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Should the Redskins have been more patient in getting Goldson?

Apr 4, 2015, 1:00 PM EDT


The Redskins filled a need in trading for free safety Dashon Goldson and that’s certainly a plus for the team. However, the deal cost them a good chunk of their remaining salary cap space, bringing them down from $10 million left to spend to around $6.5 million. Part of that cost perhaps could have been avoided if Scot McCloughan had been a little more patient.

It was pretty well known that the Bucs had no intention of paying Goldson, who will turn 31 in September, the $8 million in salary and workout bonus that he was due in 2015. They were trying to trade him but if they were unable to do so they were going to cut him and eat the $4 million in guaranteed salary that was part of the free agent deal Goldson signed in 2013.

The Redskins came in and gave them something for Goldson even if it was only a swap of late-round 2016 draft picks. The Bucs will pay the $4 million in guaranteed salary so Washington isn’t on the hook for that.

However, Washington is still responsible for the remaining $4 million due Goldson this year. That’s a pretty hefty sum for a player who is coming off of two bad seasons. Last year was particularly awful for Goldson. In 14 games he had no interceptions and defensed just one pass.

Compare what the Redskins are paying Goldson to the one-year, $2 million deal that Tyvon Branch signed with the Chiefs or the one-year, $2.25 million contract Louis Delmas got to stay with the Chiefs. For that matter, Rahim Moore, the second-ranked free agent safety this offseason, got a three-year deal averaging $4 million per year.

On the open market, Goldson would have been offered a deal much closer to what Branch and Delmas got. All the Redskins had to do was wait for the Bucs to cut him.

How long would the Redskins have had to wait? Probably not long. The Bucs’ offseason workout program starts two weeks from Monday. With a $500,000 workout bonus on the line, you can be sure that Goldson would have been at the team facility bright and early. At that point the Bucs would have been taking a big risk. If Goldson had been injured during the voluntary workouts, the team could have been on the hook for his entire 2015 salary. It would have been a dumb risk for the Bucs organization to take considering the low return they got in the trade.

So if the Redskins had waited another two weeks or so it’s likely that Goldson would have been cut. Then they could have negotiated a deal with him that was much closer to his market value and saved themselves at least $2 million in cap space.

It needs to be noted that if Goldson had hit the open market there is no guarantee that the Redskins would have been able to sign him. They might have gone into their own offseason workouts without a legitimate free safety. So knowing that you have Goldson’s services secured is worth something. But is it worth $2 million or more?

Bottom line, it’s not a good contract considering what the player has done the last two seasons. And it can’t be a good deal for the team if it comes with a bad contract.

  1. troylok - Apr 4, 2015 at 1:24 PM

    Interesting point of view. Perhaps they realized they would have to offer Goldson some guarantees if they had to bid for his services on the open market. This way, if he doesn’t work out, they can just walk away. In this scenario, is a little insurance at free safety worth the extra money – if he does stick?

  2. unklewheez - Apr 4, 2015 at 1:26 PM

    I thinks its a good deal. More money than some would pay but it is better to get a guy the GM wants. We can get more cap space with some cuts. Low risk high reward.

  3. JB of Winchester - Apr 4, 2015 at 1:32 PM

    I feel it was a good decision. Most sports people including myself feel the defense he was in was the reason for the decline. He was good 2 years prior to that in the right system. If they would have waited, it lessens the possibility in landing him. When it pays off, the conversation will be different about the move. Plus with the secondary the skins have, this move is not bad at all.

  4. nomaan78 - Apr 4, 2015 at 1:36 PM

    Not a big deal. Im sure we will free up some more cap space by releasing Tyler Polumbus, Chris Chester. Dashon Goldson will get a chance to play with Chris Culliver, Deangelo Hall, Bashaud Breeland, David Amerson, and Jeron Johnson. Hopefully they can be a solid secondary. Even if Goldson is a one or two year band aid we can draft a safety next year as this safety class is weak. Phillip Thomas May get a chance to marinate and learn some more as well. Now we can focus on BPA in the 1st. Kevin White WR West Virginia ????

    • James McFullan - Apr 4, 2015 at 1:57 PM

      No we shouldn’t get a WR with the fifth pick, we still need an edge rusher and RT and our receiving corps is good enough with DJAX, Garçon, Reed, Roberts, and Paul

      • Rich Tandler - Apr 4, 2015 at 2:39 PM

        The draft is not about 2015. It’s about 2016 and beyond.

