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Need to Know: Is Mariota talk a Redskins smokescreen aimed at RG3?

Apr 10, 2015, 5:01 AM EDT


Here is what you need to know on this Friday, April 10, 20 days before the Washington Redskins go on the clock at the NFL draft.

Is Mariota talk a smokescreen directed at RG3?

Albert Breer of the NFL Media reported yesterday that Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota will not visit the Redskins. In a subsequent Twitter conversation about the Redskins, Breer pointed out some reasons why Washington may still take Mariota if he is there

When Jay Gruden was hired as the offensive coordinator for the Bengals he lobbied for them to draft Dalton, who ended up starting every game in the three seasons Gruden was there. When Scot McCloughan took over personnel responsibility he took Smith, a spread QB at Utah, with his very first selection. So it doesn’t make sense to state with any degree of certainty that the two of them together would shy away from drafting a spread QB like Mariota if he is still on the board.

The truth that not a lot of people talk about is that the Redskins, and any other NFL team that might need a quarterback in this era, might not have much of a choice but to draft a quarterback from a spread offense. Most colleges are running some variation of the spread. It is not a trend that will go away any time soon. Pro style, dropback quarterbacks will be harder and harder to come by. Teams will have to learn to figure out how to identify spread quarterbacks who can make the conversion to the NFL and coach them up.

But do the Redskins need a quarterback or should they continue to try to develop Robert Griffin III? From what Breer, who has a good relationship with Gruden by all accounts, says they could go either way. If they think Mariota is a better alternative—and that’s not necessarily a given—they would strongly consider taking him.

Here’s another angle on this.

Robinson, NFL reporter for Yahoo! Sports, thinks that the talk of the Redskins taking Mariota is a smokescreen, but not just for the purpose of confusing other team for strategic purposes. They are floating the name of high-profile replacement in order to motivate Griffin.

I suggested this possibility when the story of the Redskins’ possible interest in Mariota surfaced via John Clayton about a month ago. Some players thrive on security while others are better motivated by fear. Griffin has had plenty of the former since the Redskins made him the second overall pick in 2012. Now perhaps they want to see how Griffin reacts when there is the possibility that he could be replaced by the quarterback who won the Heisman Trophy two years after he did.

The Mariota-to-Washington talk is probably going to wind up moot anyway. If the Titans don’t grab him with the second pick in the draft another team is likely to trade ahead of the Redskins and take him. That’s probably the optimal outcome for the Redskins, who will be able to take an edge rusher or another player at a position of need.

Part 2 of the optimal outcome here would be for Griffin to show great progress towards becoming a pocket passer and persuade Gruden and Scot McCloughan that he can be the long-term solution at quarterback. The last thing this organization needs is to get back on the quarterback carousel, where teams can literally spend decades.

But unless and until that happens, the coach and GM are going to have to consider any and all solutions at the most important position on the field.


—It’s been 102 days since the Redskins played a game. It will be about 157 days until they play another one.

Days until: Redskins offseason workouts start 10; 2015 NFL Draft 20; Redskins training camp starts 111

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  1. skinsgame - Apr 10, 2015 at 5:54 AM

    “That’s probably the optimal outcome for the Redskins, who will be able to take an edge rusher or another player at a position of need.”

    A case could literally be made for every position on the team as a need and the draft doesn’t sharp shoot “needs”, free agency does that. Griffin is evidence of how volatile rookies can be and how little you can count on “can’t miss” players in the draft. We drafted “need” with him and here we are, 3 seasons later, still talking about “need” at QB.

    If I were a praying man, I’d pray that Scot drafts whomever the best player available is on his board, including Marcus Mariota. The 2015 draft is for the 2017 roster.

    • sidepull - Apr 10, 2015 at 7:45 AM

      Well said. BPA. Interesting article. It has been decades! Hard to deal with irrelevancy of that magnitude when there are so many great player and fans tat have poured their heart and sole into supporting this team. Decades. That’s a dose of reality.

  2. tralfaz10 - Apr 10, 2015 at 7:40 AM

    Having a child tends to mature you in most cases. It is not a game…it is real life. You are responsible for a human life. Now he has to provide for that child. That brings more pressure than any media can bring. I expect big things from Robert this season. He just needs time to throw. HTTR!

    • skinsgame - Apr 10, 2015 at 8:50 AM

      It isn’t a lack of time to throw that is his problem. It just isn’t. We’ve been down that road before. I’m not saying he can’t improve and I hope he does. But he is out of excuses, including blaming the offensive line.

