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Need to Know: If the Redskins get an offer for Cousins should they trade him?

Apr 16, 2015, 5:23 AM EDT


Here is what you need to know on this Thursday, April 16, 14 days before the Washington Redskins go on the clock at the NFL draft.

Should the Redskins trade Cousins if they get an offer?

I heard an interesting report from Kevin Sheehan on ESPN 980 yesterday. He said that there is a belief around Redskins Park that the team could get as much as a third-round pick for backup quarterback Kirk Cousins.

That would represent an increase in his value. Last year it was widely reported that the Browns offered a fourth-round pick for Cousins. The Redskins apparently wanted no worse than a second for him. The Browns would not up their offer and/or the Redskins would not lower their demand so no deal was made.

It appears that supply and demand may be driving Cousins’ value up. Last year there were three quarterbacks taken who appear to be their teams’ future at the position (Blake Bortles, Teddy Bridgewater, and Derek Carr) and another one who could hold that status (Zach Mettenberger). Plus there was Johnny Manziel, taken in the first round by the team that didn’t want to pay a second for Cousins.

This year the supply is lean. Jameis Winston is a character question mark, Marcus Mariota is a scheme question mark, and beyond those two there are projects. If a team needs a quarterback who can start this year or one that can serve as the primary backup, the trade market is likely to be a the way to go.

So, after a season where he played well at times but got a reputation for being a turnover machine, and one who didn’t react well after those turnovers, the short supply of quarterbacks in the draft could drive up the value of Cousins even though he has just one year left on his contract.

The question is, should the Redskins trade him? Are they better off with a third-round pick, Robert Griffin III as the starter, Colt McCoy as the backup, and a rookie or other inexperienced player as the third-string QB or with the status quo?

The answer depends on if Scot McCloughan and Jay Gruden believe that Cousins is a viable long-term starter for the Redskins if for whatever reasons they decide to let Griffin walk at the end of the year. If they don’t think he can be the starter, or at least a viable stopgap until they can find a franchise quarterback, then they absolutely have to hang on to him. A third-round pick isn’t worth it if they think there’s a chance Cousins could be the starter if Griffin falters.

But remember that Gruden buried Cousins on the bench the last half of the season. Perhaps he doesn’t believe the Cousins would be a good alternative to Griffin. In that case they should trade him for whatever they can get for him.


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  1. sidepull - Apr 16, 2015 at 6:33 AM

    If they get rid of Cousins they will regret it. Wont ever admit it, but will egret it. All the searching for an NFL caliber QB and they have one right under their noses. Poor QB development is the downfall of this pair of QB’s here in D.C. If that is an accurate statement then Scot will be able to see that and he wont be traded, for some obscure draft pick. If Scot dumps him then hey I just hope the best for the kid.

    • ET - Apr 16, 2015 at 8:42 AM

      I tend to agree.

      Both Robert and Kirk still have a lot of potential. Let’s see if a real QB coach (and, hopefully, some additional time dissecting game film) will help them grow this year.

      • realfan82 - Apr 16, 2015 at 10:29 AM

        here here

    • wvredskins - Apr 16, 2015 at 4:01 PM

      I Agree. I say we keep Kirk because I am not at all convinced that RG3 is the answer. They would be dumb to get rid of him knowing that RG has alot to prove to potentially being the Fran QB. If it was my decision and I was going to trade one it would be RG who I would be trying to trade not Kirk for obvious reasons. 1. Kirk fits better in Jay Grudens offense and 2. RG is injury prone and has a long way to go to be a pocket passer.

  2. tralfaz10 - Apr 16, 2015 at 6:58 AM

    I say trade him if the price is right. Draft Garrett Grayson to take Cousins spot on the roster. Cousins has had his opportunity on more than one occasion. Last year Cousins could have cemented himself as the starter for the rest of the season but he turned the ball over too much. Trade him, get a 3-4 round pick and use it on Grayson. It is like getting Grayson for nothing.
    Start Robert, Colt as the backup, and Garrett to sit and learn. Best scenario IMO. HTTR!

    • skip36 - Apr 16, 2015 at 8:12 AM

      You can say the same for RG3 but now that we have Quarterback coach on the team let’s see what happens maybe things could change for the better for Cousins & RG3 even then we should still draft a QB or pick up one that was undrafted if those two don’t work out

  3. skinsgame - Apr 16, 2015 at 7:16 AM

    Cousins will likely be a very good QB one day. I’d prefer they hang onto him.

  4. nomorepccrap - Apr 16, 2015 at 7:31 AM

    They should trade Cousins for whatever they can get. Cousins was a Shanny pick and Dannyboy doesn’t like him. Cousins will never get a fair shot here. Never mind that DeSean said on national TV last year, when asked of the 3 who he’d like to receive from, “Kirk Cousins”.