        • Kevin - Apr 4, 2015 at 4:19 PM

          Don’t you think a better Dline = more pressure from the outside because of 1 on 1 match ups?

      • ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© - Apr 4, 2015 at 4:07 PM

        I think the first four will be Winston, Mariota, Fowler, and Williams.

        So our best options are Kevin White or Vic Beasley*. Beasley could be great for us.

        McShay has him going at 13 to the Saints. The knock on Beasley is he’s a one-dimensional pass rusher and a tad small. The combine has everyone saying, “He’s a perfect 3-4 linebacker!” But he wasn’t asked to drop back in coverage in college. Will he be any good at it?

        White, on the other hand, has everything you want to be star at WR in the NFL.

        * I don’t hate Danny Shelton, I just think he’s on a slightly lower tier, prospect-wise. I see him going at 7 to Chicago, best case.

      • poesweet - Apr 4, 2015 at 4:31 PM

        We are not set at receiver we need a tall worthy receiver

      • O - Apr 6, 2015 at 10:02 AM

        The Giants didn’t need OBJ but look what happened after Cruz was sidelined for the season. WR isn’t the number need this season and a offensive lineman isn’t the best player at 5. Are you comfortable if DeSean Jackson and/or Pierre Garçon is hurt that Roberts and Grant will be your 1 and 2?

        • abanig - Apr 6, 2015 at 10:43 AM

          Exactly and we also need to think about getting the best player for our future. Garcon and DJax probably won’t be in DC 3 years from now, but Amari Cooper or Kevin White would be and they’d be our #1 WR then.

    • lpddawg - Apr 6, 2015 at 7:00 AM

      Tyler Polumbus is a free agent.

      • abanig - Apr 6, 2015 at 10:49 AM

        My money is that Kyle Shanhanan convinces the Falcons to sign him sometime before the Falcons training camp starts

  5. Thought of reason - Apr 4, 2015 at 1:40 PM

    Really good points made here,But a lot of opinions and assumptions mix in as well. What’s to say they cut him in two weeks? The upcoming draft? Offseason workouts? And how do we/you or any of us know what type of deal he would of been offered on the open market. Are the other safety’s former all pro ex Super Bowl starters? The point is he has played at a high level before. Even Revis looked bad in Tampa.

    I think getting him here early and in time for offseason workouts is important and key. And you get him before the draft. Will anything scot is doing here work? Who knows, but I can see a difference in how things are being done. And I like it.

    Sincerely THOR

  6. nathansworldorder - Apr 4, 2015 at 1:52 PM

    People keep saying that it was a good deal because Scott made it. But if Bruce Allen had made the exact same deal people would be right on board with everything you just said. They also would be complaining “there goes that Tampa connection again!”.

    • John Balascio - Apr 4, 2015 at 5:02 PM

      It is not a Tampa thing it was a 49rs thing lol

  7. kenlinkins - Apr 4, 2015 at 2:09 PM

    Rich, IMO TB would have had Goldson come in and do some light running and then read a book. There wouldn’t have been any more risk than him working out at home. It was going to cost TB $4 million either way, so they could have keep him hanging around (and out of the Redskins OTA’s, Mini Camp and part of Training Camp) just by doing nothing. I guess the Redskins could try and re-do his contract as none of the Redskins $4 million is “sure money”. He already has $4 million in his pocket from TB and he understands that the Market price for him is about $2.7 million, so maybe he signs a 2 year $5.5 million contract with $ 3 million of sure money in 2015 (that is if the Redskins still believes he is their starter after Mini Camp). My question is, how much money would the Redskins be on the hook for if he gets hurt before a new contract is signed (assumes that is the new GM’s plan).

    • Thought of reason - Apr 4, 2015 at 2:30 PM

      He’s already on the books for 4 million. I don’t think he hets cut but if he gets injured we still owe him 4 million.


      • murphsman - Apr 4, 2015 at 5:05 PM

        I like the signature, reason…

        • Thought of reason - Apr 4, 2015 at 6:11 PM

          No reason, just came to me in a dream. You know unconscious thoughts…..