      • parrishmoss - Apr 10, 2015 at 1:36 PM

        It is a lack of time to throw. There have been more than an enough plays that you can point out in 2014 season where our QBs couldn’t get a chance to throw. Why do you think Gruden made up the playbook where Cousins,Rg3 and McCoy were throwing dink and dunk passes. The o-line couldn’t hold up enough to have our qbs throw long or medium passes.

        • skinsgame - Apr 10, 2015 at 3:23 PM

          You’re right. It’s everyone else with eyeballs that are wrong. Griffin is amazing. No doubt he will prove it again this year. Can’t wait!!

        • wvredskins - Apr 10, 2015 at 4:21 PM

          You are blind.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Apr 11, 2015 at 12:40 PM

          There is a bunch of people that saw the Oline collapse constantly of the snap of the ball. The difference is allot of people just blame the QB because they don’t understand the Oline has to pass block so the QB can throw and just think everything is a bad QB

        • skinsgame - Apr 11, 2015 at 7:24 PM

          Does everyone understand the QB has to identify the defense and get rid if the ball as well? How about RB’s? Are they involved in blocking? Which blocker is responsible for Robert not seeing wide open receivers?

    • teresa arfaoui - Apr 10, 2015 at 12:48 PM

      Thank you! Finally someone who supports rg3. Ive supported him since hes been in dc. Its a pity when people loved robert when he was winning,then kick him to the curb when hes down. I dont care what anyone says. I for one support and still believe in rg3. Hail to the Redskins.
      Teresa Arfaoui

      • Skulb - Apr 10, 2015 at 7:33 PM

        I don`t quite get why it is not allowed to look critically at the offense, including RGII, without being some sort of hater. The fact is that he was very slow to get rid of the ball, whatever the reasons were for that. My take is that he is a notorious overthinker when he tries to play in the pocket, and I am starting to doubt his ability to speed up his reads and trust his instincts as a passer.
        Meanwhile the O-line was mostly alright without exactly impressing anyone, while the sides were randomly set if they were set at all. Loads and loads of horrible blocking leading to sacks and blind side tackles on all three QBs. It was a team failure to develop rhythm that got worse and worse as the season progressed, excepting the Dallas game where it was decent. It`s perfectly legit to criticize all three QBs for it because they were part of the problem. You throw the ball and if people give you flak over that point out that you had 2 seconds from snap to get rid of the ball because of poor blocking. But you don`t stand there for five seconds until the sack becomes a mathematical certainty like RGIII did several times last season.
        Being supportive is one thing. Being a fawning apologetic of consistently poor performances quite another.

        • timwillhidetimwillhide - Apr 11, 2015 at 12:47 PM

          More times than not there was no time. Other times noone was open I didn’t once see 5 seconds of standing in the pocket. 1st season in a offense could possibly be a reason for holding the ball a little longer and not throwing anticipated throws People keep pointing to players who have bin in the same system for years and expect a guy in his first year in a new offense to play at the same level while learning that offense. Thats ridicules.

        • Skulb - Apr 11, 2015 at 7:10 PM

          Again the problem here is that you are basing it on what you see, which is often skewed one way or the other: If things go poorly you tend to exaggerate how badly it is going and if it`s going well you tend to lose sight of the things that aren`t so good.
          I`m trying to base my views on this on available stats rather than what I see. Because if you don`t do that you stare at the thing you think is the problem and ignore everything else, which is what I think is the real reason for the Redskins fan myth about the poor O-line.
          Judging by available stats it`s just not bad so not where the problem is. At least no exclusively.

  3. nomaan78 - Apr 10, 2015 at 7:49 AM

    RG3>Mariota Period.

    No way you draft Marota. RG3 is the same type of QB Mariota is. Spread QB with speed. RG3 has a better arm, and a faster 40. Mariota may have the same struglles RG3 does learning how to be a dropback QB. Coach Griffin up and spend your draft pick in getting a OLB, or the best WR available. As Garcon, adn Desean contracts are too high. Main target in draft should be OL. 2nd and 3rd round should be spent on OL.

    • hitmeimopen - Apr 10, 2015 at 9:30 AM

      Except that he looks to be much more durable. If our QB wasn’t constantly dinged up we’d still have plenty of confidence in him.

    • brucefan1 - Apr 10, 2015 at 10:10 AM

      Agreed, nomaan.