    Let’s trade Kirk and RG3 to SanDiego for Phillip Rivers and draft a QB. We get at least 1 year from a Rivers and SanDiego can sell the crap out of RG3 jerseys.

    • Rich Tandler - Apr 16, 2015 at 7:35 AM

      That’s a completely unrealistic trade scenario.

      • realfan82 - Apr 16, 2015 at 10:30 AM

        I think that guy plays too much madden lol

        • ceetown22 - Apr 16, 2015 at 7:54 PM

          to say the least

    • brucefan1 - Apr 16, 2015 at 10:53 AM

      No More PC Crap posted: “Dannyboy doesn’t like him”

      Gotta admit that I IMMEDIATELY tune out lame comments like these that make baseless accusation with zero FACTS to support them. (Guess that’s kinda what makes ’em baseless, right?!)

      When you see stuff like that at the start, I figger nothing that comes afterward can have much value either. LOL!

  5. Thought of reason - Apr 16, 2015 at 7:52 AM

    It’s my opinion that most fans of the team over value the players on the roster. Same with cousins, he has some talent. But did any of you see the look in his eyes in the Giants game? He just doesn’t have the mental toughness to be a starter in this league.

  6. Stephfan - Apr 16, 2015 at 8:04 AM

    Funny how some of you wanna keep a turn over machine in cousins but don’t wanna keep a productive back in Morris? But they should get rid of cousins. I liked him as a back up and nothing more. I don’t care that he was the better pocket qb out of the two but when you throw interceptions that cost us countless games, you’ve got to go. Do I believe he deserves a chance yes I do but I knew when he came outta college he would be destined for a backup spot. Now I don’t hate cousins let me be clear, I just don’t see a reason to keep him if they plan on hitting the reset button at qb after this coming season. Might as well let griffin play it out and see what he has got. Trade cousins and see what you can get and then let McCoy ride the bench. From there you draft a qb next year and we do this again, unless griffin plays well and stays which I hope he does.

  7. cowboyhater - Apr 16, 2015 at 8:10 AM

    Looking at the scenario, I would think very hard at trading Cousins for that 3rd rnd pick, because this gives you value. He was taken in the 4th, so any traded pick before the 4th rnd would be worth the transaction. I would not deal him for another 4th because the skins have put in too much time in this kid to just let him go with no value. I say keep all 3 and let them fight it out in OTA’s/Training Camp. Let the best man win…and I’m only referring to Griffin, and Cousins. McCoy is just a career back up, or will be cut if they draft a young QB in the latter rnds.

    • redskinscaio - Apr 16, 2015 at 12:12 PM

      Cousins is in the last year of his contract, if he’s not traded, he will leave next year and the Redskins will get nothing out of him…

      • skinsgame - Apr 16, 2015 at 6:26 PM

        So, he can’t get the transition tag?

  8. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 16, 2015 at 8:15 AM

    Worth noting that Cousins is a free agent after this year.

    So unless he wins the starting job and we resign him, he’s likely leaving on his own anyways.

    Makes that 3rd rounder* sound a lot better, does it not?

    * Hypothetical

    • brucefan1 - Apr 16, 2015 at 11:01 AM

      Good point thunder.

      Can’t help but guess that the Skins brass are hoping that Griffin fulfills some of his 2012 promise and becomes the Skins long-term QB. (They seem ready to give him a very good chance to do so, no?)

      That would make Cap’n Kirk the odd man out, and would be tantamount to showing him the door after 2016 — with NOTHING in return.

    • skinsgame - Apr 16, 2015 at 6:27 PM

      They could transition or franchise tag him and he would go nowhere and put the chips back in the teams hands.

    • ceetown22 - Apr 16, 2015 at 8:30 PM

      It really does, and I like Cousins but realistically speaking/writing/thinking – I don’t think he stays even if we offer a good contract. So that being said and as much as I hate to say it… trade em if you can. 3rd rounder sounds real good, think of the kind of player you could possibly get in return…

      After our draft, I liked Cousins more coming out then rg3 – due to a couple reasons, namely rg’s hype machine was making me sick to my stomach, the fact that Cousins played in a pro style system at MState and I feel like in the 2011 Alamo Bowl that Terrance Ganaway did more than Robert Griffin although Griffin was good in that game, you could tell he was raw (tebow?), had speedy receivers and the Huskies pass def was like 116 out of 120 against the pass and like 107 against the run… and I don’t think they were ranked.

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Apr 17, 2015 at 12:32 AM

        Tebow can’t hit the Broad side of a Barn most of the time.

