mattered, there was an aging Santana Moss on the field when a younger player should have been given the snaps.

        I’ll give you another example. Look at the much maligned Baccarri Rambo. He definitely was torched a few times. I wanted to see him cut after that one game, but that was an emotional response and not how a team should be run. Washington cut him and a few weeks later he’s getting interceptions for the Bills. I don’t think he became a different player – he was just given a role in Buffalo that played to his strengths – and just as importantly, they gave him playing time.

        When a team drafts a player they should not only commit the draft pick. They need to commit the playing time (and the mistakes) in order for them to develop. No one ever got better sitting on the bench. I wonder about McGloughin’s picks and what Gruden will do with them. I see this is a potential source of friction because what happens when Gruden tries to stick with a veteran when the young player needs the playing time?

        • bangkokben - Apr 25, 2015 at 11:30 AM

          Coaching and player development are absolutely key. The right picks have to be made but then it’s up to the coaches and the player. As for your examples, I completely DISagree. Ryan Grant was given multiple opportunities early in the season and often when he was targeted the ball was intercepted. That may have not been Grant’s fault at all but his demise was opportunity for others and eventually Santana Moss. So Gruden is suppose to then play Grant against Philly at the end of the year instead of Moss for the future that Gruden may not have if he ended the season like Shanahan with a 0-8 and 3-13? Child Pluleeze. Bacari Rambo had one good game in a different uniform. I hope for him that he has many more but he was a huge mistake for the Redskins and a “how-to” in trying to get yourself fired. He was probably the second reason Shanahan got fired behind his toxic relationship with the starting quarterback. Think about it, if Shanahan successfully gets a quality veteran FS in 2013 the defense could’ve conceivably kept the team in games instead being the historic example of burnt toast. You don’t develop the young guys to lose games. Young guys earn their time in practice. ” No one ever got better sitting on the bench.” Aaron Rodgers and Tony Romo did. And there are countless examples of others but no one knows them. They just wonder, where did this guy come from? Stephen Davis or Just Forsett.

      • shermanp79 - Apr 26, 2015 at 10:32 AM

        Coaching and teaching is a big factor too.

    • Skulb - Apr 25, 2015 at 8:06 PM

      Both inangible and within? That sounds bad. Sort of reminds me of the Rumsfeld speech about known knowns, known unknowns and unknown unknowns back in the day. Maybe they should hire him to fix things.

  3. skinsgame - Apr 25, 2015 at 9:46 AM

    Reed Doughty. A commenter (Beep Beep) at WaPo listed him as his favorite Redskin a few years back. Everyone thought he was goofing or nuts, but he explained Reeds qualities in a way that won everyone over. Reed was never a breakout player, obviously, but he showed up and played hard. He had around 17 tons of heart and he never asked for attention or made excuses when he easily could have with his handicap. How many players can truly say that?

  4. kenlinkins - Apr 25, 2015 at 1:46 PM

    I knew it was bad, but not that bad. These results slow us Redskins fans who might have believed that the injury bug was mostly to blame for the poor talent levels but numbers like these prove other wise. Even Forest Gump’s mother knew “that you must put the past behind you” and that is just what I have done. Thursday should be interesting, I can not wait to see what the new GM has in store. IMO there is hope and maybe just maybe this is the new beginning we Redskins fans have been waiting for.

    • hk2000 - Apr 25, 2015 at 10:40 PM

      I’m genuinely excited as well, believe it or not!! I too believe the new GM will make a huge difference. Archives

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