      I’m with those who say if you don’t like Griffins style, you won’t like Mariota’s either. And as hyped as MM is right now, RG3’s hyperbole was through the ROOF — as a talent AND a team savior — at this point in 2012!

      Unlike some who post here, I remember “Griffin-mania” (helk, I’m old enough to remember “BEATLE- mania!) and only Luck had the cache coming outta college of Griffin’s in the previous several years. His new mobile style was gonna set the NFL on its ear…revolutionize the pro game! He was gonna be the Redskin QB for a least a dozen years!!

      Now there are many who have decided that running QBs and heavy reliance on “gimmicks”(?) like the read-option are untenable –and dangerous — in the NFL after all. I can’t really see how the Redskin brain trust (or is it Gruden?) would feel much better with Marcus if they’ve already rejected Robert’s skill-set? I may be wrong, but it seems that only a team that hasn’t rejected the “RG3- type” QB would take a chance on a Mariota.

      • ET - Apr 10, 2015 at 11:28 AM

        True enough, the hype over Robert in 2012 was through the roof. And based on athleticism alone, Robert is clearly better than Mariota or Winston. The problem is Robert still hasn’t wrapped his head around the complexities of the pro game. That’s the issue Mariota will face as well.

  4. warpath1 - Apr 10, 2015 at 8:05 AM

    We have no quarterbacks under contract after this season, and the three that are here have not done anything to instill confidence in their ability. Otherwise, they would already be extended. If he is there, draft mariota, give a year on the bench to learn, and if not at this pick #5, then the next best at a later pick. We need to plan as though the three we have will continue to not impress, and if one does than we have insurance and trade bait. HTTR

    • bangkokben - Apr 10, 2015 at 4:41 PM

      We need to draft best player available period. So what if we don’t have a QB next year? We can then get a QB next year if it remains a need. Filling a need because it is a need is the best way to remain is this situation. This isn’t the 1990s where you can draft a guy at five and stash him on the bench for a year. Anyone drafted in the top five is expected to start day one regardless of position.

  5. obxskins - Apr 10, 2015 at 8:17 AM

    Scot will not bring in MM for motivation for my humble opinion..nobody would use the 5th pick for that!! The talk of taking may be motivation but where does that go if they don’t take MM..if RG3 needs motivation then we are in trouble anyway!

    • brucefan1 - Apr 10, 2015 at 9:11 AM

      That’s what I’ve been saying too obx. Here’s why;

      One; you would never waste a pick like that to motivate another player. If one come in the other goes out. Imho you do NOT keep an RG AND an MM on the same roster. What’s the point? It means you’ve totally given up on RG. Move him out!

      Two; what happens IF the team feels they do need to “un-spoil”(?) Griffin by threatening to draft Mariota — and then passes on him? Does Griffin tell himself they were just blowing smoke, and that his job was never in jeopardy anyway? Does he even REALLY feel that drafting MM is a way the team might go in the first place?! It’s all seems very sketchy to me.

      Three; I feel (hope?) that Griffin knows that his starting job is VERY tenuous — even without the presence of a high-level guy like Mariota, and that only by improved play will he maintain it (after all, he WAS benched, and eventually got the job back only due to Colt’s injury!). But IF(notice the BIG “if”? Hah) he can’t see that, and he NEEDS the threat of drafting MM to in order to “get it”, then I agree with you…the Redskins (and RG3) are in trouble any way!

  6. troylok - Apr 10, 2015 at 8:20 AM

    If Mariota is available at pick #5, Washington will trade down for multiple picks. That doesn’t mean they won’t take a QB in this draft; it just means Mariota isn’t the guy. I think the intriguing thing is what QB available in the lower rounds would pique their interest. Remember, McLoughin has been watching these players like a hawk while he was sitting on his bum at home and if there is a more NFL-pocket-passer-ready QB out there, he probably has their name circled on his target list.

    • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 10, 2015 at 11:28 AM

      It’s all moot, says I.

      Mariota most likely goes at 2.

      If for some reason the Titans don’t want him and can’t get a trade offer they like, the Jaguars or Raiders will. It’s easier to trade for the 3rd pick than the 2nd, and 4th rather than 3rd.

      I’ll fall off my dinosaur if Mariota is still there at 5.