  9. renhoekk2 - Apr 16, 2015 at 9:11 AM

    The Redskins future QB is in next year’s draft. Doesn’t make me feel good to say that, but that is the reality. Anyone believing that drafting a RT is going to somehow make Griffin a better NFL QB is kidding themselves. Cousins will never get another legit chance unless Griffin gets hurt again. He had a very real chance to stake his claim to the job here but didn’t make it happen. He may turn out to be a decent QB in this league but he will never get the reps needed to progress with Griffin around. So that leaves the team with no viable QB going into next season. Unless Griffin completely transforms himself into a winning pocket QB over the off-season, McCloughan is going to want to find HIS guy next season. They should be drafting in the 10-15 range next season if they improve to 6 or 7 wins. They should be able to find one there. So I guess if they can get a 3rd rd pick or better yet a 2nd rd pick next season so they can move up for that QB if they want.

    • brucefan1 - Apr 16, 2015 at 11:07 AM

      Whoa, Ren!

      Don’t confuse “reality” with YOUR reality….or “the future” with YOUR vision of the future.

      We doubt you KNOW the future any more than the rest of us … Or DO you?! (If so, I’ve gotta couple questions I want to ask you! Haha)

      • renhoekk2 - Apr 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM

        I have little faith in Griffin developing. He’s going into his 4th season and is no better an NFL pocket QB today than when he was as a rookie. So what is going to suddenly change? Drafting a RT or OG is going to improve him? I doubt it. Working with the same QB coach he has for the last three years in the off-season? Hasn’t helped so far. Do I hope it happens so we don’t have to start all over again with the QB position? Absolutely. I don’t want to have to use a first rd pick on a QB again. But let’s be honest. Griffin and Cousins have had three years to prove they can be that guy. They haven’t done it. Not even close. So somehow one or both are going to become drastically different players since a couple of months ago? How? Especially since they haven’t actually been playing football. It’s all wishful thinking. And I won’t even bring McCoy into it.

        • bangkokben - Apr 16, 2015 at 1:05 PM

          So what is going to suddenly change? Nothing and nothing needs to to provide change.

          What does it take to turn the corner for NFL quarterbacks? Even before all of the spread quarterbacks coming out of college, it took time to develop as an NFL quarterback. TIME is what is needed. Now more time since their are additional things to learn for college QBs. Time in the same system. How much time? That is debatable but if you make the investment – make the investment.

          How did Drew Brees do it? How did Philip Rivers do it? TIME MAN!

          The next guy is going to need time too.

        • renhoekk2 - Apr 16, 2015 at 3:32 PM

          No team is going to wait 5 or 6 years for a QB to turn the corner. Nor should they. Coaching and GM jobs are on the line. If Griffin or Cousins doesn’t take a big step forward they should be gone. If we were talking about any other position other than QB the team would have moved on from both of them by now. There are a lot of fans calling for Amerson to be gone after two seasons. He doesn’t need time to develop in the NFL? The jury is already out on him. Cut him. Griffin is 5-15 running something other than the zone read option he ran at Baylor his rookie season. He’s not taken any steps forward in running an NFL pro offense. Listen to Gruden’s comments and Cooley’s pod cast after the TB game last season. They had to run day one training camp stuff for him to get through the game. Brees and Rivers showed signs they could do it after 3 seasons. That’s the difference.

        • Stephfan - Apr 16, 2015 at 3:44 PM

          San Fran waited 5 years for Alex smith to develop just to name a team for @ren

        • Stephfan - Apr 16, 2015 at 3:48 PM

          Also know knew Bree’s was gonna be the guy he was and don’t forget he got injuried. Because with the charges he was average. And let not forget rg3 has benn injuries for 2 of the years or should I say playing injuried so you can come pare griffin to them. To my Bree’s point what happened when they thought he was done? He left to a team that has a better line and offensive weapons and they won the Super Bowl

        • wvredskins - Apr 16, 2015 at 4:13 PM

          Well sometimes it takes a few years for a young QB to overcome the obstacles to be a Franchise QB. It is hard for any young QB to come in the NFL and ALWAYS dominate. There were times last year where Kirk looked like he could be the dominent guy. The Eagles game for instance he started out like 10 for 10 not missing a beat. he Moved this offense better than any other QB we had last year and that is a FACT! Now like the Giants game and the Titans game he lost his confidence some how but that is no difference in having RG trying to learn to be a pocket passer and sucking. I just wish Jay would have stuck with him to see if he could have pulled himself out of his slump. Im going out on record if we trade Kirk we will regret it in my opinion.

        • ceetown22 - Apr 16, 2015 at 8:32 PM

          and GB waited about 5 years on Rodgers

      • Skulb - Apr 17, 2015 at 12:16 AM

        Hey man, don`t disparage the power of precog football coaching!