      • darcrequiem - Apr 4, 2015 at 7:38 PM

        No, actually that’s not the case. Tampa Bay is paying the remaining guaranteed money on his contract (4 million dollars). If we cut him, we owe him nothing. He walks away with the 4 million Tampa paid him. The only thing we are on the hook for is the 2016 draft pick swap. Falling from the 6th to 7th round isn’t that big of a risk.

    • Rich Tandler - Apr 4, 2015 at 2:38 PM

      Nope. The CBA says that the player must have access to the facility and the full use of whatever the other players are using. They can’t make him go sit in a corner because they want to trade him. It’s not a big risk of getting injured but every year it happens and the older you are the bigger the risk the club is taking.

      • kenlinkins - Apr 4, 2015 at 3:44 PM

        Thanks for CBA info, I didn’t know that.

  8. coolhandluke242 - Apr 4, 2015 at 2:31 PM

    Get rid of more deadweight like Chester, Luviano, LeReius and the Redskins easily go back up past the 10 Mill cap mark and they also get rid of these paycheck thieves to boot. Make out better getting players from the draft than to keep these sorry clowns on the team.

    • Rich Tandler - Apr 4, 2015 at 2:34 PM

      The possibility that you could cut other players to save cap money doesn’t make Goldson’s bad contract any better. Not at all.

      • John Balascio - Apr 4, 2015 at 5:15 PM

        Now what is bad about his contract. The bucks 7th round pic next year will be 1st-3rd and the redskins #6 will be 20th-25th pic in which =the same quality of players. No loss! They will restructure his contract to about 2.5 mil Per year so a safety that was one of the best until he got to Tampa. No safety has ever been good there. I see a great pick up #HTTR.

        • Rich Tandler - Apr 4, 2015 at 5:18 PM

          So, you think McCloughan can wave a magic wand and give Golston a pay cut? Doesn’t work that way.

          if his contract does change, that makes it a better deal. But right now, which all we know for certain, it’s a $4 million salary for a below replacement-level player and that makes it a flawed deal.

          And teams drafting in the 20’s are ones that made the playoffs. Really?

          > > >

        • abanig - Apr 4, 2015 at 5:36 PM

          Tanard Jackson and Dexter Jackson were good safeties in Tampa Bay.

          John Lynch was a great safety in Tamapa bay

        • rtcwon - Apr 5, 2015 at 2:37 AM

          If he turns out as bad as Rich thinks, cut him (save the $4M) and start Johnson at free and Ihenacho at strong or my guy TRob at free.

          If he is a better option than either of those two, than the $2M extra to get him now was worth it.

          To me, the problem is if he returns to Pro Bowl form, they’re on the hook for the full $8M next year to keep him.

        • abanig - Apr 5, 2015 at 12:02 PM

          That’s what’s up! I’m all about the TRob!

          I’m sure Jeron Johnson will start at one of the safety positions. We still have Akeem Davis, Phillip Thomas & Duke Ihenacho.

          I’m thinking Ihenacho might be the odd man out now that we traded for Goldson, unless Goldson is so bad he’s cut.

  9. wvredskins - Apr 4, 2015 at 2:36 PM

    It Def seems that ole SM Likes his old players that he has ties with. I think it is a good pick up. Not sure if he is worth that money, only time will tell. They are saying in the reason of the decline is because they were running a tampa 2 and we will run more of a cover three. We will see. It is by far an upgrade from Clark so good pick up and keep em coming! We are rebuilding and I get that but he is putting a defense together that could win now. If the offense comes around we might be able to do something this year. RG3 GET YOUR $@*& together! HTTR

    • jim kubas - Apr 4, 2015 at 3:22 PM

      I agree.the defense is starting to look like they could win now.if offense could get back to 2012 status wed b n good shape . i remember not too long ago the defense was awesome and if d offenses couldv averaged 24 points we wouldv been n playoffs every yeah.if rg3 gets back on track.we could suprise dis year.

      • John Balascio - Apr 4, 2015 at 5:43 PM

        Find a good center move Cory l. back to guard where he has always been better and that alone will give about 2 more sec. for RG3 to find his receiver.

        • abanig - Apr 4, 2015 at 6:25 PM

          [K]ory was a top 10 center in the NFL last year. He did NOT give up a sack. Center is Kory’s natural position, he’d be a failure in more of a man power run blocking scheme at guard.