  7. skip36 - Apr 10, 2015 at 8:52 AM

    I believe that McLoughin & Gruden want a QB that has the ability too adjust to any style offensive, if RG3 can pull that off we will be set, but motivation is what Gruden is trying too install in RG3, if that doesn’t happen in camp this year that’s it for him. I think they will draft a QB in the later rounds to coach him up, one that’s has the ability to do what they want & can be coach, & not one that’s self center

    • brucefan1 - Apr 10, 2015 at 9:18 AM

      “I think they will draft a QB in the later rounds to coach him up, one that’s has the ability to do what they want & can be coach, & not one that’s self center”

      I wonder how late in the rounds such a potential gem of QB would last, skip?! If a team REALLY feels they need one, they’d better invest pretty early (3-4-5?)…or all the good ones will be gone.

      • warpath1 - Apr 10, 2015 at 10:21 AM

        Keep in mind, even if rg does well this season, he may decide he doesn’t want to be a redskin anymore

        • brucefan1 - Apr 10, 2015 at 11:25 AM


          (Saying that always reminds me of that great exchange in “Inglourious Basterds”;

          Col. Hans Landa: [giddy] Oooh, that’s a bingo! Is that the way you say it? “That’s a bingo?”

          Lt. Aldo Raine: You just say “bingo.”

          Landa: Bingo! How fun! But, I digress…where were we?)

        • bangkokben - Apr 10, 2015 at 4:43 PM

          Doesn’t matter. There’s this thing called the franchise tag.

        • brucefan1 - Apr 10, 2015 at 6:38 PM

          True that, ben..the Franchise Tag is an option — but remember the tag for a QB is MAD steep! Griffin would hafta have done pretty dang great for the Skins to wanna use that on him!

          But just “noticeably” improved…or even “very” improved…maybe not so much.

      • skip36 - Apr 10, 2015 at 11:09 AM

        When I say late rounds I Don’t mean 5,6,7 I would think maybe 3rd or 4th and sprinkle in some offensive linemen to help protect the QB who ever tht might be, we probably should trade back to pick up more picks so we could do that, the offensive line has been our weakest problem ever since Synder bought the team, and any QB that we’ve had behind center has payed the price for that

        • deepball1 - Apr 10, 2015 at 11:22 AM

          I am confused skip36….didn’t the Skins “sprinkle in some offensive linemen” LAST year in the 3rd round. Who are these guys Moses and Long that are sitting on the bench and not able to “help protect the QB who ever tht might be”. AND…not only that…Josh Leribeus was also a 3rd round pick…and sitting on the bench.

          So you are asking the Redskins to make the same mistakes over and over and fill the line with 3rd and 4th round draft picks. If the offensive line is so important, if they want to protect the QB…how about drafting offensive linemen in the FIRST and SECOND rounds. That is where most pro bowl offensive linemen come from.

        • captblood3000 - Apr 10, 2015 at 12:40 PM

          Wow, deepball. Long and Moses are both busts? Yes, by dragging LeRibeus in the conversation, you’re saying that. Both were drafted to start in 2015, not 2014. Sorry you missed that.

        • skinsgame - Apr 11, 2015 at 7:54 AM

          Don’t forget, there has been a change at the positional coach there as well. Give Callahan a chance to work with those guys, including LeRib, before making a final call.

  8. shermanp79 - Apr 10, 2015 at 10:09 AM

    Hearing all this RG3 stuff, I went to look for a scouting report. All things we have heard? I haven’t heard anyone else but I have even mentioned his inability to avoid the sack. That he was stiff and lacked quickness or lateral agility. So it’s interesting to read.

    • bowlregard - Apr 10, 2015 at 5:38 PM

      Some of Robert’s inability to avoid the sacks have been due to injury. Especially late in the season, coming back from the ankle injury, he didn’t have his usual mobility. When before in such situations he would take off running for positive yards, after he would want to take off, then realize he could not take advantage of what ever opening he saw, and then take a sack.

      I wonder if he gets injured so much because he lifts weights too much. Or doesn’t do enough stretching.

      • ET - Apr 10, 2015 at 8:06 PM

        I have no evidence for this theory, but I’ve wondered whether the last strength coach was getting the lifting / stretching ratio wrong (in favor of lifting) and raising the likelihood of pulls and tears. The number of pectoral tears among Skins players in the past few years is disturbing by itself. And I’d imagine that the quality of the turf on the home field has contributed to some leg injuries.

        At any rate, I think the team made an oft-overlooked but significant upgrade at strength coach. There are also an increasing number of players (including Kerrigan and Hatcher) who’re trying to increase their flexibility through yoga, which I wholeheartedly endorse.