    • bangkokben - Apr 16, 2015 at 11:15 AM

      You’re a real glass half full guy!

      Having said that, I don’t have much to quibble with your statements.
      1. Future QB is in next year’s draft.

      2. Anyone believing that drafting a RT is going to somehow make Griffin…
      Spot on here.

      3. Cousins will never get another legit chance unless Griffin gets hurt again.
      Why should he? He was drafted in the 4th round to be Griff”s back up.

      4. He (Cousins) had a very real chance to stake his claim to the job here but didn’t make it happen.
      So true and not just last year but also at the end of 2013.

      5. He (Cousins) may turn out to be a decent QB in this league but he will never get the reps needed…
      Same answer to point three. Not here anyway.

      6. So that leaves the team with no viable QB going into next season. Unless Griffin completely…
      Once again spot on and kudos to you for including it as a possibility. However possible is debatable but not out of the realm of reality.

      7. McCloughan is going to want to find HIS guy next season.
      Absolutely, assuming HIS guy doesn’t emerge from this year’s roster.

      8. They should be drafting in the 10-15 range next season if they improve to 6 or 7 wins.
      Maybe even earlier at 6 -10. Depends on their strength of schedule. (The Giants are picking 9th this year.) But I agree that 6 or 7 wins for this team is most likely scenario.

      9. They should be able to find one (QB) there.
      Yes they should but if Shanahan would’ve just played John Beck then we wouldn’t have needed to trade all those picks to move up the last time we were on this merry-go-round. Any free agents? Can we build with Bob? Must we continue to waste 1st round picks on quarterbacks?

      10. So I guess if they can get a 3rd rd pick or better yet a 2nd rd pick next season…
      Kirk Cousins trade value HAS ALWAYS been inflated. He never was worth one number two let alone two number twos. Why should we now believe he is worth a number three?!

      If anyone offers us anything close to a third for Cousins we would be nuts to not take it now.

      • Stephfan - Apr 16, 2015 at 11:39 AM

        So Ben are you saying beck was a good qb for us?

        • bangkokben - Apr 16, 2015 at 11:49 AM

          No. I’m saying that he was the worst and had we stuck with him we wouldn’t have won another game and drafted 2nd in the 2012 draft instead of trading the 5th pick along with everything else to pick 2nd.

        • Stephfan - Apr 16, 2015 at 11:52 AM

          Just checking

        • ceetown22 - Apr 16, 2015 at 8:36 PM

          Thanks for the clarification… I didn’t understand that line either.

      • renhoekk2 - Apr 16, 2015 at 12:23 PM

        I was just going off of Rich’s statement of a possible 3rd rounder for Cousins. The general rule is if you push that pick into a future year’s draft you inflate it by one round. So a 3rd in this year’s draft would become a 2nd rd pick in 2016.

        • bangkokben - Apr 16, 2015 at 12:32 PM

          I with you as to your reasoning and you’re right about future draft picks; I just don’t believe that Cousins value is or ever was what was suggested. I believe the Browns offered a 4th for him last year and I believe that a 4th this year or next (even though that is technically a 5th) is the best that we will get for him. I suspect that we will draft a QB somewhere in the draft and that we will forced to offload Cousins on the cheap – probably in training camp but those injuries to other starters will never happen and we will be on the short end because we’ve four quarterbacks and Cousins only has a year left on his contract.

      • wvredskins - Apr 16, 2015 at 4:25 PM

        Who cares what round he was drafted in. That is nonsense. There are no guarantees in the draft even if we do get an extra 3rd rd pick for cousins. AND You all might think you live in Reality thinking that the Redskins are going to be in “another losing season,” but I for one go into every season thinking that they can have a winning season.” Thats just my mentality I guess. Yeah we have alot of holes but so doesnt ALOT of teams. No body thought we would win in 2012 but we did. In any giving season ANY TEAM can have a winning record it just how the cards play out. Our defense should be improved especially in the back end, so I think there is a possiblilty but thats my opinion. I just hate seeing all of you say we are going to be a 4-12 team or a 6-10 team like you guys know! I know its your opinion but it just gets at me, but like I said thats just how I am.

  10. charge1 - Apr 16, 2015 at 10:35 AM

    Everyone has this horrible opinion on Cousins as a turnover machine and yes he had a lot but— we were always playing from behind and he had 10tds in limited action to RG3s 4. He also hardly ever got sacked. I listened to the radio broadcast yesterday and he said – skins can get a third for Cousins. For Rg3 the best is a “conditional” fourth,or fifth round pick. Apparently the league sees higher value in Cousins and so do I.

    • brucefan1 - Apr 16, 2015 at 11:14 AM

      You heard that on “the radio broadcast”… so we KNOW it’s gotta be TRUE!!