        • ET - Apr 4, 2015 at 8:52 PM

          Center is a fix-later position. Whether you like Licht or not, he did a compentent job there and there are simply too many other problem areas.

        • John Balascio - Apr 5, 2015 at 5:20 AM

          The o-line problem started in 2013 whenCory got moved there. He stabilized the right side at guard

        • George Bournelis - Apr 5, 2015 at 12:14 AM

          I think grooming leribeus (bigger, stronger) @ center is worth the shot, I think that is his best position especially in a power system

    • Serge Simoncini - Apr 5, 2015 at 11:20 AM

      Defense is coming around on paper. It does feel good to know we are getting players that have a chance to make a name or statement for themselves. Hungry players who want to play. I think what Scot is doing has been great. Everyone is on notice including RG that the GM has no ties to anyone and will not be affected if they don’t make it. This is why this is a make it or break it , NFL career for our QB . You either have it or you don’t . Four years you need to come in and take the bull by its horn and show your team and this league you can play this game, not get hurt and make smart decisions. RG has the ability to do this. It’s his career on the line, if he fails all the glamour, endorsements, all will be gone and his fame will be a back up at best.

  10. deepball1 - Apr 4, 2015 at 3:03 PM

    its the offseason for a team that won 7 games over the last TWO years. Finding little things to complain about so you can fill up an article…….well…that is to be expected a month away from the draft.

    No harm done Rich. Carry on……

    • wvredskins - Apr 4, 2015 at 3:18 PM

      Finding little things to complain about? lol. Im sorry but I enjoy being able to come to this site everyday reading something new about my beloved redskins. Yes we are a 7 win team in the past 2 years, but are in the right direction PERIOD. Dont be a Debbie Downer.

      • abanig - Apr 4, 2015 at 4:47 PM

        How many games did the Bucs with with Goldson as their FS?

        Goldson was a product of the talent around him when he played in San Fran. He only had one great year and 2 good ones in his 8 year career. He’s going to be 31 in September and he’s way overpaid even if the Bucs cover some of his remaining contract.

        I don’t think this was a good move.

        • Thought of reason - Apr 4, 2015 at 6:17 PM

          For the record I don’t think we need a great pick up to help the defense . Just a stop gap who won’t get beat like a drum all the time.

        • ET - Apr 4, 2015 at 9:01 PM

          Too much to pay? Yes. But the Skins had only raw prospects and unknown quantities available at FS. Calculated risk, with the possibility that Golston still has something left in the tank.

        • abanig - Apr 4, 2015 at 9:18 PM

          I’d rather watch a raw, young players play on a team that likley isn’t making the playoffs than to watch an over the hill, over paid 31 year old FS play. I’d rather see Thomas & Johnson be the skins safeties in 2015 as they develop than to watch one second of Dashon Johnson play and rack up defensless WR/15 yard penalties like Brandon Meriweather. I don’t see the Redskins winning more than 8 games with or w/o Goldson, so there’s no reason to have him as our starting FS.

          In order for the Redskins to get better in the future, the young players must play and develop.

        • bangkokben - Apr 5, 2015 at 3:43 PM


          I’m respectfully disagreeing with your 9:18PM post. (The I’d-rather-watch-Phillip-Thomas-develop-rant.)

          I would rather not see if this guy can develop on the fly after injuries delayed his career. Nope. I saw plenty watching the last line of defense chase Sidney Moncrief multiple times against the Colts. The ‘skins are playing several top notch QBs this year and I don’t want to see IF Thomas or some rookie FS go through the “Bacari Rambo this-is-how-we-get-coaches-fired” growing pains. If he is good enough to start, then he can beat out legitimate competition in Goldson. Rich makes good points about the contract and the ‘skins waiting – as I felt we could’ve with RJF. So the new GM isn’t perfect and this may very well be a Ryan Clark disaster but I suspect that Goldson is a legitimate placeholder for whomever Scot drafts to take this position because Thomas is not the answer. Not now at least. If he earns it, great. But it would irresponsible to build/upgrade the defense and then leave the last line of defense up to an unknown.

        • abanig - Apr 5, 2015 at 4:07 PM

          My plan would have been to put Thomas or Ihenacho at SS, put Jeron Johnson at FS.