  9. c d - Apr 10, 2015 at 10:19 AM

    Some of you sports writers are funny. Why would skins leak out they gonna draft a player at #5, especially qb. They want to trade down, duh.

    • c d - Apr 10, 2015 at 10:29 AM

      Oh and I forgot. How bout not picking up rg3’s 16 million dollar option. Enough motivation, cause even rg3 knows they ain’t gonna pick that up.

      • brucefan1 - Apr 10, 2015 at 11:44 AM

        While that seemed highly probable a few months ago, c d, I hear that on further examination, it’s seen as more of a possibility now due the disclosure that the only way that contract is GUARANTEED is if Griffin is incapacitated by an injury. It CAN be terminated for any other reason (such as general crumminess in Griffin’s play).

        So it seems the Skins can hedge their bets a little by extending his contract for the time being, seeing if he has improved his play, as well as showing Griffin some love, which could be an incentive to return if does show out as the starter (Lotta IFs there, huh?) — as long he does not suffer a debilitating injury (which IS a reasonable concern re RG3!)

        But NOT picking the option, even on a flyer, would send up red flags for all concerned that Griffin’s days in the B&G are most probably numbered — by the choice of one side or the other.

        • c d - Apr 10, 2015 at 12:01 PM

          Listen. I actually like rg3. He takes way too much heat for every comment. If he even uses the word “I”, he gets ripped for it. He is a good kid. No issue off the field. However, you cannot pick up that option. If he gets hurt, you are on the hook for that salary towards the cap. He has to at least repeat his rookie year performance to stick around. It is too big of a gamble to give out that option.

        • brucefan1 - Apr 10, 2015 at 1:56 PM

          I DID listen c d … and I liked!

          Now this may be a stretch, but the Skins could conceivably get out from under that contract anytime, in camp even, if they don’t love what they’re seeing. But then that short amount of time could be enough for Rob to seriously break some part of himself, so your point’s well-taken.

          Dollarz to donutz tho…if they don’t give Griffin even small that benefit of the doubt on May 9, I think (strictly a guess tho, based on my view of human nature) that he will go toward any light that he sees elsewhere…especially — but not exclusively — if he SOMEHOW ends up having several options.

        • c d - Apr 10, 2015 at 2:56 PM

          I think we are on the same page, rg3 should get an opportunity. We just differ on the business part. I wish him well.

        • bangkokben - Apr 10, 2015 at 4:47 PM

          Nope. No option. Too much risk for the team if he get’s injured – which he has twice already. If he’s good or great there is the franchise tag.

        • bowlregard - Apr 10, 2015 at 5:41 PM

          And the franchise tag wouldn’t be much more than 16M.

        • brucefan1 - Apr 10, 2015 at 7:54 PM

          The QB tag is $18.5 million in 2105 to be exact, bowlregard.

          How much for 2016? Not sure — but the price does seem to go up about 10% a year recently;

          (21015)$18,544,000 (’14)$16,912,000 (’11)$14,896,000 (Wikipedia)

          That would be over $20 mill! Not chump change. LOL

        • shermanp79 - Apr 11, 2015 at 9:41 AM

          @brucefan1 They are not going to pay him 16m with the mess he has showed on the field. It’s more likely they don’t or they would have by now. Hey above I posted a RG3 Pre Draft report. Go read it and hear some of the issues. Things you questioned me on regarding my opinions. Ironically I have never read an RG3 scouting report prior to 2012 Draft, I had personal issues so missed a lot but it fits him and what Ive been saying. It’s a neutral article , believe was for Packers area paper.

  10. Nick smith - Apr 10, 2015 at 10:41 AM

    Guys we need so much and I Just got finished whatching a video and the Gm said he is open to trade the pick and if mariota is open you know every one is gonna want to trade picks give players and picks next year but that’s if mariota is open.. But I think we’re gonna take a DE we have done good this offseason don’t you think

    • brucefan1 - Apr 10, 2015 at 1:30 PM

      Yes….? ;^}

  11. deepball1 - Apr 10, 2015 at 11:13 AM

    here’s the problem with drafting the best available player: Who says that is the best player?

    Mel Kiper, Scott M, and Todd McSHAY all have different boards and they all will have a different best player at number 5. Mel’s best player at number 5 may go to a pro bowl in 2 years….while Scott M’s best player at number 5 may drop out of the league in 2 years. So it all comes back to how you evaluate players and the hit/miss ratio.