      (Not that it makes any more credible, but can you fill us in on which radio broadcast you listened to it on…or who the broadcaster was? Because of course you realize they each have their own agendas!)

      • alextwrs - Apr 16, 2015 at 11:35 AM

        The same radio broadcast that this piece is based on Dunce!
        “I heard an interesting report from Kevin Sheehan on ESPN 980 yesterday”. Thats Rich’s words dude. Read the article.

        • brucefan1 - Apr 16, 2015 at 4:14 PM

          Stay classy, alextwers!! (Cuz you absolutely stink of it. Haha)

          STILL doesn’t make the claim ANY more credible. LOL!

          And anyway, I usually like the comments better than the articles! Even yours!

        • Skulb - Apr 17, 2015 at 12:13 AM

          Typing “LOL” and “(haha)” in every sentence doesn`t do much for your credibility either brucefan1.

    • wvredskins - Apr 16, 2015 at 9:16 PM

      It dont matter what radio broadcast it was. Its fact that Cousins moves this offense better than RG3. Its fact that RG3 is not as fast as he once was and it is fact that he can not make the proper reads to be a pocket passer. Atleast thats how it was in 2013 and 2014. 2015? Last chance for Rg to show that he can actually be a pocket passer. If he fails you might never see RG3 start another game for any team. But right now Cousins shows more promise to me in my opinion.

  11. donald truax - Apr 16, 2015 at 10:45 AM

    No way

  12. kenlinkins - Apr 16, 2015 at 11:19 AM

    The only thing I know for sure is that the development of both RG3 and Cousins has been broken up due to injury, coaching changes and front office leadership. This starting and stopping has caused coaches, GM’s, players and fans to evaluate the last 3 years of QB play without the normal bedrock of stability granted most rookie QB’s. Fair or unfair, it is what has happened and that makes it twice as hard to gain a true read on the Redskins QB’s. IMO, Both RG3 and Cousins have about the same potential to becoming a good starter in the NFL right now and I wonder just how the new GM has rated both or if he feels that another 1/2 season is required to gain the data needed before making a move. My best guess is that he will allow them to continue the battle well into the season unless he gets a offer he can not allow to pass for one or the other. Maybe he is waiting to see if both can increase their worth in preseason games, but I would be shocked if the new GM can say he is 100% sure he has the answers at this point and already knows just what will happen at the QB position this year. They both have some talent but neither has be able to hold onto the number one job. Best guess: the new GM gives both a clean slate and allows the results this year to speak from themselves. GAME ON guys! let’s see what you got this time around!

    • bangkokben - Apr 16, 2015 at 12:46 PM

      “My best guess is that he will allow them to continue the battle well into the season unless he gets a(n) offer he cannot allow to pass for one or the other.”

      The problem with this logic is that it does nothing for the long-term future. This hedging of past bets doesn’t seem to be the typical modus operandi of General Managers let alone one that isn’t responsible for either pick. However, I’m inclined to agree with you if we pass in every round on all of the quarterbacks.

      Let me further explain how I disagree with the likelihood of your scenario. By signing McCoy before the draft and giving him a decent thank-you-for-beating-Dallas signing bonus it gives the impression that McCoy is on the team for 2015. Or it was a waste of $150,000. Three quarterbacks is a crowd. Four quarterbacks on a 53-man roster is an unreality. McCoy is to Gruden what Grossman was to Shanahan. The guy they can count on in the meeting rooms and perfect for the role of number two. The guy that can mentor a rookie quarterback or a stop-gap until the future is selected. Assuming my assessment of McCoy is correct the only way Cousins and Griffin battle it out is if McCloughan neglects the position in the draft.

      Considering that zero quarterbacks are on the roster for next year, it is almost negligent to not draft one to develop. Sure, you can draft one next year and if Gruden is still here you can bring back McCoy next year but I suspect that McCloughan has already made his decision and will try to off load one – most likely Cousins due to who hired McCloughan and the presumptive reason for hiring Gruden last year. Say what you will but the cost for drafting Griffin and the history of his rookie season make me think there won’t be any ‘battle.’