          The way I look at it, the skins at best are a .500 football team this year.

          I’d rather be around .500 with 26 and 27 year old safeties and having them get playing time to see if they can be the future for one season than to be watching a 31 year old safety who’s best days were 3 to 5 years ago when he was in his mid 20s.

          I don’t see the Redksins or Goldson catching lightning in the bottle here when he’s 31 years old and hasn’t had a good season since he 27/28 and hasn’t had a great season since he was 25/26.

        • bangkokben - Apr 5, 2015 at 4:50 PM

          I understand your point of view. I just can’t abide. Look at this way, Thomas has shown zero in live action. Johnson has one start. Ihenacho is coming off getting cut and a serious injury. If you’re a coach and your job is on the line how can you flirt with three wins when you might get eight? The difference is huge as to whether you will be back or not. Let’s not forget that Phillip Thomas couldn’t beat out Ryan Clark. With Romo, Manning and Philly you have to have some level of confidence in your last line of defense. You also face, Brady, Foles, Brees, Newton, Ryan, and the 1st pick of the draft. Maybe Goldson improves with the ‘skins better pass rush. Don’t know but again since no one on the team has proven they should start in this league, you can’t roll the dice.

        • abanig - Apr 5, 2015 at 5:00 PM

          My main point is whether one of the other younger safeties start or Goldson, the team isn’t going to be any better or worse because of it.

        • bangkokben - Apr 5, 2015 at 6:04 PM

          I disagree. With the others at safety, the ceiling is maybe five wins and that is if the other parts of the team play above expectations. The floor is Joe Barry coaches his 2nd 0-16 team’s defense. Any scenario there’s a coaching change. With Goldson, the ceiling and the floor are both higher.

  11. bowlregard - Apr 4, 2015 at 3:24 PM

    Of course, SM may have caught wind that the Skins were not the only team interested in DG.

  12. abanig - Apr 4, 2015 at 4:44 PM

    I don’t like the trade and I don’t like the player, I wouldn’t want him even if he was a free agent. He plays the game just like Meriweather. Goldson is a headhunter, not a playmaker. The Redskins need a playmaker @ FS.

  13. sullivandeezoldeezol67 - Apr 4, 2015 at 4:51 PM

    Rich, you have to be throwing out an old strawman simp[y to generate some discussion. I can’t believe that you don’t see the merits of locking up a guy at a position of need with the other team picking up his guaranteed money and we’re left with only mostly the non-guaranateed stuff. This way we see what his motivation and performance is like during OTAs and minicamp. We wouldn’t have been able to do that by passively waiting for TB to get off the dime. Pretty smart move on the GM’s part.

  14. sullivandeezoldeezol67 - Apr 4, 2015 at 4:52 PM

    Rich, you have to be throwing out an old strawman simp[y to generate some discussion. I can’t believe that you don’t see the merits of locking up a guy at a position of need with the other team picking up his guaranteed money and we’re left with mostly the non-guaranateed stuff. This way we see what his motivation and performance is like during OTAs and minicamp. We wouldn’t have been able to do that by passively waiting for TB to get off the dime. Pretty smart move on the GM’s part.


    • Rich Tandler - Apr 4, 2015 at 5:10 PM

      I saw the merits. I noted the merits in the post. No straw men here. I’ll bet if Bruce had executed this deal the cap space would have been a big issue.

      And, again, the Bucs very likely would have let him go before the conditioning period started. If they didn’t, the same deal would be waiting for the Redskins.

      Not saying it’s a terrible deal, just that it’s flawed and maybe it didn’t need to be. That’s all.

      • jscx3 - Apr 4, 2015 at 5:47 PM

        I would rather have a flawed deal then a flawed secondary. They will have enough to sign their rookies. The other guys you mentioned, I live in California and have seen a lot of raider vs Chiefs games and Niner games. I would take what we got over those guys. He will be around for a year. Better then Clark. Has chemistry with one of his secondary mates. Bad scheme for him the last two years.If it doesn’t work he will be gone. Especially with the weak safety class coming up. I would rather have a former pro bowler then a rookie who they reached for. If he was a product of talent in Frisco hopefully they have enough to bring his level of play back up. I would call the deal descent, not good great or bad.