    If the safest player in the draft is this guard/tackle Brandon Scherff, perhaps Scott M should fill a position of need, take the best player available AT THAT POSITION, get an instant starter, and play safe all at the same time.

    • brucefan1 - Apr 10, 2015 at 12:00 PM

      Of course it goes without saying, db1, (I know…so why’m I saying it….right?! LOL) that pro GMs like Scott Mc could give a rat’s patoot what guys like Kiper or McShay — or any of the other amateurs — say about who should get drafted where.

      Professional GMs all have systems that they’ve made their bones with over their careers that they live and die with. That’s what’s gonna guide them when drafting. We just gotta hope that Scott’s system recognizes the gems as well as it has in the past, and leads him to pick for our ‘Skins the kind of players that helped turn the ‘Niners and the Seahawks into the kind of teams they’ve been the past few seasons!

      • bowlregard - Apr 10, 2015 at 5:46 PM

        I would like to see the NFL Network do a special getting Mike Mayhock go over his 2011 and 2012 selections, see where he projected them to go, and see how they did. Get Kiper and company do the same on ESPN. Some of these retired GMs can commentate. The media mocks are usually very similar to one another, so it might not be necessary to do too many. But it would be neat to see if the Rams should have taken Kiper’s advice, or were better off taking their own.

  12. deepball1 - Apr 10, 2015 at 11:31 AM

    as Forrest Gump said and I agree “Um not a very smart man”…………but I do know this. Talent evaluators aside, until the Redskins can stop switching offensive systems and schemes and coordinators and coaches….and until the Redskins stick with a QB for a couple of years as THE STARTER, and until that starter can stay healthy….the Redskins won’t win.

    The answer may be right in front of us. Kirk Cousins has been able to stay healthy. He has shown promise, But he has never been named the starter, and never been any more consistent that Robert. AND “Um not a very smart man”…but at some point they need to pick a quarterback and stop all these mind games. It is holding the team back and causing too much turmoil inside the locker room.

    • deepball1 - Apr 10, 2015 at 11:49 AM

      Here is the proof and the timeline:

      1) Shanahan/Donavan McNabb
      2) Shanahan/John Beck Rex Grossman
      3) Shanahan/RG3 …..READ OPTION
      5) Jay Gruden/RG3/COUSINS/COLT….Pocket passer mixed with Read Option
      6) ??????????

      Here is a simple explanation:

      New England Patriots/Tom Brady 12 years…same system…same coach..same starter….:
      GB Packers/ Aaron Rodgers 10 years…same system…same coach….same starter
      NO Saints/Drew Brees 9 years…same system…same coach…same starter
      Redskins…15 years….various coaches….various starters….various systems…..

      • brucefan1 - Apr 10, 2015 at 12:23 PM

        Many great points there…but the most important part of your post are the names of the QBs that you use as examples of stability; Brady, Rogers, Brees — HOFers all!

        If the Redskins could ever have drafted ANY of those, THEY would be one of those paragons of stability that yer comparing them to. Most ANY team would be! (Peyton is an example of that…leads a great Colt team for YEARS, then leaves to lead the Broncos to a SB!)

        Do the Skins have a “career” QB on their team right now? Prevailing wisdom sez “HECK NO!!” (No one like those mentioned above, to be sure). But I’ve said before that Eli Manning had one foot on a banana peel in NY early on, before he got his sea legs under him. Now HE’S creeping into that upper echelon of those mentioned above.

        I say give Griff and/or Kirk another chance — just ONE more, even. Imho, it’s too early to say that they are both complete washouts.

        As the great Jouquin Andujar once said; You can sum it up in ONE WORD….youneverknow! LOL

        • wvredskins - Apr 10, 2015 at 6:28 PM

          Makes you think if per say Norv Turner and company drafted Tom Brady in 2000. Maybe Norv Turner would be looked at as a Bill Belichek type of coach due to the fact we would have had a Future HOF QB in Tom Brady and still with us as the Head Coach. Def makes you think how different this organization would be if we did get a Tom Brady or a Peyton Manning.

      • skinsgame - Apr 10, 2015 at 4:15 PM

        Putting Griffin up there with “Experiment” is not exactly fair. Is it an experiment to expect an NFL QB to drop 3 steps and fire an accurate pass? It isn’t. And Griffin has managed to get himself injured as well. That’s what spurred change with him initially. Can’t stick with an oft injured player.