      • kenlinkins - Apr 16, 2015 at 3:55 PM

        While I agree with some of your points, I still wonder how many people really think that the new GM is ready to go “All In” on RG3, Cousins, McCoy or a drafted rookie this year BEFORE the Redskins even get to Training Camp? Most people in football believe the jury is still out on RG3 and Cousins, so is the new GM ready to make the call on which one is “the Guy” now? That’s a large bet to place so early and why I have said a few times that I would love to know just where the new GM is at on his thinking on the QB’s skill levels and odds to becoming a good NFL starter that can win games. We fans will not get another clue until the draft. You would have to be pretty sure of yourself to A. Draft a QB in round one, B. Trade Cousins C. Trade RG or sign him for 2016 D. Cut McCoy, E. Draft a project QB later in draft and keep 4 QB’s or F. Do nothing until 2016. My point is and was that with such a limited amount of data and all the other problems that can effect a QB here in DC, Can (or Will) the new GM be able to know today (or by the draft) which way to go. IMO the answer is no but maybe the new GM has a bigger pair and is willing to make that call sooner than I would. Time will tell, all I can do is hope for the best (and a hope that the new GM knows what he is doing).

        • bangkokben - Apr 17, 2015 at 9:51 AM

          I think that the new GM had evaluations on both QBs coming out of college and then watched the film of all of the games from last year with the scripts of the plays as well as the film of most if not all of the practices. He therefore wouldn’t necessarily need to see the two battle it out. Furthermore, when he is watching the game film he knows what play is called, who is the primary receiver, secondary receiver, other progressions, the protections, etc. Then he can project what is the best decision for this team now and in the future. He didn’t need to give Colt McCoy a contract prior to the draft but did.

  13. Tom - Apr 16, 2015 at 11:29 AM

    Keep Cousins!!
    I wanted RG to be great, but he is more interested in celebrity than being great.

    Many QB’s have over come interception problems in the past,
    and Cousins has shown he can run this ofense well. I think it is way more likely Cousins can improve his int. problem, than it is RG will improve his mechanics and spend the time watching tape to learn to read defenses better. If he really cared about improving in that area he would have already been a film room guy, and I’ve only heard the opposite.

    • Skulb - Apr 17, 2015 at 12:11 AM

      I agree 100%. Hopefully this is the thinking among the Redskins staff as well. RGIII is just too high maintenance, too injury prone and needs way too much work before he`ll be a viable starter. And Cousins is basically there already if he can sort the hopeless reactions to interceptions I think we witnessed last season. They got to him and he wasn`t able to clear his mind and reset like he should have. Interceptions happen to any QB. How you deal with them is what counts.

  14. alextwrs - Apr 16, 2015 at 11:40 AM

    The problem is our coaching staff cant determine who the best QB for this team is because its a business and Danny boy likes ticket sales rather than wins. Yes KC is the one they should be developing but Danny wont give up on his nest eggm, RG3. If Scott had enough control, then Gruden would not be here as well. No leadership skills. But once again its a business and he will not let Gruden go because he has an obliviously unattractive contract. His agent is a genius for getting him that much guaranteed.

    • Skulb - Apr 17, 2015 at 12:07 AM

      Gruden is there because he`s diplomatic and because he comes across as honest. The person they could find who was as different from Shanny as possible was bound to be chosen, even if he had never seen a football before. Whether that has value or not remains to be seen. But there`s no sense in constantly changing coaches and schemes either way, so I don`t believe Gruden will be going anywhere for at least two more seasons. Of course if he manages to go 0-16 next season that might change. But as long as he improves or stays pat this season he definitely stays.

  15. oaklandred - Apr 16, 2015 at 11:47 AM

    Kirk Cousins is capable of being an outstanding quarterback and if given a fair chance to prove it will show that I believe. The team has been trying to hold onto the idea that Robert Griffin will become worthy of a long term contract to justify the extraordinary investment in drafting him. It would be better to give Cousins fair chance to win the job and just see who plays best.

  16. redskinscaio - Apr 16, 2015 at 12:05 PM

    I thought trading Cousins this year was the plan all along. 3rd round pick! What are they waiting for. DO it already.

    • bangkokben - Apr 16, 2015 at 12:44 PM

      Here I agree with you. As for everything else you’re soooo wrong. Building soccer through the defense. Scoff. Scoff. Caio.

      • redskinscaio - Apr 16, 2015 at 7:08 PM

        Sure thing broseph. You ever coach a soccer team, you take the best player on the team and you put him as a center fullback. Soccer 101, you build through the back.

        • bangkokben - Apr 17, 2015 at 9:57 AM

          Still scoffing. Yes, that is the traditional way for a bunch of losers who like 1-0 matches and have problems with match fixing at the professional levels. Seria Ahhhhhhhh!

          Of course when Lionel Messi and Andres Iniesta were growing up there were better players on their teams.

  17. redskinscaio - Apr 16, 2015 at 12:14 PM

    Cousins needs to be traded. He’s on the last year of his contract. It’s GM 101. If you’re not going to re sign the guy, you trade him for something before he leaves free agency.

    And RGIII is twice the qb that Cousins is. You all are just blind.