  15. danmorrall - Apr 4, 2015 at 4:57 PM

    Is he guaranteed $4m? How much are Skins on the hook if he gets cut? Or could he be restructured then? Anybody on the squad that can give him competition at FS? Is Ihanacho or Thomas in the mix?

  16. skinsgame - Apr 4, 2015 at 6:14 PM

    It’s a calculated risk. They have him, essentially, on a 1 year, $4 million deal that, if he rebounds, will be chump change. As long as the have Chester on the roster, it’s hard to quibble over a deal like this one.

  17. renhoekk2 - Apr 4, 2015 at 6:15 PM

    In the annals of deals done in the Snyder era, paying Dashon Goldson 1.5-2M more than maybe they would have had to in FA is hardly worth mentioning. Especially if it guaranteed landing him rather than risking him signing with someone else. If that is the microscope we’re going to put McCloughan under I think that is going to extremes to poke holes in the moves he’s making. And considering the options they were looking at for FS I don’t think anyone would be criticizing Allen if he did the same deal.

  18. jonevans511 - Apr 4, 2015 at 7:28 PM

    I think people are being a little hard on DG for his performance over the last 2 seasons. I’m not making ANY excuses for him because the fact his he didn’t play good football, so let’s get that out of the way. But safeties often times thrive in one scheme and struggle in another, and DG was/is not a Tampa 2 type safety. At all.

    He also got penalized more than many because of his physical play (a result of the rule changes if you ask me), which is concerning but not the end of the world. I’d rather have a spot foul than a 60 yard TD, if for no other reason than to stop the momentum from shifting. It’s amazing to me how much a big play can shift the entire tone of a game as compared to a penalty- even if it’s a penalty that shifts field position….

    One thing I’ve noticed from the Skins is our offense tends to feed off our D, so if we get burned on D badly our offense comes out and tries force things (which generally means a 3 & out or turnover). But if our D plays well and either gets a stop or forces the opposing team to work hard for every score, it gives our offense a much needed boost. Maybe I’m way off, just something I’ve noticed over the past couple years.

    • abanig - Apr 4, 2015 at 8:40 PM

      How do you explain his suckage in 2013 when the Bucs didn’t play a tampa 2?

      • skins1970 - Apr 5, 2015 at 3:13 PM

        Everyone who played for Tampa Bay in 2013 sucked including Darrelle Revis.

        • abanig - Apr 5, 2015 at 3:40 PM

          Yeah I don’t see how that’s an excuse for Goldson being a free agent bust. If he had played well, the team would have been better.

  19. goback2rfk - Apr 4, 2015 at 8:39 PM

    Another bone headed signing, a stupid move no other way to put it. Blew it.

    • abanig - Apr 5, 2015 at 3:41 PM

      Agreed trading for Goldson is a bonehead move but I like the other signings the skins made this offseason.

      • Thought of reason - Apr 5, 2015 at 3:54 PM

        I’m on a wait and see approach. Whose to say all the other players we signed are not the bonehead moves. We can always agree to disagree, but let’s just wait and see. And by the way Tampa’s record in 2013 was 4-12, that’s alot of suck for one guy in the secondary to change with good play.


  20. vtsquirm - Apr 4, 2015 at 9:37 PM

    Unless they were going to use the $4million to sign some other FAs it doesn’t matter…its not our money. It looks like most of the FA signings are done. We should have penty for draft picks too. Its a good move, $2 million isn’t a big deal

  21. kenlinkins - Apr 4, 2015 at 9:50 PM

    While I do like the signing (other than the $4 million price tag), we may have just seen the first crack in the new GM’s porker face. S.M. must think that TB didn’t use Goldson correctly. He played much more run support in TB. He had 81 tackles, 0 INT’s, and only a few pass def. Those are SS numbers, not FS numbers. I can only assume that the new GM didn’t see anyone in the draft that could start right away at FS and didn’t want to take a chance that Amerson or Hall could be moved to FS, so the best option was to trade for Goldson now even if it broke the new GM’s rules on over paying for Free Agents in their 30’s. Maybe the plan is to try and re-do Goldson’s contract, but there must be something in it for him (like “For Sure Money in 2015 and extra years) and that move would increase the risk for the Redskins. It would seem that maybe Rich is correct and waiting could have produced a better result if the Redskins were willing to pay him $4 million and give up about 10 draft value points to make the deal. The fact is that the Redskins could have offered $4 million anytime and won, so why now? It seems to me that the new GM folded when he had a winning hand!