        • brucefan1 - Apr 10, 2015 at 6:48 PM

          Gotta admit that I love it when reasonable people can have a rational, troll-free debate about the problems and potential (or lack thereof!) of Robert Griffin III.

          We know that doesn’t always happen on these blogs, right?. LOL!


        • brucefan1 - Apr 10, 2015 at 7:25 PM

          Maaan…I always cringe when people say things like Griffin “gets himself injured”. Is there any other player in NFL history who was ever so accused of “getting himself injured”?! You tell me, cuz I’ve never heard of one.

          Griffin’s had three injuries that I know of; that concussion he took along the sidelines in ATL, the busted knee on the hit from Ngota — as RG was attempting to get DOWN (which probably never healed completely, from that game all thru 2013. But he never begged out, tho), and that dislocated ankle last season (was that a fluke, or is he inordinately fragile? Only time will tell)

          Three injuries in three years does send up red flags to be sure, but he seems healthy now and obsessed with getting himself bigger and stronger these days, so maybe things start to even out. Hey, its happened to lotsa players before!

        • Skulb - Apr 10, 2015 at 7:56 PM

          Precisely. He just makes it look soooo hard sometimes, and you feel as if you`re watching a turtle trying to learn to fly as you watch it on TV. “No sudden moves folks, it`ll fall down and hurt itself!” Again….

        • skinsgame - Apr 10, 2015 at 11:49 PM

          That play against the Jaguars last year, he wasn’t touched. He got himself hurt, absolutely. A player with the injury history he has is culpable for putting himself in bad positions.

  13. skip36 - Apr 10, 2015 at 11:42 AM

    Just like the old saying goes money talks and BS walks, since Luck has his 5th year option pick up by the Colts he’s shown what happens if you keep your mouth shut & be a team player & not someone who thinks he’s so special because he was drafted NO.1, you have to earn the respect of every player & coach on the team, I think that RG3 has gotten off his high horse & realize that he has to prove that he can be the QB the Redskins drafted, the fire might be back again we will see when camp starts HTTR

    • brucefan1 - Apr 10, 2015 at 12:49 PM

      Gotta disagree skip… Luck’s behavior vis a vis Griffin’s has little or nothing to do with their levels of success imho. That’s WAY easier to say than to PROVE.

      To me, it’s more that Luck has shown that he is EXACTLY what he was projected to be — a once in a GENERATION great quarterback, who was projected as such years before he entered the draft!

      I also think Luck could be the most ill-behaved player in the league and STILL be the future Hall Of Famer that he seems on track to be! (Players like fellow future HOFer N. Suh — yuck — bear that logic out, no?) Thus, I feel that his being a “good guy” does not dictate his success on the field.

      Obviously, Griffin has not fulfilled the promise of his off-the-charts rookie year. There are a lot of reasons that could be offered as to why (but as many of his critics confuse REASONS with EXCUSES — I won’t even go there!), but I continue to maintain that his behavior is VERY probably not one of them. I’ve heard too many of his teammates (and/or ex-teammates) refute those accusations to put a ton of stock in them. (But I guess I’m pretty much alone in that opinion, right?! Haha)

      • skip36 - Apr 10, 2015 at 1:08 PM

        Money still talks & BS walks

        • parrishmoss - Apr 10, 2015 at 1:59 PM

          Wtf are you talking about? lol

        • brucefan1 - Apr 10, 2015 at 2:01 PM


          Did I somehow miss a comment that discussed money — and walking BS?! LOL

      • Skulb - Apr 10, 2015 at 8:08 PM

        Words are cheap, and particularly in a locker room as beleaguered as the Skins`locker room last year. Look at some of the sacks RGIII took last year and the atrocious blocking going on around him, as well as the fact that nobody usually even bothered to help him up again. I never quite got the feeling that I was watching a team that cared much about their star QB. Once I even saw an opposing player jog over to help him up while the entire Redskins offense had their backs turned to him. If anything they looked as if they wouldn`t mind if he injured himself again.
        Something needs to click with this offense, whoever they start at QB, before the season starts. it doesn`t have to be wonderful and magical. But it really needs to be at least somewhat competent and a little consistent. I`d go with either QB as a starter, come hell or high water, just to get some stability. But that should be the guy least likely to have bits falling off while running across a lawn. I have a hard time trusting RGIII to last three games without injuring himself.

  14. ceetown22 - Apr 10, 2015 at 12:11 PM

    “The last thing this organization needs is to get back on the quarterback carousel, where teams can literally spend decades.”