    • sidepull - Apr 16, 2015 at 3:14 PM

      Ok but come on. RG3 has won 5 games in 2 years. He’s he winningest QB on a losing team. Big deal. You cant even get a 3rd round pick for him right now. You are what your record says you are. How much longer do you figure he has to keep going at this rate before you would say it is time for him to move on? I would say after this year he makes or breaks it as a Redskin.

      • redskinscaio - Apr 16, 2015 at 7:06 PM

        Are you serious? Every team in the NFL would trade a 3rd round pick for RGIII. Dude got rookie of the year. He’ll be fine. He’s got a cannon for an arm, he’s smart, he’s not a big party guy, who goes to the strip clubs and gets stabbed, he knows what he’s doing, the Skins invested a bunch of draft picks to trade for him, he just needs time and a decent offensive line and he’ll succeed.

    • Skulb - Apr 16, 2015 at 11:59 PM

      I have never disagreed more with anybody ever. RGIII has a plethora (That`s right Robert, I know words too) of issues which apparently makes him far away from being able to be a QB starter in the NFL. His reads are bad/slow and he routinely doesn`t throw the ball to open receivers, he fails at simple drop back schemes and he is obviously not able to lead the offense who seem to prefer both Cousins and McCoy to RGIII. Some people can handle fame and some people can`t. I think RGIII is of the last kind.
      By comparison Cousins played some magnificent football last season before his turnover swarm started and it seems to have made people forget just how good he really was there for a spat. His performance against Philadelphia was the best I have seen from a Redskins QB in ages.

      What is easier: teaching Robert Griffin the basics of football and playing QB or helping Kirk deal with his one issue of turnovers and how to deal with them? The answer is obvious. Ergo Cousins is the best QB. Like the Redskins offense I`d even prefer McCoy even though he throws like a girl. At least he has some spirit and can rally the offense. He also doesn`t play as if he`s the Messiah who doesn`t even have to try like certain others. Cousins for President, erm I mean QB!

      • redskinscaio - Apr 17, 2015 at 8:32 AM

        I am going to disagree with everything you just wrote, most of all your sexist comment about “throwing like a girl”, a comment like that should get you banned. A comment like that makes the rest of your drivel unreadable.

        • bangkokben - Apr 17, 2015 at 10:08 AM

          Sexist? Maybe. Archaic? For sure. If girls still weren’t allowed to play sports (by sexist culture – not by me) the metaphor may hold up but both of my daughter’s came out of the womb throwing like Stephen Strassburg. My son; like Carly Rae Jepson or any other celebrity throwing out the first pitch.

        • Skulb - Apr 18, 2015 at 6:52 AM

          Yes I agree. It`s important to not have a sense of humor about anything and cry like a girl for censorship immediately. i do the same thing all the time so you have full support from me.

  18. timwillhidetimwillhide - Apr 16, 2015 at 12:14 PM

    I’ve said this since 2012. Kirk Cousins is not a Good QB. Most of his passes are high or behind the WR or in front in the dirt, Each year he has had an alarming amount of his throws bouncing off the Defenders hands. Some of this could be coming from how Bad the Oline is at Pass Blocking which I’ve also bin saying. But for the most part he is inaccurate and I’m not quite sure if he can read the Defense. Multiple times I have seen him only reading one side of the field. This again could be do to the Horrible Oline. The accuracy issues I don’t feel can be Corrected. Rex Grossmen never got his corrected and Cousins reminds me of him. I would Trade him if we have the Opportunity. it can help us rebuild the Oline.

    • bangkokben - Apr 16, 2015 at 12:42 PM

      You’ve said a lot of things since 2012 and very few are accurate. You must have a page saved of your Cousins faults and RG3 pressure stats. I’ve read tens of times this year about how you remember Cousins hitting defenders in their hands but they didn’t hold onto it for interceptions. I don’t remember seeing that. Griffin’s QB rating when having 2.5 seconds or longer to throw 69.9. That from Keim the other day.

      Having said all that, I think Cousins should be traded and Griffin given another year but so the snot what? I doesn’t matter what i think only Scot M.

      • timwillhidetimwillhide - Apr 16, 2015 at 7:30 PM

        I dont remember RG3 having more than 2 seconds except while he was scrambling but people like you count that as time to throw and hes holding onto the ball. Ofcourse he ixs holding the ball while he is running away from pressure. The only reason you don’t remember the balls bouncing off defenders hands is because they dropped them. If they would have held on there wouldn’t be a discussion and Im surprised after all the picks he threw last year and at the end of 2013 there is one.