    • brucefan1 - Apr 5, 2015 at 12:56 AM

      Hey Ken, I like that take!

      I’d be shocked if Scott didn’t feel that there was more to be gotten out of Dashon than he showed recently — if you knew what buttons to push. So he said let’s not play around…let’s go ahead and go for it!

      No doubt that Barry and Fewell must have agreed also. (Who knows, this may be Perry’s chance to re-establish those DB-coach bona fides that earned him that D-Cor job with the Giants in the first place.)

      • kenlinkins - Apr 5, 2015 at 11:12 AM

        Bruce, I would also look for improvement from some of the Safeties on the roster now if the new DC and DB coach use the standard SS/FS system and forget about the Combo SS/FS system used by Haslett. It is very hard to play that Combo coverage if you are a Safety and way too many times we had a SS trying to cover a TE or WR all over the field, a FS trying to tackle a RB’s who already had a head of stream up or SS & FS running all over the field trying to find their guy on play action. Preseason games are going to be fun to watch to see just what the new position coach have in mind.

  22. obxskins - Apr 5, 2015 at 8:16 AM

    My humble opinion, this was a good deal for us. There alot of ifs here so lets say..if he plays lights out, like he did with 49ers then 4 million a year we will pay him will be a good deal…time will tell…the system should be better for him here.he was like a fish out of water in Tampa..lastly I believe Scot will make some cuts and free up some more money. Thanks for insight Rich!

  23. burger55 - Apr 5, 2015 at 2:54 PM

    The Goldson move in itself is minor but the overpay points to the incompetent leadership of Bruce Allen.

    Bruce Allen’s five year Redskins record is 28-52 (.350). Good organizations have strong Presidents who produce measurable positive results. This point remains true even given the participation of folks like the Shanahans. The team President is ultimately responsible for 28-52.

    Bruce Allen should be fired.

    • Rich Tandler - Apr 5, 2015 at 4:21 PM

      While you have a good, larger point, Shanahan owns the record for the 4 years he would be lock, stock, and barrel. He had full control of all football matters. While maybe he could have used more help from above, that’s on him.

      And the Goldson move doesn’t happen with McCloughan’s stamp of approval. Period.

      • burger55 - Apr 5, 2015 at 5:54 PM

        Agree about Goldson and McCloughan, but that trade required Bruce Allen’s approval, also, since he is team President.

        Allen has had a hand in personnel all along, including under Shanahan. The McNabb trade was Allen’s idea and execution.

        As President Allen has a right to be involved in any aspect he wishes since the buck ultimately stops with him. He has parlayed this into a 28-52 record.

        • Rich Tandler - Apr 5, 2015 at 7:20 PM

          You can continue down this road if you’d like but you’re wrong.

          Allen has no say in personnel. If he objects to a move that McCloughan makes his recourse is to fire the GM. That is the sum total of his authority.

          And if you want to believe Shanahan, a confessed liar, that Allen orchestrated the McNabb trade, fine. But the deal would not have happened without Shanny signing off on it. He had total control of personnel.

          For all moves made in 2014, they’re all on Bruce. But at this point, firing Allen would not result in any more wins or any fewer losses.

        • abanig - Apr 5, 2015 at 7:50 PM

          Exactly!!! *clap, *clap, *clap

    • abanig - Apr 5, 2015 at 5:06 PM

      The same Bruce Allen that hired McCloughan?


      Allen hasn’t even gotten his chance to put his stamp on the team until he hired Gruden & McCloughan.

      Before that it was Shanahan’s show. Shanahan told Snyder he wanted Bruce Allen hired to help him with contracts and marketing.

      Last year’s roster was almost all Shanahan players from 2011-2013. It was still mostly Shanahan’s roster/starters that Allen & Gruden were working with.

      Finally, Allen hires the first GM this organization has had since 1999 and he should be fired?

      That makes no sense…

  24. skins1970 - Apr 5, 2015 at 3:16 PM

    I understand the concern but I think Dashon Goldson will be better for us then Tampa Bay because we now have better talent then Tampa Bay did last year surrounding him.