    We have been on that carousel for decades… who was the last real QB we had? and don’t say Brad Johnson because he was here for like 2 seasons. I’d have to say Mark Rypien for like 4-5 years. Really the last franchise QB was probably Theisman from 74-85 (started 78-85).

  15. skip36 - Apr 10, 2015 at 1:17 PM

    If RG3 wants the money the BS has to stop, and get with the program, what ever that is now that the coach wants to make sure that the football is pass around more, instead of like last year one trick pony

    • brucefan1 - Apr 10, 2015 at 2:04 PM

      OHHHH!! THIS is the comment I missed earlier!

      Now I get it!


    • parrishmoss - Apr 10, 2015 at 2:04 PM

      What BS are you talking about? What has RG3 honestly done for you to consider him BSing. He’s not partying like Manziel, he’s not punching his wife on an elevator, he didn’t kill anyone, and he didn’t get charged for DUI.

      • brucefan1 - Apr 10, 2015 at 6:56 PM

        I hear dat!

      • Skulb - Apr 10, 2015 at 8:10 PM

        Well he did claim that God wanted him to play QB before being injured for two seasons straight. I guess God really does work in mysterious ways.

  16. skip36 - Apr 10, 2015 at 1:38 PM

    Yea I mention the play calling last year regarding the one trick pony that had three different QB’s what a joke. and about drafting offensive linemen, we never use them maybe now since we have a offensive line coach that made the Dallas line great we can use what we have drafted, instead of the ones who can’t protect the QB

  17. parrishmoss - Apr 10, 2015 at 2:10 PM

    I’m tired of the redskins playing hot potato with the QB position. Yes the QB play isn’t good. But the last time I checked, the qb doesn’t make up the whole team. We have so many holes in our team, having a good qb won’t meaning anything regardless. Just stick to building the defensive and offensive lines. Building them up will improve the team more than a good qb will. We just need RG3 or whoever to play decent while the defense and offensive line plays good or excellent. We could end p being 7-9 or 8-8 with a good defense.

  18. skip36 - Apr 10, 2015 at 2:52 PM

    yea 16mil for RG3 on his 5th year option that’s a lot of motivation for less talk & more production on the football field wouldn’t you think

  19. kenlinkins - Apr 10, 2015 at 4:20 PM

    Is all the talk about drafting Mariota a smokescreen to light a fire under RG3? Answer NO!, but it is part of a smokescreen to keep as many teams guessing about the status of the Redskins 5th pick in this years draft. IMO The only thing that is on the new GM’s mind is increasing the talent level of the Redskins roster. Even if RG3 is reading all the comments about what the new GM thinks about the talent level at QB, IMO it is not effecting him at all. RG3 (and Cousins / McCoy or anyone they draft as well) understand that their only concern is playing better in order to win the starting job on opening day. If any of them are thinking about anything else they are making a big mistake. IMO the new GM has already graded out all the players on the roster and has a plan A, B, C, D and maybe even E for draft day. He could trade for, Draft, or FA signing (fill in your BPA, position of greatest need or just a player you would love to see on the roster here) between now and opening day. Until we know for sure the new GM’s plan (and if he does his job correctly that will not happen until after the draft) for gaining better talent, the odds are about the same for everything to happen. And that will make this years draft day so much fun. Waiting to see the cards turned over and finding out just how good the new GM is at playing GM NFL poker!

    • kenlinkins - Apr 10, 2015 at 4:21 PM

      The only thing for sure right now is that if you write a story about the Redskins QB status, you will get a ton of comments!

      • brucefan1 - Apr 10, 2015 at 6:54 PM

        Haha! So true!

        We DO fall for it EVERY time, don’t we ken! LOL!

        (As well as perseverate about it a bit! I am SO guilty of that! Haha)

  20. skip36 - Apr 10, 2015 at 6:17 PM

    Have you ever heard where their’s smoke their’s fire, well it could happen with the Redskins on draft day, RG3 is not a lock at the QB position even thought he was named the starter, but for one thing is fore sure since we now have a GM who’s past record shows that he knows talent, and if that talent is on the team at QB that player will be here after this season and beyond

  21. skip36 - Apr 10, 2015 at 6:21 PM

    If the QB isn’t on the team they will draft one

    • brucefan1 - Apr 10, 2015 at 6:59 PM

      From your keyboard to god’s monitor, skip….but many teams have been saying that — some for MANY years!

      Seems its just not that easy…AT ALL! Archives

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