        • bangkokben - Apr 17, 2015 at 10:24 AM

          I know you don’t remember THREE having more than 2 seconds and some of that is scrambling but just because you don’t remember it doesn’t make it any less factual than me not remembering Cousins’ dropped I-N-Ts. It is not people like me, it is statistical evidence. Why would there be any debate on whether THREE holds on to the ball too long if he never even had two seconds to throw the ball? You’re telling me – someone who watched every single play sometimes twice – that any time Griffin had the ball more than 2 seconds that he was under pressure by the line and not by his own doing? The play he got injured against Jacksonville he had Desean Jackson open if he simply stepped up in the pocket and delivered yet he bounced out of the pocket with pressure he created and threw a great pass to Jackson while separating his ankle. I can live that if he doesn’t get injured. I can live with it because he’s a talent that given enough time should develop into a good quarterback but he is nowhere there and apologists like yourself do him a disservice by insisting on invisible boogie men.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Apr 17, 2015 at 12:45 PM

          Why would he step up in the pocket when it was a bootleg play with Jackson running a slant? You’d think a guy that watched all the plays twice would notice that before commenting. Also as long as the ball is in a QBs hands it is considered Time to Throw in the Stats whether he is scrambling or not. That’s why I personally feel Time till Pressure is a better stat to show what time a QB has.

  19. skins1970 - Apr 16, 2015 at 12:23 PM

    Trade KC for what ever a team offer for him.He will be a good backup in the NFL but that is it, he has proven he is not a fulltime starting QB and he is mentally soft.

    • ET - Apr 16, 2015 at 3:38 PM

      “Mentally soft”? That seems over-the-top, whether you like the kid or not.

      • brucefan1 - Apr 16, 2015 at 4:26 PM


        “Over the top” seems to be the predominate way of thinking by many here WHENEVER the QB topic comes up,right?!

        Gotta LUV it!!

        Never heard so many OPINIONS spouted as “absolute truths”, when there are no absolutes at this point in time — and won’t be until this thing actually plays out … at least into this season.

      • skins1970 - Apr 17, 2015 at 12:32 AM

        I’m just being honest Kirk Cousins lets the INTs get to him and it affects him. Peyton Manning threw alot of INTs when he was younger but we never saw him sulking or pouting like KC does.

  20. joe - Apr 16, 2015 at 7:40 PM

    Jon Gruden said it best when he said he would love to have Cousins as his QB if he was still coaching. Gruden benched Cousins because he seen that his offensive line was dismal. I would have done the same thing. They put McCoy in and what happened he got hurt. If I was running for my life and had no confidence in the guys blocking for me I would throw interceptions and make mistakes also. KEEP COUSINS HE IS THE FUTURE QB FOR THE REDSKINS. If they trade him you have 10 more years of sitting at home watching playoffs…

    • timwillhidetimwillhide - Apr 16, 2015 at 9:34 PM

      So Kirk Cousins can make mistakes because of the bad Oline but RG3 can’t?

      • Stephfan - Apr 16, 2015 at 10:08 PM

        Agreed I was wondering the same thing

    • skins1970 - Apr 17, 2015 at 12:35 AM

      Jon Gruden said the same thing about John Beck when ESPN broadcast the Redskins Vs Ravens during the 2011 preseason. You have to take anything that Gruden said about a QB with a grain of salt.

  21. redskinsredskinsredskinsredskin - Apr 17, 2015 at 9:02 AM

    Why would any team trade for a QB who proved to be bad AND is in the last year of his contract? I had hope for him myself but it’s just not happening…..Don’t get me wrong, I’m far from convinced RG is the future anymore. I just don’t think any QB on this team will be here next year unless it’s on the cheap.

  22. warpath1 - Apr 17, 2015 at 10:18 AM

    I would like to see how Kirk would do if he was named the starter and had the benefit of knowing that, through the offseason workouts. Only then, do i think you would be able to see his potential. Whether or not RGIII improves his play or not I dont think matters, I just dont think that with his style of play he will stay healthy and on the field at 100%. That being said, they better not wait til next draft to get another qb, they need to find one in this draft that could be ready next year.

  23. skins1970 - Apr 17, 2015 at 11:54 AM

    Kirk was a turnover machine when he was at Michigan State.

  24. murphsman - Apr 18, 2015 at 9:55 AM

    Did anyone else see that Seattle and Wilson are stuck on their contract negotiations? And as big an RGIII fan I am, I’ll admit Wilson is a better QB. So for as much talk there is about Griffin being bad, it’s the nature of the position now. Seattle isn’t willing to give Wilson a huge raise, SF isn’t happy with Kaep’s progress, and there’s all these issues with RG3. So all QBs having issues right now, not just ours

    • murphsman - Apr 18, 2015 at 11:58 AM

      Ok I guess I should say most, not all. Since Luck and Tannehill just got their fifth-year options picked up. But my point was it’s not just Washington having these problems. Archives

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