  25. mitch2538 - Apr 5, 2015 at 4:13 PM

    Hey Rich, I definitely see where you’re coming from… IMO they didn’t want to risk Goldson hitting the open market. FS was definitely a major area of need, and they weren’t satisfied with there other options.

    Hopefully, Goldson can convert back to his Pro-Bowl form from 2011 and 2012. I think playing in a Cover-3 will help, along with being reunited with his old teammate Culliver. So hopefully he can back up his words, and truly make the late Sean Taylor proud… just saying.

    Finally, for what it’s worth…FS’s ‘DaNorris Searcy, Ron Parker, Marcus Gilchrist, and Nate Allen’ all signed for around $6 million per season.

    • abanig - Apr 5, 2015 at 5:15 PM

      Quintin Demps, 8 ints over the last two seasons in 15 starts. He’s spent the majority of his career as a deep safety. He can return kick offs also.

      Dashon Goldson, 1 int in 27 starts over the last two seasons…


      • bosshog69 - Apr 5, 2015 at 11:45 PM

        He was playing for 1 of the worst pass rushing defenses last year. Not his fault. Put him on a defense with a dominant front 4 and see how he does. You might be surprised.

        • abanig - Apr 6, 2015 at 7:26 AM

          It’s not like the Giants pass defense was good last year and Demps still snagged 4 ints in 9 games started.

          So, your point doesnt hold any water.

          The fact is that Goldson is a shell of the player who played well for San Fran from 09-2012. He’s getting older now and his skills have diminished, that’s why I say we just traded for the equivalent of Brandon Meriweather and they play the same type of game.

          More of a head hunter than a player on the back end.

        • bosshog69 - Apr 6, 2015 at 8:22 AM

          I’ll take a shell of himself over any safety we’ve had the last 5 years including Merriweather. You basically got a former ALL-PRO safety not pro-bowl safety (I know you know the difference right?) 3 years removed playing in a system he didn’t fit into and on a bad team For nothing really. Redskins might take a safety in the middle rounds in the draft so he can sit and learn and you still have Phillip Thomas who can learn a thing or 2 from this guy. Don’t know why this would be a negative.

        • abanig - Apr 6, 2015 at 8:44 AM

          I’d take him for Meriweather and Clark’s salaries the past two seasons, not at the salary he’s getting.

          Did they play tampa 2 in 2013? Or did Lovie bring that back in 2014?

          My understanding was they didn’t play Tampa 2 in 2013 when they had Revis and they got rid of Revis because Lovie didn’t feel he needed to pay his large salary if they were playing Tampa 2 and Revis didn’t want to play in the Tampa 2 either, as Revis is more of a man to man corner.

  26. bosshog69 - Apr 5, 2015 at 11:43 PM

    Rich you usually have really good points but thinking that trading for Dashon Goldson was a bad deal is simply ridiculous. You’re taking a flyer on an ALL-PRO safety just 3 years ago. Was it his fault that the Bucs had the worst pass rushing defense in the league? I know you’re much smarter than that. As long as he doesn’t commit too many helmet to helmet penalties and isn’t suspended games for it I’m more than comfortable giving him basically $4 million on a show me 1 year deal. The Giants or Eagles would have over spent to get this guy and we would still be looking at trying to acquire a safety who knew what he was doing.

    • Rich Tandler - Apr 6, 2015 at 4:58 AM

      Never said it was a bad deal. It’s a bad contract. In all, it’s a flawed deal.

      • bosshog69 - Apr 6, 2015 at 7:06 AM

        Rich you said it was a bad contract basically for 1 year. Redskins are obligated to pay him supposedly $3.5 million. Would you risk losing him in free agency for a mere $1 million. I think thats a really bad risk, don’t you? Even if he’s average he’s light years better than any safety we’ve had here for many years. I don’t think you’re looking at it the right way. There really wasn’t an outstanding safety according to the gm in free agency. Maybe he’ll draft 1 that he really likes in the middle rounds. Thanks for your quick reponse.

  27. Dash - Apr 6, 2015 at 2:09 AM

    The team needed a FS…they got one the GM knew and paid/traded what the GM thought he is worth on a one year deal.
    I trust Scott Mc’s personnel judgement over a blogger every day all day.
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